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Speaker 1: That wasn't that was your birth announcement?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I announced to everyone that my baby
Speaker 2: was born and she came from my balls.
Speaker 5: Like, thanks, we didn't we know in case people were like,
Speaker 5: cause you wanted to know?
Speaker 3: Is that your baby?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: From your ball?
Speaker 2: Yeah, from both from my ball one ball single, yeah,
Speaker 2: although I mean it's only one sperm, so brilliant only
Speaker 2: came from one burn.
Speaker 1: One ball, one burn, Yeah, one of the balls.
Speaker 3: You never know left nut or right nut. That's the
Speaker 3: thing about it.
Speaker 5: It's it's like, uh, you know the way if you're
Speaker 5: left handed or right handed, that's how you know which ball.
Speaker 3: That's how you know. It's like a firing squad.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone shoots, but no one knows who's actually
Speaker 2: got a real bullet and who's got a ball right.
Speaker 1: And that is what I used to when I was
Speaker 1: a bully. Instead of saying head er gut, I would
Speaker 1: say left nutter, right nut?
Speaker 3: Which one do you want me to just when I
Speaker 3: was a bully.
Speaker 1: When I was gut. You know, I was a big
Speaker 1: time bully man.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I'd be like, which shoe lace do
Speaker 5: you want? Untied loser and bully sick bully ship I
Speaker 5: was doing.
Speaker 3: It's like good will hunting.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, yeah, Jack O'Brien made me choose the
Speaker 2: ranch at a belt.
Speaker 3: I said both because fuck him. That's why you.
Speaker 1: Know, I said, flip both my nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flick both my nuts. I wish I could. I
Speaker 2: can't really do the act.
Speaker 1: No, that was perfect. Yeah, all right, and we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna be you're gonna be reading Gordon Wood, regagitating Gordon Wood.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, how do you like damn apples?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: When you're gonna read Zin and it's gonna blow your
Speaker 1: hair back and it's like everybody's rich and by okay
Speaker 1: not everyone?
Speaker 3: Hey, mat what what up?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 1: It's great to have you.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be back. I love you guys,
Speaker 2: you know. I love love talking to you guys about stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to talk to you about your podcast.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay the stadium at the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1: That's that's the only question I've got written down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: And is it bad?
Speaker 1: I mean your title says it, but is it like
Speaker 1: bad like the Michael Jackson album title? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is it bad? That means good?
Speaker 5: Imagine redo that album cover is bebing it in Yahoo
Speaker 5: with the.
Speaker 1: Changes that what I'm.
Speaker 5: Going to make that on my phone right now.
Speaker 1: Was that a miss at the time or were people like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see where he's going with what's that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I just remember as a kid, I was so stoked
Speaker 5: because I was like, yo, need to like it?
Speaker 1: Fulled my assi yeah, I yes, this is the most
Speaker 1: I've ever liked an album. Is how much I like
Speaker 1: that album? When it dropped, I could name.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of what were the other good
Speaker 5: songs on that album, because I think I.
Speaker 1: Put on a concert of that in my neighborhood, just
Speaker 1: me and my friend lip synking two songs that we
Speaker 1: didn't really know the words.
Speaker 2: Are you ever bought Michael Jackson album before? So I
Speaker 2: don't know what his albums are all the way through.
Speaker 2: I only know, like you know, the hits, but there's
Speaker 2: so many hits that it's like.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah this, yeah, okay, because I'm definitely I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I know the way you make me feel. That's smooth
Speaker 5: criminal leave Me Alone Alone? That video was wild, dude.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a dangerous leave me alone, the
Speaker 1: one where he's like going, he's on the rye.
Speaker 5: It's on the bad remastered, I'm looking at the bad.
Speaker 5: I thought it was too but that was off dangerous
Speaker 5: anyway off the walls. Also, any what.
Speaker 1: Is something from your search history that's revealing about who
Speaker 1: you are?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: What is it my search? I could I was like
Speaker 4: trying to go through all my Safaris, and I was like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck I've been doing shit, I haven't been
Speaker 4: researching anything, but I did. Last week during the DNC,
Speaker 4: I googled Kamala's dad because I was like, because everybody
Speaker 4: talks about I don't know if they did anything on
Speaker 4: her dad. I don't know if I missed it.
Speaker 5: I feel like they he was very I don't. I
Speaker 5: don't feel like he wasn't mentioned.
Speaker 4: No, he wasn't mentioned from what I saw, and I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure I watched most of it, and and they
Speaker 4: do the whole like it's too bad her mother won't
Speaker 4: be here because she's dead. Make she rest in peace.
Speaker 4: But I googled the dad because I was like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck? You know, what's his deal? He's still alive,
Speaker 4: like do we not? He's not getting a shout out?
Speaker 5: And oh no, she did mention him in her speech.
Speaker 4: Actually, but I'm saying, like a background, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: Like a profile, Yeah, sure, sure, I think her.
Speaker 4: I think that moment when she mentioned him is when
Speaker 4: I was like, let me google this motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Because I was dead like, no he's not.
Speaker 4: Yes, So I was intrigued. And what was funny to
Speaker 4: me is that both her dad and Obama's dad are
Speaker 4: both like economics whizzes, and I just found it very interesting,
Speaker 4: and because I mean, they didn't really talk about they
Speaker 4: don't really talk about these deadbeat dads, and these guys
Speaker 4: aren't deadbeats at all. They're fucking intelligent. And the reason
Speaker 4: that these these politicians are thriving because they got that
Speaker 4: weird math brain. And I just I just found him
Speaker 4: interesting here at Stanford, and that's that's that's what I
Speaker 4: googled recently.
Speaker 1: He's a emist economist and emeritus. I'm so smart, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to pronounce that professor emeritus professor at
Speaker 1: Stanford University, who is, of course, and I'm not reading
Speaker 1: this off of Wikipedia, known for applying post Kynesian ideas
Speaker 1: to development economics, so that that actually placed him for me.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he's that Donald Harris. He's the
Speaker 1: one who's for applying post ideas to development economics. I
Speaker 1: always get him confused with a different economist who applies
Speaker 1: pre Kynsian ideas to development economics. That's cool, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't I don't know why he's not
Speaker 1: a bigger part of the picture. But that's that's a
Speaker 1: cool dad to have something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there obviously is something contentious, but I definitely was
Speaker 4: impressed by what I did see about him, and I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, he's probably an aggressive piece of ship,
Speaker 4: like most dads.
Speaker 1: Too much, just way too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to too logical to the point of, you know,
Speaker 4: he's dead inside. That's that's how I which explains a
Speaker 4: lot about her personality.
Speaker 1: He's an economist, and like economists have been such bitches
Speaker 1: about her economic policy, like they've been like price controls, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let the market decide around here. It's like, how's that
Speaker 1: working out for you? Yeah, exactly, And that's why we
Speaker 1: have so many of these fucking problems. So maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just one of those well, actually, guys, that
Speaker 1: probably is. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 6: Underrated? Yeah, probably said this before, but I really think
Speaker 6: getting older. I think aging is very underrated. Because I'm
Speaker 6: trying to tell you, like day parties make great. You know,
Speaker 6: started three, you home by seven, or is over by seven?
Speaker 6: I'm in bed by nine, you sleeping more like the
Speaker 6: day you have a day the next day. I feel
Speaker 6: like you could decide, you know, when you've grown you
Speaker 6: could be like, you know what, I'm not gonna drink today.
Speaker 6: Why because I have foresight. I know that tomorrow. Do
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, I am going to regret
Speaker 6: it and I am going to make a decision. You
Speaker 6: get that when you're older. I found I think maybe
Speaker 6: three years ago was the complete like death of fomo,
Speaker 6: like I stopped having. I was like, na, so for you, like, no,
Speaker 6: it's cool, like enjoy yourself. I am fine. Somebody asked
Speaker 6: me recently, like about an artist that I've known forever
Speaker 6: that does you know, pretty similar stuff And they was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: why have y'all Why are y'all not engaged in any
Speaker 6: sort of civil war? Like because he's doing all the
Speaker 6: stuff that you do. And I was like, literally, the
Speaker 6: thought has never crossed my mind. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: because I'm like, because that's the homie and I like
Speaker 6: him and he does his thing and I don't and
Speaker 6: I do. What do you like?
Speaker 5: That's a weird move for somebody to be like, hey man,
Speaker 5: how can we not get in his ass?
Speaker 1: Bro was like what why yo?
Speaker 5: Fuck him? Well?
Speaker 6: I was like what, No, he's dope, Like what are
Speaker 6: you talking about?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: But like it was like realizing that like oh that, oh,
Speaker 6: I guess that comes with age, Like I'm supposed to
Speaker 6: be I'm supposed to be jealous, Like I'm supposed to
Speaker 6: come for his spot, he's supposed to be coming from mine,
Speaker 6: I guess, but I'm.
Speaker 5: Like but not such a like yeah, but like with age, right,
Speaker 5: you get you kind of lose that sort of zero
Speaker 5: sum game mentality and like and then you sort of philosophically,
Speaker 5: I definitely had to shift to like from a scarcity
Speaker 5: mentality to an abundance mentality to use them like hokey
Speaker 5: you know, the woo woo type shit, but truly like
Speaker 5: if you believe everything is so scarce, like you're gonna
Speaker 5: be in a very defensive position all the time. And
Speaker 5: but truly, like they're the resources are out there for
Speaker 5: many things. And I see that that manifests with people
Speaker 5: in a lot of different ways, like where how people
Speaker 5: respond to certain things where they believe things are super
Speaker 5: scarce or there is an abundance of things that we
Speaker 5: can share or that everyone can win and shit like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the amount of times I'll be having like coming
Speaker 6: up that now it's so obvious to me, but having
Speaker 6: to remind myself that people have more than one album
Speaker 6: downloaded on their phone. It's not single file. You can
Speaker 6: listen to multiple artists. Like, just because they listening to
Speaker 6: this person, don't mean they not go listen to you.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about? You know what I did?
