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Speaker 1: way for The College World? Series i'm excited. TO i
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Speaker 2: Yet obviously we did the preview of just like the top,
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Speaker 2: think between like pro level talent on like A arkansas
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Speaker 2: i look at The arkansas. TEAM i know they're the,
Speaker 2: favorite and it's just it's so hard to poke a
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Speaker 2: lsu is a.
Speaker 1: FORCE i love the shot On Coasta, carolina AND i
Speaker 1: loved what their manager was saying after their, game where
Speaker 1: people were asking, him is this Is cinderella's story and
Speaker 1: he was, like stop all, That stop all. That we
Speaker 1: have like the ninth most wins in college baseball. History
Speaker 1: we've been To omaha multiple. Times this team won. It
Speaker 1: they've won it. Right they have this crazy streak of
Speaker 1: winning series dating Into omaha as, well And i'd have
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Speaker 1: in this. Tournament this tournament is wide open butt at
Speaker 1: the same, Time arkansas AND lsu are. Juggernauts and doesn't
Speaker 1: it always feel, like especially In March, madness in the
Speaker 1: years that the field is wide, open the favorite wins
Speaker 1: it and when everyone's thinking about the, favorites someone from
Speaker 1: wide open makes. It that's how it feels to me
Speaker 1: that everyone's looking for that Next cinderella story and it'll
Speaker 1: end up Being arkansas TO. Lsu so you will see
Speaker 1: my pick coming out very. Soon but it's time to
Speaker 1: Talk Major League baseball and our first underrated, storyline The Blue.
Speaker 1: Jays The Toronto Blue jays offense Since may first has
Speaker 1: been fantastic and they are now the first wild card
Speaker 1: team in The American. League they rank third and batting average,
Speaker 1: third and runs third AND obp, fourth AND ops, third
Speaker 1: AND wrc plus and first in f. War led By
Speaker 1: Alejandro kirk who has been. Awesome your favorite Player Addison
Speaker 1: barger of, Course, Vladdie George, Springer Nathan, Lucas, Bobashett Ernie.
Speaker 1: Clement all of those names have A wrc plus above
Speaker 1: one point. Fifteen The Blue jays right we're recording On
Speaker 1: wednesday before they play against The, cardinals but they went
Speaker 1: Into Saint louis and won the first two games of
Speaker 1: that series that are going for the. Sweep With Eric
Speaker 1: lauer on the, mound who's also been awesome for, them
Speaker 1: The Blue jays are just.
Speaker 2: Rolling it's it's funny BECAUSE i had the one tweet
Speaker 2: THAT i guess just kind of got to To Blue
Speaker 2: jays fans About Andre. Samenez it's, LIKE i still can't
Speaker 2: fathom how they took on that contract and parted with
Speaker 2: assets to do, It and then since, THEN i think
Speaker 2: he's actually been swinging it a lot. Better but what's amazing,
Speaker 2: is like we talked about, it like how valuable is
Speaker 2: second base, Defense, well if the rest of your lineup
Speaker 2: is raking a lot more, valuable the problem was like
Speaker 2: when you had just a glove for a second basement
Speaker 2: early in the year and the rest of your team
Speaker 2: wasn't really swinging it like it's, like, well we need
Speaker 2: offense wherever we can get, it and it's kind of
Speaker 2: tough to punt a position right. There but right, NOW i,
Speaker 2: mean you look across that, lineup but you already laid
Speaker 2: it all. Out but what's amazing to me, is, yeah
Speaker 2: LIKE i honestly didn't know That Boba schet has already
Speaker 2: gotten his IS wrc plus backup over one hundred at one.
Speaker 2: TEN i clearly you couldn't Miss kirk doing what he was.
Speaker 2: Doing but Even, springer who got off to that like
Speaker 2: nuclear start to the, season yeah he slowed, down but
Speaker 2: he's still's playing really. Well so you look top to
Speaker 2: bottom in this, lineup it's a lot of above average offensive.
Speaker 2: Production and THEN i do like the, bench Like Miles
Speaker 2: straw is back to usable. Again i'm so pumped For
Speaker 2: davis being. Back AND i know he's not playing a,
Speaker 2: ton But David schneider is absolutely a guy that is
Speaker 2: an asset off the bench to crush lefts and can
Speaker 2: plug in at different. Spots Tyler heineman's been the best
Speaker 2: player on the, planet as you mentioned, before AND i
Speaker 2: still Think allan Road in like it was a really
Speaker 2: rough big league. Debut this guy's a good. Player he's
Speaker 2: going to settle in, eventually AND i think he's starting
Speaker 2: to even a little. Bit they don't have like the,
Speaker 2: crazy crazy, firepower but you're seeing a lot of guys
Speaker 2: take a step. Forward maybe guys that were underperforming last
Speaker 2: year getting back to where they can. Be and maybe
Speaker 2: there's some length to this lineup now all of a,
Speaker 2: sudden if The bargers of the world can keep it,
Speaker 2: up and.
Speaker 1: It's got to be so refreshing for The Blue jays
Speaker 1: in their past couple of, games at least in the past,
Speaker 1: week they get punched in the mouth and then they
Speaker 1: punch right, back and it's really everybody in this lineup
Speaker 1: kind of doing their. Part when normally Watching Blue jays
Speaker 1: games over the past couple of, years there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of fight in this. Team when they go, down
Speaker 1: they don't often come. Back you, know when they, win they,
Speaker 1: Win but there wasn't a lot of that you, know,
Speaker 1: magic that, grit AND i see it in this. Lineup
Speaker 1: and speaking about, grit guy with AN ops with two,
Speaker 1: strikes who leads AN ops when there's two strikes against?
Speaker 1: Him Alejandro, Kirk.
Speaker 2: YEAH i GOTTA i gotta APOLOGIZE i clown that. EXTENSION
Speaker 2: i Think jack did, too so make him apologize to
Speaker 2: OH i will. FANS I i didn't like the. EXTENSION
Speaker 2: i really. DIDN'T i thought it WAS i didn't Think
Speaker 2: kirk was the type of player THAT i would want
Speaker 2: to give that kind of extension. Too BUT i think
Speaker 2: you look at, it even though the last couple of,
Speaker 2: years even when he was leaving a bit to be desired,
Speaker 2: offensively he was still turning in a two three and
Speaker 2: a two to eight f four because he's defending well
Speaker 2: and he's receiving so. Well so you imagine if he
Speaker 2: can get close to what he was doing offensively in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, two that's a four win season. There SO
Speaker 2: i think potentially a little too harsh On, kirk who
Speaker 2: sneaky also still just twenty. Six, yeah fuck, nuts he
Speaker 2: debuted at twenty one years. Old i'm, sorry LIKE i
Speaker 2: was WRONG i think, this and not just because he
Speaker 2: off to a good start this. Year it kind of
Speaker 2: forced me to reframe my thought. PROCESS i was just
Speaker 2: talking about how the offensive barrier is so low to
Speaker 2: be a regular catcher if you're a decent, catcher And
Speaker 2: kirk has turned himself into, that SO i, mean it's
Speaker 2: been cool to see and if you look at the expected,
Speaker 2: stats he's actually been a little. Unlucky SO i had
Speaker 2: not known what to do with this, team and you,
Speaker 2: know it's been difficult comparing them to The. Rays but
Speaker 2: NOW i think they're separating. Themselves we'll see if they
Speaker 2: can continue to build on. It but the most fascinating
Speaker 2: part THAT i keep going back to is you Have
Speaker 2: Anthony santandre and we're gonna talk a little bit more
Speaker 2: about him in a, moment And Dalton varshow on THE
Speaker 2: IL i Mean. Varshow of, course you know he's gonna
Speaker 2: get up there and he's gonna defend an elite clip
Speaker 2: at the very least and run into some, homers But
Speaker 2: santan there like at this, point for the offense to
Speaker 2: be doing what it's doing without, him you got to
Speaker 2: feel really good because you have some concern, that, like
Speaker 2: maybe he comes back and still doesn't play, better but
Speaker 2: you also have this idea that what if he does,
Speaker 2: Right SO i think it's it's really encouraging to see
Speaker 2: them performing without. Him and then so then if he
Speaker 2: does come back and he struggles still, continuously you know
Speaker 2: that the offense can weather the. Storm but you also
Speaker 2: have this idea, That, okay, well if he gets back
Speaker 2: to anything close to what he was last, year think
Speaker 2: about where that could elevate this offense even.
Speaker 1: Further just to wrap up on The kirk, part walking
Speaker 1: nine point two, percent only striking out five point eight.
Speaker 1: Percent may he's. Hitting he's hitting three ninety three with
Speaker 1: a one to seventy FIVE wrc plus and he's put
Speaker 1: up two point oh f war because his defense is
Speaker 1: the lead on top of. IT i, mean everything is
Speaker 1: working for. Him we talk about Cal. Rawly we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about another underrated catcher, later but, REALLY i, mean
Speaker 1: we talked About Jeremy pana potentially being the most underrated
Speaker 1: player in baseball this. YEAR i, mean Is Alejandro kirk not?
Speaker 2: Second he, Might i'm looking at the underlying, data, dude holy,
Speaker 2: good totally. Good moron a ninety percentile of one oh
Speaker 2: eight and a hard hit rate of fifty seven. Percent
Speaker 2: this old muscle amster is ripping, balls.
