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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Draft season, everybody.

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Speaker 2: John Schmalk joined as always by Tony Pauline from Sports Kita,

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Speaker 2: and as it is last week, we're joined this week

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Speaker 2: by friend of the program Dan Brugler, who is the

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Speaker 2: best draft analyst around for the athletic Dane. What's going on, man,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well? Always the fun joining you guys. Uh

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Speaker 3: spend a. This is such an interesting draft class. It

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Speaker 3: feels like I don't know, at least for me. It's

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Speaker 3: a little bit tougher to have some conviction about guys

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Speaker 3: at the top of this class, some of the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: So this is gonna be a really interesting draft class

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Speaker 3: as we go through the process, finishing the season, all

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Speaker 3: Star games combine, I feel like there's gonna be more

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Speaker 3: parody than we're used to, just because there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of differing opinions from team to team, evaluator to evaluator.

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Speaker 3: But that's gonna make this class a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: to talk about shock.

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Speaker 4: Minds me sort of reminds me sort of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: you know, with Trayvon Walker, Adon Hutchinson's Derek Stingley, Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was talking of a I Guana maybe

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Speaker 4: going first. It's sort of that similar situation.

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Speaker 3: Right in a quarterback class that was very much unsettled

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Speaker 3: up until the end. I remember that year, the week

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Speaker 3: gotta finish my final mock. What do I do with

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Speaker 3: these quarterbacks? And he's like, I don't know. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: touch him in the first round, but they're gonna go.

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Speaker 3: They always go, And of course that year they didn't

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Speaker 3: except for Kenny Pickett, who barely you know, went in

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Speaker 3: the first round, only quarterback in the first seventy four picks.

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Speaker 3: So this year is gonna be interesting because well, I

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Speaker 3: at least I think we're going to have a couple

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Speaker 3: of quarterbacks go in the top fifteen to twenty picks.

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Speaker 3: But uh yeah, we'll have to see the whole process

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Speaker 2: It was funny, Dan, I will revert back to the

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks in a second. When you brought the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two draft. And I only bring this up he is.

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Speaker 2: I get a lot of complaints from Giant fans about

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Speaker 2: Joe Shane's two picks in that draft, right, Keevon Thibodau

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Speaker 2: and Evan Neil, And I tell them, guys, go back

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Speaker 2: and actually look at the draft. You know, Sauce Gardner's

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Speaker 2: Garret Wilson. The rest of the first round is not

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Speaker 2: peppered with all these really good players at elite positions.

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Speaker 1: That's we're gonna look back at twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna say that first round was not

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Speaker 2: one of the better first rounds we've had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think too many people were killing the

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Speaker 3: Giants in the moment for those picks. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't think. I mean I could eat with Evan Neil

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Speaker 3: were things about their profile maybe that gave you a

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Speaker 3: they were just bums and said, Okay, these guys are

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Speaker 3: future buss Let's you know that these were bad picks.

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Speaker 3: You can understand the thinking of why they made those selections.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes doesn't work out, and you know the GM has

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to go to the quarterbacks now, Dan,

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Speaker 2: and this is I like to level set with people here,

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Speaker 2: and you kind of mentioned it in your in your

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Speaker 3: For me? Caleb, May and Daniels and those are the

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Speaker 3: top three. I don't think any of these quarterbacks come

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Speaker 3: For me, jj McCarthy, he was quarterback four for me

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Speaker 3: last year. He'd still be quarterback four if we combine

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Speaker 3: for me, I mean, I have cam Ward right now

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Speaker 3: You know, there's other quarterbacks that might be in this class.

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Speaker 3: at this point. And you know, we never use the

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Speaker 3: because teams look at these guys very differently. And that's

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Speaker 3: so true with this class, because we're gonna look from

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Speaker 3: these quarterbacks differently and have them stacked a lot differently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think John and I have talked about it.

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Speaker 4: With cam Wood. I think he improvises to a fault

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Speaker 4: improvising on Sundays he's done the past the past season,

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Speaker 4: although he's shown great improvement in his game. Let's stick

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Speaker 4: But my two poart question, where was Carson Beck rated

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Speaker 3: He was my top quarterback and I when you watch

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously no brock Bowers, Labconkey, but that offensive

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Speaker 3: some of those interceptions come in, some of the overthrows,

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Speaker 3: So I don't know that he's going to have a

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Speaker 3: the process. I think right now we're talking about him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with we do about the Georgia

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Speaker 4: playing well. Staying on Carson back, you say he's a

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Speaker 3: I'd be pretty shocked. I mean I and that's feedback

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I would. I have trouble selling him.

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Speaker 3: I can sell that he's a good quarterback, but I

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Speaker 3: not only going to be a starter for us, he's

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Speaker 3: playoffs and beyond. And I just can't get there with

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Speaker 3: Carson Beck with what he's put on film this year.

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Speaker 3: Too many turnover worthy plays, not enough ability to improvise

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Speaker 3: what a lot of it is. When things fall apart,

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Speaker 3: things don't go according to plan. You have to have

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Speaker 3: Caleb Jaden Daniels, Drake May. All three were exceptional with

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where Carson Beck there's some questions about,

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Speaker 3: all right, does you have enough of what it takes

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Speaker 3: I think that's a tough sell.

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Speaker 2: Last one on the quarterbacks for me, Dane, you have

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Speaker 2: Jillan Miro and Shaudor Sanders back to back at twenty

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Speaker 2: I think he's squeaky clean from like a leadership guy perspective. Right,

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Speaker 2: So if you like took Milroe's like personality and all

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Speaker 3: So okay for me, and look, I I'll start off

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Speaker 1: And neither do I.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, and I and you know, we there's a

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Speaker 3: he's putting him. When you're setting up shop eleven yards

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Speaker 4: You know, you you made it easy for me to

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter. I got a little bit of Travis Hunter fatigue.

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Speaker 4: It's Travis Hunter twenty four to seven. He is your

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Speaker 4: Is he that much far ahead of everyone else in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I don't think I would put him in

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett's going on because he's just that much better

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Speaker 3: both of what you're describing, because he is just a

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Speaker 3: Will Johnson's my number two player corner from Michigan, who

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Speaker 3: I really really like, but you know, he's not a

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Speaker 3: bit concerned. So Travis Hunter. When I did my top

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Speaker 3: He is the best player in this draft, and I

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Speaker 3: think if he strictly played receiver, I don't know that

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Speaker 3: it would be as easy. I think as a corner,

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Speaker 3: offensive plays. That's what makes him so special and different. Now,

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Speaker 3: not as clear cut that he's number one, because I

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Speaker 3: you know, I think he's He's still a top seven

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Speaker 2: You know, Dan, it's funny you bring that up because

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Speaker 2: not a criticism, it's just a fact based on the classes. Well, Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Abdua Carter great athletic traits, very much a work in

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Speaker 1: These are your second and third ranked players in the class.