Speaker 1: This friend come to you in the form of a
Speaker 1: serpent and whisper it in your ear with elongated asses.
Speaker 5: Right, you shouldn't trust them.
Speaker 6: Speaking of which, one of my homeboys sitting another homeboy
Speaker 6: sent me a meme. It was a picture of like
Speaker 6: Adam being handed fruit and wrapped around a serpent, and
Speaker 6: the guy was like, yo, studies showed that one hundred
Speaker 6: percent of men would accept food from a naked woman.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, Adam's defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adams defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we we we firmly blame me on this podcast.
Speaker 5: I mean that was the whole point of the story.
Speaker 6: Yeah gave me, Yeah, I gave you a rib.
Speaker 5: Yeah. See, that's why I don't share my ribs with
Speaker 5: you anymore. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I have a rib, and yet look what she did
Speaker 1: with that rib you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, left a bunch of meat on the bone
Speaker 5: and everything. Am I right? Am I right?
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 7: I'm gonna stay with my food theme. I actually think
Speaker 7: we've gotten to the point where brunches is overrated. I think, yeah,
Speaker 7: what do you like? Everybody's doing brunch every weekend, and
Speaker 7: it's getting the point where it's just like flat, flabby
Speaker 7: breakfast food at a different time of day, and I'm
Speaker 7: no longer excited by it. I'm no longer inspired.
Speaker 5: I think brunch like loses its appeal the earlier I
Speaker 5: wake up, Like when I was like younger and like
Speaker 5: like you know, going out and shit like that, and
Speaker 5: I'd wake up lane, I'm like, yeah, brunch, but yeah,
Speaker 5: let's eat at one that's breakfast. But now I'm like
Speaker 5: not already eight or it's depends on, you know, if
Speaker 5: there's an occasion, but yeah, I get that. I guess
Speaker 5: is that is that maybe one of our latest food
Speaker 5: fads that's going on you now?
Speaker 7: It is a brunch Oh it'll never go away?
Speaker 6: Yeah maybe I maybe.
Speaker 7: Actually the right answer to how to live one's life
Speaker 7: is to only have brunch and tea. I mean maybe breakfast,
Speaker 7: lunch and dinner.
Speaker 1: Or two meals. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, two meals. Give
Speaker 1: me a brunch, Give me a.
Speaker 5: Tea, Give me that tea.
Speaker 1: I mean, does the enthusiasm for tea just like make
Speaker 1: you less likely to have anything at dinner? I feel
Speaker 1: like dinner becomes an afterthought at that point at dinner,
Speaker 1: spread for tea. Okay, I like that. Yeah, brunch is
Speaker 1: not a natural time for me to be hungry. If
Speaker 1: I've eaten breakfast, then like brunch is not real.
Speaker 5: Or you do the thing where you wake up and like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 5: brunch is in four hours and you're like, I don't
Speaker 5: want to like go and not eat anything. So then
Speaker 5: you're like walking this tightrope of not eating before or
Speaker 5: showing up hangar and you're like this showing up mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Uh, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back.
Speaker 6: And we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, We're back. We are The poles continue to
Speaker 1: seem like good news for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And when.
Speaker 1: It comes to Republicans response to that, it is oftentimes
Speaker 1: to get with the fuckery, make with the fuckery, make
Speaker 1: it with the voter fuckery now, not fucking yesterday, fucking now,
Speaker 1: I need a fuckery on my desk yesterday.
Speaker 5: So yeah, every state, Like you know, there's like you're
Speaker 5: i mean, not that one is going hand in hand,
Speaker 5: but clearly the Republican strategy going in to this is
Speaker 5: to do every single squeeze the margins as much as possible,
Speaker 5: even if it's illegal, to try and win the election,
Speaker 5: and also tell all your voters that the election might
Speaker 5: be stolen. So get ready to brace yourselves for some
Speaker 5: fuckery on that end. But at the same time, a
Speaker 5: lot of races are getting more competitive. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 5: seeing I mean, not that their reactions happening one in
Speaker 5: the other, but it's it's it makes sense that the
Speaker 5: fuckery is intensifying in places where races are getting, you know,
Speaker 5: much more competitive, and even places where they're not, just
Speaker 5: to ensure that certain states go red. So like in Texas, right,
Speaker 5: Governor Abbot announced on Monday that like, roughly a million
Speaker 5: voters were purged from the voter roles. Say's like to
Speaker 5: quote stop illegal voting. Many experts were quick to point
Speaker 5: out that, like, there are already routine processes in place
Speaker 5: that already remove people from voter roles, like whether they've
Speaker 5: died or if they've moved out of state or whatever.
Speaker 5: But there are a lot of people are also saying that
Speaker 5: this is merely just to stoke fears of a stolen election.
Speaker 5: That's why government. Abbott is out there saying like I
Speaker 5: had to get a million people, these people are voting illegally.
Speaker 5: He also claimed he had to remove some voters that
Speaker 5: weren't citizens, but that's hard to believe given a scandal
Speaker 5: that happened in twenty nineteen when the then Secretary of
Speaker 5: State made similar claims about voters who turned out to
Speaker 5: just be naturalized citizens they weren't illegally voting or non citizens,
Speaker 5: and then they had to resign over the bullshit.
Speaker 1: The racist attorney general had to resign. Yeah no, this
Speaker 1: is secretary Secretary of State.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, for doing for going on in
Speaker 5: and like these people are illegal and they're like, no,
Speaker 5: they're not, and what the fuck are you doing? Like
Speaker 5: and they got sanctioned all kinds of shit in the
Speaker 5: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton was also this week behind
Speaker 5: numerous raids targeting Latino voters in Texas. From an article quote,
Speaker 5: at six in the morning on August twentieth, nine officers,
Speaker 5: some with guns, showed up at the home of a
Speaker 5: activist breaking down a door to raid the home of
Speaker 5: Manuel Medina, the chair of the Tehano Democrats. All across
Speaker 5: the strait, apparently police were raiding the homes of Hispanic voters.
Speaker 5: The head of Texas is l u La c Gabrielle Rosales,
Speaker 5: who was on TV said recently, this is pure intimidation.
Speaker 5: When asked for an explanation, Ken Paxton said, without any irony, quote,
Speaker 5: secure elections are the cornerstone of our republic. So we're
Speaker 5: talking about the legal voter intimidation, getting people to have
Speaker 5: to lawyer up, drain their funds, like all this kind
Speaker 5: of bullshit because these are these are people who are
Speaker 5: running groups that are helping people get registered, you know,
Speaker 5: and just doing the very just the basics of supposed democracy.
Speaker 5: But they are being you know, run up on by police.
Speaker 5: This is the I mean a few things.
Speaker 6: First of all, I know, personally a cup like about
Speaker 6: four friends that was like, yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: I'm not registered. It was like like that just was
Speaker 6: like I don't know what just happened, but apparently I'm
Speaker 6: not registered no more. And that live in Texas that
Speaker 6: are like, I don't know more than four worth I
Speaker 6: don't know what they talking about, you know what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 6: But like, these are the moments that make me wish
Speaker 6: that I in some ways worked for a campaign to
Speaker 6: like write like to do like copy, like just to
Speaker 6: write copy for it. Because this would be if I
Speaker 6: were in the if I were running helping a democratic
Speaker 6: like election in Texas, this would be such a layup
Speaker 6: to like, you know what I'm saying, it just be like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I guess you know this is this is the American way.
Speaker 6: So you figure rather than having some points, you just
Speaker 6: gonna you just gonna beat.
Speaker 5: Us up for it.
Speaker 6: Like that's right, that's what you're gonna do, right now,
Speaker 6: That's that's your defense.
Speaker 5: Your defense is Yeah, it.
Speaker 6: Just seems like like that's all you have to do
Speaker 6: if you're running for yours. Like I don't know, guys,
Speaker 6: like I came here to give you a reason why
Speaker 6: you should vote for me, and that's what I thought
Speaker 6: we was doing.
Speaker 5: And they're kicking down my door.
Speaker 1: So waym if something happened to your door yet, know
Speaker 1: you already kicked it down, it already happened. That threat
Speaker 1: actually doesn't work.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, I mean, y'all really do believe in
Speaker 6: like seventeen seventy six, because like that's the way we
Speaker 6: used to vote, was like you know, a mob would
Speaker 6: come to your house and drag you out and be like,
Speaker 6: you know, vote for the Whigs or we burn your tavern.
Speaker 6: Like that's used to be how we did it. I
Speaker 6: thought we was past this, you know.
