Speaker 1: Herbert from the right hash mctaukee in motion settles in
Speaker 1: a slot right Herbert looking to throw and now shovel
Speaker 1: passes has.
Speaker 2: Haskins Paskins on his horse, twenty to the ten, to
Speaker 2: the five, to the end zone Touchstowe Hudgers Posson Haskins
Speaker 2: with some wolverine magic parking in back to his college
Speaker 2: days when he rushed for twenty touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Under Jim Arbaugh.
Speaker 1: Somebody forgot to tell Justin Herbert his ankle's hurt.
Speaker 4: That was our friend Matt money Smith and our Friendemy
Speaker 4: Danielle Jeremiah on Ky Sr. Yes, the Chargers with a
Speaker 4: second half comeback. Great performance by Justin Herbert puts it away.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a good game. I think at one
Speaker 5: point maybe in the first half. Actually, I texted you,
Speaker 5: this is actually fun.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I didn't think it would be,
Speaker 5: you know, I guess coming off of the dud that
Speaker 5: the Chargers put up last week against Tampa and even
Speaker 5: though Denver wan it didn't look great against Indianapolis Boeniques
Speaker 5: had a tough performance. So I was a little bit
Speaker 5: underwhelmed headed into this. But I mean, you know, Stefan voice,
Speaker 5: this game had everything. It even had a free kick,
Speaker 5: which I feel like we could spend They're all thirty
Speaker 5: minutes just talking about that.
Speaker 4: Yes we should, and we will get to that. And
Speaker 4: as great a topic it was for Blue Sky and
Speaker 4: just a bizarre moment. It was the first free kick
Speaker 4: since nineteen seventy six, so most of the people listening
Speaker 4: and watching were not alive for the last one.
Speaker 3: It actually was a key moment of the game.
Speaker 4: Kind of a mistake by Sean Payton gave the Chargers
Speaker 4: a chance for that free kick, and then a penalty
Speaker 4: did as well. We'll get into that more, but that
Speaker 4: was three free points right before halftime. That absolutely made
Speaker 4: a difference. But I think we just have to start
Speaker 4: with our guy Herbo because we thought he came into
Speaker 4: this game with an ankle injury. I'm sure he did,
Speaker 4: but his legs were a huge part of the story.
Speaker 4: Before he took about negative twenty yards during that weird
Speaker 4: final sequence where they're trying to run out the clock,
Speaker 4: he had over forty five yards rushing and really key
Speaker 4: moments of the game, and his mobility on some of
Speaker 4: the throws he made just reminded us of why we
Speaker 4: love Justin Herbert. And not to get too weird about it,
Speaker 4: but it's like one team had a great quarterback having
Speaker 4: one of the best games of his season and the
Speaker 4: other team had a rookie quarterback, and it really did
Speaker 4: feel like a difference on a night where these two
Speaker 4: teams look pretty even.
Speaker 5: Otherwise, Yeah, it impacted how the two coaches approached the game,
Speaker 5: and we can get to the fourth down decision at
Speaker 5: the end, but overall, was a very conservative game plan
Speaker 5: for Denver, unsurprisingly that's how they've approached a lot of
Speaker 5: the season. But so many throws behind the line of
Speaker 5: scrimmage in this one for bo Nicks, whereas with the Chargers,
Speaker 5: you know, they I think at one point had a
Speaker 5: play action rate of almost sixty percent, which I love
Speaker 5: because they kind of it was like Greg Roman was like, wait,
Speaker 5: I don't have to run the ball. I can just
Speaker 5: keep calling play action over and over and over. And
Speaker 5: it was working. But it was also working, Greg, not
Speaker 5: because the linebackers were full. There was a point in
Speaker 5: this game, not even like pretty early the second half,
Speaker 5: where the Denver defense was clearly like they were like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's not getting this off. But Herbert was using that
Speaker 5: mobility you talked about to evade the rush on play action,
Speaker 5: including on the final touchdown. Like a lot of those
Speaker 5: play action passes were not him in a NIXE and
Speaker 5: pristine pocket. It was him evading pressure as he so
Speaker 5: often does and getting off really difficult passes.
Speaker 4: Yeah thought, I thought his health, his relative mobility ended
Speaker 4: up being such a huge part of this game because
Speaker 4: the Broncos ended up only pressuring him on thirty percent
Speaker 4: of their dropbacks.
Speaker 3: They only blitz them.
Speaker 4: According to next Gens, that's twenty seven zero point eight percent,
Speaker 4: and that's because when they did blitz him, sometimes you're
Speaker 4: playing into his hands, and that happened in their first meeting,
Speaker 4: where it was more long, slow drives. But he's so
Speaker 4: smart and they're well coached. And he went six for
Speaker 4: six for over one hundred yards against the Blitz and
Speaker 4: it made Vance Joseph back off for a lot of
Speaker 4: the game, and I thought the pass protection really hold
Speaker 4: held up. This was a great game for the Chargers
Speaker 4: offensive line, which to me has been up and down.
Speaker 4: It's been flat out bad in the running game, and
Speaker 4: it wasn't rate tonight, and they didn't try to run
Speaker 4: that much, but they at least did what they did
Speaker 4: earlier in the season where they popped one big one
Speaker 4: late with Gus Edwards, and they really protected Herbert well
Speaker 4: when it was four man rushes, and for the most part,
Speaker 4: he did find enough open receivers. We got our guy
Speaker 4: lad going crazy. Josh Palmer made a couple of plays
Speaker 4: and they made an eleven point comeback. They were down
Speaker 4: twenty four to thirteen in this game. That was not
Speaker 4: a game that the Chargers would have won, I think
Speaker 4: at any other point in the Justin Herbert era.
Speaker 5: The receiving chart for both of these teams is hilarious
Speaker 5: because I think you and I both follow the NFL
Speaker 5: pretty closely. You host an NFL daily podcast. There's guys
Speaker 5: I haven't heard of hand up on both these teams,
Speaker 5: like who we're catching passes, Tucker Fisk anyone the Chargers?
Speaker 3: Did you know?
Speaker 5: Was that A I'm not. I just just don't spart
Speaker 5: by this point, I'm aware of And these are.
Speaker 4: Guys that we learned in like the last two weeks
Speaker 4: basically where they've had to come up, which is true
Speaker 4: of this team, like on both sides all it's a
Speaker 4: little while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, neither side I thought had a real edge in terms.
Speaker 5: I mean, Broncos have Courtland Sutton, who's very different style
Speaker 5: of player from lad McConkey. I would maybe put them
Speaker 5: have them comparable in terms of like usefulness though obviously
Speaker 5: very different players. But beyond that it's been flimpickens for
Speaker 5: both of these guys. I do want to go back
Speaker 5: to the Herbert playmaking and mobility thing though, because you know,
Speaker 5: I've always really been a huge fan of Herbert's games game.
Speaker 5: Pardon me, I am a Herbert defender. Even during the
Speaker 5: Great Herbert two Awars of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Not everyone survived.
Speaker 5: There's some bodies, but even I missed my love for
Speaker 5: his game. While I always believed in him and his
Speaker 5: unbelievable talent and his processing. As you said, watching him
Speaker 5: at some point it feels like you're like watching a
Speaker 5: football terminator, going like what four boom boom boom. There
Speaker 5: have been moments and I felt this way at times
Speaker 5: last year, like where I just wanted him to go
Speaker 5: into fit mode and be a bit more of a
Speaker 5: playmaker because he's such an incredible athlete. He's gigantic and
Speaker 5: he's fast, and that's one thing I really just loved
Speaker 5: about this performance of his is I feel like this
Speaker 5: is the Herbert that maybe some of us have been
Speaker 5: waiting for for a while.
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a good call because the situation of the game,
Speaker 4: how much they needed it, and we can finish with
Speaker 4: all the playoff probabilities, but the Broncos missed the chance
Speaker 4: to clinch their playoffs and they could be sweating out
Speaker 4: depending on some other results, and the Chargers are now
Speaker 4: really in the driver's seat. They only need one more
Speaker 4: win or potentially even could get in this weekend if
Speaker 4: they get a bunch of losses. I totally agree, because
Speaker 4: they're trailing in this game and the passing game is okay,
Speaker 4: but it's a little erratic and it felt a little
Speaker 4: Mahomes that he ran when he absolutely needed to run,
Speaker 4: and they got fortunate. They had a couple penalties, one
Speaker 4: on a late hit on Herbert, but that was after
Speaker 4: he ran. If I'm I'm right, Yeah, sometimes that happens,
Speaker 4: so he helped force that, and then another on just
Speaker 4: a horse collar on what would have been a sack,
Speaker 4: which was a big play in this game.
