1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: to Ghost Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: They invite you to enjoy all our shows we have 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: on this network, and right now, let's start with Chase 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: to Coast, AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 2: Episode will discuss the reasons we now know that our 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: loved ones have survived physical death and so will we 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Before we dive into 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: our main topic today, I want to share some afterlife news. 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: On a recent interview, author and investigative journalist Lee Strobel 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: shared a collection of powerful, verifiable stories that provide stunning 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: evidence for the survival of consciousness. He spoke about the 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: nature of near death experiences, where a person is clinically dead, 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: often with no heartbeat or brain waves, yet their consciousness 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: continues to function. The most compelling evidence comes from cases 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: where people have an out of body experience and see 26 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: or hear things that it would be impossible for them 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: to know. Strobells shared the story of a woman named Maria. 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: While doctors were working to revive her clinically body in 29 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: a hospital, she said her spirit floated out, floated up, 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: and she found herself looking down from the ceiling. When 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: she was revived, she told the staff that there was 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: a red sticker on top of one of the ceiling 33 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: fan blades. Of course, no one could see that from 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: the ground, so they got a ladder, climbed up, and 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: sure enough, there was the red sticker, exactly as she 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: had described. He told another even more detailed story about 37 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: a nine year old girl who drowned in a Ymca 38 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: swimming pool. She was clinically dead for three days with 39 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: her brain swollen, before she was miraculously revived with no damage. 40 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: The skeptical doctors gave her a crayon and paper and 41 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: asked her to draw the emergency room where they had 42 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: worked on her. She drew it perfectly, but then she added, 43 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: by the way I followed my parents home that night, 44 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: She described exactly what her mom was cooking, what chair 45 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: her dad was sitting in, and that her brother was 46 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: playing with a Gi Joe jeep in his room, right 47 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: down to the exact clothes they were all wearing. Everything 48 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: was correct. Perhaps the most powerful account he shared was 49 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: about a woman named Vicki who had been blind since birth. 50 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 2: She was in a car crash and had a near 51 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: death experience, and in this experience, for the very first 52 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: time in her life, she could see her spirit floated 53 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: out of her body, and she clearly saw the resuscitation efforts. 54 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: She saw trees and birds for the very first time. 55 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: When she was revived and her spirit returned to her body, 56 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: she was blind once again. Medical researchers who studied her 57 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: case said it was impossible based on our current understanding 58 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: of medicine. These incredible, verifiable accounts are the perfect starting 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: point for our deep dive today into a subject that 60 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: is both profoundly comforting and incredibly evidential the connection between 61 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: children and the afterlife. We've just heard stories of children 62 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: having near death experiences, and we will explore those even 63 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: more deeply later on today. But the connection goes much 64 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: further than that. Can children see spirits? Do they remember 65 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: a time before they were born? Are their imaginary friends 66 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: always imaginary? The evidence suggests that children, in their innocence 67 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: and openness, are some of the clearest channels that we 68 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: have to the world beyond. Think about what it's like 69 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: to be a small child from birth to the age 70 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: of seven. A child's mind is like a sponge. Everything 71 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: is possible. They haven't yet built up the layers of skepticism, doubt, 72 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: and what society teaches us, you know, that heavy stuff. 73 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: We adults carry, that little voice in our head, the 74 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: ego that tells us what's real and what's not, simply 75 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: isn't fully formed yet. This makes children wide open to 76 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: experiences that we adults might dismiss. Mediums often say that 77 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: communication from spirit comes through our feelings and our imagination, 78 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: two faculties that are incredibly strong and unfiltered. In a 79 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: young child, they don't have the fear of being wrong 80 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: or worry about what others might think, so, they just report, 81 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: matter of factly, what they see and hear. This brings 82 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: us to the common phenomena of the imaginary friend. While 83 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: many are surely products of a creative mind, countless stories 84 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: suggest that sometimes these friends are very, very real. A 85 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: lawyer named Rachel Rogers shared a story worry about her 86 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: three year old son, Thomas. One night, as she was 87 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: putting him to bed, he pointed to an empty spot 88 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: in the room and said, that man's right there, Mama, 89 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: standing next to you. He's the one that comes to 90 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: play with me, as you can imagine, mom. Rachel was terrified. 91 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: She saw nothing. She tried to dismiss it, but Thomas insisted, 92 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: even describing the man as older, tall, and wearing glasses. 93 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: The next day, trying to understand, she asked Thomas to 94 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: draw a picture of the man. He grabbed a pencil 95 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: and scribbled a stick figure wearing a pair of thick, 96 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: black rimmed glasses. This continued for months. Thomas would see 97 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: and play with this man, and his mother, though trying 98 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: to be open minded, was baffled and a little spooked. 99 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: The breakthrough came when Rachel started researching her family tree. 100 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: An aunt sent her a collection of old family photos 101 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: she'd never seen before. As she was looking through them, 102 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: her son Thomas walked into the room, glanced at an 103 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 2: old wedding picture and pointed, that's him. He said, matter 104 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: of factly, that's the man who comes to play with me. 105 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: Rachel said, the hairs on the back of her neck 106 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: stood up. The man in the picture with his big, 107 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: thick rimmed glasses was her grandmother's second husband, her great 108 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: great grandfather, who had died when she was only sixteen. 