Speaker 5: No, no, but again, and this is also part of
Speaker 5: like Ken Paxton's legacy as attorney general because if you
Speaker 5: remember in twenty twenty, there was this whole thing. He
Speaker 5: prevented people in Harris County, where Houston is and a
Speaker 5: lot of Democratic voters are, from using mail in ballots
Speaker 5: when the pandemic was raging and people were like waiting
Speaker 5: hours in line because again they're hoping like yeah, well,
Speaker 5: you know, force people to wait in line and maybe
Speaker 5: this will they won't they won't actually vote, or maybe
Speaker 5: that can suppress the numbers. And he was even on
Speaker 5: Steve Bannon's podcast recently saying like he was like taking
Speaker 5: credit for Texas being read because he did that. He's like,
Speaker 5: if I didn't do that, those like some hundred thousand votes,
Speaker 5: you know, Trump may have Trump made the outcome. May
Speaker 5: he may have lost Texas so you never know, that
Speaker 5: could just be him, you know, obviously pumping his own
Speaker 5: ship up, but he's proud of the fact that he
Speaker 5: does that kind of shit.
Speaker 6: You could just say exactly, you could just say, okay,
Speaker 6: so worse. So what you say is and correct me
Speaker 6: if I'm wrong. I don't want to put words in
Speaker 6: your mouth. What you say is if people vote, you're
Speaker 6: gonna lose. Yeah, right, right, So the way I win.
Speaker 5: So the way I win is I have to make
Speaker 5: sure that they don't vote.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, we call them illegal when
Speaker 1: you say people, I'm gonna be a little more specific.
Speaker 5: Oh but they're but but they're not illegal. But we
Speaker 5: have to say that, so people we get to say,
Speaker 5: clutch their pearls when I do say that.
Speaker 6: Didn't they got it?
Speaker 1: Didn't they like stop except they had to like shut down.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to, but they chose to shut down
Speaker 1: a bunch of like drive through mail in ballot centers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I feel like they had to get it
Speaker 5: like an injunction to like try and keep them open.
Speaker 1: It was as it was always breaking down along like oh,
Speaker 1: what wouldn't you know it? The six conservative Supreme Court
Speaker 1: justices are all in favor of like making it harder
Speaker 1: to vote.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, yeah, so mean, I mean that's the
Speaker 5: whole project for them, right, yeah, the political project is
Speaker 5: just too obviously just like they don't have the numbers,
Speaker 5: so just so mask off from voting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's some mask off. But because Biden one,
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of memory hold it. But
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, just like like right before Amy Cony
Speaker 1: Barrett was confirmed, the Supreme Court handed down the decision
Speaker 1: that prevented ballots that arrive after election day in the
Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin from being counted even if they were,
Speaker 1: like they just changed the rule by timing of it
Speaker 1: like right before election day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just so that's just how like how do y'all say, Like,
Speaker 6: I just feel like I don't know how you're saying
Speaker 6: this with a straight face, saying, yeah, we less people
Speaker 6: to vote and we need to make it harder for
Speaker 6: you because it it's harder and it's less of y'all
Speaker 6: than we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Win, exactly, And that's been the game plan.
Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter. I mean, I think the writing's
Speaker 5: been on the wall for a long time. That's why before,
Speaker 5: like in the nineties, they were so panicks because they
Speaker 5: saw how the demographics were changing in the United States.
Speaker 5: They're like, wait, there's gonna be a lot of brown
Speaker 5: faces in this country that we can't contend with their numbers.
Speaker 5: So we'll have to create some kind of moral panic
Speaker 5: about immigration or aborse whatever it is to try and
Speaker 5: like to slow the you know, changing demographics of the country. So,
Speaker 5: like in other states, right North Carolina, the GOP is
Speaker 5: asking a court to purge over two hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: thousand voters because the voter registration database does not have
Speaker 5: a driver's license or social Security number linked to a
Speaker 5: person in their database. So this again, this, and so
Speaker 5: they're asking a court to do this while we're like,
Speaker 5: you know, very very close to election day. But it's
Speaker 5: all bullshit because as people who work on like the
Speaker 5: actual election boards in the state point out that, like,
Speaker 5: if a person doesn't provide those things when they register,
Speaker 5: they would have to show ID when they go to vote.
Speaker 5: It's not just like all right, they'll take your word
Speaker 5: on it. Yeah, they're protections in place to ensure because
Speaker 5: this is all bullshit. There's no This idea that people
Speaker 5: are legally voting is fucking bullshit. But they have to
Speaker 5: keep seeding this story over and over to keep people's
Speaker 5: suspicions up, because again, like we said, it's the only
Speaker 5: way to kind of have the energetic foundation to do
Speaker 5: something pretty fucking up.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just so years because I'd be like,
Speaker 6: y'all they never y'allly never voted, right, y'all y'all don't remember,
Speaker 6: you know, like obviously because this is the year of
Speaker 6: our Lord, twenty twenty four, I'd vote early because why
Speaker 6: would why would not it come in to mail. I'm
Speaker 6: just gonna do it. But when you did have to go,
Speaker 6: it just of course I showed them d like you don't, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you don't, you have to show the ID like I
Speaker 6: just don't understand I exactly.
Speaker 5: But again, it's it's it's meant, and that's why most
Speaker 5: people don't also because they're also bought in on the
Speaker 5: same thinking. They don't care. They just like, yeah, that
Speaker 5: does happen, and they completely ignore their own experience and
Speaker 5: just sort of be like, yep, whatever the TV is
Speaker 5: telling me. And then yesterday Charlie Cook, the god of
Speaker 5: election forecasting, shifted North Carolina to now sort of be
Speaker 5: like a plus minus zero to now favoring Harris over Trump.
Speaker 5: So again they see what's happening elsewhere. Similar efforts are
Speaker 5: underway in swing states like Arizona and Wisconsin, and all
Speaker 5: of this is happening while like voter registration data is
Speaker 5: showing that the registrations are surging compared to twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: like one hundred and seventy five percent increase in voter
Speaker 5: registration for young Black women, one hundred almost one hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty percent increase in young Latina voters.
Speaker 1: I think this is this year, this July twenty first
Speaker 1: versus twenty twenty, this same period, who was registering, who
Speaker 1: is registering?
Speaker 5: What numbers? And ninety eight percent of Black women and
Speaker 5: ninety eight percent increase in Black women that have registered
Speaker 5: to voters, an overall eighty five percent increase in Black
Speaker 5: American voters and eighty three percent increase among young women.
Speaker 5: So there's just a ton They're just like, fuck, these
Speaker 5: aren't these aren't the people standing? Yeah? Yo, again a
Speaker 5: reminder make sure that you are registered to vote. If
Speaker 5: that's you know, if you live in the state where
Speaker 5: shit is all fucked up and you're planning on voting,
Speaker 5: you just make sure that they haven't purged her.
Speaker 1: And we probably don't have to tell you this, but
Speaker 1: definitely do keep an original copy of your birth certificate
Speaker 1: on you at all times.
Speaker 5: I have on't folded up my wall, keep this.
Speaker 1: I keep that thing on me and by that of course.
Speaker 5: Original certificate. Absolutely. Yeah, and it's all fucking all the
Speaker 5: ink is faded, you know, like a receipt just looks
Speaker 5: blank after.
Speaker 1: A while, Like my vaccine card. After a little while,
Speaker 1: that shit was blank. Yeah, here's my vaccine card.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when they put the little sticker on of
Speaker 5: like like dose you got there, like sir, like this.
Speaker 6: Look man, it's the card bro.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, the ink sucks, you know.
Speaker 1: In yeah, those numbers are very encouraging, and like the
Speaker 1: people who pay attention to this ship seem to be
Speaker 1: like this is really bad for Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's crazy to watch even some of the some
Speaker 6: of his like just that weird universe still kind of
Speaker 6: be like hey, bro, like I don't know if y'all know,
Speaker 6: but we're finna lose. Uh you'll notice it. I don't
Speaker 6: know what the hell you talk about with You need
Speaker 6: to stop talking about that and start talking about this,
Speaker 6: because like just even then being like.
Speaker 5: To that point and couldiers like, yeah, Trump, maybe because
Speaker 5: you won't shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what.
Speaker 5: The wor the banks she said that shit about it.
Speaker 5: That's why they want the mics hot because you don't
Speaker 5: know how to shut the fuck up, yo.
Speaker 6: Like listen, help me, help you. I do wonder though,
Speaker 6: if I do wonder if if if JD. Finneget drew
Speaker 6: bledsold out this mug like.
Speaker 1: I'm replaced replaced by So I've been researching this because
Speaker 1: that is a real fear for me because it feels
Speaker 1: like the sort of big swing that could do something
Speaker 1: like they need a big swing. They need a big
Speaker 1: wing right now. And I think like, legally it is
Speaker 1: too late to actually change.
Speaker 5: The back okay, so I think August seventh or something,
Speaker 5: the window closed back in early August.
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna be like, we're gonna have a
Speaker 6: three person.
Speaker 5: He's gonna do all three. I'm gonna have them both.
Speaker 5: I want both. Hey hop on the trizz tickets, Like, yo,
Speaker 5: what is going on? But yeah, I don't. I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: they they do need something like at this point he
Speaker 5: needs to come out with like a new hairdoo or
Speaker 5: something like a big wig or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just you don't think the Trump cards are gonna do it?
Speaker 1: Are good? No?
Speaker 5: No, he's like a face tattoo, like some shit, I
Speaker 5: just figure out something.