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Speaker 2: How would you compare this to last year's class when

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Speaker 2: these guys at premium positions that maybe don't have as

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Speaker 2: How would you kind of insert this year's class into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you take if you combine the

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Speaker 3: So I mean, Caleb, Marvin Harrison, Junior, Neighbors, those are

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Speaker 3: Elie Neighbors would have been easy my number one overall

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Speaker 3: it's a class where I don't want to totally downplay

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Speaker 3: it and say like there's not talent. There's clearly talent

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Speaker 4: Years stay on the edge rusher theme. Jalen Walker is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, I agree. I mean he is a

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: into this class in the offseason, looking at last year,

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Speaker 2: I think we thought you could have a couple top

432
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Speaker 2: ten offensive tackles in this class, but it hasn't really

433
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Speaker 2: played out that way. Will Campbell, you know, he's been

434
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Speaker 2: a little inconsistent. I know some people and Tony want

435
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Speaker 2: to ask you about this. I'll kind of preempt him here.

436
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Speaker 2: Maybe think he can slide into guard. Calvin Banks had

437
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Speaker 2: some issues with some speed rushers this year. Is he

438
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Speaker 2: going to be a guard? How do you think the

439
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Speaker 2: league is looking at this offensive tackle class and how

440
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Speaker 2: do you see it in terms of where the guys

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Speaker 2: might go and how many of these guys might actually

442
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Speaker 2: even stick at offensive tackle.

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Speaker 3: We were spoiled last year, right with all these offensive tackles.

444
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Speaker 3: I mean, if Amarus Mims were in this draft class,

445
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Speaker 3: he go top five. You know, a guy with that

446
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Speaker 3: type of those traits and that ability this year. Like

447
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Speaker 3: I mean, I like Will Campbell a lot. I don't

448
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Speaker 3: I don't know anybody that doesn't like Will Campbell. But

449
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Speaker 3: is he a true top ten left tackle? Some teams

450
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Speaker 3: will I think have them inside as a guard or

451
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Speaker 3: a center. You know, talking to scouts, they asking, you know,

452
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Speaker 3: what is his arm length gonna be? They say right

453
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Speaker 3: at thirty three or maybe a little bit below. And

454
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Speaker 3: so that'll be an issue for some teams when you

455
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Speaker 3: know they have strict thresholds for what they want for

456
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Speaker 3: their length of their offensive tackles. But you know, Will Campbell,

457
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Speaker 3: we have to remember too, is twenty years old. You know,

458
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Speaker 3: he started right away at left tackles, a true freshman

459
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Speaker 3: for LSU. He's been doing the last three years. His

460
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Speaker 3: recovery balance is really impressive. Reminds me a little bit

461
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Speaker 3: of Jake Matthews in terms of the body type and

462
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Speaker 3: the fluidity that he brings. But he's also a stronger version.

463
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Speaker 3: He's also a better finisher than what we've seen from

464
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Speaker 3: Jake Matthews. So yeah, it hasn't been all perfect, you know,

465
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Speaker 3: we watch him against the Ole miss you watch them

466
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Speaker 3: against Landon Jackson got him, or the Arkansas defensive end

467
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: got him a few times. The great Texas A and

468
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Speaker 3: M defensive line gave that unit trouble. So Will Campbell

469
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Speaker 3: to me, is still the best offensive lineman that I

470
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Speaker 3: have watched in this class so far, but it's hard

471
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Speaker 3: to say with conviction that he's a true top ten

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Speaker 3: guy compared to some of the tackles we've seen go

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Speaker 3: early in recent years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyle Conord also had a field day on him

478
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Speaker 4: that South Carolina game. So let me ask you, the

479
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Speaker 4: cor concern about Will Campbell at tackle is specifically armline.

480
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's part of it. I don't think that

481
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 3: you know, you don't watch the tape and it just

482
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: is obvious where you know teams are winning with length.

483
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: I mean we saw it when I was watching and

484
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Speaker 3: studying Will Campbell over the summer. Dallas Turner on the

485
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: Alabama tape would get him a few times. He can

486
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Speaker 3: do a better job compensating for that lack of length

487
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Speaker 3: his anchor at times because he is a taller guy,

488
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Speaker 3: even though he's not the arm length isn't great. He

489
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Speaker 3: is over sixty six, and sometimes he gets a little

490
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Speaker 3: upright that anchor will be tested by power. There's a

491
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Speaker 3: little bit of stiffness in his lower half, and you

492
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Speaker 3: see that against inside moves more flags than you want

493
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Speaker 3: to see for a guy being talked about as a

494
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Speaker 3: as a top half, a round one player. So I

495
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Speaker 3: mean again, he's a good example of the players in

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Speaker 3: this class where you can see the talent, you can

497
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Speaker 3: see how it there's a path to him being a

498
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Speaker 3: really good NFL starter, But right now you can poke

499
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Speaker 3: holes in his game.

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Speaker 4: Let me let me flip that around. Josh Connor Lee

501
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Speaker 4: of Oregon, Calvin Banks at Texas. Both guys are gonna

502
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Speaker 4: be under six foot four. Both guys have shown a

503
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Speaker 4: lot of ability at left tackle, but a lot of ability,

504
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Speaker 4: you know, playing blocking emotion on the second level, even

505
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Speaker 4: the third level. What happens if I all those guys

506
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Speaker 4: coming with massive armlets three thirty four and a half

507
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Speaker 4: something like that, you think they're gonna get consideration at

508
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Speaker 4: left tackle.

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Speaker 3: For me, Kelvin Banks is the way he plays. His

510
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 3: play style is just he looks like a guard to me,

511
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Speaker 3: and you know he's a good player, but you know

512
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: he's on the ground too much. You would throw on

513
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Speaker 3: the Michigan tape, he's on the ground against on the

514
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: Georgia tape, he's too on the ground too much. But

515
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Speaker 3: with Josh Connory, I think he because he has the

516
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Speaker 3: feet to be outside at left tackle. His in the

517
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: hands are all over the place. Needs to continue getting stronger.

