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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, You're about to listen to one of two

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Speaker 1: year end episodes featuring our post Renee Stubbs, as well

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Speaker 1: as cultural attache Andrea Pekovic. The two of them go

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Speaker 1: deep on first the women of twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 3: Don't miss it season.

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Speaker 2: I really hope so. I think it would be a

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Speaker 2: great value for Gucci who needs a win like that

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. Joining me today in the pod is

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Speaker 3: the one and only Andrea Petkovic. Petco Andy, do you

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Speaker 3: have any other names?

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Speaker 2: I don't. And Andrea is good for me, Petko is

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Speaker 2: good for me. Andy is good for me. So whatever

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Speaker 2: whichever one you prefer, I am the Caitlin off Today's show,

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Speaker 2: although I think I will take the guest host role

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Speaker 2: rather than the host role. I don't know. How is

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Speaker 2: it with you guys? Do you separate or.

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Speaker 3: Do you just just go?

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Speaker 2: You just do co hosts.

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Speaker 3: There's no banta and we talk and it just ends

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Speaker 3: up being bullshit, absolutely good pretty much what we do do,

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Speaker 3: just what you and I do on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so now just put it in front of microphones.

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Speaker 2: I am a little jittery from the coffees that we've had,

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Speaker 2: and I'm very proud of us, Renee, because we are

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Speaker 2: not actually just sitting down and bullshitting. We have made

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Speaker 2: a list, we have made talking pines, we have researched,

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Speaker 2: and we are ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I know this might be the first time that I've

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Speaker 3: ever done any of that. Really, It's one of the

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Speaker 3: things that Caitlin and I do is usually write down

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Speaker 3: about five things and then we just bullshit. But you know,

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Speaker 3: because of your German heritage now certainly doesn't come from

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Speaker 3: your parents because they are not your German born, but

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Speaker 3: that part of you comes out in being organized, having lists.

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Speaker 3: There's one thing I know about you, Pecko, and for

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Speaker 3: all the listeners out there, if you go to dinner

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Speaker 3: with Petco, I am very much an on time person.

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Speaker 3: I might come a minute or two earlier. I have

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Speaker 3: a propensity to never be late because I hate people

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Speaker 3: that are late. It really pisses me off because I

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Speaker 3: think what your Your time's more important than money. I

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Speaker 3: always know that you, my friend, will be there on time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so you're organized, You're on time. And now we have lists.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to get into it, Petco and are

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Speaker 3: going to give a bit of a wrap up of

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Speaker 3: this year. Even though there's still a men's tournament going

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that it's too long? Honestly? Like, I

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Speaker 2: they need to refuel, They need a proper off season.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have a proper off season, you know

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Speaker 2: it just as well. Renee, you get injured, and we

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. I mean I've been saying this for years.

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Speaker 3: But you know, then he didn't play after the Australian Open.

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Speaker 3: It's like he needed a break. I'm like, dude, you

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Speaker 2: Do think that that's a really good point you're making,

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why good coaching is so important.

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Speaker 2: these things are just as important. That's why coaches with

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Speaker 3: And I think the agents can put their two cents

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Speaker 3: they're taking a cut of that. Yeah, but I mean

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Speaker 3: She was like, eh, I'm done after the US Open.

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Speaker 3: that's what Novak's doing right now. He didn't play anything

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Speaker 2: He played Paris and then the Fins and Davis Cup.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want, and that's why that's why he won.

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Speaker 2: I think because many times you see it that the

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Speaker 3: That is your theory, and that's my theory. It is

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Speaker 2: But he last year he didn't he played more and

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Speaker 3: You are correct, yes, but let's.

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Speaker 2: Get into it. Let's talk about Novak Djokovic, because he

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Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic. How did you watch the Davis Cup finals?

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on it? What were your feelings?

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Speaker 3: I watched every single day, almost wake up in the morning.

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Speaker 3: And it was great to have tennis still on, to

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Speaker 3: be quite frank, and obviously these great players playing against

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Speaker 3: I was like, damn, holy cow. Good for him, and

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Speaker 3: then also Novak, like good for him to go and play.

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Speaker 3: Both of them to go and play is incredible to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think this we have to stress as much

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Speaker 2: That was such a good man, It was really good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing to me that Yannick Sinner, you know,

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Speaker 3: phenomenal to be able to do, because you know, Novak's

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Speaker 3: Neither of them had won Davis Cup. They both obviously

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Speaker 2: Well Serbia one Davis Cup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right, he did, so he's already done it,

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Speaker 3: so so for him to and another reason for Novak

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Speaker 3: So I thought the Davis Cup was incredible. Wow, like

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Speaker 3: how good is that? But also it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, strange. Let's stay with that match just for a while.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of the three match points Novak?

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Speaker 2: Third set five, four jicks and a serving down last

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Speaker 2: How did you watch it? Like were your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought the first one was his chance.

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Speaker 2: To win the weird slash, Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 3: Definitely the first point. He should have won that point

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Speaker 3: in some respects, I think, and you could see that

434
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Speaker 3: on her face. Of the austral Open, like losing the

435
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Speaker 3: semi finals.

436
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 2: You caught us foth round. She didn't have great results

437
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: in the Slam, I mean great results. I would have

438
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,719
Speaker 2: signed her results in the other slams right away, right,

439
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 2: let's be clear. But for a number one player who

440
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 2: won Roland Garros and won six titles this year, she

441
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 2: lost in the fourth round that the Australian Open, lost

442
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,880
Speaker 2: in the fourth round of the US Open, and made

443
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 2: the quarters in Wimbledon.

444
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: So she, you know, for her standards as a number

445
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 3: one in the world and as the best player in

446
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,439
Speaker 3: the world, particularly with what she did the year before.

447
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 3: It was not a great season at the Slams, but

448
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 3: she won the year, won the French Open again, she

449
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 3: won the WTA finals, and she finished the year quite well.

450
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: She think after having sort of a bit of a

451
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: tough year really, especially after wumbledon through US Open. Swing

452
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 3: was not good. And then you know, she lost in

453
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 3: Tokyo early, caught super fast and you're like, shit, you

454
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: know what's going on here? And she looked vulnerable. She

455
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 3: looked scared, vulnerable, She looked like anyone who could hit

456
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: the ball hard could sort of put her under some pressure.

457
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 3: And then she turned it around. She won in China

458
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 3: in Beijing, and then won the WTA finals in Kankun

459
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: and looked unbelievable. Didn't look great in the first match,

460
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 3: won it down like five to two in the first set,

461
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: and then just swept everybody after that. So I think

462
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 3: she is by far the favorite now going into this

463
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: Train Open. But I think what she did this year

464
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: was a learning experience about how to handle the pressure

465
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 3: of what you did the year before. And as we know,

466
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 3: because she.

467
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 2: Was the dominating player life year far.

468
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so thirty seven match win street. No one's done

469
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: that since a year two thousand when Venus did it.

