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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke today. We got a

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Speaker 1: good one. Man, So when I grew up admiring a

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Speaker 1: playoff sack leader. Welcome to the show with you, Matt

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Speaker 1: chilling Man, he said, don't feed him alcoholics. You want

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Speaker 1: to see the wolf of long around out here, Willie.

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Speaker 1: What's been going on? Man, You've been out of TV

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. You did that for about

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Speaker 1: fifteen years after you were tell you had a good running

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Speaker 1: TV and although it's not done. Yeah, yeah, you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the family, got kids in college, kids in high school.

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Speaker 1: What's the last two years been like for you?

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Speaker 2: It's been good, man. I've been able to travel a

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Speaker 2: little bit. I've been able to work on some other stuff,

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Speaker 2: you know, outside of business. Been able to see my

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Speaker 2: daughters play volleyball. Man. I got three beautiful daughters that's

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Speaker 2: playing volleyball, two in college, one in high school. As

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Speaker 2: you know, I've just been sitting back, like I said,

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Speaker 2: I've been on vacation. Yeah, I've been watching everything. You know.

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Speaker 2: I've been kind of assessing with the game as went

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Speaker 2: with TV and you know, all those different things. And

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Speaker 2: just kind of learning, digesting and understanding the algorithm now

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Speaker 2: like it's changed different, it's totally different now. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been sitting back and joining a lot and it's

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Speaker 1: As someone who you know has done a lot post

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Speaker 1: take a few years off, kind of step back reset.

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Speaker 1: What are you looking to do? Because I was actually

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Speaker 1: talking to Keishan Johnson about this yesterday, same cherry you

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Speaker 1: were sitting in. He took a year off, You've taken

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Speaker 1: two years off. What kind of situation are you looking

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Speaker 1: forward to moving forward? Because I definitely know we're going

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Speaker 1: to see you back on TV soon.

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Speaker 2: I did the traditional you know soon tie button up program,

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Speaker 2: think for guys like us, we go beyond just sports.

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Speaker 2: You know the culture we grew up in. You know,

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Speaker 2: our kids and what they do and family entertainment, different

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Speaker 2: I think I'm just looking for one of those platforms

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Speaker 1: I mean that shit sounds like a platform. I know

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Speaker 1: really well, sound like some all the smoke type people

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Speaker 2: Killing they mad. But before you keep y'all been killing it, man,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all doing that. Y'all doing a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 2: You guys have fun. You guys are able to express yourselves.

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Speaker 2: You guys touch topics that a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: that happens in the locker room. So whenever I watch

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Speaker 2: you guys have on and some of the some of

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Speaker 2: the people, you guys mix it up with But you

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Thank you very much. The Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: Well, switch, so I did both. We'll say the week

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Speaker 1: Two weeks off. So what is that give me away?

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Speaker 1: This two Bowl? These guys get two weeks off. What's

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl rematch. You know, they played, I.

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Speaker 1: Think but that Brady second year, but first second year,

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Speaker 2: the greatest show on turf. The biggest thing about that game,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got what was it like kind of seeing

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Speaker 2: Rings seven he's the ring king. He got he got

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Speaker 2: if I told you that everybody knew Brady was going

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Speaker 2: to be Brady. Drew Blood was nice. He just got

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Speaker 2: I think it was like maybe like eight, like six

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Speaker 2: we win. It wasn't even close. We go out there,

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Speaker 2: Just signed a hundred million dollar contract. He's all happy,

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Speaker 2: get another opportunity to start redemption. Belichick made that cold

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Speaker 1: Was that the week or two week break between that.

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Speaker 2: That was the two weeks he made that cold speech

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Speaker 2: The one thing you don't want before a big game is,

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Speaker 2: pull everything. So that was the big question. Who was

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Speaker 1: And that's Brady. This brady second season, right.

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Speaker 2: It's still Brady's second season. Yeah, and he's still a

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Speaker 2: young pup. And Bill made that tough, that tough speech.

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Speaker 1: Again, Well, obviously we understand you guys were the ultimate

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Speaker 1: how did Drew take it?

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Speaker 2: Drew was probably I would say Drew was hurt. Gotta

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Speaker 2: be Yeah, he was hurt because this is another opportunity,

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Speaker 2: like you said, redemption for him to go out there

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Speaker 1: Wasn't getting a people say hundred million in two thousand is.

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Speaker 2: A lot, especially in football, and football that was a lot.

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Speaker 2: So he just got a hundred million and he was

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Speaker 2: I ball out in the biggest game before the biggest game.

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Speaker 1: And he hadn't played it what nine weeks.

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Speaker 2: he did a great job at that. But he was

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Speaker 2: As a defensive player, you know, we was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: to eliminate the distraction. Was brilliant by Bill to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: It was cold man. He made the right choice.

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Speaker 2: Though, Hey, some people say this man is kind of brilliant.

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Speaker 2: He made the right choice with nobody else in there,

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Speaker 2: and look at it, and look at Brady now, seven

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Speaker 1: I wonder because I mean, I don't know Belichick at all,

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that something that he knew that

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Speaker 2: He game planned against and Drew. Then when they moved

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Speaker 2: Ninety six, Parcels goes, you know, when we lost, he

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Speaker 2: with him. So now Bill is game planning against Drew again.

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Speaker 2: For years now in two thousand he comes back. So

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Speaker 2: this man has game planned against Drew, knows Drew, understands Drew,

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Speaker 2: So there was a little insight that went into that

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Speaker 1: Tell you this or you just kind of I picked it.

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Speaker 2: Up from nobody told me that, but I started putting

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Speaker 2: There you go with Brady. He saw all upside, so

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Speaker 2: the smartest, the smartest moves, I would say in football history.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the new head coach of the Patriots. Yes,

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Speaker 1: You guys got three championships together. You're telling some stories

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Speaker 2: What I love about Ravees is a lot of coaches

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Speaker 2: the great thing about Rabels he's super smart. He's always

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Speaker 2: all the coaches that he's been under, and he's taken

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the smartest thing a guy can do,

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Speaker 2: because you don't want to be like anybody else. But

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Speaker 2: to go into Hall of fame, Like there's no question.

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Speaker 2: You know, Belichick's going in the Hall of Fame, and

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Speaker 2: And I think he's done an amazing job at doing that.

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Speaker 1: Now, your teammates played opposite of you, great linebacker. But

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Speaker 2: It was a shit starter. Let me say this about Rabel.