Speaker 1: Ripping, balls playing great, defense receiving behind the, plate and
Speaker 1: The Blue jays pitching has also been great as. Well but,
Speaker 1: yeah dating back or dating, back going back To Anthony
Speaker 1: santander five, years ninety two and a half, million and
Speaker 1: he's gotten off to a horrendous, start and he's all
Speaker 1: obviously been in it as. WELL i was listening to
Speaker 1: Some Blue jays talk on, YouTube and the hosts on that,
Speaker 1: SHOW i forget what show it. WAS i just clicked
Speaker 1: it come. BACK i, KNOW i, KNOW i comed.
Speaker 2: UP i was just.
Speaker 1: Watching, it SO i can't give.
Speaker 2: CREDIT i.
Speaker 1: Apologize but what they were saying is that they think
Speaker 1: That santander was playing through this injury and really trying
Speaker 1: to prove it to the. Fans, now, again that was their,
Speaker 1: guess but the way they broke it, DOWN i was,
Speaker 1: LIKE i kind of get.
Speaker 2: IT i, mean it's not. Bad, no he's not this.
Speaker 2: Bad we said he was a yellow flag free, agent but,
Speaker 2: like come, on, yeah he's a decent. Hitter he shouldn't
Speaker 2: be this. BAD i MEAN i, COULD i could understand.
Speaker 1: That in twenty one games Since may, ONE i, mean
Speaker 1: he's hitting one eighty. Six but, really the telltale stat
Speaker 1: to me is a two eighty six slugging. Percentage, yeah
Speaker 1: even When santander is not doing, well he's still going
Speaker 1: to clip a few home, runs you, know every couple of, days,
Speaker 1: right he only has two home runs in those twenty
Speaker 1: one games and almost no extra base, Hits like that's
Speaker 1: Not anthony Sonton. Den even with the yellow. Flag we
Speaker 1: were more talking, About, yeah the defense is not something
Speaker 1: that you're going to. Like he's probably not going to
Speaker 1: hit for a very high. Average he's probably going to
Speaker 1: strike out a decent, bit but he's still going to
Speaker 1: slug four sixty to five hundred and give you enough
Speaker 1: value to make you think this contract isn't that. Bad
Speaker 1: that WAS i think our view of, it real.
Speaker 2: Walk and that was the. Concerns it was, Like, okay
Speaker 2: he's got to, hit you, know thirty plus homers to
Speaker 2: get that ops to the high seven. Hundreds but again
Speaker 2: thought he could do something close to.
Speaker 1: That and the offense has been leading this, team but
Speaker 1: they've also gotten some excellent pitching, performances both in the
Speaker 1: bullpen and the starting, rotation and they have been one
Speaker 1: of the better pitching staffs in baseball Since may, First,
Speaker 1: wow and been one of the better bullpens Without Jeff.
Speaker 1: Hoffman Jeff hoffman Since may first has thrown fourteen, Innings
Speaker 1: he's got a ten point four to THREE era and
Speaker 1: another great reliever that they have or at least he's
Speaker 1: been in the. Past Chad green has also been one
Speaker 1: of their worst pitchers with a four to seven. Zero
Speaker 1: But Yarijo rodriguez has found a home in this bullpen
Speaker 1: in fifteen appearances over nineteen and two, thirds he's got
Speaker 1: a one to three. Seven Brendan little can basically say
Speaker 1: the same thing with a one five to. Nine Eric
Speaker 1: lauer has entered this rotation and dominated to a one
Speaker 1: six foury E raa in twenty two, innings And Jose
Speaker 1: brios is Doing jose brio shit and they're the eight
Speaker 1: innings to a two seven, Seven.
Speaker 2: And they're doing that With Bouten francis basically being a
Speaker 2: third down puns every single, time And.
Speaker 1: Jeff hoffman even.
Speaker 2: Worse, yeah also time Out Alantro kirk with two. STRIKES
Speaker 2: i know you said the, ops but he's slashing three
Speaker 2: point fifty four three ninety, eight four ninety five with two.
Speaker 2: Strikes he's. Unbelievable he's. UNBELIEVABLE i DON'T i don't. Understand i'm,
Speaker 2: MIGHT i might just it's peak male. Performance I'm i'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry Blue Jays toronto. Everything also The Max chercher's thumb
Speaker 2: once he deems it good to. Go that's he can't.
Speaker 2: Be he cannot be worse than doubt In. FRANCIS i
Speaker 2: PROMISE i. WOULD i would guarantee. That and THEN i
Speaker 2: think at some point this year we're gonna get the
Speaker 2: the return Of Alec. Manoa that'll be an interesting scenario.
Speaker 2: There and also it's trickled. DOWN i was ready to
Speaker 2: jump ship on Our Elvis martinez fully AND i kind
Speaker 2: of did when we did Our Blue jays. Rankings that
Speaker 2: guy's been going nuclear basically ever since we put out
Speaker 2: Our Blue jays. Rankings so even in TRIPLE a Or
Speaker 2: Elvis martinez showing signs of, LIFE i don't never. Mind
Speaker 2: actually he showed signs of life and now he's out
Speaker 2: for his last. SIXTEEN i was about to pull it.
Speaker 2: Up he had homered four times in three, games and
Speaker 2: then since then he's oh for his last. Fifteen but
Speaker 2: he was doing. Stuff Could TREY.
Speaker 1: A savage helped this team this?
Speaker 2: Year, Yes so That's i'm glad you mentioned. That, ALSO
Speaker 2: i was just catching up With Joey lil brafdo horrible first.
Speaker 2: Month he has been going nuts and triple as over
Speaker 2: the Let it's.
Speaker 1: Amazing In toronto right. Now and they were also LIKE
Speaker 1: jacki even mentioned he was like they built a barrier In,
Speaker 1: toronto like once you go, there it's a graveyard for other.
Speaker 1: Teams The Blue jays are one of the best home
Speaker 1: teams in.
Speaker 2: Baseball it's incredibly. Fast twenty five games for Liw braffito
Speaker 2: three twenty, six, four twenty, three four eighty five or forty. Three,
Speaker 2: uh it's a nine oh six oh. Ps so like
Speaker 2: even some guys that they could potentially move for more
Speaker 2: pitching if they wanted. To, You, savage, though to answer your,
Speaker 2: question people might be, like, oh but he started in
Speaker 2: Low a and like you, know he was there for six.
Speaker 2: Starts no way they're they're gonna be so bullish that
Speaker 2: they bring him up to the big. Leags, NO i
Speaker 2: think you're about to see this thing going to hyper.
Speaker 2: Drive they wanted to be careful with, You. Savage have
Speaker 2: him pitch in warm. Weather there's no bigger. GAP i
Speaker 2: think geographically from one like Low way To High a
Speaker 2: then Dunn, Eeden florida To, Vancouver. Canada like so they
Speaker 2: didn't really want, You. SAVAGE i think throwing in the
Speaker 2: cold early in the, year so far away from the
Speaker 2: complex so, like, dude you're gonna Dominate HIGH a hitters
Speaker 2: OR loway hitters the same, thing you might as well
Speaker 2: just be focusing on yourself and your. Stuff so he
Speaker 2: made more starts at low way than people would have.
Speaker 2: Expected then he only needed to make four starts In
Speaker 2: HIGH a where they're like all, right seen, enough and
Speaker 2: he's already up in Double SO i think WHEN i
Speaker 2: wrote up my draft report on, HIM i, SAID i
Speaker 2: think he could be the first, arm you, know from
Speaker 2: that draft into the big. LEAGUES i think there's still
Speaker 2: a chance that he could be one of the first
Speaker 2: guys up, there AND i wouldn't rule out him getting
Speaker 2: up there to help them this.
Speaker 1: Year, Interesting so The Blue, jays The Blue jays are freaking.
Speaker 2: Awesome so, Yeah i'm just gonna totally upend EVERYTHING i said.
Speaker 2: Before maybe they Get Jimmy garcia, back you, Know Nick
Speaker 2: sandlin in the bullpen as, Well like all of a,
Speaker 2: sudden they've got some more, options so they're gonna be
Speaker 2: buyers and.
Speaker 1: They can make the. PLAYOFFS i, mean The American league,
Speaker 1: stinks it. DOES i, mean you, know it's like one
Speaker 1: team goes on a little bit of a run and
Speaker 1: they're automatically one of the best teams in The American.
Speaker 1: League The ashers are playing great. Baseball they're now the
Speaker 1: third favorite to win The American League pennant just because
Speaker 1: they won a few games in a row and they've
Speaker 1: been playing good. Baseball i'm not trying to take anything
Speaker 1: away from. Them it's just to show that The American
Speaker 1: league is so wide. OPEN i, mean nobody in The
Speaker 1: central outside of The tigers has really taken hold The
Speaker 1: American League. EAST i, mean The Blue jays are in,
Speaker 1: second The rays are playing, okay The Red sox are
Speaker 1: not playing all that, well and we know what's happening
Speaker 1: with The. Orioles The mariners are on a. Slide The
Speaker 1: rangers are below The, angels The Blue. Jays The Blue
Speaker 1: jays might be the first team with the wild. Card
Speaker 1: they could make some.
Speaker 2: Noise why. NOT i just feel Like i'm just like,
Speaker 2: AGAIN i feel like The Mike Francis laudhouse clips where
Speaker 2: it's just like if you just paired WHAT i said
Speaker 2: like two weeks ago against The Blue jays about The
Speaker 2: Blue jays against What i'm saying, NOW i just be
Speaker 2: arguing with. Myself BUT i, mean that's, baseball, though it's so. Fluid,
Speaker 2: also just to If Blue jays fans are is feeling super,
Speaker 2: Giddy i'll give you one more positive on our top one.