109 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: There was no way Thomas could have known him, or 110 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: seen a picture of him, or described him so accurately. 111 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: He was seeing and playing with a loving relative from 112 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: the spirit world. This kind of specific evidential information is 113 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: powerful when it comes from a child. Another mother, Tricia Jordan, 114 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: shared that her son Luca, began seeing his late grandmother 115 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: when he was just a baby. Tricia's grandmother passed away 116 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: when Luca was only eighteen months old, just as he 117 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: was starting to speak. She said, the first thing he 118 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: told me was how Granny would tuck him into bed 119 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: every night. At first, it scared her and she would 120 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: change the subject. But the most chilling and undeniable piece 121 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: of evidence came through a song. Luca began singing a 122 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: song called the Big Ship Sails on the Alley Allio, 123 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: over and over again, telling his mom that Granny was 124 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: there with him. Here's the thing, Tricia had never sung 125 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: that song to him. It was a special song that 126 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: her grandmother always had sung to her when she was 127 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: a child, and there was absolutely no way little Luca 128 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: could have known about it. As Luca got older, his 129 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: abilities continued. At the age of four, they were passing 130 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: a house near their home when Luca pointed and said 131 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: that a man named Martin used to live there, but 132 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: that he died in a fire. His mother, shocked, did 133 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: some research and discovered that was true. A man named 134 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: Martin had indeed lived in that house and had died 135 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: in the fire. Tricia said, I've always believed in the 136 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: afterlife a little bit, but what I have seen with 137 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: Luca blew my mind. It made me believe completely. These 138 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: accounts go beyond just seeing spirits. Some children seemed to 139 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: retain memories of a time before they were born into 140 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: this life. These are called before life memories. A friend 141 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: of mine shared a story just after my book came out, 142 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: and I assumed he would think my investigations were strange, 143 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: but the opposite was true. He told me that when 144 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: his daughter was very little, she would often talk about 145 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: why she picked him and his wife to be her parents. 146 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: One day, she looked at her mother and said, you 147 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: don't have curly hair or glasses anymore. The little girl 148 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 2: had never been shown a single picture of her mother 149 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: from before she met her husband, when she had permed 150 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: curly hair and yes, wore glasses. In the book Life 151 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: Before Life, the authors share the story of a little 152 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: boy named Desmond. At three and a half, he told 153 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: his mother, you know, Mommy, before I came to be 154 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: with you, I was with Auntie Ruth. He couldn't have 155 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: known his Auntie Ruth had suffered a stillborn baby ten 156 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: years earlier. The family never mentioned it. He talked about 157 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: a place he called home, where the fields and other 158 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: children and big people were there, and they all took 159 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: care of him. He described playing in pools where they 160 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: didn't sink and never got wet, and where the water 161 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: played songs for us, but not with words. He even 162 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: described how he was taught to make flower hours sing 163 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: just by thinking about them, and they would appear in 164 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: the colors. He wanted and start to play music. As 165 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: Desmond got older, these memories faded, but for a few 166 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: precious years he held a clear connection to the world 167 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: he had come from. These stories of children seeing relatives 168 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: they never met, knowing songs they were never taught, and 169 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: remembering a life before this one, to me, are profoundly evidential. 170 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: They show us that the veil between worlds is at 171 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: its thinnest when we are young, before life teaches us 172 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: to stop believing in the magic that surrounds us. And 173 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's not just imaginary friends or memories from before. 174 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes children have a direct window into the spirit world 175 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: at the end of their lives. I'm reminded of a 176 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: powerful story about a young boy in hospice. He kept 177 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: complaining to his nurse about the noise coming from the 178 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: corner of his room. The nurse, seeing no one, ask 179 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: him who's making all the noise. The little boy gave 180 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: the names of three children. When the nurse checked later 181 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: the records, she discovered that those three children had all 182 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: passed away in that very same room before he had 183 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: even arrived. It's stories like these, so simple, so direct, 184 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: with details the child could just never know that make 185 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: this evidence so believable. They don't have a reason to 186 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: make these things up. They haven't had a lifetime to 187 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: build up layers of doubt or expectation. They just tell 188 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: us what they see, purely and honestly. But what happens 189 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: when children themselves have a brush with death? The stories 190 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: they bring back are some of the most powerful and 191 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: scientifically studied evidence we have. Will explore the incredible world 192 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: of children's near death experiences when we return. For any 193 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: parent who has a child in the next world, a 194 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: wonderful and healing resource I always recommend is our friends 195 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: at helping parents heal. Let's go to the break and 196 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 197 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 198 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 199 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. Before the break, we talked about how a 200 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: child's mind is wide open, making them clear channels to 201 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: the spirit world. We heard amazing stories of children seeing 202 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: relatives that they have never met, knowing special family songs 203 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: they were never taught, and even remembering a life before 204 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: they were born. Their stories are some of the purest 205 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: proof we have because they come from a place of 206 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: complete innocence. So this brings us to one of the 207 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: most powerful and scientifically studied of all areas. That's children's 208 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: near death experiences. When a child has a brush with 209 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: death and they come back, the stories they tell are breathtaking. 