Speaker 1: Hey, amazing transition, Thank you prop because you know, he
Speaker 1: knows that the assassination attempt like that was where it
Speaker 1: kind of peaked for his campaign. Yeah, then he had
Speaker 1: sort of a low energy convention right after that. It
Speaker 1: was like the weekend after and he picked jd Vance
Speaker 1: like right after it. It was just it just it
Speaker 1: fell apart really quickly on him. And so he keeps
Speaker 1: going back to the hits. You know, he's like a
Speaker 1: you know, micro version of the macro trend of famous
Speaker 1: people who just can't move on from the peak of
Speaker 1: their fame. So Michael Jordan keeps wearing baggy boot cut
Speaker 1: jeans like just you know, whether they're in style or not,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's the nineties. Every everywhere he goes,
Speaker 1: it's still the nineties.
Speaker 5: Don't go He's Donald Trump is.
Speaker 1: Stuck around the assassination. He opened his interview with Elon
Speaker 1: Musk talking about that shit, and now he is making
Speaker 1: it kind of a core part of his message by
Speaker 1: saying in an interview with doctor Phil and he's also
Speaker 1: like made reference to this in past speeches that the
Speaker 1: assassination attempt against him, which somehow, by the way, only
Speaker 1: happened last month, like that, Wow.
Speaker 5: Yes, that was Oh that was July thirteenth or something.
Speaker 1: That was mid July. Oh my god, not even the
Speaker 1: beginning of July, like mid July.
Speaker 6: I mean, it might as well be to Kennedy assassination
Speaker 6: right now, so far away.
Speaker 1: But he's saying that was actually the Assassination's assassination attempt
Speaker 1: was actually Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's fault because they
Speaker 1: weren't too interested in my health and safety, and they've
Speaker 1: been making it very difficult, very very difficult to have
Speaker 1: proper staffing in terms of Secret Service, which reportedly the
Speaker 1: Secret Service did complain about a lack of personnel in
Speaker 1: the past two years. But since the at Hack, agents
Speaker 1: from the Biden detail have been diverted to Trump. So
Speaker 1: he's like, here, man, you take him. He called him
Speaker 1: immediately after in Troubles, like, oh my god. He was
Speaker 1: so nice. He was like asking me how I was
Speaker 1: and was complimenting how I like moved my head in
Speaker 1: a way that avoided the shot. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I think probably part of the
Speaker 1: issue is that there's never been a ex president who
Speaker 1: is as constantly in the public eye and as controversial
Speaker 1: as this mother. I mean, there's never been a person
Speaker 1: who's as controversial and as in the public eye for
Speaker 1: as long as he's been. So, yeah, they had to
Speaker 1: go outside of protocol and shift resources, which they did
Speaker 1: after the assassination attempt. The Secret Service not great at
Speaker 1: their job, it turns out in some cases.
Speaker 5: Yeah, armed law enforcement not good at their job. Knows
Speaker 5: at eleven that everywhere the thing that's while it's like
Speaker 5: to your point, right, like most presidents, they fuck off.
Speaker 5: They go to their layer because they know they got
Speaker 5: away with it. They're like, no, bro, I did some
Speaker 5: war crimes. Bro, just shut the bro. I don't exist.
Speaker 5: Just don't talk about me. And I'm stingy. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: buying an awquard for in Mexico, so I have a
Speaker 5: bunch of clean water resources. I'm gonna paint my little paintings. Okay,
Speaker 5: don't talk to me. I don't exist anymore. Forget about me. Nope,
Speaker 5: don't look at me. You're looking at me.
Speaker 1: You're looking at me.
Speaker 5: I'm not here. I'm not here.
Speaker 6: How much how much is it for me to come
Speaker 6: speak for fifteen minutes? Okay? So the gross national product
Speaker 6: of a small country word, I got you home?
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, we're good. Wait hold on you. Oh Spotify
Speaker 5: wants to give me a deal, yeah, to get out
Speaker 5: the house.
Speaker 6: Like I'm not getting I'm not getting out the house
Speaker 6: unless it's the gross national product the Budapest.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Like George W. Bush killed million, like over
Speaker 1: a million people. Yeah, And I bet his secret service
Speaker 1: detail is like a retired com Like it's like at
Speaker 1: the end of like no Country for old men like that.
Speaker 1: Who is with him is like a couple people you know,
Speaker 1: like Trump? Yeah, Trump, Trump is a special case. He
Speaker 1: also suggested, and this is one of the great times
Speaker 1: when you can tell he's being fed information because it's
Speaker 1: coming from like a different word set than.
Speaker 5: He is working with.
Speaker 1: He said that the would be assassin was inspired by
Speaker 1: Democrats rhetoric, flaming it on JJ rhetoric. Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I feel like it is like if you're like
Speaker 5: a teacher grading a paper and you come across this vehetoric.
Speaker 6: Hey, Donald, come here, rhetoric. Mean, yeah, just I'm just.
Speaker 5: Gonna ask you, what is E D E R I
Speaker 5: c K rhetoric rhetoric?
Speaker 6: When I got it, my Otherest daughter was like a
Speaker 6: sixth grader. She was it was very clear that, like
Speaker 6: she's just not doing her homework. Like I'm like, so,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to explain to my wife. I was like, baby,
Speaker 6: she's just not doing it, Like it's not she's oh right, yeah,
Speaker 6: not even She's just not doing it. I'm like I
Speaker 6: And then so she's in the car and she goes
Speaker 6: and my daughter from the backseat goes, yeah, I think
Speaker 6: it's the curriculum. And then my wife was like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: because my wife's a pad she's she's an educator. So
Speaker 6: she was, yeah, there is a problem with California curriculum.
Speaker 6: I was like, hold up, what does curriculum mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: She was like I don't know, I said, but that's
Speaker 6: the problem, right. I was just like, she don't know
Speaker 6: what that means, right, She's just not doing the work, babe. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like that weird uh. Jaden and Willow Smith
Speaker 5: interview from like seven years ago where they were like
Speaker 5: talking about all kinds of weird. Yeah, yeah, yah, philosophical ship.
Speaker 5: They're like, y'all are fucking twelve years old. Yeah, what
Speaker 5: the fuck are you're saying right now? But yeah, you
Speaker 5: don't know what rhetoric means.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, he did not say shit about assault
Speaker 1: rifles or gun control, the thing that is actually to
Speaker 1: blame for the history of many assassination attempts and shootings
Speaker 1: in this country.
Speaker 6: I'm goa throwing here racism. Let me tell you why
Speaker 6: I'm a thrown here racism. Let me let me tell
Speaker 6: you a lot. I'm glad you asked, because what's the
Speaker 6: name of that city in Pennsylvania that they was.
Speaker 5: At Butler Farm? Butler? But it was the Butler Farm
Speaker 5: showed ground.
Speaker 6: So look, we're in Butler, Pennsylvania. Of course there's a
Speaker 6: little white boy walking around with a gun. Of course
Speaker 6: there is wearing Butler, Pennsylvania. Of course he gonna climb
Speaker 6: up on the roof. Well, well, Huckleberry Finn had asked,
Speaker 6: and nobody had nothing to say about it, because y'all
Speaker 6: don't suspect little white boys, you said. The whole time,
Speaker 6: they're like, huh, there's somebody there, not until the boy
Speaker 6: got the got the whole last president in his scope
Speaker 6: was y'all like, wait a minute. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 6: let anybody else walk around Butler, Pennsylvania with a with
Speaker 6: a whole assault rifle. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,
Speaker 6: you couldn't even got out the car. The fact that
Speaker 6: y'all was like, of course he walking around here all
Speaker 6: open with a gun and climbing on the roof because
Speaker 6: that's a little white boy in Butler, Pennsylvania. That's everybody
Speaker 6: over there. So to me, I'm like, that's what y'all
Speaker 6: get for not assuming that that little boy dangerous.
Speaker 5: Not that's what you get. You understand what people. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but people with a gun can be dangerous. White white
Speaker 5: kid with ben Kyle written that's Kyle Rittenhouse and I
Speaker 5: love that and look.
Speaker 6: Chevy, little chubby little cheeks. I'm just saying, your little chubby,
Speaker 6: little cute, little eighth grader might be a murderer.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: You might be.
Speaker 6: That's all in fact on camera doing it with with
Speaker 6: no second thought, just like I just like I just
Speaker 6: y'all wouldn't gonna stop me. I just walk right in here.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he Trump just doubled down on his opposite
Speaker 1: position to gun regulations, and this was all happening. I
Speaker 1: forget if I said this up top in an interview
Speaker 1: with doctor Phil for some fucking reason, And shockingly, doctor
Speaker 1: Phil did not.
Speaker 5: Push back on this.
Speaker 1: Tatro really hit what about gun regulation? Right?
Speaker 6: Even getting the home runs with the pop culture interviews. Man,
Speaker 6: just I think he also people. I think he doubled
Speaker 6: down on the uh like just vote for me once
Speaker 6: and you want to have to vote again?
Speaker 5: Shit too. In that interview it had all kinds of
Speaker 5: There's one part where I'm pretty like doctor Phil was like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: after that shit, like, do you hug your kids extra
Speaker 5: like hard?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: And like Donald Trump doesn't even say yes to that.
Speaker 5: He just like goes on and talks about some other shit.
Speaker 5: I just want to play this because it's so trumpy,
Speaker 5: where like Donald like doctor Phil's trying to underhand him,
Speaker 5: like be like, hey, here's your shot to also sayd
Speaker 5: like a dad like remember that because remember what Tim
Speaker 5: Walls did.
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 5: This is him talking just being asked do you hug
Speaker 5: your kids extra hard?
Speaker 1: After that?
Speaker 6: Did you hug your kids extra hard?