Speaker 2: Hundred one of the biggest risers Was argienamala from ninety
Speaker 2: seven to. FIFTY i think so like it's it's all
Speaker 2: of a sudden positive times with The Blue jays over?
Speaker 1: Here is it time to Extend Ross.
Speaker 2: Atkins let's not get carried.
Speaker 1: Away get carried away all, Right let's go over to
Speaker 1: The Chicago. Cubs and when you Think Chicago, cubs you think,
Speaker 1: offense and you think about a couple of really good
Speaker 1: starting pitching performances, lately and what you don't think about
Speaker 1: is the. Bullpen and what have we been talking about
Speaker 1: all season? Long cubs got to upgrade this. Bullpen that
Speaker 1: is the one major hole in this. TEAM i think
Speaker 1: they felt. Disrespected they have been just dominating since Since may,
Speaker 1: first The Chicago cubs bullpen has a two to FIVE
Speaker 1: era ranks number one in, baseball one point zero nine
Speaker 1: whip second In Major League, baseball and they've only blown
Speaker 1: one save that is the least in. Baseball, again Since may,
Speaker 1: first rum they have four relievers who haven't allowed a
Speaker 1: run Since may? First could you guess?
Speaker 2: Them or Since may? FIRST i know it's gotta be
Speaker 2: Uh Drew. Palmeran's and the only Reason i've kept tabs
Speaker 2: on him is because Just baseball broke that him signing
Speaker 2: with The, mariners which he's not even with them anymore this?
Speaker 1: Year is that the best signing of the? Offseason kind
Speaker 1: of like did they claim?
Speaker 2: Him how they even get?
Speaker 1: Him who reported it? REPORTED i reported.
Speaker 2: The signing The. MARINERS i don't know how how he
Speaker 2: got to The. Cubs polenty has been. Stupid he's been.
Speaker 1: Stupid he has five, saves he's been, electric but he
Speaker 1: has allowed to. Run he's got a one point eight
Speaker 1: eight E ra and fourteen. Innings i'll give you a.
Speaker 1: Hint two of the guys are former failed, starters and
Speaker 1: then the other guy is just an old. Left you Keep.
Speaker 2: Chris flexen out, here just Just chriss and.
Speaker 1: Zeros Chris flexen has thrown seventeen, innings he's striking out
Speaker 1: five per, nine and he's got a ZERO era Since may.
Speaker 2: First you, Know i'm looking at how they acquired each
Speaker 2: of these guys to the whole. Bullpen it's. All none
Speaker 2: of them are internal it's free agent in twenty, five
Speaker 2: free agent in twenty, five free agent in twenty. Four
Speaker 2: trade twenty, five purchased They so they Purchased Drew palmerance twenty,
Speaker 2: five like twenty five in a year, Obviously Brad keller
Speaker 2: free agent twenty, Five Ryan presley trade twenty. Five the
Speaker 2: only homegrown arm currently in their bullpen that has been
Speaker 2: acquired outside of the last two years Is Daniel.
Speaker 1: Plancia your two FAVORITE, Gms Jed hoyer And Ross atkins are, geniuses.
Speaker 2: GENUS i Like Hoyer Ross, adkins, well BUT i, mean
Speaker 2: but the thing, is it's, LIKE i would look at
Speaker 2: this scenario right, Now oh my, gosh we are so.
Speaker 2: Fortunate let's let's bolster this bullpin. Up that's so LIKE
Speaker 2: i just like It's. STILBAR i hate basing that guy
Speaker 2: IN mlb the. Show it's it's it's a tunneling, nightmare
Speaker 2: no doubt about.
Speaker 1: It but and he's a tunneling nightmare in real. Life
Speaker 1: twelve and two thirds no runs. Allowed and that last.
Speaker 1: Guy so it Was Chris flex And Drew, Pomeranz Caleb
Speaker 1: thielbar And Brad, keller just the four. Horsemen here's the, problem,
Speaker 1: though here's support a little water on. This there's one
Speaker 1: guy in this bullpen averaging more than nine, strikeouts more
Speaker 1: than a, Strikeout, Perenny what you don't like getting? Outs
Speaker 1: you're not a fan of grounders and.
Speaker 2: FLYOUTS i prefer my my at least a couple big wiff.
Speaker 2: GUYS i mean they GOT i mean this is super. Encouraging, Again,
Speaker 2: daniel revolving door of middle relief. Guys it.
Speaker 1: Is but those revolving door guys are. Awesome, now, yeah
Speaker 1: like you were, right except the door is not. Revolving
Speaker 1: they're mainstays and they're. Shoving.
Speaker 2: Yep SO i mean it's it's. WILD i do you
Speaker 2: think it continues?
Speaker 1: THOUGH i, mean DO i Think caleb Thielbar Drew, Pomeranz
Speaker 1: Chris flex And Brad keller start allowing rudds? Eventually, NO i.
Speaker 1: DON'T i think it's gonna be. Incredible, NO i mean they.
Speaker 1: Are The cubs need to bolster their. Bullpen but in
Speaker 1: a time where you Lost, Steel shoda is still not back,
Speaker 1: yet you need them to come through for you in
Speaker 1: the meantime until you get to the, Deadline like can
Speaker 1: they withstand the heat Until Jed hoyer is able to
Speaker 1: go get bullpen. Arms, YES i, do and that's all
Speaker 1: they need because the offense is so good and the
Speaker 1: starting rotation is pretty damn. SOLID i, Mean Kate horton
Speaker 1: is still trying to settle in a little. Bit you
Speaker 1: See Colin ray start to regress a little. Bit and
Speaker 1: then WHEN i look at the bullpen and the only
Speaker 1: guy who hasn't been any good Is Ryan, presley like
Speaker 1: a guy that they brought in so ALMOST i don't
Speaker 1: Want Jed hoyer going after like good relievers get the
Speaker 1: worst guys in the world who are old as.
Speaker 2: Shit they're all like thirty eight thirty seven. Too this
Speaker 2: reminds me of like twenty Seventeen marlins that people were
Speaker 2: talking About Marlins fnce for saying, like, oh, yeah you,
Speaker 2: know the rotation has always been an issue with the
Speaker 2: yell At, stanton you, KNOW i was doing the Room utah.
Speaker 2: Teams so they decided to build a super, pen and
Speaker 2: by super, pen it Was Jeni chizawa and who was
Speaker 2: horrible in a thirty seven year old brad. Zieglor it
Speaker 2: turned out to not be a super. Pen BUT i
Speaker 2: THINK i think this is there's more options. Here there's
Speaker 2: of these older. Guys there's a lot of, options and
Speaker 2: then of course they're gonna go get get a leverage
Speaker 2: arm at some, POINT i. Think but the big part
Speaker 2: is they needed guys that could even just get them to.
Speaker 2: LEVERAGE i didn't think they even had that at points
Speaker 2: going into this. Year so they clearly have, That and
Speaker 2: and that's a really encouraging aspect of this.
Speaker 1: Whole do you think that The cubs bullpen has the
Speaker 1: earliest bedtime among any unit in? Baseball very.
Speaker 2: Possible they need to Add kakuchi to that bullpen so
Speaker 2: to really push it across the finish.
Speaker 1: Line, well, no Isn't isn't he not an early bedtime.
Speaker 1: Guy he's just when he goes to, bed he's waking
Speaker 1: up about an hour before the.
Speaker 2: Game when you sleep fifteen, hours you're you're you're going
Speaker 2: to bed early and you're sleeping in.
Speaker 1: Late it's still one of my favorite. Stories it's since
Speaker 1: we start, covering since we started doing The Just Baseball,
Speaker 1: show that you Say kauchi sleeves like twelve to fifteen
Speaker 1: hours a, Night, well it.
Speaker 2: Was awesome because, like, yeah he struggled today because he
Speaker 2: only got nine.
Speaker 1: Hours, yeah it's, like what are you A. Toddler it's.
Speaker 2: Sick he's recovering like none, other.
Speaker 1: And he's just coming off a pretty damn good. Performance all,
Speaker 1: right next one. Up Matt chapman unfortunately got. Injured And Patrick,
Speaker 1: lyons WHO i think is such a phenomenal, writer he
Speaker 1: just wrote up The giants Note, book which is a
Speaker 1: bunch of different notes On, Chapman Willia, damez And Casey,
Speaker 1: schmidt and he was there to kind of break it.
Speaker 1: Down So chapman was placed on the ten day injured
Speaker 1: list for right hand inflammation On, tuesday retroactive To june.
Speaker 1: Ninth diving back to first base On, sunday he jammed
Speaker 1: his throwing. Hand but the tough, GUY i, mean he's
Speaker 1: stayed in the, game but the injury clearly got to
Speaker 1: a point where he couldn't stomach. It and then Manager
Speaker 1: Bob melvin said On, tuesday AND i quote from the,
Speaker 1: article how long it's going to be is still to be.
Speaker 1: Determined he's going to see Doctor Stephen shin On friday IN.
Speaker 1: La we'll have a better idea on how far it's
Speaker 1: going to, be but it could be more than ten.
Speaker 1: Days not ideal for A giants team that is looking for.
Speaker 1: Bats but at the same time that great comeback Against
Speaker 1: colorado On, tuesday and they have won six straight as
Speaker 1: we are. Recording we'll see if they push it to
Speaker 1: seven against The rockies. Again Casey, schmidt your guys about
Speaker 1: to fill. In what do you think when you hear THIS, O.
