WEBVTT - Ep. 280: Cat Scratch Fever 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening don't eat podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:23.520 You can't predict anything presented by first light. Go farther, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:34.320 stay longer. Alright, eighty body joined today by none other 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.760 than the cat Lady Spencer new Heart. And the other 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:44.760 cat lady is cat Lady Buddy said, sat the flip flap, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.760 flush your more, got it? That's great. Two cat ladies 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:54.600 build the engineer Karan Brody's got no cat never will 0:00:55.440 --> 0:01:00.200 you don't even? Yeah, cat lady, but you specially don't. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:01.920 You don't need to act like a cat lady. No, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.520 Brodie's eyes in a not cat snuggling mood. I used 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.040 to scrape barn cats off the highway now and then 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.320 back when I was a kid. That's about his tossing 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.200 the ditch. Okay, was that like a professional. We had 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.600 We had courses and there's a lot of bar bar cats. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.720 Your own barn cat. Yeah, I could tell you some 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.560 cast stories to curl your hair, man, but I could too. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.560 Yeah I won't, I'd wind up. I don't know. It 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.520 won't be good. Um Oh, first, okay, we're gonna plead 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.640 to there's the thing. I gotta plead because there's there's 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:38.520 a I'm in a professional predicament. We have been talking 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:44.119 since last December about we were gonna do a fine 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.280 art coffee table book. It was a joke. It wasn't 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.400 a fine art coffee table book. Left up Old deer Stands, Okay, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.240 funked up Old deer Stands his name of the book. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:54.960 It's gonna be a fine art coffee table book for 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.680 meat eater. And so we were gonna go and get 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.640 like our own camera guys, our own photographers. We just 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.920 encounter crazy tree stands and you know, kind of rotten, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.240 dangerous whatever like crazy tree stands. So we started talking 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.960 about how we're gonna do this book, and we opened 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.640 up a thing for submissions, and how many do we have? 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:20.559 So far, one thousand, three seventy people have sent in submissions. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.239 I have been getting a ton of pushback in snyde 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.840 commentary from the people that work at this company about 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.639 this project. Oh big time. There is a people are 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:45.880 very very very incredulous project. Everything about it, Everything about it, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.720 how's it tied to what we're doing? On? Man? Telling 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.880 you what, dude, when this thing it's gonna be a calendar. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.720 It's not gonna be two. It's gonna be a calendar. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.040 It could be a two if your kids are what 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.000 your plug your kid's ears. It's called funked up old 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.480 deer stands. We have some of the we just got. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.720 It's amazing what's out there. We got a great one 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.000 recently of an a t M machine, an a t 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.120 I'm not king an a t M cash machine on 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.080 a stand, but where you can sit in the a 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:28.560 t M machine. Yeah, like where are you like the 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:33.520 screen hole literally on the top of it, says cash machine. Yeah, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:39.320 we're talking like you know those like plastic stackable chairs 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:40.880 like you like in Mexico and you go to like 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.040 a eat a taco, like the Coca Cola whatever, one 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.880 of those lashed up to a tree, limb way up 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.920 in a tree for the plank that you like, apparently 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.360 walk out the plank and then get in the plastic 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.240 chair lashed up in the tree. I hope he's near 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.240 Alan Lazare's Hospa said have you bagged up? There's a 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.480 big trampoline underneath it. So no, it's it's a great project. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.920 It's gonna be a calendar. They'll be a cover. I 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.120 need people when it's time. I need you to be 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.600 ready to buy this thing so that I can be 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.600 proven to be right. But then we're only going to 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:25.919 use twelve out of there's always like if if people 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.960 can get my back on this and buy this calendar, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.520 whether they want it or not, as a Christmas present, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.919 then the book will come. But I need people to 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.520 get on board with it's the greatest collection ever. Funked 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.320 Up Old Deer stands in existence, and then we'll do 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.960 funked Up Old Duck Hunting Blinds after that. In votes, yeah, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:48.560 fulbes so in production, like in production is a thing 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.640 where like met Eater, the show, the TV show Metator, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.800 if you look at all our stuff, it's always s 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.800 r M E, so it's like Steven Elli meater. And 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.960 if you're like packing a Pelican case for a camera, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.560 you put like sr M E blank number, and that's 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:07.840 sort of our thing. This project is funds fo U 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.680 d s, so internally we call it funds. What I 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.080 was laughing about is a fund is a guy. A 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.600 fund I always gonna keuse of being a fund. A 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.120 fund is an Elmer fund. Why him, I don't know, 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.120 but a fund is if you if you're like relationship 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.720 to firearms is around hunting weapons, and you sort of 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.640 make the mistake of thinking that like the Second Amendment, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.239 like is like meant to protect people with hunting guns 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.960 or whatever. That's like your view on it. You become 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.120 a fund and that's a that's a per that's a pejorative. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.800 You don't want to be a fund. But now I'm 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.960 not a fund. You're taking it back. Well, no, I'm 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:48.840 not a fun because someone just set me. I haven't 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.320 picked it up yet, but I'll have a R. So 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.920 I'm just like a right wing nut. Now people call 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.360 me right wing. I'll be no longer fun. Now I'm 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.960 a right wing nut job. You can out call people funds. Yeah, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.360 Seth was already right wing nut job. He's at a 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.040 R the whole time I knowing him, so he now 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.880 I would be like, yeah, Seth, he's always like, I 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.240 don't want to hang out with Steve. He's a fun 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.640 fun Now I mean, Seth aren't gonna hang out with 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.320 other people because they're funds and we're right wing nut jobs. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.360 Brody Layout, the Arizona Trail camp ban, this is this 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:26.480 is ah, this is interesting yeah, first date to ban 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.920 the use of trail cameras, trail cameras for the purpose 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.080 of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, basically 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.839 saying banned year round, yes, like full on bands starting 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:44.440 private and public Yes, yes, January on. That is like 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.039 a way way I didn't know until right now. That 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.360 is a very extreme version of this. Yeah, other states 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.800 have banned drones and trail cameras at certain times of 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.360 the year on public land and stuff like that, but 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.080 this is the full the full on. It's like you 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.279 can't ever have them out even months before the season 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.520 to what about the movement? What about for like surveillance 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.000 like personal security and stuff like I don't even know 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.200 if they've like figured that part of it out, like 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.360 you know, but they're saying year round because states do 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.280 public land up until the season starts, or they do. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.040 You can have the kind that you have to pull 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.280 a card, but you can't leave the kind out that 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:32.440 transmits a message right or private land only. But that 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.400 is really because that's like the most trail cam and 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.000 state in the Union, man. I mean, they're following those 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.960 big Kai bad bucks around all year long. And yeah, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.960 I got friends to talk about that they're they're sitting 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.520 there hunt. One time in Arizona, they washed the mulder 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.200 come into a watering hole at dusk and they said 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.200 it must have been twenty cameras went off at a 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.800 water hole. Yeah, like you come in and like people, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.600 you all, everybody's got everybody keeps their cameras around the 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.760 water holes. And in addition to the unfair advantage that 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:05.280 they did mention that these things have caused some like 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.600 conflict between people because everyone's trying to get a picture 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.960 of the same buck, right, you know, if if someone 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.720 knows about it or what you know, a big bull whatever. Um. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:19.280 But the public public comments, But the public opposed the 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.560 band by roughly a two to one margin. But the 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:28.200 five person commission, five to nothing remoted against. Yeah, what 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.120 the I wonder what they're looking at that made them 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:39.520 so sure? Says trail cameras violate fair chase, which you know, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.160 there's an argument to be made there, Like I can 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.320 see the argument. Yeah, you do well, and I know 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.840 from talking to you know, and well i'll tell you 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.760 right now, I have sitting on the desk in my 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.319 garage ready to go, which I'm gonna place this weekend. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.160 A trail camera, yeah, which I'm fixing to put out 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.520 in the woods. Yeah, I mean we've talked about it before. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.240 You're sitting at home, you get a little notification on 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.520 your phone, Big Larry just walked by your stand. You 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.880 drive out there and jump in the stand, you know, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.680 or just just knowing what's going on when you're not there. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.880 There's there's an argument to be made that I used 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.440 mine for just general animal looking though. Yeah. Yeah, like 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.040 I I saw something on It's probably Instagram or something 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.760 the other day where a guy left a trail camera 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.840 out in the mountains for an entire year and had 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.400 like thirty thousand images that he was sifting through, and yeah, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.800 it'd just be cool to see what's walking around out there. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.320 I put one behind my fish shack one time, and 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.240 like right behind it, there's a little gang sholder's eyes, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.040 deer and bear on it, and uh, my buddy's wife 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.600 went back there and pe he pulled the card. Never 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.640 gave me the card, but then uh, I gotta have 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.960 just wipe that card and give it to me. Then uh, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.880 I left it there for a year and it was 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.280 cool because it'd be like bear deer bared deer, but 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.400 there's like this dough. It was just there all the time, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.480 and you see, uh, also she's got her fawn. It's 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.720 but a little you multiple pictures over every day. You know, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.440 what's kind of sad man. I can't remember what month 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.679 it was, but later in the summer, just back to 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:18.959 being by herself or something happen to it. The thing 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.200 that's cool too is um like a lot of discoveries 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.040 are made via these trail cameras by people who aren't 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:29.240 necessarily trying to find a wolverine where a wolverine never was. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.760 Or Yeah, there's a book. I've plugged this book a 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.200 couple of times. It's called Candid Creatures or something like that, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.800 and it's a book about how trail cams they called 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.840 camera like camera, I'll just called camera traps, just called 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:48.480 trail cams. The way that trail cams have rewritten a 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.160 lot of our understanding of animal distribution. There's an amazing 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.679 picture in there, and I think it maybe I think 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.400 it was captured in Arizona. Is the only known picture 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.839 of a jaguar standing in the snow. That's awesome and 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.200 came off a trail cam. But imagine if this happened 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.960 in Wisconsin or Iowa, I think it would turn the 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.520 white tail hunting industry like upside down or something like 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.240 that happens. Oh, if that spreads, it's gonna cause a 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.720 real reckoning. Uh like if that sentiment. But it's surprisingly 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.600 that came out of Arizona because I know that in 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.000 the white tail dominated states is so big. But um, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.400 I feel like like trail camp maybe trail camp uses 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.040 like very prevalent, and maybe it's because it's just gotten, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.960 you know. And and the other thing about Arizona is 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:39.360 like just it being dry. Is it Arizona, Colorado. It's Arizona, Arizona, Colorado. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.920 One thing that Arizona doesn't have is it doesn't have 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.600 um like the enormous herds that you have in the North. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.280 It's just like there's kind of like you know, like 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.400 you just look at the tag allocation process, there's like 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.000 Arizona doesn't have a lot. There's not a lot of 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.960 like over the counter um big game hunting opportunities. Like 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.280 it's a pretty there's a somewhat competitive atmosphere to getting permits. 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.640 There's a competitive atmosphere in these certain hunt units. Yeah, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.280 competitive atmosphere for outfitters to get the hunter that drew 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.720 the tag, you know, because they don't have they don't 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.560 have like massive elk herds like you find in the North, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.720 you know, but they have massive elk and they have 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.880 some massive mulder like something. You know, they got just 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.280 some giants. Man, it's you know, it's managing that way. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:29.440 It's managed like pretty conservatively. But huh, I gotta think 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.280 about that for a day or two to draw it 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.480 to get an opinion about it. I assumed it meant 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.640 that you had to pull it once hunting season started 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:43.679 full on. Well, but couldn't you argue if it's out 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.439 in June that you're not using it for the taking 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.960 of game? But yeah, I mean I don't think they've 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.920 sure you could be going putting it out to take 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:55.760 pictures of birds. Right, I'll talk about that a little bit. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.640 More's gonna be joined later by I got two people 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.920 coming on, Annie Bolton, who's a dude that we just 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.640 filmed in Hawaii with we uh if? Again referring to Instagram, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.080 I put some pictures on Instagram from when Cal and 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.559 I were out spear fishing and hunting in Hawaii. Uh 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.640 While I was out there, he had had this he 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.000 was sick. While we were there, went through all the 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:20.599 normal things like, oh, he must have COVID. Now it 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.960 doesn't sound like COVID. Anyways, by the time we got 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.000 home back to back to uh Montana here he had 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:32.240 found out that he had contracted AU from from eating 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.079 raw game meat. He had contracted uh, toxo plasmosis, right, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.679 is that the right word we're talking And they were 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.480 also gonna be joined by by our resident doctor Dr. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.040 Alan Zaro was gonna lay out one up with taxo plasmosis. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.400 Recent episode called Hunting and Chains, we had on the 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.480 author and professor Scott Guiltner who authored a book Hunting 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.160 and Fishing in the New South. And then we're talking about, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.560 you know a lot about slavery, the hunting practices of slaves. 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.240 And I had pointed out in that conversation about how 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.599 during that at the time the Lewis and Clark expedition 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.560 um they had like a hundred hundred people roughly, they 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.800 had a slave with him name York. One slave they 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:23.880 brought along, one guy not on payroll, and uh, he 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.920 had had like interesting experiences along the way, no doubt. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:33.119 And I was pointing out that afterward, Clark liberated him, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.080 emancipated him, game is, granted him his own freedom. One 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.760 of our contributors, Ben Long wrote, into those, uh A 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:45.960 bit more complicated than that. So Clark had received York 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.120 as a present as a child, so like you might 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.320 nowadays give you a kid, I don't know, a fit bit. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.680 Back then he'd be like, here's a human being's yours 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.760 to do it as you please. And he kept this 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.440 human being um as his as his possession, and eventually 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:09.360 brought him with him. Um brought York his his property 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:15.000 on the expedition, and had, upon returning from the West, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.400 had said to York that he was gonna free him, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:25.200 give him his freedom, but he repeatedly reneged. York one 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.320 time pressed him on the deal, being like, hey, remember 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.280 how you were going to give you my freedom? And 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:34.480 Clark punished him by separating him from his wife and 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.120 threatening to literally sell him down the river to a 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.320 hostile slaver in New Orleans. So when you hear the 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.080 expression he sold me down the river, what that means 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.080 is I don't I don't know how accurate is. But 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.840 when you hear the expression um, what it means is 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.040 that it would be that the further down in the 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.760 Mississippi you got, the further into the Deep South, you 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.960 got the the the um treatment of slaves worsen. So 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.840 if you were like in Missouri, you know, I think 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.640 Twain talks about this affair bit like if you were 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.920 in Missouri, um to get sold down the river, as 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.440 that you'd be sold to a new owner deeper into 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.000 the South where it was worse. So threatened to sell 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.800 him down to a hostile slaver in New Orleans. Clark 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.640 beat York severely for being soul in an insolent in 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:33.080 eight o nine, So five years after, I expecially saying 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.600 it was ten years, he got his freedom ten years later. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.880 Stephen Ambrose, who kind of wrote one of the you know, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.240 I guess the modern days definitive history of the Lewis 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.160 and Clark expedition, said quote, much of the evil of 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:52.800 slavery is encapsulated by this little story. This guy's talking 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.640 spencer telling people what your idea is. I would love 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.520 for us to have a Lewis and Clark expert on 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.440 the pod cast, but Steve Is has pushed back every 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.440 time I bring it up. Mm hmm. Why is that 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.800 A couple of things. What I'm saying earlier, I think 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:15.200 it's like a big government. Okay, you got little cruise, Okay. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.520 John Coulter was with the Lewis and Clark expedition. Okay, 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.720 as they're coming back down the river, they almost get 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:27.320 the they almost get to St. Louis, this harrowing years 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.760 long trip, and everyone was like, oh, I can't wait 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.480 to go home. John Colter runs into some trappers going 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.240 back up the river and turns around, doesn't even go 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.840 to St. Louis, turns around, goes back up the river. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.600 That's the kind of guy I'm interested in. But I'm 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.520 interested in the little bands of mountain men in that era. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.960 But like the not to hack on government at all, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:55.280 but like a hundred guys edicts from the president. It's 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.159 just it's like, to me, it's not the kind of 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:06.600 swash buckling, rugged individual entrepreneurialism that inspires me, but those 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.560 sorts of fellas that you, like, you've covered dozens of 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.879 times over by now and still having given even a 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.440 thirty minutes segment of a podcast Lewis and Clark, Okay, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.240 they Steve's gonna sum it up right here. Let me 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.080 tell you the interesting things about it. Okay. That on 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.240 there to do list was to see if there's wooly 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:33.359 mammoth's Do you know that's true? Okay, that's interesting. Um 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.239 the only tribe they got to shootout with was are 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.879 you asking me? Mm hmmm, Sue. They got to shootout 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:47.000 with the black Feet, killed the black Feet warrior. Uh. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.200 They had an air rifle on that expedition. That's not 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:56.960 interesting to me. My kid, my eleven year old is 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.600 perked right up right now. The mention of air rivals. Okay, uh, yeah, 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.199 they would get it out to impress people. Yea. They 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.040 had a repeating air rifle with like a compressor. There's 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.359 various parts about that are interesting. Have you been to 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.840 Pompey's Pillar. You can see Clark's name carving in the 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.480 rod for the longest time. They said it was the 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.360 only like physical evidence of the expedition. Yeah, and that's 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.280 that's like another plus. We're doing a Lewis and Clark episode. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.800 Those guys touched like fifteen to twenty states, so there's 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.680 like a lot of school children that have some connection 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.160 to Lewis and Clark. My favorite part about the story 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.040 is Clark's suicide. Mm hm which is only way later. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.600 Why is that your favorite part? Because just how crazy 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.760 you went he was kind of that night was a nut. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.160 It was a crazy night, the night he killed himself. Yeah, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.119 you should say it from when we have the expert 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.120 on the show. Well if he doesn't know about that part, 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.520 oh they will, you think, so that's wildly known. We 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.280 can we can play a little good cop bad cop 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.080 when you have this expert on and you can like 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.040 be like a mountain men And I'd be like, yeah, yeah, 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.320 but this thing, I'll tell you another in another party, 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.159 like about Lewis and Clark expedition. As they found they 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.639 were at a jump site, like a buffalo jump site, 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:15.800 and the wolves were so gorged on meat from under 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.440 the jump site. One of those two, Lewis or Clark 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.200 uh killed one with some kind of trek and pole. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.640 Like Yanni, it sounds like you're talking yourself into it here, 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.760 guy rode in. He was talking. We were talking about 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.520 finding Morrell's by a dumpster the dumpster patch. There's a 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.560 guy staying he's living in his camper for a few 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.520 months and he was parked at his friend's large shop 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.199 that had RV hookups and sewage and whatnot says one 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.760 day he walked out to empty the black tank and 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.879 lo and behold five morral's growing in a cluster of 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:57.080 the game decaying leaves that had collected under the sewer line. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:05.240 Think about that? Would you eat those? No? No morales 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:09.960 are like ecosystems, sponge ees. That's why, like or like 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:11.960 any mushroom in general, Like, there's there's a lot of 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.040 good mushroom picking to be had in highway ditches, but 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.840 those highway ditches are also sprayed with chemicals. So I 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.000 wouldn't recommend that you, like take home a bag of 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.280 shaggy main mushrooms that you found at some intersection out 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.800 in the country. Why because they probably got dallas with 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:34.080 some chemicals. That's not gonna be what kills you. I 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.040 don't know. You're not gonna find so many shaggy main 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.520 mushrooms over the course of such a long period time 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.479 that you get enough toxins from herbicides to kill you. 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.680 This is also kind of specific to shaggy mane because 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.240 they grow in like disturbed aty like soccer field. There's 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.320 images of them of shaggy man's pushing up through asphalt. 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.600 Whoa like you know where the asphalt kind of peters out, 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.359 and this says it has been a sloppy job pushing 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.920 up most great mushroom way cool tastes like a sparag 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:01.879 I just probably wouldn't take went home from like a 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.000 soccer field or a dog park, or a sewage line 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.720 or that. What do you have eaten? The morales found 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.000 near the dumpster? Listen the dumpster morales weren't like they 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.440 just happen to buy the dumpster. It was like, yeah, 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:18.080 you don't think they were. They were like, you know, 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.240 like feeding off of whatever had like you know, coincidental 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.240 leaked into the ground. How many yards are there for 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:27.560 that dumpster? Ten? It was this coincidental? Would you eat 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.200 the sewage morales? Not that we've talked about it? Yes, 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.480 Are you honestly like a sewage morale? You like, are 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.199 you honestly is there ship like in those morales? Oh? 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.280 I don't know. It would be hard to hard to 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:45.679 eat now think about was there not pooping? Yeah? But 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.360 like I don't, I don't know, I don't know how 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:52.280 Like are morels do they work like a plant in 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.600 other words, where they're sucking stuff up in like are 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.520 they using nutrients from the ship, like if you're spreading 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.240 manure on the field, or they actually like, well is 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.400 there's gonna be ship particles in it. It doesn't uptake, 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:09.240 does uptake like it takes new It would uptake a 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:14.320 plant would uptake nutrients from the dukey, yes, not not 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.119 like yeah, but it's like that's everything. It's uptaking nutrients 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.440 from dead stuff. With the way Spencer made it sound 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.119 like ecosystems being seish, it makes it sound like I 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.119 found a squeeze the morale out. It be like a 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:31.160 bunch of ships. Spencer's confusing clams and morels. No morales. Also, 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.040 they like to uh, they like to grow where they're 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.520 stressed out at. So maybe there's something in that sewage 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.239 line that really stressed him out that like how they 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.240 come up after a burn. Yeah, I never heard it 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.800 describe that when it's interesting. Yeah, they were like like 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.600 like a tree dying right like the trigger. Yeah, because 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.840 the fruit we better get out of here. Maybe there 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:56.040 was something in that sewage line that that stressed him 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.720 out to get him to grow. Have you ever heard 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:02.760 the word macro fructation? No, that's a that's a mushroom. 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.240