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Speaker 2: Rabel was versatile, big, fast, athletic, versatile, even played tight end,

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Speaker 2: Rabel was smart. He would say certain things, he would

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Speaker 2: If Rabel was the master and he just sit over

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Speaker 1: That's funny. Have you seen any of your guys's old

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's changed some things, which is good

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Speaker 2: I think his staff does a good job of game

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Speaker 2: They don't ask you to do more than you can do.

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Speaker 2: So he's done it the great He's done a great

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Speaker 2: It wasn't because we were probably the most talented or

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Speaker 2: And he's doing that. And in one year that team

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Speaker 1: A lot of professional organizations can instill that because I

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Speaker 2: played on the fil yeah, and he played you know,

432
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: he played D line, So he was a more underside.

433
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: But when you talk about somebody's toughest nails and somebody

434
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 2: that was smart, the one common thing that Bill required

435
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: for our defense. You had to be smart and versative,

436
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: you had to be able to play multiple positions, and

437
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: Bruski was undersized, but he was tough, and I've never

438
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: seen somebody get so fucking low to the ground like

439
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: when he would take on so a traditional three four.

440
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, the guards are uncovered, and our linebackers

441
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: stacked over those guards. So when they run those isoles

442
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: and those big time plays, those guards come right off

443
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: on the middle linebacker and Bruski man used to miss

444
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: to meet those guards. But drop lower's shoulder, rip, get

445
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: under him, get around him, and make the play. Man.

446
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: He's a He's a great athlete, smart and like I said,

447
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: toughest nails. Tie Man. Ty was one of those dudes.

448
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: The funny thing about Tye is Ty would Ty probably

449
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: take a nap in the meeting. Ty, you take a

450
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: nap in the meeting, and he'll wake up and say, coach,

451
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 2: just put me on the best fucking receiver. And that's

452
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: it was shut down. Ty was Ty was Revers Island

453
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: before you know Reevers. Ty was that guy that if

454
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: you had a number one receiver and you didn't want

455
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: him to have no smoke, no catches, if they knew

456
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: not to throw to him, that's the guy. You put time,

457
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: so you put TYE. You say, Ty, you take care

458
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: of that side of the field.

459
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: Give me an example. Some receivers he would lock down

460
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: that were all pros.

461
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: Oh Man. He played against the best play well, he

462
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: didn't play that much against that t O in that one,

463
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: but he played against Marvin Harrison. He did play against

464
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 2: t O and the other ones. He played against Chad Johnson.

465
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean, we can go through the whole. We can

466
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: go through the whole AFC North, anybody you could think of.

467
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: Whatever team we played. He played against Michael Jackson and

468
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: those guys in Cleveland, whatever big time receiver that played

469
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: in that era, Ty was Ty had and he allowed

470
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: us to be versus on our defense because if we

471
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: need to play man we could if if we played

472
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: zone that we have scheme up front when we would

473
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: get to the quarterback and he would he would jump ship.

474
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: In the AFC Championship against Peyton Manning and the coach,

475
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: he had three interceptions Super Bowl against the Rams you mentioned.

476
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: He played against all those Hall of Fame receivers. He

477
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: had a pick played against Pittsburgh picked six, Like I

478
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: can go all the way down the line. It's every receiver.

479
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 2: We didn't have no problems ty taking Tye taking your

480
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: number one.

481
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: He seemed like he'd be cool off the field too.

482
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: He is cool. Tie's a dog. He's a great dude.

483
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: He's a dog. He's funny. He talks ship, very competitive.

484
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 2: You know most guys that play on the island, they

485
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: are they're super competitive. And you know he's got a

486
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: lot of swags, so he gonna he gonnad you up

487
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: there and talk ship to you. Rodney Harrison, Rodney Harrison

488
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: is an animal. When when we got Rodney from the

489
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: San Diego Chargers at the time, he was a game changer.

490
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: And we had Lawyer Malloy before that, and Lawyer was

491
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: a beast as well. But when we got right, Rodney

492
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: changed our defense. I would say because Rodney was a

493
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: damn linebacker playing safety, and I had so many marks

494
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: on my damn back from Rodney coming up. I'll be

495
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: on the I'll be on I'll be on the ball

496
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: making the tackle. Here comes Rodney cannon ball. He is

497
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: like a missile, but he was smart. He knew where

498
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: everybody was, where everybody needed to be. He was intimidating.

499
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to catch the ball. Across the middle where

500
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison was back there nobody and Rodney would come

501
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: up and play in the box as well. So when

502
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: you talk about that versatility, you had a guy that

503
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: can cover, You had a guy eighth man in the box.

504
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: It don't matter who the running back is, whether it

505
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: was better't the big backs the smaller backs fok, it

506
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: didn't really matter. You could bring Rodney in the box.

507
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: He would hit. He loved he loved the physicality about

508
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: the game. But he was also a leader and super smart.

509
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: Get guys lined up. You know, if we had breakdowns,

510
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: he would cover up a lot. And he was always

511
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: around around the ball like he was a student of

512
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: the game. Super smart.

513
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: Your other brother in the Good Hair Club, Richard Seymour.

514
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: C MO Big C. They call him Hawk, you know what,

515
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: they called him, Hulk, incredible Hawk, Hulk. He tears shit up,

516
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: se see ship, smash ship, sea ships, fast ship. Richard.

517
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: I would say, Richard, like six seven. What do you

518
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: think said, I'm six five? Richard's like three six seven

519
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: out of Georgia three fifteen old country boy, big old country,

520
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: ripped and unblockable, unblockable, fast, athletic duncle basketball reverse wind

521
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: Mill all that stuff. Smart but just unblockable. So, you know,

522
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: when you had guys like him and Ty Warren and

523
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: the guys like very bol like we had a big

524
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: defense like that came from the Giants, that was adapted

525
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: from them. That was their prototype type guys, big linebackers,

526
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: fast guys, and big athletic you know, defensive linemen. So

527
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: we had some dogs across the front of Richard. I mean,

528
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. He went to the Hall

529
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: of Fame. He's in there for a reason.

530
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: When you look back on your Patriots days, what's one

531
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: thing that stands out?

532
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: The one thing that stands out is how we did it.

