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Speaker 1: Why did they do that? What does that mean? And

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Speaker 1: then we also have what's going on in Europe right now,

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Speaker 2: How would that happen? What do you need to know

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Speaker 1: We've got the House Intelligence Committee chair warning about a

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Speaker 2: So what does all of this mean?

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Speaker 1: What should you know about what is really happening in

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Speaker 1: the world. We're gonna have Rebecca Koffler on the show today.

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Speaker 1: We've had her on before. She always brings a unique

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Speaker 1: intelligence officer and author of Putin's playbook. She's also the

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Speaker 1: managing editor of Cuttothnews dot com, and she's going to

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Speaker 1: You're gonna learn a lot. I know I did stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rebecca. It's great to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that we have a

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Lisa, you and your audience today.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start out on you know, before we

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Speaker 2: Is that normal and what do you make of that report?

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Speaker 3: It should not be normal, Lisa. In fact, it is illegal.

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Speaker 3: And it's because they wanted to remove Trump from you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, clearly right now there's and I want to make

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Speaker 3: it clear that many, many good people in the intelligence community,

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Speaker 3: in which I want about Putent's invasion of Ukraine that

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Speaker 3: I was stunned, Lisa, when I heard this, this thing

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Speaker 3: Sure, I'll address the Russia China relationship. First, it is

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Speaker 3: not a true strategic alliance the way that Putin and

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Speaker 3: GMP one of portray uh their partners. But they're more

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Speaker 3: like of a marriage of convenience. What drives them is

436
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: they're like a lot of marriages, so so they are.

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Speaker 3: What unites them is their hostility towards the United States

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Speaker 3: and the perception that the United States is their threat

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Speaker 3: number one, but in reality Russia perceives China as threat

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Speaker 3: number two? Why is that? And alluded to that although

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00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: you kind of had to be uh, have to be

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Speaker 3: able to read between the lines when he said what

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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: he talked and talk about it was very interesting to me. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Putin dominated the most of the discussion, and he was

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Speaker 3: very relaxed and and very kind of full of himself.

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Speaker 3: But the one question that Putin visibly got really not angry,

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Speaker 3: but I could tell like his entire demeanor has changed

448
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: and he got kind out close to Taka's space is

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Speaker 3: when the question that asked was about China, and Putin

450
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Speaker 3: UH basically said, China is has been developing economically and

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Speaker 3: nearly tarily by leaps and bands and I'm paraphrasing. He

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Speaker 3: didn't use that specific words, but and so China is

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Speaker 3: even a bigger threat to the United States than Russia.

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Speaker 3: And there are two schools of that are not an

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Speaker 3: intelligence community. But that is the reason uh why Putin,

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Speaker 3: as he told Tuka for years, try to uh be friends,

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Speaker 3: if you will, with NATO and with the West. To

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Speaker 3: the point ways well Clinton, whether Russia could join NATO,

459
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: it is because they wanted to offset the China threat.

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Speaker 3: Russia has a huge border with China. The Chinese are

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Speaker 3: acutely aware that uh the economy trump Russia's economy, and

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Speaker 3: they've been infiltrating uh their population uh to the far

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Speaker 3: eastern border to Russia. Right, because Russia has a lot

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Speaker 3: of natural resources and and China doesn't, or China that

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Speaker 3: has different resources. Right. So in that sense, they don't

466
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Speaker 3: have a specific very tight coordination. But if let's say,

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Speaker 3: uh they want to challenge the US and the two

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Speaker 3: theater war, they could coordinate that, right Uh. China attacks Taiwan,

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Speaker 3: Russia is writing up the ante in Ukraine. We're already

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Speaker 3: spread out. Then you know that they could do. But

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Speaker 3: it's not like their bodies and they share intelligence and

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Speaker 3: they trust each other. Iran is a different story with Russia.

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Speaker 3: And Russia right now is flowing assistance both from China

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Speaker 3: and from Iran to help them prosecute the campaign UH

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Speaker 3: in Ukraine. And so again they don't coordinate tightly with Iran,

476
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Speaker 3: but if they can stage something that would challenge the

477
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: United States spread our resources even and unbalanced Washington, that

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00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: they could do. And clearly, all of these foreign annastories,

479
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: they're acutely aware of President Biden's cognitive and mental decline,

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Speaker 3: and that could embolden somebody like Aroan to pop a

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Speaker 3: nuke in order to discorient us even further.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of articles recently about how Ukraine is

483
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Speaker 1: struggling to counter Russia's advances on the battlefield on land,

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Speaker 1: but they're having success at sea with things like naval drones.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean for the broader war in Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and where does that stand today?

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Speaker 3: So the war is right now in a deadlog basically,

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Speaker 3: and my analysis has always been and it remains that

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Speaker 3: there's no military path to victory for Ukraine. It is

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Speaker 3: simply mathematically impossible. And the reason being is Russian military.