470
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that's think about that. Think about all the

471
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: great players from two thousand to twenty twenty three that

472
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: had not done that. So I think she put a

473
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on herself and I think she'd learned

474
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: a really big lesson about don't worry about what you

475
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: did the year before. Yeah, just go on the court

476
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 3: and play tennis, because when you play at your best,

477
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: you're the best player in the world by far. So

478
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 3: I think she probably this year was as hard as

479
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 3: it was with the ups and the downs, I think

480
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: she probably learned more about herself this year than she

481
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 3: did last year. I think she realized what she could do,

482
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: what her capacity was. Last year. I think what she

483
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: learned this year was oh shit, okay, all right, I

484
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: don't have to do that. If I don't win everything,

485
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go into oblivion. I'm not going to die.

486
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 3: Everything's going to be okay. And then look what she

487
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 3: did at the end of the year. So I think

488
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 3: she learned a lot about herself this year, and I

489
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: think she's going to be I think she's going to

490
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: be even better next year.

491
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Speaker 2: So the one thing I will say which is interesting

492
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Speaker 2: to me to look at the Grand Slam, except for

493
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Speaker 2: Roland Garros, fast do play quicker than the rest of

494
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 2: the tour. Shannon Open place quite quick, US Open place

495
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: quite quick. You Wimbledon is on grass, so it's flat.

496
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: So these are the courts and these are the players

497
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: that tend to hurt eger And we move on to

498
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: the number two players.

499
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Speaker 3: In the running before you go on, is it funny

500
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: that she won the US Open the year before and

501
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 3: I thought the courts were faster well.

502
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to move on Toka. No,

503
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: she can win, she can't win, But that's why I

504
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: wanted to move on to Arena Sabalenka. The reason being

505
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: I do think that Arena Sabalenka. And in the beginning

506
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: of the year, and we will talk about her too,

507
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: And in the beginning of the year, partly Rebeccna two,

508
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: they did close the gap a little bit, whereas in

509
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: the first in twenty twenty two, Ego was that much

510
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: better that the surfaces didn't matter as much, right, But

511
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Sablenka did close the gap. She took over the number

512
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: one ranking at the US Open. She won three titles

513
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Speaker 2: this year. What did you make of her season?

514
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen great, Like I was courtside for

515
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: that Australian Open final, still one of the best matches

516
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: I've seen.

517
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: That was insane.

518
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: Ever an ability of both of them the ship out

519
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: of the ball like they do and hit it in

520
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: as much as I did. It was incredible when I

521
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: first saw that. When I knew they were going to

522
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: play in the final, I was like, Oh, this is

523
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 3: going to be terrible.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so too. I also thought it was

525
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: going it was incredible.

526
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Speaker 3: I wanted I think it was whoever was in the

527
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: Senate there was. I always like to have big hitters

528
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: against the counterpuncher because it's just makes for such a

529
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: better match. And I was like, Oh, this is going

530
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: to be terrible. It's gonna be no rallies, it's going

531
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: to be so bad, and it was amazing just because

532
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: they were both playing so well. So for me, the

533
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: quality of that match is probably the best match I

534
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: saw all year on path. Yeah, and I just thought,

535
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 3: you know, her ability to be able to control the

536
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: nerves on the surf. Get that back in organized she

537
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: played great. You know, she had a great year. When

538
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: you think about it, and some people consider her Player

539
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: of the year, you think, I think you could also

540
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: give an equal player of the year to her and

541
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: eGain some respects.

542
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I think the one thing

543
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: that the WTA was lacking in the past few years

544
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: was that rivalry, right, the defining rivalry, and by the rivalry,

545
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily mean between two players, Like if we

546
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: look at the men's tour, we had Rafa Raja Novac.

547
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: That's not a rivalry between two players. It's like kind

548
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 2: of a few players where you know, yes, well, but

549
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: you will know they will end up playing each other

550
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: in the semison and you're excited about who's going to

551
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: take it. And I think that was lacking. So I

552
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: was so excited to see it in the beginning of

553
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: the year, Saballenka and Rebuccina closing that gap and Sablenka

554
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: just breathing down EGA's neck. Because I agree with you,

555
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: I think this year was very important for Ega, and

556
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: I think we will see her next year having taken

557
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: another step in her in the level of her play

558
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 2: because of that, and I think if she had if

559
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: she had dominate, if she had just continued to dominate,

560
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: I think there is a danger to stagnate when you

561
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: don't have somebody pushing you from the back. And I

562
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: said the reason for me, why Arena Sabalenka is the

563
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: player of the year or has a small edge of it? Igashiantek?

564
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: She yes, she could have won all four slams she

565
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 2: was up, could have, would have, should have, I know,

566
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: but she she won, yes, and open had five two

567
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: in the third set against Smoke.

568
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: Don't you think that that's the match that just killed her?

569
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: It did. Until then she was the leading She couldn't that, yes, well,

570
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: and she was until then. She was in number one

571
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: in leading wins on the WTA Tour. She had won

572
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: by far the most matches until then, and it did

573
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: kind of break her. But then again, semi finals Wimbledon,

574
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: she should have won that match against Ons two. She

575
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: was up a set and had break points, multiple breakpoints

576
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: to go up a set and a break. The momentum

577
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: was completely on her side. Lost that match, and the

578
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: same thing happened in the final at the US Open,

579
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: where she was up a set and the momentum was

580
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: completely on her side to beat Coco. I think the

581
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: audience had something to do with it. We will talk

582
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: about Coco, but in a different universe, Saballeenka has won

583
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: the Grand Slam. There was a probable chance for her

584
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: to do that. So that's why just the Grand Slam

585
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: performances for me this year from her were absolutely stunning,

586
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: and I think if she can just stay a bit

587
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: calmer in those moments, in those big moments, she did it.

588
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: She did do it. She won the austra and Open.

589
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: It's not like she can.

590
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: That's what's weird to me is that that's the Australian Open.

591
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 3: Because we all do this, we all learn what our

592
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: breaking point is right and when it's positive and when

593
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: it's a negative for us. And she saw what a

594
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: positive was is that she kept her mind, her body,

595
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: her crazy, all the shit together at the Eustralian Open final.

596
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: If there was ever a time to lose it, sometimes

597
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: it was there. I mean even the first game where

598
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: she double folded like twice in the first game and

599
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: she started laughing. I was like, all right, SUSI well

600
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: adjusted human being, but she played unbelievable. After that moment,

601
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: she kept her shit together and finished that match off.

602
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: You think she would have learned from that moment, but

603
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: she didn't, because every big match in defined in the

604
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: semis or a final of a slam, she lost her

605
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: mind and so I was shocked by that. So if

606
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: there's one thing that she can learn is that remember

607
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: what you did the Australian Open. You kept everything together,

608
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: you went throw it. I mean remember the USI when

609
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: she threw a racket up to her player box and

610
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: it didn't make it. And I'm caught side for the

611
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: match of the semis, and I was showing I was

612
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: match no.