Speaker 2: Well i'm happy For. Casey the one thing that no
Speaker 2: one's going to be able to match the defense of
Speaker 2: A Matt. Chapman but at least what you're gonna plug
Speaker 2: in a guy at third base who can really pick,
Speaker 2: it you. KNOW i, mean this is a guy that
Speaker 2: was a third baseman in college and is so good
Speaker 2: defensively that they've stuck him at shortstop a lot in
Speaker 2: his big league career so, far which IS i think
Speaker 2: something that he didn't have a ton of experience, doing
Speaker 2: SO i think playing a regular third, base he's going
Speaker 2: to grade out much better than the overall defensive numbers
Speaker 2: have probably shown this. Far definitely excited about that side of,
Speaker 2: things but there's no doubting the offensive hit that they take,
Speaker 2: there BECAUSE i, MEAN i just look straight To Willia
Speaker 2: domis AND i, say like it's time to get going,
Speaker 2: Now like you got to really really get going here
Speaker 2: because he needs to pick up the. Slack you look
Speaker 2: across the rest of the. Lineup you Know ramos is
Speaker 2: going to do his. Thing you Know Jung hooley's going
Speaker 2: to do his, thing and you Know Wilmer flores is
Speaker 2: going to give, you you, know solid power here and.
Speaker 2: There but who else is gonna step?
Speaker 1: Up?
Speaker 2: Right LIKE i know that they moved off Of Lamont,
Speaker 2: leay is Dom smith gonna be much of a, Difference,
Speaker 2: like uh, Yes scramski's a league average. Hitter who is
Speaker 2: going to pick up the? Slack it has to Be
Speaker 2: Willia Domis and that's WHERE i look. There but then you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i think you look at A Casey schmidt and
Speaker 2: just if he can give you a close to the
Speaker 2: league average offense and pick it well at, third it's
Speaker 2: gonna help hold it. Down but someone needs to fill
Speaker 2: in on what was you, KNOW i think some of
Speaker 2: their best production and one of the few guys in
Speaker 2: that lineup THAT i think you can you can fear
Speaker 2: at points from a power.
Speaker 1: Perspective to quantify the slack that The giants are gonna
Speaker 1: have to pick. Up Since may, First chapman has a
Speaker 1: one forty NINE wrc plus second on the team To
Speaker 1: Elliott ramos while leading the team in f war and
Speaker 1: hitting seven home. Runs he was playing, great and he
Speaker 1: has just been playing, Great like he's signed with The,
Speaker 1: giants and you think to, yourself huge, ballpark probably just
Speaker 1: going to maybe not finish out his, career but probably
Speaker 1: just take a step back, offensively.
Speaker 2: Kind of be like What aeronato is now a little.
Speaker 1: Exactly but instead he has been one of the best
Speaker 1: third basement in baseball and then's just continued that this.
Speaker 1: Year so this is a big. Hole AND i love
Speaker 1: the point that you were talking About. Adams it has
Speaker 1: to be. HIM i, mean you signed a huge contract
Speaker 1: this offseason a couple of months to kind of get yourself.
Speaker 1: Settled he did hit a big home run On. Tuesday
Speaker 1: again it's against The, rockies so it's, like but.
Speaker 2: You cannot get him to come back against The rockies
Speaker 2: or is an evading? DEFEAT i mean The rockies did
Speaker 2: try and.
Speaker 1: Lose that is.
Speaker 2: Accurate like they remind me of The South park episode
Speaker 2: where like none of the kids want to play, baseball
Speaker 2: so they both try to, lose and they're like playing each,
Speaker 2: other trying to lose against each. Other so they don't
Speaker 2: have to play baseball. Anymore like that's The.
Speaker 1: Rockies feel like your, Guy Zach Agnes zira is.
Speaker 2: Climbing don't, worry my, Guy we'll lock, in don't you.
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Speaker 1: jack's favorite player starting to decrease a little, bit starting
Speaker 1: to not a great downward. Trend But Jake, Bird Jake Freaking,
Speaker 1: bird an elite reliever coming off two perfect innings against
Speaker 1: The giants On, tuesday with five, strikeouts lowering HIS era
Speaker 1: to one four to. One he has thrown twenty two
Speaker 1: innings At Coors field this. Year did you see my?
Speaker 1: Tweet do you know how many earn runs he's allowed
Speaker 1: at home this? Year?
Speaker 2: NO i didn't see that.
Speaker 1: One what one earned run at? Home two? Runs technically
Speaker 1: only one of them has been. Earned it's like a
Speaker 1: zero FOUR, era and it isn't really.
Speaker 2: Last time out two, innings perfect five.
Speaker 1: Case, yeah he was dominant against The giants and it isn't.
Speaker 1: Luck he's got a two five three EXPECTED. Era will
Speaker 1: striking out thirty three percent of batters start throwing his
Speaker 1: slider as his main. Offering opponents are only hitting one
Speaker 1: fifty nine against, it throwing at forty percent of the.
Speaker 1: TIME i, mean everybody's going to be calling The rockies
Speaker 1: to get him at the. Deadline but let's say The
Speaker 1: rocky don't trade. Him he can be going for. History
Speaker 1: ARM i went down a rabbit Hole Steve reid in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, five AND i have no idea who that is.
Speaker 1: Me neither pitched to a two one FOUR era and
Speaker 1: eighty four innings in The rockies. Bullpen he made seventy
Speaker 1: one appearances for a two point fifty ONE era, plus
Speaker 1: which again, REMINDER era plus is graded on a one
Speaker 1: hundred scale kind of LIKE wrc. Plus it's park. Adjusted
Speaker 1: it's also era, adjusted so you can compare players across different.
Speaker 1: Eras Jake bird has a three twenty SEVEN era plus
Speaker 1: that is two hundred and twenty seven percent better than
Speaker 1: a league average. Pitcher that mark would be tied for
Speaker 1: the eighth BEST era plus IN mlb, history and in
Speaker 1: the twenty first, century the best mark Is Paedro martitez
Speaker 1: two thousand with a two ninety ONE era Plus because
Speaker 1: obviously pitching a corps field is really really, difficult and
Speaker 1: when you justed for the park in the Era Jake
Speaker 1: bird is legitimately putting up right now one of the
Speaker 1: greatest pitching seasons we have ever seen in the boot.
Speaker 2: Butt if you if you look at the only home
Speaker 2: run he's allowed to the one To Matt, chapman it
Speaker 2: was it was A Grand slam on On may, third
Speaker 2: that would like it shows four hundred and two feet center,
Speaker 2: field like if it was at it wasn't At Course,
Speaker 2: FIELD i would imagine Because i'm looking at it on
Speaker 2: the map Of Course field and it would have held
Speaker 2: it obviously what it probably carried more as. Well but,
Speaker 2: yeah that's. It the only home run he gave up
Speaker 2: was is a grand slam To Matt chapman ironically to
Speaker 2: tie a bow on the. Conversation But I'm i'm fascinated
Speaker 2: on how many times he has struck out like the
Speaker 2: side and he's had two outings this year where he's
Speaker 2: pitched multiple innings and struck out. Five that is. Disgusting this,
Speaker 2: yeah this is this is really. Fascinating how much control
Speaker 2: does he? Out they should just extend him, Now, like
Speaker 2: if you found a guy that can pitch, there give
Speaker 2: him a ten year. Deal he's twenty, nine give him
Speaker 2: The bogarts. Deal just a two million Aav let's See
Speaker 2: Jake bird spa track's what's the contract situation here for my?
Speaker 2: Guy three more years of control after this. ONE i,
Speaker 2: Mean i'm sure teams are gonna be calling. Left oh
Speaker 2: Yeah themage just hold on to.
Speaker 1: HIM i kind of want him to hold on to.
Speaker 1: HIM i want to shoot he make.
Speaker 2: History, yes, yeah because that it would be harder to
Speaker 2: maintain that. Era plus, also they held on To Jacob
Speaker 2: stallings last year at the deadline when he was playing
Speaker 2: really well and then so that they could resign him
Speaker 2: and bring him, back and then they just released. Him
Speaker 2: welcome To Rockies, baseball.
Speaker 1: BABY i know you Mentioned. Bogarts we have a couple
Speaker 1: other topics to get. To do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about him for a little bit or do you want
Speaker 1: to save that for more of a deeper dive next?
Speaker 2: Episode deeper dive next, episode BECAUSE i want to go
Speaker 2: deeper into. That it is. Fascinating there's a quick teaser on.
Speaker 2: That it's just Like bogart's he's against ninety four fastball
Speaker 2: ninety four plus he has an ops below five, hundred
Speaker 2: put an in zone contact rate of ninety six, percent
Speaker 2: and a ninety Percent Alex vossie one hundred and. Six
Speaker 2: so some people might, say, oh, well then it's gonna get.
Speaker 2: RIGHT i don't, know, actually because somehow still the contact
Speaker 2: quality is. Bad SO i need to dive deeper into.
Speaker 2: This but it basically seems like the harder he hits the,
Speaker 2: ball the lower the launch angle. Goes so it's just
Speaker 2: like this horrible tipping. Point But I'm i'm excited to
Speaker 2: dive deeper into that and hopefully he can get right because.
Speaker 1: You're saying the harder it's it's on the. Ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically the harder he hits the, ball the more
Speaker 2: straight into the ground it. Goes and then high the
Speaker 2: higher the launch, angle the softer the. Contact so when
Speaker 2: you hear one oh, five that's just on the. Ground
Speaker 2: so it's not really helping. Him, no, yeah, yeah it's not.
Speaker 1: Happening so we'll do a deeper dive into that. Later
Speaker 1: anything else On Jake bird greatest reliever maybe, ever.