518
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: But when you have the feet that he has, and

519
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: then his recovery movements are basically a saving grace because

520
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: he will misfire his hands. You know, he will be

521
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, trying to play catch up, but his recovery steps,

522
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: his recovery body control are exceptional and that's what really

523
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Speaker 3: separates him from some of these other guys. So he's,

524
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Speaker 3: you know, a third year junior. He's still young, still learning,

525
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: still growing, but he has some tools that you can

526
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Speaker 3: point to and say, all right, that will work at

527
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Speaker 3: the next level and help him survive as the rest

528
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: hopefully catches up when our guys can coach him up.

529
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Speaker 3: So I think Connor and that's why Connory is going

530
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Speaker 3: to be in that first round discussion because of that

531
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Speaker 3: recovery balance, that athleticism, and as long as you believe

532
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Speaker 3: he's coachable, a team was gonna kind of roll the

533
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Speaker 3: dice on that because we know teams. There's a lot

534
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Speaker 3: of teams thirty two of them that need offensive line

535
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Speaker 3: depth and help, and Connorley is one of the few

536
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Speaker 3: in his class that has true left tackle feet and

537
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Speaker 3: recovery skills.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Old school. You got a running back at number six,

539
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: and I love it. It's great. And I do think

540
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: NFL teams, while you know, the salaries of the running

541
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Speaker 2: backs are on skyrack, and I think they're understanding the

542
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: importance of a good running game, especially with all these

543
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, shell defense is too safeties deep. You gotta

544
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Speaker 2: run power, you gotta be able to you know, run

545
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: the ball consistently. We know how good Genty is. He's phenomenal.

546
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Speaker 2: The rest of this class, though, it seems like we're

547
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Speaker 2: going to have a pretty good number of second round picks. Well,

548
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: last year we were struggling to find one second round

549
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Speaker 2: pick in the draft class. I feel like this is

550
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Speaker 2: almost like a renaissance running back draft class year with

551
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: guys with some different styles too that could step in

552
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Speaker 2: and be fifteen seventeen carrier game guys at the pro level.

553
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt I running back will unquestionably be one

554
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Speaker 3: of the strengths of this of this draft class, and

555
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Speaker 3: Genti is the only one that I feel confident saying

556
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: will be a first round pick. But then to your point,

557
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: once we get to the second round, Day two, and

558
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: then because there's so many of these guys just in

559
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: terms of volume, there will be good running backs in

560
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Speaker 3: rounds three, four, probably in the round five because just

561
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: there's only so many teams that are gonna be drafting

562
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: a running back that early. Caleb Johnson from Iowa, what

563
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: he's done this year, just the size, the speed, the

564
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: forward lean, the pad level, the patients, the vision. I mean,

565
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: he has a lot of what teams are looking for

566
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: in a one cut, get north type of runner. Omarion Hampton,

567
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: you know, with no more Drake May there, everyone knows

568
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: all right, you know, Hampton's kind of the focal point

569
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: of that offense. Yet he still is able to be

570
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: productive and he's really good without the ball in his hands,

571
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: so blocking you can keep it on the field on

572
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: any down both of Ohio State's guys with Trayvon Henderson,

573
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: quinch On Judkins, these guys are pros and I think

574
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: them You know that the stats aren't gonna look great

575
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: for those guys this year because they're sharing carries and

576
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: we know that, you know, the receivers at Ohio State

577
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: are obviously gonna cut into that as well. But it's

578
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: them joining up this year I think has really helped them,

579
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: both of them, because it pushes each other, It help

580
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: helps keep him fresh, and you know they're gonna go

581
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: to the NFL with plenty of tread left on the tires.

582
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: Dylan Sampson's been a lot of fun this year for Tennessee.

583
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Speaker 3: I mean, we could really spend the whole episode talking

584
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: about just running backs and all of the guys that

585
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: will be in this class and guys that you even

586
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: if they're not running back one on your depth chart,

587
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: they're gonna be really valuable running back twos or threes,

588
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: and guys that are gonna be at least influence how

589
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: you game plan on Sundays.

590
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Speaker 2: All right, Tony, I'm gonna step aside here and I'm

591
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: gonna let you roll through some of the individual players

592
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: you want to hit on the floors, Well, I'm.

593
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 4: Going to go to an offensive position where there's not

594
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: a lot of depth. Tight end. You've got Colston Loveland

595
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: at thirteen, and then double that, you got Tyler Warren

596
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: at twenty six. You think Colston Loveston is fast enough

597
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: to be a top twenty pick.

598
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think And I think that's why he

599
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: will be a top twenty pick is because of the speed.

600
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: You you know, you watch him. He's basically a wide

601
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: receiver for Michigan. I mean that that's how they use him,

602
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: and that's smart. I mean I think teams, there are

603
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: teams that will right up Colston Loveland as a wide

604
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 3: receiver because he is lean, tall, lean and fast and

605
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: as a blocker, he's just he's not going to give

606
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: you a ton. Now, He's different than Brock Bauers, you know, Bowers.

607
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: I think you know, what we're seeing from him for

608
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: the Raiders on Sundays matches exactly what we thought he

609
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: would be. Loveland's not quite on that level, but he

610
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: is a more fluid, you know, kind of like Dalton Kincaid.

611
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: You know, another guy who coming out of college was

612
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: an exceptional receiver, not going to give you a ton

613
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: as a blocker. Still went first round, and I think

614
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: Loveland can be that type of player, and especially in

615
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: this draft class, end up in the top twenty. Now

616
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren, he gives you a little bit more of

617
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: that traditional tight end, you know, and he's gonna do

618
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: some really athletic stuff at the combine for a guy

619
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: that you know is two hundred and fifty five pounds.