613
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: I was after Yes, I was one hundred percent sure

614
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: she's going to win the US Open because normally, when

615
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: you win a match like that where you're already out

616
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: and you've lost your shit and you manage to turn

617
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: it around on your inside and you win that, you're free, right,

618
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: You're just feel free. You turned around the last match

619
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: and I thought she's going to kill whoever is waiting

620
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: in the finals. She didn't Cocoa one in the end

621
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: and let's move on to Coco because I think we

622
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: can talk about each and every player for twenty five minutes,

623
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: but we do have a time restraint, I guess, so

624
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: let's do. Let's talk about Coco Goff, and I think

625
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: what I want to talk with you about her. She

626
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: has four titles. This year, had an up and down season,

627
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: but then I think the breaking point was Wimbledon. Yeah,

628
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: can you talk a little bit about that process of

629
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: transformation for Coco GoF She lost in the first.

630
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: Round and win into the interview.

631
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: I like this, but I like, I am interested in

632
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: your thoughts. I'm not like trying to play the interview here.

633
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm actually interest because we haven't talked about this in

634
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: that detail. We talk about everything all the time, but

635
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: not in this much detail. And I just wonder was

636
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: that maybe the most important loss of her career. In

637
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: a way it was.

638
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: It's sort of similar to Serena losing first round of

639
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: the French Open. Yeah too, French player was the name

640
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: of the class. I think that match turned around to

641
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: Serena's career, and I think that this match turned around

642
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: Cocos because she was out of there. She lost kind

643
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: of earlier in the doubles as well. So she left early,

644
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: went back to Florida and started training on hardcourt, and

645
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, got Brad Gilbert to help her out once

646
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: when them was over and his ESPN duties were done.

647
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: And I think that what it did to her is

648
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: that he made her understand. I think that it's yes,

649
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: your forehand is definitely dodgy, definitely needs to change in

650
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: some respects. Or we deal with it and we use

651
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: all of what you've got going for you, which is

652
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: your legs, quickst player on tour. You know, arguably other

653
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: than maybe eager, unbelievable backhand serve when it's going in

654
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: is huge, very difficult to break. Her so good at

655
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: the net. So everything she has going for her except

656
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: the forehand. So okay, let's not miss the forehand and

657
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: let's improve everything else. Do you know me? And that's

658
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: what happened. I mean, her play it. I remember watching

659
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: her at Washington because I was their court side as

660
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: an MC doing some stuff, and I remember thinking, she's

661
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: not making an errors on the forehand. Where do they go?

662
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: There's nowhere to go. There's literally no weakness on the court.

663
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: It's the same as ego. There's no weakness unless you're

664
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: pounding it to the forehand, and she's a bit late.

665
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: There's no weakness, speed serve, everything's good. So I just

666
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: noticed the transformation in her confidence of not missing the forehand,

667
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: and that's where the confidence comes from. So I think

668
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: her not missing her forehand. Then we saw what happened.

669
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: She lost to Bagoula just just loves playing against Coco.

670
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think she's lost to her, and

671
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: you know, and then she goes and wins Cincinnati again,

672
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: beats Ega for the first time, and I think Eager

673
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: learned a lot from that loss because she hasn't lost

674
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: her ego to Coco since she's beaten her twice quite comfortably.

675
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: But I think she was prepared. She's like, oh, she's

676
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: not going to miss the forehand anymore.

677
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: And sorry to interrupt you here, I just have to say,

678
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: how important unless you're Novakdjokovic, which just is a dominating

679
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: goat of you know, all time, goat of all time,

680
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: grace of all time, of all how important it is

681
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: for you to win a Slam that the stars aligned,

682
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: because if IgA doesn't play Ostapenko in the fourth round,

683
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: Ega doesn't lose. Ega plays Coco, and I have to say,

684
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: I don't think Coco beats her again after the Cincinnati.

685
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so either.

686
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: And then she's not the US Open champion. Then she's

687
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: out in the quarters. We all say, great hardcore season.

688
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: When will she win her first slam? Probably at the

689
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: French Open, right, That's what I would say, probably would

690
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: if all the pundits would have said after that. And

691
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: and that's why you can't stress enough how important jaws

692
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: are and why we look at it so and head

693
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: to heads, head to head to exactly matchups.

694
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: It's all I take. When I go into commentary, people

695
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: is like, oh, how do you know all this stuff?

696
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't know anything. I just go into the comrade

697
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: booth or sideline, and the only one thing I want

698
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: to know in the matchup, what's their head to head

699
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: and on what surface? And that's all I care about.

700
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: Everything else is based on what I'm viewing, because that's

701
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: my job as an analyst is to analyze what's happening

702
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: on the court. I don't go in with lots of

703
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: you know, notes and things like that. I just go in.

704
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: My job is to analyze what I'm saying, and I

705
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: want to know what the head to head is on

706
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: the surface that they're playing on, because somebody could beat

707
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: someone on clay five times and loose them on hardcourt.

708
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, like, I would never pick over you know,

709
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: confident Rebarkina on a fast court. Yeah right, I would

710
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: never pick to lose to Rebarkin on clay court. Yeah.

711
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? That's just sort of

712
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: Now that's not to say that they can't beat each

713
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: other on the yeah, but.

714
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: Just the probability.

715
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: So if someone says, Okay, who's your favorite, then I'll

716
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: say based on this court. So first I will say next.

717
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just one more sentence to Para Riba, because

718
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: I think Rett Gilbert had his had his moment. I

719
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: think ESPN was milking how great of a coach he

720
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: is and all those interactions. It was great. He's a

721
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: great coach. I'm not saying he's not. He's a great

722
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: coach obviously. He has thenis mind. He has a very

723
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: good tennis mind also obviously, and he brought a new energy.

724
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: But I know Pera Riba, I saw what he did

725
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: with Quinn wen Jang. I know that his way of

726
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: working on the forehand worked for Kinwen, and I know

727
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: it has worked on Cocoa Goths as well, and I

728
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of credit goes to him, and he

729
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: was forgotten, and for my taste, he was forgotten many

730
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: times because he's done the training. He's done the training.

731
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: After Coco lost in Wimbledon, she was on the court

732
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: with Para Riba. Brett Gilbert came on the first day

733
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: of Washington d C. And as I said, I'm not

734
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: taking anything away from Brett, but I am saying Para

735
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: also had his way and he also had his footprint

736
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: on it. And I think especially on the forehand, because

737
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 2: I know the Spanish exercises they do with the fast hand,

738
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: the accelerating of the wrist, the turning off the body,

739
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: the using your legs, I know what they do, and

740
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: I think it really helped her in making it savor

741
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: and have more spin on it. So I just wanted

742
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: to have a few sentences for Para Riba and his

743
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: work that he done as well.

744
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: He should go back to King to coach.

745
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, Okay, let's move on. Elena Rebacchina Renee a

746
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: weird season. She started incredibly. The first half of the

747
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: season was insane. Finals of the Austrian and Open one

748
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: Indian Wells, and I wrote down maybe the toughest Indian

749
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: Wells anyone has ever had. Can you pull it up?

750
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: Because we looked at it earlier and we were like,

751
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: this is these are the players she beat? Yeah, I

752
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: think Kennon in the first round, Farmer Grand Slam champion.