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Speaker 3: Despite all the propaganda that you hear from the Washington

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Speaker 3: establishment and the legacy media, Russia is considered by the

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Speaker 3: Pentagon as a near peer competitor. It has the second

494
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Speaker 3: best military in the world, right and so they also

495
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: have the population three times more than Ukraine. The Russians

496
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: have about between one hundred and forty three and one

497
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: fifty right now million. Ukrainians have forty three million. Right.

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Speaker 3: So the war of attrition is what Putin is waging

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Speaker 3: right now, and you can fight until the last Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: And right now the average age of Ukrainian soldier is

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Speaker 3: forty three and its rising. And the health of Ukrainian

502
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: men is very different than than Americans, let's say. And

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Speaker 3: so Ukrainians are almost out of AMMO there rationing AMMAL

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00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: right now, the front lines have not really changed like

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Speaker 3: in the past year. I think less than maybe five

506
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: miles or so, I need to double check has changed hands.

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Speaker 3: So it's just the killing is continuing. The Ukrainian land

508
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: is now devastated. Ukraine is ceasing to exist as a

509
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Speaker 3: viable country because we are providing not only weaponry, but

510
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: also we're providing salaries to their civilian personnel, to the

511
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 3: entire government, right tensions, et cetera. And so after we

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00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: cut off our aid, if the aid is not approved.

513
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: Ukraine is basically on the verge of collapse. Its critical

514
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Speaker 3: infrastructure is destroyed, it's agricultural base is demolished, and the

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Speaker 3: country is depopulated a quarter of a million, almost a

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Speaker 3: quarter of a million. It's approaching the number of dead

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Speaker 3: or severely wounded Ukrainian man is the casualty toll. And

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Speaker 3: I think Joe Biden has the Ukrainians blood on his

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00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: hands by just prolonging, prolonging this war. And it's the

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Speaker 3: biggest tragedy.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's obviously a funding fight on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: about money going to Ukraine. Well, more money and weapons

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Speaker 1: changed the outcome for Ukraine, because you know, that's the

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Speaker 1: argument that a lot of people are making right now.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I mean, look, we have already provided or

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Speaker 3: committed to provide on the of two hundred billion. What

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Speaker 3: do you think another sixty or however many billion will

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Speaker 3: do that two hundred didn't do. And on top of that,

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Speaker 3: we don't have the production capacity to continue pumping out

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Speaker 3: military hardware to supply to Ukraine, right, and neither do

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Speaker 3: the Europeans and so But put on the other hand,

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Speaker 3: like I said, he transitioned to his economy on the

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Speaker 3: what I'm putting in about twenty fifteen, and they have

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Speaker 3: no problem producing these kinetic military hardware that is required.

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Speaker 3: And now, what he also demonstrated with the recent launch

536
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Speaker 3: this kaypersonic missile is that Ukrainians air defenses are going

537
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Speaker 3: to have a very hard time with the wistard corn

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Speaker 3: And basically putting his signaling right now is that it's

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Speaker 3: time to come to the negotiating table because for all

540
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Speaker 3: intents and purposes, this war is already done. It's ended.

541
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Speaker 3: Ukraine has lost, Russia has won by virtue of having

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Speaker 3: a different definition of victory. Put in, his definition of victory

543
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: was redline of Ukraine being part of NATO. He has

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Speaker 3: achieved that because as long as Ukraine is divided, there's

545
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Speaker 3: no Turtle integrity and there's an ongoing military operations, it

546
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: is not eligible. And so no matter how long, and

547
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: he can sustain this war for a long time because

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Speaker 3: he just increased his defense budget seventy percent from twenty

549
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Speaker 3: twenty three to twenty twenty four. He also is mobelizing

550
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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy additional true to the maximum total

551
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: of about a million point seven and so he has

552
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Speaker 3: tremendous industrial militia economic capacity to continue, and Ukraine is

553
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: on the verge of collapse, and so no additional billions, unfortunately,

554
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: are not gonna help Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised that Ukraine's been able to hang on

556
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Speaker 1: this long? Is this longer than you anticipated?

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Speaker 3: It is longer that I anticipated. But what I didn't

558
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: anticipate is that the United States would provide this level

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00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: of weaponry to Ukraine, because I could have never anticipated

560
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: that we would deplete our own reference arsenal to dangerous

561
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: levels like that, because right now, the production the timeline

562
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: for replant sing for some of these weapons systems javelins,

563
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: for example, is between eight and seventeen years. So no,

564
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Speaker 3: I would never anticipate that we would do such a thing,

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Speaker 3: And that is the only reason Ukraine was able to prevail,

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Speaker 3: you know, in addition to the fact that they've been really,

567
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: really valiant fighters, and Zelenski did not capitulate in the

568
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: very beginning, as Putin anticipated. So many people, including Pudin

569
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: and many intelligence analysts, were surprised by how good Ukraine

570
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: was able to hold on.

