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Speaker 1: a fine art coffee table book. Left up Old deer Stands, Okay,

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Speaker 1: meat eater. And so we were gonna go and get

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Speaker 1: So far, one thousand, three seventy people have sent in submissions.

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Speaker 1: type into your computer and get zero hits. You're not kidding.

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Speaker 1: I got zero hits when I typed in hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I must be thinking of something different. I might be

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Speaker 1: thinking of absolutely nothing. I feel like you can slam

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Speaker 1: your fist down your keyboard and get results in whatever

428
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Speaker 1: you just tried. You guys, if anyone out there's mind reading,

429
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Speaker 1: and if you need to name a movie or a

430
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Speaker 1: book and you don't want to have to do any

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Speaker 1: legal you don't want to do legal work into I

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Speaker 1: P and you're not stealing anything, call it macro froctation.

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Speaker 1: You will have you will dominate search any of the

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Speaker 1: types of that word, and we'll find your book and

435
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Speaker 1: you can make it mean whatever you want. Yeah, it's

436
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: like that's a great thing for a whole media enterprise.

437
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Speaker 1: You can probably get macro froctation dot com right now

438
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Speaker 1: for like nothing. No one's squatting on that that you

439
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Speaker 1: are l Why don't we slap that on a T shirt?

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Speaker 1: And so I think, Yeah, I learned about macro Froctation

441
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Speaker 1: from the met Eater podcast. Yeah, I think that we

442
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Speaker 1: should started get a shirt, says macro Froctation. I'm gonna, man,

443
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna uh uh. And I like how when

444
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Speaker 1: you were introducing that word, you like, you ever heard

445
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Speaker 1: of this? I don't know, to blow your mind? You

446
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Speaker 1: said no, I'm like, what idiot a macro fructations? God? Man,

447
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: I must have been reading the Old Book, Old wrong Book. Uh.

448
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: A friend of ours and in a listener to the show,

449
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Josh Coots wrote in something that uh, I was interesting.

450
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: So he used to work at a guess ranch in

451
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: Montana and he was the only hunter among the guest

452
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Speaker 1: service staff folks, so any questions that people had about

453
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Speaker 1: hunting would always be directed to him. On one occasion,

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Speaker 1: he meets a guy from Colorado, a gas from Colorado

455
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Speaker 1: who had just completed Hunting Guide School, and Josh has

456
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Speaker 1: this guy told him something he'll never forget. He said

457
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Speaker 1: in Hunting Guide School there was a portion of the

458
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Speaker 1: curriculum designed to teach guides how to pack dead human

459
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: bodies out of the woods. Apparently this is Josh talking.

460
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: There was such a high rate of heart attacks monks

461
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: out of shape. Guided elk hunters at the Guide School

462
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: developed protocols on how to get the bodies out of

463
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Speaker 1: the woods most efficiently. The technique he described as brilliantly simple.

464
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Speaker 1: I'm curious if any of you have heard of this

465
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Speaker 1: or something similar. Okay, while the guy's fresh dead, so

466
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Speaker 1: let me you want to know. Should I stout now?

467
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Speaker 1: I think please continue, because the level of detail here

468
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Speaker 1: is they don't wait till don't wait fresh dead before

469
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: rigger sets in. You drape the recently dead body over

470
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Speaker 1: a large downed log so that the dead person's belly

471
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: is on the log, leaving the legs and arms hanging

472
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: down approximately the same distance on both sides of the log.

473
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: Like picture you're watching the Western and a guy comes

474
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Speaker 1: in to collect the bounty. How he's got him tied

475
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: up there like that? You then wait till the body

476
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Speaker 1: goes into rigor and you have a couple of guys

477
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Speaker 1: lifted up and set it on a horse saddle with

478
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Speaker 1: the belly in the saddle. Then you tie the wrist

479
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: of the ankles underneath the horse's belly. Makes for easy packing,

480
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: he said. I suppose this could be considered a hot

481
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Speaker 1: tip that's like really like molding the body, you know, yeah,

482
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: or did they train you up in that? I can't

483
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Speaker 1: say that's anything I've ever heard of. But again, like

484
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: the level of detail is so weird and it almost

485
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Speaker 1: has to be true, right, Like, but the concerning thing

486
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: is how many bodies were they dealing with to like

487
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Speaker 1: develop this system. Well, way back in a long ago

488
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Speaker 1: episode that we recorded in Arizona, um is either an

489
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Arizona or Sonora, I can't remember. Um, we had a

490
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Speaker 1: guy that a mountain lion biologist. Well, there's a houndsmen

491
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Speaker 1: that we're working with, a mountain laon biologist, and someone

492
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Speaker 1: got a negligent just charged a negligent It's like I'm

493
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Speaker 1: having a flexicle. They got a negligent spencer. What I pause,

494
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Speaker 1: you say, say it negligent discharge of a tranquilizer gun,

495
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Speaker 1: got shot by his own tranquilizer gun, killed him or

496
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Speaker 1: just knocked him out. He got up so bad, he

497
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Speaker 1: was in bad shape. The story went where he got shot,

498
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Speaker 1: I'm trying. The story went that he had they tranked

499
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Speaker 1: a lion and he and they don't want you don't

500
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Speaker 1: want the lion to fall out of the tree and

501
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Speaker 1: get hurt, and the lion fell asleep up in the tree,

502
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: so he's going up to fetch it and then lower

503
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Speaker 1: it down. And also he realized that it's not trained,

504
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Speaker 1: so someone's gonna send up loaded tranquil as they're going

505
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Speaker 1: on a rope. But the way they tied the thing

506
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: or whatever, soon as he put pressure on it, the

507
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: thing shot him. He gets on out of the tree

508
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: and then he's just gone. Meanwhile, the mountain lions up

509
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: there just laughing his ass off, and they packed him

510
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Speaker 1: out on a mule. They didn't know what to do. Well,

511
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Speaker 1: that makes sense. I mean, it's not that the packing

512
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Speaker 1: out thing doesn't make sense. It's just all the little

513
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Speaker 1: steps that they developed to like get the body in

514
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: a certain position and before rigor and but they're packing

515
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: up a certain way. And the other part about the

516
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: story that could be is like it might be that

517
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Speaker 1: it's not like he's looking at the curriculum. Okay, you

518
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: know it's like Tuesday, eight day on breakfast, right and

519
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: then like at noon, you know, how to trust off

520
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Speaker 1: a person. It might be like that they're whatever. They're

521
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: sitting there having sandals, having lunch, and some guys like

522
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I had a guy die one time,

523
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: and here's what I did. By God, that's the way

524
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Speaker 1: to do if that happens you. So they might be

525
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: like that, not that, Um, what's on the schedule today? Yeah,

526
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Chapter three, Section four. So it could be it was

527
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Speaker 1: just conveyed like that. Corey Calkins who works here at

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Speaker 1: me either he was a guide. How many former guides

529
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: around here? Many too many Minnesotans, too many former guides,

530
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys. He was a big game guide

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Speaker 1: in fishing guy, he said before I start. So this

532
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Corey calkinstand before he worked for him the outfit he

533
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: guided for in the Bob Marshall Wilderness area, they had

534
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: to pack out a guy who died of a heart

535
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Speaker 1: attack in his sleep. They rolled him up like a

536
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: banana and a man te tarp and top packed him

537
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: for ten miles. Said they did not wait for rigor

538
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: to set in. He said, was just like packing out

539
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Speaker 1: a large wall tent or a fourteen foot and rs raft.

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Speaker 1: Talk about details. My friend ron Um got on his

541
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Speaker 1: marine radio, picked up a Mayda one time like an

542
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Speaker 1: s OS and went there in a commercial fishing vessel

543
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Speaker 1: had sunk where at at the mouth of at the

544
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Speaker 1: mouth of Sand Bay out in Clarence straight in Alaska,

545
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: went out there and found the body of the fisherman

546
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: and got him up on his landing craft and rolled

547
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Speaker 1: him up in a tarp. And he had a guy

548
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Speaker 1: with him that was very uneasy about. Didn't want to

549
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: like it, was uneasy about being on the boat with

550
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Speaker 1: that man. Later Ron went and found that man's um,

551
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, went through the work of trying to find

552
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: and contact that man's widow and give back, give her

553
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: back some of this dude's possessions. They have rolled him

554
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: up and Tark took him to town. She's Corey said

555
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: he else had another fellow died from dehydration. Oh yeah,

556
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: almost lost another fellow from dehydration. Blacked out and fell

557
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: off his horse. Barely able to revive him because they

558
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: didn't have much water on hand. We draped him over

559
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: the lap of another mounted guide and they quickly trotted

560
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: a quarter m out to the nearest stream he came to,

561
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: and they called life flight to get his ass out

562
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: of the wilderness. They kept the show rolling and the

563
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: guy was released from the hospital the next day. Yanni

564
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: someone asked Johnny the question he says, I never heard

565
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Speaker 1: of it. The only heart attack we had. The guy

566
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Speaker 1: survived and we drove him out of the woods on

567
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: a TV. That old guy like no, no, no no, no, no, no,

568
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: wait till he dies and get a log. All right,

569
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Speaker 1: Now back to uh, toxoplasmosis, the latest wild game eating

570
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: disease that can happen to you. And to cover off

571
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: on toxoplasmosis, we're gonna we're talking about tricking noses from it,

572
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: just because they sound very similar. And then we're gonna

573
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Speaker 1: talk to Danny Bolton, our survivor, a toxico survivor, and

574
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: then we're gonna get some analysis from our resident physician,

575
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Dr Allen Lazara, who you'll remember from our podcast episode

576
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Bleeding Out. And by our account so far, this is

577
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: just people calling in to admit it that episode to

578
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: save four human lives. Four people have said that they

579
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: after listening to that, we're in a situation where they

580
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: had to apply a tourniquet and in the back of

581
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: their head was like, that's right there, guy, I was

582
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: just talking about that, And they did the tourniquet in

583
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: the right place, right pressure, saved lives. So he's a hero,

584
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: an American hero coming right up in a minute. Here,

585
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the hottest new disease. To get

586
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: the hottest new um wild game disease all the cool

587
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: kids got. I want to get toxo plasmosis. I don't

588
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: know how. I like, I went a million years that

589
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: I ever hear in the toxoplasm It's like hip now toxoplasmosis,

590
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: tox tox Yeah, like Mike Rule, like someone and his

591
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: family got tangled up with toxo plasmoses. I think it's

592
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: just related to people um eating more raw stuff all

593
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know when I was a kid

594
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: knowing got it? Is that? Or like Spencer having a

595
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: million cats? You get it from cats? Yeah, I would

596
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: say it's less cool if you get it from like

597
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: a litter box. Is the same thing as cat scratch fever,

598
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: isn't it? I think so? Dr Lazara is toxoplasmosis the

599
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: same thing as cat scratch fever. It's not. You're gonna

600
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: embarrass me. I believe cat scratches pastorrell I gotta look

601
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: that up, but not the same thing scratch. That's also

602
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: a nu jit song, right, Oh yeah, I'm singing it

603
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: right now, dud. That song is one of the greatest

604
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: man Why haven't we used that on the podot No,

605
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: it's no, it's no stranglehold hold on like the second

606
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: best song. I gotta get in your toxico plasmos. It's

607
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: according to the Male Clinic, don't tell us about toxoplasm.