753
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: What a great start to the year she had and

754
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: frankly starting to look like could be number one in

755
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: the world starting I'm trying to pull up the while talking,

756
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: you know, starting to play some unbelievable tennis in the

757
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: biggest of moments. And her game is so big, serve

758
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: is so big, backhand is so good, forehand is very predictable.

759
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people started to pick

760
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: on that and realize that it, you know, has a

761
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: tendency to go across court ninety five percent of the time.

762
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: So people started to read that. But on a slower

763
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: hard court like Indian Welles, for example, Wow, Like, what

764
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: an incredible tournament she had there. Why can't I pull

765
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: it up?

766
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: So weird?

767
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: Well, she won two titles this year, and then it

768
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: started to right a little bit.

769
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: She lost in the finals of Miami, which was also

770
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: a great tournament for her, and then in while she

771
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: beat Sophia Kennon first round, Paula Bodosa, Grihava Mukhovae Sablenka.

772
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah crazy, that's beat the.

773
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: Number uh, you know, number one and two players in

774
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: the world semis and finals to win the tournament and

775
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, just stay.

776
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: Three Grand Slam and three Grand Slam champions.

777
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so great year. But you know her year

778
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: was marred by sickness, injuries, by all kinds of things.

779
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: So I think for her, she gets herself healthy and

780
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 3: not sick, she will be certainly a player to watch.

781
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: She is one of my favorites of this stray and

782
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: open again for making the finals and anyone that.

783
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: Goes courgeous suits her right.

784
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: And the ball suits her. So look, yeah, I mean

785
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: hopefully her coach's not yelling at her too much down

786
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: in Australia.

787
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: And we know your thoughts on that, But what do

788
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: you think what is the not what is the reason

789
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: we obviously can't look into her body, but do you

790
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: think it's just because sometimes you see that with players

791
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: who because Rebeccaa hasn't played full that many.

792
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: Full season showed the tape on all the time you

793
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: and that worries me maybe, and a lot of it

794
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: has to do with sometimes with the service motion. I

795
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not in her camp. I know her

796
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: fit in Australia as Zula. He was with Carolina Pushkovo

797
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: when I was with her, and he's fantastic. Yeah, great guy, great.

798
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: She has improved her footwork tremendously. I think that's what

799
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: he did so well.

800
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that he's one of the best trainers.

801
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: He was with Burdick for a long time, so he's

802
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: used to really tall yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, stiff the

803
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: long legs.

804
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he does.

805
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: A great He used to be in track and field.

806
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: He was a really good track and field runner himself,

807
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: so he's gotten these players to move better.

808
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: So she looked more agile because she looked like she

809
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: wasn't slow, because she when she gets running she can run.

810
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: She's not slow. But yes, because she's so tall as

811
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: these long legs, sometimes it looks a little stiff, as

812
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: you said, and she looks more agile. She definitely in

813
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year she looked very smooth actually,

814
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: how she was moving so great job to him at

815
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: level when we shout out the little in the well,

816
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: just in the parts of a team. That because everyone

817
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: likes to focus on the big star in the team,

818
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: the star coach or the star agent or whatever. So

819
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: I like when we pick out those little ones. Renee,

820
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Jess Pagoula, the quarter final queen. Yes, the quarter final queen.

821
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: What do you make of her year? She had also

822
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: had two titles, just as rebakkena one big title Montreal

823
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: one thousand title six one six zero in that final

824
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: against some Sonova so killed her.

825
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: Like, listen, Jess, great year, super consistent, she will get

826
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: to a semi. We know that the Wimbledon match would

827
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: have been absolutely heartbreaking, and I think she possibly could

828
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: have won the tournament.

829
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to ask you, Renee. So she

830
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: was in the quarters for one against Wondershova, who ended

831
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: up winning four one up with break points or game

832
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: points to go up five to one. What does it

833
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: do to you mentally? Like did you fear for her

834
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: that it could have broken? I mean she won Montreal afterwards,

835
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: so clearly it hasn't. But at that moment, right we

836
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: are in that moment, we don't know what's going to happen.

837
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: Were you worried, like, oh my god, this could break

838
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: her because I was in a sense.

839
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: No, because I think that she knows that she can

840
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: do it, she just has to do it right. And Rene, No, No,

841
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: I think that you know, when you get into that position,

842
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: you just say, all right, next time, don't fuck it up.

843
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like, next time you get

844
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: in that position, put the pedal down.

845
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: So you think it's helping lesson rather than oh my god,

846
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: this is never going happens.

847
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: Well adjusted human being that I think that she takes

848
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: those things and don't don't trust me, just like on

849
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: sher bird, Like that would have hurt There's no quick

850
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: question about it, and it would have damaged her. But

851
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: to come back and win Montreal and do it the

852
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: way she did, be eager in the semis, you know,

853
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: it's like, look she was. It was great for her

854
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: to bounce back that quickly. But I think that now

855
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: it's more about the mental thing of getting over a

856
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: quarter final. Now it's not the same. I know I

857
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: did it in doubles like where I think I lost

858
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: like six quarterfinals in a row. And then finally someone

859
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: said just look, they said detached from the outcome. Yeah,

860
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: and I did you know. And once I got through

861
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: that quarterfinals, it was like, Okay, I'm good now. And

862
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: so I think she'll be good. I think she'll be

863
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: tough to beat in Australia. She likes playing down there,

864
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: so I think she'll break through. When she does, we

865
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: can all shut up about it, you know. And but look,

866
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 3: she had a great year and super consistent and probably

867
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: the most consistent player this year other than well.

868
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: Talking of breaking through, Ranata six on jaburs that we

869
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: have to talk about that Wimbledon. We have to talk

870
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: about it. I was with you during that final while

871
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: it was happening. We were watching it together. I know

872
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: your first hand thoughts. Can you you don't have to

873
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: go into full detail, but can you talk about what

874
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: you think you watched the warm up? I don't know

875
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: if you have talked about this on the podcast. I

876
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: have listened.

877
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: She was a disaster the warm up. She was supposed

878
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: to go on Centa court and hit. Because it was

879
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: it was so windy that day, they closed the roof

880
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: and so they decided to because of the possibility to rain,

881
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: they were just going to play the final with the

882
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: roof closed and so Vondrosova. I went warmed up too,

883
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: because I was supposed to play in the old Farts

884
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: final that day and then whoever we were supposed to

885
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: play against default and so I did not playing, but

886
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: I went and warmed up for like ten minutes. I

887
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: went and hit balls. It was so windy it was

888
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: a joke. And then who do I see walking over

889
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 3: there to hit balls, Vondro sober So I'm like, oh,

890
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: she's going over to hit in this wind. It was

891
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: like yeah, she was going over to Rangy to hit

892
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay. And then I saw on

893
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: shbur hitting and warming up on center court, so I

894
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: was like, well, that's smart. She's hitting up on the court.

