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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. We're joined by our friend Pedro Gonzalez,

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Speaker 1: politics editor of Chronicles magazine. A lot to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Trump DeSantis showdown Tucker gets taken off air at Fox.

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Speaker 1: We don't even have the full story yet, but obviously

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Speaker 1: a big shockwave through conservative media and then Disney versus

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Speaker 1: DeSantis and corporatism in America today and.

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Speaker 2: How it affects the GOP and all of the rest

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Mister Pedro insightful, brave and always ready to throw down.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Sir? How are you, Buck?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that nice introduction. I'm well and I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to be back on the show.

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Speaker 1: So tell me, my friend the what are you seeing

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Speaker 1: right now with the Trump campaign? Because I'll start with

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Speaker 1: this one. I you know, I on the radio show.

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Speaker 1: Right we have a mandate mandate passed to us from RUSSA.

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Speaker 1: We don't endorse primary candidates, but of course we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the primary, talk about what we think

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Speaker 1: different moves policies, campaign ads, whatever it may be, right,

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Speaker 1: we call balls and strikes, and that's what we do

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Speaker 1: on the radio show. But you know, Trump put out

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Speaker 1: a statement that said something along the lines of, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but this is certainly within the spirit of it.

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Speaker 1: Here's like thirty reasons Florida actually sucks and Florida is

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Speaker 1: a place I believe the quote was a place of

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Speaker 1: destruction and despair, and just went off on Florida. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, I'm like, first of all, I live

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Speaker 1: because of the policies of Florida. And he lives in Florida,

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Speaker 1: and his adult children live in Florida. And every conservative

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Speaker 1: I just said, you know, it strikes me as not

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Speaker 1: a particularly good plan of attack. And I get about

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Speaker 1: half the comments on Twitter or something on lines of

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Speaker 1: why are you a trader for d Chess? Florida, Florida

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Speaker 1: does suck from a lot of people. What is this

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: What is this all about? Like try to make sense

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Speaker 1: of the crazy here.

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Speaker 3: For me, did you like look out your window when

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Speaker 3: I have to imagine how people in Florida actually took

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Speaker 3: that news. By the way, one of the groups that

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Speaker 3: was cited in that statement, if we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: same one, was National something or Other for Affordable Housing.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a group that is backed by Soros money.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a Sos group.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, it's a nonprofit that's pro transgenderism. And that

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Speaker 3: was one of the main sources of information that Trump

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Speaker 3: I'm a fan of your work. I think your criticisms

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Speaker 3: target on some of these important issues. I'm still leaning

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Speaker 3: But that's just not reflected in reality. And there's tons

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Speaker 3: not on Twitter, where every day seems to be like

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was going to say, it strikes me

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Speaker 1: I just moved to Florida from New York because of

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Speaker 1: all the good things happening here. I'm gonna go along

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Speaker 2: Gonna do that for Trump. Not gonna do that for anybody.

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Speaker 1: And it's remarkable to see now there's some very sort

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Speaker 1: the end of this primary. But the demands for obedience

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, again, I met people who feel the exact

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Speaker 3: you're a trader. And I think you're seeing this play

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Speaker 3: out on abortion is one issue, but the other ones

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Speaker 1: I was just giving a hypothetical. You're talking about areas

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And I think the Disney one is

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably the most relevant and immediate one,

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Speaker 3: I actually think there's there's probably a financial aspect to

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to demand accountability. You're supposed to basically

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Speaker 3: You know, don't boycott by light whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've seen what seems to me that there's a

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Speaker 1: the whole point is just that Trump wins. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: The only purpose of this whole exercise for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: All right, Peter, let's you mentioned the Disney thing with

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Speaker 3: The reason I said reason libertarians is because I actually

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Speaker 3: this whole fight over Disney is just pointless. It's it's

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Speaker 3: it's like this trivial culture war contest, and you have

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Speaker 3: to wonder it's like, is that libertarianism or what is that?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. But if you actually

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Speaker 3: think go ahead, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I go go you If you actually think

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Speaker 1: because I just go ahead.