608
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: Most of you've got a whole bunch of experts here. Yeah,

609
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: let's talk about about talking about you talking about hold on,

610
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: listen up. It's a Bartonella infection. Bordadella pertussis. That's whooping cough.

611
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Bartonella is cat scratch fever. It's a back here that

612
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: you get from having your skin scratch or you can

613
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: even be exposed to their they're dander in some ways

614
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: too so, but usually it's a scratch you get on

615
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: your arm, you get limph nodes up your arm um,

616
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: and you get like a cellulitis. Spencer is not Spencer

617
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: shaking his head like he doesn't buy it, Okay, Steve.

618
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: Steve is the one that threw this whole thing off.

619
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Male Clinics website here. Why don't

620
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: you just go to new just website? Now, listen up,

621
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: toxoplasmosa is usually occurs by eating undercooked, contaminated meat, exposure

622
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: from infected cat feces, or mother to child transmission during pregnancy.

623
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: So this is the cat litter disease. That's why my body,

624
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: that's why toxoplasmosis was such a big deal to my

625
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: body is because I think that his his wife got

626
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: it wild pregnant. Yeah, they caused a big scare. Yeah,

627
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: no cats around pregnant women. You guys didn't get that.

628
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: The doctor didn't say, do you have a cat in

629
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: the house? Man, So it's not cat scratch fever? Stroke mind, okay,

630
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: cat litter fever. And so this one is so it's

631
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: not so cool anymore. You like those cats, don't. Spencer

632
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: is definitely gonna get it at some point. It's got

633
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: a cat, but he doesn't. The cat guy says, the

634
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: closet cat. Someone was asking, once you have trick and

635
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: this is the old fashioned thing you get once you

636
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: have trick a nosis, Can you now consume rare bear

637
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: meat with outside effects? They point out bears and ligons

638
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: do yeah to recap um. Uh. Trickon nosis is a

639
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: it's like a It's why your grandmas was worried about

640
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: cooking pork to what you know well done. Nothing's born

641
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: with trick. Aosis like trickin nosis is past from animal

642
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: to animal by eating infected meat. And there's these little

643
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: cysts in the meat. And when you eat the meat,

644
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: your stomach acids dissolved that the shell of that cyst,

645
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: and it liberates this little larva that's living inside there.

646
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: And at larva, larvae, multiple larvae. How do you say that? Larvae?

647
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Larvae they make love in your stomach and produce legions

648
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: of themselves and those burn go like out of your

649
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: digestive track into your bloodstream, scoot through your blood stream

650
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: and then and then burrow through the vascular walls and

651
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: get into your muscle tissue and then set a trap

652
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: for the next thing that eats it. Uh, we had

653
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: that one time. That's not a lot of fun. Uh

654
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: when I say we like a handful of us. No

655
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: one in this room though, right? No? Yeah. I even

656
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: had a shirt made trick, pause it said. But then

657
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: someone pointed out that there's a venereal disease people call

658
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: trick too, So I never wore that shirt. Now I

659
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: noticed on Instagram you said you smoked your bear sausage

660
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: to one fifty. But doesn't the f D a like change.

661
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: The FDA changed their own rules and now if you

662
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: do suvied now it has to do with length of time.

663
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: You could do one thirty five and the suvie if

664
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: you hold it for X number hours. So I did.

665
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: I did one fifty, but held it. My life's in

666
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: your hands, Steve. I just ate like seven slices ye were, Yeah,

667
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: it's it's Germaine because we just were eating black Bear

668
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: of summer sausage. Turned out good, though so delicious, did

669
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: thirty pounds of it? Good Smoke flavor did thirty pounds.

670
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Uh didn't two batches and one of the batches you

671
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: could have had a batche that went to one sixty

672
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: because I got distracted on one of them and let

673
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: it go to one sixty. But yeah, that's all changed.

674
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Clay Knukelem gonna give you earful about that. So we

675
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: went to We had an epidemiologist on quite a long

676
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: time ago. Do you remember the name of that episode

677
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: of KRIN. I highly advised people to go listen to it.

678
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: We covered them dickens out of um food and pathogens

679
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: covered the dickens sicker than Hell episode tim slide, So

680
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: can you get it again? He goes on to say

681
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: some normal stuff that everybody knows. How now it's quite

682
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: rare and commercially raised pork. Trick nose is very rare

683
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: and commercially raised pork in the US. The condition is

684
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: still encountered in North America through other meats, especially game,

685
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: potentially from imported pork. I remember reading that of the

686
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: trick and noses cases in this country are black bear

687
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: m when I was when I had it, I was

688
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: registered with the CDC because it's the CDC reportable disease.

689
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: So I had to have a CDC representative come to

690
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: my house I had. They took a little chunk of

691
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: my bear meat larva per Graham or ounce or something

692
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: like that. Geez, yeah, they took it to a lab

693
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Well, it's funny. I think I've told this.

694
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm can tell again. My brother was getting married and

695
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: he and you know how you have the pre dinner

696
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: for the wedding party. We were doing an all wild game,

697
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: like what's that dinner called pot luck? No at a

698
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: wedding when the wedding party comes for the dinner. Now,

699
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: so I smoked one of this bears hams for the

700
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: rehearsal dinner. But I smoked it plenty safe and I

701
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: told my brother, like, turns out the bear ham I

702
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: made that bear has larva program. I remember realizing whatever

703
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: it was, it had a half million per pound, which

704
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: you could assume most bears happened. Well, and I saw

705
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: a thing one time in two counties in Montana where

706
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: they were doing a study. One of the bears over

707
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: six years of age carry trick nosis. He said, well,

708
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody that, And I said, well, I can't

709
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: not tell him, And he said that don't bring it

710
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: because you could turn everybody off to the whole deal.

711
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: This was a potlock. It sounds like it's a wild

712
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: game dinner. Um. So it goes on to say reinfection

713
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: challenges are probably not done anywhere, the rationale being that

714
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: anyone making the mistake of becoming infected with trick and

715
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: Nella parasites once would not be likely to make the

716
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: same mistake a second time. So the vaccination is being

717
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: investigated as a means to acquire immunity. Yeah, you could

718
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: go get vaccinated and to start eating rare bear meat.

719
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: You know, it makes it makes you think about your

720
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: potential exposure watching all those uh what's that Instagram page?

721
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: You like when you see deer eating dead stuff, squirrels

722
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: eating dead rabbits, Like, your potential exposure is probably more

723
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: than it's got to eat something that ate meat. They

724
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: had a case in a lask where guy's got it

725
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: from walrus, which I thought was strange. But the best

726
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: they can do with the vaccinations, it seems like, uh,

727
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: it reduces the Triconella larval burden and muscle by about

728
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: so kind of like it doesn't even matter. Is better

729
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: protection and nothing, But it still means that the individual

730
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: who has been previously infected will probably still be vulnerable

731
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: the whole body infection following a second exposure to raw

732
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: or undercooked meat from bear bore rat et cetera. Cook

733
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: the meat sausages, et cetera to at least one sixty.

734
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, talked to they, that's old news. They changed it.

735
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: Do you ever notice now, Yeah, they just changed the rules.

736
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: As for other animals, they too can't. They can't induce

737
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: suffer from this type of parasite that needs only the

738
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 1: single deterministic host each cycle. Even horses have been found

739
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: to be a trick and nella haven't eaten dead rats

740
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: minced up in their feed. I my first job and

741
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: our third team was washing dishes at kind of my

742
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: first formal job, like my first forty hour week job

743
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: was washing dishes at a summer camp called Camp Pendaluon

744
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: And we mixed the kool aid and garbage tubs and

745
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: all that food and going to big garbage cans leftovers

746
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: and a hog farmer to come every night and get it.

747
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: And you used to be there, used to be commercial

748
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: like slop restaurant slop would make its way into the

749
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: commercial port production cycle and in all those rats and

750
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: mice eating that slop outside of Camp Pendaluan would wind

751
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: up getting fed to hogs. But now they have like

752
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: this whole closed system is why they got it out

753
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: of domestic pork. But a lot, a lot of stuff,

754
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: like he says here, a lot of stuff ends up

755
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: in horse hay when it's getting bailed, like gets killed

756
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: while it's getting mode, then gets wrapped up in a bail.

757
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: We used to find all the kinds of stuff, snakes,

758
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: and we had a guy sending a picture that was

759
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: a vawn wrapped up in a bail I've seen that before.

760
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: All right, Danny Bolton, we know Danny because we're just fling.

761
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: We were filming in Hawaii. We hung out with Danny

762
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: uh and he was telling us that he was just

763
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: still recovering from a harrowing encountered with toxic plasmosis, Yes, sir,

764
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: which he got off kind of off wild game. But first, Danny,

765
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: tell everybody what you do for a living. This is

766
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: the kind of job that makes that makes me way

767
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: ask jealous, and I bet it makes everybody jealous. Yeah.