620
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: Watching him this year, the versatility that he's showing as

621
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: a wildcat quarterback because he was a quarterback in highs,

622
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: returning the quarterback as a wildcat guy taking handoffs, he's

623
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: throwing the ball, his ability, he's well built, he's strong,

624
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: he's got really good acceleration into his routes. He's fluid,

625
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: and his ability to the hand eye coordination at the

626
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: catch point is really impressive. To snatch the football, put

627
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: it away. I bet you at the end of this

628
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: year he's gonna have more one handed grabs than he

629
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 3: will have drops on his film. I mean, he's that

630
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: type of receiver. So now, is he the best blocker? No,

631
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: I mean he is more of that traditional blocker, but

632
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: in the run game, it's kind of up and down

633
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: for him, so you know, like a lot of tight

634
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: ends going to the NFL, it's he's he can line

635
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: up in line, But I don't know that he's that

636
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: true combination guy. You're drafting him early in the top

637
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: forty because of what he gives you in the passing game,

638
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: so you know, maybe similar to you know, like Sam

639
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: Laporta was kind of that way where you're drafting him

640
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: for what he can do as a receiver and you know,

641
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: you try to coach him up as a blocker. Hopefully

642
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: he gets better better in that area. But you know,

643
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren, my comp for him was a Tyler Eifer

644
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: who ended up going in the first round. A guy

645
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: that could you know, you draft to help you in

646
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: the passing game. But I think your overall point is

647
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: spot on the tight end position this year. You've got

648
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: these guys at the top, and then I think it'll

649
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: be interesting if you know those guys are tight end

650
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: one and two. You know who's tight end three? You

651
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: know is it going to be? You know, first of all,

652
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 3: what juniors are coming out. You know, the guy like

653
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: Mason Taylor from LSU, he made my top fifty. I

654
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: think he's just so useful and valuable everything that he does.

655
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: Gods Godsten from Syracuse, does fan In from Bowling Green

656
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: come out. I'm a big fan of Terrence Ferguson from

657
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: Oregon and everything that he brings. So this is a

658
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: tight end class that there's two guys at the top

659
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: and then there's some interesting players that might have a

660
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: chance to sneak into the top one hundred, but more

661
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: the bulk of the tight ends we drafted.

662
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: On Day three you got Evan Stewart, the receiver from

663
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: Oregon by way Texas A and HM at number thirty six.

664
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 4: And when Evan Stewart is on, wow, I mean he

665
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: is sometimes you can't defend him. The production is not

666
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: there though, you know, it doesn't stand out the way

667
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: they run that offense and Dylan Gabriel spreads the ball around.

668
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 4: What do you think the upside? And it's just kind

669
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: of subjective question as they all, but what is the

670
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: upside for Evans Steward? I mean, could he be one

671
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: of those guys that you know in the weeks leading

672
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: up to the draft you just hear that teams love

673
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: and he ends up as a top twenty five pick.

674
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that Evan Stewart could really benefit

675
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: from a wide receiver class that's a little bit unsettled

676
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: in the top five because we know we saw how

677
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: many ten receivers go in the top forty last year.

678
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: We know teams want to get more explosive at wide receiver.

679
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: T mac Luther Burden, you know those guys say they're

680
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: one and two, and let's say Travis Hunter is a corner.

681
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: So who's wide receiver three. I think that'll be an

682
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: interesting competition between you know, a Mecca Buca from Ohio State.

683
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: He's going to be in that mix, the Stanford kid

684
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: Elik aml Minor, who the Stanford coaches think is going back.

685
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: But you know, we'll have to see how that plays out.

686
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: Evan Stewart's going to be right up there as well

687
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: because of the ability to get vertical and win deep.

688
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: We saw it on the Ohio State tape. But to

689
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: your point, I think you're absolutely right. For a guy

690
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: that is as athletic and talented as he is, why

691
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: why does he have five games of twenty yards or

692
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: less in only two games of one hundred yards or

693
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: more this year? Why isn't the production more, especially with

694
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: Tess Johnson down the Oregon's number one receiver. And it's

695
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: not like you have a bad offense. You have literally

696
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: a Heisman contend direct quarterback. So why isn't the production

697
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: more from Evan Stewart. That's something that I think teams

698
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: will have to kind of reconcile as they go through

699
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: this process. Is all right, you're getting you're buying low

700
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: on a play. Who's about to blow up because he grows,

701
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 3: you know, he's a true junior, still young or is

702
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: there you know, are there some issues in his game

703
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: that maybe we need to pay more attention to. But

704
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: I think just the fact that he can win vertically

705
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: that's going to help him throughout the process and gonna

706
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: give him a chance to be a top three or

707
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: four receiver this year.

708
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: Go to the defensive side of the ball. Nick Amminawari

709
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: of South Carolina, John and I have talked about him

710
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: a couple of times this season. I mean, he is

711
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: a linebacker size safety, but he's got terrific ball skills.

712
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: The ball production is there, He's got two TVs this year.

713
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 4: But the question is I mean, is he a true

714
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: you know, a center fielder. Is he just a traditional

715
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: strong safety? Is is he his own safety. You know,

716
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: do you think teams are looking at him or would

717
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: look at him as a safety or as maybe a

718
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: one gap linebacker.

719
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: I mean, first, how much fall on is that to

720
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: watch that South Carolina defense? I mean all the guys

721
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: they have on the defensive line, and then you know

722
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: the corner number three Fortune is a lot of fun.

723
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: And then yeah in minority who he's an impressive side

724
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: speed athlete. Like you said, he looks like a linebacker,

725
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: but he's got a speed of a corner. I mean

726
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: he moves really well, so that range I think, I mean, yeah,

727
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: you want him. Can he be a big nickel for

728
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: a team where he's gonna walk up close to the

729
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, gonna be able to hold up dropping

730
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: in the coverage, but you know he's gonna string out runs.

731
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: He's gonna be able to clean up at the second level.

732
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: I think teams are gonna look at him all a

733
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: little bit differently based on their scheme and how they

734
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: want to showcase his talent because he is such a

735
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: unique player. All I know is the talent's there, and

736
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: so I had to include him in my top fifty.

737
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, that South Carolina defenses is a ton of fun.

738
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 3: I mean you reference Kyle Canard earlier. TJ. Sanders has

739
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: at the defensive tackle has been playing outstanding. Tonka Hemingway

740
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 3: is a draftable player. So yeah, that South Carolina defense

741
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 3: is a joy to watch.

742
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 4: And the pitch TRANSWERJ. Jewles has been injured, hasn't played

743
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: for almost a month. Now let's go to Ohio State.

744
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: You got Jack Sawyer at number forty three and J. T.

745
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: Twoy Meola at twenty four. When I look at these

746
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: guys this year, I think they were better players in

747
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. I know the lore of the nil

748
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 4: brought them back to Ole State, but in my opinion,

749
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: watching these guys this year, I think they've actually hurt

750
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: their draft stock. I just want to know your opinion

751
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: on that.