Speaker 8: I mean, as it changed, a lot of people ask
Speaker 8: me and a lot of people say, like, have you
Speaker 8: developed any fear of you know, doing this, Like because
Speaker 8: you look big. President is a dangerous job. It's much
Speaker 8: more dangerous than a race car driver.
Speaker 5: Statistically false, but okay, go on, absolutely not bro dangerous.
Speaker 8: But yes, if you think about it, just go up
Speaker 8: and down the list. So yeah, forty six and numerous
Speaker 8: left early or got hit. It's a very dangerous job.
Speaker 8: It's a I never realized how dangerous anyway.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm like, you hug your kids not
Speaker 1: basically a hard driver rule. Hey sick, I'm doing it, dude,
Speaker 1: do you love your kids.
Speaker 5: I've got a more dangerous job than a guy who
Speaker 5: goes in volcanoes when they're erupted, because you know how
Speaker 5: to was the question about my kids. I don't give
Speaker 5: a fuck because it's.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the most right. Like when you think
Speaker 1: about the number, there's only been forty how many.
Speaker 3: Forty six forty six total?
Speaker 1: But there they were in the forty seventh and four
Speaker 1: of them have been.
Speaker 9: Shot three three to death in office. Yeah, four have
Speaker 9: been killed. Yeah, for Abe, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and JFK.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, oh JFK got killed.
Speaker 5: He showed up in close last week. We saw him.
Speaker 5: He's fine, he's fine, he's fires.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I can agree with the statistics, but
Speaker 1: it's just funny that he's I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, drivers don't have armed security for life, bro, Like,
Speaker 6: just let's just start there. What's the secret service for
Speaker 6: race car drivers?
Speaker 1: And could I just get you to like give me
Speaker 1: a moment of vulnerability where you've seem human right now?
Speaker 1: I'm actually fucking rocks.
Speaker 5: Did you hear how kind of like discombobulated he was
Speaker 5: with that? And she's like, you know, dude, it's like
Speaker 5: he was saying like.
Speaker 6: It was almost like he was thinking the question was
Speaker 6: gonna be something else. So he was like, I just
Speaker 6: wanted to get these bars off, and I was trying
Speaker 6: to find a question that was gonna get these bars off,
Speaker 6: And can I make this question about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He legitimately like doctor Phil asked about his kids, and
Speaker 1: he asked himself a different question.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Other people ask me, am I scared? Guess what?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I don't feel fear, because that's what you're asking me.
Speaker 6: You're asking me about my children. But what you mean
Speaker 6: is am I afraid to die? That's what you really
Speaker 6: asking right exactly? No, sorry, I'm asking you if it
Speaker 6: gave you perspective about how life was precious, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a lot of perspective.
Speaker 6: Enjoy the family that you have, now, that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And to answer your question, yeah, I'm pretty tough.
Speaker 5: Met what All right?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 1: Look at this card right here?
Speaker 5: Look at me.
Speaker 1: I'm dancing in an iron Man suit. I look fucking red.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm doing my little two step, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. They call that the Trump shuffle.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back, all right. So that you may
Speaker 1: have seen this story that AI police reports are here
Speaker 1: to save the police from doing police work. Basically, it's
Speaker 1: only a matter of time, you know. It was only
Speaker 1: a matter of time until the two of the shittier
Speaker 1: things on the planet, AI and policing joined forces. In
Speaker 1: this case, the AI helps them churn out recaps of
Speaker 1: incidents using bodycam footage, thus sparing the officers from having
Speaker 1: to pen lengthy reports. And the cops like in talking
Speaker 1: about it, the ones that they're like interviewing for these
Speaker 1: puff pieces on the technology are like, I can't write
Speaker 1: for shit, I'm basically an idiot, and this thing made
Speaker 1: me like it. This is a quote from one of
Speaker 1: the stories. It was a better report than I could
Speaker 1: have ever written, and it was one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 1: It flowed better, better than I could have ever written.
Speaker 1: That's first of all, it's supposed to be a rough draft,
Speaker 1: Like it's not supposed to replace the reports that you're
Speaker 1: writing the post. They give you a rough draft that
Speaker 1: you then like work backwards on.
Speaker 5: Nah, n I gotta cut corners and how like.
Speaker 1: It's called draft one, by the way, that's the name
Speaker 1: of the technology as draft one. And he's like, this
Speaker 1: is the goddamn best thing, best version of a report
Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: And how important are these like police reports in terms of,
Speaker 5: you know, like when people intersect with the justice system,
Speaker 5: Like is it how vital are these and how much
Speaker 5: like how much room is there for you know, dubious
Speaker 5: shit to pop into these kinds of police reports?
Speaker 7: All right, to be clear, they're already largely made of
Speaker 7: dubious shit. Like let's let's start from there, Okay. The things,
Speaker 7: these things vary really really wildly from place to place.
Speaker 7: So when I started out as a public Defender. I
Speaker 7: was in Santa Clara County, California, in which the police
Speaker 7: are trained to write reports. So when a thing happens
Speaker 7: and the police are there, they'll like write down what
Speaker 7: they saw, and then the second cop there will write
Speaker 7: down what he saw, and then they talked to a
Speaker 7: witness and they write down with the witness set and
Speaker 7: all and all you get this packet, which is really
Speaker 7: really helpful if we are going to believe that the
Speaker 7: legal system is in any way about finding truth right, Like,
Speaker 7: you want to have detailed accounts from the people who
Speaker 7: were there about what they what they heard, and what
Speaker 7: they saw. I then went out to New York to
Speaker 7: work at Bronx Defenders, and that's when I learned that
Speaker 7: the NYPD is essentially like really really really good at
Speaker 7: not writing stuff down. When you get an NYPD discovery packet,
Speaker 7: it's like a whole bunch of pages, but all of
Speaker 7: the pages have the same one line copy pasted on them.
Speaker 7: It's like, at the time and place of occurrence the
Speaker 7: incident did occur, yell.
Speaker 1: Anything, and that is when the suspected perpetrator did occur
Speaker 1: onto the occurrence and it happened that at that moment
Speaker 1: in the geographical location in question. Heretofore, it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we could have a.
Speaker 7: Whole conversation about like the police attraction to big words.
Speaker 7: They don't quite use it. You want to have a
Speaker 7: great time. They've got the defense attorney ask a cop
Speaker 7: on the stand what furtive means? They love saying everything
Speaker 7: a furtive movements, But like, what what is what is
Speaker 7: furtive to you?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 7: Indeed, this whole situation is furtive. So when you get
Speaker 7: to a place where essentially nothing is written down you,
Speaker 7: you create a systemic problem, which is, in order for
Speaker 7: me to get any information to protect an accused person
Speaker 7: and protect their US constitutional rights, I'm going to need
Speaker 7: to create a legal process to find out more about
Speaker 7: what this CoP's claims actually are, which means I may
Speaker 7: have to demand hearings that I don't actually need, Like
Speaker 7: I might have to file suppression hearings that I don't
Speaker 7: actually need, just to get the cop on the witness
Speaker 7: stand just so I can cross examine them about what
Speaker 7: the heck they're saying they saw and did. So it's
Speaker 7: really really really inefficient, and it's bad for truth and
Speaker 7: it's bad for justice. Like it's very very bad for
Speaker 7: any semblance of accuracy in the system, and it causes
Speaker 7: massive delays. So all of this is to say bad
Speaker 7: discovery is a huge driver of our system being inept
Speaker 7: at creating any semblance of truth.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: It's also like you have to remember that police writing reports.
Speaker 7: There's kind of a double edged sword here because police
Speaker 7: get a ton of overtime out of writing reports if
Speaker 7: they make an arrest at the end of their shift
Speaker 7: and they get to sit at their desk for the
Speaker 7: next three hours like carefully inscribing documents with at the
Speaker 7: time and place of occurrence the event and again very incursive. Yeah,
Speaker 7: they make a ton of overtime doing that. So I
Speaker 7: think I mean when I say a ton, I mean
Speaker 7: like millions and millions. Wherever you are in the country.
Speaker 7: You should google who the highest paid public employee in
Speaker 7: your jurisdiction was, and there's like a decent chance it
Speaker 7: was a cop who made a lot of overtime a
Speaker 7: few years ago. It was like a port authority cop
Speaker 7: in New York City.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just like over a million bucks in overtime. And
Speaker 7: so when I think about what AI would do to
Speaker 7: this process, I think of a couple of things. One,
Speaker 7: it's less accurate because it's not giving you the police
Speaker 7: officers impressions of what happened. It's giving you the AIS
Speaker 7: impressions of what happened. And this is even assuming the
Speaker 7: AI doesn't hallucinate, which, as we know, like AIS make
Speaker 7: stuff up all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So yeah, Like, if you're going to totally hand over
Speaker 7: your faith to a robot to tell you what happened
Speaker 7: in a video and abandon the idea that human perception
Speaker 7: is necessary to interpret what happened in a video, you're
Speaker 7: also leaving by the side of the road things that
Speaker 7: I might need to know about the cops ability to
Speaker 7: perceive about what the cop was focused on. What like,
Speaker 7: For example, in a police report, let's say the whole
Speaker 7: report is written about I don't know somebody's way of
Speaker 7: driving a car in a DUI case, and none of
Speaker 7: it's about the fact that when the person got totally
Speaker 7: furtively furtively across you know, when they get out of
Speaker 7: the car, maybe everything they did at that point was fine.