Speaker 3: But he absolutely went into fit mode.
Speaker 4: Let's actually listen to our friend Matt money Smith again
Speaker 4: on the go ahead touchdown.
Speaker 6: Edwards in the backfield, Darius Davis in motion Herbert to throw.
Speaker 7: Pump fakes s out of the enzode pot touchdown shotgers
Speaker 7: sterious Davis a whole shot from justin herbert left sideline
Speaker 7: of the episode twenty yards.
Speaker 3: Oh that was so sweet?
Speaker 4: Can you I just want to hear Mina Kaimes Cook
Speaker 4: on that play because that that was kind of the
Speaker 4: play that put this game over the top for him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was supposed to be mesh concept. I think
Speaker 5: McConkey was running because they had hit him on the
Speaker 5: overs and the crosses a couple of times, and immediate
Speaker 5: pressure forces Herbert off of his spot, so he's rolling left.
Speaker 5: And this is so important to emphasize the difficulty, the
Speaker 5: physical difficulty of what he did, going full speed to
Speaker 5: his left with a defender bearing down on him, sort
Speaker 5: of half flipping his hips and then hitting that whole shot.
Speaker 5: A tear drop of a throw, a perfect pass over
Speaker 5: another defender. That is like a point zero zero zero
Speaker 5: five level of difficulty throw. I was so glad they
Speaker 5: showed it from the end zone view immediately after, because
Speaker 5: you kind of you could see that right when it happened,
Speaker 5: but you, as with so many Herbert throws, you really
Speaker 5: have to see the end zone view to appreciate how
Speaker 5: difficult it is what he does, and it was unbelievable.
Speaker 5: That's one of the best throws. I mean, I've seen
Speaker 5: him make him know, he's made some of the craziest
Speaker 5: throws of the last five years, but I would put
Speaker 5: that up there with a lot of his best throws.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and considering the situation, this has been one of
Speaker 4: the best. Yeah, that was one of the I think
Speaker 4: that was the biggest play of the game. I think
Speaker 4: this was the biggest moment of their season thus far.
Speaker 4: To me, as I wouldn't call myself a Chargers fan,
Speaker 4: but I went from Philip Rivers to Justin Herbert. I'm
Speaker 4: always kind of pulling for them as kind of one
Speaker 4: of my teams. This felt like a game they wouldn't
Speaker 4: have won in the past, and the first real moment
Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, it's different. They're building something in
Speaker 4: the Jim Harbot Chargers are just a little different. It's
Speaker 4: only their second win against the winning team, and the
Speaker 4: only other one was against Denver. These two teams have
Speaker 4: been scheduled merchants. They were combined two and ten. I
Speaker 4: saw the Amazon graphic against winning teams, which is crazy,
Speaker 4: and now it's three and eleven, I guess, and two
Speaker 4: of those are against each other, so I know they
Speaker 4: have more to do. But I just think there was
Speaker 4: like a toughness and an intelligence to the play calling
Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball because you mentioned not
Speaker 4: knowing the receivers and both these offensive coaches are great,
Speaker 4: but one of them has Justin Herbert to work with
Speaker 4: in the other has a rookie quarterback who's working through it.
Speaker 4: What do you think about bo Nix's performance, because it's funny.
Speaker 4: It's such a perfect example of box score scouting because
Speaker 4: their lines are very similar. You know, Knicks threw nine
Speaker 4: more passes for less yards, twenty nine for forty, but
Speaker 4: he has two touchdowns. Like you know, if you care
Speaker 4: about quarterback rating and completion percentage, he's off the charts
Speaker 4: with that tonight. And Herbert was similar, except he's the
Speaker 4: one that actually made the one big mistake in the game.
Speaker 4: He had an interception when they were trying to go
Speaker 4: score and it was a great, great defensive play. But
Speaker 4: he ends up with two hundred and eighty four and
Speaker 4: two touchdowns. So I thought Nicks it was a conservative
Speaker 4: game plan, Like, how did you think though he played
Speaker 4: within that game plan and beyond it.
Speaker 5: You know, in the first half there was a point
Speaker 5: where I think when they were up twenty one points,
Speaker 5: and I posted this on Bluska, he had something like
Speaker 5: two point one air yards per attempt, right, And I
Speaker 5: guess I didn't mean that as Nick Slander. Actually meant
Speaker 5: it as a too complimentary of the Broncos offense, because
Speaker 5: at that point, greg I was feeling like, certainly that
Speaker 5: the Broncos were in control, but I also felt like
Speaker 5: Sean Payton was calling a hell of a game. I
Speaker 5: mean that first drive, they just ran it down their throats,
Speaker 5: which has been a vulnerability for this Chargers defense their
Speaker 5: worst defensive performances. I've been against teams that could run
Speaker 5: the ball well against Tampa recently, Baltimore, two very good
Speaker 5: rushing teams come to mind, and Denver's been, you know
Speaker 5: a little bit up and down the run game. But
Speaker 5: at that point, I thought, oh, okay, they're kind of
Speaker 5: following the formula for that, and I thought mc nicks.
Speaker 5: He didn't make any super high degree of difficulty throws,
Speaker 5: but as he has all year, he made some good
Speaker 5: throws on the move. That's definitely when he's best. Peyton
Speaker 5: leans into that. He made good decisions. There were a
Speaker 5: couple times in the first half where he turned down
Speaker 5: covered throws and I thought it was the right call,
Speaker 5: and you had checked downs and swing passes that were
Speaker 5: going for significant yardage. The Mims swing, I think was
Speaker 5: the one where it was a great play call from
Speaker 5: Peyton where he came across in motion I think went
Speaker 5: for like fifty plus yards or whatever.
Speaker 4: But fifty four and that was such a like typical sequence.
Speaker 4: They had just picked up a third and long on
Speaker 4: a dump off. Like their third and long's or third
Speaker 4: and mediums were so easy for them against this Chargers defense,
Speaker 4: which is short a number of players.
Speaker 5: And then I think what happened in the second half,
Speaker 5: there was a few things. I do think they kind
Speaker 5: of abandoned the run a little bit at times, particularly
Speaker 5: in the third quarter. I thought Mentor started turning up
Speaker 5: the heat, and that's when you kind of saw a
Speaker 5: little bit more of the rookie come out some you know, hesitation,
Speaker 5: a couple of misses here and there, and those are
Speaker 5: the moments when a veteran quarterback of certainly one of
Speaker 5: Herbert's caliber, can kind of make the plays rather than
Speaker 5: just executing the offense. And he wasn't able to do that.
Speaker 5: But as we've said, he's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 4: Now are we being like twenty six percent nicer because
Speaker 4: we're so fearful of Broncos Twitter, I mean, Bronco's blue Sky.
Speaker 4: I think they're fine, that they're cool. But yeah, the
Speaker 4: bow Knick's brigade is gonna calm down a little bit
Speaker 4: after the last couple of weeks, just because I think
Speaker 4: last week was his worst game since September, maybe his
Speaker 4: worst game of the season, and tonight he was fine,
Speaker 4: but he just they needed more. And you're absolutely right
Speaker 4: to point out that he's throwing the ball to Lucas
Speaker 4: Kroll and who was Watson? You're right, there were some
Speaker 4: crazy name Nate Atkins, like, yeah, there was. He's not
Speaker 4: playing with a full deck either, So it.
Speaker 5: Was like a lot of sure, another Broncos running back.
Speaker 5: They have like five hundred running backs, are sorry Blake Watson?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the guy I was thinking, Blake Watson,
Speaker 4: who was doing a little bit of full back, a
Speaker 4: little bit of running back, and tonight was a reminder
Speaker 4: to me that their offense, while efficient, is not good.
Speaker 3: Enough to.
Speaker 4: Totally expose a beliee Like what is a really banged
Speaker 4: up in Beliaguered Chargers defense, I think is vulnerable and
Speaker 4: you saw that in the first half. They were pretty
Speaker 4: dominant in the first half. I'm I'm pretty shocked that
Speaker 4: they only ended up with twenty seven points in this
Speaker 4: game the way that it started.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if like if they'd, like say,
Speaker 5: they had to run the ball more, and maybe if
Speaker 5: Nick had hit on a couple of throws, I don't
Speaker 5: know if the result would have been that different because
Speaker 5: justin Herbert just kind of went into terminator mode.