210 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: Skeptics often try to explain our adult endes by saying 211 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: they are just byproducts of a religious belief or maybe 212 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: what we expect to happen. But what about a three 213 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: year old or a five year old. Children are too 214 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: young to have formed complex ideas about life, death, and 215 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: the afterlife. They haven't been told what they're supposed to see. 216 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: They simply report what happens to them, and that makes 217 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: their accounts incredibly more evidential and very powerful. I'll never 218 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: forget a story a man told me on an airplane 219 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: many years ago. He was at a campground with his 220 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: two young sons. When he was helping his younger son 221 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: in the restroom, His four year old son, who was 222 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: so eager to learn how to swim, wandered down to 223 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: the lake. The father came out, realized his son was 224 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: gone and found him floating in the water. He pulled 225 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,359 Speaker 2: him out, revived him, and rushed him to the hospital. 226 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: When the little boy woke up, he wasn't scared at all. 227 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: He looked at his dad and told him not to worry, 228 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: that he was with the big face in the sun, 229 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: and that this big face told him it wasn't his 230 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: time to go. That one experience shaped this boy for 231 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: the rest of his life. His father told me that 232 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: as the boy grew up, he had an overwhelming constant 233 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: urge to always help people. And that's a change we 234 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: see so often in all people who have had these experiences. 235 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: They come back with a deep sense of purpose and 236 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: a desire to give. For many years, the leading researcher 237 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: in this field was pediatrician dot Org Melvin Morse. He 238 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: was voted one of America's best doctors and was an 239 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: associate professor at the University of Washington for twenty years. 240 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: It's important to know that he wasn't a mystic or 241 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: a spiritual guru. He was a scientist, a man who 242 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: had done research on brain tumors and tested medicines on laborats. 243 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: He was grounded in practical medicine, which is what makes 244 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: his story so compelling. He didn't go out seeking this 245 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: phenomena it found him, and it completely changed the course 246 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: of his life. It all started with a nine year 247 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: old girl named Crystal. As a young doctor Morse was 248 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: working in the intensive care unit when Crystal was brought in. 249 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: She had been found floating face down in a swimming pool. 250 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: Her body was lifeless, her brain was showing massive swelling, 251 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: and in the direct language of the emergency room, doctor 252 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: Morse said she was a train wreck. He guess she 253 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: only had about a ten percent chance of surviving. As 254 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: he was trying to insert a line into her artery, 255 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 2: which was a very difficult procedure. Her family asked if 256 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: they could hold a prayer vigil around her bed. Doctor 257 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: Morse thought to himself, why not, She's going to die anyway. 258 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: As the family prayed calmly, he was thinking, how can 259 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: they be so calm? Isn't it obvious she's about to die. 260 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: Three days later, and against all odds, Crystal made a 261 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: full recovery. When she was well enough for a follow 262 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: up exam, doctor Morris asked her what she remembered. He 263 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: was amazed to find a normal, healthy, nine year old girl. 264 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: She even remembered him telling her mother, that's the one 265 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: with the beard. She accurately described the other doctors who 266 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: had worked on her and many of the medical procedures 267 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: she had gone through, like having a tube down her nose. 268 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: All things had happened while she was deep in a 269 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: coma with her eyes closed. Doctor Morris asked her an 270 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: open ended question, what do you remember about being in 271 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: the swimming pool? Crystal's reply changed his life. She said, 272 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 2: do you mean when I visited the Heavenly Father. At 273 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: their next meeting, Cristel told him everything she remembered, a 274 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: feeling of darkness, then a tunnel opening up. A guide 275 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: she called Elizabeth, who was tall and had golden hair. 276 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: Elizabeth took her up a tunnel where she met her grandfather, 277 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: who had passed away. She also met two young boys 278 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: souls waiting to be born. They were named Andy and Mark. 279 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 2: She said. They played with her and introduced her to 280 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: many people. Then she was given a glimpse of her home. 281 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: She watched her brothers and sisters playing in their rooms. 282 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: One brother was playing with his truck, her sister was 283 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: combing a barbie doll's hair while singing a rock song. 284 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: She saw her mother in the kitchen cooking chicken and rice, 285 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: and her father sitting quietly on the couch. Later, when 286 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: she told her parents this, they were shocked. Of course, 287 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: she too described the clothes they were wearing, where they 288 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: were in the house, and even the exact meal her 289 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: mother was making, all with perfect accuracy. Finally, her guide, Elizabeth, 290 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: took her to meet Jesus and the Heavenly Father. The 291 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: Heavenly Father asked if she wanted to go home. Crystal 292 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: cried and said she wanted to stay. Then Jesus asked 293 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: if she wanted to see her mother again. She said yes, 294 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: and then she woke up. Doctor Morse was so compelled 295 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: by her story that he went to the nurses, who 296 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: confirmed that her very first words when she woke up 297 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 2: were where are Mark and Andy? Doctor Morris had found 298 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: his life's work. Another powerful story from doctor Morse's research 299 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: is about a ten year old boy named Chris. He 300 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: had sidney transplant, but afterward developed a severe infection that 301 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 2: invaded his heart. During emergency heart surgery, young Chris died 302 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 2: and was revived. The moment he woke up, he couldn't 303 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: wait to tell his mom his secret. He told her, 304 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: I've been climbing a staircase to heaven. It was such 305 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: a good and peaceful feeling. I felt wonderful. He described 306 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: climbing a dark staircase upward toward a light. He said, 307 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: I got about halfway up the staircase and I decided 308 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: not to go any higher. I wanted to go up, 309 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: but I knew I wouldn't come back if I went 310 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: too high. That would hurt my mom and dad. Since 311 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: my little brother has already died, they wouldn't have anyone 312 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: to take care of. So this ten year old boy 313 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: in this beautiful place made the selfless choice to turn 314 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: back around and come back for his parents. Another of 315 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: doctor Morris's stories that has with heartbreaking and beautiful is 316 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: about a seven year old boy named Kurt who had 317 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: severe muscular dystrophy and was in a constant state of 318 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: pain near the end of his life. His heart stopped 319 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: for three minutes. When he was revived, he was completely 320 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: at peace. He said that when his heart stopped, he 321 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: found himself outside his body, watching the doctors and nurses. 322 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: He even said hi to one of the nurses, Bonnie. 323 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: Then everything went dark until he saw angels. He said, 324 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: I was in a beautiful place with flowers and rainbows, 325 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: where everything was white. He talked to several people there, 326 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: including Jesus, who wanted him to stay. Kurt wanted to 327 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: stay two, but they decided together that he had to 328 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: come back to see his parents one more time. After 329 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: that experience, Kurt was no longer afraid to die. He 330 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: told doctor Morse he knew he was going to a 331 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: world without pain. A few weeks later, Kurt passed away peacefully. 332 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: These experiences aren't always about floating in a beautiful garden. 333 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 2: Sometimes they are more dramatic, and even children describe them 334 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: with the words they have. Take the story of a 335 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: boy named Christian. He was digging a tunnel in the 336 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: sand at the beach when the sand collapsed on him. 337 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: He said he faded and was brought up a tunnel 338 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: of brightness. Along the way, he saw parts of his life, 339 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: like a Christmas when he was only four years old. 340 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: He knew he was out of his body and close 341 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: to death. At the end of a tunnel, he saw 342 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: a man dressed in white robes with a bright light, 343 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: who at first seemed to him like a wizard. He 344 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: also saw his friend Ryan, who had recently drowned in 345 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: a pool. The wizard spoke to him without moving his 346 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: mouth and said, son, you're too young to die. You'll 347 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 2: go back. It's not your time yet. The next thing 348 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: Christian knew he was opening his eyes at the hospital. Later, 349 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: when he was scared of getting a cat scan, a 350 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: bright light appeared to him again and told him nothing's 351 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: going to happen. You're going to be okay. His mother 352 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: said that after that moment, he was completely calm and peaceful, 353 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: telling her I saw God in the machine. These stories 354 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: shared by children from all different backgrounds are powerful. They 355 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: share the same core elements leaving the body, seeing a 356 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: tunnel and a light, and meeting loving beings, but they 357 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: are told with a purity and an honesty that's really 358 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 2: hard to deny. A tunnel becomes a huge noodle with 359 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: a rainbow in it, a divine being becomes the big 360 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: face in the sun, or a wizard. They simply tell 361 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: us what they saw, ah, And what they saw is 362 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: that death is not an end, but a beautiful and 363 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: loving beginning. Sometimes these experiences happened when a child is 364 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: too young to even report it. Take that of a 365 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: six month old baby. The baby had survived severe kidney failure, 366 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: but as he grew up, his parents noticed something strange. 367 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: He would have terrible panic attacks whenever he went through 368 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: a tunnel. They couldn't understand it. Finally, when he was 369 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: four years old, the family was talking about his grandfather 370 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: who was about to pass away. The little boy then 371 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: said that he had died too when he was a baby. 372 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: He told them about the experience in the tunnel. In 373 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: another incredible case, a boy named Mark had a full 374 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: cardiac arrest when he was only nine months old. He 375 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: didn't speak of it until he was three, after seeing 376 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: a Christmas play and telling his parents that God didn't 377 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: look like the man in the play. Then he described 378 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: his experience floating out of his body, seeing the doctors 379 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: working to wake him up, and then flying to the 380 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: waiting room, where he saw Grandma and Grandpa crying and 381 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: holding each other. He then went up a dark tunnel 382 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 2: to a bright place where he ran through fields with God. 383 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: These stories from infants and toddlers are perhaps some of 384 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: the most powerful of all. There's no possibility of them 385 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: making them up, but some children come back with memories 386 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: that are even more specific from a memory of a 387 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: life they lived before. We'll explore the incredible world of 388 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: children's past life memories when we return. You're listening to 389 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 390 00:25:42,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 391 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 2: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're about to explore a 392 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: fascinating and for some a very controversial topic, children who 393 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: have memories of past lives. But before we dive into 394 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: these incredible stories, I want to share something with you 395 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: from the bottom of my heart, especially if you're a 396 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: parent listening. It's important to know that most of the 397 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: well documented cases of children with past life memories come 398 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: from Eastern cultures with families that practice religions like Buddhism 399 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: or Hinduism. Coming back for another life is a central belief. Now. 400 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: I know that for a grieving parent, the idea of 401 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: a child coming back to live another life can bring 402 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: up a huge and painful fear. If my child comes back, 403 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: does that mean I won't see them again in the afterlife? 