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Speaker 3: If you actually think that this is like some silly

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Speaker 3: lais a fair thing, you know, like let like let

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Speaker 3: like let Disney be. What you're saying again is that

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Speaker 3: corporations should not face any kind of accountability for declaring

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Speaker 3: themselves essentially politically sovereign, which again I don't know, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if I would talk about to libertarianism or what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well, I also there's also that that strain

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Speaker 1: of we'll say, a strain of libertarian And I have

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Speaker 1: some friends for libertarians, so I'm just you know, I'm

447
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Speaker 1: poking them a little bit. But there's certainly a strain

448
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Speaker 1: of libertarianism as well that that increasingly, I think, as

449
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Speaker 1: we see what's happening with the southern border, the notion

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Speaker 1: that open borders are fine, no big deal, makes us

451
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Speaker 1: all wealthier and better off as a country. This is

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Speaker 1: this is civilization destroying. I mean, this is an insane belief,

453
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Speaker 1: but it's great for the donor class that funds some

454
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Speaker 1: of these individuals and some of these think tanks, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: to make them think that, oh yeah, the more people

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Speaker 1: that are here just means you know.

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Speaker 2: Bigger GDP.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, what are the costs of the individuals

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Speaker 1: financially and also to the culture and the society if

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Speaker 1: people just show up illegal but we're talking about elit

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Speaker 1: never might even legal illegal immigration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, you're you're talking about civilizational costs, right,

463
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Speaker 3: You're you're talking about changing changing the culture. And it's

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Speaker 3: worth noting by going back to the Mesa's thing. Murray

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Speaker 3: Rothbard wrote a very good essay called Nations by Consent,

466
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Speaker 3: and in that piece he actually argues that and others

467
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Speaker 3: have argued this that basically private property and open borders

468
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Speaker 3: incompatible for the reasons you just outlined, like it's completely

469
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Speaker 3: incoherent to believe in the idea of private property but

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Speaker 3: then essentially throw open the gates of your country and

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Speaker 3: offer to subsidize well with other people's money.

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Speaker 1: Can we just go can we a little further this,

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Speaker 1: by the way, because that I'm sure I got to

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Speaker 1: read this, this piece you just mentioned by you, said

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Speaker 1: Murray Rothbard, I like to take notations like please, please, please,

476
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say texting me, but I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: We're running this experiment right now with New York City,

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Speaker 1: which I think has been they're not spending nearly enough

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Speaker 1: time on this. And I know people say, well, that's

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Speaker 1: just a city, but the Democrat mayor of New York City, okay,

481
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Speaker 1: Eric Adams, is pleading for billions of dollars from the

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Speaker 1: federal government to deal with forty thousand illegal migrants in

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Speaker 1: his city. And there's a ten year back log on

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Speaker 1: their court cases, so they're guaranteed to be here for

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Speaker 1: at least about a decade before they even have to

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Speaker 1: show up to court. They won't even show up to court.

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Speaker 1: They won't enforce the law about them not. So this

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Speaker 1: is the whole thing has become a scam. Right But

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Speaker 1: just in terms of the costs, we're always told, oh,

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Speaker 1: they do the jobs Americans won't do. Remember that line,

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Speaker 1: you hear that a little less. Now, No, when a

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Speaker 1: woman comes here who speaks no English, has no skills,

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Speaker 1: has no education, with two or three children with her

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Speaker 1: at the southern border, this is a welfare state. Now

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Speaker 1: that that's what we're actually dealing with. That's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: And we don't actually have an endless checkbook, which I

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Speaker 1: think people might find out the very very hard way

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Speaker 1: with the economy in the next six to twelve months

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Speaker 1: or so. Anyway, let's come back and get into the

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson situation here. But you know, the first off,

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Speaker 1: I was just speaking about it the economy. I really

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Speaker 1: do think it's going to get very ugly out there.

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Speaker 2: Friends.

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Speaker 1: They're holding it together with you know, scotch tape and

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Speaker 1: Bank failures that required a government to step in billions

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Speaker 1: pedro h Tucker's out. I mean I wrote this publicly,

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Speaker 1: so this is not a surprise. I mean, Tucker has

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Speaker 1: had me in a show many times. He said, you

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Speaker 1: and a show many times. We both are clearly professionally

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Speaker 1: very supportive of him. I mean I can speak personally.

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot as an individual. He told

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Speaker 1: me to marry my wife, which was funny because I

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Speaker 1: was already about to propose. But anyway, So I'm very

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Speaker 1: I'm as I'm about as pro Tucker as as anyone

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Speaker 1: else you'll find in the media.

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Speaker 2: What do you think happened here?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea. All I

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Speaker 3: know is that the discrimination suit brought by Abby whatever

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Speaker 3: her name is, who.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's Abby gross post.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically where she claims that she was bullied, and

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Speaker 3: so that what I do know for certain is that

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Speaker 3: that's not why Tucker's gone. It seems like that's a

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Speaker 3: kind of useful pretext for Fox News. But I'm open

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Speaker 3: to every theory except for that one, because it's just

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Speaker 3: seems like the lamest. There's also a lot of there's

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Speaker 3: also a lot of talk about her claims being unfounded,

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Speaker 3: and there are other people who have worked with her

543
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Speaker 3: who are saying that she's kind of a terrible person

544
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Speaker 3: and she has a habit of like making stuff up.

