1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: having a fantastic Monday here as we roll through. Get 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: you ready for what is officially for a lot of 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: people the start of summer. I know, kids officially getting 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: out of school and one of the big topics we've had. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, encourage you as always go subscribe 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: to the podcast. Seventeen point five million of you downloaded 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast shows in the month of May. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: We want June to continue to set that number. It's 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: crazy to think about we're going to be well over 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: twenty million downloads as we roll into the midterm season. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: But a lot of you out there, as you are 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: paying attention to the insanity that's been going on in 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: the larger United States universe, have a ranking noys that 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that you never would have thought 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: would ever be an argument would be that men shouldn't 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,639 Speaker 1: be able to decide they want to compete against women. 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: And that's because we basically create massive differentiators for competition 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: in sports. Because we recognize that there are all sorts 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: of things that make competition unfair. For instance, kids play 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: against other kids their own age when they are growing up. 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: Boxers box against people who weigh around their own age 25 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: because a heavyweight boxer shouldn't be fighting a flyweight. People 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: who are bigger and stronger in boxing and combat sports 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't be competing against each other. I mean, this is 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: not controversial, but this past year, what has been inevitably 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: forecast and all the people told you it would never 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: come to reality began to come to pass in great magnitude, 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: which is men biological men decided they were identifying as 32 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: women and they would start to compete against women. And 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: this happened in a big way in college athletics with 34 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: a transgender swimmer from Penn swam on the men's team 35 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: for several years, decides that he is a woman, begins 36 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: to compete as a woman, and wins one of the 37 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: women swimming championships at the NC Double a event that 38 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: was a man who decided to now call himself Leah Thomas. 39 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: And so this is really the first real punchback I've 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: seen against this, and I want to read some of 41 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: the details here for you, Buck, and get your reaction. 42 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: The World Swimming governing body has effectively banned I'm reading 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: from the Associated Press, transgender athletes from competing in women events. 44 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: This happened yesterday. Members voted seventy one point five percent 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: of them, by the way, in favor of a new 46 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: policy that only permits swimmers who transitioned before age twelve 47 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: to compete in women's events. And so this situation that 48 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: just happened in the NC DOUBLEA in theory, under this 49 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: guideline would not be able to happen. Now, this is 50 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: a twenty four page policy analyzing all of this. Here's 51 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: the challenge, Buck, and this is why, while this is 52 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: the right result, I'm actually troubled by this exemption that 53 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: they put in, which is if you begin to transition 54 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: before the age of twelve, then you would still be 55 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: eligible to compete as a woman. My concern is this 56 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: is going to be used as evidence of those in 57 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: the transgender community that children being given puberty blockers, transitioning, 58 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: all of those things should be encouraged to happen. So 59 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: how do you assess this? On the one hand, yes, 60 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: biological men shouldn't be able to compete against women, The 61 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: downside here, though, is they've left open a loophole and exemption, 62 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: as it were, for people who transition or begin to 63 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: transition before puberty before the age of twelve. Well, one 64 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: thing I think we'll be fastening to watch this play 65 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: out is who that transitions before the age of twelve 66 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: is going to want to without the benefit of, yes, 67 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: all of those years of testosterone therapy, because really, what 68 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: are we talking about biological men also known as men 69 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: swimming against Okay, yes, so who is going to say, well, 70 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: I essentially was chemically castrated at a very young you know, 71 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: at age ten or eleven whatever, which we both agree, 72 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: by the way, as child abuse and should not be 73 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: happening at all. And it's interesting to see all these 74 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: people say, well, look at this practitioner or that practitioner. Um, 75 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure what we've seen in the last two 76 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: years is that blue check mds on Twitter who have 77 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: lots and lots of Ukraine flags and vaccine needles and 78 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: mask emojis on their profiles are not to be trusted 79 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: on matters of policy or judgment, and certainly not with 80 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: your kids. Um. But so I wonder if this is 81 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: even you know, effectively, you won't see the same kind 82 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: of dominat's the pond may not even arise as an 83 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: issue you under this, under this auspinity, because you know 84 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: it's it's about what's it's about what's fair. And so 85 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: if you don't have the biological advantage, as like Leah Thomas, 86 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: for example, has roughly ten years of testosterone therapy, natural 87 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: testosterone therapy that has changed muscle, bone structure, heart size, 88 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: all of this is sig six foot hashtag six foot 89 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: four as well hashtag science. Okay, so that's reality. What 90 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: we've seen is the Democrat party now wholesale embrace this 91 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: standard of We used to be a society where he 92 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: would say, are THEO is that male genitalia or female genitalia? 