Speaker 7: Maybe they're talking, fine, walking fine, don't have any sort
Speaker 7: of symptoms of intoxication. If the entire report is about
Speaker 7: the driving, then I get to cross examine the cop on,
Speaker 7: like why why didn't you talk about what happened after that?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 7: Like their omissions can be really really important to a
Speaker 7: jury to decide who's lying, who's telling the truth. You
Speaker 7: take the human perception out of that, and you take
Speaker 7: away this fundamental thing. Our system is designed to have
Speaker 7: twelve people tell you if another person is lying, right,
Speaker 7: twelve people can't tell you if an ai is lying
Speaker 7: or hallucinating. I mean, it's just it takes us even
Speaker 7: farther from the system having utility. And I get that
Speaker 7: in the system we are going to consistently prioritize the
Speaker 7: efficiency of punishment over the semblance of truth. But especially
Speaker 7: with the involvement of Axon, which has a grotesque history,
Speaker 7: I'd be more than happy to Yeah, this is like
Speaker 7: five alarm fire.
Speaker 5: Wait, you're saying a company that used to be called Taser.
Speaker 1: I like that they went from Taser obviously like trying
Speaker 1: to cover up the fact that they're the company that
Speaker 1: invented the taser that for some reason as a negative
Speaker 1: connotation with it to Axon is like so fucking aggressive.
Speaker 7: Well it's also you know, that's a nerve. Axon is
Speaker 7: what the electrical current runs down that stimulates the next
Speaker 7: nerve cell. So it's still like we're gonna zapia. It's
Speaker 7: just we're gonna zapA for people who took ap bio.
Speaker 5: That's right exactly. It's like the version of using furtive.
Speaker 1: They're like, what if we just classed it up, I
Speaker 1: would just throw in the additional thing and this might
Speaker 1: be like not this might be a controversial statement, but
Speaker 1: I personally don't want to get like it. So the
Speaker 1: CEO of Axon, who is a company behind this AI technology,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about other stuff there behind brag that the
Speaker 1: AI spares cops from the tedious work of spending half
Speaker 1: their day doing data entry. I don't want police to
Speaker 1: be like out roaming the streets more with their guns,
Speaker 1: like ready to get like suspicious about whatever comes across
Speaker 1: their plate while they're sufficiently bored, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: this is a job that we want to have a
Speaker 1: healthy amount of like downtime where they're reflecting on what
Speaker 1: they've done and like having to think about that and
Speaker 1: account for it. And this technology seems to be designed
Speaker 1: to like what if the police were like even more
Speaker 1: gas and less breaks like built into it. What if
Speaker 1: it was just more they don't really even have to
Speaker 1: think about it because the machine's there to like just
Speaker 1: document what they did out you know, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: exactly liss policing aka just like out there fucking shit
Speaker 1: up more of the time.
Speaker 5: I think the other thing that's really interesting too is
Speaker 5: like to your point, Emily, you know, the overtime is
Speaker 5: where a lot of budgets go and a lot of
Speaker 5: people they make their they make that money. We're like,
Speaker 5: how does that cop have that fucking car and like
Speaker 5: a boat and all this other stuff. It's like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 5: the overtime's wacky that they're never like this will actually
Speaker 5: help cut down on costs. They're more just like, dude,
Speaker 5: it's gonna help the cops, dude, so they don't have
Speaker 5: to be bored at work, you know, and like you
Speaker 5: think the way to sell it to people who might
Speaker 5: be more progressive, like guess what, man, this could actually
Speaker 5: save a lot of money because now they don't have
Speaker 5: the time to do, you know, claim as much overtime.
Speaker 5: But again, that's that's part of the appeal. So they'll
Speaker 5: just be like, no, man, it just makes their job
Speaker 5: easier so they can keep you the citizen safe. All right,
Speaker 5: next question.
Speaker 7: You're right, though, it's also sort of exposing this terrible choice.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: We have set up policing policy so that the vast
Speaker 7: majority of police time is spent on things most people
Speaker 7: don't actually care about. So when you ask the people
Speaker 7: what are they like scared of, it's like burglary, robbery,
Speaker 7: sexual assault, murder. And when you look at how police
Speaker 7: spend their time, the vast majority of it is on
Speaker 7: like noise complaints and unfounded calls and like somebody was
Speaker 7: peeing outside and trespassing, and sometimes on what I sort
Speaker 7: of think of as like police manufactured crime, which is
Speaker 7: like convincing someone with a substance use problem to score
Speaker 7: some drugs and also score for the undercover who will
Speaker 7: then arrest them for a felony.
Speaker 5: R Right.
Speaker 7: And the reason we don't want them on the street
Speaker 7: more is because they are out there on the street, armed, dangerous,
Speaker 7: and not investigating the things that people really care about.
Speaker 7: If you look at clearance rates, a lot of people
Speaker 7: don't know what clearance rates are, but it's the rate
Speaker 7: at which police are able to close cases. And in
Speaker 7: any jurisdiction, you can search for your local clearance rates,
Speaker 7: you be like, all right, how many rape cases are
Speaker 7: my local police even closing.
Speaker 6: Got the most places.
Speaker 7: Thirteen to twenty percent. This is a whole other feminist soapahow.
Speaker 1: Is totally across the entire country. There's like at least
Speaker 1: ninety that they've closed in the past decade.
Speaker 7: Seriously, and that's because it's a policy choice. It's a
Speaker 7: choice from police leadership about what they're going to dedicate
Speaker 7: resources to. And if, yeah, if the answer was, okay,
Speaker 7: they're not going to spend their time writing trespassing reports,
Speaker 7: but instead we're going to dedicate real efforts to how
Speaker 7: about wage theft or large scale pollution of poisoning entire towns.
Speaker 7: We're going to set the cops on that. If they
Speaker 7: were going to investigate crimes of the powerful against the
Speaker 7: citizenry instead of writing reports, I might feel differently about it,
Speaker 7: But I don't think that's the plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, never has been. Yeah, But I do just want
Speaker 1: to get a little bit more into the history of acxllon.
Speaker 1: So they were taser. They made their initial money with
Speaker 1: selling tasers, and then body cams. When that became the
Speaker 1: solution to police brutality corruption, they went with body cams,
Speaker 1: and they basically have a monopoly for which they've been sued.
Speaker 1: They made four hundred and sixty one million dollars in
Speaker 1: the first quarter of twenty twenty four alone. They're also
Speaker 1: the same company that made headlines for endeavoring to solve
Speaker 1: school shootings with Taser equipped drones. That plan was paused
Speaker 1: when the majority of Axon's ethics board resigned in protests.
Speaker 1: But I think probably the most relevant and also, like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, their CEO gives speeches via remote iPad. I
Speaker 1: use an avatar man glued to the front of a
Speaker 1: motorcycle helmet.
Speaker 7: They also created excited delirium in parts all the bos
Speaker 7: that are due to.
Speaker 1: That, Yes, so I wanted to talk about that because
Speaker 1: I also think like that feels very relevant to this,
Speaker 1: because this is them getting involved in police narrative and
Speaker 1: how police justify what they're doing, and they were involved.
Speaker 1: You actually have a great video on this on your Twitter, Emily,
Speaker 1: where you talk talk about how about their role in
Speaker 1: the creation of and the proliferation of the term excited delirium,
Speaker 1: which is something we covered a while back, but I
Speaker 1: think it's always worth kind of refreshing people's memory of
Speaker 1: what is excited delirium.
Speaker 7: So excited delirium is a made up medical diagnosis that
Speaker 7: was originally invented in a sort of predictably racist way
Speaker 7: in Miami many decades ago, where a doctor claimed that
Speaker 7: people were dying of excited delirium, the sort of state
Speaker 7: of mania that caused them to behave really erradically and
Speaker 7: aggressively and dangerously and then they perish, They just expire.
Speaker 7: And it turned out that many of the women who
Speaker 7: are originally alleged to have excited delirium had actually been
Speaker 7: killed by a serial killer. But this idea that people
Speaker 7: could become so worked up that they are dangerous and
Speaker 7: then they die was seized upon by police because in
Speaker 7: police encounters where there is a need to justify use
Speaker 7: of force, it is very useful for them to claim
Speaker 7: that the person they used force against was dangerously worked
Speaker 7: up and had this medical thing where they became a
Speaker 7: risk to everybody's safety and they had to be taste
Speaker 7: and then oh, when they died from a heart attack,
Speaker 7: it wasn't because they got a massive vault of electricity.
Speaker 7: It was because they died of excited delirium. So excited delirium,
Speaker 7: which is not accepted by the way by doctors, Like
Speaker 7: medical associations are like, that's totally not a thing. Psychiatrical
Speaker 7: associations the same deal, not a thing.
Speaker 1: But there was that one panel that feel like we're
Speaker 1: good here. No need to look into the panel or
Speaker 1: who funded that I think we're good.
Speaker 7: No need to look at how many doctors on the
Speaker 7: panel were put there by Axon to no need to
Speaker 7: connect this to no need to also think about how
Speaker 7: much this reduces Axon's liability, right, because if deaths are
Speaker 7: caused by excited delirium and not caused by a taser,
Speaker 7: they're not going to have they're not going to be
Speaker 7: able to be successfully sued. But it's actually become a
Speaker 7: serious epidemic in this country of police using excited delirium
Speaker 7: to justify it not only taser use of force, but
Speaker 7: the use of paramedics as a weapon, like we said
Speaker 7: on the Elijah McLain case, where the police had paramedics
Speaker 7: inject Elijah McLain with a lethal dose of sedatives under
Speaker 7: this false diagnosis of excited delirium. So that seed that
Speaker 7: Axon planted in eight in legitimizing this diagnosis has now
Speaker 7: caused many many deaths and is continuing to cause deaths
Speaker 7: around the country.