Speaker 2: That definitely is an underrated.
Speaker 1: Story, also how About Steve, REID i, mean don't like
Speaker 1: two point. FOUR i was looking at Best rockies relievers.
Speaker 1: EVER i was, like oh, Yeah Houston, Street Rafael Betton,
Speaker 1: court these guys are pretty. Good none of them have
Speaker 1: been even close To Jake bird this. SEASON i mean it's, early,
Speaker 1: right we're recording Got jude. Eleventh but it's. Fun it's
Speaker 1: fun to look at these types of things that just
Speaker 1: keep tracking him because on potentially the worst team ever
Speaker 1: in all professional, sports they could have just this diamond
Speaker 1: in the rough who while the rest of the bullpen
Speaker 1: arms are giving up nine runs and the defense isn't helping,
Speaker 1: Him he's just dominating and he's not even allowing the
Speaker 1: defense to hurt him because he strikes out. Everybody it's actually,
Speaker 1: Crazy it's. Incredible all, Right let's move on to another
Speaker 1: lesser Known arm who's also, Shoving Shane smith of The
Speaker 1: Chicago White sox and his two three seven Era it's
Speaker 1: thirteenth among all, starters coming off of six, inning one
Speaker 1: run performance against The astros where The White sox. Won
Speaker 1: and now The White sox have a winning record In
Speaker 1: june against The, tigers The boys.
Speaker 2: Or the hat? Today, SORRY i think the pope was
Speaker 2: wearing A White sox hat.
Speaker 1: Today it's coming up All White, sox. Baby, yeah winning
Speaker 1: record In june again against The, Tigers, roles And. Astros
Speaker 1: But i'm, curious because you, know you're evaluating these guys as,
Speaker 1: prospects And Shane smith is new to the. Scene did
Speaker 1: you see this? COMING i, mean it was got to
Speaker 1: be impossible to see this coming when evaluating him as a.
Speaker 2: Prospect just title this, Episode arm Is. WASHED i didn't
Speaker 2: even have. HIM i didn't even have him in My
Speaker 2: rule five, preview AND i should have because he went first,
Speaker 2: obviously but, like he just wasn't one of the top.
Speaker 2: ARMS i legitimately remember getting to the bottom of, it being,
Speaker 2: like there's a few other. ARMS i was a guy
Speaker 2: they probably could get. SELECTED i don't need to write up.
Speaker 2: ANYMORE i wrote up like twenty. Plus the crazy thing
Speaker 2: About Shane smith is what would you say his best?
Speaker 1: Pitches he doesn't. LIKE i wouldn't say that he has
Speaker 1: the best. PITCH i think they all just kind of
Speaker 1: work well.
Speaker 2: Together, yes so that's part of it, where, yeah you
Speaker 2: just have this arsenal cross the board guys like. That
Speaker 2: one fastball needs to be pretty. Good the fastballs ticked
Speaker 2: up a full mile per, hour actually closer to one
Speaker 2: point five from where it was at in the minor
Speaker 2: leagues last. Year he didn't even have a change up
Speaker 2: last year that he really relied on at. All he
Speaker 2: almost never threw. It so a guy that like is
Speaker 2: going to attack you with four different, offerings, well the
Speaker 2: fastball wasn't as good and he didn't even have that fourth,
Speaker 2: offering and then he has just totally adjusted the breaking
Speaker 2: balls to where they're they're looking completely. Different but the
Speaker 2: CHANGEUP i think has been huge for. Him he's throwing
Speaker 2: at like twenty two percent of the time and opponents
Speaker 2: are hitting one to eleven against. IT i think from
Speaker 2: like a production, standpoint you could maybe argue that the
Speaker 2: change up is his best pitch and he didn't even
Speaker 2: have it last, year so that that has been a
Speaker 2: huge aspect of, this this whole. Thing but then you,
Speaker 2: know throwing the slider about three ticks harder is, crazy
Speaker 2: like three full ticks. Harder and THEN i don't know
Speaker 2: where he went somewhere like he, went whether it was
Speaker 2: maybe The White sox And Brian, bannison which like that's
Speaker 2: the one THING i will give The White sox credit.
Speaker 2: For they do get their arms, Right, like at least
Speaker 2: they do seem to develop arms a little bit better
Speaker 2: than everything. Else whether it was The White sox or
Speaker 2: Drive line or wherever the hell he, went he definitely
Speaker 2: went to a pitch lab of some sorts and just
Speaker 2: like redefined his entire. Arsenal and it's it's night and.
Speaker 2: Day it's really cool to.
Speaker 1: SEE i, mean he's a twenty five year old who's
Speaker 1: six foot three two and forty. POUNDS i, mean this
Speaker 1: is a building block for The White Sox and you,
Speaker 1: know when you're writing up their, system what do you
Speaker 1: think the rotation looks, Like let's say twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Seven, well it's interesting because they just fast Tracked Grant,
Speaker 2: taylor WHO i you, know he was gonna be on
Speaker 2: the top of one hundred, list just fell out of
Speaker 2: the top one hundred because of the move to the.
Speaker 2: Bullpen but they moved to the bullpen and he's throwing
Speaker 2: one hundred and. Two but ride and like it could
Speaker 2: be kind of This Mason miller starter kit type of situation,
Speaker 2: there so you move him. There it's been a frustrating
Speaker 2: year from the two lefties when you'll Get Noah schultz's
Speaker 2: has not been as good as you'd hope he's been.
Speaker 2: Fine And Hagan, smith you, KNOW i think he's dealing
Speaker 2: with injury and it was obviously really rough from a
Speaker 2: strike throwing perspective. BEFORE i still think you bake those
Speaker 2: guys into the conversation as soon as next, year you
Speaker 2: figure they can get right that rotation with A Shane,
Speaker 2: smith who you need that like, consistency, RIGHT i think
Speaker 2: you need like a higher floor guy when you have
Speaker 2: the higher steiling guys that you're mixing in. There Davis
Speaker 2: martin looks like he can potentially be another Ending zeter for.
Speaker 1: THEM i wonder THEN i think you wouldn't look at the,
Speaker 1: Creator Davis. Martin they could Trade Davis. Martin, yeah he's twenty.
Speaker 2: EIGHT i, honestly with the emergence Of Shane, SMITH i
Speaker 2: don't hate that idea at. All you move, him BUT
Speaker 2: i think you look at the rotation in the, future
Speaker 2: It's Hagan smith hopefully in. There there is the bullpen,
Speaker 2: risk but The Noah schultzen there as, Well like that
Speaker 2: is a fun rotation that can get strong pretty. Soon
Speaker 2: you're gonna Get Drew thorpe back off OF. Tj you
Speaker 2: hope that wilcome And gonzalez starts throwing more, strikes but
Speaker 2: they have a lot Of if it doesn't work out
Speaker 2: in the, rotation they have great upside as, relievers so
Speaker 2: they're going to just have a lot of. Arms and
Speaker 2: THEN i think is really.
Speaker 1: Exciting And, Taylor i'm Sure White sox fans listening to,
Speaker 1: this like their the hairs on their forms just stood
Speaker 1: up a little bit when you Said Mason miller starter,
Speaker 1: kit and it is A Mason miller starter. Kit the
Speaker 1: guy throws. Gas BUT i am, curious AND i even
Speaker 1: Saw Elijah evans post this On. Twitter would you rather
Speaker 1: have a lockdown leverage, reliever WHICH i think he can. Be,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't Think elijah's overstepping that this stuff is
Speaker 1: outrageous or potentially a high risk number two starter just
Speaker 1: because this stuff is so, good but you don't know
Speaker 1: exactly how it's going to transition to five to six
Speaker 1: innings every. Night, yeah they have interesting decisions to, make
Speaker 1: but it's the first time in a while where they
Speaker 1: have irons in the.
Speaker 2: Fire. Yeah, well and it could be like that CROW
Speaker 2: i was talking about it With elijah, actually like it
Speaker 2: could be that crochet path where, Like, okay you've got
Speaker 2: the reliever, now and then if you think that the
Speaker 2: man has come long, enough you can then maybe bring
Speaker 2: him back into the. Rotation my concern is that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of effort in the. DELIVERY i noticed that
Speaker 2: even WHEN i saw him in the airs on a fall,
Speaker 2: league AND i have a really high confidence interval in
Speaker 2: him being a good leverage ON i can see the
Speaker 2: number two. Upside but with the confidence interval, dips even
Speaker 2: just on the pitching ability on top of the fact
Speaker 2: that you can, pound then some injury risk as well
Speaker 2: that goes with, That AND i can kind of understand
Speaker 2: the relief side of. Things now in the short term
Speaker 2: and just getting him up there and then maybe they
Speaker 2: feel like that can help him eventually get back into the.
Speaker 2: Rotation but at FIRST i was a little bit, apprehensive
Speaker 2: but the MORE i just continue to watch, HIM i
Speaker 2: can understand the delivery kind of screams Reliever and if
Speaker 2: you're getting, YEAH i, Mean Mason miller was a guy,
Speaker 2: that like they had to make that decision to move
Speaker 2: him to the bullpen right because of some injuries and
Speaker 2: also just BECAUSE i think wanting to get the most
Speaker 2: out of. Him and it's clearly helped mitigate the injuries
Speaker 2: and clearly it's turned him into a more valuable. Asset
Speaker 2: so that's obviously the highest end, outcome but if it's
Speaker 2: anything close to that and you have a higher confidence
Speaker 2: interval of that, HAPPENING i can understand the.