768
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: So I did a lot of driving instructing and it's

769
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: turned into I have an off road driving background. I

770
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: used to race off road and I called my friends.

771
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: They train a bunch of military special forces guys and

772
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: they had out in the desert for a week. And

773
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: so I've been working with them do a bunch of

774
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: Air Force uh pjs and Navy Seals and a bunch

775
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: of other military and government programs and teaching them how

776
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: to baha, teach them how to drive off road, teach

777
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: them how to how do not break stuff if they

778
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: encounter certain obstacles, how to get over it and use

779
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: a winch. And it's for days, self supported, bring all

780
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: our own gas, all our own water. We camp out there. UM,

781
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: teach them how to weld with car batteries, so in

782
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: case we break something needed weld something. Um, we can

783
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: do that out there. So yeah, it's it's a fun

784
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: job for sure. It's uh, it's good for the soul

785
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: because you feel like you're passing on that knowledge to

786
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: people who are actually going to use it. Now, could

787
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: a guy like me, I don't want to give people ideas,

788
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: not like me? Could I go on that trip with

789
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: you sometimes? Yeah? So yeah, you got my number, Steve. Okay,

790
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: we're hanging on Hawaii. You were still sick and you

791
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: were wondering what the hell had happened to you, And

792
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: while we were there, you found out. Now, tell the tell,

793
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: the tell, your little saga. Start with what you were

794
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: Start with your hunting trip. Okay, So I didn't find

795
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: out until like a week after you had left, which

796
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: had been like three weeks after being sick. So basically

797
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: what happened was is that you guys were coming out

798
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: and we were going to film that whole thing. I

799
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: knew we were gonna hunt goats, and then camp chef

800
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: had sent out that pellet grill, so I was like, okay, cool, um,

801
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: maybe we could use this thing. And I was thinking, Okay,

802
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try and make some jerky on that thing.

803
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: So I went and shot a goat about a week

804
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: before you guys were going to arrive. Explain what you

805
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: mean by a goat, Like you mean like a goat? Yeah,

806
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: just a wild goat. Why is like lots of just

807
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: feral goats. He doesn't mean like a mountain goat or

808
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: an antelope. He means like a goat. Yeah, like they

809
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: call him Spanish goats or ibex um. They're not really

810
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: ibex but um Yeah, they're just feral fareral goats that

811
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: are all over the island. It's it's kind of like

812
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: white tail. I guess in the East you see them

813
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: pretty frequently. And you guys saw him just driving around

814
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: on the roads. You see him on the side of

815
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: the roads and like that. So I went hunting, got

816
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: got this goat, and I was like, kay, cool, I'm

817
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna make some make some jerky on this this pellet

818
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: grill and see how that turns out. So I'm hanging

819
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: out with my friend Bart. We're cutting this goat meat

820
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: up into these like little nice, perfect basically like little

821
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: shushimi slices. You know. I was trying to cut it

822
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: as thin as possible so that it wasn't chewy. And

823
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: as we're cutting it, it just looks so beautiful. And

824
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people who eat deer meat, and

825
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: I've eaten elk meat raw, and I know you're not

826
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: supposed to eat pigs and bears raw, but I didn't.

827
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: I didn't really put goats into that category, even though

828
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: I get laughed at of friends now that are like, what,

829
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe you ate that raw, you know. So anyway,

830
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: cutting this stuff up into these little slices for jerky,

831
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, let's get the soy sauce

832
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: and with sabie out and we'll just eat a couple

833
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: of these pieces, just like you would, you know, ah

834
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: hi's shashimi. So that's really where it came from with

835
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: eating it raw, and uh, I really we ate it.

836
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: It was good, you know, with the soy sauce and

837
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: the sabi, it it kind of masks some of the

838
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: flavor because it's so strong, and it basically tasted like fish.

839
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: It was a little bit more chewy, but it wasn't

840
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: as chew as you would think, So we ate it.

841
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: I ate about four pieces, which is probably about a

842
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: little more in a tablespoon. And then my friend bart

843
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: same thing. He ate like four pieces. So we're like, okay, cool,

844
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: you know. And my wife was there and I almost

845
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: wish he wasn't so she couldn't say this, But she's like, man,

846
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: you guys shouldn't eat that. She's like looking at it

847
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: as like I don't know if i'd eat that, dude,

848
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: that gives her a lifetime of material. Oh yeah, She's

849
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: like I told you, you know. And then my brother

850
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: in law comes up as well. You know. I feel

851
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: horrible about this because I kind of pure pressure at him.

852
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, come have a piece. He's like no, no, yeah,

853
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: He's all no, no, I'm allergic to a sabi. And

854
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no problem. I got apple cider

855
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: vinegar right here. I'll just douse it with that. So like,

856
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I douse a piece with that and I give it

857
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: to him. So he eats one piece. I'm talking like

858
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: small little shashimi slice piece. It's okay, ate it done. Next.

859
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: I kind of had in my head like who knows,

860
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: like if I'm puking tonight. Whatever, I'll get it out

861
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: next day. I'm feeling fine, so I'm like, cool, you know,

862
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I may I made it clear and uh. Then about

863
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: three days later, I got leg pains, kind of like

864
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: as if I ran a couple of miles the day before,

865
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: you know. The next day, I was actually talked to you, Steve.

866
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: That day, I talked to you on the phone before

867
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: you guys came out and I was headed out on

868
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: the boat that day. I was starting to feel a

869
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: little weird, and then that evening I got body aches

870
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: real bad and I got chills. But the weird thing

871
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: about that day is I had bought some plate lunch

872
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: the day before, and I brought it with me to

873
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: take it with me fishing, and I threw it in

874
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: the dashboard of the truck and we ended up working

875
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: and not going fishing until later in the afternoon. And

876
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: I didn't get to eat that like fried chicken until

877
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: like two o'clock in the afternoon after sat in the

878
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: dash So when I got sick that night, I was like, oh,

879
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: that chicken was no good, you know, And it had like,

880
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, the mac salad with the tuna, and night

881
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: threw you off. That threw you off the trail, man,

882
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: it threw me off the trail. So that night when

883
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: I got sick, I was like that that was no good.

884
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: I should definitely not have eaten that. After sat in

885
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: the dash, I thought I got sick from that. So

886
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: that next day I was body aches and over that

887
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: night to body aches and the chills. The chills are

888
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: probably the worst. And my skin was kind of sensitive

889
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: to and uh, just sensitive to temperature. You know, like

890
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: if my arm would be sticking out of the blanket,

891
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, that's cold out there, you know,

892
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: I'd have to cover it up. And so, knowing that

893
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: we were going to be filming in two days, I

894
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna just I'm gonna lay here and

895
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: try to get better and just drink a bunch of

896
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: liquids and try to heal up. So I spent two

897
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: days in bed before you guys showed up, just feeling horrible.

898
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: And then once we needed to start filming, and the

899
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: first the first couple of days of filming, I was

900
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: just on the camera boat. So I was taking Thailand

901
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: all and ad like. Once I started taking Thailand all

902
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: and advil, it was actually pretty manageable, and honestly, I've

903
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: never had Thailand all or adval work so good. Like

904
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: my body aches not completely disappeared, but from what they

905
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: were without the drugs. It took the body aches away

906
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: big time, and then the chills too. Once the drugs

907
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: started to wear off, Like at night, I tried not

908
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: use them because I didn't want to be overloading my

909
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: system with him, and then the body aches and chills

910
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: and stuff, it all kicked back in. Really at night

911
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: was the worst, and I was taking hot showers, like

912
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, like cooking hot showers.

913
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: After those two days of filming, I got home one

914
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: day super I didn't take any Thailand or stuff because

915
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna try wean off it. That night, you know,

916
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I started getting real hot feeling and almost like I

917
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: was gonna pass out. I got real bad cotton mouth,

918
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: and I knew I had a temperature because I could

919
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: feel my body just cooking. Check my temperature, and that

920
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: baby went from it just went one hundred, one oh one,

921
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: one oh two, one oh three, and it started creeping

922
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: up through like one or three point four, one or

923
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: three point five, and I just I just pulled it

924
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: out at that point, it wouldn't beat you know, like

925
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, you stick it in it deeps, dude, this

926
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: thing was just going up and up and it was

927
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: in there for like five minutes. Started smoking, yeah, and

928
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, just get out of my mouth already, like

929
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: three point five one or three point five. I was like,

930
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: let's just go. I needed little hospital because I got

931
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: this fever now, so I need to figure out what

932
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with me. So we went to

933
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: the hospital. I was telling him, hey, okay, the only

934
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: thing out of my ordinary day was I ate this

935
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: raw goat meat. At this point, it had been like

936
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: over a week ago, so he's asking me questions about it. Okay,

937
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, did you throw up? Uh, did you have diarrhea?

938
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: You know all these other questions. And since I didn't

939
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: have since I didn't, this is what I concluded was

940
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: since I didn't throw up and have diarrhea, he kind

941
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: of like blew it off. That's the way I took it.

942
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: And UM didn't really test me for because I wanted

943
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: to get tested for all kinds of stuff right there.

944
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I was thinking trigonosis and um whatever

945
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: else you can get from raw goat meat. You know

946
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really check me too much. Gets me the two

947
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: i VS. They took an X ray of my chest. Um,

948
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: they said my lungs had some a little bit of

949
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: inflammation and stuff, but nothing nothing major, so they gave

950
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: me the two i v s. Actually started feeling better

951
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: from the i VS and I got my temperature down

952
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: with some time. All they give me through the i

953
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: V and then sent me home that night. The next day,

954
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm feeling better and just still tired in. My body's

955
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: pretty much drained and muscles are sore, but other than that,

956
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: I started feeling better, so we kept filming and um,

957
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: two days later we were hunting goats. Remember I got

958
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: that text from my sister. I had to take gask

959
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: On to the hospital last night at like three in

960
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: the morning with chest pain, and because he was he

961
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: was sick for at that point like five days, but

962
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: then it got worse and you had this chest pain.