Speaker 3: In the second half, but.
Speaker 5: I didn't come out of this just go to your
Speaker 5: mo next question, whether I didn't come out of this
Speaker 5: with like a reduced opinion of him. I just kind
Speaker 5: of felt like Water is fighting his level a little
Speaker 5: bit in terms of him being a rookie and being
Speaker 5: one who has you know, executed this offense competently. But
Speaker 5: if you're gonna let me put it this way, as
Speaker 5: we sort of turn our eyes towards the playoffs, I
Speaker 5: don't have an expectation that he is going to have
Speaker 5: some kind of a linear progression to ascent to new heights.
Speaker 5: I think that would have to come probably the following season.
Speaker 3: Right, And.
Speaker 4: This performance was a very typical bonnickx perfo Orman's The
Speaker 4: biggest difference between this year's Broncos and last year's Broncos
Speaker 4: Who was it that sent that tweet out? In terms
Speaker 4: of their offensive stats were so similar as last year?
Speaker 3: Who was that? Do you remember?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw the post you're talking about Ian Harte?
Speaker 3: Ian Hartee.
Speaker 4: I always wanted to give him credit. The offensive numbers
Speaker 4: were so similar. The difference is the defense has been
Speaker 4: fantastic this year, and it just wasn't tonight.
Speaker 3: They weren't consistent enough.
Speaker 4: They they're thinner in the secondary, you know they you
Speaker 4: have certain but without their starting combination, their thinner in
Speaker 4: the secondary, and the Chargers were able to take advantage
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 9: More.
Speaker 4: Should we talk a little about the free kick, because yeah,
Speaker 4: this is wild stuff. It really reminded me of the
Speaker 4: Doug Flutey drop kick, which I happened to be watching live,
Speaker 4: so I remember it well, but not much of you know,
Speaker 4: America was because it was a week eight seventeen game
Speaker 4: for a Patriots team that wasn't playing for anything because
Speaker 4: they had already clinched everything, and it was late in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter at like a one pm game. This
Speaker 4: was this was prime time and it was the first thing,
Speaker 4: you know, in a meaningful game. It helped swing the game,
Speaker 4: and it was the first time most of us have
Speaker 4: ever seen anything like it.
Speaker 3: What was the experience like for you?
Speaker 5: I was shocked when they approach the possibility. I was like,
Speaker 5: I can't what, Like, I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 5: Where I want to remember where I was in this
Speaker 5: moment to see history being made. I was relieved that
Speaker 5: it was Dicker, who's a really good kicker, right because
Speaker 5: it introduced the possibility to actually make it because it
Speaker 5: was fifty seven yards correct, So it's not a very
Speaker 5: difficult kick.
Speaker 4: And you don't practice that as a kicker, so it
Speaker 4: didn'tn't just feel weird that there's no one in front
Speaker 4: of you. I guess I should set up what a
Speaker 4: free kick even is, because I had to go back
Speaker 4: to school.
Speaker 3: To it on the you know, when and when someone
Speaker 3: punts the ball, when you call for a fair catch.
Speaker 4: Or if there's a penalty, which was in this case
Speaker 4: where they didn't allow you to have the fair catch,
Speaker 4: you have the option to kick the ball, and you
Speaker 4: could drop kick it as well, but you know that's
Speaker 4: not a thing that happens anymore. You have the option
Speaker 4: to kick the ball with no field goal blocking team
Speaker 4: trying to stop you. They have to be ten yards away. Now,
Speaker 4: in theory, you could do that anytime of the game
Speaker 4: that you want. You could do it on first down
Speaker 4: early in the game, but it would make no sense.
Speaker 4: So it really only comes up in situations on the
Speaker 4: last play of the half or right at the end
Speaker 4: of the half. And the Broncos had some weird play
Speaker 4: calling where they weren't really trying to score at the
Speaker 4: end of the second quarter, and they certainly weren't thinking
Speaker 4: about this scenario. And then they threw and they had
Speaker 4: an incomplete and Harbass smartly took a time out to
Speaker 4: possibly set up this punt return. I don't know if
Speaker 4: he was thinking about the free kick, but suddenly the
Speaker 4: Broncos are punting, and even as it's happening, I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 4: this is a free kick chance, but they're going to
Speaker 4: be way back. It would be like a sixty five
Speaker 4: seventy yard kick. It ends up being a penalty on
Speaker 4: the Broncos. It sets Dicker up. Let's listen once again
Speaker 4: to Matt mndy Smith.
Speaker 1: This is wild right on top of the bolt logo.
Speaker 1: You got to cover it right, So Dicker for three man,
Speaker 1: this kick is up and it is good.
Speaker 10: A free kick field goal camp Dicker from fifty seven yards.
Speaker 10: All of his teammates rush the field to celebrate. Eight
Speaker 10: seconds left on a punt and the Chargers get three
Speaker 10: out of it.
Speaker 3: Man, that was good from seventy or so. I mean,
Speaker 3: that was worth there, dude.
Speaker 5: I feel like I know he's been He's probably an
Speaker 5: All Pro last year. I can't remember who was first
Speaker 5: team in sexteen, but I feel like all his kicks
Speaker 5: are always like split the middle too. He's like very
Speaker 5: directionally accurate. He also was I didn't notice this in
Speaker 5: the moment because I was immediately taking to social media.
Speaker 5: He was really chill about it. I'd be losing my mind,
Speaker 5: Like that's NFL history as a kicker, do you even
Speaker 5: consider that possibility? Does it even something you think might
Speaker 5: happen to you? The other thing, I so while I
Speaker 5: was while this happened, I was on the Wikipedia page
Speaker 5: for the very catch row because I just like to
Speaker 5: revisit the history of it, and Curly Lambeau looks identical
Speaker 5: to lad with Honki. Oh wow, yeah, pull that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4: The record for the longest free kick previously was by
Speaker 4: Paul Horning, which you know, not many people may know
Speaker 4: Paul Horning's name, but he was probably the biggest star
Speaker 4: in the history of the NFL at the time that
Speaker 4: he played. He won the Heisman and was the best
Speaker 4: player in the league. Vincelbardi famously said he's the best
Speaker 4: player ever. He would have been the equivalent of if
Speaker 4: Tim Tebow actually was the best player in the NFL.
Speaker 4: That was Paul Hornig. I mean, what a guy that
Speaker 4: he kicked a fifty two yard field go back then,
Speaker 4: I mean, adjusting for inflation, that's like seventy five. That's outrageous.
Speaker 4: And he was leading the league in touchdowns at the
Speaker 4: time too. But for for it to happen, it really
Speaker 4: touched like a football dork bone for a lot of us.
Speaker 4: And you could hear it with DJ Daniel Jeremiah was
Speaker 4: just laughing with absolute glee.
Speaker 3: That's how I felt too.
Speaker 5: Yeah I didn't. I didn't know it was a kicker.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was what made him crazy, Like he
Speaker 4: would lead the league in points every year because he
Speaker 4: was a badass kicker and would score all their touchdowns
Speaker 4: even if he had like a vaguely disappointing career, even
Speaker 4: though he was a Hall of Famer. It was like
Speaker 4: one of those where like people thought he'd be the
Speaker 4: gress anyway. So I will absolutely shut up. Now, what
Speaker 4: do you think about the Chargers moving forward? They finished
Speaker 4: with a couple easy games on paper. They're in Foxborough,
Speaker 4: not a total gimme, but you know they should win that,
Speaker 4: and then they're in Las Vegas for the last game.
Speaker 4: They only need to win one of those two games
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs, and because of the tiebreaker, now
Speaker 4: they're in a good position to possibly be ahead of
Speaker 4: Denver for the sixth seed, which we have to see
Speaker 4: how it all plays out. But that might mean you
Speaker 4: avoid Buffalo. That would be you know nice, I think
Speaker 4: you would want to play for that. Do you think
Speaker 4: they have like enough because you talked about not knowing
Speaker 4: some of the pass catchers, what about this secondary? Like,
Speaker 4: what about this defense? It's pretty wild who they're putting
Speaker 4: out there right now.
Speaker 5: I really don't like them against teams that can run
Speaker 5: the football like Buffalo at Baltimore can. But when you
Speaker 5: throw those out, you're looking at a lot of teams.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Kansasy is an efficient running game, if
Speaker 5: you know at that point. But Denver JA saw Pittsburgh, Houston.