895
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: They allowed her to hit on that court. But then

896
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: she comes out and all black. I'm like, what the

897
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: fuck are you doing. Everybody in the world knows you

898
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: can't play on Wimbledon courts unless you're wearing all white,

899
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: even in the warm up, and even as a coach

900
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: or even as a person on the court picking balls up,

901
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: you've got to be in all white. She comes out

902
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: in all black, and.

903
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: This is not the first day, this is the final.

904
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: She's from there three.

905
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: Weeks so one of the referees comes out and basically

906
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: tells her you can't warm up. You've got to go

907
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: and change. There's no like getting around it. So she goes,

908
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: runs off the court, comes back. She's in the worst mood.

909
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 3: She has all wine on, she's warm out, she's missing everything.

910
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: Her coach is missing shit, he's like, looks stressed. The

911
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: husband's picking up balls, he looks stressed. I saw them

912
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: before the match. He looked like he was going to

913
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: throw up. I'm like, guys, and this is the one thing,

914
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: and this is nothing because I love her coach, I

915
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: love her husband, I love ons, but this is where

916
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: you need someone around. Because if that had been me,

917
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: if I'd been an advisor or a coach, I would

918
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: have been like, listen here, you're all good. You don't

919
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: even need to warm up. Yeah, okay, just go in

920
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: the gym and hits it. Run on the treadmill for

921
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: twenty minute. You've played two fucking weeks of tennis. You

922
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: know how to play on grass. You've got five minutes

923
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: to warm up on the court. Does it really matter?

924
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: Does that half an hour make or break you to

925
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: go on a court? Right? It does? Mentally, if you

926
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: go out with a bad attitude. You can't win. My

927
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: old coach used to say, you can't win the match

928
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: grubs in Walmart, but you can certainly help yourself lose it.

929
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: And you know what that really? That does. That resonated

930
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: to me because she tore herself down in that final.

931
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: She was getting the shits, he was missing balls, she

932
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: was getting upset. She's had to go and change your clothes,

933
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: and it transferred onto the court and she was miserable,

934
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: miserable on the practice court, on the match court, and

935
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: that hurt her. And so when I see her play

936
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: those matches and she's subsequently at the US Open, same thing.

937
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're the Minister of happiness, isn't that your nickname?

938
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: But yet on the court you look like the Minister

939
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 3: of misery.

940
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: So you, I would say, sometimes, yeah, I would.

941
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Say to her a lot of the times lately.

942
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think I agree with you.

943
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: Think she looks miserable on the court.

944
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: Well sometimes, and this is what I think. I think

945
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: when she plays her best tennis and when she wins,

946
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: like in Charston she won. She really she came back

947
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: from the injury. Everyone was worried she came back to

948
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: early she did, but she so she had terrible innio

949
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: wells Miami, she was not fit, and then she kind

950
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: of pulled it together for in Charleston, and I was

951
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 2: there and I watched her, and she had so much

952
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: joy play. And that's the problem with not the problem.

953
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: That's great, but when that joy has been taking away

954
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: from her, then it translates into anxiety, into nervousness, into

955
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: rushing and then and that's the problem with players who

956
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: are so so so talented like On, I was very

957
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: one dimensional, so which is in a but it's in

958
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: a way it's easier, right because I knew what I

959
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: had to do to win a match. It was that

960
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 2: one thing. And if I couldn't do it, I knew

961
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: I was probably fucked. But I knew I had to

962
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: have good depth, I need to move well, and I

963
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 2: need to hit the ball. That's it. It's very easy

964
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: for somebody like On can hit the slice, who can

965
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: hit a drop shot? Okayty, And but that can block you,

966
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: right because she and then when she when she's rushing,

967
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: when she's nervous, when she's anxious, then she starts making

968
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: wrong decisions and then it hurts you that you have

969
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: so many options, because all those options come back to

970
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 2: bite you. And it's like what they say about humans,

971
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: their biggest strengths most most often also their biggest weaknesses.

972
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: And I feel with Ons, you see it like it's

973
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: so obvious because the joy for tennis and for life

974
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: that she has is also the thing that hurts her

975
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: when it's gone, and the creativity that makes it different

976
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: than all the other players is the one thing that

977
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: comes back to bite her in the ass because she

978
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: all of the sudden hits job shots from five feet

979
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: behind the baseline on it, quick shot.

980
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: But missing, just basic missing, And I see her reaction,

981
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: it's just like whatever, whatever, I'm like, what the fuck

982
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: I go? You do realize that when you're at your

983
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 3: best and you're egging the crowd on and you're like,

984
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: you know, fist pumping and you're doing your tweeners, and

985
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: that's you at your best. So I would have said

986
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: to her that wimble and I said, listen here, we're

987
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 3: not going to hit any more balls. If you're gonna

988
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: act like this, we're gonna walk off the court. I mean,

989
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: I said that same thing to Serena before her second round.

990
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: I walked up because she was hitting balls in the

991
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: bottom of the net. She was getting the shits and

992
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: hitting partner wasn't getting the ball in the right place,

993
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: and she was having just a moment. She was late

994
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: to practice because of traffic, you know, and in those

995
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: those moments, you transfer, you go on the court and

996
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: you get angry because you just stressed. And she was stressed,

997
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 3: and so I just walked up and I said, listen,

998
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 3: you can't win the match here, but you can certainly

999
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: help yourself lose it. She was like, I'm just you know,

1000
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: we had a moment. But it helped her because then

1001
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 3: you could tell that she sort of was like okay,

1002
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: and she did. She practiced much better after that, But

1003
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: that's because Serena's a champion. So Serena knew I probably

1004
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 3: am getting a little bit stressed and I am getting

1005
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: a little bit too hard on myself and everyone around me.

1006
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: And she was much better after that. In the warm

1007
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: up she played great, though was when she beat contemplated.

1008
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: But that's what I would have said to Ans. I

1009
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: would have called her the nat and said, listen, none

1010
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: of this is important, none of it. What's important is

1011
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: that you're happy going on the court. You've played enough tennis,

1012
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: like you don't even need to warm up. Just hit

1013
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: a couple of serfs, like I'll hit you some serves,

1014
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: rip a couple of returns. We're ready to go. So

1015
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 3: that that is something that I think that she needed

1016
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: and we'll see how she does need it.

1017
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: But that's what I wanted to ask you, because we

1018
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: were talking about breaking through, breaking through for Jesspagoula to

1019
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: the semi fi off the grants of the majors. Will

1020
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: on Sabe breakthrough and win Islam. What do you think

1021
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: a major.

1022
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: If she becomes the Minister of Happiness again, Yeah, she can,

1023
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: but she needs that and if she doesn't, her attitude

1024
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: is not going to get it there.

1025
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: Speaking of Wimbledon, one title, the only title of the

1026
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: season twenty twenty three, Marquetta, I've wonder shouva. But it

1027
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: was a beautiful one, wasn't it? Because it was the

1028
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: Wimbledon title.

1029
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: Listen, It's like if I could win one title in

1030
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: my life and I played twenty years on tour and

1031
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: they go, you only won one title, and I said, yep,

1032
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: you know which one? Wimbledon.