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Speaker 3: So that just seems like the least plausible explanation for

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Speaker 3: why Fox cut ties with Tucker. I think it's more

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Speaker 3: more likely has to do with the fact that Tucker

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Speaker 3: on a nightly basis challenged and mocked the most powerful

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Speaker 3: people in the world. I think that That's probably why

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, there's an

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Speaker 3: interesting kind of footnote here where there was a story

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Speaker 3: in Vanity Fair. I think about how Rupert Murdoch was

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Speaker 3: really put off by the kind of theological themes that

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Speaker 3: Tucker would introduce into his speaking on and off the network,

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Speaker 3: basically framing our political problems as actually spiritual ones and

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Speaker 3: kind of highlighting the theological nature underlying political underlying the political.

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Speaker 3: I think that's interesting because according to this piece, h

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Speaker 3: Murdoch's ex fiance was like convinced that Tucker was sort

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Speaker 3: of like a prophet, and it like really put Murdock off.

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Speaker 3: It's such an interesting and bizarre footnote. But I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, coming back to what's probably more more more

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Speaker 3: closer to the truth is is exactly that I mean,

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Speaker 3: Tucker was bashing the Pentagon, bashing Zelensky, going against the

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Speaker 3: most powerful corporate entities in the world. And it wasn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily a surprise, uh when after the Tucker was deplatformed,

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Speaker 3: you had these faceless Pentagon officials who were running to

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Speaker 3: the press celebrating about it, celebrating that their most formidable

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Speaker 3: civilian critic had been taken off air, and so I

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Speaker 3: think that's much closer to the truth. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: there's the January six stuff. There's there's talk that basically

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Speaker 3: Murdoch was deeply uncomfortable with with Tucker's reporting on the

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Speaker 3: January sixth stuff, with the tapes that he aired on

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Speaker 3: the show. So I think that's that's really it is

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Speaker 3: that Tucker was he was flying very close to the sun,

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Speaker 3: and Fox News got weakknees and was looking for an

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Speaker 3: excuse to get him off the show.

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Speaker 1: You know, on that point about the military speaking out

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Speaker 1: of this. Isn't it fascinating to see how the left

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Speaker 1: there there are these I don't know if you call

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Speaker 1: them like hangover theories or ideas or something, but you know,

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Speaker 1: let me, let me give a couple of examples. Right,

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Speaker 1: Wall Street is Republican. No person who has any understanding

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Speaker 1: of who controls Wall Street and where the money goes

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Speaker 1: and where the donations and politics go says Wall Street

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Speaker 1: is Republican. Right, I mean, that's that's preposterous. But but

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Speaker 1: there's still this belief or even though the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: is the party of the rich, over look at all

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Speaker 1: of the richest, basically all the richest zip codes in

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Speaker 1: the United States, ninety percent of them are as blue

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Speaker 1: as it gets. Right, the concentrations of wealth and Democrat

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Speaker 1: voting allegiance are very, very obvious. But another one is

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Speaker 1: that is that it's the Democrats who will question the

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Speaker 1: military industrial complex, I think increasingly. And I come from

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Speaker 1: the intelligence you know, apparatus, right, So I've seen some

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Speaker 1: of this myself, and I saw some of this happening

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Speaker 1: even overer the Obama administration. I was there mostly for

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Speaker 1: the Bush years, but I was around a little bit

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Speaker 1: in the CIA for the Obama years, and it seems

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Speaker 1: increasingly to me the Democrats view the national security state

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Speaker 1: as an ally of their politics domestically and internationally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think this is kind of an inherent

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Speaker 3: difficulty with being a conservative in the sense that a

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Speaker 3: conservative identifies with institutions like the military and the national

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Speaker 3: security apparatus. Right. But we're in this bizarre situation where

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Speaker 3: Democrats and progressive are actually in the shoes of a

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Speaker 3: conservative in the sense that they're conserving a status quo

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Speaker 3: that benefits them and no longer benefits the people who

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Speaker 3: actually identify as conservatives and are only conservatives in the

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Speaker 3: sense that they're social and cultural conservatives. It's a really

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Speaker 3: interesting position again because the leftists, the progressives, the Democrats,