Speaker 5: I think he shot in all three of those games.
Speaker 5: I mean that, you know, just structurally, think like, again,
Speaker 5: you're this game reminded you like, if you have one
Speaker 5: of those dudes, you can win any game. That sounds
Speaker 5: like such a simplistic reduction of what we just saw
Speaker 5: so much happen, But it's true.
Speaker 3: So it's true. It is true.
Speaker 4: Happened, and a good coaching staff because he has been
Speaker 4: that dude before and he's not always been healthy.
Speaker 3: But I think that's held him back.
Speaker 4: And even though the Chargers defense is on a downward
Speaker 4: slope and we had a disagreement before the season, we
Speaker 4: put it on the line of whether they would finish
Speaker 4: top twenty in DVOA, they will fall further. They are
Speaker 4: about ninth going into this game. They'll they'll fall down
Speaker 4: to like eleventh or whatever. But they're fine, but they're
Speaker 4: they're getting worse. There was a point in this game
Speaker 4: where they had a dime package out there with First
Speaker 4: of all, Tony Tony Jefferson is is like a stone
Speaker 4: cold starter at this point.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 4: He was out of football last year. He was in
Speaker 4: the Ravens scouting department. Marcus May just joined the team
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and then they lost him.
Speaker 4: During this game, I'm here thinking, man, they really miss
Speaker 4: Elijah Molden, who was good for them. But it's like
Speaker 4: when you're really missing him, they miss Alohi Gilman, and
Speaker 4: they were playing a guy named Kendall Williamson at safety.
Speaker 4: They're just playing players that have barely played at the
Speaker 4: NFL level.
Speaker 3: Who was the other one? Leonard DeAndre Leonard?
Speaker 5: Who Yane Leonard? He was he really struggled last year.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 5: Well, he's been and he's bounced around the league for
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 3: But right so it's it's kind of a ragtag group.
Speaker 4: And then I'm being a little bit of a homer
Speaker 4: here in terms of like getting more frustrated with the
Speaker 4: Chargers than I maybe would another team.
Speaker 3: But Joey Bosa.
Speaker 4: Has not been healthy apparently all year and has not
Speaker 4: helped them, although in this game he did make a
Speaker 4: few plays.
Speaker 3: Give him credit for that.
Speaker 4: But Bosa and Mack have not been great towards the
Speaker 4: end of the year. They've been running right at Khalil
Speaker 4: Mack last couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a rag tag unit for sure. I didn't
Speaker 5: know Marcus May was on the Chargers. That's why I
Speaker 5: was like, Marcus May when you mentioned that he ran
Speaker 5: in He says he was cleaned off waivers on November
Speaker 5: twenty seventh.
Speaker 4: I think he got a game ball in his first
Speaker 4: game as a as a Charger because he got you
Speaker 4: gotta pick in that game.
Speaker 5: It's great, super quick twenty second Marcus May story. I
Speaker 5: said next to him on a plane once I was
Speaker 5: across country flight, talked a lot of ball. He was
Speaker 5: really awesome, and he was back on the jets at
Speaker 5: the time because he was like a third round pick, right, heerarquically.
Speaker 5: He was usually hi and oh thirty ninth overall, okay,
Speaker 5: sickon round and Well, while we're on the plane, an
Speaker 5: elderly woman who went to Florida was singing in front
Speaker 5: of us and passed him a note. We just saw
Speaker 5: like a hand come through the seat and had a
Speaker 5: piece of paper and when he opened it, he looked
Speaker 5: so profoundly uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: And he looked at me.
Speaker 5: He was like, I don't know what to do with this. Anyways,
Speaker 5: I think about that every time.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to know, but did you ask what
Speaker 3: was in the note?
Speaker 5: I think it was solicitous.
Speaker 3: That is awesome. I mean, that is a wild story.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad Marcus May came up on this podcast
Speaker 4: just so you could tell that story.
Speaker 3: Did you know that? Did he know who you were?
Speaker 5: I came up in our conversation because I think I
Speaker 5: was going to actually ESPN, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 5: you were at ESPN, And we started talking about a
Speaker 5: couple of stuff.
Speaker 3: He was great, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: The Broncos, by the way, just like stepping back a minute,
Speaker 4: have a much more realistic scenario that the percentages would
Speaker 4: say they're pretty safe to make the playoffs. And yet
Speaker 4: when it comes to this stuff, I think how I
Speaker 4: would think as a fan, and I would suddenly be worried.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the next gen stats. They're back to
Speaker 4: the seven seed. They're at eighty five percent. That sounds great,
Speaker 4: but if they lose out, If they lose out, they
Speaker 4: have They have the Bengals next week, and I am
Speaker 4: definitely trusting the Brons over the Bengals. But it's in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: It's Joe Burrow in a big spot. Like, the Bengals
Speaker 4: are watching this game and they're loving this. If they
Speaker 4: can beat the Browns this week and then they beat
Speaker 4: the Broncos, if nothing else, they get to Week eighteen
Speaker 4: playing meaningful football, which I think as a Bengals fan,
Speaker 4: that's a win. The Broncos are playing the Chiefs in
Speaker 4: Week eighteen. The Chiefs could very well be playing for
Speaker 4: the number one seed. They could not either, depending on
Speaker 4: what happens in between against the Texans and the Ravens,
Speaker 4: and then you could see Denver fall the way out.
Speaker 4: And perhaps the most annoying scenario for the Bengals would
Speaker 4: be they actually do win out, and it's not going
Speaker 4: to be easy for them. They play Pittsburgh final week,
Speaker 4: It's going to be pretty tough for the Bengals to
Speaker 4: get through. But they could win out and actually it'd
Speaker 4: be the Colts who sneak in at nine to eight.
Speaker 4: I've done all the scenarios. If the Colts tie there,
Speaker 4: the Colts would actually be the one who get in
Speaker 4: over the Broncos. And the Colts have the easiest schedule
Speaker 4: possible over the last three weeks. So I do think
Speaker 4: this result kind of opened it up just a little bit,
Speaker 4: and the Dolphins are also happy.
Speaker 5: Just I guess the tricky thing with the Bills and
Speaker 5: the Chiefs is if the Chiefs win sixteen seventeen, they
Speaker 5: have nothing to play for in week eighteen, so then Bronco. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so that would be tough for the Bengals.
Speaker 4: There's a lot though, as you know, I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to just be a company man, but usually this time
Speaker 4: of year it's not just about me loving Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4: I do want the games like I wanted the Colts
Speaker 4: to win last week too, because whatever can give us
Speaker 4: the most meaningful games so that the games aren't dead
Speaker 4: down the stretch, all right, I meana before we let
Speaker 4: you go, Look, it's been a long day. When I
Speaker 4: was driving in at Sofi Stadium earlier today, the Broncos
Speaker 4: buses were right in front of me with the police escort.
Speaker 4: And we actually have some sound from some other gentlemen
Speaker 4: still in so Fi Stadium's listen, all right.
Speaker 11: I'm here with the voice of the Chargers, Matt body Smith,
Speaker 11: Greg Mina. Hope you guys are well money.
Speaker 9: Big takeaway from the game.
Speaker 6: Big takeaway is the first time they faced adversity and
Speaker 6: we wanted to see him answer the bell. A lot
Speaker 6: of people saying they couldn't win a big game. They
Speaker 6: had only been teams with losing wrecords. They come out
Speaker 6: in the second half, shut out the Broncos offense, and
Speaker 6: justin Herbert goes to town.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I thought, Herbert, you know, just kind of took the
Speaker 11: game over. I wrote it down. The run he had
Speaker 11: in the third quarter, it could have slid, stays up,
Speaker 11: gets the first down. Then you have him extending plays
Speaker 11: to Darius Davis for a touchdown, extending plays on the
Speaker 11: little flip to Hassan Haskins and then the run he
Speaker 11: had on third down with third and eleven or something like.
Speaker 3: That, and he takes off and gets first down as well.
Speaker 6: Ten different receivers. Darius Davis first career touchdown, Hassan Haskins
Speaker 6: first career rushing receiving touchdown, Hayden Hurst hadn't played since
Speaker 6: November tenth, and he gets a huge third down touch.
Speaker 6: He just spread it around. He did what Justin Herbert does,
Speaker 6: you know, he just he finds the open man and
Speaker 6: it worked.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sometimes you have to have someone carry the load.
Speaker 3: Mina, you know what I'm talking about. Uh, it's it's
Speaker 3: just what you gotta do.