533
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: It was unconventional for us at the time because everybody

534
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: was caught up in individualism, and we had a culture

535
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: that was built and implemented by our coach that like,

536
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: team is what wins. And I think we won so

537
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: many games because we believed in that and we understood

538
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: the importance of you know, team over individualism. Everybody will

539
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: have a role and this game, I might not be

540
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 2: able to rush. I might not be able to rush

541
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Even though I love sacks. This game, they

542
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 2: throw a lot, they spread you out, so you got

543
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: to be in the cover more and whatever teams did

544
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: dictated what we did. And it was a big unselfishness

545
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: amongst group of men making a lot of money with

546
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: egos and personalities. It's hard to get as you know,

547
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: as a professional athlete bro like and youth now and

548
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: high school and college. It's hard to get a group

549
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: of men to buy in to one particular thing when

550
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: it's not about them. If it's not about them, it's

551
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: hard to get a group of people to buy.

552
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: People and you've seen it firsthand. Very talented players have

553
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: a hard time making it about the team.

554
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes they do because that attention and the headlines and

555
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. And it's not like I

556
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: know nowadays we get so driven on numbers and accolades

557
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: and things like that because you know, I guess that's

558
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: what defines an individual. But when you play a team sport,

559
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: for me, I'd rather win a number of championships than

560
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: have the number. I'd rather win all the championships. And

561
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: I get asked that question a lot. I'm in the

562
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: Patriots Hall of Fame, of course, but they was like,

563
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: you're on the ballot, but do you ever wish you

564
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: could trade away your Super Bowls or a Super Bowl

565
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: to be in the Hall of Fame. I'm like, hell no,

566
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: because I didn't play the game for that. I played

567
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: the game to win championships. And it's hard to switch

568
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: the mental.

569
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: For a lot of for a lot of sacrifice.

570
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: It is, it is, But when you know when you win,

571
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: it's gratifying. Now I wouldn't say, like, if you win,

572
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, you get your chips and then you want

573
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: to go somewhere else for more money or for this

574
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: or for that. Then I get it. I understand it.

575
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you know, we

576
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: played for that for that way, and that's why that

577
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: team was so good for so many years. For a

578
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: couple of decades, they were averaging a Super Bowl every

579
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: two years. Every two years they were in the Super Bowl.

580
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: There's no team in history that's ever done that. In football.

581
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: It's little secrets, but it's just hard to get people

582
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: to buy in. Absolutely.

583
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Drake may first Super Bowl year two, similar to Brady,

584
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: they face a tough Seahawk defense. Yeah, what do you

585
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: feel like May has to do to help his team

586
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: get over the hump?

587
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: I think Josh McDaniel's the offensive coordinator will help him.

588
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: I think Dre's smart. I think he needs to definitely

589
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: use his feet, and you know, don't force the ball

590
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: in these big games. A lot of times players feel like,

591
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: I gotta do more, I gotta do more, got to

592
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: take care of the ball. You don't have to do more.

593
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: You got you don't have to be the entire system.

594
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: You just got to play well within the system. And

595
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: for young players to understand that. He seems really, really mature,

596
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: and they put a great system around him, so he

597
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: has help. He has a great running game, you know,

598
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: with Remindre Stevenson, you know, and Trayvon and then he

599
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: has some veteran receivers, some guys that to go and

600
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: make plays for him at the receiver position. But the

601
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: play calling is important. Don't turn the ball over, don't

602
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: force the ball. You know, a punt is ever bad,

603
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: It's okay. Can't turn the ball over in these games.

604
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Because when you play against a team like Seattle, that's

605
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: that ball hawks that can get after the quarterback. They

606
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: force you into bad decisions. They forced they forged you

607
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 2: a lot of bad decisions. So what's important. A lot

608
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks, they always want the big play in

609
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: this system, and until Brady got Randy Mars and some

610
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: other guys. We'll take eight, we'll take nine, we'll take ten,

611
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: We'll take what the defense gives us, you know, and

612
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: just slowly move the ball down the field. Just understand

613
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: that I'm.

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Gonna put you on the spot. All the dogs in

615
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: this game they got Seahawks obviously are not obviously, but

616
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, favor to win. Who you got, give me

617
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: the ballpark of the score, and who you think is

618
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna take the MVP.

619
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Ship you did put me on the spot. My heart

620
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: is always going to say New England because that's my foundation,

621
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: that's my team.

622
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: If you had to put who, let me let me

623
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: change the questions. Yeah, because if you had to put

624
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: much me on it right now today, Yeah.

625
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: That's tough. Man. I hate to go against New England, man,

626
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: but if I had to put one dollar on it

627
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: right now, right now, and this is not my pick

628
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: because it's not Sunday.

629
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're just shooting the ship.

630
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: We're just shooting ship. You're trying to set me up.

631
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: I can't do it. Man. You're gonna have me, You're

632
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: gonna have me getting attacked. Yeah, everything right, let's lets

633
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: let's hold on.

634
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this, We'll talk about it. I'm hoping

635
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: for a good game, are you Are you going Are

636
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: you going to get a chance to go out there.

637
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: You can go out there as a fan or going

638
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: out there work.

639
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out there and do a little work

640
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah. Then of course I'm gonna watch, you know,

641
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm watch them. I think it would be a great game.

642
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: Long Beach High School, Long Beach Polly, same school as Snoop,

643
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn, DeShawn Jackson's name a few Uh talk to

644
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: us about your brother step Were you guys in score

645
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: at the same time or was he?

646
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a year Snoop is a year older. Yeah,

647
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: we was at the school at the same time, Scoop.

648
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Snoop actually played you football with like we actually played football.

649
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: And at the time, you know what age was this

650
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: youth eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, all the way up.

651
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: And you know he I think after a while he

652
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: found out football when this thing. Now, Snoop wasn't a

653
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: guy like to take it, take all those hits in

654
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: your physical and all that shit. So when he got

655
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: to a certain level, you know, Snoop started joking and

656
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: rhyming and doing his thing, and they Dog was also

657
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: at the school, and Warren g was there for a

658
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: brief minute. So that's how the whole two P one

659
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: three was formed in Long Beach because all those dudes

660
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: was Long Beach guys and from you know, the city

661
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: and went to Polly for a minute, and then that's

662
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: that's when Snoop, you know, starts storytelling and joking and rhyming.

663
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: And you know they used to go over you know,

664
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: to the radio spot and do their thing, to vip

665
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: around the corner and hang out back there. The producers

666
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: with Slice rested in peace and you know some of

667
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: the other guys and do music. And I just watched

668
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: it like kind of grow from from there. But he's

669
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: always been like, you know, my brother to me, just.