93 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: And you and I and everyone listening would say, pretty sure, 94 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: we can tell the difference when you ask though when 95 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: you're when you pose that question as a Democrat, now 96 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: the answer always must be it depends, it depends, not sure, 97 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: we could. This is what they say about babies, Clay. 98 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Remember they say, they say doctors get it wrong sometimes 99 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: when babies are born and they say it's a boy 100 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: or it's a girl, they are they are forcing people 101 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: to abandon their own most basic objective reality and sensibility 102 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: in favor of a political fad and fashion right now, 103 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: and that is what is happening all of the country. 104 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: It's happening in the school, it's happening in the boardrooms, 105 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: the number where else. They are demanding this of people. 106 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: And it all started, you know, years ago, it was oh, 107 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: let's just be uh, let's be courteous to each other, 108 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: let's be let's be civilized everybody, with which conservatives completely agree, right, 109 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: you treat human beings with dignity, decency, and kindness irrespective 110 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: of whatever the you know, the gender spectrum issues or 111 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But somehow that transitions, pardon the phrase, 112 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: in the last ten years too. Now, when you see 113 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: a six foot four guy dominating ncuba a female swimming, 114 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: you're you better clap and cheer or else you're a bigot. 115 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: So we've gone all the way now. It's doctors don't 116 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: know if a baby's male or female. They're just making 117 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: an educated guess. Does this happen that? That is what 118 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: they say, By the way, that's I know you know this, 119 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: but for everyone listening, I'm not trying to like that's 120 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: not This is what activists say. They say doctors get 121 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: it wrong, and they're basically guessing when a baby is born, 122 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and they say what the gender is. And I insist 123 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: on my right as a person, as a essentient beings, 124 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: as a rational human being, I insist on my ability 125 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: to say I can tell the difference between male and 126 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: female genitalia. I can tell the difference between a man 127 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: and a woman. They can. They can argue with me 128 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: as much as they want. They can, but you see, 129 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: they want you to concede. This is you know, I'm 130 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: always clad. I've been fascinated by the history of totalitarian 131 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: regimes of the last hundred years, and it's the more 132 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: aggressive lies that they want you to because if something 133 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: is a close call, if the judgment call, if there 134 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: are things on both sides you could sort of see. 135 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: That doesn't break your spirit, that doesn't make you give 136 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: in your rational faculties and say fine, I'll just do anything. 137 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: The whole point is to get you to affirm that 138 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: which you know to be untrue, because they degrade you 139 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: in the process. They degrade your ability to make your 140 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: own judgments on other things too, And that's part of 141 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: why this is so important to the Democrats to the 142 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: left in this moment in time. They seek to remake 143 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: and break society, and one of the ways they do 144 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: it is by telling you you fundamentally cannot tell the 145 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: difference between a man and a woman. You can't do it, 146 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: and they're wrong, and that's a lie. And that's why 147 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: on the swimming issue, finally, one organization is saying, look, 148 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you've been a man until until last year, 149 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: you have a physical advantage because of reality. I'm sorry 150 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: if that hurts some people's feelings. And it's amazing to 151 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: see the left wing freak out about this and act 152 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: like we don't see what reality is. But Clay, I 153 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: mean saying, but what do you think the crossover issage 154 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: and people say it's so bigoted not to let Leah 155 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Thomas swim against women under under these rules. The crossover 156 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: between that and people that are going to be so 157 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: excited if they have children to get their two year old, 158 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: not one, not two. But I think it's a three 159 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: dose vaccine. That's three doses. I have a huge overlap. 