Speaker 11: You got to step up and you got to cover
Speaker 11: up some of the sins of the others that may
Speaker 11: be sitting next to you.
Speaker 1: And that's you me.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, that's just Mena with Gray.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 6: No, we're no, I took, I took.
Speaker 11: We're on a different thing.
Speaker 12: This is more of an equal level.
Speaker 6: Partner, Okay, perfect, not what's going on with so I
Speaker 6: look a little taller.
Speaker 9: There we go.
Speaker 12: That's better, all right, all.
Speaker 11: Right, let's lean up the booth. We don't want Maurice
Speaker 11: to get mad at it.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 11: Yeah, all right, Hey see you guys.
Speaker 3: Thank you to Daniel, Jeremiah and Matt money Smith.
Speaker 4: Yes, you gotta, you gotta check out the show on
Speaker 4: YouTube so you can just see how young all that
Speaker 4: surfing at five am every morning is keeping Matt money Smith.
Speaker 3: I don't know how he doesn't.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they wasted so much time, you know,
Speaker 4: until the point where Jeremiah took a shot at me,
Speaker 4: it just all felt like, you know, four player or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I feel like, yeah, we they kind of
Speaker 5: sae takeaways as us, which makes me feel good.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mina, you've been very kind to join us tonight.
Speaker 4: It is Mina Kime season. I know you don't want
Speaker 4: me to talk too nice about you, but you were
Speaker 4: on the Simpsons outcast, which changed the game in my house.
Speaker 4: Walker's watching Simpsons all the time now that the allcast
Speaker 4: actually got him more onto the Simpsons.
Speaker 3: He loved it.
Speaker 4: And obviously you got the Mina Time show featuring Lenny.
Speaker 4: It's almost annoying. You're getting better and better as a
Speaker 4: podcaster or not that you weren't always great, but I'm
Speaker 4: always thinking like, damn, she's always improving. And then NFL
Speaker 4: Live and then you're going to be on Netflix, which
Speaker 4: is really cool on Christmas, Like, how excited are you
Speaker 4: about that? And you're coming on this show and like
Speaker 4: a million other Friends shows this week. You can say, no, Mina,
Speaker 4: but you are that kind of friend. I appreciate that I.
Speaker 5: Sell Chargers Broncos on the schedule, and I thought that's
Speaker 5: the game for me. Interesting brought me on before the
Speaker 5: Seahawks game, by the way, which might be it might
Speaker 5: be kind of over by then, but uh yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I'm excited for Christmas, the Christmas games, especially now that
Speaker 5: you know Mahomes is healthy. It's really fascinating because they're
Speaker 5: they're flipping right there. They're playing on Saturday and they're
Speaker 5: just flipping opponents, which I love as an analyst, just
Speaker 5: because it makes my life a lot easier. Last the
Speaker 5: two games and you get, you know, a few days
Speaker 5: to think about it, but I'm really pumped. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's it is like a legitimately great slate of games
Speaker 5: with Raven Sextans and Chief Dealers. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 3: And it's cool. I think it's a cool opportunity because.
Speaker 4: I came up thinking in this business, like what it
Speaker 4: would be great to have some non players up there
Speaker 4: just as analysts. We basically only see non players as
Speaker 4: reporters or as play by play guys or whatever. And
Speaker 4: I think it's awesome that in a spot like a
Speaker 4: freaking Christmas Day game, which those will be, you know,
Speaker 4: among the most watched games of the year, that ner
Speaker 4: that you're don't be nervous. It's not about that like
Speaker 4: you've already done it, you've already done all the work,
Speaker 4: but that you're you're out here repin. You're out here
Speaker 4: reppin for the analysts, and you're you're gonna be awesome
Speaker 4: because you do such a good job.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I appreciate it. I hope people enjoy NBS much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: Mina chimes before we're quite done with the recap, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I should have mentioned this. This show is going to
Speaker 4: be a little different. I'm really excited. We have an
Speaker 4: interview with Rams running back Kyron Williams after the break.
Speaker 4: We taped it a little earlier in the week with
Speaker 4: Jordan Rodrieg of the Athletic It's a really great interview,
Speaker 4: so so stay for that. But before the game, we
Speaker 4: pulled some fans. We were outside Sofi Stadium to find
Speaker 4: out who would have a big game tonight. In this
Speaker 4: edition of Who Will Deliver presented by Uber Eats, where
Speaker 4: you can get the best deals on game day food
Speaker 4: all season long.
Speaker 3: Let's see if the fans were right.
Speaker 2: River's gonna have a good connection with Ladd McConkey tonight.
Speaker 12: I think the scores twenty seven twenty Chargers come out
Speaker 12: on top of all the.
Speaker 7: Khlil Mack two sacks today and I got Lad mcconkee.
Speaker 3: For one TD in the third quarter.
Speaker 7: Broncos are gonna be on the thirty five and hit
Speaker 7: a d ball to Marvin Mims sixty five yard touchdown.
Speaker 12: Lad McConkie tim reception is for one P thirty two.
Speaker 3: Bone Nicks going for three passing touchdown. Man, I think
Speaker 3: that bone Knicks is coming in hot, dude. He has
Speaker 3: what it takes, has the poise today against Denver, Herbert's
Speaker 3: gonna shine like amazing.
Speaker 11: He's coming back for the finish and we're gonna be
Speaker 11: cheering him on the whole freaking game.
Speaker 3: So everybody what do you think chargers?
Speaker 4: All right, that was Who Will Deliver, presented by Uber Eats,
Speaker 4: the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL.
Speaker 8: Order.
Speaker 4: Now will be back on the other side with Kyron Williams.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm so excited to be welcoming in pro
Speaker 4: bowler kyn Williams, the running back of the Los Angeles Rams,
Speaker 4: also the Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee of
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Rams. But it's not just Kyron Williams.
Speaker 4: A little peek behind the curtain. If you're listening to
Speaker 4: the podcast version of this, I got Kyron and Jordan
Speaker 4: rod Rieg of The Athletic with me. Of course, my
Speaker 4: co hosts' NFL Daily, and we were going to do
Speaker 4: it in three different windows, but the RAMS like sound.
Speaker 3: You know, the room that Kyroen was in wasn't that great.
Speaker 4: So now Kyroen's on Jordan's computer and we're just doing
Speaker 4: this all together because we're a non traditional podcast. You know, Kyroen,
Speaker 4: you came late in the draft. You know, you're a
Speaker 4: non traditional superstar running back. So hopefully it feels comfortable
Speaker 4: to you. Welcome to NFL Daily. Appreciate you coming.
Speaker 12: On appreciate you guys for having me.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm used to uncomfortable, uncomfortable situations, so this is
Speaker 13: all normal.
Speaker 4: I want to go more on that, like this is
Speaker 4: John McVay a coach that puts you guys in uncomfortable situations?
Speaker 4: Or are you talking more about Sundays and the games
Speaker 4: you're playing?
Speaker 12: Well, just I think there's the way that I kind
Speaker 12: of approach life.
Speaker 13: You know, you know you expect comfort, but you know,
Speaker 13: in thosecomfortable positions is where you really learn who you are,
Speaker 13: what you're about, and like the things that you're made of,
Speaker 13: and so you know, little things like you know, God's
Speaker 13: gonna throw you curveballs every single day and you just
Speaker 13: got to expect to hit them and you know, roll
Speaker 13: with the punches. So me, it's whatever. I'm always ready
Speaker 13: for whatever.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 8: One of the things that I think watching you kind
Speaker 8: of grow into your career over the last couple of years,
Speaker 8: is you seek those situations out like you go looking
Speaker 8: for them to the point where sometimes your coaches have
Speaker 8: to pull you back or pull you away, almost protecting
Speaker 8: you from yourself because you put so much into everything.
Speaker 5: How have how has that balance gone for you this year?
Speaker 8: Because you want you want everything all the time.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's kind of like I
Speaker 12: take it as a complement.
Speaker 13: But also that I you know, as I'm further go
Speaker 13: on my career, I realized that I got to be
Speaker 13: more careful and be more you know, aware of what
Speaker 13: you know I do to my body and.
Speaker 12: Just what I do physically.
Speaker 13: But for me, like you said, I've always grown up
Speaker 13: to just you know, accept those uncomfortable, uncomfortable situations, you know,
Speaker 13: whether that's in life, football or you know, even school
Speaker 13: when I was in school, And so.