Speaker 1: Move let's move over To Will. Smith so we talked
Speaker 1: about on THE La dodgers of, course talked about some underrated.
Speaker 1: Storyline so that's what we've been doing this entire. Episode
Speaker 1: and you may Think Will smith, underrated but have you
Speaker 1: has anyone checked in On Will smith outside Of dodger,
Speaker 1: Fans because he's the sixth best hitter in, baseball AND
Speaker 1: i feel like nobody.
Speaker 2: Cares, yeah that's a good. POINT i don't hear anything about.
Speaker 2: IT i honestly didn't even realize he was that.
Speaker 1: Good he's hitting three twenty with a one sixty THREE
Speaker 1: wrc plus and a nine to twenty six. Ohps he's
Speaker 1: got the highest walk rate of his career at fifteen.
Speaker 1: Percent he's hitting the ball harder than ever, before incredible
Speaker 1: numbers against breaking pitches when he's known to be a fastball,
Speaker 1: hitter and another interesting, stat pulling flyballs at the lowest
Speaker 1: rate of his, career which you wouldn't expect for a
Speaker 1: guy who's putting up his best offensive season to. Date
Speaker 1: and this is a great owing trend now With Will
Speaker 1: smith That i've been incredibly impressed. With and that's why you,
Speaker 1: know everyone's stamping Col rawley is the best catcher in,
Speaker 1: baseball and how could you not he. Is BUT i
Speaker 1: just always want to continue to Put Will smith in
Speaker 1: these categories BECAUSE i feel like he improves on something every.
Speaker 1: YEAR i remember When Will smith first came, up he destroyed.
Speaker 1: Velocity the harder you, threw the harder he hit the.
Speaker 1: Ball breaking balls would get him, though and, defensively he
Speaker 1: was a work in. Progress wasn't receiving the ball very,
Speaker 1: well not a great, ball, yeah and they were stealing
Speaker 1: on him all the. Time and then the defense started
Speaker 1: to improve and right now he's an above average. Receiver
Speaker 1: he's got a good pop time as, well now grading
Speaker 1: out wise. Metrically not a great, blocker we'll. See but
Speaker 1: the main point of What i'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: that Will smith improves year over. Year and this is
Speaker 1: another improvement for Will smith because he's always crushed, fastballs
Speaker 1: and year over year he's gotten better against breaking. Balls
Speaker 1: but this, year, arm do you have the numbers pulled
Speaker 1: up about how prolific he has been against off speed.
Speaker 1: PITCHES i just remember this from doing the research. Before
Speaker 1: he's sitting over four hundred against changeups and.
Speaker 2: Splitters so what's interesting, is you, know you mentioned the
Speaker 2: airpole side of, things and like people always talk about
Speaker 2: how air pole is king and, LIKE i could do
Speaker 2: a WHOLE i could do a whole episode on. THAT
Speaker 2: i was actually talking about it in the discord a
Speaker 2: little bit as to like why it can be really
Speaker 2: helpful for guys and also it can be something that
Speaker 2: is a give and take, right BECAUSE i think for
Speaker 2: guys that are on the low end of contact rates
Speaker 2: who could have Beat Ron, armstrong you want to get
Speaker 2: the most out of the times that you are making.
Speaker 2: Contact if you're not putting up a leade a lead
Speaker 2: to lead exit, velocities you want to have a really
Speaker 2: high air pole because the times that you are making,
Speaker 2: contact you wanted to leave the yard or have a
Speaker 2: high expected. Slug on the flip, side if you're a
Speaker 2: guy that's hit over, power but it's way skewed towards
Speaker 2: hit over, power like the ray evs aren't that. Great
Speaker 2: being able to pull the ball in the air consistently
Speaker 2: is going to help you slug more than the eggs
Speaker 2: of velocities would. IMPLY i Like isak perettis. Right so
Speaker 2: that's why you have two guys on opposite ends of
Speaker 2: the hit tool spectrum that are you know and approach
Speaker 2: spectrum that are both benefiting from. Airpole but if you're
Speaker 2: somewhere in the, MIDDLE i think it can sometimes be
Speaker 2: detrimental to to pursue it because if you are really
Speaker 2: trying to do that and you're you, know above average
Speaker 2: hit above average, power and its kind of the above
Speaker 2: above average across the. Board that desire to get to
Speaker 2: airpole can can cause you to be in and out
Speaker 2: of the zone a little bit more than you, know
Speaker 2: maybe you would have initially. Been AND i think you're
Speaker 2: seeing A Will smith now who is maybe giving up
Speaker 2: a little bit of the game slug if at, all
Speaker 2: in exchange for staying on pitches, longer maintaining his, direction
Speaker 2: and being able to use the whole. Field and that's
Speaker 2: why against secondaries he's hitting three sixty, four seventy, seven
Speaker 2: five seventy. THREE i basically just queued up everything that's
Speaker 2: not a fast ball and a. Sinker it's a thy
Speaker 2: fifty one Ohp because, again AGAIN i think he's able
Speaker 2: to stay on the ball, longer his path is PROBABLY i,
Speaker 2: think more in the zone earlier and. Later and at
Speaker 2: the same time he's still hitting fastballs pretty, well BUT
Speaker 2: i think in a world where you're seeing fastballs less than,
Speaker 2: ever it was a really smart adjustment By smith to
Speaker 2: be able to account for hitting secondary stuff, better because,
Speaker 2: yeah you mash, fastballs but you're seeing less and less
Speaker 2: fastballs In Major League baseball every single, Year so how
Speaker 2: do you level yourself up by crushing everything else that
Speaker 2: you're gonna see more.
Speaker 1: Of that was a fantastic. Breakdown and you know what
Speaker 1: it makes me think, TOO i, mean beyond the ten
Speaker 1: year contract that he, SIGNED i, Mean Dalton rushing has, gone.
Speaker 2: What do you do with? HIM i have no.
Speaker 1: IDEA i mean you're, like you cannot Take Will smith
Speaker 1: out of the catcher.
Speaker 2: Spot you just.
Speaker 1: Can't and you're contractually obligated to do it, Anyway so
Speaker 1: even if you wanted, to you're paying him all this.
Speaker 1: MONEY i, Mean Dalton rushing could be ANN vp candidate
Speaker 1: and he still wouldn't get this Because Will smith is
Speaker 1: legitimately AN mvp. Candidate. Yeah so it's which makes me
Speaker 1: think he's getting traded for a picture of the deadline
Speaker 1: and probably a big.
Speaker 2: One it's it's it's Giving Michael. Bush it really is
Speaker 2: like where you, know he's just playing so sporadically, rushing
Speaker 2: and you know he. Struggled he has struggled eleven, games
Speaker 2: he's punched out twenty. Times but it's so hard when
Speaker 2: you're playing every few days and you just pop in
Speaker 2: there and you're also still trying to just acclimate to
Speaker 2: catching at the big league. LEVEL i think there might
Speaker 2: be a point where they, say is this the best
Speaker 2: thing to do For Dalton? Rushing and if end up
Speaker 2: sending him back to Trip, Away, like, yeah just move
Speaker 2: that guy because that could be a guy that gets
Speaker 2: you a, major a major, piece no doubt about. It
Speaker 2: he could be one of the best prospects available on
Speaker 2: the trade.
Speaker 1: Market quick side note you Mentioned Michael. BUSH i saw
Speaker 1: this tweet yesterday From Joe underscore obvious AND i, QUOTE
Speaker 1: i went down the rabbit hole to Compare Anthony rizzo's
Speaker 1: first seven undred dead bats as The Chicago cub Versus
Speaker 1: Michael bush's first seven hundred dead bats as A Chicago,
Speaker 1: cub and the comparison is kind of. Crazy four point
Speaker 1: five war For, rizzo four point seven For Michael. Bush
Speaker 1: rizzo leads in, hits But bush leads in, homers and
Speaker 1: they both have a one eighteen. Ops Plus rizzo has
Speaker 1: this slight lead in slug But Michael bush has a HIGHER.
Speaker 1: Obp now it is different Because rizzo was twenty two
Speaker 1: to twenty three when he started with The cubs And
Speaker 1: bush is twenty six twenty, five so there's a few years.
Speaker 1: There but to see, that, like if you are A cubs,
Speaker 1: fan remember we just talked, about don't get so Upset
Speaker 1: cubs fans about The Michael bush. Trade you potentially have
Speaker 1: your next To Anthony, rizzo which is.
Speaker 2: Crazy and then people would, say, like, oh, well he's
Speaker 2: sheltered from, lefties but, like who.
Speaker 1: Cares he's facing right he's eighty percent of. Games like
Speaker 1: it's gonna play one hundred and war thirty games right,
Speaker 1: There he's gonna play one hundred and thirty to one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty games this year and be like a
Speaker 1: really good first. Baseman LIKE i don't care if they
Speaker 1: shelter him against.
Speaker 2: Lefties, YEAH i think they should just let him go
Speaker 2: most of the.
Speaker 1: Time, yeah, sure let him.
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, like let him, play let him play left
Speaker 2: on the, left see see what he can. Do he's
Speaker 2: gonna be good enough against righty's and then righties will
Speaker 2: come out of the. Bullpen but, YEAH i, MEAN i
Speaker 2: think it's a great. Point and he he. Is he's
Speaker 2: also a very underrated player in the game right, now
Speaker 2: especially because that offense is so potent you top to bottom,
Speaker 2: that you, KNOW i think you can overlook him a little.
