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Speaker 2: But is that the full truth?

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Speaker 1: be in. We're going to talk to the woman who

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Speaker 1: wrote the book about it, The Laptop from Hell. Also,

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Speaker 1: how vindicated does she feel after writing a book about

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Speaker 1: something that we were told was Russian disinformation by fifty

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into all of that with the brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Miranda Divine. Of course you know her from Fox News.

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Speaker 1: She's a truth teller at the New York Post and

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Speaker 1: also she is the best selling author of The Laptop

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Speaker 1: from Hell.

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Speaker 2: So stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: We're all going to learn a lot from Miranda Divine. Miranda,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you on the show. I am

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Lisa, I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: So, Miranda, before we get into some of the tax stuff,

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Speaker 2: maybe he just chose them. Really well, and certainly seven

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Speaker 2: and I just feel like there was that Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: Well, the most obvious attempt we saw, like a few

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Speaker 1: And we've now had a few of these huge moments

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Speaker 1: We've got more of Miranda Devine. But first, since the

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Speaker 1: to take a stand. Today you had mentioned this CIA

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Speaker 2: Look it's both because obviously the media doesn't want the

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Speaker 2: I mean, they did no due diligence on the Steel dossier.

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Speaker 2: And you know, almost four years later, we said that

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Speaker 1: You don't even think about it often. When Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 2: Ell exactly, Wasn't that interesting? That was such a telling remark.

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Speaker 1: What level of coordination do you think there has been

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Speaker 2: I haven't done much my own research on that, but

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's involvement in his son's business dealings.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It really depends after the election, if

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump wins, if there is a stomach to actually

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Speaker 2: do proper investigations, and the fact that he's so old,

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Speaker 2: and you saw Robert her in the classified documents case,

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Speaker 2: the special counsel there say that, well, you know, there

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Speaker 2: was plenty of evidence to charge him with but because

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Speaker 2: he's a basically senile and you know, a well meaning

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Speaker 2: old man, which I totally disagree with, that he's well made.

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Speaker 1: That made me really mad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that you know, a jury wouldn't find him guilty,

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Speaker 2: So he's he's cognitively unfit to stand trial. I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I think he's perfectly cognitively fit to stand trial because

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Speaker 2: you see him when he needs to, he's as sharp

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Speaker 2: as attack. He'll be sharp as attack in the first

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Speaker 2: debate against Donald Trump, as he was in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: And I think Mike Ben's has a very good way

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Speaker 2: of looking at it. He says that Joe Biden's brain

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Speaker 2: is kind of like a computer when you put it

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Speaker 2: into sleep mode when you don't want to waste energy.

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Speaker 2: That's him. When you see him sort of fuddling around

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Speaker 2: and getting lost in the or you know, turning his

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Speaker 2: back on the rest of the people and just being

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Speaker 2: looking like a real eskp from an old people's home.

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Speaker 2: But then when he needs to, he switches on again,

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Speaker 2: and that's when you turn the computer into wake up mode.

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Speaker 2: So whether it's drugs or whether he just has an

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Speaker 2: ability himself to switch on and off, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but I think underestimating Joe Biden's culpability is a big mistake,

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Speaker 2: and I think that the Republicans should be wary not

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Speaker 2: to fall into that trap. It's almost like there was

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Speaker 2: a mobster in New York and can't remember his name,

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Speaker 2: but he used to wander around in a bath robe,

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Speaker 2: looking like, you know, muttering to himself around the Lower

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Speaker 2: East Side, looking like he was a you know, completely senile,

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Speaker 2: and that was to put the FBI off because they

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Speaker 2: had him in his sights and make them think that

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Speaker 2: he wasn't fit to stand trial. And it worked. Somewhat

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Speaker 2: for him, and it worked for Joe Biden with Robert

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Speaker 2: hur And you could sort of tell from the transcript,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure it'd be really obvious from the audio

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Speaker 2: if we were able to get it that whenever the

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Speaker 2: questions became difficult, he'd start, you know, meandering and sort

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Speaker 2: of changing the subject, and it's it's a ruse.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's also I mean, you can't be well

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Speaker 1: meaning and intentionally mishandle classific information dating back to your

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Speaker 1: time in the Senate. You know, it's like, that's that's

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Speaker 1: not well mean. You know, how is that well meaning?

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Speaker 1: That's that's what really bothered me about the report. You know,

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Speaker 1: before we go, Uh, you've covered all of this, right,

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Speaker 1: You've been at the center of it. You've you know,

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Speaker 1: done such a fantastic job and covering so much stuff

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Speaker 1: about the Biden family and Hunter Biden. What what have

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Speaker 1: you learned about our government through all of this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've learned not to trust it. You know. I

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Speaker 2: used to be being kind of a conservative and law

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Speaker 2: and order person, and I was a police reporter many

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Speaker 2: years ago, which probably set a lot of my ideas up.

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Speaker 2: I trusted, you know, I always trusted the intelligence officials.

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Speaker 2: I trusted you know, police and federal prosecutors, and just

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Speaker 2: thought that they were doing the right thing to keep

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Speaker 2: us safe. And they have done. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying I'm not writing them all off, but I think

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Speaker 2: what's happened increasingly in recent years is they have lost

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Speaker 2: sight of their primary mission and now they're you know,

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Speaker 2: they've been rampaging around the world, staging regime change and

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Speaker 2: causing a lot of mayhem that was unnecessarily and damaging

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Speaker 2: to America. And then I think in the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 2: they turned that regime change operation inward onto Americans. And

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Speaker 2: I think there are too many people in those shadowy, unaccountable,

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Speaker 2: unelected organizations who genuinely think that they have the right

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Speaker 2: to decide they're smarter than the American people, and the

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Speaker 2: American people can't be trusted to decide who they want

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Speaker 2: to elect. And so they felt that Donald Trump was

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Speaker 2: an existential threat and they were not going to let

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Speaker 2: the American people choose him as their president. And that

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Speaker 2: is the most frightening, frightening thing. And I think with

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Speaker 2: the growth of big tech and AI, that power is

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Speaker 2: going to become even more unchecked and unbalanced and is

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Speaker 2: going to and that's why they talk about and Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden talks about democracy all the time, because this is

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Speaker 2: profoundly illiberal and anti democratic, and yet it's coming from

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Speaker 2: the Democrat side. And I just hope that the American

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Speaker 2: people are awake enough. It took a lot to wake

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Speaker 2: me up just seeing a lot of evidence of this

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Speaker 2: when I was doing a deep dive into the laptop

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Speaker 2: and the latest book I've written. It's scary, it's upsetting

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Speaker 2: if you're a person who does believe in law and

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Speaker 2: order and the law enforcement and the intelligence community. It

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Speaker 2: makes you realize that the people who are entrusted to

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Speaker 2: keep us safe are actually our worst enemies.

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Speaker 1: I endorse what you just said and very eloquently stated,

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Speaker 1: and I would love to have you come back on

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Speaker 1: once your new book is out. It sounds very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Lisa.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to Miranda Devine. You're awesome. I always appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming on. I always appreciate hearing what you have

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Speaker 1: to say. You're brilliant, So thankfully do you appreciate it?

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Speaker 2: And I love seeing you on Fox all the time,

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Speaker 2: and I love listening to your podcast as well, so

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Speaker 2: good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: That was Miranda Devine. Appreciate her for taking the time

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Speaker 1: to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home

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Speaker 1: for listening every Monday and Thursday. You can listen throughout

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Speaker 1: the week. I want to thank John Cassio for putting

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Speaker 1: the show together. Until next time,