Speaker 12: For me, it's it's all normal. But you know, you
Speaker 12: being able to learn, You're able to learn from those things.
Speaker 12: And I learned this year. You know, I learned that
Speaker 12: you know, I don't have to go hard all the time.
Speaker 12: You know, I can slow down, take a step back,
Speaker 12: take care of.
Speaker 13: My body, listen to my body, and it just that
Speaker 13: just allows me to be able to be set up
Speaker 13: and you know, where at the position position I'm at
Speaker 13: today where you know, I feel like I'm I'm only
Speaker 13: getting a stronger as a season going.
Speaker 12: You know, it's week sixteen and I just peaked in
Speaker 12: the weight room today. So it's like stuff.
Speaker 13: Stuff like that, you know, allows me to be able,
Speaker 13: Like you don't got to go hard all the time,
Speaker 13: just be smart and you know, do what you gotta
Speaker 13: do when the time is you know necessary.
Speaker 3: Well, you peaked in the weight room today. What are
Speaker 3: we talking about here?
Speaker 12: You know in the force force play jumps?
Speaker 13: You know do we do those every every Wednesday when
Speaker 13: we work out, and so today we just you know,
Speaker 13: you had your hands on your hips and it was
Speaker 13: a vertical jump.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 13: You know there's a trend that's among going like this,
Speaker 13: and so I beat last week's jumping, you know, So
Speaker 13: I just credit so you know, the work that I'm
Speaker 13: putting in, the smart work that I'm putting in after practice,
Speaker 13: and you know, the things in the weight room that
Speaker 13: I'm doing.
Speaker 3: I'm jealous.
Speaker 4: We get to holiday season and I'm like, my body's
Speaker 4: falling apart at this time of year.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I used to watch all these coaches.
Speaker 4: They come into training camp and they're always in great shape,
Speaker 4: and then by December that was like the old NFL.
Speaker 3: Now now all your coaches are are in great shape.
Speaker 4: I gotta admit, Like Sean and everything, I wanted to
Speaker 4: ask you a question so I was thinking, what's a
Speaker 4: signature Kyron Williams run I have? I kind of had
Speaker 4: my own answer. I gave it as a like kind
Speaker 4: of a thought experiment to myself. But I'd rather hear
Speaker 4: you answer it first and then I'll give you my take, like,
Speaker 4: what's the signature Kyroene run Man?
Speaker 13: Honestly, I wanted to say I like it all, honestly,
Speaker 13: But you know, this past three two years, three years
Speaker 13: i've been here with the Rams. We've been really honing
Speaker 13: it on the twelve duo and whatever that is, you know,
Speaker 13: actually thirteen to twelve whatever, but you know, having those
Speaker 13: double team blocks and be able to press the line
Speaker 13: of scrimmage and you know, make those linebackers pick where
Speaker 13: they want to go, and being able to jump cut
Speaker 13: from a gap or from c to sea, from sea
Speaker 13: gap to sea gap, you know, either way. And so
Speaker 13: for me, that's kind of what we've been you know,
Speaker 13: what we've been known as here at the RAMS. But
Speaker 13: you know, I really feel like any run as a
Speaker 13: Karen Williams ran, I just got to get the opportunities.
Speaker 8: Yeah, especially if it comes with your favorite the doom
Speaker 8: block or the blast block in front of it, and
Speaker 8: that's something that the RAMS and particularly behind you Kiren,
Speaker 8: have been working to install an overhaul over the past
Speaker 8: couple of years, with you being very much the heartbeat
Speaker 8: of that.
Speaker 5: What's that been like for you?
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, you were a big deal in college,
Speaker 8: but to have after the starts your career, I know
Speaker 8: you hit some adversity, but then coming in the last
Speaker 8: two years and this is built around you, It's built
Speaker 8: for what you do. Well, what has that been like
Speaker 8: for you?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 12: It's a blessing, you know, because I've always wanted to
Speaker 12: be in this position.
Speaker 13: I've always wanted to be right where I'm at playing
Speaker 13: professional football at the highest level and being being successful
Speaker 13: at that. And like you said, I you know, I
Speaker 13: ran into a diversity, but like that's what that was
Speaker 13: my test, that was my calling, that was my really
Speaker 13: like are you ready for the NFL?
Speaker 12: Do you want to be?
Speaker 13: And so when I went through that stuff like that's
Speaker 13: just like the we talked about earlier, the uncomfortable positions
Speaker 13: or situations that you know, I was able to be
Speaker 13: in at the early stage of my career that allows
Speaker 13: me to be able to set up to where I'm
Speaker 13: at now. But just being able to have all, like
Speaker 13: like you said, offense kind of you know, run game
Speaker 13: built around who I am and what I do best.
Speaker 13: It's a blessing because you know, I love this game.
Speaker 13: I love being able to play football, and like you said,
Speaker 13: I want everything. So whenever i'm when coach McVay is
Speaker 13: thinking about me in the run game, that's just all.
Speaker 13: That's all I've ever wanted, you know, while playing football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gave me a very x's and o's answer,
Speaker 4: which I appreciate. It's pretty close to what what I
Speaker 4: thought about too, although Jordan picked up on more of
Speaker 4: it than I could.
Speaker 3: Because that's why I have her onside. I can't. I
Speaker 3: can't do an interview by myself.
Speaker 12: Oh that's you're a good teacher.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: I just can't do it by myself. I gotta have
Speaker 4: her sit. And you guys are cracking me up watching this.
Speaker 4: People should check this out.
Speaker 8: I told Kyen, he's too young for this. But this
Speaker 8: is like a Collinsworth slide situation, like I should split
Speaker 8: into the frame like this.
Speaker 4: It's true, and so what I was thinking, like signature runs,
Speaker 4: because like Derrick Henry a signature one of his runs,
Speaker 4: you know, it's going to have a stiff arm minute.
Speaker 4: My favorite running back of all time, Frank Or If
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of what a signature run would be, it'd
Speaker 4: be him being so patient behind the hole that you
Speaker 4: can't even believe, and then he hits something so hard
Speaker 4: before it even opens, and you're like, how did you
Speaker 4: know that was going to open?
Speaker 3: When? When it opens? And and for you it would
Speaker 3: be a little bit of that. It'd be what you
Speaker 3: said it would.
Speaker 4: It be a run that would have great vision, that
Speaker 4: would have great footwork, where just the lateral agility, and that,
Speaker 4: to me is what separates you and and a lot
Speaker 4: of great running backs over there, the lateral agility to
Speaker 4: hit that hole and know when to hit it. But
Speaker 4: the one thing you didn't say is that, to me,
Speaker 4: a signature Kyen run would be get low at the
Speaker 4: end of it and you'd run someone over because I
Speaker 4: think the physicality that that you bring at your size
Speaker 4: and everything that like, I didn't know about that until
Speaker 4: I saw it in your second year. Are you still
Speaker 4: surprising defenders with that? And do you think I picked
Speaker 4: a good signature around?
Speaker 12: Yeah, but you know I like to be physical.
Speaker 13: I just like that nature of you know, people that
Speaker 13: expecting me to come and really hit you or come
Speaker 13: and really trying to run you over. And so like
Speaker 13: being able to have that in the bag, it creates
Speaker 13: a lot of opportunities for me to be able to
Speaker 13: also find that safety make them, you know, line them
Speaker 13: up and beat them one on one.
Speaker 12: So that's kind of like when I.
Speaker 13: Say when you say signature, yes, you know, being patient
Speaker 13: hitting that hoole one and when he's not even there.
Speaker 13: But I also want to get into being able to
Speaker 13: make that safety mission, you know, create those big because
Speaker 13: and then I'm still working for those and I'm still
Speaker 13: gonna I'm gonna get those they coming soon, I promise
Speaker 13: you that, because uh, that's just what I see.
Speaker 12: But like being able to have that ability to when
Speaker 12: people know that you.
Speaker 13: Weren't scared to lowerer Lowerer had and to run them over,
Speaker 13: because that was the talk of me coming to the NFL.
Speaker 12: He's not big enough or he's too small, Like, who's
Speaker 12: too small? I'll run you over. I'll be putting DMS
Speaker 12: on there.
Speaker 13: But it's all doesn't matter. That's that's out of the
Speaker 13: story now. And so you know, being able to you know,
Speaker 13: set that early on in my NFL career. That was
Speaker 13: huge for me, and like you said, seeing that in
Speaker 13: the second year, many people didn't know that.