404 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: Does it mean they're gone forever? Please hear me on this. 405 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: I personally believe that we live in a very intelligent 406 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: and loving universe. I do not believe for one second 407 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: that the plan would be to separate you from your child. 408 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: The bond of love between a parent and a child 409 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: is the strongest force there is, and it is never 410 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: ever broken. I one hundred percent believe you will see 411 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: your child in the afterlife, and all your loved ones 412 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: in fact. So how can both of these things be true? 413 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: Although we don't have all the answers, Perhaps only a 414 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: small part of our soul's energy comes here for a 415 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: new experience via reincarnation. Maybe time works differently and our 416 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: loved ones can be in many places at once. What 417 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: I hold on to as an absolute truth is that 418 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: your child will be right there to greet you when 419 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: it's your time to go home. You will be together again. 420 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: So as we listen to these incredible stories, let's hold 421 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: that truth in our hearts. Let's look at them not 422 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: as a source of fear, but as another powerful form 423 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: of proof that our soul is eternal and very intelligent, 424 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: that it cannot be destroyed, and that it continues on 425 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: in life after this life. With that in mind, let's 426 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: talk about the groundbreaking work of a psychiatrist named doctor 427 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 2: Ian Stevenson. For fifty years he worked for the University 428 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 2: of Virginia School of Medicine, and he became known around 429 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: the world for his careful research into past lives. He 430 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: wasn't just collecting stories. Doctor Stevenson was a serious scientist. 431 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: Over forty years, he traveled thousands of miles a year 432 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: to investigate three thousand cases of children who remembered a 433 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: past life. Doctor Stevenson found some amazing patterns that showed 434 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: up again and again. He found that most children start 435 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: talking about a past life as soon as they can speak, 436 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: usually around the age of three. They often say that 437 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: their name is different or that their real family lives 438 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: in another town. Then these memories usually start to fade 439 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: away around the ages of seven or eight. The details 440 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: these children remember are stunning. They remember names of family members, 441 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: what their old house look like, and even family secrets 442 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: that only people from the past family could possibly know. 443 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: In many cases, doctor Stevenson and his team would use 444 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: these details to track down the family from the child's 445 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: past life. When the child would meet this family for 446 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: the very first time, they would be able to identify 447 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: people by name, pointing and saying that's my mother or 448 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: that's my brother. One of the most powerful and physical 449 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 2: pieces of proof that doctor Stephenson found has to do 450 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: with birthmarks and scars. He discovered that in many cases 451 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: where a person had died from a traumatic wound like 452 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: a bullet or a knife wound, they would be born 453 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: into their next life with a birthmark or a scar 454 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: that was in the exact same spot as their fatal injury. 455 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Stevenson says this is physical proof that something from 456 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: a past life can carry over to a new one, 457 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: and his research uncovered so many fascinating patterns, But one 458 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: of the most beautiful findings I think has to do 459 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: with twins. Doctor Stevenson studied thirty one sets of twins 460 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: whose past lives were factually confirmed, and in one hundred 461 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: percent of those cases, every single one the twins had 462 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: shared a significant past life relationship. They were husbands and wives, siblings, 463 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: or best friends. It's powerful evidence that souls may plan 464 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: to come back together to be reunited with the loved 465 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: ones they can't bear to be without. To see how 466 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: all of this can play one's family, I want to 467 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: share with you one of the most detailed and incredible 468 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: stories I've heard. It's the story of a woman named 469 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: Susan and her young son Jamie. In America. Susan knew 470 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: from the first moment Jamie was born that he was 471 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: an old soul. His first memories of a past life 472 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: actually started when he was fascinated with trains and talked 473 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: about building railroad cars in Wyoming. But that phase passed 474 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: and a new, much more intense one began. When he 475 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: was around three or four years old, a babysitter let 476 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: him watch the end of the movie Titanic. The very 477 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: next day, Jamie was completely absorbed by the ship. For 478 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: the next two weeks, he drew and painted over fifty 479 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: pictures of the Titanic, all from memory. But it went 480 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: far beyond just drawing. He started talking about things a 481 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: little boy should not know. He would cry and wail 482 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: about the emergency doors in the boiler rooms that trapped 483 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: the men who shoveled the coal. He would cry to 484 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: his mom, Mama, that shouldn't have happened that way. It 485 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 2: was a mistake. He insisted that they had rushed the 486 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: construction of the ship and that things were done wrong. 487 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 2: This obsession lasted for two years. The details were chilling. 488 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: One day, Jamie came home with the drawing of the 489 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: ship that showed smoke coming out from only three of 490 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: the four smokestacks. His mom, trying to be encouraging, said, oh, 491 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: this is nice, honey, did you run out of time? 492 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: Why is there no smoke coming out of the fourth smokestack. 