160 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: And what's also intriguing and fascinating to me buck about 161 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: this entire story is there's almost no one, almost no 162 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: one out there who is involved in the world of 163 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: sports at all that will argue in favor of this. 164 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: They either pretend the story doesn't exist, or they say 165 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: something like, well, you know, that's for the governing body 166 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: to decide. No one will say, even the far left 167 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: wing and you know now how far left wing the 168 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: sports universe is. There's nobody out there who's a strong 169 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: advocate for this. And here's another one that I saw. 170 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: Did you see Hillary Clinton came out and got asked 171 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: about it. We think Hillary, even though she's saying she 172 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: won't run, Hillary didn't and she's doing a lot of 173 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: things that would suggest she might be interested in running. 174 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: She did an interview at the Financial Times, and this 175 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: was the quote she was asked, Democrats seem to be 176 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: going out of their way to lose elections by elevating 177 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: activist causes, notably the transgender debate, which are relevant only 178 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: to a small minority. What sense does it make to 179 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: depend picked JK Rowling. Of course the Harry Potter author 180 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: as a fascist. That's the question she got asked, and 181 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: she said, you know, of course, we're standing on the 182 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: precipice of losing our democracy, and she basically said this, 183 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: we don't need to be focusing on transgender related issues 184 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: in the Democrat Party, even Hillary Clinton, which, by the way, 185 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: the trans community is not happy about this answer. But 186 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: Hillary is saying something that the vast majority of the 187 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: American population agrees with, and most Democrats won't even go there, right, 188 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: most Democrats, Joe Biden certainly doesn't. I would love, I 189 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: know Peter Doocy listens to the show. I would love 190 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: whenever Joe Biden is in front of the media again 191 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: for Peter Doocy to say, because this story is out there, 192 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: do you believe that biological men should be able to 193 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: compete against women like what happened with the pin transgender 194 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: swimmer or do you think this governing body it right? 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: Joe Biden one billion percent. He's seventy eight years old, 196 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: he's a sports fan. He's not in favor of guys 197 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: being able to identify as women and compete against them. 198 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: What would he say in response to that question, though, 199 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: how how handcuffed by the transgender community He'll do. He'll 200 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: do the good old Joe by the fireplace Grandpa routine 201 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: that you know, Unfortunately, idiots still fall for sometimes it's 202 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: not about you know, it's not about that. It's about 203 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, it's about middle class and you know it's 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: about you know, decency, common decency. He won't give an 205 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: actual answer. He will retreat, as he always does, to 206 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: platitudes for the idiotic, and that is that is this 207 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: guy's entire political career. Effectively, he won't but he certainly 208 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: won't say what everybody knows, which is that this is 209 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: absurd and this is outrageous. You know, one thing that 210 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: I thought about recently play is as as this transgender 211 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: sports thing, you know that they used to play the 212 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: game of wire. Republicans so focused on this, do you 213 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: even care so much? Which is always that's when they 214 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: know their argument is bad and they don't want the 215 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: American people paying attention. That's always a tell, well are 216 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: you oh, there's like two distract designed. This is a 217 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: huge movement, folks, we all see it. They want to 218 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, they want to drag your kids uh through 219 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: this agenda in school as well too. But as all 220 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: this is going on, I used to think, you know, 221 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: what needs to happen. The only way this comes apart 222 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: is if you were to have somebody who is like 223 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: a let's say a male basketball player of the you know, 224 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: of the physique of Lebron James, you know, would be amazing, 225 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, six foot eight to seven feet tall, you know, 226 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: can you know forty inch vertical? Whatever? Right? I mean, 227 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: just one of these guys who are are physical phenomenons, 228 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: are phenomena and have them play in the WNBA and 229 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: score one hundred points a game. I mean, this is 230 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: kind of the joke that um that uh James Chappelle 231 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: made that got him into trouble. Lebron James and score, 232 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred points a game. But what you 233 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: see now is that actually what the Democrat media would 234 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: do if that happened is stand and clap and say 235 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: it is stunning and brave that LEBRONA. James in this 236 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: example is scoring one hundred and thirty points a game. 237 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: This is what it means to be a good person 238 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: in America today. They would actually do it. They would 239 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: mouth the preferred slogans like the little marionettes of the 240 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: apparatus that they are. I also wonder how long could 241 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: a Lebron James play in the w NBA untily sixty five? 