752
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the production hasn't been overly impressive. And this is

753
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: a team. I mean we saw it watch watching the

754
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: Oregon tape. They want to win with their front four

755
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: and you know, let their guys cover. And we saw

756
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: that Dylan Gabriel when the pass rush wasn't able to

757
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: get there quick enough, Dylan Gabriel was able to pick

758
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: them apart. And I think both these guys are going

759
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: to be solid NFL pros, but are they like Okay,

760
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: twey Malu. His tape is good, but there's not a

761
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: lot of great on the tape, and that's okay. I

762
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: mean not every prospect is a true top ten guy.

763
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: I think that you know, he's competitive, he's skilled, and

764
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: it's very telling that no matter what tape you watch,

765
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: Tuimolololu is seeing more four hands and chips and seeing

766
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: a lot more doubles than anybody else on that defensive line.

767
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: And it's a pretty talented Ohio State defensive line, but

768
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: it's number forty four who the offense is paying most

769
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: attention to. So I think that is very telling. Jack

770
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: Sawyer is he's a good player. It's just I don't

771
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 3: think he has enough quick wins in him where if

772
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: you give him enough time, he will power through and

773
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: get there and affect the quarterback. But he doesn't have

774
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: that speed to consistently win around the corner or defeat

775
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: blocks with just athletic skill. But man, his motor is

776
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: NonStop and he's just another guy I want on my

777
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: defensive line. I don't want to have to draft him

778
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: in the first round. Top forty, but I want to

779
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: draft somewhere on. I'd be happy to draft him and

780
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: add him my defensive line rotation. But I think, you know,

781
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: compared to what how they were ranked as high school

782
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 3: recruits and maybe how they're talked about sometimes, I could

783
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: understand how you would think that way.

784
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 4: Last two questions for me, and these are both guys

785
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 4: that you mentioned that are not in your top fifty.

786
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 4: Prince human Ell I figured this out last week. Prince

787
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: humanet Ellen from Mississippi by way of Florida. I mean,

788
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: when he's on, he's unstoppable. He looks like a top

789
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: thirty two pick. Is it character consistency? What are the

790
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: reasons why he's not your top fifty? Yeah?

791
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 3: I mean he it's can you do enough against the run?

792
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean, we know what he can do with that

793
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: initial quickness when he times up the snap and that

794
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: burst and his ability to attack the outside edges is outstanding.

795
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: I think he's doing a better job this year of

796
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: using his hands to pry open that corner, that closing

797
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: burst of the quarterback flat and finish. It's really impressive.

798
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 3: But does he have enough where you're gonna trust him

799
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: as a full time edge defender stopping the run. I

800
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: think that's where kind of the questions come in. I

801
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: think he's worked himself into that top seventy five mix

802
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: where you know, he was a guy I absolutely considered

803
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: for my top fifty, but some of the concerns in

804
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: the run game were where I left him out. But

805
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 3: I think he has shown enough improvements this year where

806
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: he's gonna he's gonna at least going to be in

807
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: that conversation.

808
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: Last question, Benjamin Morrison cornerback from the notes, your game

809
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: out of the top fifty hurt the hip early on

810
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: out for the season. Didn't really play that spectacularly early on.

811
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: Is it just the hip or is it also a

812
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: Carson Beck type of situation where you expected him to

813
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: improve on twenty twenty three and in the games that

814
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: he played this season he didn't show it.

815
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of both. I think if he

816
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: were fully healthy, he would have been probably some where

817
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: late thirties early forties for me, because you know, he's

818
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: a good player, he's patient and balanced and coveraged. You know,

819
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: he technically he's very good. Then also he's very intelligent,

820
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: and he's not a bad athlete. He's a good athlete,

821
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: just maybe not an elite one for the position. My

822
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: big issue with Benjamin Morrison was just the play strength.

823
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: Too many times where he's getting out muscled when he's

824
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: trying to press blockers completely overwhelming him. You know that

825
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: the lack of play strength really showed up in my

826
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: opinion earlier this season. And then you throw in the injury. Obviously,

827
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: you know, the hips are kind of important for any

828
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: anybody on the football field, but especially a corner who

829
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: you know you want to be able to turn and

830
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: pivot and make these sudden movements. And so if fully healthy,

831
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: he would have made my top fifties somewhere in that,

832
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: probably in the forties. But with now, with the injury,

833
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: it's kind of up in the air, and it's it's

834
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: a tough part about injuries this time of year. You're

835
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: just not sure where's the long term implications, you know,

836
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 3: like Josh Simmons from the left tackle from Ohio State,

837
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: another one of these guys with the patella with the knee,

838
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: You're just not sure, Okay, how serious is this going

839
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: to be long term? Could this you know Harold Perkins

840
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: from LSU with the ACL Does the injury factor into

841
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: their decision to maybe come back for another year or

842
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: are they just gonna, you know, take their chances in

843
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: the NFL. So yeah, the serious injuries in November, this

844
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: time of year can be really tough when you try

845
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: to project these guys.

846
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Final one for me, Dan, and this is a two parter,

847
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: so I apologize. We've talked about two corners here. You

848
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: guys talked about the Michigan corner, you talk about Travis Hunter.

849
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: Otherwise, how deep is that class? How does it look?

850
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: And then is this finally the resurgent defensive tackle class

851
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: that we've been waiting for. It's been a bunch of

852
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: years since we've had a good defensive tackle class. That

853
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: seems like it could be one.

854
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the corner class is okay. I mean

855
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: I think I only have four in my top fifty,

856
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: which is a pretty low number. You know, we obviously

857
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: been speaking of season ending injury Shavon Ravel from Eastern

858
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: Carolina East Carolina, who had a really good chance to

859
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: be a first round pick before the injury, and he

860
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: still might before now that he has the ACL sounds

861
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: like he's probably going to be part of this draft class.

862
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: We'll have to kind of see how that plays out.

863
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of Maxwell Harriston from Kentucky, but

864
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: he's been hurt most of this season. That's kind of

865
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: hurt him. Overall, this corner class is a little bit light,

866
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, again only for my top

867
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: fifty kind of represents that. But I do think that

868
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: could end up pushing up some of the guys that

869
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: maybe don't they're missing one thing about their their profile,

870
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: maybe they're a little bit too small, maybe they don't

871
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 3: have the arm length. A great example is Jedi Baron

872
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: from Texas, who has under thirty inch arms, and that's

873
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: going to be an issue. Some teams are going to

874
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: be out on Baron because they need at least thirty

875
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: one inches or longer for their arm length. The lack

876
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: of arm length is going to be an issue. But

877
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: if you know, the lack of corner depth, especially in

878
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: the top fifty top sixty, could end up helping a

879
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: really good player because the football IQ his red react

880
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: is awesome. Big fan of Baron is just the lack

881
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: of length is gonna hurt him. And I'm sorry, what

882
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: was your second question?