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Speaker 3: they're actually in a sense the conservatives because the institutions

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Speaker 3: now serve them and their political interests. And Tucker was

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Speaker 3: someone who, I think, in his own way, opened the

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Speaker 3: eyes of his audience to see that the institutions that

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Speaker 3: you grew up respecting and thinking are on your side,

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Speaker 3: or they're not on your side. Your greatest enemies are

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Speaker 3: now domestic. They're not just domestic, they're they're at the Pentagon.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was asked by someone, what do

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Speaker 3: you think is his deplatforming means for the right? And

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Speaker 3: I said the right. Tucker was not a he wasn't

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Speaker 3: a voice just for the right. Like he was. He

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Speaker 3: was the most articulate and formidable critic of the establishment

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Speaker 3: for everyone who's dissatisfied with it. And that's why he

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Speaker 3: managed to capture this particular demographic of basically moderate Democrats

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Speaker 3: aged twenty five to forty five. Tucker would capture a

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Speaker 3: bigger portion of that viewership than shows on CNN and MSNBC.

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Speaker 3: Why because he was speaking to things that across the aisle.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be a Republican to see the

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Speaker 3: problem with a Pentagon that just wages illegal wars right

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Speaker 3: and just decides that we're going to do this and

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Speaker 3: that around the world. You don't have to be a

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Speaker 3: Republican or a Democrat to see the problem with entities

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Speaker 3: like Blackrock buying up homes and driving at the cost

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Speaker 3: of living for people. And I think that's really important

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Speaker 3: to highlight that we're not talking about a right wing

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Speaker 3: pundit here. You're talking about someone who spoke for everyone

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Speaker 3: who was dissatisfied with the status quo.

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Speaker 1: Come back here in a second and talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about some of the fights that we are

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Speaker 1: waging here on the right, including me, Pedro. I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you what is it about the transgender agenda

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Speaker 1: right now that Democrats, it seems, are in some ways

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Speaker 1: more willing to push on this than almost anything else.

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Speaker 1: No no matter what the pushback is, no matter you know,

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Speaker 1: we saw that. We'll talk about bud Light in a second,

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Speaker 1: but there's something going on here we want to discuss it.

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Speaker 1: But at first I want to tell everybody, if you

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Speaker 1: That's what you should be doing. That's what you get

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Speaker 1: oh any one bladeshave dot com slash buck for twenty

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Speaker 1: percent off your first order. Okay, pagro, let me give

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Speaker 1: you an example of this, and I give full credit

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Speaker 1: to my friend Jesse Kelly. You know Jesse Right, You've

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Speaker 1: been on Jesse Show, Jesse's grade. Jesse has been pointing

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Speaker 1: this out because I've been focused on up to this point.

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Speaker 1: They're lying about the book ban right, It's not a ban,

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Speaker 1: it's it's what is the list? What is the curated

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Speaker 1: list that your your kids in the third grade, in

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Speaker 1: the eighth grade whenever should be reading. It's not the

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Speaker 1: same thing as banning, right, tell me, saying that you're

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Speaker 1: not going to show and you know, a rated R

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Speaker 1: or rated X movie to kids in school isn't banning that.

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Speaker 1: It's just choosing not to show it. So that's been

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Speaker 1: part of the focus here, right, But there's actually something

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Speaker 1: else going on, which is why is it that the left,

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Speaker 1: the machinery of the left, the Democrat Party from the

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Speaker 1: White House on down by the way they push this stuff,

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Speaker 1: is so interested in making sure that third graders see

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Speaker 1: really explicit and really deeply inappropriate, highly sexual material in

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Speaker 1: books and in a lessons in school. Like, what's pushing that?

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's an idiot. There's an ideological element

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Speaker 3: to it, in the sense of this kind of permanent revolution, right,

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Speaker 3: it can't stop. You can't just draw an arbitrary line

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Speaker 3: in the sand. When you're aligned with the modern left,

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Speaker 3: there's always a kind of crusade, the next thing, the

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Speaker 3: next injustice, and if there's no injustice, then you have

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Speaker 3: to invent one, and so you have to continue creating

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Speaker 3: these these categories of oppression. And transgenderism just seems to

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Speaker 3: be the latest group that's been identified as an oppressed group.

