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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Heads up, fellow conspiracy realists. In

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Speaker 1: the course of this episode, you may hear what sounds

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Speaker 1: like a few muffled explosions. They are not the brilliant

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Speaker 1: design of our super producer, Uh, they are the nefarious

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Speaker 1: design of some guys who decided to build a staircase

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Speaker 1: it's strange, but you know, wishing them the best. They're

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Speaker 1: better than the leafblower guy, who I think is a

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Speaker 1: nemesis for a lot of us nowadays. What kind of

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Speaker 1: Is there some like brutalist architecture? Or is it just

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Speaker 1: You know it is? It is in the running knoll

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's pr stunt promotion for the

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna get sued for the Was it Dr Dre?

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Speaker 1: We're not right, I don't I don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: hope not um And please any legal departments listing treat

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Speaker 1: that as the tribute it is. Treat that as the

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Speaker 1: tribute it is. Uh. Today's episod so comes to us

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Speaker 1: courtesy of our fellow conspiracy realist Tom Over in Europe.

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Speaker 1: And Tom, you wrote to ask us about a proven

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Speaker 1: conspiracy that took place not too long ago. It's a

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Speaker 1: conspiracy that many people have never heard of, which is

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Speaker 1: gonna be odd when when we get further into the story,

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Speaker 1: and our story really begins with in g O's one

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Speaker 1: in particular green piece, we're talking about this a little

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Speaker 1: or or or hot take it's not real. There is

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Speaker 1: no green Peace. I like. I like both of these. Uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe we start with the origins of green Peace

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Speaker 1: to really get into the conspiracy today. Here are the facts.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Sounds cool? Well? It describes itself as

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Speaker 1: a quote global independent campaigning organization that uses peaceful protests

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Speaker 1: I take a breath there in the middle. That's a

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Speaker 1: Sorry m hm. And they went back and forth. This

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Speaker 1: a good question, Will. So, as you can imagine, green

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Speaker 1: And so of course this creates a lot of criticism.

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Speaker 1: Christine Carbone. She was not just your regular old person.

428
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Speaker 1: She was an agent. Oh yeah, us by She was

429
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: working for Frances Director at General for External Security or

430
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: the d g s E. This is again in the

431
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: same way the CIA operates outside of the US or

432
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: m I six operates outside of the US. That's what

433
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: this this organization does, d g s E, remember that name.

434
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: So she had gone in and volunteered to join Green Peace,

435
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: and back in the day around that time, it was

436
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: super easy to infiltrate Green Peace. You just said hey,

437
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: I want to help, and they're like, come on in

438
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: story checks out, um. And she she infiltrated through Auckland,

439
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: New Zealand, which is interestingly enough, where remember we already

440
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: talked about this where the Rainbow Warrior had set out

441
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: to go before they went over to the atoll, in

442
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: the area where the testing is actually occurring, because it's

443
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: it's not that far away. And she posed as someone else.

444
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: She pretended to be someone named Frederic Bonlieu and she was,

445
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: and this character that she was portraying was an environmentalist.

446
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: She was all about green Peace, all about anti nuclear

447
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: proliferation and stopping testing. But really what she was doing,

448
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: it's just going, oh what's that and then making a

449
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: phone call to somebody and taking notes and uh, just

450
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: monitoring all the communications, collecting maps where they're going to go,

451
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: if there are any plans or information intel on what's

452
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: about to occur. She's doing this stuff and she's also

453
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: checking out the tech that's aboard the ship. What capabilities

454
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: does this ship have and how how can we subvert them?

455
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: And let's get some specifics on the whole. Says Frederick.

456
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a I'm just like you guys. I mean,

457
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the D player, I want to know everything. I want

458
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: to get in where I can fit in, and the

459
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: Rainbow Warrior. You know, there was a lot of pr

460
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: around it because this makes for great headlines. So for

461
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: a time it was open for public viewing and all

462
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: sorts of tourists and honeymooners and supporters of green Peace,

463
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: uh and just curious onlookers towards the ship to learn

464
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: more about what green Peace planned to do with this vessel.