883
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: Defensive tackle?

884
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: Is this a resurgence of the defensive tackles for the

885
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: first time in a few.

886
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: Years, a defensive line as a whole, the edge rushers,

887
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: and then at defensive tackle. It's going to be a

888
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: really good group. I mean the seniors too, with Tyler

889
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: Williams and the two guys from Texas A and m

890
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: Schamark Turner Shamar Stewart. Even a guy like Alfred Collins

891
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: from Texas who came back for his fifth year and

892
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 3: is playing at a really high level, has turned himself

893
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: into an early round pick, Day two pick type of guy.

894
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: You know. Mason Graham from Michigan is going to be

895
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 3: probably a top ten player, one of the you hate

896
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: using the words safe in any draft about a prospect,

897
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: but he seems like one of the same for players

898
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: in this draft. Hard to see him not working out.

899
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: Derek Carmon from Oregon has been a big riser this

900
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: year with the destruction that he brings. Walter Nolan from

901
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: Ole Miss As long as he continues to mature and

902
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: teams are confident about his maturity, he's got the goods

903
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: where he's going to be in that first round discussion.

904
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: I mean, we could talk about five, six, seven more

905
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: guys at defensive tackle that have a chance to be

906
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: top seventy five picks and be guys that are going

907
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: to influence how they are played as rookies in the NFL.

908
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: So this is a really good defensive line class.

909
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: Dane.

910
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: Always an absolute pleasure talking to you, my friend. Tell

911
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: the folks where they can find all your fantastic work.

912
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: Is some NFL fan base.

913
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: Is already there, but the whole world kind of only

914
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: gets into Dane Brugler season.

915
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's everything on the athletic and you can find

916
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: all that on Twitter at dp Brugler. You know, we've

917
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 3: getten almost the mock draft season and then of course

918
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: eventually the Beast coming out in April, which I know

919
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people people love and so happy to

920
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: bring that back again another year.

921
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Have they asked you to do a mock draft already?

922
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: Please tell me no?

923
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: Oh of course, yeah no. But my rule is, I

924
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: we have to at least get past Thanksgiving. Once we

925
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: get past Thanksgiving, all right, then we can start talking

926
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: about mock drafts because at that point there's enough teams

927
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: that are absolutely out of it and we've seen the

928
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: players to know, Okay, there's a good chance these guys

929
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: are going here but at least let us get past

930
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving before we really dive into that.

931
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's even tougher now with all

932
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: these playoff games, like you have, like a half the

933
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: season that's gonna take place from December to January, with

934
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: so many of these guys, with twelve teams in the playoffs,

935
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna be a whole new set of

936
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: information where guys gonna move them like clay crazy. I

937
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: think late in the process this.

938
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: Year, all right, if Michael Pennix doesn't have his four

939
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty yard performance against Texas in the semi

940
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: finals last year, does he still go in the top ten?

941
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: Who knows? You know, And so I think you know

942
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: your points absolutely right to mention that with Carson Beck,

943
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: there's gonna be plenty of high leverage games coming up

944
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: for Georgia and the rest of these teams that could

945
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: change the way we look at these players. You know,

946
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 3: Colorado's got a good chance to sneak in as the

947
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: big twelve champs, and if they do, they have a

948
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: first round by and it'd be a lot of fun.

949
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the criticisms of too is

950
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, the two best defenses on that schedule Kansas

951
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: State Nebraska two losses. Okay, well, how would he look

952
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: against a Georgia defense and Ohio State defense one of

953
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 3: these teams, which is just it's only It's a great

954
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: thing for evaluators and also a great opportunity for some

955
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: of these players like Stuer goes out there and has

956
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: a career game, kind of like CJ. Stroud did against

957
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: Georgia and the playoffs a couple of years ago. All

958
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Shador is rocketing up. How teams are

959
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: talking about him, so plenty of opportunities still left for

960
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: teams that or for prospects to make a statement.

961
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Dan, this is awesome. Thanks so much.

962
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: Man, anytime. Thanks guys.

963
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: Draft season is a proud part of the New York Giants,

964
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risks into tomorrow opportunities.

965
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: Learn more in moodies dot com. Great stuff from Dan Brew.

966
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: I love to have him on just a first of all,

967
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: a great human being, super nice guy. And and Tony

968
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: is someone that is knee deep in this as you are.

969
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure when you talk to somebody else you can

970
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: tell that they are also knee deep in, and it's

971
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: fun to kind of share opinions with another guy who's

972
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: living this life, you know, twenty four to seven three

973
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: sixty five like you are.

974
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: Well, like you said, twenty four seven three sixty five,

975
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 4: because what's gonna happen isn't a couple of months. People

976
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: go from the super Bowl to the draft, but.

977
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: And they perish it in with all their expert opinions.

978
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: Exactly, Dan Bruger, this is I'm sure if you ask

979
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: Dane he'll tell you. You know, he starts hitting the

980
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 4: tape hard for the following year's draft two weeks after

981
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: the the existing draft is over, so as I do.

982
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: So.

983
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always good to get other perspectives, and especially

984
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: when you agree on things.

985
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm surprised you guys just didn't bask in your

986
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: adoration for abdul or for longer during that segment. I

987
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: was waiting for that, Tony. I'm a little disappointed. I'm

988
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: not gonna lie.

989
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 4: Well, it is what it is, right, all right.

990
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

991
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: We saved this for last because we wanted to get

992
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: Dana in and he was the headliner today some games

993
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: in college football.

994
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: Wasn't the best college football weekend Tony.

995
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna have some of those marketing games that we've

996
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: had in games in weeks past, but we did have

997
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: some and mirrored some of the guys we talked about

998
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: in our interview with Dane. So let's start off, and

999
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you kind of take it just game

1000
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: by game. We'll start with Texas in Arkansas.

1001
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the big matchup. There was Calvin Banks

1002
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 4: versus Landon Johnson. I think early on, if you watch

1003
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: that game, thanks to John I'm.

1004
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, Landon Jackson, you said Landon Johnson, land and.