963
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: So she takes him to the hospital. And I also

964
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: had like this chest pain when I was going through

965
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: my body aches, and especially had breathed in deep in

966
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: my back with her and then my lungs. It almost

967
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: make me want to cough a little bit. Um, I

968
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: just equated it with like body aches all over, you know.

969
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: I was just miserable all over. But since he went

970
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: in with chest pain, the hospitals like, oh, we gotta

971
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: check you out, you know. So they do an X

972
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: ray and he's got heart in flamy nation like the

973
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: heart the heart stack, you know, there's a name for it,

974
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: but that's inflamed. They think it's, uh, Bruce ella. That's

975
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: what they thought it was, so that's what they started

976
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: him on antibotics. So I'm like, perfect, They're going to

977
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: figure out what it is and then I'm going to

978
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: get the antibiotics for it. Since he was on those antibiotics,

979
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: they kept him in the hospital for three days, same thing.

980
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: He kind of naturally started filming better after three days

981
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: and they did the blood culture. They found out it

982
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: wasn't Bruce Ella, and he kind of naturally started getting better.

983
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: So he he got at a hospital and then that's uh,

984
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: that's as much as as far as the sickness went.

985
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: It kind of drug on for a while. But after

986
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: we stopped filming Steve that after the day we finished

987
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: cooking at my house. That next day, I went in

988
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: and got tested for everything because I didn't know if

989
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: it was gonna last, you know, I was like, man,

990
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: the thing is gonna flare back up. I gotta know

991
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on with me. And I

992
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: had told him like, hey, I want to get tested

993
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: for everything that has to do with raw go meat.

994
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: So that I go in and they poked both my arms.

995
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: They feel like ten tubes up with blood. They give

996
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: me a urine sample I had to give them, and

997
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: then these three stool samples I had to do, and

998
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: so I was like perfect, but I was kind of

999
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: laughing because the day before we had eaten goat curry

1000
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: and raw fish. That's all. That's all I ate that

1001
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: day before. I was like, oh man, this thing is

1002
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: gonna be laced with all kinds of goodies. So I

1003
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: do the stool sample and uh, I don't know if

1004
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: you've ever done those stool samples, but it's like the

1005
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: two of them, it's got liquid in it already. Yeah

1006
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: cowboy hand, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. So they give

1007
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: you the plastic thing. You turned the plastic thing, but

1008
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: it's not very deep, so you kind of gotta like

1009
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: lift off to make sure you don't like stack it up,

1010
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: and you gotta let it drop in there, get them

1011
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: all filled up by go return them. And at that point,

1012
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: all kinds of tests started coming back through my email,

1013
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know, you know, I'm not a doctor,

1014
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: like all these checking all these proteins and all this stuff,

1015
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: so I didn't really no. But then the toxico plasmosis

1016
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: one came up and it says it didn't tell me yet,

1017
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: but I got the result. What it says is it's

1018
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: got these ranges that you're supposed to be in, and

1019
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: it says anything under eight is negative, from eight to

1020
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: ten is normal, and then anything above ten is positive.

1021
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: And mine came back at nine three point six. So

1022
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that that looks about right. I

1023
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: think that's what it is. That's gotta be that's gotta

1024
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: be it. So yeah, that's when that's when I found out.

1025
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: And that wasn't until like a week after you guys

1026
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: had left, which has been like three weeks. And then

1027
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: telling people about it. My one friends like oh, Joe

1028
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: Rogan had somebody on and they talked about it for

1029
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes and listen to that and there's some

1030
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, you know. That's when I found out about

1031
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: the whole cats and how it breeds in cats or

1032
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: whatever and that's where it comes from. And then they

1033
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: poop and the goat must have ate some grass that

1034
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: the cat poop was on or something, you know. But

1035
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: here's the crazy thing too, is that my I was

1036
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: telling my uncle about it and he was talking about

1037
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: these fever dreams um and I remember I was like, oh, man,

1038
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: when I was sick, because like I said that the

1039
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: nights were worse. I was having these dreams that I

1040
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: had these leopard spots all over me and they were

1041
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: like illuminating on the spark on the muscles that were

1042
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: in pain, like my legs and stuff, and I'm tripping out.

1043
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: I'd wake up. I'd be like, old, that was weird,

1044
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, go pee or something, and when I go

1045
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: laid back down, I'd go right back into that same dream.

1046
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: And that happened for two nights. Yeah, I went like

1047
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: in the peak of being sick, so I was tripping out.

1048
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: And then when I found out about this thing coming

1049
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: from cats and then having these leopard spot dreams, I

1050
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: was I was tripping. Dude, that's cat scratch fever right there.

1051
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: What he said, scratch fever, Dude, doctors are layout the

1052
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: situation on toxic plasmosis. So just to preface this with, um,

1053
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: so I'm an e ER doctor and definitely not a

1054
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: I D. Doctor. But one thing that your doctors are

1055
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Speaker 1: really good at is it we know a little bit

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Speaker 1: about a lot of things, and we're super good at

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Speaker 1: looking things up really quickly to sound smart and confident. So, um,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what I mean. This is like medical

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01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: school stuff. You never go say like, hey, I was

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Speaker 1: just looking it up. Oh you call you guys coming

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01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: and act like you knew all along. You're like, I'll

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Speaker 1: be I'll be right back, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's going out to google it. He's gonna come back

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Speaker 1: and act like he knew. I've had a minute to

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Speaker 1: think about this. It's not just the are doctors, it's

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Speaker 1: all doctors are doing that, all right, So Google is amazing, right,

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, so here's the thing is that

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Speaker 1: So just so you don't think that all doctors are

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Speaker 1: just using the Internet. But it's like your peripheral brain,

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Speaker 1: it's there, you know what it is. And I can

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Speaker 1: go through Wikipedia, which is a wonderful resource. You can

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Speaker 1: go through it and you go like, oh, I remember

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Speaker 1: that medical school. I remember that part um, So you're

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Speaker 1: not just you know, doing it day novo, You're just

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Speaker 1: recharging your brain. So I gotta I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. Alan. Yeah, when I had

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Speaker 1: trick nosis, I had already spoken with the state epidemiologist

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Speaker 1: in Alaska. I had already gone down and told him

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Speaker 1: how I was real sick. And I think that I

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Speaker 1: knew what I had. They sent me home not believing me.

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Speaker 1: M hm. My brother had gone was like go beer

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Speaker 1: drinking with the state epidemiologist in Alaska. He's like, we'll

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Speaker 1: call him. I called him and they do with a

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Speaker 1: lot it up there because they're eating a lot of

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Speaker 1: bear meat. Yeah, I call him like it was a

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01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: month ago for of us all got it. We were

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01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: eating rare bear meat. He's like, you have tricked noses.

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Speaker 1: Go back down to the doctor, tell him to call me.

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for his call. Yeah. I go down. I said, listen, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to like tell you a bunch of

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01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: ship about what's going on. Me. Yeah, Caul this number.

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: He looked at me like I'm nuts. He goes, well,

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm here with you, and he's way up there and

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01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, just call the guy. So he eventually agrees

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Speaker 1: to call him, but won't call him in my presence,

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01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: no leaves the room. I know he would and call him,

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01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: comes back and goes. As soon as you have trick noses,

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Speaker 1: I'm like Dank's buddy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a little

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01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: bit of hubris to have to I learned that early

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Speaker 1: on in my career. If some a family member comes

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Speaker 1: in as like I need you to call so and so,

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Speaker 1: you call that person because otherwise you and if you're

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: because if you're wrong, then you're an ass, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you're in a big amount of trouble.

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Speaker 1: So it's always better to take all the input and

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Speaker 1: just be like, okay, will you know, let's listen and

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01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: get all the points. But yeah, that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: common thing. So I'm glad he listened to you or

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Speaker 1: your your friend. So um so toxo um toxoplasmosis. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's an obligate inter cellular protozoan organism. So it's a small,

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01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: single celled, microscopic animal which includes things like amba's and

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Speaker 1: spore zones and other different forms. It's a parasite and

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Speaker 1: the they say, the obligate UM like end of the

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Speaker 1: line host is the cat. So, uh, the cat will

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Speaker 1: get this in its gut, it will poop it out,

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Speaker 1: and small animals like birds and rodents will somehow get

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Speaker 1: the feces from eating whatever's on the ground. You say,

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Speaker 1: I mean it has to go through a cat. It

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Speaker 1: has to be in the cat ultimately, Yeah, to to

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Speaker 1: be able to replicate um in. Uh. It's like spreading form.

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Speaker 1: It wants to get into the cat to to to

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Speaker 1: humanize it or two anthropomorphizes the single celled organism. It

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Speaker 1: wants to be in the cat's gut and it wants

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Speaker 1: to get pooped out to spread. Hey, Alan, Alan, are

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Speaker 1: we talking just domestic cats or could we be talking

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Speaker 1: about you know, bobcats or mountain lions? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but if I had to make a guess,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably say all felines because it says UM from

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Speaker 1: the CDC website. It says from the family Fela day

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Speaker 1: So uh so domestic cats and their relatives, So I

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Speaker 1: presume bobcats is probably I mean they're part of the

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Speaker 1: feeline family. Yeah. I read that leopards and stuff can

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Speaker 1: have it and other cats. Yeah, and how things evolved. So, Danny,

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about? That that guy that um you

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Speaker 1: watch on Joe Rogan, he had a lot of really

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Speaker 1: interesting things to say. He was like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's epidemiologist or i D doc or what, but

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Speaker 1: he went to a lot of detail about this uh

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Speaker 1: parasitic relationship and how things evolved together. Um, it's so

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Speaker 1: complicated over millennia, like how and why it shows the

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: cat not sure, but anyway, so it can also get

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Speaker 1: into domestic animals like pigs and sheep. Um. Ultimately, humans

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Speaker 1: get it from either eating undercooked raw meat UH containing

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Speaker 1: the cists or drinking water or eating domestic animals that

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Speaker 1: have been exposed to it. One of the two guys

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Speaker 1: point before you can get it from handling a cat

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Speaker 1: litter box. Um. And like when we had kids, I

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Speaker 1: love domestic animals, but we got rid of our cats.