1033
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say, incredible performance. It was

1034
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: not lucky. She beat incredible players. She played so well

1035
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: and I have to say, yes, as didn't play her best,

1036
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: but Marketta made it so hard on her. She just

1037
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: didn't allow her. Because you know, you can show up

1038
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: to a match and play a bad set and start.

1039
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: You know, your footwork is not working, but you can

1040
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: always find yourself way your way back. But when Marquetta

1041
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: just didn't allow it, it was like every time you

1042
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: opened the door to come in, she just came there

1043
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: and shut the door. She just shut the door, She

1044
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: just shut the door.

1045
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Right.

1046
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: It was a great performance. I mean, we have to

1047
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: give it to her.

1048
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, when you look at when you look

1049
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 3: at the players that she beat, you know as well.

1050
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: I mean she beat Hallap in the Semis and you know,

1051
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: arguably you could say, no, that was last year. I'm

1052
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 3: idding that was that was on, But listen, I think

1053
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: that was sorry beat Sitelena and she you know, look,

1054
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: I think the bottom line is Vondrosova knows that she

1055
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: probably got away with something with beating Jess Pagola, and

1056
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: I think she took advantage of that.

1057
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: And when we were talking about Seblenka, when she turned

1058
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: that match against Madison keys around.

1059
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: I was like though, because Saberlenka had the pressure on

1060
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: her and she didn't have the crowd. As Vondros went

1061
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: in going I'm playing against ons, It'll be fun whatever,

1062
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: She's not going to overpower me. It was creativity against creativity,

1063
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: drop shots against drop shots, great movers against great movers.

1064
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: What shot are they going to hit? So it's kind

1065
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: of a lot of fun to watch that match.

1066
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: The biggest difference, though, Renee is the emotional control that

1067
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: Marquetta is able to exude both matches semifinals and the final.

1068
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: She was just cool, calm and collected. She beat Sitolina,

1069
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: who had to really exert herself emotionally to get to

1070
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: that semi finals. Played some incredible matches Sitolina did at

1071
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: those wimble at that Wimbledon and beat you on tech there, right,

1072
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: I think, And so Vondroshova really won Wimbledon, not only

1073
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: with her skial of tennis. Obviously you have to have

1074
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: a scale of tennis to win Wimbledon, to win on grass,

1075
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: but with that emotional stability, just cool, calm and collected,

1076
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: fucking respect man. I really was impressed by her.

1077
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's get to Mukhova, who was right behind her,

1078
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: and just just I want to tag them in together

1079
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: because a year earlier they were in some challenger in

1080
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere. They're crazy Italy somewhere, and they're like,

1081
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: what the fuck are we doing here? You know, They're like,

1082
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: look at us, You're playing some fifty thousand in the

1083
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. And then both of them are in

1084
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: the top ten now after an amazing year.

1085
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: So yes, respectively seven and eight Vendorshova seven, Mokhova eight

1086
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: and Mukhova. Now, this is interesting. Renee, would you take

1087
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: a season like her? Zero titles, but final, rolling, Garros, final, Cincinnati,

1088
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: semi finals, US Open.

1089
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: I take her, you right, I take you too. It

1090
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: is unbelievable. I wouldn't take hers over and sober just

1091
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: because she won Wombolin, but I certainly listen. Unfortunately injured again,

1092
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: risked at the end of the year, which is a

1093
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 3: nightmare injury for a tennis player. Just the constant injuries

1094
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: are just killing her career. She is, in my opinion,

1095
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: someone this without question. I told her this five years ago,

1096
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 3: and you can ask her. I said, you should be

1097
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: in the top ten. What the fuck you're so good,

1098
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 3: there's not a weakness in your game. You'd come forward.

1099
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: You've got a great fourhand back and moves well.

1100
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: Great athletes, a.

1101
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: Great athlete, great kid, works hard. These injuries are killing

1102
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: her and again again another fuck injury.

1103
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: Well, I will give you my theory. You know how

1104
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 2: I love theories. I have observed the thing with players,

1105
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: with athletes, with colleagues that I've been next to for

1106
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: the past twenty years, when somebody has an injury very

1107
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: early on in their career, it seems.

1108
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 3: To just keep bothering them.

1109
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: Not in the same place, but just I think as

1110
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: when you're still growing. And she had an big injury

1111
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: and she was eighteen, nineteen years old, and you're still growing,

1112
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: You're still growing into your body, you're still changing. I am.

1113
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: I the same with Rafa. Rafa had an injury very

1114
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: early on, and he always had injuries. If you look

1115
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: at somebody like Djokovic, like Raja and Jakaba, for example,

1116
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 2: she was never injured and Jakaba, well, and I think

1117
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: that I had you were there. I had tore my

1118
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: ACL when I was eighteen years old at the Australian Open,

1119
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: and I always had problems because of it because your

1120
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: body compensates. Right, you're out for nine months very early on,

1121
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: your body is still growing and your body compensates. So

1122
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: I do think that if you're unlucky in the beginning

1123
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: of your career or why you're still growing with a

1124
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: big injury, it tends to come bite you back in

1125
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: the ass. But what a beauty in the game, just

1126
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: like technical perfection. I call her TBT textbook tennis Mukhova.

1127
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: So Mokhova. Let's uh, let's move on to a very

1128
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: bizarre one. Maria Zakari, number nine, Maria Sakari. She has

1129
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: one title, she won Guadalajara A one thousand. She has, however,

1130
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: also three first round losses at Grand Slams.

1131
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 3: I made the sorry, so I have a theory with that.

1132
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.

1133
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: So I interviewed her prior to the US Open. Ok

1134
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: we have these great you know, practice week for the

1135
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: US Open, and we get to talk to the players

1136
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: on the practice court, which is great because they have

1137
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: the mic on they talk to us. They're a lot

1138
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: more open, you know how it is week before the slams.

1139
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: You're a little bit more relaxed. Once the Slam starts

1140
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: you like, I don't anybody. So I interviewed her and

1141
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: I said something about, you know, you're coming back to

1142
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: a place you made the semis last year. You know

1143
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: you've got good feelings here. I'm trying to be all positive.

1144
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: You know, what is it about the new balls? And

1145
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: I'm sort of throwing all these questions at her where

1146
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: it's positive. First thing she said to me, she goes, yeah,

1147
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: but you know I've lost the last foo, I've lost

1148
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: two first rounds of Grand Slam. So and I was like,

1149
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: my first thought there was, what do you fucking cares?

1150
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: You don't talk about that. I mean, when you're a

1151
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: great player, sometimes you just make an excuse like I

1152
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: didn't feel well, I didn't play a great match that day.

1153
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: But hey, even if you're an average player like me,

1154
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: I had a lot of excuses.

1155
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we all have excuses. But I would

1156
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: have been like, yeah, I'm coming back to you. It's open.

1157
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: I love these courts, I love the atmosphere. This is

1158
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: the place I'm playing. Well, I've just made the finals

1159
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: of Washington. She must playing like Pagola in the sad.

1160
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: You know all the things. I've finally found my form again.

1161
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: Now she's thinking about.