670
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Like, what was it like watching that growth, Because like

671
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: you said, Nate was in the mix, Warren was in

672
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: the mix. What was it like kind of seeing them

673
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: coming to their own and then the international superstars they

674
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: all turned in No, it was dope.

675
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: I think the biggest turning point to seeing it is

676
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: when it was ninety two and I was at USC

677
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: and the Riots happened what was happening in LA. But

678
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: that's the year snook I signed at death Row. And

679
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: I remember going up to death Row with Dog when

680
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: he got signed and seeing DJ Quigg second and nine

681
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: and seeing all the artists in the lobby that was

682
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: signing and Snoop they were all signing around the same

683
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: time and Dog and we went up there and Dog

684
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: was doing this contract to actually sign with death Row,

685
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, and warrenge he you know, was supporting them.

686
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: Warrange's actually want to help, you know, facilitate everything. It

687
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: was just it was just a great thing. Man. It

688
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: was a lot of talent and at that age you

689
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: didn't really think about it, but it was just a

690
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: lot of talent coming out of coming out of Polly,

691
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, Cameron Diaz and we had you know, Billy

692
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: Jean King back in the day. There's so many people

693
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: and it's just seeing Givon now, you know, you just

694
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: go on and on and on. But just to see

695
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: him from high school and the jokes during the rhymer

696
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: and playing youth and just steady building, you know, like

697
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: an airplane taking off, just steady building his career. And

698
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, and then Undercover Cop came out. We

699
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: was like dog made it because that song was big

700
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: in the movie. We was like, damn Dog made it.

701
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: And then Warren g got his deal on Death Jam

702
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: and he had music out, and then Nate was over

703
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: there and then the Dog Pound was formed. It was

704
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: just crazy.

705
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Man, what your relationship like? O? G? John Robinson?

706
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: John Robinson man, rest in peace. He was he was.

707
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: He was my guy. He came from the Rams and

708
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: he kind of turned our football program into a pro

709
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 2: football program.

710
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: What year did he was he there before you or

711
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: came in?

712
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: No? He came my senior year. Okay, so my senior

713
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: year John Robinson came back and he taught us what

714
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: it was like to be a professional athlete and how

715
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: to practice and what it was going to be like.

716
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: And he was super fun. He put us in position

717
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: to play at a high level. But he taught us

718
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: how to practice. He taught us how to prepare for games,

719
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: you know, the one on ones, the things that we

720
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: did in practice. When I went and made that transition

721
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: into the NFL, I was kind of prepared just because

722
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: he had, you know, already coached in approgra.

723
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: Think that's a big thing. Not to cut you off,

724
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: because I think we think at each level we're always

725
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: ready to make that jump from high school to college,

726
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: from college to the pros. But there's such a huge

727
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: learning gap and speed and strength and particular in your sport.

728
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: But that's really instrumental to get a chance to see

729
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: what you're heading into before you get.

730
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: Or at least get, you know, a screenshot and be

731
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: like okay, well maybe like this, because then when you

732
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: go to that next level, it's grown men. You know,

733
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: it ain't this age to this age. It's this age

734
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: all the way to that age.

735
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: Like I said, the niggas got car seats in the

736
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: back of their trucks.

737
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: When I came into the league. At halftime, dudes were

738
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: smoking cigarette that's crazy in the tunnel. I remember playing

739
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: the Raiders and you had dudes outside the tunnel from

740
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: the Raiders sitting on their helmets smoking cigarettes. And I'm

741
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: just sitting there like at halftime, I'm like, this is

742
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: some crazy shit. This is grown men out here smoking cigarettes.

743
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: At halftimes that you couldn't see.

744
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: And it was tough and they was and they was

745
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: good and they was like beasts. But they just sitting

746
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: out there smoking a cigarette at halftime. I'm like, yeah,

747
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: it's some different ship. It's in college no more. This

748
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: is different.

749
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: You hooped a little bit too. What was the hoop

750
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: scenery like for you? Coming up in high school?

751
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: It was good. I played with Ty Sidney, you know,

752
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: he went to u C. L A and want a chatmpionship,

753
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: and we lost two games. My senior year, we lost

754
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: the Modern Day and it was ok Hill. We lost

755
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: the Okhill Academy. You know they had everybody on their

756
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: team was post one, Yeah, pros everybody on that team. Well,

757
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: we lost that game. In the tournament, we played in

758
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: the Waburger Tournament in Texas and then we uh we

759
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: lost the Modern Day where the Clippers play sports Aready.

760
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: They hit the last second shot to go to state.

761
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 2: We won c IF to state. They hit a last

762
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: second three point shot. Dude got fouled. He just threw

763
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: the ball up and went in and we lost the

764
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 2: game to go to state. What was my game was cool?

765
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: My game was cool. Ain't gonna put a lot on it.

766
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: But I did have a dual scholarship at s C SO.

767
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: George Ravelin recruited recruited lg raft So if I would

768
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: have played my freshman year. I would have been playing

769
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: with baby Jordan, all those guys and all those dudes

770
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: cool Dwayne Coop and all them. But I hurt my

771
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: ankle because I played my freshman year and I was

772
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: just like, nah, I'm cool, like football's for me. But

773
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: now that I look back, I'm thinking like I should have.

774
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: I should have probably played just to play the same

775
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: I think.

776
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I think the same thing too. I had the same

777
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: opportunity with UCLA, the legendary number fifty five of that

778
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: see established by the late great Junior say O rest

779
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: in peace to follow those footsteps. Did you get a

780
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: chance to build a relationship with him?

781
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: I did. I did so. He was a part of

782
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: my recruiting trip when I went to CE And you

783
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: know the crazy shit about Junior is he only played

784
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: one year college football. His first year he was ineligible.

785
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: I think the second year he got into some trouble. Whatever.

786
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: He played his junior year and nuts he went crazy.

787
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: I think he had like twenty four twenty three, twenty

788
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: four sacks, fifth pick in the draft, fifth pick off

789
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 2: of one year, and off of that they made fifty five,

790
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: a special number.

791
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Can you imagine at such a historical college, which you

792
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: have to do in that one season to make your journey.

793
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: Listen, man, and I didn't do nothing. I didn't do

794
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: nothing close to that. I think the most I've had

795
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: in one year at SC was sixteen seventeen sacks.

796
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great year. Like in the twenties,

797
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: it's fucking unhurt.