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Speaker 1: We adopted them out whatever the term is, gave them

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Speaker 1: away to somebody else because I didn't want to I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to expose my wife and I also didn't

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Speaker 1: want to do the litter box for the next like

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Speaker 1: five years. So it was like time for the cats

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Speaker 1: to go. There's a way out, buddy. Yeah, I gotta

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Speaker 1: get rid of the cat. Yeah, for sure, it's not

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Speaker 1: worth it. So it's that it's that a cat, So

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm getting this. Like it's

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Speaker 1: in the cat as to go through the cat. It's

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Speaker 1: in the cat's gut, it's in the cats ship. But

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Speaker 1: a go has to eat something laying on catship or

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Speaker 1: the cat poop is in the soil, and the cysts

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Speaker 1: are in the soil. So the when the cat poops,

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Speaker 1: these o sis, which are not um like spirelated or

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Speaker 1: active infective cysts, come out into the poop and then

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Speaker 1: they mature in the ground and then they become effective

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Speaker 1: over like a couple of days. And then the rodents

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Speaker 1: or birds come by and consume whatever is on the ground,

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Speaker 1: and then they become infected, and then the cat will

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Speaker 1: eat those rodents and birds, and then the cycle continues.

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Speaker 1: Um and if a human steps in there somewhere eats

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Speaker 1: the bird, or you know, drops their granola bar on

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Speaker 1: the ground when they're hiking or something like that. But

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Speaker 1: you know, we're exposed to all sorts of pathogens when

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Speaker 1: we're walking around all day long. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: guys ever, that's a tangent. But the War of the worlds,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean the like how the aliens ultimately

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Speaker 1: get defeated because of like the bacteria that they can't handle.

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Speaker 1: But we're exposed to it all the time, you know,

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: We're exposed to bacteria, viruses, pathogens on the daily and

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Speaker 1: wars and wells, the aliens and the oars and wells

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Speaker 1: that they catch a colden. I'm pretty sure, right, remember

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Speaker 1: what was that? What was that? What was that alien

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01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: invasion movie where they realized that yodeling kills them. They

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: would play Slim Whitman's play Slim Whitman's Indian love call

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: to kill him, that this can't be real, no Mars attacks. Oh,

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01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: realized that Slim Slim Whitman music would kill him in

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Speaker 1: the ring? Isn't it water that does the tricks? Signs? Signs?

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Speaker 1: Is the water? Yeah? Yeah, it was um calling you

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Speaker 1: that's a great yeah. So uh so, So back to trichinosis.

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Speaker 1: So somebody was saying earlier, Um, I can't remember who

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Speaker 1: said it, but like, what's the prevalence or like how

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Speaker 1: many people have been infected by They think that the

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Speaker 1: serial prevalence in the United States is about twenty um.

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Speaker 1: But it varies throughout the world, and in particularly it

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Speaker 1: varies in in societies and countries that have less stringent

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Speaker 1: you know, food safety practices, less um clean water, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So in countries in South America, like in Brazil, they

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Speaker 1: think about sevent people have been exposed to toxoplasmosis is

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Speaker 1: just have it in the yeah, so, but he's still

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Speaker 1: the United States, it's still pretty high. When I was

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Speaker 1: going through the trick gnosis thing, I had a call

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Speaker 1: with someone who had been in the Peace Corps. She

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Speaker 1: had been a doctor with the Peace Corps MHM, and

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Speaker 1: she told me that in a lot of villages when

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Speaker 1: they would go into the congo, they would just come

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Speaker 1: in and without asking anyone about symptomology, and they would

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Speaker 1: come in and and deworm everybody. It was just understood

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Speaker 1: that they were It was just understood that they were there.

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Speaker 1: They were carriers and probably stuff ring that it was.

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Speaker 1: It was, it was pervasive. I think that we as

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Speaker 1: a society don't have as much of an understanding of

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: how different things were like a hundred years ago or

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Speaker 1: two d years ago, and we didn't have indoor plumbing,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't have water treatment plants, etcetera. Like, the

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Speaker 1: biggest movements forward in increasing human lifespan have been in

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Speaker 1: the structural implements in society like indoor plumbing, clean water,

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Speaker 1: the development of antibiotics, like all these things have increased

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Speaker 1: our lifespans by years because infectious disease was the number

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Speaker 1: one killer UM in UH in humans up until the

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Speaker 1: advent of antibiotics, and then I think trauma as well.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so yeah, I would you know, people are

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Speaker 1: pooping where they're eating pretty much in close proximity, so um,

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Speaker 1: and that's just an unfortunate thing. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate my toilet. So yeah, so I did have

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Speaker 1: the state department had to call me and because they

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Speaker 1: got reported that I had toxo pasmosis, I don't how

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Speaker 1: to do this whole report with the department Department of Health.

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Speaker 1: And they did the whole report and then I asked her.

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, how common is this? You know?

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Speaker 1: And she didn't have numbers super recent, but she had

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, there were seven cases on just Our Island.

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Speaker 1: Two seventeen there's four cases. Two thousand sixteen, there was

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Speaker 1: eleven cases on just Our island of toxo pasmosis. She

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Speaker 1: she didn't say how they got it. You know, it

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Speaker 1: could have just been someone with dirty hands preparing food

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Speaker 1: or something. But yeah, um, but I was the first

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Speaker 1: case this year. Just like, you know, congratulations. One last

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Speaker 1: thing about taxos, so it should be it should be

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: said most people who contracted have like nine percent of

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: people have no symptoms. And Danny's unique because he has this,

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Speaker 1: he probably would have had. They say, it's an acute

1242
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: self limited infection and like a healthy host. And the

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Speaker 1: most common clinical presentation is people developed lymph nodes in

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01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: their neck that are non tender and they're large on

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: both sides. And then people get these my allergies or

1246
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: body aches, fever, sweating, headaches, sometimes a rash, but most

1247
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: people have no symptoms and it passes without any problem.

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Speaker 1: The people that you really worry about are pregnant women

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01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: and immune compromise people, so people who have HIV, people

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01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: who are really unhealthy, cancer, rheumatory atritists, etcetera. Um, those people,

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01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: they're most common presentation aside from pregnant women have central

1252
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: nervous system symptoms where the taxos in their brain and

1253
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: they end up showing up with like seizures in uh

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01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: focal neurodeficits and headaches and stuff, and it's it's really

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Speaker 1: scary for them. They'll have to be on treatment for

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Speaker 1: the rest of their life if they survived the the

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,799
Speaker 1: illness initially. So, Danny, I got one last question for you. Yeah, buddy,

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Speaker 1: do you you don't have a cat? Right? No cats? Dude?

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Speaker 1: So you weren't like screwing around the litter box or something, Dude,

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Speaker 1: I was not. I call it catch it itis, dude.

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: That's what I've been calling this scene. The goat the

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: goats disease or cash it itis. All. Thanks a lot, man,

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01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. When when you come to next

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: time you're in the US, will have we'll come down

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: and talk spear fishing. Sorry, you know the mainland. Yeah,

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01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: I'll bring the goat state and all that garbage. Listen, man,

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01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: my flanks last state stars on it mainland. All right,

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: All know what what we guys? You want to ask

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01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: you question? This is for Yanni because Yanni has been

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: wanting to have uh some some information about when you're

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: shooting guns in your ears go bad over time. So

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: we're shooting experiment with different suppressors the other day and

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: it kind of led to this conversation about what exactly

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01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: is going on in your ears when you shoot guns

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01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: a lot? And can you explain what happens? Like I

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: had someone Clay nucom uh recently gave this to me

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: by shooting too close to my ear. When someone shoots

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: real close to your ear, like in a duck blind

1279
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, and all of a sudden you get that WHOA,

1280
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: what has happened to your ear? So, um, this is

1281
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 1: a really interesting question and very relevant for everybody. Uh

1282
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, listening to podcast. So what happens

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: is when a gun goes off, there is a sound

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01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: wave or an explosion, and a sound wave that slams

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01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: into your um tympanic membrane, which is in your middle ear.

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: So the ear's broken into three pieces. There's the outer ear,

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: this part you can touch on the side you had

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: called a pinna your ear canal bugs get stuck in there,

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01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: the middle ear, which is your tympanic membrane, and then

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01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: the osticle chain of these tiny bones which are the

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01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: tiniest in your body that then vibrate and touch the

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: inner ear in the interer ear, there's a structure called

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01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: the cochlea UM and the semi circular canals. The cochlea

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,520
Speaker 1: is what processes that sound wave and those vibrations into

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: electrical signals going down the vestibular cocular nerve into your

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: brain into like your temporal prietal lobe, and then you

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01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: perceive sound or you hear um. And so when you

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01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: hear that ringing, that ringing is called tinatus or some

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: people say tenitus um. Tintus is the perception of um,

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: the perception of sound in the absence of external auditory stimulus.

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01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: So you're hearing something that's not necessarily there. So the

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01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: sound wave has gone away, but you're still hearing that

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 1: ringing UM. And so tinatus can be temporary or permanent,

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01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: especially if people are exposed to a lot of like

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, uh, significant high end noise. But it can also,

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01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: I was reading, can happen from like explosions UM and

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: a single you know experience where somebody gets a super

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01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: high amount of decibels or they you know, they blow

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01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: their ear drum UM. So that tinaedus is essentially the

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: little hairs inside the cochlea that that are vibrating back

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01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: and forth and and translating that vibration of the sound

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01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: wave of intelectrical signals. It's those little hairs that are

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01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: dying um and or being overly stimulated. So like I

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01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: remember going to a concerts when I was younger, and

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: I didn't wear any ear protection at all, and I

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: would walk out of the concert and all I had

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: for two or three hours was that tinatus or that

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01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: ringing in my ears. Thankfully it went away, But after,

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01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, learning in medical school, I realized that my

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: inner ear was essentially dying after going to like a

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01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: rock concert, so I started wearing earplugs. Um So that's

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01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: pretty much it. Well, why is it that now? And

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01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: then you'll be laying in bed like this happens to

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01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: me now, laying in bed, and all of a sudden,

1325
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: there it is right. And at first you look around

1326
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: the house, do you think something in the house is

1327
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: going on? Like, it's not related to someone blasting a

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: gun off next your head. Sure, So when you get

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: exposed to h loud noises um So noises are rated

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: in decibels um and the threshold of pain the scale

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01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: goes from zero to a hundred forty forty is like

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01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: the threshold of pain for a human. A shotgun blast

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01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: is around at but you know, different kinds of guns

1334
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: with shorter barrels and bigger barrels can be louder than that. UM.