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Speaker 1: So does that mean that they could surprise US further

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Speaker 1: and be able to expel Russia.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe. So they simply don't have the manpower.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no like I said, said the average

575
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Speaker 3: age is forty three now and Ukrainian intelligence services are

576
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: hunting for people. They literally grab people off the street.

577
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: Talking about democracy. That's another you know hoax that the

578
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Speaker 3: media and the deep state propagated here is saying that

579
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Speaker 3: Ukraine is a democracy. Nothing can be further from the truth.

580
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: But so, no, they don't have the main power, they

581
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: don't have the required Notary Hidhware, Biden never provided. He

582
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: just provided enough weaponry for to Ukraine to virtues signal

583
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Speaker 3: that he's doing something. But he never provided a sufficient

584
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Speaker 3: amount for Ukraine to win. And there's a very specific

585
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Speaker 3: reason for that. If he did provide, that Putin would

586
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: bring war home to the United States, right, So Biden

587
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: knew that. Again, Biden was briefed on all of that,

588
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: you know, Russian world writing strategy prudence, how Putin is

589
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: holding US homeland at risk, whether it's cyber, whether it's hypersonics,

590
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: space weapons, you name it, and a lot of other

591
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: like non kinetic means. And so Biden knew that Ukraine

592
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: could never win. The reason, the real reason, Lisa, why

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Speaker 3: the Europeans and the Washington establishment continue or wanted to

594
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: provide a weaponry is to weaken Russia's military potential because

595
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: because the Europeans never provided for their own defense. Think

596
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: about this, Only eleven countries right now, eleven NATAL members

597
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: out of thirty one pay or even on track to

598
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: pay two percent of their gross domestic product towards the defense.

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Speaker 3: So they basically have been freeloading on us. And then

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Speaker 3: they decided that they're just going to use Ukrainians as

601
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 3: me to throw in Putin's meat grind. This is why

602
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: Boris Johnson went to Kiev right several months after the

603
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: invasion and talked Zelenski out of negotiating with Russia. It's

604
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Speaker 3: because both the United States and Needle wanted to weaken

605
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 3: the Russian capability. But that is deeply, deeply, you know, immoral,

606
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Speaker 3: because as I said, quarto over million of Ukrainian men

607
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: are are now out of commission.

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Speaker 2: Before we go.

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Speaker 1: What kind of end deal and the war deal do

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Speaker 1: you think Putin would be amenable to or would actually

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Speaker 1: agreed to.

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Speaker 3: Point yes, So here's my analysis on that. So Putin

613
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: clearly wants to negotiate. It's very clear from Tekkausm's interviews,

614
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Speaker 3: but it's not going to be a cake walk for us.

615
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: In the beginning of this war, or like a few

616
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Speaker 3: months into it, my assessment was that Wudn't could just

617
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Speaker 3: be happy with the twenty percent that that that he

618
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: got right, and but now he feels emboldened. My analysis

619
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Speaker 3: is that he wants to settle on his terms, which

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Speaker 3: would be Primeer will remain Russian, and he would want

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Speaker 3: the West to recognize premiers Russian. The twenty percent that

622
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Speaker 3: of the Dombas, the bar he uh annexed, they want

623
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Speaker 3: that too, but they also want to RECOGNI. They want

624
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Speaker 3: the West to recognize them legally, like legally bound agreement

625
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: not to allow Ukraine to be part of Natal. So

626
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Speaker 3: he wants those guarantees and probably the removal of the sanctions.

627
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Speaker 3: My assessment is that none of it is acceptable to

628
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Speaker 3: Washington or to Brussels, and so therefore the war will

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Speaker 3: likely continue.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's.

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Speaker 1: Sad to hear. Rebecca Coefler. Appreciate you taking the time

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Speaker 1: to come on the show and bring all this insight

633
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: to us. Always fascinating stuff. I always learned so much

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Speaker 1: from you. I really appreciate you making the time for us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Lisa. And if I may mention

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Speaker 3: my new newsletter for independent thinkers that I launched. It

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Speaker 1: Well there you go, guys, go sign up for that. Rebecca,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time. Really do you always learn

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Speaker 1: so much?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you Lisa. That was Rebecca Koffler.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate her taking the time to bring her insight and

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Speaker 1: her background to talk about all this stuff. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: lot going on in the world, so always good to

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Speaker 1: hear someone's insight who has an expertise in the matter.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys at home for listening

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Speaker 1: every Monday and Thursday, but of course you can listen

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Speaker 1: throughout the week. Also want to thank John Cassio and

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Speaker 1: my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,