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, think about how big and strong and fast. 243 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: He would be even identifying as a woman. And by 244 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: the way, some of you out there who are esteemed 245 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: brilliant scholars of well, I think late nineties early nineties movies, 246 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: may remember this was the plot of a Damon Wayne's 247 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: film Juwanna Man. Do you remember Juanna Man buck at all? Yeah, 248 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: it's an esteemed member of the cannon. But the concept, 249 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't think the rotten tomatoes were very high on them. Yes, 250 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: but the concept is it was played for laughs. A 251 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: NBA star gets banned from playing in the league and 252 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: so decides to become a woman and disguise himself and 253 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: it was played for laughs. Then now I guess Joanna 254 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: Man would be a heroic film about the struggles of 255 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: a man inside of a woman's body, or vice versa, 256 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: or whatever the heck it is. If your business has 257 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: five or more employees and you navigated your way through COVID, 258 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: you're eligible to receive a payroll tax rebate of twenty 259 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars an employee. 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When you 278 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: get total enough of Fauci, welcome back to Welcome back 279 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: to Clay and Buck distortions, untruths. Fauci that was just 280 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: him a couple of days ago. Very very unhappy about 281 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: the distortions and untruths that are out there about health issues. 282 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: Here's Fauci May seventeen, twenty twenty one, almost exactly a 283 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: year ago. Play it. When people are vaccinated, they can 284 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: feel safe that they are not going to get infected. 285 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Oh wait, hold on a second, when they're vaccinated they 286 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: are safe that they are not going to get infected. 287 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: That was a year ago. That is entirely catastrophically, categorically untrue. 288 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: Clay has he ever said I'm sorry, I'm in a 289 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: little evil moron. No, he has not. No. And worse 290 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: than that, if you pointed to the data from Israel 291 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: and England, who wore ahead of US in vaccine distributions, 292 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: and you could see all of these people testing positive, 293 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: you were banned for even discussing that. As recent as 294 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: July of last year, President Biden was saying, if you 295 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: get the COVID shot, you won't get or spread COVID, 296 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: and you also will not die of COVID. 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We 321 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: need more criminals behind bars. We need more support for 322 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: law enforcement, period. But that doesn't mean cops are without flaws. 323 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: And as more and more of the details come out 324 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: surrounding the Uvalde school shooting, it becomes increasingly clear that 325 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: this was a failure of epic proportions when it comes 326 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: to the response that was brought to bear inside of 327 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: that school. Now, to reiterate for a lot of you 328 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: out there who may have forgotten some of the details, 329 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: this shooter went into the school two minutes later according 330 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: to the timeline, the first uve All Day police entered 331 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: in behind him. Reports are that they exchanged gunfire in 332 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: some way and for a long time. Basically, since this 333 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: story broke buck the report has been that the shooter 334 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: locked the door behind him in the classroom and they 335 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: couldn't find the key and they had to wait for 336 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: the right group to be able to breach that door. 337 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: Now there is a report that came out over the weekend, 338 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: and we increasingly don't know the most basic details here 339 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: that suggests the door may not have been locked at all, 340 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: and that there was therefore no need whatsoever to have 341 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: ever waited in the hallway while that madman was in 342 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: there with the kids and the teachers. This matters in 343 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: a massive way because he was left in there for 344 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: up to seventy five to seventy seven minutes before he 345 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: was finally challenged by the Border Patrol guys who went 346 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: in through that door. We still buck to my knowledge, 347 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen any photographs of these classrooms. Were there windows 348 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: that could have been accessible as opposed to the door. 349 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: But if the door was unlocked and they simply didn't 350 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: grab that door and swing it open, how many lives 351 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: were lost unnecessarily as people were in their wounded, bleeding 352 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: kids and teachers? And when will we know the full truth? 353 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: Because more and more this begins to look like one 354 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: of the most incompetent police responses we have ever seen 355 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: in a mass shooting situation, certainly inside of a school 356 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: in the post Columbine era. What was your reaction when 357 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: you saw that the door may not have been locked 358 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: at all. They're going to delay the final results of 359 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: the investigation as long as they possibly can, because there 360 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: is simply no way to explain the fact patterns the 361 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: reality that we've already seen here that does not make 362 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: it seem like a huge failure of command and procedure 363 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: on the ground, and to some of those folks involved, 364 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: what's even more troubling, perhaps a failure of nerve. This 365 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: is something that we don't often talk about. This is 366 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: something that you know, we just assume because we have 367 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: such an incredible military