1335
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: When you get exposed to high decibel sounds, you can

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01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: have permanent damage to those co Clear nerve cells. And

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: why it all of a sudden ticks off in the

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01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: middle of night, I'm not really sure. But all of us,

1339
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: because of the way we live with our ear earbuds

1340
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 1: and the stuff we're exposed to in our jobs and

1341
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: your advocational things with shooting, we all probably have some

1342
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: degree of co clear hair cell damage. UM. And the

1343
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: cells that are taking the signal from the hairs also

1344
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: get damaged, and so they can get extra excited even

1345
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: without stimulation, and so they just they just fire off.

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01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: And that's the tindatus that's happening. UM. And they say

1347
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: I was reading before that most tinadas will self resolve

1348
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:24,440
Speaker 1: on its own. UM. I think between like twenty resolves

1349
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: on its own. So it's hard to you know, it's

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01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: not really a very well treatable thing. A lot of

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01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: people struggle with depression from it or feel like they're

1352
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 1: going crazy. They've even associated tendais with suicides, um depression, anxiety,

1353
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: sleep disorders because it's extremely disturbing. Like, most people don't

1354
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: care as much about losing their hearing, but they care

1355
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: a lot about having tinatus that's chronically happening because it's

1356
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:55,839
Speaker 1: it's so disturbing. So once hair inner ear hair cells

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01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: have been killed, there's no regeneration of anything, right, So

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01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: it's like ten shotgun blast near my head will produce

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01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 1: x amount of damage and that's it, and then it'll

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01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: just it's kind of a downward spiral. Yeah. Humans, So

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01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: I read somewhere else that humans don't regenerate those cells

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01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: as well as like other animals do. But most animals

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01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: aren't exposed to super high noises like we are in

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: the same same way either, But humans are unique in

1365
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: the sense that we don't we don't really regenerate those cells. Ironically,

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01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: everybody ends up losing some of their hearing as they age.

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01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: It's called presbycusis. And when Steville, you guys will all

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01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: appreciate this, but they say that men tend to lose

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01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: the higher pitched sounds and women tend to lose the

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01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: lower pitch sounds. So as we age. Essentially we are

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01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: like our partners over time. What did you say already? Yeah,

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01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: I think we all do in some ways. Yeah, so,

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01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, the cells don't. I sent Currents some pictures

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: and it kind of looks like a um, you know,

1375
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: like somebody smushed a bunch of little tiny fingers down

1376
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: and like a bomb went off, you know, in these

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01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: electron microscope photographs. So yeah, and one other thing I read.

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01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: So one other thing I read. So I pulled up

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01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: a couple of studies in UM and one of these

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01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: studies was based in Greece, and they looked at like

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01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: a hundred military guys that have been exposed to gunfire

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01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: anywhere from like one to a thousand rounds light versus

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01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: heavy heavy arms, and they had most of the patients

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: in the study were right handed. They're like nine of

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: them were right handed. And they found that most of

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01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: the most of the tenais that people were experiencing was

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01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: in their left ear. So if you're you know, if

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01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: you're a right handed shooter, you've got your right ear

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01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: down on your shoulder, down on the butt of the gun.

1390
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: Your left ear is more exposed to that sound wave.

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01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: So they're thinking that like the right ears protected, and

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01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: I like the term. They call it an acoustic shadow

1393
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: next to your shoulders, so you're right ear is more

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: protected than your left. I thought that was an interesting fact.

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01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: And when I when I went to an audiologist and

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01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: he was looking at what ear, I can't hember what

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01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,799
Speaker 1: it was because I'm left handed. Anyways, he was puzzled

1398
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: by the fact that the ear that I had damaged

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01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: was the one I had damaged until he realized that

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01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: I was left handed. He's like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah,

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01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: He's like, normally we see this in people's whatever the

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01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: hell are here left ear? Yeah, I guess, yet another

1403
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: unique thing. So the degree of tenadus doesn't always associate

1404
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: with the amount of like hearing impairments, So you can

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01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: have like still pretty good hearing and still have still

1406
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: be uh, you know, a victim of this tenadus. And

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01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: one of the thing I read, one of the most

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01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: common injuries are The most common injury in the Iraq

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01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: War was ear injuries because of the soldiers being exposed

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01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: to you know, gunfire and loud noises, um. And it's

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01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: quite common in the general population as well, about like

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01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty people per a hundred thousand people

1413
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: experienced tentatives, so it's fairly common. Got it. The last

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01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: thing I found was UM. I found an article from

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01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: American Speech and Language Association on suppressors. I know, you

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: guys are talking about earlier, and they were just talking

1417
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: about hearing protection and saying that you know, even though

1418
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: you put a suppressor on your firearm, you should still

1419
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: be wearing UM ear protection because the suppression only drops

1420
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: the noise level by like twenty to thirty decibels UM.

1421
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, if some of these firearms are

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: producing sounds greater than a hundred forty, then you're still

1423
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: in a fairly loud sound rage like operating heavy machinery

1424
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: or at a nightclub, basically on the decibel scale. Yeah,

1425
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: a guy was telling us that most suppressors that you

1426
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: want to make sure a suppressor puts you down, they

1427
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: go by Ocean standards. You can get a suppressor that

1428
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: will put you down below what OSHA would recommend for

1429
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: hearing protection, but I don't know why the hell you

1430
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: would just leave him on anyways. Yeah, so the Ocean standards,

1431
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: I looked those up to. The Ocean standards are based

1432
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: off of not only the amount of decibels, but also

1433
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: the amount of time that you're exposed to those decibels.

1434
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: So like they would say a worker can be exposed

1435
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, ninety decibels for four hours um

1436
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: or I don't know the exact amount, but you know,

1437
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: so it's it's also time time rated as well. So

1438
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: but probably for anybody using suppressor, I think it's probably

1439
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: still a good idea to put some amount of ear

1440
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: protection on if you shoot a lot. So let's talk

1441
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: about when you guys are gonna get you guys should

1442
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: get a T shirt for a number of lives meat

1443
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: eater saved with the turniquets. Right, Oh, we're up to

1444
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: we got a new one. I think how many? But

1445
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: his life wasn't he was? It doesn't kind of a

1446
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: life save. It's like an arm saved. He could have

1447
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: bled out. But yeah, you guys could have like a

1448
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: ticker like three and counting and one arm and counting. Yeah,

1449
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: for sure. Then you know we have this as you know,

1450
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: and I'll point this out to people too. We have

1451
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: a audio um, we have an audio original book coming

1452
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: out with Random House. And in this yeah, well yeah,

1453
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: because in this project, we hear a very elaborate story.

1454
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Listeners will hear a very elaborate story about a man

1455
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: who him and his father were hunting. His father got

1456
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: shot by a dog, and this guy was seriously at

1457
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: risk of dying. Recalled hearing a podcast in which someone

1458
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: explained how to put a tourniquet, and he remembers how

1459
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the tightness saved his old man's life.

1460
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: And then later when he had meant to think about it,

1461
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: realized it was here in Dr Lazara on the Mediator

1462
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: podcast and that was like the third life you'd save.

1463
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: These people shall all be sending you money? Man? No, No,

1464
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: that's all. It's all good, smarty. I think you know,

1465
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: I think that. Um. I was looking last night for

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01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: a video on your Instagram because Karna told me about

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01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: something about a deer with a bunch of puss and

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Speaker 1: its belly. But I was looking and I stumbled across

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01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: a video of you cutting your ingrown toenail out, and

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01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: I said that it had about five thousand views. The

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Speaker 1: video killed. I said, what an amount of influence you

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Speaker 1: have if you can do self grooming and people watch

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01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: that to such a degree. But also to comment on

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: the fact that to use that influence in such a

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01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: way to put out great messages about conservation or health

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01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: or safety. I mean it's a tremendous service, I think

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01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,799
Speaker 1: to two people. And it's also, you know, really entertaining.

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01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm obviously biased, but like you know, it's a great thing.

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01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's good Samaritan stuff. It's amazing. So no money,

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01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: just good Samaritan stuff. I appreciate you saying that. Man,

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01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: I did that toe surgery yesterday on a zoom call,

1482
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: but I just kept my foot down below though it

1483
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: was like, what's his name? Who's the new arcor right? Yeah,

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01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that's uh, what's that guy? Yeah,

1485
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: it's like Jeffrey Tuban. But was it my toe doing

1486
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: my toe surgery? But I kept my toe down low?

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01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: That's good sight, that's good people like you did a

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: toe surgery? What's he doing down there? What's he doing

1489
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: on anyway? He must be working on his toe. You're

1490
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: probably the only person to do that. The latest news

1491
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: it's gonna break. And the wildest part is that the

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01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: caption was like do you want to see more of

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01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: this content? And it was a resounding yes. I know.

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01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: If I just gotta think of more. I mean, I

1495
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: could just do the same surgery over and over again,

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01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: but I can't think of more, Doctor Lazarre, thanks for

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01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: joining us. Man. Tell everybody where you work so if

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01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: they get hurt, they can come to the right hospital.

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01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I work at Henry Ford Allegiance in Jackson, Michigan.

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01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: I work for a company, small democratic group called I E.

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01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: P and Um. Yeah, we love taking care of patients.