465
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Thing is some of those tourists were also uh D

466
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: G s E. They were operatives. It's such this part

467
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: of spyacraft always seems so I know, it's got to

468
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: be a real nail biter on the anxiety scale. But

469
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: I always wondered, do they take acting lessons? Like if

470
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: you are if you're posing as a couple on honeymoon

471
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: which just happened to walk by a ship and wants

472
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: to take a tour of it, do you have to

473
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: like practice is acting like a couple, you know, to

474
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: spend a week together just working on your bits. I

475
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: don't know. It's called improv for espionage. It is, you know.

476
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: I I don't have personal experience, but I would say

477
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: acting classes would probably help out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

478
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: think you're right to a degree. Um, And they're they're

479
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: really interesting stories about how people train spies to act undercover.

480
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: There's there's there was a great interview with the lady

481
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: who was in charge of CIA disguises for a number

482
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: of years, And what's funny about that is that she

483
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: is pretty casual with it. She's like, Okay, we can

484
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: teach people to walk differently, we can give them wigs,

485
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: we can change different parts of their appearance. Here are

486
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: the things I think work. Here are the things I

487
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: think don't work. And when she was asked like, what

488
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: is the number one problem with, you know, having people

489
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: move in these false personas or disguises, she said ego.

490
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: She was like, none of nobody wants to look bad.

491
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if you think about it, looking a

492
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: little bit homely would help you with your cover, right,

493
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: unless you're supposed to be a model or a movie star.

494
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, that aside, I would say that's what always

495
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: works out in those undercover TV shows with models and

496
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: or superstars. The only way they get them to fit

497
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: in is making them more homely. Yeah, yeah, let's give

498
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: him a give him a weird news look more like us.

499
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: Now we look okay. You know, I'm not going to

500
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: rate us, but I think I think we look all right.

501
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Uh anyway, slid seven. You know that's nice, man, that's good.

502
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask what the scale is there, but

503
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: thank you? Alright, continue alright, So, so here's what happens. Um. Clearly,

504
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, Green pieces relying on transparency because they want

505
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: the support of the public. They are not a military,

506
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: they are not a government actor. So they depend on volunteers.

507
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: They depend on people who agree with both their goals

508
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: and the ways in which they pursue those goals, and

509
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: this comes back to haunt them. I suggest to take

510
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: a pause for word from our sponsor and return to July.

511
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: We're back set the scene. The ship is docked, it

512
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: is pretty late. There has been a birthday party on

513
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: the vessel earlier that evening, and they're about twelve people

514
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: on board. The ship is prepping to head out to

515
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: confront the French authorities conducting this nuclear test, and right

516
00:32:52,800 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: before the stroke of midnight, an explosion rocks the vessel. Uh.

517
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: And so, as you can imagine, chaos ensues. The crew

518
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: scrambles to escape. It's not the time to go into

519
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: the engine room and see what made that noise. They

520
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: want to stay alive, right, And that is where the

521
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: first explosion originates, is in in or near the engine room,

522
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: right exactly. And so uh, everybody is getting off the

523
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: vessel and there's they wait for a second, just a second.

524
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: There's one guy, a Portuguese photographer named Fernando Perea, and

525
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: after this explosion, after he gets away, he looks around

526
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: and he thinks, oh, snap, I need to get all

527
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: of my stuff, my equipment. We're documenting this. I'm a

528
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: photographer and I need my camera and my film. And

529
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: so he returns to the ship to grab his gear

530
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: right after that first explosion, and he's on board when

531
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: the second explosion occurs. Yeah, and he's killed by that

532
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: second explosion, and his death was the impetus for the

533
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: initial investigation into this whole situation, one of the largest

534
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: in the history of New Zealand. UM homicide investigation begins

535
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: and to French agents, Captain Dominique Prier and Commander Alan

536
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: Mafar are identified um by a local neighborhood watch, right, Yeah,

537
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: like what there's like neighborhood watches at sea. I mean,

538
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: that's that's very unusual. Well, there's some there's a lot

539
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: of weardeness that's going on behind the scenes that we

540
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: later find out. There were numerous French agents inside Auckland

541
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: at the time, specifically focusing on this this ship, this vessel,

542
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: on the Rainbow Warrior, in on Green Pieces activities, and

543
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: it's crazy. We we can maybe talk about a little more.