and such an incredible law enforcement 368 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: apparatus in this country, so many people that work in 369 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement, who will lay their lives down for their community, 370 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: for their country at a moment's notice. That that is 371 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: the case everywhere and with everyone. It is not, though 372 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: the case. There are always individual stances of people who 373 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: may freeze in the moment, who may lose their nerve, 374 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: and there is still reporting, for example, for anybody. And 375 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I know some people will get they almost take it 376 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: personally when you say, even if they're not members of 377 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: law enforcement, that some individuals from law enforcement may have 378 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: suffered from a moment or longer than that of cowardice 379 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: here that is possible. Some people take it very personally. 380 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I would want to know who had nothing to do 381 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: with this. Of course, they just seem to get very 382 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: upset at the notion. It deeply disturbs them to think 383 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: that there could be cowardice amongst some members of the 384 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: same way. When I was the NYPD Clay, they had 385 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: a term purps in uniform, which is what cops would 386 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: disparagingly refer to cops who actually break the law in 387 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: serious ways as and they say, we hate those guys 388 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: more than anybody because they make our lives miserable. Internal 389 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: affairs comes down and everybody. They make the job harder 390 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: for the ninety nine percent of officers who are doing 391 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: everything the right way. And so you know, we're speaking 392 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: about the less than one percent here in the possibility 393 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: of the degree of failure we saw in the Uvalde 394 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: response from law enforcement. There is still reporting I have 395 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: not seen it retracted that there was a girl who 396 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: shouted out and it's is one of these things you 397 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: read and it's just it's haunting. Who called out to 398 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: police outside the window um when they when they called in, 399 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: and then she was immediately executed by this mass murdering psychopath. 400 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: That was after police had already gotten into the hallway, 401 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: already in the building, multiple nine one one calls from inside, 402 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: so they knew there were surviving and they knew there 403 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: were still there were survivors in there. There were there 404 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: was a gunman. It is simply inexcusable that they did 405 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: not that these armed men who have who have guns, 406 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: who have body armor, that they did not try a 407 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: breach to stop the slaughter from going on. There is 408 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: no justification for it, and it's hard for people to hear, 409 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: especially I think a lot of people that believe very 410 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: strong in law enforcement, who believe as we do. But 411 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: remember when we opened up the lines, when this story 412 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: first started to come together in this way, every law 413 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: enforcement officer who called in said this was a massive failure. 414 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: This absolutely is an unacceptable response. So you know, we're 415 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: not We're not sitting here. We're not sitting here as 416 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: cheerleaders for any law enforcement action. That's not the way 417 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: we do. And in this case, I think the lessons 418 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: learned are going to be really hard ones for people 419 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: to take. And it also raises questions about Okay, you say, 420 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: if we just have a fast enough law enforcement response, 421 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: well that may not be sufficient. They were in two 422 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: minutes after he breached the school. How much faster should 423 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: have been In that It's almost impossible to think how 424 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: it could have been any faster. And I'm sorry the 425 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: Pulse Nightclub I talked about this, I believe with you 426 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: before Clay on the show. We started to talk about 427 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: an affair. The Pulse nightclub shooting was very similar. There 428 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: were SWAT teams on the scene very quickly at the 429 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida, and there was a long 430 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: wait before anybody and he was walking around shooting people 431 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: who were wounded, and they said, oh, we were worried 432 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: that maybe he had rigged the place with a bomb. Okay, 433 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: so you're you're going to take that concern above the 434 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: real time executions going on of defenseless people inside that nightclub. 435 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: So the policy there has to be a clear The 436 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: policy has to be if the active shooter is still 437 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: active and you have law enforcement the scene, they go 438 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: in and stop the threat, it can't be well, they 439 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: call for a negotiator and I know, I know, And 440 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: they were getting calls from inside of those classrooms from 441 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: teachers and students, so they knew there were still people alive. 442 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: And every profession is filled within perfection. Nobody is perfect 443 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: in the way that they would respond. And frankly, we 444 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: still don't know exactly the command structure or what those 445 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: officers who were arriving were being informed about what was 446 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: going going on there. But if that door was unlocked 447 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: and there were police within that school two minutes after, 448 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: and then there were dozens of police within five ten 449 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: minutes in that hallway, how in the world did they 450 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: not go in you You've been trained in tactical situations, Buck, 451 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about this at dinner on 452 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Friday night. We were out a lot of these police. 