Speaker 5: Right because like they'll hit people like ketamine and stuff,
Speaker 5: and then like they like I was reading a statistic
Speaker 5: that a lot of those people end up having to
Speaker 5: be intubated because it's so severe, and they're like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, man, wait, the guy was excited. I mean
Speaker 5: then they also said the same thing about George Floyd too. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was like very early on, like it's excited. I
Speaker 5: don't know what you want to saying, man, let's let's
Speaker 5: just move on. So then like so axin for them,
Speaker 5: it's just more because they're sort of like, hey, we
Speaker 5: love what you guys do. Let's help out because this
Speaker 5: also helps justify the use of our products. Like is
Speaker 5: that sort of like their main motivation and like sort
Speaker 5: of pushing the excited delirium sort of craze along.
Speaker 7: I think it's also a legal shield. I mean, if
Speaker 7: I'm going to let's say I lose a loved one
Speaker 7: who was taste and I want a sue Taser for
Speaker 7: marketing a product as non lethal that was in fact
Speaker 7: lethal to my loved one. And they say, the medical
Speaker 7: examiner certificate doesn't say that your loved one died of
Speaker 7: an electric shock. The medical examiner certificate says excited delirium,
Speaker 7: So you can't actually get money from us in a
Speaker 7: civil suit or settlement. So it's it's covering them from
Speaker 7: being financially responsible for deaths they cause. And the same
Speaker 7: thing for police. I mean, if the police are getting
Speaker 7: the police could be sued in the same case, right,
Speaker 7: the sue Taser for the device to the police for
Speaker 7: the action. But either way, if the emmy's certificate says
Speaker 7: this person died of excited delirium, it's a liability.
Speaker 5: Shield, right, yeah, and disproportionately applied to Black men. Yes
Speaker 5: a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, it's a way for the police to justify
Speaker 1: that they why they're scared.
Speaker 7: It's really reliant on racist tropes right on the adultification
Speaker 7: of black children. First of all, this this child is
Speaker 7: a risk to me because I'm perceiving this child as
Speaker 7: older because of racial bias, but also the racist myth
Speaker 7: of dangerousness of black men in an excited state. I mean,
Speaker 7: this is totally playing on long term American racist tropes
Speaker 7: and sanitizing them with a fake medical diagnosis.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, Yeah, it sounds like something you'd get at,
Speaker 5: like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory excited delirium for.
Speaker 1: You and you're like, right, ooh yeah, and that's why,
Speaker 1: and that's why we had to drown him in the
Speaker 1: chocolate river.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Just a couple more details about is it Axin Axon.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call them Axon because that feels sufficiently violent
Speaker 1: and sinister. Their CEO is like founding story. I just
Speaker 1: like founding stories for companies and CEOs because they are
Speaker 1: like the most full of shit things in America and
Speaker 1: like most widely believed people, like it was founded in
Speaker 1: the like everything was founded in a garage. No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't founded in like their rich dad's second home that
Speaker 1: was behind you his first mansion. But anyways, the CEO
Speaker 1: repeatedly told the story that he started the company because
Speaker 1: his two high school friends were shot and killed. He
Speaker 1: played high school football with them. It's just like two
Speaker 1: guys that he knew about who were like four or
Speaker 1: five years older than him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they weren't even he never went to high school
Speaker 5: with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's just you know, for him, he's
Speaker 1: like and man like, that's the closest that I like
Speaker 1: kids who were at your high school before you, is
Speaker 1: like such a stretch to be like that's also they
Speaker 1: the workplace culture includes group tasings and tattooing sessions in
Speaker 1: which employees are inked with corporate insignia. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the drone thing. While they were like all right fine
Speaker 1: when their entire ethics board resigned, they did by a
Speaker 1: drone company recently. So there it seems like what well
Speaker 1: their mouth says, all right, fine, god, their their money
Speaker 1: is saying that they're full, full steam ahead on the
Speaker 1: taser drones front. Yeah, so just all sorts of wild
Speaker 1: shit there, like truly the most dystopian, like a bunch
Speaker 1: of tattoo branded like corporate people, guy with motorcycle helmet,
Speaker 1: iPad face, like.
Speaker 5: Right, like knowing murder victims. Yeah, it's all I mean,
Speaker 5: they're in a way, it all does feel very appropriate.
Speaker 5: That then it's like and now that's what I like
Speaker 5: to do is help other people lie about stuff and
Speaker 5: I get to make money. And the institutional investment in
Speaker 5: this company is wild too. Oh yeah, it's like because
Speaker 5: they know they're like wait, how much they make in
Speaker 5: Q one? Okay? Yeah, yeah, but just generally I just.
Speaker 1: Want to like kind of get your take, Emily. There
Speaker 1: was recently this New York Times article about a The
Speaker 1: headline is what a group opposed to police blow the
Speaker 1: whistle on its founder, And it was like this AI
Speaker 1: app that was like, we're gonna re like create an
Speaker 1: alternative to the police by taking people's you know, complaints
Speaker 1: and routing them to like some of these other police alternatives.
Speaker 1: It turned out to be like the founder just like
Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to pull it off and was
Speaker 1: spending some of the money on like clothing and vacations
Speaker 1: that you know, like that I'm drifting. Sure you can
Speaker 1: find scams in any nonprofit like category, but the way
Speaker 1: the New York Times writes about it and like frames
Speaker 1: this article is that whole argument of like, oh, you
Speaker 1: think the police are bad at their jobs, Let's see
Speaker 1: what you say when you're being robbed, is like basically
Speaker 1: the whole thesis of the argument. And what it comes
Speaker 1: down to if you read the article is like one
Speaker 1: person on the team is like, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: turn him over to the police because I, like he's
Speaker 1: a black man and I fear it would happen to him.
Speaker 1: And then another person is like, yeah, but I did
Speaker 1: turn him over to the attorney general because I know that,
Speaker 1: like you don't usually call the police on white collar
Speaker 1: crime because they won't do shit. So anyways, like the
Speaker 1: attorney general is working on investigation. It might be civil,
Speaker 1: it might be criminal, but the way they framed it
Speaker 1: is so much like based on this bad faith reading
Speaker 1: of any criticism of the police. And it just feels
Speaker 1: generally like the tone of the mainstream media and the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party recently is like, boy, those protests in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty were you know, unpopular. Let's never fight again, babe
Speaker 1: to the police, and it's like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just so fucking frustrating. Like and meanwhile, police killings haven't
Speaker 1: have just like stayed the same or gone up, so
Speaker 1: like where where are we with this? Like what you know,
Speaker 1: there were some programs that were funded that like worked
Speaker 1: really well, Like Denver had a controlled trial of a
Speaker 1: program that provides housing subsidies to people at risk of
Speaker 1: homelessness and found a forty percent reduction and arrest. Like
Speaker 1: there's all these cool examples they get like dashed off
Speaker 1: really quickly in a New York Times article that has
Speaker 1: a counterpoint for everything that might suggest that, like there
Speaker 1: could be alternatives to our fucking terrible idea of a
Speaker 1: system that if you've been to any other country in
Speaker 1: the world, you're like, oh, wow, why do we do
Speaker 1: it the way we do it? But yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: curious to hear your thoughts on like where we're at
Speaker 1: in our conversation in the mainstream.
Speaker 7: So first of all, we're really lucky in this one way,
Speaker 7: which is that we are overrun with cool solutions. Like
Speaker 7: I'm writing a book right now, Like my book it's
Speaker 7: coming out in twenty twenty six. It's going to be
Speaker 7: a layperson's guide to the criminal legal system in all
Speaker 7: of its horribleness, and also solutions, Like I'm going to
Speaker 7: two thirds of the book on problems, and then I'm
Speaker 7: going to present a whole bunch of solutions. I had
Speaker 7: originally intended to write one chapter on solutions. I'm now
Speaker 7: at like page eighty eight of one hundred of all
Speaker 7: of these solutions because there are just so many fantastic
Speaker 7: things happening that have better data than the status quo,
Speaker 7: Like we don't have data strongly suggesting that police are
Speaker 7: a feasible preventative mechanism police can disappear problems. They can
Speaker 7: take people and put them in spaces where they are
Speaker 7: no longer visible to the general public, and where they
Speaker 7: may be then violently harmed in ways that make them
Speaker 7: more likely to engage in crime in the future. So
Speaker 7: police may be sort of like temporarily making a problem
Speaker 7: disappear in a way that long term makes it worse.
Speaker 7: We have that data. You have a ton of data
Speaker 7: on the Star program in Denver, or Cahoots in Oregon,
Speaker 7: or you know, other alternatives to police popping up around
Speaker 7: the country. Massive public support for this. Most voters would
Speaker 7: love to have mental health first responders, and actually most cops,
Speaker 7: if you ask them, are like, yes, I would like
Speaker 7: to also no longer be treated like I'm a trained
Speaker 7: social worker, because I'm not one, and I would like
Speaker 7: that to not be part of my job. What's really
Speaker 7: what bugs me about the perspective you just described right,
Speaker 7: which is like, Oh, these people who don't want to
Speaker 7: use the police, what happens when they need the police? Well, okay,
Speaker 7: when we on election day hear from voters that they
Speaker 7: are scared to go to their local polling place because
Speaker 7: there are proud boys outside the polling place intimidating potential voters.