1162
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: The first round exits out of her head.

1163
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 3: As soon as she said that, I went, oh my god,

1164
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: she's gonna lose again because you're already planting that seed.

1165
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: So there's a little thing, for example, that I don't

1166
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 3: know if it's me, but I'm very in touch with

1167
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: the emotional side of a player where I would be like, Okay,

1168
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: we need to talk. If I was coaching, we need

1169
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 3: to talk about this. You're thinking about your first round losses.

1170
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: That means you're going into the first round here at

1171
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: the US Open worrying that you're going to lose again.

1172
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: I guess what. She lost the first round of the

1173
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: US Open. I'm not surprised. So the mentality for her

1174
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: is I would have slapped her and said, fucking don't

1175
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: worry about that. You made the Semisier last year. Do

1176
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: you want to stand? You just made the finals of washing.

1177
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: You're playing your best tennis of the year. We're gonna

1178
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: win this tournament, right, not worrying about losing the first round.

1179
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: And she looks scared on the court.

1180
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: That's I see that too. Is that the so you

1181
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: would say, is it the mentality?

1182
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: Is it?

1183
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: The tennis does she needs to involve the game?

1184
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: What do I know?

1185
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: She's a player that frustrates you sometimes, like in the

1186
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: best possible way, because I think you really like her

1187
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: and you want to do her, you want her to

1188
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: do well. So but I can feel your frustration sometimes

1189
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: with her. So is it Does the frustration come from

1190
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: the her mentality like that one that you just mentioned,

1191
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: or is it her game?

1192
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: What is it? It's her combination. It's a lot of

1193
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: the mentality. But for me also, I think she needs

1194
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: to work on her slice right because it is such

1195
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 3: a weapon.

1196
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: And you know this, like you would you say you

1197
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: have never played slices?

1198
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: Would you say you had textbook slice?

1199
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: No?

1200
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: Would you say when you used it it was for reasons.

1201
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Well I used it. Mine was not pretty,

1202
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: but I used it because I didn't have a similar

1203
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: game to Zachary. But I like to play forehand from

1204
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: the middle. I did not like to play fourhand so

1205
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 2: much when you hit into my forehand. So slice was

1206
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: a great way to get that forehand from the middle

1207
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: or the backhand side, because it's really hard if you

1208
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: play crosscord for a variety to hit it with their

1209
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: backhands down the line, so it's like a good tactical

1210
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: aspect of the game to get away from that forehand

1211
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: in the forehand side right, which I think Maria also

1212
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: doesn't like so much. So I see what you're saying,

1213
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying.

1214
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: I want to see her get a slice backhand and

1215
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: play a little bit more like Ash Barty. Right, She's

1216
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: never going to be Ash Barty. But because Maria's about

1217
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: two handed backhand is so good, so good, and it's

1218
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: much better than Ashes. But Ash's forehand was ridiculous. But

1219
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: Ash would slice the back end to get fourhands, and

1220
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: she would toy around with people because it's so hard

1221
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: to attack off a slice. I mean, Azabur. All the

1222
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 3: people that have really good slice backhands are doing great, right,

1223
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: And so because most of the women like the ball

1224
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: like me to, I would say wasiste level to be

1225
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 3: able to smash it, which is why they all hit

1226
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: the ball so flat. But these girls that can hit

1227
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: with spin and variety do very well. So for me,

1228
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: I would like to see her get better with a slice.

1229
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 3: She brings her left leg out way too early. There's

1230
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: little technical things that she could do better. And then

1231
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: I think that she can then play so much more

1232
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: freer and be more relaxed because she's playing with creativity

1233
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: rather than with the intensity.

1234
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: Well, this is becoming such a nerded podcast.

1235
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: Now you know what we're going to do. We're going

1236
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 3: to internally talk women today and we may oh.

1237
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: Make a second part. Man, I think that's a good

1238
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: that's a good cop. Yes, let's let's do that way

1239
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: because I don't want to rush through the men, because

1240
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of great narratives on

1241
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: the ATP side too. Is Actually it was a really

1242
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: exciting season overall, and let's do I think that's a

1243
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: really good show. Yeah, we do a second part with

1244
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: the ATP top ten and also with just like what

1245
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: narrative stood out to you. But I don't want to

1246
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: miss on the number ten player who ended up in

1247
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: the top ten in the world, Barbora cree Chikova. She

1248
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: had two titles and Renee. We just talked about the

1249
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: craziest in the OL's draw for We're Backina this year.

1250
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: But Barbora won Dubai and that was a crazy She

1251
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: beat number three, number two, number one player in the world.

1252
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1253
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: It was crazy?

1254
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: What do you you don't I should have given you

1255
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: a sign. I'm just gonna talk. She had a very

1256
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: strange season. So the Grand Slams this year, the Major

1257
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: she did not do well, but she did sneakily well

1258
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: in the end of the year. Specifically, did you did

1259
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: you pull it up?

1260
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did pull it up. In Dubai she beat

1261
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 3: Begu first round. Not about when Bego Casakina, Kviteva, Sabalenca,

1262
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: Pergola to win the tournament. So she beat the number one,

1263
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: the number three and the number two players. Well I

1264
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: should have said number one, number two, number three, we

1265
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: know you. She beat one in the final, three in

1266
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: the semis, and two in the quarters. But listen and

1267
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: Kavitava who had won a tournament not long after that

1268
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: in Miami. So look, incredible tournament victory there. She's so

1269
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: up and down when she's on, as you know, she's

1270
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: so good.

1271
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, well, I think I played her a few times.

1272
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: I never beat her. I think she's one of the

1273
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: In my opinion, she should be up there with Rebeccina Sabalenka,

1274
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: who are just a bit better than everyone else. However,

1275
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: what I will say she relies so much on clean

1276
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: timing because she really almost hits half volleys because she

1277
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: takes the bars so early. If she tenses up a

1278
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: little bit, it tends to go way off. Right because

1279
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: she hits it's so clean and so early. If you

1280
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: miss a bit there, or if you're not one hundred

1281
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: percent fitch. We saw she struggled with injuries, so if

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Speaker 2: you're not standing there exactly precise like a Swiss or

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00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: German clockwork, then it goes like. She frames a lot

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00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: of balls. I saw it with Angie Kerber the at

1285
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: fat Kap. It used to be well in billyging Kikup already.

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00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: I think they played each other. And she had this

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: tremendous season where she won the Roland Garros and it

1288
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: was the first time she had played for her country,

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00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: and she was tight like we all are. She was anxious,

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00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: and I've never seen her frame so many balls, and

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00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: that was the first time I was like, oh, I

1292
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: see why she can be so off because she relies

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00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: on hitting and taking the ball so early that when

1294
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: she's just a bit tense, it just goes way off,

1295
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: you know, because she doesn't let the balls ever drop.

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00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: She always wants to take them on their guys, and

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: it's so Harry. Yeah, but that's why she hits so

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00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: clean when she's on. She's a player that I would

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: really like to see in the mix for the Slams

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: again because I feel like she can trouble anyone. I

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: just need her. I need her. I think she needs

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: herself to just be that, you know, calm, collect itself

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: again and just relax the arm because then she's so dangerous.