453 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: I read that the Uvalde Police had just been through 454 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: tactical training for how to respond in the event of 455 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: a school shooting. To have a failure of command and 456 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: response in this magnitude, at this situation is just devastating 457 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: to think about it. And I can't even imagine if 458 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: you had had a wounded child in there, and you 459 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: look back at the autopsy results and you think, my goodness, 460 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: maybe if I could have gotten in there within five minutes, 461 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: there wouldn't have been the loss of There would have 462 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: been an ability to treat some of these kids. Less 463 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: kids and teachers would have been shot, and maybe less 464 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: would have died. I don't know how you sleep at 465 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: night if you are involved in that police response. As 466 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: more and more of these details come out, the final 467 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: report I think will be very damning whenever it does 468 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: come out. Clay and I do believe that the bureaucracy 469 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: involved will slow road as long as possible because it 470 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: is such a such a gut punch. In addition to 471 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: the atrocity that occurred here that there could have there, 472 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: it seems there was such an entirely insufficient response. Again 473 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: not you know, Bortach went in. Their border patrol agents 474 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: went in as soon as they killed him. In credits 475 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: to those guys, but why were they not in the 476 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: Uvalde police faster were big supporters of police. That doesn't 477 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: mean that police are infallible in this situation, and increasingly 478 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: looks more and more indefensible. Most colleges are known for 479 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: the teaching that takes place on campus. 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That's Clay and Buck four Hillsdale dot com. 497 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back into the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 498 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna have our friend Tommy Laren of OutKick joining 499 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: in the next Arsh got a new show launching an 500 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: OutKick talked to her and just a little bit. Tommy's 501 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: always got a lot of stuff to say, and it 502 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: is amazing, Clay to see some of the ongoing back 503 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: and forth between members of the I think we could 504 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: call the elitist media because they're not elite, because they're good, 505 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: but they belonged to institutions, institutions that think they're better 506 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,239 Speaker 1: than everyone else. And we've had a few of these 507 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: fights recently. Even Bill Maher was saying recently that the 508 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: Washington Post writer who was now fired, so x Washington 509 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Post writer who came out and said that she thought 510 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: that Dave Weigel should be fired because he retweeted a joke, 511 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: and it was clearly a joke. He retweeted it, and 512 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: she wanted him gone. I also thought as fast to 513 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: watch that she Alicia snmes is her name now now 514 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: looking for work. I cannot recommend her journalistic credentials to 515 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: anybody out there, But she also, did you see, wanted 516 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: discipline against anybody who defended Weigel. So if someone does 517 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: something bad at your company and you say, hey, I 518 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: don't think that's so bad, the new position of the 519 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: shrill authoritarian, you know, postmodernist left is you need to 520 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: be punished for disagreeing with me that the person who 521 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: did the thing should be punished. I've never seen that 522 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: escalation before. That was interesting, but then it doesn't stop there. 523 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: Felicia Snmez is indicative of a more widespread reality among 524 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: leftist women in media these days, who simply not only 525 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: can they not take a joke, they refuse to allow 526 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: anyone to make a joke. Mattie Iglaciers Matthew Iglaziers is 527 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: a well known left wing guy who writes a lot 528 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: of stuff. He's actually he strikes me as among the 529 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: he's smart for a leftist. I think it's fair. I'm 530 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: not a big I don't know his worked very well, 531 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: but he's not like a joy Behar's what I'm saying. 532 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: He's not a total long right, He's a pretty pretty 533 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: clever guy. And he wrote this some personal news. I 534 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: have contracted the novel Coronavirus. Frankly, I think the virus 535 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: should respect Father's Day more than this. FYI, all future 536 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: typos are due to long COVID like these are what 537 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 1: we would call dad jokes, right, I mean on Father's Day, 538 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: no less, But this is you know, hey there, Clay 539 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: flew in from Vegas over the weekend and boy or 540 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: my arms tied like harmless corny jokes. Taylor Lorenz, who 541 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: likes to ruin people's lives for a living, using her 542 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: person to me to do so, responded to Mattie Glaciers 543 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: on this one. I'm glad it's a joke for you, 544 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: Matt and that you're lucky enough to get access to 545 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: great care. But for those who have had their lives 546 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: destroyed by the virus, and who have had loved ones 547 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: die from or suffer from long COVID, it's not funny. 