1502
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: And you know we're there always in the middle of

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01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: the night, every holiday, every weekend. So that's what we

1504
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: signed up for. So you're you're so if someone is

1505
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: going to get hurt this, you get hurt at night

1506
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: because they're gonna find you down there at night. Yeah. Well,

1507
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean the E R is open. The R is

1508
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: open seven. I think it's like US, walmart Um and

1509
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: Taco Bell. I think are like seven operations that we

1510
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: have in our society. So alright, so arry at ladies, gentlemen,

1511
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: if you get hurt in Jackson, make sure to go

1512
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: to that place Jackson, Michigan, go to that place and

1513
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: you can shoot the breeze with Dr Lazara. Well he

1514
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: fixes up. Thanks so much for having you guys. Thanks mans,

1515
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: all right, I want to hit on this audio project

1516
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: for a minute. Um, it's available, it's coming out soon.

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01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: It's available available for pre order. I'm gonna tell people

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01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 1: how I described it. I put a thing on Instagram

1519
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: about it which sums it up pretty good. You did

1520
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: a great job. No, we worked our We've been working

1521
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: our corn is off on this thing. Still are still

1522
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: wrapping up the finishing touches. So okay, Well, here's I

1523
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: wrote on Instagram about it. Listeners of the Meat Eater

1524
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 1: podcast might remember our Meat Tree episodes where we told

1525
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 1: the story of a mightily close encounter with a round

1526
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: bear on Alaska's a fog Neck Island. This very podcast

1527
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: told that story. Ultimately, that experience inspired this immersive audio

1528
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: book with Random House. By immersive, we mean I hesitated

1529
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: to say this because you might get the wrong idea.

1530
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: There's there's a soundscape, there's like supporting sound, and there's

1531
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: music and stuff, but there's supporting sound and kind of

1532
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: like it's immersive. It's I don't know. I think everybody

1533
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: shocked at how good it turned out. I don't know

1534
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this good. Yeah. It was started because

1535
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: we found the most craziest people with the craziest stories.

1536
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: It's six hours long, includes sixteen tales of harrowing close

1537
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: calls in the wild, told by the people themselves. A

1538
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,719
Speaker 1: game ward and almost gunned down by an oozy wielding,

1539
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: sociopathic elk poacher, a spear fisherman trapped in an underwater cave,

1540
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: a pheasant hunter shot by a dog, a peacock bass

1541
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 1: fisherman who inadvertently gets tangled up with a drug cartel.

1542
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: A fishing guy who saves the life of a boy

1543
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: whose father had written him off for dead. That being

1544
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: none other than Brodie Henderson. Brodie Henderson walking around all

1545
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 1: the time, was sitting on this like very traumatic story

1546
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: about a boy he saved. We got Seth in there too.

1547
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 1: Seth's in there. I get to him in a minute.

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01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: A fishing guy who saves the life of a boy

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01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: whose father had written him off for dead. And a

1550
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: wild land firefighter who's forced to reckon with the idea

1551
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: of his last day on Earth. Yep, we're sitting among giants,

1552
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: flip flop plesher. What's a spoiler alert? It wasn't his

1553
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: last day on Earth, since he's sitting here, am I said?

1554
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Forced to reckon? With you try to sell the book

1555
01:31:51,920 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: or not. That's how Seth died. To go on along

1556
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,440
Speaker 1: the way, I explore the unique aspects of human psychology

1557
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: and physiology that emerge that emerge during these brushes with death,

1558
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: and seek to answer the question of why close calls

1559
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: in the wild have a way of haunting us for

1560
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: the rest of our lives. I've always been a big

1561
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: fan of paradoxical undressing, which happens to you doing hypothermia

1562
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: or liket like it's a it's an unnerving idea. But

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01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: in this one and are in the hypothermia story. In

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01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: this book of a Caribou Guide, we explore terminal burrowing.

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01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of a nasty little description. Some people when

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01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: they're suffering hypothermia get the idea that they're gonna dig

1567
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: a hole and climb into the hole to warm up,

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01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: often digging their own grave. It's good, It's very good.

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01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: I was playing We're going Through and just doing final listens,

1570
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: and I was driving driving down the road listening to

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01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:02,440
Speaker 1: edits with my wife and and there were four times

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01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: just the short time we were listening to things, four times,

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01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: including doing Brody story where she did all she did,

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01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: she did one of these noises. She went, um, I

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01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: can't quite do it would be like, huh no, do

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01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: one like a like a shocked noise crin No more

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01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: than that way more No, it was like tim ellen

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01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: whatever that she did an nooise like this, I should

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01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: get her to come down here and do it. She

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01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: did annoise like it was like this, like it was

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01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: conveyed this message. Oh my god, oh my god, yeah

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01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah. Basically just like my wife like, oh

1583
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: my god, without the words it's good, like it's it's listen.

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01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: This is one of the proudest things. Uh. We don't

1585
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: celebrate a lot of stuff around here, but I'm setting

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01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: up a dinner for the for the bazillion people involved

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01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: in that project. It's it's one of the great I

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01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:59,919
Speaker 1: think it's one of the coolest things we've ever made.

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01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: And it'll I think, very much appeal to people. It's

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01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: not just for hunters and fishermen. It like, no, dudes,

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01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: there's a skier in it who wrote eighteen who wrote

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01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: an avalanche for eight hundred feet yep, mountaineer, mountaineering, just

1593
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: game wardening. Yeah, ye, my my wife really likes the

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01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: show Hoarders. Are you familiar with that. I know that

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01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: there's a show called Hoarders. Yeah, it's like where where

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01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: these people have an extreme hoarding problem. We bring us

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01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: back to this audience. Now it's come there for I

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01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: do know about this show. I haven't seen any episodes.

1599
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar. These folks fill their house with

1600
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: just trash, literal trash from Florida ceiling, and then they

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01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: bring in these experts to help them expert clean up

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01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: their house. Yeah, there's hoarding experts to help them clean

1603
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,799
Speaker 1: up their house, because not as a dude with a dumpster.

1604
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 1: There's a dude with a dumpster, and then there's also

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01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 1: the expert that helps them. Oh psychologically, yeah, I can't

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01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: watch the show. There's two much dread and too much

1607
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: anxiety with that show, and there's just no payoff and

1608
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: it's like I need to walk out of the room.

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01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: If my wife is watching Hoarders. You get a little

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01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: bit of that with these interviews, like it approaches that

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01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: line of giving you some anxiety and some dread, but

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01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: it's still like wildly entertaining. There's still a payoff and

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01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: it's it's like one of the most fun things to

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01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: listen to. Oh, there's also story speaking not all hunting fishing.

1615
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: There's a story about going to the old hot springs,

1616
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,520
Speaker 1: just a just a nice day having a warm dip.

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01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong having a warm dip with

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01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: the hot spring? It's good. Okay, it's all you can

1619
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: it's coming out, but you just like get it. Now.

1620
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's a it's an audiobook, so it

1621
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: just it just you know, you don't need to wait

1622
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: for to come in the mail. But it's good for us.

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01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: We just go preorder the damn thing. Yep. Um. You

1624
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 1: can go to audible Amazon. Yeah, you go to Amazon

1625
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: dot com and go to audible. I think audible is

1626
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: owned by Amazon and find it. It's called Meat Eaters

1627
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: Can't Fire stories. Close calls, Close calls. It's all close calls.

1628
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: Should we point out that we're hoping there's going to

1629
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: be a volume two if everything goes well. Yeah, and

1630
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: then and then that'll give everybody, let's listen, and chance

1631
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: to let us know about the cast. They'll get casted

1632
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 1: cast into it. Uh. Speaking of books, when we are

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01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: our recent episode just came out a couple weeks called

1634
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: we Don't Hadden Me. The other day, speaking of doing

1635
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: the audiobook. Um, someone tried to sabotage the project. I

1636
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: think competitors, competitors in the audio space, because we were

1637
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: recording some final pickup lines. Okay, and Nick, who works here,

1638
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 1: hands me a fudge sickle which I take into the

1639
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: studio and I'm looking on this fipe sickle trying to

1640
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: do the lines. Sounds like this rude life flash before. Yeah,

1641
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: we had to like finish the fudge cycle and come

1642
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: back in and redo the whole thing all over again

1643
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: because it was like fudge stacleized in hunt. In the

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01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: Hunting and Chains episode, we're talking about out of print

1645
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: books and now something. There's this book I love by

1646
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: a writer, Duncan Gil Chris. He was he's like he's

1647
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: a writer. He Duncan Gil Chris was an outdoor writer

1648
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 1: who would publish his own books. And he accidentally wrote

1649
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: like Hemingway, like very very simple clean lessons. He was sentences.

1650
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: He was a bush pilot. He was a guy in Alaska.

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01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: He's a hunt New Zealand, hunted over place very like

1652
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: d I y um alpine hunting. And he kind of

1653
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: put all of his thoughts and in and approaches and

1654
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: tips and tricks in a book to call Wait for

1655
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: It All about Bears, which is all about bears. And

1656
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: then he wrote Hunt High, um phenomenal books, but there

1657
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: aren't many round he would self published these books. And

1658
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm always y happen about him. You know, there's very

1659
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 1: few of the men there. And I was pointing out

1660
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: that how I bought one from a guy there was

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01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: like a hunter Bocks. I bought it and he said

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01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: to me with a note sticking on it and says,

1663
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 1: because he sees my name when he has a ship

1664
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: to me. He's like, you're the reason I bought this book. Well,

1665
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: right now, someone after that episode came out, someone goes

1666
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: online to check on Hunt High and there's a copy

1667
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: on Amazon for one thousand, six hundred and nine cents,

1668
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: or you can get a hardcover for the less half

1669
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: this half as much. Yeah, and there's some used ones

1670
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: for seven eight hundred bucks. You would think that someone

1671
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: would reprint that someone Ditcher book. That's crazy, unbelievable. Do

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01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: you feel bad spot burned a book? No, because I

1673
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: think that even in I think he was so good

1674
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: and such an interesting guy. Like to see him, even

1675
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: in death enjoy success. A friend of mine was with

1676
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: him when he died. Was with Duncan Gilchrist when he died,

1677
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 1: they were filming bighorn sheep. He would do these like videos.