544
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: Several of the UH, either teams of agents and or

545
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: just individual agents were not so good at being spies,

546
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: I guess, at like covering their tracks and at being inconspicuous. Yeah,

547
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: and not to back seat not to play back seat espionage.

548
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: Right yeah, sorry, I mean, dude, do you know it's

549
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: just they were They were much more easily identified by

550
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: groups like that neighborhood Watch than you would expect. How

551
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: amazing to be the people that neighborhood watched though, they

552
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: must have been pretty impressed with themselves, right that. I

553
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: think it's might be a spy. That's a big one.

554
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was on a neighborhood watch and I,

555
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, landed this whale, um, I would feel pretty

556
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: good about myself and feel like neighborhood watches far and

557
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: wide should take note. No, he's not a spy. Why

558
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: would he be a spy in Auckland? No, he's not

559
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: a spy. What was I don't know what cockney a

560
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: little bit of Mary Poppins. Yeah, yeah, that's it feels

561
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: like it's spies try out some accents, um, what forbids?

562
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: That's what I remember of the concords. But but also

563
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: if you're that neighborhood watch person and we don't have

564
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: the specific name of the individual or Pete or individuals

565
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood Watch who are instrumental in these arrests.

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00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: But if I were that person, I make certain that

567
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: comes up in some way in every like neighborhood meeting,

568
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: every h o a meeting. Ah hey uh New Zealand, Ben,

569
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: you're not You're not mowing your lawn on time. And

570
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, sorry, I was busy saving the neighborhood.

571
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't know where your priorities are, gladdys.

572
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: But if I'm catching spies, I can't do it while

573
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm mowing my lawn. Sufferable for me, Like, raise your hand, hi, Matt,

574
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: Frederick caught those spies that one time neighborhood watch, Yes, exactly, so,

575
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: so you know, good on them, honestly. But this becomes

576
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: very complicated very quickly, because, as you said, Matt, there

577
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: is a lot of stuff going on in the background.

578
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: It's not just these two guys. And at this point

579
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: carbon hasn't been made yet. She's still Frederick. And there's

580
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: a problem because there's public outcry right New Zealand is

581
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: saying this is a terrorist attack. France is an ally

582
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: of New Zealand and at first they're like, yeah, it's crazy,

583
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, what happened. The world is a

584
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: nuts so place, you guys, And then they said, of

585
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: course we aren't involved like all these other nations, we

586
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: can dim this terrorist act. The French embassy and Wellington

587
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: stated explicitly the French government does not deal with its

588
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: opponents in such ways. What is interesting about this it

589
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: is that it was completely false. It was completely false.

590
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: They the people issuing the statement probably knew it was

591
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: completely false. Those two agents when they got arrested, they

592
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: came out that they had Swiss passports. When they got

593
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: made and their identities got burned, it's an instant smoking

594
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: gun for France. Right. You can see these guys reps,

595
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: you can see their history why it turns out that

596
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: they were not who they said they were. Carbon Slash

597
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Frederick uh has Is successfully escaped internationally to Israel just

598
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: before the attack occurred, and there are a lot of

599
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: other people. Later researchers would learn from these two diving

600
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: teams that also got away, and some of it really

601
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: is action movie stuff, like one of one of the

602
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: teams that transported the explosives, they did so on a

603
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: yacht and then they almost well, they did get detained

604
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: in Australia, but because of Australian law, they couldn't be held,

605
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: and so they went back on their yacht and they

606
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: went off, and then they hitched a ride with a

607
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: French submarine and the French submarine sank the yacht they were.

608
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: This was very scorched earth they did. They really did

609
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: not want to leave traces, but their attempts to cover

610
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: up were, as you said, Matt, quite unsuccessful. It was

611
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: soon very very clear to the Government of New Zealand

612
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: that they're so called ally France had clearly and purposefully

613
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: and successfully conspired to blow the Rainbow Warrior out of

614
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: the water. Consequences be damned. And this is this is

615
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: such an escalation from just trying to bribe people with

616
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: five grand or even sending a bunch of heavies on

617
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: board to beat up the people who were on that ship.