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know what, if everyone has I love

1305
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: to watch her play if anyone, if everyone has it easy,

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: that'll be number one.

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: You know, that's exactly true.

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Speaker 3: Renee.

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Speaker 2: We are getting to the end of this podcast as

1310
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: people are sighing in relief because it has been hours,

1311
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: there has been days, that has been years. But is

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Speaker 2: there anybody else you want to talk about, or maybe

1313
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: a tournament or a competition that set out to you

1314
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: in the season that is not in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Do you have anybody?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I did say that, I really think

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: what I really got to give a lot of kudos

1318
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: to Leila Fernandez. I think she finished the year really well.

1319
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: She's had talk about a tough couple of years. Yes,

1320
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: you know, when we think about Emma Retacano being out,

1321
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: what they both did you was open. So I love

1322
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: the fact that she was the catalyst for you know,

1323
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: Canada winning Billaging, King Cup, well done singles and doubles, unbelievable.

1324
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: She wanted to like, she's just she came under own

1325
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: the last couple of months. So I give a lot

1326
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: of credit. And so I want to just give a

1327
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 3: shout out to Laila Fernandez. Look out for her next year.

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: I think she's back, got the confidence, back, serves under control,

1329
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 3: kin win Chang. We're gonna see what she can do

1330
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: next year. The stuff that happened with Whenfa said, I

1331
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: think is bullshit. You know how I feel about that.

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 3: So I think she's got a lot to prove next year,

1333
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: and I think she's going to be really good.

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think that she will build because

1335
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: I the way she phrased her complaints about him was

1336
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: in my mind, maybe it's just mew projecting, but in

1337
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: my mind, there was like a slight fuck you, you

1338
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: know in between those lines. And I think, yeah, sorry

1339
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: for these words, but I think that we'll give her

1340
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: a lot of resilience for next Sure, I think she

1341
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: will find a lot of drive in this inner.

1342
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Speaker 3: She's got an inner drive and an inner fuck you

1343
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: about her. She's gonna like and she's great for the sport,

1344
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: and I think it's fantastic. And I want to give

1345
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: a little shout out to Sophia Kennon as well, got

1346
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 3: her ranking back up. She's just somebody that I really

1347
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: believe in. You know, she had that win against Coco

1348
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: first round of Wimbledon after qualifying. Imagine being a Grand

1349
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 3: Slam champion and going out and qualifying. But yeah, so

1350
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: those three players, two players coming back from sort of

1351
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 3: like injuries and lack of confidence, both great players in

1352
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 3: Kenon and Leila Fernandas and kin Win Chang. Who's that

1353
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: next sort of rising star. I look forward to those

1354
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: three nice.

1355
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: I love that you pick the young ones and I

1356
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: will show my age and my recent retiree. I will

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: pick two older ones, not old ones obviously, but I

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: want to pick two mamas and maybe take a look

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01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: ahead at two mamas that are coming back to the

1360
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: Australian Opinomi Osaka and Akva. I'm very excited to see

1361
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: them back. I think this is going to be crazy

1362
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: interesting to see how what kind of form they return

1363
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: into it they played in the first round, that would

1364
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: be crazy, Craig Tyler, can you do something about that now?

1365
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: And just kidd so, I wanted to shout out Elenasviittelina

1366
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: and Caroline was was Nyaki, both with tremendous comebacks after

1367
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: having multiple babies really and just getting their bodies back

1368
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: in shape or never letting them out of shape. I

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01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 2: think both are just such hard workers and so hard

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: on themselves. And the way they the way they were

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01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: able to bounce back, I think it will raise a

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 2: bit of pressure on Angie and Naomi just because they

1373
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: bounced back so quickly. I feel like they both came

1374
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: out thinking, oh, we have time to return, and now

1375
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: they don't have that much time clus Caro and we

1376
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: know and Elena did it so quickly, and I think

1377
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: we all know how competitive tennis players are. And so yeah,

1378
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: did you have a favorite tournament a competition on the

1379
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: WTA before we take this to a turn end.

1380
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: The w Finals in Kenkun was great.

1381
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let's get that.

1382
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: We've already done a whole podcast that No, I mean, listen,

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01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: there were some things this year of the WTA that

1384
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 3: were just lacking, you know how I feel that try

1385
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 3: presentation in Madrid still to me this day, it just

1386
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: pisses me off that we still didn't get a statement

1387
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: from them on that. By the way, I just I

1388
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 3: thought the austrain Open final was incredible. Hopefully we get it.

1389
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: There was Australian Open like that.

1390
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: Again, pretty good Grand Slam finals, I have to say,

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: except for that Wimbledon it was like all three said,

1392
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: the Sablenka Rebeccna amazing, the Sriantek Muhova are really good,

1393
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: and also the Sebelenka Cocoa GoF it was yeah. I

1394
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: mean Seballenka went off the rails a bit there in

1395
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: the end, but it was a great final. It was

1396
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: so exciting and so much tension in that final. So

1397
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: so actually really good finals on the grand slam side.

1398
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: Taking out that Wimbledon finalal maybe yeah, we had.

1399
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 3: A great year on the WTA two as far as

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Speaker 3: you know, just new new faces again, people winning Grand slams.

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01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: Were just can't wait for next year on the well

1402
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 3: and you.

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: Will do with Caitlin, you will have a life recording. Actually,

1404
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: so if you're in NYC in New York City and

1405
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: you want to see Rene steps and Kaitlyn Thompson live

1406
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: in their full beauty. I'm good at cross Romo. Stay

1407
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: out at my.

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Speaker 3: Book sadly the fashion nista here. Oh, have you finished

1409
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: your second book? By the way, I have.

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: It's coming on next yeah, but it's a you can't

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01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: pre order it, so I was just just yoking. But

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01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: on the seventeenth, is it December?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna yes, I think that's the day.

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Speaker 2: But well we will announce it well and they will

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: talk about what twenty twenty four will bring. So that's

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01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: why we didn't do that so much today.

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: Today we wrapped up the women for twenty twenty three,

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 3: the top ten, and our expectations and what we were

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01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 3: happiest with through the year. I just want to thank

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Speaker 3: you Annie on today, and we're going to talk about

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01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: the men in the next podcast. Yes, you my favorite German.

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I love being your favorite German.

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: That's my favorite role in life. And second part coming

1424
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: up with the ATP wrap up of the top ten,

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: how the season's went and who will be the next

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Speaker 2: I think Proda model. We need a Proda model. We

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Speaker 2: have Gucci, now we need somebody doing.

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Speaker 3: We've got good cheap yes, so now we need Brada.

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Speaker 3: These Italians with their Prada shoes next, don't you Yeah,

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: she's wearing them today. It took her seven hours to

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01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: figure out she was going to buy them.

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Speaker 2: I'm such a tube of your life.

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Speaker 3: You are anyway, Andi, Thanks for joining me today. Everyone,

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Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. Hope you enjoyed it. See your

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