493 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: Jamie just looked at her, shook his head and said, oh, Mama, 494 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: that's a dummy stack. It's for show. It's fake. They 495 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: didn't need it. Years later, through documentaries on the ship, 496 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: his mom found out that he was exactly correct. One 497 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: of the Titanic smokestacks was just there for looks. How 498 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: could little Jamie possibly know that? The evidence kept building. 499 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: The family got a computer game that was a mystery 500 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: set on the Titanic, where you had to find your 501 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: way around the ship. Jamie's older sister, who was a 502 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: psychology student and very skeptical, came home from the holidays. 503 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: She thought her mom was crazy for believing in all this. 504 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: Susan told her go in and sit with him and 505 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: play that game, and then you tell me what you 506 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 2: think about. Twenty minutes later, the sister came running out 507 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: of the room, white as a ghost. She grabbed her 508 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: mom and said, he knows his way around the whole ship. 509 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: He's ordering me around, telling me go port go, port. 510 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: If you go up that staircase, he'll be on the bridge, 511 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,239 Speaker 2: and then you'll be on the starboard side. There's no 512 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: way he could know the layout of the ship, let 513 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: alone use nautical terms like port and starboard unless he 514 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: had been there. Jamie even talked about the construction, saying 515 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 2: they used iron rivets instead of steel, and that the 516 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: iron became brittle in the freezing water, which is why 517 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: the iceberg cut such a huge hole in the side 518 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: of the ship. Again, this is a highly technical detail 519 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: that wasn't even in the movie. The experience was so 520 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 2: real for Jamie that he started having terrible night terrors. 521 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: He would jump out of bed and run all over 522 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 2: the house, opening doors looking for ways to escape. It 523 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: was clear he was reliving something traumatic. The family hoped 524 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: a visit to the Traveling Titanic exhibit might bring him 525 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: some peace. By this time, Jamie was six years old. 526 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: When they got to the museum in Chicago. All the 527 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: other kids were running around and playing, but Jamie he 528 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: was studying every single object, staring at each one. It 529 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 2: took them three hours to get through the exhibit because 530 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: he was so focused. At the end, they were each 531 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 2: given a card with the name of a real passenger, 532 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: and a board revealed if that person had survived. Jamie's 533 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: card was for a French Canadian architect who did not survive. 534 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 2: Jamie couldn't read the board yet and was frantic, saying, Mama, 535 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 2: did I make it? Did I make it? His mom 536 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: and sister just couldn't bear to tell him the truth. 537 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 2: His mom looked at him and said, yes, honey, you did. Look, 538 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: here's your name right here. You made it. Jamie was 539 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: so relieved and happy. They had hoped the visit would 540 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: bring him some closure, and in a way, it did, 541 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: but not before one final terrifying night. A couple of 542 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 2: weeks later, Jamie had a night terror that his mom 543 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 2: calls the death dream. She was home alone with him 544 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: and heard a loud pounding coming from his room. She 545 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: ran in and found her son on all fours on 546 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 2: his bed, shaking so violently that the metal head bore 547 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 2: was banging against the wall. He was staring at the floor, 548 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: and she knew he couldn't see her. Before she could 549 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 2: even move, a voice came out of him that was 550 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 2: not a little boy's voice at all, a man's voice. 551 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 2: Screamed with a terror. She couldn't describe saying, she's going down. 552 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: His mother realized in that moment, oh my god, he's 553 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: going through the sinking of that ship. She sat next 554 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 2: to him, terrified and rubbed his back until the shaking 555 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: finally stopped and he fell back asleep. The next morning 556 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: she asked him about the dream. Jamie, with his dry 557 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: sense of humor, just looked at his mom, shook his 558 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: head and said, Mama, you know the water was freezing. 559 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 2: Right after that night, the night terror stopped. He slowly 560 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 2: stopped talking about the Titanic, and the obsession just faded away. 561 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 2: It was as if by reliving that final terrible moment, 562 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 2: he was finally free. Years later, when asked about it, 563 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 2: Jamie said that the Titanic was just as familiar to 564 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 2: him as his own house. The family came to believe 565 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: he had been Thomas Andrews, the man who designed the ship, 566 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: who felt so responsible that he chose to go down 567 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 2: with it. If you scroll back to episodes one twenty 568 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: six seventy two, and there are some others, there's lots 569 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 2: and lots and lots and lots of stories of children 570 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 2: and their past life memories, and as incredible as these 571 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 2: stories sound. They are another powerful form of evidence for 572 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: the survival of the soul. They show us that children 573 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 2: may have lived lives before and that the soul's journey 574 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 2: is a continuous one. But what about the parents who 575 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 2: are here now missing their child? Are their ways for 576 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 2: them to actively can and communicate? Are there ways for 577 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 2: all of us to actively connect and communicate with our 578 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: loved ones no matter what the age. We'll explore a 579 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 2: couple communication methods when we get back. You are listening 580 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 581 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 582 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 2: of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. During our time together, 583 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: we've been on a journey hearing some of the powerful 584 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: and evidential stories of the afterlife through the eyes of children. 