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Speaker 3: And so we've taken a tiny you know, basically, until recently,

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Speaker 3: this was considered as basically like a psychiatric thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: like maybe there's a tiny part of the population where

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Speaker 3: there's you know, there's probably something where they could benefit

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Speaker 3: from from the application of hormones or whatever. But you're

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Speaker 3: talking about it a vanishingly small part of the population, right,

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Speaker 3: a kind of like medical oddity. And now it's become

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Speaker 3: something that's not only no longer that, but like a

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Speaker 3: mainstream category of identity with a powerful lobby behind it that,

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Speaker 3: like you said, stretches all the way up to the

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Speaker 3: White House, and some of the most powerful pharmaceutical companies

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Speaker 3: in the country, and so I think it's basically this

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Speaker 3: confluence of ideology. On the one hand, this concept of

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Speaker 3: the permanent revolution, you can't stop on this, the crusade

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Speaker 3: of social justice, like you have to continue finding in justices, right,

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Speaker 3: So it's a combination of that plus the fact that

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Speaker 3: there is this powerful industry behind it. The Biden administration

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Speaker 3: a while back cited a nonprofit. I don't recall the

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Speaker 3: name of it, but I've written about it. There was

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Speaker 3: also a story in The Free Beacon, but it's a

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Speaker 3: nonprofit that advocates for basically normalizing transgenderism. And the Biden

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Speaker 3: administration cited a paper that was produced by this nonprofit

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Speaker 3: arguing that these surgeries and interventions are necessary for basically children,

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Speaker 3: for young people. Well, that nonprofit had received money from

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Speaker 3: ABVIP Pharmaceuticals, one of the corporations that produces the drugs.

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Speaker 3: They are used in the sequence of suppressing hormones before

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Speaker 3: you apply cross sex excuse me, suppressing puberty before the

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Speaker 3: application of cross sex hormones, and then ultimately these irreversible

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Speaker 3: surgical intervals. So you have a pharmaceutical company that sells

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Speaker 3: the drugs that people take for this stuff. Funding a

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Speaker 3: nonprofit that then produces research that the White House sites

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Speaker 3: to justify changing the laws. And it's the worst possible

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Speaker 3: combination of ideology and interest the financial aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: Pedro before we close this episode, and we'll have you

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Speaker 1: back again soon. It's gonna be a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about in this election cycle, for sure. If you have

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Speaker 1: to pick something that makes you feel optimistic, right, it's.

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Speaker 2: Been We've been a little We've been a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a bummer here.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about some rough stuff, everything from you know,

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Speaker 1: the primary mud slinging to what's going on with the

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Speaker 1: Disney fight to you know, Tucker being off the air.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fine, what makes you hope? What makes you optimistic?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, going back to what we opened with the fact

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Speaker 3: that I, you know, the fact that a lot of

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Speaker 3: this stuff doesn't necessarily have to affect how we interact

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Speaker 3: with this sounds kind of warm and fuzzy, but it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to interact the way that the way that

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Speaker 3: we interact with the people we actually know. I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: for me, apart from you know, meeting these people when

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Speaker 3: I go to like summits and conferences and just having

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Speaker 3: these these nice conversations where you might disagree on who's

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Speaker 3: the best Republican for twenty twenty four, there's still a

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Speaker 3: kind of camaraderie and that for me, that's really encouraging.

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Speaker 3: And then, obviously I don't know if this is exactly

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Speaker 3: where you want me to take this, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's really important to just remain grounded right now, like

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Speaker 3: I've been trying to spend more time with my wife

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Speaker 3: and kids, because there are bigger things than the political

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Speaker 3: and ultimately all of a lot of the problems that

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Speaker 3: we're discussing, they can't be fixed with quick political solutions,

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Speaker 3: and instead it has to start with ourselves and our communities,

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Speaker 3: our friendships, and ultimately our families.

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Speaker 1: So, oh no, I think that's exactly where I was

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Speaker 1: hoping you go, because that is the truth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no matter who wins the next election or whatever, it

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Speaker 1: is really all just our day to day that we live,

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Speaker 1: and to find meaning in it purpose and to make

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Speaker 1: it as worthwhile as possible is I think the first

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Speaker 1: order of business, even more so than mobilizing to the

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Speaker 1: polls or taking the fight to the Commis or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, we have to do. So well, said mister Pedro.

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Speaker 1: Where should people go to follow your work, read your latest?

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Speaker 3: You can follow me at Contra dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 3: I've got my socials there. I've got a column at

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Speaker 3: Chroniclesmagazine dot org. But again, if you want to follow

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Speaker 3: me on social media and keep up with all the

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Speaker 3: stuff that I do, including these kinds of talks, you

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Speaker 3: can go to my substack at contra dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 2: Pedro, thanks so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,