Speaker 7: No one is saying, well, it's your problem. If you
Speaker 7: don't like the Proud Boys, don't you just have a
Speaker 7: way to work at No. We say, okay, this is
Speaker 7: a problem because people have a legitimate fear. It is
Speaker 7: a legitimate fear of an organized effort which is intimidating
Speaker 7: and threatening harm to the general public. And because the
Speaker 7: general public is afraid, we the government should probably take
Speaker 7: action to protect the general public. The blind spot with
Speaker 7: regard to when that organized harmful force is a governmental
Speaker 7: body is obscene. So by blaming people who are like, hey,
Speaker 7: I have I'm nervous about calling the police on my
Speaker 7: black boss, because black men get killed by police at
Speaker 7: ignordinate rates, and also not to mention that subject to
Speaker 7: illegitimate prosecutions and overcharging and charge stacking and longer sentences
Speaker 7: and the incredible damage even of a pretop process. And
Speaker 7: by the way, I'm saying this with great care because
Speaker 7: here's a person who's accused and has not been found
Speaker 7: guilty of anything. So really weighing, hey, do I want
Speaker 7: to subject this person to all of these risks or
Speaker 7: is there a better way for me to seek accountability?
Speaker 7: And truth without those risks of lethality, injustice, ruinousness. That's
Speaker 7: a fantastic thing for an ordinary citizen to be considering
Speaker 7: in any government that doesn't say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 7: going to consider that with you, and I'm going to
Speaker 7: acknowledge that your fears are real and the problems you
Speaker 7: highlight are real and work on these problems to come
Speaker 7: up with something better. Is abrogating its duty to the
Speaker 7: public in favor of the optics of being pro cop.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, the pro cop turn that's happened in
Speaker 5: like the Democratic Party. I mean it's not that they
Speaker 5: were anti but like, just I saw you retweet an
Speaker 5: article or a thread about how the platform changed, because
Speaker 5: I was like, I was definitely looking at a lot
Speaker 5: of the I was really interested in the foreign policy
Speaker 5: stuff that was in the platform, and I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 5: like you just a ton of one eighties here compared
Speaker 5: to twenty twenty, and then reading sort of the excerpts
Speaker 5: on what was happening with policing was also very like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're really embracing this thing about being like, let's not
Speaker 5: talk about the death penalty anymore. Let's I know, we
Speaker 5: were talking about choke holds. Let's like really tamp that down.
Speaker 5: And it really is wild how much it's become because
Speaker 5: I think obviously this whole election is set up to
Speaker 5: be we have a prosecutor and a felon, and so
Speaker 5: because of that framing, we're going to really lean into
Speaker 5: a lot of this, like the like the prosecutorial aspects
Speaker 5: of this and also be make it feel like yeah, man,
Speaker 5: like the we're the cops again and that's it's okay.
Speaker 5: That was just kind of like, I mean, I was
Speaker 5: very cynical in twenty twenty when I saw this sort
Speaker 5: of like uptaking me, like, yeah, we really need to
Speaker 5: do something, and that's the most that will happen. I
Speaker 5: will say that we need to do something. But now
Speaker 5: to see it like really formally stripped out, you're like, oh, right,
Speaker 5: right right, this was never a real concern. But I'm
Speaker 5: how do you sort of perceive that sort of like
Speaker 5: shift now or at least that now that you know,
Speaker 5: even in their written platforms, it's just sort of like, yeah,
Speaker 5: those are those are those are problems, but you know
Speaker 5: we can address them at some point later.
Speaker 7: I mean, the death penalty thing, I really don't get
Speaker 7: because Harris has been against the death penalty for a
Speaker 7: lot of her career, was criticized as ag for upholding
Speaker 7: the law instead of acting on a moral objection that
Speaker 7: she has to death penalty which is super expensive and
Speaker 7: has resulted in the death of a lot of innocent
Speaker 7: people because our system gets it wrong a lot, because
Speaker 7: of things like junk science and bad Eyewinness IDAs and
Speaker 7: insufficient funding of public defense. So let's just like cabin
Speaker 7: This is like, I don't I really don't get the
Speaker 7: Democratic Party stepping away. I'm opposing the death penalty. I
Speaker 7: think polling on it has not changed dramatically, Like Americans
Speaker 7: are not like rabidly pro death penalty now, So I
Speaker 7: really don't get it. But here's what I'll say about
Speaker 7: the prosecutor versus pellent thing. It's being treated as a
Speaker 7: sort of vicious backing a violent force against crime. But
Speaker 7: it doesn't have to be. Prosecutors are unique among lawyers.
Speaker 7: Rarely will you hear me say nice things about prosecutors.
Speaker 7: I'm going to now say some nice things about prosecutors.
Speaker 7: They have an ethical duty to do justice. That is
Speaker 7: a unique ethical duty. No other kind of lawyer has
Speaker 7: that duty. Now, I just got done teaching a course
Speaker 7: to some really talented law students, and in one of
Speaker 7: my exercises, I made half of them be defense layers
Speaker 7: and half of them be prosecutors. And I told the
Speaker 7: prosecutors in a bail argument, you had this unique ethical duty.
Speaker 7: You have to do justice, and not just justice for
Speaker 7: the people who were harmed in a crime or who
Speaker 7: you think of as part of the community. You have
Speaker 7: to do justice for every That includes the accused person
Speaker 7: and their family and their kids and their loved ones,
Speaker 7: that includes everybody. When you talk for the people, you
Speaker 7: represent everybody. And when I told them that their assignment
Speaker 7: would be graded on how well they were able to
Speaker 7: consider everyone's needs safety and justice, they got up there
Speaker 7: on the record and did radically different things than I've
Speaker 7: ever seen a prosecutor do in real life. And largely
Speaker 7: we're thinking of restorative solutions and root causes and like
Speaker 7: how they could heal a community instead of just punishing
Speaker 7: and disappearing a person. If what prosecutor means is somebody
Speaker 7: who is enshrined with governmental authority to do justice for
Speaker 7: everyone in the community, including people who might be opposed
Speaker 7: to that very prosecutor, I think it could actually be
Speaker 7: a very powerful encapsulation of the best version of a leader, right,
Speaker 7: a person who's going to take this seriously and care
Speaker 7: for all of our well being and yes, stand up
Speaker 7: to abuses of people with less power, which is really
Speaker 7: what we would want prosecutors to stand up to the most.
Speaker 7: I think certainly it's not being done that way. I
Speaker 7: think the rhetoric sucks. I think half of Americans have
Speaker 7: had a loved one locked up. I just think that
Speaker 7: the rhetoric doesn't have to change. If it was made smarter.
Speaker 7: In order to be smarter, though, the policy would not
Speaker 7: have to shift towards tough on crime. It would have
Speaker 7: to shift towards evidence based, root cause thinking and solutions
Speaker 7: that shift us towards something better than our shitty status quo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And now it just feels like, now
Speaker 5: let's embrace the status quo and bring it closer and
Speaker 5: closer and closer. But yeah, that's a yeah, such a
Speaker 5: the whole time, I'm like, wow, it Like the thing
Speaker 5: that really makes you think a lot too, is like,
Speaker 5: we have so many people who are prosecutors that ascended politics,
Speaker 5: and that's why, Like when Kantazi Brown Jackson was like
Speaker 5: the first public defender who had sat on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5: I was like, is that true? Oh my god, oh writ.
Speaker 7: Large the federal bench is largely I actually read. I
Speaker 7: wrote a really mean email today, guys like my local representative,
Speaker 7: who I love, is like moving to run for the
Speaker 7: state a different state office, and he endorsed. It's a
Speaker 7: two candidate race. I live in a place with major
Speaker 7: housing issues. There's just not enough housing for people, cost
Speaker 7: of housing or too high. And one of the candidates
Speaker 7: is a housing organizer, a local housing organizer, and the
Speaker 7: other candidate is a prosecutor. Guess who've got the addressment
Speaker 7: the prosecutor? And I wrote them a note being like, like,
Speaker 7: come on, this housing is the issue of our region.
Speaker 7: If you are going to make prosecution once again a
Speaker 7: blind path to power, you at least have to justify
Speaker 7: why you are overlooking someone whose life work is in
Speaker 7: the zone we most need. And the thing that bugs
Speaker 7: me about it the most is that it tells young people.
Speaker 7: I mean, in my work, I work with public defenders
Speaker 7: all over the country, and I help them expand the
Speaker 7: practic their practice and expand what they can offer their clients.
Speaker 7: And I place a lot of new professionals, usually young people,
Speaker 7: into jobs in public defense, and as they start out
Speaker 7: their careers, I'm looking at how they think of their
Speaker 7: career trajectory. They're doing great things, like I'm going to
Speaker 7: learn all about how fucked up America's public systems are,
Speaker 7: and I'm going to carry that knowledge into my own
Speaker 7: change making career.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: But to everybody else, the vast majority of young people,
Speaker 7: future lawyers, who are not like these dedicated, brilliant advocates,
Speaker 7: they think, Okay, I'll be a prosecutor for like two
Speaker 7: years and then I'll get my elected office. If I
Speaker 7: just incarcerate young black men and separate families and crush
Speaker 7: people's dreams and lives and maybe cause a few deaths,
Speaker 7: then I could be a state senter.
Speaker 5: Right. I've been vetted right, and I've done.
Speaker 7: The work right, and it's we shouldn't. We shouldn't make
Speaker 7: change making power reliant on willingness to her mothers.
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