798
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: It's unheard. It's a record right now in the NFL.

799
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: That was the record twenty three, right, Miles Garrett broke

800
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: the record with twenty three. So he was a beast.

801
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: He was an animal, and he's from you know, he's

802
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: from the land, he's from ocean side. And after his year,

803
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: they made that the number for the premiere linebacker coming in.

804
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: So we did a whole thing with Student Sports magazine,

805
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: a whole photo shoot with him passing down the number,

806
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: and they were just saying, look, man, this is this

807
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: is the shoes you gotta feel, you know, if you're

808
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: gonna wear this number, you gotta represent. And he, you know,

809
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: he went on to have an amazing NFL career, Hall

810
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: of Fame as well, played the sport represented and he

811
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: ended up you know, the funny story is when I

812
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: left New England and went to Cleveland. I went to

813
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: Cleveland for three years. He came to New England and

814
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: played with Bruski and those guys. He called me and said, hey,

815
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Willie Mack, do you mind if I wear your jersey

816
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: number fifty five? And bro like it. I just I

817
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: just kind of like the air came out of me.

818
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: I was just like, bro like kid. I was like, yeah,

819
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: you kidding me? Bro, like you you you gave birth

820
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: to that, this is your number. He's like, nah, I know,

821
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: big bro, but you made it something here in New England.

822
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: And it was just all respect and all love. And

823
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: that's the kind of guy. You know. Junior was man.

824
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: He was just he was an incredible human being. He

825
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: was a great football player and uh, you know, we

826
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 2: just we lost him too soon. But when he gave

827
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: me that call to ask me to wear the number

828
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: that I got from him, the reason why I was

829
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: wearing the number, it was just it was just a

830
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: special moment.

831
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: That's absolutely These were an era I wish I was

832
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: allowed to move around and I wasn't old enough to

833
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: move around in the nineties. But from for a kid

834
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: from Long Beach to go to USC in the nineties

835
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: with all that La had to offer with the entertainment sports.

836
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I know football, we know your football stats. What was

837
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: life like off the field and what kind of cool stuff?

838
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: It was great, man, it was, it was great. I

839
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: took a loss when I went pro, took a loss. Listen, listen,

840
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: I took a loss. Like I grew up in La.

841
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: In LA, we had you know, we had the Raiders,

842
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: the Rams, the Lakers, the Clippers, you had the Dodgers.

843
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: You had everything here and you had so many sports

844
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: teams in the city. So like coming up in sc

845
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: you know s C, U, C, L A and whatever.

846
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: You know everything it's nothing you wanted. You want to

847
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: entertainment every night of the week. You like this something

848
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 2: to do every single night. You know, the city was popping.

849
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: You know, entertainers had their restaurants then Zel had, you know,

850
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: restaurants here.

851
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: Give me, give me something you could share now that

852
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: you haven't shared before, about just your days off the field.

853
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: At see man looking at him smiling and thinking, listen,

854
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: I can't tell that.

855
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: I can't tell that. It's a lot of shit we

856
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: used to do because we had pool. You know, like

857
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: I remember, like Tony Rutherford used to run totally secured.

858
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: So he was ran all the security for all the

859
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: clubs in LA and all the sports, all the sports

860
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: vide So we used to get in and go everywhere.

861
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: We didn't have a problem because the lineman was all

862
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: the security. You know, they all they all worked and

863
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: got a little couple extra dollars in security. But I

864
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: would say, man, being that the most pivotal, craziest.

865
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: Time was being in La the riots, doing the riots.

866
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: And just watch what twenty at that time, twenty one

867
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: at that time.

868
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in ninety two. Yeah, I was twenty.

869
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: I was right around yep, I just probably turned twenty.

870
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: And just see the National Guard come in, seeing the

871
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: city on fire, you know, seeing people partaking free things,

872
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: and you know we were young and running around and

873
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: doing stuff as well, but just seeing like what happened

874
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: and how a whole city, all the gangs and everybody

875
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: come together, and it took something like that for everybody

876
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: to come together, the peace treaty, all the rappers, all

877
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: the entertainers, and it was just like one city, all united.

878
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: It was. It was.

879
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: It was the best time. It was. It was bad

880
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: what happened, but what happened, what it caused and it

881
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, how it brought the whole city together. It

882
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: was pretty dope. It was dope being a part of

883
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: that era and seeing it and seeing being able to

884
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: go everywhere and everybody having respect and the unity, the

885
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: blue and the red flags tied together, the brown, the black,

886
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: everybody like it was no drama nowhere. Everybody was together,

887
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: The city was one, and it was like probably the

888
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: most beautiful thing.

889
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: And people don't understand just that little last two cents

890
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: you said this to not worrying about the colors and

891
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: this and that. That's it.

892
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: It's crazy because when you come from here, it's a

893
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: different element, right, and people if you didn't grow up

894
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: in it wherever you're from. You know, every city got

895
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: its own whatever elements. But just seeing if everybody come

896
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: together like everybody.

897
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: Was how long did you say that lasted a couple

898
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: of years.

899
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: I would say a couple of years. You know, we

900
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: got back to Knucklehead and we got back to the

901
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: knucklehead and political ship and everything else. But you know,

902
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: I was able to see a lot happen, Like I said,

903
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: Snoop sign is deal that happened. You know, I had

904
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: my best year in college in football, which helped me.

905
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: That was the year I said, Damn, I'm gonna probably

906
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: go pro because at the time, you know, I was young.

907
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: It's not like now when you're getting deals in college

908
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: or nils and all those different things. You're planning for

909
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: the love of the sport and because this is your

910
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: way out and it's the way you had an opportunity

911
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: to get an education. So that was my year where

912
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, agents are calling, like I'm seeing

913
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: my name. I'm like, I got a chance to actually

914
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: be a professional.

915
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Football Current State of SC football Lincoln Riley one hundred

916
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. Yeah, thirty five and eighteen in four years. Good,

917
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: not great Trojan football.