1678
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: He would go out and film bighorn sheep and just

1679
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: do videos about bighorn sheep, love sheep. How long ago

1680
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: did he die? It's maybe a decade or so ago.

1681
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: A buddymine is an outdoor writer and he was writing

1682
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: a piece about Duncan and about Duncan's like lifelong fascination

1683
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: with alpine hunting and mountain hunting. And they were out

1684
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: filming big horns and he said, all of a sudden,

1685
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: he looked and he was just dead. And he said

1686
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: to my friend, said he in telling the story. My

1687
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: friend said, Duncan, where did you go? It was that

1688
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 1: like it doesn't seem like such a bad way sad

1689
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: hearts act, And there was no nothing. It's just all

1690
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he was just dead, right where he

1691
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be. Probably, yeah, yeah, Duncan. Sound I thought

1692
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: you were doing the death mode. There's a song. I

1693
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: wonder if this there's a song, and I've always wondered

1694
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: what it's about. But as a band called death Cap

1695
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: for Cutie, they got a song about Duncan. Giol Christ,

1696
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: the lead singer, did a solo album and he has

1697
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: a song called Duncan Where Have You Gone? And I

1698
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 1: wonder if it's in reference to that. I don't know, dude,

1699
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: he really knows where did you go? Okay, it might

1700
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 1: be different, but that's a weird coincidence. Did he big

1701
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: sheep hunter? Not at all. He's a vegan. Wow. So

1702
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: that's the important that's the expensive book desk. Now. Last

1703
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: thing to close out was we gotta talk about a

1704
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: lot of times to talk about things people do do,

1705
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about things people don't do. Seth

1706
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:56,600
Speaker 1: has been toying with. It's not too late, Seth. It

1707
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: might be Seth. Toyd was joining a wall like tournament

1708
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 1: this weekend and chickened out. But he's still fishing the

1709
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: same lake where the tournament. He's just going up there

1710
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: to fish anyway. UM, walk me through it, Seth, just

1711
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: so I can understand. Well, Yeah, Chester and I we're

1712
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna we're thinking about joining or signing up for the

1713
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: while I tournament. It's on Canyon Ferry this weekend. It's

1714
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: part of the Montanel while I circuit Um. One reason

1715
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: why we didn't sign up was because the entry fees.

1716
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I feel like this company could sponsor you and you

1717
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: just get a sticker on your boat, but then you've

1718
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: damned your better win just gonna be embarrassing. Man. Yeah. Um,

1719
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons that I was afraid of.

1720
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 1: But what I'm I'm kind of reading now that this

1721
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: might not be a problem because they're switching it up.

1722
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 1: But my live well isn't always uh, it doesn't always

1723
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: keep fish very lively. And I was afraid to just

1724
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: having fish in there and dying before way and like

1725
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 1: they'd pass away and you wouldn't be able to count them. Yeah,

1726
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm just reading this right here that I

1727
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 1: think they're they might go away from that this year,

1728
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: or they have you just bringing dead walleyes on ice. No,

1729
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: you just there's a there's a way that you can

1730
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: record your fish size by like digitally or yeah, m hm.

1731
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: How much would you win if you won the walleye tournament.

1732
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: It's estimated ten thousan dollars for first place and how

1733
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: many boats, Um, it's got to be a lot. A

1734
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two person team, max is what says

1735
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: on here huh, I feel like that's probably feel like

1736
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 1: I would have the smallest boat there. Later it would

1737
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 1: be like a movie about you guys. Man, it would

1738
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: be like one of the Jamaicans one that Bob sledding

1739
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: tournament in Olympics and they later made a movie that's true.

1740
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: If he just you would be able to take that

1741
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: plot line. It have like Chester's wife be mad that

1742
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 1: he fishes all time, right, and and then it would

1743
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: be that you guys go out in this little boat

1744
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: in the movie would be like a way worse boat. Yeah,

1745
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 1: there'd be a big storm. So this is this is

1746
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: another problem the weather to my boat on Canyan Ferry.

1747
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Like you got to have decent weather to be on

1748
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: the water. If like the wind blows both days this weekend,

1749
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: we could throw three and twenty bucks in the pot

1750
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: not even be able to fish. M But what okay,

1751
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: I'll be out there on the bank. But you know,

1752
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 1: like for the potential of ten thousand is like investment,

1753
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, maybe it's right, Like maybe the odds are

1754
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 1: better than that's a lot of money towards Chester's new boat,

1755
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,600
Speaker 1: and it's or bus you could luck into like like

1756
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: place and probably get your money back or something. Yeah,

1757
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: that's true. Now if you go up, you're gonna go

1758
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: fish anyway. Yeah, we're gonna do anything. So all these

1759
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 1: who's are gonna be out there in their big souped

1760
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: up boats. You canna be out there for the minute

1761
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: you catch a hog, you're gonna be really regretting. Yeah,

1762
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: signed up, Still sign up. It's caught a nice about

1763
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: like during a roll. We were Yeah, we were up

1764
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 1: there last weekend. There was a bunch of dudes pre

1765
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 1: fishing it for the tournament, a lot of dudes that

1766
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 1: have fancy boats. But we absolutely crushed them. So you

1767
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: out fished them. I don't know if we outfished them.

1768
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: We caught a lot of fish. I don't know if

1769
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: we caught like it's a I think it's a five

1770
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: five fish bag. We didn't catch any giants. You just

1771
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: tell everybody about me catching that one there a night

1772
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: on the don't want you to tell anybody about that.

1773
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 1: You can. You can tell us about it since we started.

1774
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 1: I got one there a night. I noticed after I

1775
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: caught it, Seth, I noticed after I caught it, Seth

1776
01:44:48,920 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 1: changed his approach Joe Wally and then went on, Yeah,

1777
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: what we call eaters. Spencer what we call eaters, A

1778
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: good old eater eaters. All Right, so you're going, we're

1779
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: going anyway. Not too late to enroll or too late

1780
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: to enroll. I think it's too late, But um no,

1781
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: we're definitely chet and I are definitely gonna start fishing

1782
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 1: some tournaments. You're gonna become a tournament walleye angler. Ye.

1783
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll still work here? Do you think

1784
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: you'll quit to do that? It all depends on how

1785
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 1: much time you let me, so you honestly quit this.

1786
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 1: You'd honestly quit? You do like you wouldn't want to

1787
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: be colleagues with any of us anymore? No, I wouldn't,

1788
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: so you could be a walleye tournament guy. I want.

1789
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: I freaking love walleye fishing. I know what you do.

1790
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: I know you do, but no, I wouldn't. Your girlfriend

1791
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: likes eating walleyes, you like catching walleyes? Yep. Um No,

1792
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I seriously do want to enter tournaments. I think it'd

1793
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 1: be fun. But is he gonna pay you to let

1794
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: him go when your tournament fishing? Though? Don't you gonna

1795
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: release him your way? In? What do they care with you? Them?

1796
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:03,600
Speaker 1: Don't I'm not sure how that works if you have

1797
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: to release him or not. You probably can't high grade

1798
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: during the tournament though, that's what you're talking about for

1799
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: for explain high grading for people at home. Yeah, Like,

1800
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: like you catch you got four or sixteen inches in

1801
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: the boat, and you can only keep four and then

1802
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: you catch an eighteen incher. You can't let one of

1803
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: the sixteen inchers go and keep that eighteen inchures. That's

1804
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 1: high grading. They do that all the time. Bass tournaments though,

1805
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 1: don't They depends on the regulations. Yeah, it depends on state,

1806
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: state and body of water. There was I remember there

1807
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: was a bass fishing scandal one time where there was

1808
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 1: a I think it was a bass tournament in a

1809
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: stretch of the Mississippi where you have states, right, so

1810
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 1: whatever the hell. One side of the the river is one state,

1811
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 1: one side the rivers the R state. A guy crossed

1812
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 1: state line like down and I guess in this area

1813
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 1: is always islands and it's confusing what state you're in?

1814
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: Cross state lines and high graded? Yeah, it was. That

1815
01:46:56,360 --> 01:47:00,080
Speaker 1: was Brandon Paul nit big fan of them. Actually he

1816
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 1: was a fan of a bass fishing. It was an

1817
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 1: awes mistake. No, I'm not criticized he got his poster

1818
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: on his wall. There was a moment when bass fishing

1819
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: was on ESPN. Yeah, like you you had a bass fisherman,

1820
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: like you had a football team. Did you put posters

1821
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 1: of these people on your bedroom wall? No? I still follow.

1822
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 1: Did you wear their jersey? No? I follow closely though

1823
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 1: the the Elite series Bass. I used to do fantasy

1824
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: bass fishing. Do you know what that means? You know?

1825
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: A fantasy football is, yeah, that but with bass. So

1826
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 1: you like pick like five anglers for a specific tournament

1827
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:38,640
Speaker 1: and then you're like entered in this pool with these

1828
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: other guys that are like watching the tournament. It's like,

1829
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: it's like, why do you guys not start like a

1830
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 1: segment of our business dedicated to this stuff? We should.

1831
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: It's pretty far outside our ethos. We're catching fish this

1832
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: version of catching fish with electronics, and like, like this

1833
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: tournament tomorrow, seth these guys are gonna have electronics more

1834
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 1: expensive than your until you're set up. But I mean

1835
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: I have electronics on my boat that are that's like

1836
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: more expensive than my boat. So I feel like they're

1837
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 1: not gonna out electronics me. They might just out fish you.

1838
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: They're definitely outboating me big time. All Right, Seth, good

1839
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: luck out there. Thank you. I'm a little bit sad

1840
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: about this new career going down. I hope you don't

1841
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: do well. No, I'm not. I'll tell you. I'm not

1842
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: gonna leave me either to be a tournament walleye fisherman.

1843
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 1: But that's good here, that's good here. Um I do

1844
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 1: like fishing them. Okay, thank you, every buddy. We're Seth.

1845
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Good luck if you're if you're fishing the wall, I

1846
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,560
Speaker 1: term and you see a guy in a little dinghy boat,

1847
01:48:39,560 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: the Nighthawk cresh Lyer Nighthawks say hi, thank you. S