548 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: Hope you can have a little more sympathy, especially today. 549 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: That is the quote she kept going. By the way, 550 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: there's more than that these people have. She is mentally ill. 551 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: There's something deeply ram with her. They have totally lost 552 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: their minds. You can't even make a joke about COVID 553 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: without I mean, and by the way, to your point, 554 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: it's clearly a dad joke, it's not a malicious joke 555 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: in nature. These people. Here's a good here's a good 556 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: way of thinking. Has there ever been a really great 557 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: person with an awful sense of humor? Like? Do you 558 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: think that there are really funny totalitarians most of the time? 559 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: The answer is no. I bet most terrorists don't sit 560 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: around making each other laugh all the time, because generally, 561 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: complete fealty to a dogma is the opposite of humor, 562 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: and increasingly that's what you see online from all these 563 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: blue check mark journalists. By the way, we've got a 564 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: couple of cops who want to weigh in on our 565 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: last discussion surrounding UVAL Day. Let's let Rick and Idaho 566 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: start us off. Rick, when you hear these details as 567 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: they continue to come out from Uval Day, your reaction 568 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: is what, Well, my reaction is this. And law enforcement, 569 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: you can either be first or third. You're either first 570 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: to the call, third to the call. Doesn't mean that 571 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: just because the guys are there that they're warriors. So 572 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: you have guys in law enforcement have been there for 573 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: years say they've never pulled their gun, never had to 574 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: do it. They were always third to the call. If 575 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: you're first to call, you're going to be in action. 576 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's the big difference. And a lot 577 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: of these guys we took calls on this. Your response, 578 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: based on all school shooter training is you keep going 579 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: until you get put down by the shooter. Right. That's 580 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: the reaction from Columbine based on all school shootings is 581 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: you never fall back and try to set up a perimeter. 582 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: You go, for lack of a better way, balls to 583 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: the wall until you can't anymore. And if you go down, 584 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: the next man up does the same. Right. Isn't that 585 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: the general training that should be in place in these situations, Well, 586 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: if they're trying to kill you, they can't be trying 587 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: to kill somebody out yea. So the ideas is that 588 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: you engage them. Hopefully your training and you're you know, 589 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of tactical work keeps you in the game, 590 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: and if they're trying to kill you, they can't kill 591 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: somebody based on the facts that we know so far. 592 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, I mean, is it your 593 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: assessment that some of the some of these law enforcement 594 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: officers in the hallway in a makeshift stack, they just 595 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: didn't want to go in. They were they were scared 596 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: they're going to get a hit by that a R fifteen. 597 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: What do you think That's it's hard to tell, you know, 598 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: because not everything's out. I think if they were under 599 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: if they were under orders not too then they should 600 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: have disobeyed those orders. Just like in a military law 601 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: enforcement you swear an oath, but part of that oath 602 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: is is that you have a right to refuse an 603 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: unlawful order. So if we were there and somebody said, hey, 604 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: we can't go in, we're going in. I mean, that's 605 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: just the way it is. Bob at North Carolina really 606 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: quickly he wanted to weigh in as well. Bob got 607 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: thirty seconds. Yeah, just a quick note, nobody's really talking 608 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: about where the shooter got his money several thousands of 609 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: dollars to purchase these weapons. My understanding, Bob, I'm sorry 610 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but my understanding is that he 611 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: worked at a Windy's. Yeah, he worked at a place 612 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: and save money. Of all his money, as you can 613 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: well imagine when you live at home and you don't 614 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: have to pay rent, he saved up all of his 615 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: money and that that seems to have been the source 616 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: for him to be able to purchase all of his weapons. 617 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: We got more coming up here in just a few 618 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: Like we said, Tommy Laren will be joining us at 619 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: the bottom of the next hour, so two thirty Eastern time. 620 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: And also I want to talk to you a bit 621 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: about what Portland is finding out from its experiment in 622 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: decriminalization and de facto legalization out in the streets of Portland. 623 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: What does it mean for that city and many others 624 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: stick around Fleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front 625 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: lines of truth. 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