918
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: It's tough, it's a struggle, and I know there's a

919
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: lot of pressure because at USC we have a standard,

920
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: and the standard is not just winning like you know,

921
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: winning winning the championship. It's going to the playoffs and

922
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: winning championships. And I think now the going rate for

923
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: a great for a really good head coaches that it's

924
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: a hundred million plus whatever the case may be. But

925
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: you got to deliver, you know, And I think there's

926
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: so many things that come into play when it comes

927
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: to building a great team, especially now, like you got

928
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: to negotiate with these kids, You got to deal with

929
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: their handlers and all those different people. You got to

930
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: deal with the portal. You got to deal with kids

931
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: that are not happy that are on your team, that

932
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: may be leaving. There's a lot, thankfully, like this year

933
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: it was our best recruiting class. I think we ranked

934
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: number one in recruiting in the country. So we've got

935
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: some really, really good kids coming in out of high school,

936
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: but also in the portal. So this being in what

937
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: his fifth year, sixth year, At this point, you can't

938
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: really move somebody. Coaches contracts are guaranteed, so you can't

939
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: just oh, we're tired of this coach. He has to

940
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: go now. You got to give him some leadway, you

941
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: got to give them some time. So there's been some

942
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: coaching changes over the last couple of years. We haven't

943
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: done what we're supposed to do. We fell short. He

944
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: has delivered a Heisman Trophy winner in Caleb Williams, but

945
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: as far as the standard for the school, we have

946
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: underachieved and we need to get back to where we

947
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: need to be and hopefully it starts this year.

948
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Mendoza yeah, when the national and though it beats Miami.

949
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Something that I've been talking on one of my other

950
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: shows about a lot is just the age of some

951
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: of these college players now is in saying you got

952
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: a daughter in college, but the average age was twenty three.

953
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: Some players are the oldest twenty five. What are your

954
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: thoughts on twenty plus twenty five and up kids playing

955
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: in college?

956
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: You know? That was that was That was the big

957
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: conversation right after the game after they won. First of all,

958
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't think they can get there.

959
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: So if that's the equation and the science for everybody

960
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: winning the national championship, don't you get everybody would have

961
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: done it? Especially the big schools though, right, especially the

962
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: big schools that can afford it, that are desirable for

963
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: young men that want to go. I still think talent

964
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: reigns over age, Like you could have older guys, but

965
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: you've played against older guys and she was way better

966
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: than that. You didn't give a shit if they was

967
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: a couple of years older than you. You know, that's

968
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: what happens when you go to college. If you start

969
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: as a freshman, the seniors are three to four years

970
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: older than you, and I get it, like some of these.

971
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Guys, but now sometimes now they're eight years older than you.

972
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: I know. See that's a problem, and that's the problem

973
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: that I get confused.

974
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: It just needs to be some kind of cap. It's

975
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: got to be twenty four, just an age cap.

976
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: It's got to be a cap. And I get the

977
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: COVID year and all that, but if a grown man

978
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: is if he's eight years and then he belongs in

979
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: another league, he belongs in the pro league, a semi

980
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: pro league or the pros. Yeah, I just think you

981
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: give him your fifth year with a red shirt if

982
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: you get injured, maybe six, maybe you can squeeze out six.

983
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: But after that seven eighth year and kids ain't even

984
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: going to school, They just showing up to play football

985
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: or just taking the elective or whatever to stay eligible.

986
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't agree with I don't agree with none of that.

987
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: But I still think. I still think in that game

988
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: that the better team wire the way because of the

989
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: way they played, because they didn't make mistakes, you know,

990
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: because they didn't turn the ball over, they didn't beat themselves,

991
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: and they took advantage of opportunities that were you made mistakes.

992
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: So that's that's just my, that's just my. You know,

993
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: I hate making excuses. Hey, the better team won.

994
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: You think the Raiders take him at one or with

995
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: all the holes they have on that old line, or

996
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: do you trade down and possibly get a couple picks

997
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: for that first pick?

998
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: You know, you know, we saw spyteching Brady and Mark

999
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: Davis at the game right on the sideline, So I

1000
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: think they take Fernando. But the question is do you

1001
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: think he's a generational player? You know, that's the question.

1002
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: And a lot of people like to say, well, Brady

1003
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: wasn't until he was, or this guy wasn't until he was.

1004
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: You know, Peyton Manning led the league in interceptions when

1005
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: he came in. Nobody knew these guys were going to become.

1006
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: So it's all about, you know, that player's development and

1007
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: where his mind is and all that other stuff. But

1008
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: if you're trying to turn the franchise around, and you can,

1009
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: and people are throwing this out there, it's not me.

1010
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: They trade Crosby, you get two first round picks, and

1011
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: whatever you trade down from Mendoze, you get two first

1012
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: round picks. Now that's four first round picks with a

1013
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: couple of seconds. Can you turn your team around faster

1014
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: that way, then taking a quarterback and then trying to

1015
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: figure it out because it's O line, it's this, it's

1016
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: D line. You need so many things. Like you mentioned,

1017
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: there's so many holes on that team. Where do you

1018
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: start or do you say, hey, here's a generational guy.

1019
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: You got to have a quarterback to win in this

1020
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: league and we can figure it out and build around him.

1021
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: How important is the organization for a young let's just

1022
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: say quarterbacks development coming into the game.

1023
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: It's super important. It's super important because you got to

1024
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: have the right pieces around him. We've saw we've seen

1025
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: a lot of these top players come into the league

1026
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: and they don't have the right people to develop them.

1027
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: In college, you don't have enough time, and when you

1028
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: get to the pros, you have even less time because

1029
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: of the CBA, because the players vote not to spend

1030
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: more time at the facilities or with the team. That's

1031
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: what they voted on, So they're not there as much.

1032
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: So it's hard for coaches to develop. So you got

1033
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: to put great minds and you got to people. You

1034
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: got to put people around these players that understand what's

1035
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: your skill set, what's your weakness is? How can I

1036
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: build you? What can we improve in? What do I

1037
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: need to do game plan wise that's going to help

1038
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: you and put you in the best position and just

1039
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: keep taking you, you know, level by level. But it's

1040
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: about winning. You don't have time now. You don't have

1041
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: five to six to seven years. Teams want to win

1042
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: right now unless ownership says, listen, you got a five

1043
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: to six year window. I understand this is a total rebuild.

1044
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: We're gonna let you start and redo all that. Saying

1045
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: that it's a couple of plays like Detroit did it.

1046
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about that too. Is also obviously, we

1047
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: came in in the era where top picks set a

1048
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: little bit and learn behind people right now, no matter,

1049
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, a handful of guys get tossed in the fire,

1050
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: whether they be basketball, football, But there are times where

1051
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: top picks get a chance to sit down and you

1052
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: look at Aaron Rodgers who sat behind it. You look

1053
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: at the Steve Young who sat behind several guys before

1054
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: you get the shot right, you don't really see that anymore.