Speaker 2: Bit he's hitting in sometimes a six hole or sometimes
Speaker 2: a seven, hole which is. NUTS i know he's hitting
Speaker 2: clean up a lot of the year, early but now
Speaker 2: they've had him more in the six five to six,
Speaker 2: hole it's easy to forget that this guy is a,
Speaker 2: well well above average big league Bad.
Speaker 1: Also just to wrap up On Will, smith don't you
Speaker 1: think it's appropriate to add him to? This like nobody's
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 2: Him What Will? Smith? Yeah, yeah it. Is actually nu's
Speaker 2: how little shine he's. Getting, like where does he rank In?
Speaker 2: War i'm not.
Speaker 1: SURE i didn't look At. WAR i just. Looked, plus
Speaker 1: he's got to be really.
Speaker 2: High dialing it up right now Because i'm, LIKE i
Speaker 2: know that you're loaded with with just studs across that,
Speaker 2: team but you, know, yeah he's nineteenth In. War it's
Speaker 2: funny right next To Alejandro. Kirk BUT i, mean, offensively
Speaker 2: a team that's loaded with hitters to be that, impressive
Speaker 2: it feels like it's not being talked about much at.
Speaker 1: All next, Up Andrew, abbott AND i literally wrote down
Speaker 1: To Andrew abbott is The. Messiah he's just been Unbelievable
Speaker 1: tuesday against The, guardians he there were a complete game
Speaker 1: three hitter with five k's first career, shutout and it
Speaker 1: was his second time facing The, Guardians so there was
Speaker 1: some familiarity there and it just did not. Matter he
Speaker 1: lowered HIS zra to one to eight. Seven opponents are
Speaker 1: hitting one eighty four against. Him he's got a whip
Speaker 1: at zero ninety, seven and he's got the second lowest
Speaker 1: hard hit rate in baseball among pitchers with at least sixty.
Speaker 1: Incs and what makes this even more impressive arm he's
Speaker 1: pitching A Great american small. Park, yep guess what HIS
Speaker 1: era is at?
Speaker 2: Home, well it's gotta be sub two two two.
Speaker 1: Seven.
Speaker 2: OKAY i was gonna, say, like it's gonna be something just,
Speaker 2: disgusting like two two seven At Great. America that's gonna
Speaker 2: be an insane E ra. Plus it's.
Speaker 1: Incredible, Yeah i'm sure if we queued UP era, plus
Speaker 1: he's got to be near the. TOP i mean he,
Speaker 1: is you, know and he's working with so many different.
Speaker 1: Pitches there's deception in his. Delivery but, REALLY i, mean
Speaker 1: which shines at the Top With Andrew, abbott he's the
Speaker 1: greatest Pitcher i've ever seen with runs on. BASE i,
Speaker 1: mean it's obviously that's. Hyperbole he's. NOT i would have
Speaker 1: to go back and look at all The dubbers he's up,
Speaker 1: there he's up. THERE i, mean this guy is a. Wizard,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have elite. Stuff he's not striking everybody.
Speaker 1: Out but in terms of a guy who knows how
Speaker 1: to get, out there's a short, list And Andrew abbot
Speaker 1: is on.
Speaker 2: It when on opponents are hitting one fifty, one two thirty,
Speaker 2: two two fifty six against, him it's crazy seven, Ops.
Speaker 1: It's, incredible and you, know it's so. Funny it's, like
Speaker 1: how is he jamming guys with ninety? FOUR i MEAN
Speaker 1: i was watching that guard Two, yeah ninety two. EVEN
Speaker 1: i mean it's like These i'm, watching, LIKE i, Mean
Speaker 1: Jake frayley AND. Tj friedel did have incredible catches in this.
Speaker 1: Game that definitely did Help Andrew.
Speaker 2: Abbott, oh but that's what he. Does he roots him.
Speaker 2: On it's Like Tom brady screen passes jamming.
Speaker 1: Guys the change up nobody can. Touch the slider looks really.
Speaker 1: GOOD i mean when you look at the. REDS i,
Speaker 1: Mean nicolodola is a good example of someone who LIKE i, mean.
Speaker 2: You, KNOW i get it because he's funky ast.
Speaker 1: Shit, no BUT i gotta be careful BECAUSE i have
Speaker 1: asked For elie de La cruz to be, traded not,
Speaker 1: actually but that is now a running bit on our,
Speaker 1: show Like nicolodola might have to get. Traded his numbers
Speaker 1: That Great American ballpark are. Horrific, yeah he's got like
Speaker 1: AN era over five at. Home and this has been
Speaker 1: a multiple season trend here right on the road For
Speaker 1: nickolodola was like one point. Three he's outrageous requested, trade
Speaker 1: but that just goes to show it's really hard to
Speaker 1: pitch in this, ballpark and especially For Andrew abbott with
Speaker 1: con assistant runners on base and a flyball pitcher and
Speaker 1: a flyball, pitcher he's a thirty one.
Speaker 2: Percent ground ball right and no one's leaving the yard
Speaker 2: against him In Great American. Ballpark it's.
Speaker 1: Incredible, yeah he's so Good eddie underrated story and again
Speaker 1: he's another guy where he's fun to watch because it's.
Speaker 1: Quick it's just bang bang. BANG i mean it's Not,
Speaker 1: scoobale but it's almost like a poor Man schooble in
Speaker 1: terms of throwing, strikes working quick and getting you through. Innings,
Speaker 1: Obviously school is just so outrageously, amazing but it, is you,
Speaker 1: Know school's one hundred with the fastball Ed rabbits ninety
Speaker 1: three school's best pitch to change, up so Does Edge.
Speaker 1: Rabbit he's not schoobl but he's if.
Speaker 2: You squint your. Eyes what's amazing is he actually pitches
Speaker 2: to flyball contact more at. HOME i wonder if hitters
Speaker 2: are just so used to like Being Great American ballpark
Speaker 2: and seeing pitchers try to, evade you, know contact in the,
Speaker 2: air that it almost catches them off. Guard like the
Speaker 2: fact that he has a twenty five percent ground ball
Speaker 2: right At Grant American ballpark this year and he's only
Speaker 2: allowed four home runs and allowed a slug of three sixty.
Speaker 2: Two he's not afraid of the short. Porches it's it's
Speaker 2: not a concern for. Him AND i love that. Confidence
Speaker 2: and that's WHY i brought.
Speaker 1: Up you, mentioned you, know guys getting kept caught off
Speaker 1: guard and maybe they haven't seen him. BEFORE i, mean
Speaker 1: this is the second time he faced the. Guardians if
Speaker 1: you throw a dieiting shut, out, NOW i know it
Speaker 1: wasn't In Great American, ballpark but, still, yeah this guy's
Speaker 1: been both FREAKING i need to.
Speaker 2: The, cubs like doing it to The cubs as, well
Speaker 2: and he had to face them back to back like,
Speaker 2: twice facing The cubs back to back and combining for
Speaker 2: twelve and two thirds innings of one run. Ball he's
Speaker 2: clearly got something going.
Speaker 1: On and The reds are hot right. NOW i think
Speaker 1: it once five in a. Row at the time of, recording,
Speaker 1: YEP i need. It we had eighty plus wins and
Speaker 1: plus one. THIRTY i was literally on the field Of
Speaker 1: Great American ballpark Telling reds fans you. Know it was
Speaker 1: so disappointing about. That do you know What the most
Speaker 1: common thing people came up to me and said when
Speaker 1: we were, yeah don't do, It you're gonna be. Wrong
Speaker 1: they weren't even, like, yeah, man jomp on The reds,
Speaker 1: bandwagon we would be. Great they're all, like what are you?
Speaker 2: Doing what you mean? Money why would you do? THAT
Speaker 2: i was really.
Speaker 1: DISAPPOINTED i mean they were super, nice but they were
Speaker 1: just like that BET's gonna. Lose hell, no we gotta
Speaker 1: win eighty. Plus we gotta win eighty, games where a
Speaker 1: couple of games over five. Hundred right, Now reds were.
Speaker 1: Rolling it's a little bit of, confidence right Or AM
Speaker 1: i the only?
Speaker 2: One are you even on the? Bandwagon not, really but damn, it, NO.
Speaker 1: I am Go reds all? Right, last but certainly not.
Speaker 1: LEAST i, MEAN i THINK i post about this guy
Speaker 1: every day every. Day Is Denzel clark already the best
Speaker 1: outfielder in baseball? Defensively eight outs above average in seventeen,
Speaker 1: games AND i want to put that in. Perspective Saddan,
Speaker 1: rafaela The Red, sox one of the best defensive outfielders in,
Speaker 1: baseball has ten outs above average in sixty four. Games
Speaker 1: Pet K armstrong Because cubs fans as soon as they heard,
Speaker 1: that they might have even turned off the PODCAST pca
Speaker 1: has eleven outs above average in sixty seven. Games Victor,
Speaker 1: scott who's up there for his. DEFENSE i know he's
Speaker 1: been better, offensively but that's his calling. Card he has
Speaker 1: eight outs above average in sixty two. Games Julio rodriguez
Speaker 1: has been incredible defensively this. Year he's got eight and
Speaker 1: sixty five games ar. Him Denzel clark has eight outs
Speaker 1: above average in seventeen. Games and he made one of
Speaker 1: the best Catches i've ever. Seen but it's so funny
Speaker 1: because he makes catches that are a little bit easier every.
Speaker 1: Game AND i think he's got two robberies on the.