1005
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 4: Jackson, I apologize. I think if you watched that game

1006
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: early on, Banks had his way with Jackson. Jackson did

1007
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 4: get a sack later in the game, but it was

1008
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 4: more a good play by him rather than a great

1009
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: pass rush because he stayed with it, found the quarterback

1010
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: and just changed direction. But Banks showed a lot of

1011
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 4: ability and pass protection, and you know it, it's gonna

1012
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: be interesting. I still have Banks as a guard, but

1013
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: I can see with those pass protection skills some team

1014
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 4: liking him at left tackle. Landon Jackson, he's not a

1015
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 4: great athlete, he's not very explosive, but he's very workman like.

1016
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: We talked about Ja Dave Baron and Daines said that

1017
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 4: he's going to be knocked down because his arm length

1018
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 4: isn't thirty inches. It isn't thirty inches, it's twenty nine.

1019
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 4: It was measured last spring at twenty nine and seven

1020
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: eighth inches, so he's an eighth under that thirty thirty

1021
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: inch mark. But he was phenomenal. Seven tackles, two tackles

1022
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: for loss, a sack, intercepted one pass which Texas converted,

1023
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 4: broke up another one. I think Baron is going to

1024
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: be a solid second round pick and will be a

1025
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: terrific linebacker, terrific nickelback at the next level. He's a

1026
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: guy that'd show him consistent improvement in his game the

1027
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: past three years.

1028
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you asked Dane about Carson back

1029
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: and I was gonna follow up, but we're running out

1030
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: of time. I wanted to make sure we got in

1031
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: all the as you want to get in. I feel

1032
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: like quin yours is kind of the same guy, right,

1033
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: Like both guys.

1034
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: I think most people, along with Tchador.

1035
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: They were the top three quarterbacks heading into the year

1036
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: right in terms of rankings, and neither one of those

1037
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: guys were in his top fifty, and like he said,

1038
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: right now, Carson Beck and I think yours is probably

1039
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: in the same situation.

1040
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: You're looking at third round picks for these two guys.

1041
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: The thing about yours is this, people outside of the

1042
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: scouting community had viewers ranked very high. I mean, where

1043
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: in New York we are since the beginning? Are your

1044
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: top ten picked in the New York Giants? But if

1045
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: you talk to people in the scouting community over the

1046
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: summer before the season began, they looked at yours as

1047
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: a day too, even a third round pick. So I

1048
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 4: think from that perspective, it's much more surprising the downfall

1049
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: we've seen thus far from Carson Beck.

1050
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: Beck was thought of much more highly than yours was

1051
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: over the summer from guys you talked.

1052
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: To in the scouting community, no doubt about it.

1053
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: Got it all right, Let's go to Utah, Colorado.

1054
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: We talked about shad Or Sanders and what do you

1055
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: think of him and Travis Hunter in this game.

1056
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 4: You know, I think Chador Sanders his game is kind

1057
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 4: of leveled off. I'm seeing better catches than throws in

1058
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: the in the passing game. And what I mean by

1059
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: that is the ball is going up, he's got the

1060
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: receiver's got to get vertical to the receiver's got to

1061
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: fight to come away with the pass rather than spot

1062
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: on accurate, great pass placement.

1063
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: And that is what Travis Hunter is great at. By

1064
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 2: the way, He's so good at those contested balls.

1065
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 4: But the thing is it's not just Travis Hunter. Will Shepard,

1066
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 4: the transfer from Vanderbilt, has has played well all season,

1067
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: had a couple of phenomenal receptions during that game. Lejonte

1068
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: Webster he's more of the speedster. But I think with Sanders,

1069
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's he's doing too much, if

1070
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: he's getting beat up a little bit. But I see

1071
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: better catches than I see passes, which is uh, you know,

1072
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: which is something to keep an eye on. Travis Hunter.

1073
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: I mean I like him, I don't absolutely love him

1074
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 4: as other people say talked about and you could tell,

1075
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: you know what our conversation from Dane. He thinks he's

1076
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: a really good player, but he's not a generational type talents.

1077
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 4: I will say this, everybody's you know, Travis Hunter is

1078
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 4: doing the Heisman posing that game. Everybody's talking about Heisman.

1079
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 4: I'm going with Ashton Genty because if you take Travis

1080
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: Hunter off of Colorado's still a very good team. They

1081
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: got good Their defense is starting to kick it in

1082
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: the gear because they've got some good defensive lineman and

1083
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: the Kyle Hill Green. The linebackers played very well. From

1084
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: Michigan to Charlotte found the home of Colorado even you

1085
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 4: know some of those other receivers, granted it's not Travis Hunter,

1086
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 4: but they keep them in the game. You take Ashton

1087
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 4: Genty off of Boise he stated, I don't think Boise

1088
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: State's a five hundred team.

1089
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: You kind of reference this with Dane a little bit.

1090
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: I just want to do a quick follow up. What

1091
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: are you hearing about what Travis Hunter is gonna run

1092
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: in the forty.

1093
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: Dot. I'd be surprised if he gets below four four five.

1094
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 4: He's more of a four four five to four five

1095
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: guy maybe with some training, which.

1096
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: If he end up running a four to four six

1097
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: or something, that's fine. No one's gonna ding him for that.

1098
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1099
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely right, But again, he's not going to

1100
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 4: be six foot tall, and yeah, you.

1101
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: Think he's under six foot because he plays bigger. He

1102
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 2: plays bigger than that height.

1103
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: When you watch.

1104
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 4: Him, well, absolutely. I mean the vertical jump is incredible.

1105
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: You saw that Saturday in the game when he when

1106
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 4: he came away with the reception. He can he can vertical.

1107
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: Give me a second here, he was by scouts in

1108
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 4: the in the offseason, he was right about six ft

1109
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: six foot tall, five to eleven and change. So I mean,

1110
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: if you're looking at the cornerback position, he's got to

1111
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: be six foot tall. The hands are eight and a

1112
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: half inches. The estimated forty time is four or five two.

1113
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 4: So you know, I listen, this is not Travis Hunter.

1114
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: I'm not hating on Travis Hunter. He's really good. I

1115
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 4: just don't think he's the spectacular, can't miss prospect, you know,

1116
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 4: the shoot you know, send it in, he's the Heisman

1117
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: Trophy winner. No, I think there are guys who were

1118
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: just as good, and guy like Ashton Genty, who you know,

1119
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 4: does it by himself every week.

1120
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think both of us thinking when all

1121
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 2: is said and done, he's going to be a top

1122
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: five pick, easy, maybe top three in this year's draft class.