Speaker 8: And I think one last thing on the signature run
Speaker 8: we have to finish it with a flourish right, whether
Speaker 8: you get hit or not. And whenever you do get
Speaker 8: hit before you're ready to go down, right, he gets
Speaker 8: up and you will like stomp your feet and you
Speaker 8: will you have that emotion and you can see you're
Speaker 8: often facing you know, the end zone, and you can't
Speaker 8: see your linemen running behind you. The lineman they feel
Speaker 8: that and they come running up to you and they
Speaker 8: reset the line and you're ready to go again.
Speaker 5: How do you transfer that energy? That's part of your
Speaker 5: signature too.
Speaker 8: Is that energy that you transfer.
Speaker 13: Among that I think that's part of the biggest thing. Honestly,
Speaker 13: what I bring to this game is I'm able to
Speaker 13: put I'm able to bring the people around me with me.
Speaker 13: And that's just by my play play style and who
Speaker 13: I am as a person. Tell you I love his game.
Speaker 12: I love this game.
Speaker 13: I have so much joy going out there and being
Speaker 13: able to play this game, and you know, be around
Speaker 13: these with these professional athletes who you know, I once
Speaker 13: slipped up to and now I'm with them and you know,
Speaker 13: practicing with them and going to war with them, Like
Speaker 13: that's to me, that's just what it's all about. And
Speaker 13: so when I'm out there having fun, everybody can feel
Speaker 13: it's affectionists and it's not anything that I try to do.
Speaker 12: That's who's who I am.
Speaker 13: Like, I remember when I was younger, That's how my
Speaker 13: dad was like when he was coaching us, and literally
Speaker 13: he was always the hype man.
Speaker 12: He was always screaming. He's always you know, getting us
Speaker 12: rowdy to go, and I just feel like that's how
Speaker 12: the game of football's played. And the other thing too.
Speaker 12: In high school.
Speaker 13: I remember my freshman year I got I was a
Speaker 13: freshman playing varsity and I got hit super hard on
Speaker 13: the sideline.
Speaker 12: I caught the ball, got smack, and everybody was like, woa, wow,
Speaker 12: he's got hit.
Speaker 13: But my one thing, my coach said is you know,
Speaker 13: you bounced up so fast that it made the defender
Speaker 13: feel like he didn't even do anything. And so you'll
Speaker 13: see me now like I'll be the first one ab
Speaker 13: off the ground like I'm not staying on the ground
Speaker 13: because you didn't do anything to me. You didn't affect
Speaker 13: me that that hit. I didn't feel that and so
Speaker 13: that's another mental cycle thing that you know, I tried
Speaker 13: to bring to the game that allows you know, me
Speaker 13: to have the edge over the fenders and allows me
Speaker 13: to have that energy, you know, for my team.
Speaker 4: So we're talking to you before you head to the
Speaker 4: East Coast Jets this week, big game, first time all season.
Speaker 4: You guys are now tied for first place, and I'll
Speaker 4: be I'll be real with you. You know, we're we're
Speaker 4: unbiased here at NFL Daily. But I've been living in
Speaker 4: La now a little bis. I've been here for eleven
Speaker 4: years now, and I didn't know what my daughter was
Speaker 4: gonna decide to do as a football fan, or even
Speaker 4: if she would become a football fan. But she went
Speaker 4: out to the coliseum when the Rams were playing the
Speaker 4: Cowboys in the playoffs. You know what was that six
Speaker 4: years ago now with Jared Goffet, you know, in his
Speaker 4: second year, and.
Speaker 3: She became a Ram fan.
Speaker 4: So she's you know, early on this season, she's a
Speaker 4: huge Kyraen Williams tin Early on this season, you guys
Speaker 4: are struggling there at one and four, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Ellis, you know, I know it's disappointed. She
Speaker 4: spends her whole Sunday building around I'm just like, this
Speaker 4: might not be the year and just like, oh no.
Speaker 3: They'll be there at the end. Like that's what they do.
Speaker 3: They improve as it goes.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, but you know, Stafford's getting
Speaker 4: a little older and there's a lot of injuries and
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh no, they'll be there at the end.
Speaker 3: That's what they do. And it is what you guys do.
Speaker 4: Like what is it about this Rams team, including when
Speaker 4: you've been there, especially these last two years that it's
Speaker 4: it does seem like you guys are peaking at this
Speaker 4: time of the year and just kind of what are
Speaker 4: you looking forward to the rest of the season.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't tell you a pinpoint example
Speaker 13: or a situation that you know happened to us. I
Speaker 13: honestly think coach mcvaigh he's a great coach and he's
Speaker 13: able to verbalize. I don't think many coaches are able
Speaker 13: to verbalize what we need to do, and he was
Speaker 13: able to do that. He sat us down and he
Speaker 13: told us that we needed a sense of urgency. We
Speaker 13: told us that we need to really you know, come
Speaker 13: together as a group to go compete our bus off
Speaker 13: because sitting at one and four, we knew we weren't
Speaker 13: that type of team.
Speaker 12: You know, we were better than what we were putting
Speaker 12: out there on the field and when we're not there
Speaker 12: on tape.
Speaker 13: And so did him be having that realization of him
Speaker 13: being able to be real with us and show us
Speaker 13: with the reality of the situation was. And like you said,
Speaker 13: we did have injuries, we weren't we didn't have Cooper Cup,
Speaker 13: we didn't have Coooker, we didn't have Steve, we didn't
Speaker 13: have you know, the people that we needed to you know,
Speaker 13: have to also be the.
Speaker 12: You know, the explosive offense that we always werere to be.
Speaker 13: And so, you know, just being him being able to
Speaker 13: you know, be real with us but still put that
Speaker 13: confidence in us, still be able to move us and
Speaker 13: motivate us to be in the right direction. I feel
Speaker 13: like that's what the biggest, you know, turning point for
Speaker 13: this team was because he sat us down and told
Speaker 13: us that we had thirty six days left together. And
Speaker 13: when you think about it, thirty six days is a
Speaker 13: lot and when you think about it, you know, you
Speaker 13: don't want to lose in those thirty six days. You
Speaker 13: don't want to come in December playing losing football, Like
Speaker 13: that's just no.
Speaker 12: Fun in the NFL. And so you know, having that,
Speaker 12: having him do that, and in the creator the response
Speaker 12: that he, you know, he created on his team is
Speaker 12: you know, it's hats off to him, and then you know,
Speaker 12: hats off to you know, what he's about, what he's
Speaker 12: what he's doing. But you know, I just feel like
Speaker 12: right now, like you said, we're here at the right time,
Speaker 12: and we just got to continue to stay tight, stay focused, and.
Speaker 13: Not worry about who's in front of us. You know,
Speaker 13: I always tell everybody, anybody who plays faceless and nameless, like.
Speaker 12: It don't matter who it is.
Speaker 13: Every Sunday, we know that we got a game, but
Speaker 13: it don't matter who. So this weekend it happens to
Speaker 13: be the Jets, but it doesn't change anything that we
Speaker 13: do as offense, defense, and special teams continue to keep,
Speaker 13: you know, focusing on us and what we do to
Speaker 13: make us who we are.
Speaker 8: I think the thing that's so crazy when you talk
Speaker 8: to elite competitors such as yourself and players across the league,
Speaker 8: is that switch that you flip for opponents. Right then
Speaker 8: you flip another switch when you get into the community. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and it is so personal to you. I mean, this
Speaker 8: Walter Payton Man of the Year nomination, I know is
Speaker 8: so deeply personal to you for a number of reasons.
Speaker 5: Inclusive to how you found out about it.
Speaker 8: Can you kind of remind us and take.
Speaker 13: Us through that moment, I mean the whole story, honestly.
Speaker 13: So growing up in Saint Louis, you know, I've always
Speaker 13: you know, my my parent, my dad was a football player,
Speaker 13: My uncles were football players, and so that's football was
Speaker 13: something that I love to do. And my mom she
Speaker 13: wouldn't let me play because she's always nervous about me
Speaker 13: getting hurt.
Speaker 12: So I had to wait. I had to play flag football.
Speaker 12: I had to do that first.