1055
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: Guys you're throwing in fast. You don't because they're paid

1056
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: so much.

1057
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: You don't. You're right, and you know the good thing

1058
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: now is they do have a cap for the younger players,

1059
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: So it ain't like they're getting a hundred million coming

1060
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: out of college, although they can make that in college nowadays.

1061
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: But crazy, you know, these young players that are coming in,

1062
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: they do have a window. And you know, I think

1063
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: last year the quarterback made forty something million dollars for

1064
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: five years or whatever, and then before he gets to

1065
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: his fifth year, you can renegotiate. But I think you're

1066
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: able to see what a guy is going to be

1067
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: within three to four years, and a lot of times

1068
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: maybe you don't. Look at Sam Darnold. Now three teams,

1069
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: what four teams gave up four four teams gave up

1070
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: on him and didn't think he was the guy, and

1071
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: he was the first round pick and now he is

1072
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: the guy playing in the Super Bowl. So some players

1073
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: need more time. But it's also about who's teaching those players,

1074
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: who's in their ears agree it has a lot to

1075
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: do with it.

1076
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at this real quick.

1077
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

1078
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: Bill's owner Terry Pakula Pecoola Pakula, excuse me, don't mean

1079
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: the butcher? His name through Sean McDermott under the bus

1080
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: about the Keon Coleman pick.

1081
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 3: The wide receiver position has been an issue in this team,

1082
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: and a lot of people out there believe you have

1083
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: failed in the free agent market, and then obviously with

1084
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: the Ke Coleman sign you which hasn't worked out. How

1085
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: do you answer the fact that you're not given Josh

1086
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: a good enough wide receiver thus far?

1087
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can I interrupt.

1088
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 4: I'll address the Kan situation. Uh, the coaching staff pushed

1089
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: to draft Kan. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted him,

1090
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 4: but he wasn't his next choice. That was Brandon being

1091
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 4: a team player and taking advice of his coaching staff

1092
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 4: who felt strongly about the player. And you know he's

1093
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 4: taken for some reason heat over it and not saying

1094
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: a word about it.

1095
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: But I'm here to tell you the true story.

1096
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: So you see something like that, and since this happens,

1097
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: things have transpired and they promoted someone to the head coach.

1098
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: So talk to me about this situation right here.

1099
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: You want the hood answer or the professional I want

1100
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: the hood answer. That's bit shit right there, straight up,

1101
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: that's bit shit. So the one thing you never do

1102
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: is throw employees under the bus. Whether you're the head coach,

1103
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: or your ownership. I've learned that in the most the

1104
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: most winningness coaches, I've learned that. And the reason why

1105
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: is because the owners. You're not in the scouting meetings,

1106
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: you're not breaking down these players, you're not doing the

1107
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: evils and none of that. Now, Sean McDermott will stand

1108
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: up at the press conference and take blame after every loss,

1109
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: and he'll give praise to the winners, you know, to

1110
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: the players when they win. That's what coaches do. But

1111
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: I think on that type of stage, when you fired

1112
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: a head coach, who, by the way, is a defensive

1113
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: minded head coach, he is not on the offensive side

1114
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: of the ball like that. That's Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator.

1115
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott focuses more on the defensive side. So if

1116
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: there's anybody pushing for a receiver to help one of

1117
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: the best former MVP players, your quarterback, wouldn't that be

1118
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the book. You think you would

1119
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: think Joe Brady to say, hey, we need this type

1120
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: of receiver, this guy can help us, This guy, whatever

1121
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: the case may be, will flourish within this system. I

1122
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: just think you keep things in house. I think you

1123
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: be professional and I'm sure Brandon Bean, the GM now president,

1124
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: I think he got promoted after that, has made some

1125
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: bad calls and has had some missus. The best coaches

1126
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: in the business, basketball, baseball, football have all had missus.

1127
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: What you do is you say, Okay, if this doesn't

1128
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: work in this amount of time, we move on. This

1129
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: kid has only been in the league a year and

1130
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: when you interviewed him, everybody was laughing because he was

1131
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: saying the silly shit and joke in and everybody was

1132
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: laughing at his interview and thought it was funny. But

1133
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: now when it was time for him to play and

1134
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: they needed him to play, that he wasn't ready. Maybe

1135
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: he was immature, maybe he needs some more work, whatever

1136
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: the case may be. And we talk about development. This

1137
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: is in house, so he's coming into a place where

1138
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: you got the veterans, and you got coaches, and you

1139
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: got leaders that got to get him in position mentally

1140
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: and physically to be on the football field. But as

1141
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: far as the owner stopping a GM from asking a

1142
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: question about a player, where collectively I think outing sits down,

1143
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: which the GM is over scouting, by the way, along

1144
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: with the coaching staff and you guys collectively talk about

1145
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: what you need as a staff, and you go through players. Yeah,

1146
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: some coaches may like this type of player, but it's

1147
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: going to be that offensive guru Joe Brady. That's probably

1148
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: pointing that out. That's saying we need him, or we

1149
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: like this receiver or we like that because they had

1150
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: big receivers before Gabe Davis and those guys who left

1151
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: the building. So maybe he was trying to bring in

1152
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: those type of receivers. Did it work out this one year? Okay,

1153
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: it's one year. Is the kid done? He might go

1154
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: somewhere else in ball He might ball out next year.

1155
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: You never know. But I just think it's unprofessional. I

1156
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: think it's bitch hit that you do that to a

1157
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: coach that had turned that organization into a winning organization

1158
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: and won so many games and put him in position

1159
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: and if you wanted to fire him because you secretly

1160
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: in your mind or whatever said, Okay, look, this is

1161
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,959
Speaker 2: the year. There's no Lamar Jackson, no Ma Homes, there's

1162
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: no this, there's no that. Whatever it is, you gotta

1163
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: win it. This is the year. You gotta take it.

1164
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: And he doesn't do that, that's fine, but keep it

1165
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: in house.

1166
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: That's my thing. Keep it in house. You can feel

1167
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: that way.

1168
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: It's your team. You're the owner, it's your team. You

1169
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: can feel however you want to feel. But what what,

1170
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: how how should Joe Brady feel now that he just

1171
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: said that about the former coach? Now you're the coach.

1172
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: You got promoted from offensive coordinator, now the head coach.