585 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: We've heard their nd stories and memories of seeing loved ones, 586 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 2: and even their memories of life they lived before. These 587 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: stories give us proof that our soul is eternal and 588 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: that death is not the end. But for a parent 589 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 2: who is grieving, or anyone missing their loved one, the 590 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: next and most important question is how can I connect 591 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 2: with my loved one? How can I know they're okay, 592 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: how can I continue our relationship. In this final segment, 593 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 2: I want to move from evidence to empowerment. I want 594 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 2: to share a few different methods that other grieving parents 595 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 2: have used to build and maintain an ongoing connection with 596 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: their children in the spirit world. There are many more ways, 597 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 2: as you may have heard in our last episode. Together. 598 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 2: These practices are not things that require you to be 599 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 2: a medium. You just need a little patience and an 600 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 2: open mind and love in your heart. The first method 601 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 2: is a powerful technique called automatic writing. This comes from 602 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 2: the story of doctor mi and Matthew McKay, a psychology 603 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 2: professor who was a complete skeptic about the afterlife until 604 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 2: his son Jordan, was tragically killed. Consumed with the need 605 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 2: to know if his son still existed and was okay, 606 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: doctor McKay went on a journey that led him to 607 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 2: this form of communication. It allows him to have a 608 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: two way conversation with his son, just like they used 609 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 2: to at the kitchen table. He learned that this is 610 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: something we can all do. It's about quieting our busy, 611 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: analytical mind just long enough to allow the thoughts and 612 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 2: feelings from our loved ones to come through. Doctor McKay 613 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 2: laid out a simple, step by step process I want 614 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 2: to share with you now. First, create a safe space. 615 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 2: Find a quiet place in your home where you feel 616 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 2: secure and he won't be disturbed. For him, it was 617 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 2: his childhood desk. For you, it might be a comfy 618 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 2: chair or a spot in the garden. Make it your 619 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 2: special place for connection. Second, set your intention. Simply verify 620 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: in your mind who you want to talk to. You 621 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 2: can say it out loud or just think it. I 622 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 2: want to connect with my son Jordan, or I'm open 623 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: to connect with my daughter Sarah. Third, use a personal object. 624 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 2: Doctor McKay found it helpful to hold on to something 625 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 2: that connected him to his son. He used a funny 626 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 2: business card Jordan had made in high school. You might 627 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: hold a favorite toy, piece of jewelry, a photograph. The 628 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 2: physical object can act as an anchor a way to 629 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 2: focus your love and energy. Fourth, use a candle for focus. 630 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 2: You can light a candle and place it in front 631 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 2: of you. This gives the eyes something to rest on 632 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 2: and helps to quiet the visual distractions around you. Fifth, 633 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 2: do a simple breathing meditation. This is the most important 634 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: part for quieting that busy mind. Close your eyes or 635 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 2: softly gaze at the candle. Bring all of your attention 636 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 2: to your breathing. As you exhale, count one. On the 637 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: next exhale, count two, and so on all the way 638 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 2: to ten. If your mind wanders, just gently bring your 639 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 2: focus back to your breath and start counting again. Do 640 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: this a few rounds until you feel a sense of 641 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: calm and openness. Sixth, visualize the connection while you're in 642 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 2: this quiet state. Imagine a ball of light, like a 643 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: little sun, about six inches above your head. Then see 644 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 2: that ball of light stretch out into a tube or 645 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 2: beam that connects from you to the soul of your child. 646 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: This is you opening up the channel with your intention. Finally, 647 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 2: begin to write. Open a notebook or your computer and 648 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: write down your first question. It can be simple, are 649 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 2: you here with me? Or what are you doing now? 650 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 2: Or I miss you so much today? Then just wait. 651 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: The answer will show up in your mind. It might 652 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 2: come a few distinct words, a full sentence, or just 653 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 2: a feeling or an image. Whatever it is, Your only 654 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 2: job is to write it down without judging it. Don't 655 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 2: stop to analyze it, don't ask it did I just 656 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 2: make that up? Just let the pen or your fingertips flow. 657 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: The act of writing itself helps keep you in that open, 658 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 2: receptive state. When the flow of thoughts stop, you can 659 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 2: write your next question. The biggest hurdle for all of 660 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 2: us is doubt. That little voice will jump in and 661 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 2: say this is crazy, I'm just talking to myself. Doctor 662 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 2: McKay says he still feels that doubt even after fifteen years. 663 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 2: The secret, he says, is just keep going, acknowledge the doubt, 664 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 2: and then just push through it. Your love for your 665 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 2: child or loved one is stronger than your doubt. Over time, 666 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 2: as you feel your journal, you will look back and 667 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 2: see some of the beautiful wisdom the unique personality of 668 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 2: your loved one in the words on the page, and 669 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 2: doubt will begin to fade. I always say, in the beginning, 670 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: could seem like ninety nine percent us in one percent them. 671 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: In time they get to practice, and that percentage will 672 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 2: be greater and greater. Now, if a structured writing practice 673 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 2: feels like too much, there's another more feeling based way 674 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 2: to connect. This is the path that Maria pay took 675 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 2: after the unimaginable loss of her two sons, Sean and Kyle. 676 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 2: A friend guided her to a shaman who taught her 677 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 2: how to find her sons in her mind's eye through 678 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 2: a form of guided meditation. Her journey starts out even 679 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 2: more simply. Her teacher told her just go sit outside, 680 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 2: close your eyes and just focus on listening. Listening to 681 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 2: a bird, a dog in the distance, the traffic. Just listen. 682 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 2: She found that giving her thinking brain a simple job 683 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 2: to do listening allowed the rest of her being to 684 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 2: relax and receive. It was in those quiet moments that 685 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 2: she first started to fee the presence of her boys again. 