Speaker 13: But like I said, football is my love and my passion,
Speaker 13: and so being able, you know, to have the Saint
Speaker 13: Louis Rams in Saint Louis and have a professional team
Speaker 13: to be able to look up to, that's all I
Speaker 13: wanted to be. And so in eighth grade, I was
Speaker 13: blessed to be able to have friends who whose parents
Speaker 13: were able to take me to games, take me to
Speaker 13: the Edwards Jones domes and be able to you know,
Speaker 13: really put eyes to what it was to you know,
Speaker 13: live out that dream. And so one day my grandma,
Speaker 13: my mem and she she had tickets to like the
Speaker 13: Stephen Jackson Foundation of thirty nine Wishes, where I was
Speaker 13: able to, you know, go to the stadium, be on
Speaker 13: the field and meet every single player on the RAMS
Speaker 13: just like you just walk up to the table and
Speaker 13: they signed autographs. And so when I got to Stephen Jackson,
Speaker 13: I knew who Stephen Jackson was from just being you know,
Speaker 13: loving football so much and watching the Rams so much,
Speaker 13: and so when I got to Stephen Jackson, it was
Speaker 13: like it was just a real moment, like me putting
Speaker 13: the real eyes to somebody who I wanted to be.
Speaker 13: That's what, you know, changed my life. Honestly, I was
Speaker 13: able to picture and I remember going home and telling
Speaker 13: my mom, like, I'm gonna be an NFL player, Like
Speaker 13: this is what I want to be. And ever since
Speaker 13: that moment, you know, I fell deeply in level of football,
Speaker 13: and you know, I was still at every Rams game
Speaker 13: and I was still just just wanting to be that
Speaker 13: person that you know, I saw that one time when
Speaker 13: I was eight years old, you know, with Steven Jackson
Speaker 13: and so, and I was always at the games. So
Speaker 13: when Stephen Jackson he came to the you know, our
Speaker 13: team meeting, I was like, oh, wow, Stephen Jackson's here.
Speaker 12: What's what's he gonna tell us about? Like I had,
Speaker 12: I had no idea. And then the picture popped up.
Speaker 13: Of you know, the picture of me and him when
Speaker 13: I was him and I when I was little, and
Speaker 13: I was like, Okay, maybe he's just showing like the connection.
Speaker 12: That we had, Like you know, I met Stephen Jackson before, like.
Speaker 13: Nothing no, nothing about Walston Payton man there nothing, and
Speaker 13: then he, you know, he told me what he told me, like,
Speaker 13: you know, he told me like, oh, your buddy here,
Speaker 13: he's a Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee. And
Speaker 13: I was shocked because I thought what I was doing
Speaker 13: was something I was supposed to do, like that's what
Speaker 13: put me in his position to be to be able
Speaker 13: to be a blessing to a blessing, you know. And
Speaker 13: so I know how it feels to be impacted. I
Speaker 13: know how it feels to be inspired. I know how
Speaker 13: it feels to really put eyes to the person that
Speaker 13: you want to be. And so that's that's just my
Speaker 13: main focus, like my main focus to inspire the youth
Speaker 13: because what Steven Jackson did for me little did he know,
Speaker 13: allowed me to be where I'm at, allowed me to
Speaker 13: be able to him again in the position that I
Speaker 13: am as an NFL running back, and you know, he
Speaker 13: gave that kid a dream that was no reality. He
Speaker 13: told me to dream big, and I dreamed the biggest,
Speaker 13: and you know, so just being able to have that
Speaker 13: and being able to know who I am and how
Speaker 13: I got to where I'm at, it's only right that I,
Speaker 13: you know, I continue to inspire the youth because you
Speaker 13: never know who who was going to take that and
Speaker 13: run with it. And so that's kind of why, like
Speaker 13: I'm always if I see a kid and they see
Speaker 13: me and they know who I am, I'm always like yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 13: yes to anything. That's why I throw the ball before
Speaker 13: games because you just never know who you're going to
Speaker 13: touch on them, who you're gonna impact, because you know,
Speaker 13: Stephen Jackson didn't and I'm blessed enough to be right
Speaker 13: here because of what he did.
Speaker 4: Now, have you watched the video back, y'all? Okay, because
Speaker 4: we had it already now you talked it through.
Speaker 3: Let's put it on.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put it on for our listeners just to
Speaker 4: check it out. And this was that moment where he
Speaker 4: introduces you.
Speaker 9: This guy right here, I had a chance to meet
Speaker 9: him in this year. At that time I met this
Speaker 9: young man. No, I did not know he would become
Speaker 9: a Ram and all his ways to being a great.
Speaker 9: So when you leave it all on the field, you
Speaker 9: help people forget and you getting them inspiration. And that's
Speaker 9: why I'm here this morning because one of our brothers
Speaker 9: here have done that. Our buddy here is a Walter
Speaker 9: Payton Rams nomin knee for this season.
Speaker 4: And it goes on from there. Very cool moment. And yeah,
Speaker 4: all the work that you do in the community, people
Speaker 4: should check it out. But you served as a captain
Speaker 4: for the United Way of the Greater LA's Walk United
Speaker 4: LA to help raise over a million dollars to fight
Speaker 4: cycles of poverty. It's a long list. It's amazing all
Speaker 4: the different things that you've been a part of. Met
Speaker 4: with members of the La Rams wheelchair football team. You're
Speaker 4: involved in the school district out here. We work at
Speaker 4: Inglewood too, at the at Sofi Stadium, and you're you're
Speaker 4: involved in the l a USD, the school district trying
Speaker 4: trying to help kids there, and in the Inglewood school
Speaker 4: system and in different local children battling life threatening medical conditions,
Speaker 4: all these different events and it goes on, and Yeah,
Speaker 4: what what it made me think reading all this stuff is, yeah,
Speaker 4: you must be saying yes to every opportunity. And the
Speaker 4: thing that stands out to me, not knowing you, Kyrien,
Speaker 4: was just I watch how this Man of the Year
Speaker 4: stuff goes, and it's always almost like a thing that
Speaker 4: they reward veterans that have been around a long time
Speaker 4: for because it's such a hard honor to get that,
Speaker 4: you have to wait. Steven Jackson talked about it too.
Speaker 4: He got in twenty twelve, and I'm thinking, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: that's at the end of his that's towards the end
Speaker 4: of his RAMS tenure. So for you to get that
Speaker 4: as such a young player in your third season, I
Speaker 4: think that that says a.
Speaker 13: Lot about you, No for sure, And like you said,
Speaker 13: I just it's a blessing to be where I'm at
Speaker 13: and I know how I got to here, so it's
Speaker 13: I'm gonna be a blessing to other people, you know,
Speaker 13: to make sure that whatever it is that they're going through,
Speaker 13: they know that it's gonna be okay, you know, because.
Speaker 12: And everybody, you know, we're all human. Everybody's going through something,
Speaker 12: and so you know, I just try to be a
Speaker 12: blessing to for a blessing for sure.
Speaker 3: But you're blessing to NFL Daily. We appreciate you.
Speaker 4: And you're blessing to my friend Jordan rod Rieg here,
Speaker 4: you know, sharing the screen with her, and hopefully we
Speaker 4: helped you out too.
Speaker 8: I am though, I'm just here. He's the one who's
Speaker 8: on the screen. Yeah, and thank you, Kyen, because we
Speaker 8: know we hit a sudden change at you here with
Speaker 8: the location and everything.
Speaker 12: So thank you so much for you got to stand.
Speaker 12: You never know what's going to happen. You gotta be
Speaker 12: ready for whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, And uh it's cool.
Speaker 4: Maybe do like an honor of Stephen Jackson this week
Speaker 4: and like do one of those Stephen Jackson runs just
Speaker 4: running through.
Speaker 3: That guy was a beast. You West loved him growing up.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I got you. I wish he had a I
Speaker 12: wish he had a signature celebration that I could do. Yeah, thanks,
Speaker 12: I hear that.
Speaker 4: He was one of my favorites, one of the most physical,
Speaker 4: exciting running back. So you've been rammed for life, ram
Speaker 4: back in Saint Louis and now ram now. Appreciate you, Kyroen,
Speaker 4: Thank you Jordan. We'll catch you next time.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Appreciation all right, Thanks again to Kyrone Williams of the Rams.
Speaker 4: Thanks to Jordan rod Riege of The Athletic Fun Show,
Speaker 4: star studded Show.
Speaker 3: Thanks to Mina Chimes for joining and.
Speaker 4: Talking about a Chargers team that just feels a little
Speaker 4: bit different when it fit time games with good coaching.
Speaker 3: In December, Man.
Speaker 4: Only one more TNF game left. When that's true, you
Speaker 4: know football is back. We'll see you Friday with Cynthia
Speaker 4: in the pic show