1173
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: So if things don't work out, if you like a player,

1174
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: you're not gonna speak up in the in the scouting

1175
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: meetings or nothing. You're gonna You're gonna be the next one.

1176
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the next one.

1177
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: So you know, I just don't like that. Man. I'm

1178
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: from the old school. You just keep everything in house

1179
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: and whatever happens happens.

1180
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing that comes to mind. Let me know,

1181
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: all right, dream front seven all time, build it.

1182
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor on the outside, we'll go, Richard Seymour. I

1183
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: gotta go Richard h I gotta put myself in there.

1184
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: And if it ain't me, it's Derek Thomas on the

1185
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: other side, Reggie White, I'm gonna go say out and

1186
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: ray Lewis my stand up linebackers. Damn, I need a

1187
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: nose tackle. I probably just go with a will Fork,

1188
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: I gotta go with my dog. I got to take

1189
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: two of my teammates with me.

1190
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: Smartest QB you ever faced, probably.

1191
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning because he knew everybody. He knew the coordinators

1192
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: before they were coordinators, when their position coaches, he knew

1193
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: what systems they ran when they were with other teams,

1194
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: and it was a constant chess match with him, like

1195
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: not not just every game, but every serious you go in.

1196
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: Ship was changing if you saw something. So he was smart.

1197
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: Like I said, he knew everybody that he played against,

1198
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: players and coaches and coordinators, and he was always prepared.

1199
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: So I would say.

1200
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: Peyton the most dynamic skill position player you've seen or

1201
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: played with.

1202
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably have to go with that. I that

1203
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: I had a fucking fit with Barry sand who I'm

1204
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: gonna have.

1205
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: To go talk to me about Barry for a second, because, yeah.

1206
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: Man, Barry. I don't know how tall Barry is, but

1207
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: with Barry man his legs and his speed, his power,

1208
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: his balance, I mean his balance was incredible. You think

1209
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: you have him down and you wouldn't. He spent out

1210
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: of shit. He get out of shit and just slight

1211
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: moves like with a wiggle, and just just how agile

1212
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: his was. His vision, like you see guys coming you

1213
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: becoming full speed from over here, and he stopped hit

1214
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: the brakes, you fly by, it look like an asshole

1215
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: hit the ground miss. And just his ability to make

1216
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: big plays out of nothing.

1217
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: He played with the box field eight nine ten. I mean,

1218
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: can you imagine them with the past game or a

1219
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: quarterback they or Emms Smith's old lines.

1220
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: Man listen and Barry retired early imagine ten years right,

1221
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: Imagine the records he would have he would have continued

1222
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: to break if you would have kept playing. He's probably

1223
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: on on on the game, on say and all that unbelievable, unbelievable, unstoppable.

1224
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: Hardest hitting player in your opinion and NFL history.

1225
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: You have to I know, I got to go back

1226
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: because you know, I grew up with with with with

1227
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: the Stellers and all these other teams.

1228
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 1: But you said, you see you played against Lot, played

1229
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: against at Water Live.

1230
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: At Water, Troy, like safet these linebackers, you know, all

1231
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: the different linebackers, I'm gonna probably pick a safety because

1232
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: they get to run. They get that running starts. So

1233
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably go with with Lot I'm gonna probably

1234
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: go a lot my big bro, my my luge, right,

1235
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, he was reckless.

1236
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: He was right before you. How many years before you?

1237
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: Was about five six?

1238
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah before me.

1239
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's big had the tip his finger cut off

1240
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: and went back in the an't even played like it

1241
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: was nothing to.

1242
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: Take it.

1243
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: One album on repeat.

1244
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't do albums. No more shit I do I do.

1245
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: I would have to probably say lately Kendrick before.

1246
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: Me against the World, you got any Pok stories? That's

1247
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: your era, you got any Pok stories.

1248
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: I've seen Pok in so many spots. Park was was

1249
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: a genuine dude, and I've seen Pocket and Damn near

1250
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: in so many fighters, But nobody would funk with him

1251
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: out here. Poc had love out here like it was

1252
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: and he had a lot of security. You know, he

1253
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: had a lot of people with him. But Pac was

1254
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: respected just because he was a real dude. You know,

1255
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: he was always real, he was always sincere. He wasn't fake,

1256
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: and you know he'd be hype and do whatever. But

1257
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: every every time I've seen Pac, and I've been in

1258
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: the studio with Dre when Dre was doing the Chronic,

1259
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: I was just I was fortunate to be because of

1260
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: because of Sloop and all them. I've seen so many

1261
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: guys come through the studio with like Dre and coming

1262
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: there and then those relationships because the dog and seeing

1263
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: all these dudes. But like for somebody to say, like

1264
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: it's famous, like pop running around the.

1265
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: City, just what's a Dre studio session?

1266
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: Like, well, for me, shut the fuck up and just

1267
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: watch and just listen. But you know, seeing the deal,

1268
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: seeing there, help write, seeing different guys, seeing other producers,

1269
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: like messing with the board. Just Dre is so meticulous,

1270
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: like it I've heard hits that ain't never came out.

1271
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: I've heard music that's never came out, just because he's

1272
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 2: so particular about everything, his sound a string and just

1273
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: sitting in there, man blessed, just chilling and he's a

1274
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: great dude, like he like you know, the session is

1275
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: always a vibe. But like I'm in the back chilling,

1276
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: Like I just like to see it, like I liked

1277
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: I love production, have to see how things come together

1278
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: and how it's made, and being able to be like

1279
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: a fly on the wall to see someone some of

1280
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: the greatest music ever made. It's crazy, crazy, one of

1281
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: the best to ever do yeah.

1282
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: One guest on All the Smoke.

1283
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: You'd like to see Dave Chappelle.

1284
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh good, call call it. You know you call it?

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01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, I mean we can get to us.

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Speaker 1: Try to get to it. We can get to hey, man,

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Speaker 1: before we get out of here. Shout out our brother

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Speaker 1: Scott Man over at Legends Man, one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest dudes I've ever met. That's how we meet.

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Speaker 1: Willy and our business partners and uh watch out for Legends.

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Speaker 1: Were walking the gear and a lot of different stuff

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Speaker 1: with Legends Man. Willie Man, I appreciate your time. Let's

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Speaker 1: have your people call my people.

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Speaker 2: Let's do that.

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Speaker 1: Do it man, that's a rap. Willie McGinnis. You can

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Speaker 1: catch us on All the Smoke YouTube and the Draft

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Speaker 1: Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.