Speaker 1: Season he had this one catch where he he ran
Speaker 1: it felt like he was playing right field and he
Speaker 1: ran to left center and crashed into the. Wall still
Speaker 1: came up with, it walked off the range on this,
Speaker 1: guy it's. CRAZY i, mean he can't hit. Right he's
Speaker 1: gonna fill one percent strikeout, right he'saitting what seventy? Seven
Speaker 1: but the reason they're putting him out there is because
Speaker 1: he IS i, mean he looks LIKE i still go
Speaker 1: back to, it like When buxton is gliding around the,
Speaker 1: outfield that's just my favorite thing to. Watch this is,
Speaker 1: better HE'S i, mean they're. Longer it's it's.
Speaker 2: Incredible there may not be a bigger dichotomy between like
Speaker 2: offensive output and war Than Denzel clark if he gets
Speaker 2: a full. Season, yeah it's it's crazy BECAUSE i, KNOW
Speaker 2: i do think the bat could get to a point
Speaker 2: where it's decent. Enough you, know over some, TIME i
Speaker 2: didn't think he was ready for a big league call,
Speaker 2: Up BUT i mean they must have just been seeing
Speaker 2: what he was doing defensively out there and saying like
Speaker 2: this guy could could help our pitching staff significantly just
Speaker 2: by his ability to go get. IT i don't know
Speaker 2: If i've ever seen eight out's above average and one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four innings like that is that is absolutely.
Speaker 2: Insane like eight outs above average in seventeen in games
Speaker 2: essentially means he's making a game altering catch every other, Game,
Speaker 2: yeah and making a lot of others that make a you,
Speaker 2: know positive impact in. Between like it, is it is
Speaker 2: really remarkable to watch him do. This AND i think
Speaker 2: he had like he may have had like a throwing
Speaker 2: air or something like that mixed in. There like that
Speaker 2: that probably. Docked is the defensive runt safe at the very,
Speaker 2: Least like this is a guy THAT i would. LOVE
Speaker 2: i hope he can get it going a bit with
Speaker 2: the bat because if, he if he plays a full,
Speaker 2: season we might see the best defensive season of the
Speaker 2: stack Gass. Air AND i don't think that's crazy to.
Speaker 2: Say i'm very, curious LIKE i want to watch what
Speaker 2: makes him better so far this year than like a
Speaker 2: Pet karam. Shrunk pek karamshrunk is stuff on the Field
Speaker 2: i've never really seen in terms of the jumps and
Speaker 2: the closing speed and finishing. Ability but Maybe karcas just
Speaker 2: had more opportunities so far because the pitching staff gets
Speaker 2: teed off on a little. Bit but that's part of, it,
Speaker 2: Right SO i am really fascinated AND i want to
Speaker 2: do like a video dive kind of comparing these. Two
Speaker 2: BUT i we thought nobody would be on par WITH,
Speaker 2: pca AND i think it's very clear That clark.
Speaker 1: IS i MEAN i could speak to that a little
Speaker 1: bit when watching These a's, Games Like Denzel clark went
Speaker 1: after all of his incredible. Catches when you're watching the live,
Speaker 1: broadcast they, like do the film of his. Jump it's,
Speaker 1: immediate and if we're talking about sprint speed closing, speed
Speaker 1: he is lightning fast and he's so. Long he looks
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver out there playing center. Field, WELL
Speaker 1: pca looks like legit center. Fielder this guy looks like
Speaker 1: he was planted in our game from a different. Sport
Speaker 1: he is gliding and getting to balls Like Julio.
Speaker 2: Jones, yeah he's got.
Speaker 1: The, size he's got the. Speed he can. Jump that's
Speaker 1: WHAT i think makes him so. Impressible, WELL pca is so,
Speaker 1: fast his jumps are so, good and he is so.
Speaker 1: SMOOTH i Think Denzel clark shares all of those, attributes
Speaker 1: but it's in a six'.
Speaker 2: Four, body yeah and he.
Speaker 1: Can launch but then you watch him hit and, you're
Speaker 1: like please just stay up in BASEBALL so i could
Speaker 1: watch you play. Defense, MORE yeah i.
Speaker 2: Really, HOPE so, i mean he hits the, ball hard
Speaker 2: it's just he's got to hit, the ball so it's
Speaker 2: it's it'll be cool to see those two just kind
Speaker 2: of battle it out over over the course of the
Speaker 2: year If if clark is, able to, you know just just.
Speaker 2: Stay UP and i think he's gonna buy himself a
Speaker 2: lot of time with the stick if he continues to defend.
Speaker 2: This way are you are.
Speaker 1: There stats that look at jump because they have.
Speaker 2: That in in. In stackcast you just gotta, like dig
Speaker 2: dig around a little. Bit MORE but pc jumps.
Speaker 1: ARE stupid, i mean. He's sad raphael is. INCREDIBLE too,
Speaker 1: i like how do?
Speaker 2: You separate like what what do these guys do with?
Speaker 2: THIS way i literally do think that the biggest separator
Speaker 2: right Now for clark, is opportunity and he has every
Speaker 2: single opportunity. HE'S had i mean that's part of, It
Speaker 2: though like closing the.
Speaker 1: Plays out a's bullpen has a seventy or right since
Speaker 1: my first like they're. Starting pitching his horse.
Speaker 2: Got his back to. The infield there's a lot of
Speaker 2: law a.
Speaker 1: Fly, balls actually think, about IT, for pca every reliever
Speaker 1: as A, zero lr he's not really getting that. Many,
Speaker 1: opportunities yeah that's actually a.
Speaker 2: Good. POINT yeah I Mean denzel clark is basically has
Speaker 2: his back to the infield every every, Other play, so
Speaker 2: yeah that probably plays a part.
Speaker 1: IN it i do WONDER what pca stats would be
Speaker 1: if you just let him play his sixty seven games to, The,
Speaker 1: ages like what do you have twenty outs above average?
Speaker 1: Right now so what anything else before?
Speaker 2: We go THAT'S all. I got the only OTHER thing
Speaker 2: i wanted to mention, was, Just Uh. Anthony siegler guy's
Speaker 2: gonna guys gonna get a big. LEAGUE opportunity, I, Think
Speaker 2: yeah LIKE why i had to because underrated storyline that.
Speaker 2: We talked we've talked about him a little bit earlier
Speaker 2: when we did like the, prospect report but the first,
Speaker 2: round pick which we've talked. About it of course he
Speaker 2: didn't like to pick at. The time but by just
Speaker 2: a fascinating aspect. Of this he was a switch in
Speaker 2: and catcher who was never really good at, any level
Speaker 2: got a little bit better last. Year offensively that brought
Speaker 2: his ops in his career in the minor weekues up over.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred yankees let him go as a as a,
Speaker 2: you know minor league. Free agent he signs With, the
Speaker 2: brewers And the brewers sign Him TO. Triple a last
Speaker 2: year he had. Stopped catching he was only playing second base,
Speaker 2: Right really and now With the brewers they have him
Speaker 2: catching a little. Bit again he's, playing second and he's
Speaker 2: playing third and even played a. Game Short what i'm floored,
Speaker 2: BY is i don't Know if i've ever seen a
Speaker 2: guy with such a high average ex of velocity compared
Speaker 2: to His max so his max eggs velocity this year's one,
Speaker 2: oh seven but HIS average exi velocity is. Ninety two
Speaker 2: that tells me he's just finding the barrel every. Freaking
Speaker 2: time right Now IN, triple a he's hitting three, oh
Speaker 2: seven four, forty four five. Twenty one they may have
Speaker 2: like this like infield Version Of david frye on their
Speaker 2: hands here With, the brewers AND, like i it's it's
Speaker 2: been pretty cool to just watch him a GUY that
Speaker 2: i thought pretty much his career could, be toasts, You
Speaker 2: KNOW like i thought just there wouldn't be much else
Speaker 2: in terms, Of OPPORTUNITY like i didn't really see a
Speaker 2: way that he would be able to hit his way
Speaker 2: to the to the, big leagues and he's gonna get.
Speaker 2: Called up it's gonna be a pretty.
Speaker 1: Cool STORY so i think the reason that arm is bringing,
Speaker 1: THIS up i mean he wants To Highlight. ANTHONY siegler i.
Speaker 1: Get It But. ANTHONY siegler i remember WATCHING my tv
Speaker 1: during the DRAFT and i say, to myself we drafted
Speaker 1: who and they're showing highlights. Of him it's like of,
Speaker 1: him juggling like not even. Playing baseball it's like juggling
Speaker 1: and talking about, both arms how we can throw with.
Speaker 1: Both Arms and, i'm like but he's. A catcher what do.
Speaker 1: YOU mean i don't need him to throw left handed as.
Speaker 1: A catcher and they put up the stats he like
Speaker 1: didn't even hit all that well in high school. PRETTY
Speaker 1: good i, was like what are we talking? About here
Speaker 1: he was our first. Round pick then he goes To
Speaker 1: the miners and he, was Terrible and i'm, thinking aboutself
Speaker 1: what were? We doing goes To. The brewers now he hits,
Speaker 1: everything hard and he's playing second and short and third
Speaker 1: and catch.
Speaker 2: Chasing at a fifteen. Percent clip everything's in. The air
Speaker 2: it's like, it's Legit like i'm bringing up because like
Speaker 2: it's it, looks legit it's a. Cool Story so i'm
Speaker 2: just if you're in a really deep. Fantasy league if
Speaker 2: they continue to get poor production from. Third base he
Speaker 2: started to play third a little bit, more lately it,
Speaker 2: may happen.
Speaker 1: So he's Taken Over, caleb durbin Another. Former yankee.
Speaker 2: He may he May if derbin doesn't get it.
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