686 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 2: From there, she learned to create a special safe place 687 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 2: in her imagination, a place she called the Upper Realm. 688 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful garden where she knew she could 689 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 2: go to and meet with her sons. The meetings she 690 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 2: had there were so real, so vivid, that they felt 691 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 2: more real than her everyday life. Imagine this for yourself. 692 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 2: She describes walking into a garden and seeing her boys 693 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 2: crying with emotion. She goes to them and they put 694 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 2: their arms around her. They sit at a table together 695 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: and she watches them peel and eat their favorite fruits. 696 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 2: She tells them, I miss you so much, and they 697 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 2: hold her, stroking her hair, saying It's okay, mom. We're 698 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,879 Speaker 2: always with you. You don't ever have to worry about us, 699 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 2: but we worry about you. This is the kind of deep, loving, 700 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 2: and healing connection that is possible when we create a 701 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 2: sacred space in our minds and invite our loved ones 702 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 2: in now. Both of these methods involve setting aside a 703 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 2: special time to actively seek connection. But what if connection 704 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 2: could come to us in those quiet, magical moments that 705 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 2: we all experience every day. That brings us to a 706 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 2: third beautiful practice, a method shared by psychologist and dream 707 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 2: expert doctor Janet peter Lado. She calls it entering the 708 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 2: dream Gate. The dream gate isn't just about nighttime dreams. 709 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 2: It's about that soft, gentle space between being fully awake 710 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 2: and fully asleep. It's at twilight time in the morning, 711 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 2: when you're just starting to wake up, or at night 712 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 2: when you're just starting to drift off. In those moments, 713 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 2: our busy logical mind hasn't fully taken over yet, and 714 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 2: we are incredibly open to the spirit world. Doctor Janet 715 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 2: offers a simple way to practice this. Set your alarm 716 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 2: clock with a soft, gentle sound and like chimes for 717 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 2: about twenty minutes before you actually need to get out 718 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: of bed. When it goes off, the most important thing 719 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 2: is don't move, stay perfectly still with your eyes closed, 720 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 2: and simply ask yourself questions, where was I, what was 721 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 2: I doing, who was I with, and how do I feel? 722 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 2: Then pay attention to whatever pops into your head. It 723 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 2: might be a fragment of a dream, or it might 724 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 2: be a brand new scene that appears in your mind. 725 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 2: Maybe you see yourself at your grandmother's kitchen table, maybe 726 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 2: you're walking on the beach with your child. Whatever it is, 727 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 2: your job is to treat it as real. And this 728 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 2: is the most important part of her advice, she says. 729 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 2: When people tell her, oh, it's just my imagination, she 730 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 2: tells them to stop cut out the just She says, yes, 731 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 2: it's my imagination, and thank god I have it because 732 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 2: it's the tool that allows me to connect. The imagination 733 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 2: is not a lie. It's a key to the dream gate. 734 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 2: She says. It's the language of the soul. Doctor Janet 735 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 2: shared a powerful story of how this works. Twenty five 736 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 2: years after her daughter Jeanette passed away. She was in 737 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 2: that in between state one morning when she saw her 738 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 2: daughter standing by the window. She was physical, she was warm, 739 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 2: and she hugged her mom. Jeanette said, don't forget me, mommy, 740 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 2: and then said, thank you Daddy for saving my pony. 741 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Janet had no idea what she meant. Later that day, 742 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 2: she asked her husband about it. It turned out that 743 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 2: as they were clearing out boxes of old toys, he 744 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 2: had been secretly saving one thing without telling her, Jeanette's 745 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 2: beloved my little pony toy. Her daughter had come through 746 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 2: the dream gate with a piece of information that no 747 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 2: one else could have known. These methods, automatic writing, guided journeying, 748 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 2: and entering the dream gate all show us that the 749 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,479 Speaker 2: relationship with our loved ones does not end. The love 750 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 2: is still there, the connection is still there, and communication 751 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 2: is one hundred percent absolutely possible. We just need to 752 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 2: learn to listen in a new way. Our bonds are eternal, 753 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 2: our loved ones are okay, children are growing and learning, 754 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 2: and most importantly, they're all waiting for us. They want 755 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 2: us to live our lives fully, to find joy again, 756 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 2: but also to know that they're right by our side, 757 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 2: loving and supporting us in every step we take. My friend, 758 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 2: our time together is just about up for today. As 759 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 2: a reminder, come visit me at we Don't Die dot 760 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 2: com come to one of our free Sunday gatherings with 761 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 2: medium demonstration included. If you don't have a copy of 762 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 2: my book yet, you can just enter your name and 763 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,280 Speaker 2: your email address at the bottom of the website page. 764 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 2: There you can go to Shades ofthe Afterlife dot com 765 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 2: and scrolled through two hundred plus episodes and find episodes 766 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 2: that interest you. I appreciate your time, I appreciate you 767 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 2: being on this journey, and I'll continue to give you 768 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 2: everything I've got to let you know that your loved 769 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 2: ones are alive, you will see them again. They are 770 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 2: part of your life, and that your life matters. It 771 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 2: reminds me of the beautiful words A ship in a 772 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 2: harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are 773 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 2: built for. Your life is that ship. It is meant 774 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 2: for the journey, for the experiences, for the love. Go 775 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 2: live it fully knowing they are always with you. I'm 776 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of the 777 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal 778 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 2: podcast network. 779 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 780 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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