1123
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: But again that's why you're ask me the question, is

1124
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: this top three because he's just the best of what

1125
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: we got, or is he a top three because no,

1126
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: this is Marvin Harrison Junior. This is mylik neighbors. You

1127
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: know that type of top three town. All right, let's

1128
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: go to on Nebraska USC Tony. What's you see in

1129
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: that game that you're.

1130
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: Like, real good, real good game. I mean, Ty Robinson

1131
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 4: is the guy that we've spoken about a couple times

1132
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 4: on this podcast. Finished the game with one sack tackle

1133
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 4: for the loss forced the fumble. Quarterback Harry had a

1134
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: constant pressure, constantly behind the want of scrimmage. He's quick,

1135
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: he's explosive, he's long. He's a guy that got late

1136
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: round grades coming into the season. He's gonna go day

1137
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: two when Nebraska lines him up all over the field,

1138
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: puts him at nose tackle, puts him at defensive end,

1139
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 4: puts him at the five tech, and he consistently gets

1140
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: the job done. Just altered a lot of plays, even

1141
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 4: though on the Bresca lost that game. Uh, Nash Huckmocker.

1142
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: He was more of a a gap occupyate nose tackles.

1143
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: That was one of the best nose tackles I've ever heard.

1144
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: And like, if you if your name is Nash Mocker,

1145
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: you better be a nose tackle or a guard or

1146
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: something like that, like you aren't playing wide receiver.

1147
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 4: Quick explosive first step had a play tackle for loss

1148
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 4: which stopped the USC drive. And Jonah meinhe Manheim their

1149
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 4: USC center, who was the left tackle last year. It's

1150
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 4: got to get stronger. I mean, he's shown some good

1151
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 4: things at center, and this is a year where the

1152
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 4: center position is wide open. It's not going to be

1153
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 4: a good crop in the draft. Monnheim has had his moments,

1154
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: but I don't think he's done enough to be anything

1155
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: other than a very late round pick.

1156
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: Finally, SEC matchup Tony South Carolina and Missouri.

1157
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a good game. This is this game

1158
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: that went down to the and Kyle Knnard was very

1159
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 4: quiet until late in the game. He had a sack

1160
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 4: in the final drive which kind of sealed win from Missouri.

1161
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: But keep an eye on Missouri's right tackle armand Membo.

1162
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: I've mentioned him a couple of times. He projects it

1163
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: to be his zone blocking guard because he's only six

1164
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 4: for three, but he's quick, he moves well, he's strong

1165
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 4: at the point he angers in pass protection, but he

1166
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 4: can also get out on the second level. And this

1167
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 4: is a guy who you know if you need it.

1168
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 4: Versatile interior type guy that can claim multiple systems power

1169
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 4: gap as well as a zone blocking system. You're gonna

1170
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 4: look at Membo probably starting in round three.

1171
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: Tony always want to talk to you, my friend. I'll

1172
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: talk to you next week, actually next week. I believe

1173
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: this Thanksgiving, so I think we were gonna take a pass.

1174
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes. It's a tight week for

1175
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: all of us, unfortunately, with the Giants playing on Thanksgiving,

1176
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: Tony at the Dallas Cowboys. My wife is thrilled that

1177
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 2: she has to do like a solo Thanksgiving with me

1178
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: on Friday, which means a lot of extra work for her.

1179
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm very thankful for it, but she's not thrilled.

1180
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: So we might skip drafts season next week, and in

1181
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: case we do, we'll be back with you in December.

1182
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: And then at that point we're getting the conference championship

1183
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: games and then we'll get into the playoffs. So you know,

1184
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: sometimes in December. We've had some years where there's not

1185
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: a ton to talk about. That will not be the

1186
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: case this year. There's gonna be games all over the place.

1187
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot of fun.

1188
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: No, and don't forget I mean, the Saturday after Thanksgiving

1189
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 4: is rivalry weekend. I mean Ohio State against Michigan, all

1190
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: those great rivalry games, and there'll be a lot on

1191
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 4: the line as we're getting down in the final weeks

1192
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: of college football. And you know, as we talked about

1193
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 4: with you know, with Dan, some of these prospects like

1194
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 4: the like the Carson Becks, I've got to show a

1195
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: lot of improvement and build upon the performance that he

1196
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 4: put out against Tennessee and.

1197
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: So many of these teams, whether it's all the guys

1198
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: from Georgia, the guys from Alabama, the guys from Texas,

1199
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: the guys from Oregon, Ohio State. You know, we'll see

1200
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: if Ole miss ends up making the playoffs, right these

1201
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: and maybe Colorado if they win the Big Twelve. All

1202
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: these guys were talking about, there's a good chance we're

1203
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: gonna see them for another two or three or four

1204
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: extra games this year.

1205
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a lot of fun. I can't

1206
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: wait to see a.

1207
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 4: Ton absolutely happy Thanksgiving to everybody.

1208
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you two, Telly Hapy things getting everybody out there.

1209
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: Draft season, as always, is brought to you by Moody

1210
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1211
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,200
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1212
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: Learn more at moodies dot com for Tony polling from

1213
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: sports Keta. By the way, anything on sports Kya coming

1214
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: up Tony that tea people should keep an eye on.

1215
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 4: Well, like Dane, we're gonna have a mock draft real soon.

1216
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 4: If not next week, the week before Thanksgiving, it'll be

1217
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 4: the week after Thanksgiving, so people get you can get

1218
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 4: pumped for that, and we'll also have a top fifty

1219
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: as well as all the announcements. The underclassman announcements. Is

1220
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: a guy that we've talked about on this podcast that

1221
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 4: Dane has in his top fifty. Mike Green out of Marshall.

1222
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: I've talked about him before and all signs point to,

1223
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 4: you know, Mike Green of Marshall, entering the draft of

1224
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 4: third year solf and who's been one of the best

1225
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 4: pass rushers in the nation this season.

1226
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: All right, so gear it up, baby, next draft season,

1227
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: Tony's mock draft. We're gonna hold him to it. He

1228
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: better get him right. We don't know, the draft order

1229
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Tony has to get these guys right in December,

1230
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: here's no choice, and we're gonna have some invitations getting

1231
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: accept the two to Shrine and Senior Ball, so we'll

1232
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: keep an eye on that. Maybe we'll welcome in our

1233
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: good buddies back from those two games as well. For

1234
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: Tony Paul and I'm Josh Fronal. Thanks you being with

1235
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: us on draft season. Happy Thanksgiving everybody,