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00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: They're trying to protest. Even we can talk about the

619
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: intentions later, but even if if the intentions of the

620
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: government were simply to scuttle the ship or to sink

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Speaker 1: the ship and not harm anybody, that's still an act

622
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: of tourism. At least now it would be considered that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very much so. And you know, we have to keep

624
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: in mind that some of these conversations aren't making it

625
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: to the public sphere just yet. There's a moment where

626
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: New Zealand sends over like physical evidence to France, we

627
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: know what you did, we know what you did. Yeah,

628
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: what's good. And this became a political scandal as word

629
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: got out. So you see a domino effect of French

630
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: politicians uh leaving office. The Minister of Defense at the time,

631
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Speaker 1: Charles Herneux, he resigns, and then the head of the

632
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Speaker 1: d g s E is a guy named Admiral Pierre Lacosse.

633
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Speaker 1: He is fired. Um. And you know, if you're familiar

634
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Speaker 1: with a lot of the upper reaches of Western politics,

635
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: usually what happens when someone gets fired is they say

636
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: they're retiring to spend time with their family or something,

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00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: you know, something innocuous like that. That's the out they

638
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Speaker 1: give you. I suppose, you know, no one wants to

639
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: utterly well, there are times where they do want to

640
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: utterly run you up the flagpole. Um, but this was

641
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: not one of those situations. I suppose sometimes you have

642
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: to take a break to pursue painting your next president.

643
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: Oh so this is the problem that they still have

644
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: these two agents on the hook, the captains you mentioned

645
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: earlier and old they are. They have been arrested and

646
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: they get eventually they get released to French custody and

647
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: then they go free. But the reality of what happened

648
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, how those got how France got those

649
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: guys back, and how they got away with this attack.

650
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: It's the dirty part of international affairs. These guys were

651
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: both sentenced to ten years imprisonment. They pled guilty demand slaughter,

652
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: and then France went back to New Zealand and threatened

653
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: to wage economic warfare. They said, look, we're gonna shut

654
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: your stuff down. You will not be able to export

655
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: anything to Europe unless you give us our operatives back.

656
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: And this was not an empty threat. It would have

657
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: absolutely crippled New Zealand's economy was highly independent on agricultural

658
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: exports to the United Kingdom and this kind of like

659
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: sending in the economic heavies. To borrow your earlier phrase, Matt,

660
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: this stuff happens way more often than people would like

661
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: to think. And it's like that the economic hit man. Yes, yeah,

662
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Confessions of an economic hit Man no kidding, that's a

663
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: great read. On September, the Prime Minister at the time

664
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: finally admitst the bombing has been a a French plot,

665
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: and he says the truth is cruel. There was an operation,

666
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: there was a resulting cover up, and they went on

667
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: to say agents of the French secret service sank this boat.

668
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: They were acting on orders the elephant in the room

669
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: the other shoe waiting to drop whose orders exactly, And

670
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: that's a question that remains officially unanswered in the modern days.

671
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: So in a way, the conspiracy is still afoot. The

672
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: Western world in New Zealand's opinion, really dropped the ball.

673
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: They didn't condemn France at all. And this had serious

674
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: ramifications for the way the way New Zealand saw other

675
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: European countries, the way it saw the US especially and

676
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: in France ponied up compensation for the Portuguese photographers family,

677
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: and then they also gave Green Peace the equivalent eight

678
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: point one six million dollars. Yeah, eight point one six

679
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: million dollars. So, after a little time goes by, details

680
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: of the actual conspiracy start to trickle out. And here's

681
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: what we know. There were two teams involved in transporting

682
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: and placing those bombs. According to some confessions obtained later.

683
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: These confessions were from the operatives involved, the plan was

684
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: never to injure anybody, but the boat docked. They thought

685
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: they could just kind of render the ship inert or

686
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: at least just wreck it. Uh so it couldn't be used,

687
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: but not actually risk losing any lives. Um. But they

688
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: they goofed, didn't they. The dive team placed the explosives

689
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: as planned, but the explosions were larger than they had predicted,

690
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: which to me, doesn't that mean that there was too

691
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: much explosive or is it just one of these things

692
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, with circumstances that could cause, you know,

693
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: variables that could cause the explosions to differ. There's quite

694
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: a few things going on here. First thing you need

695
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: to know is that the original plan was to place

696
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: the explosives on the opposite side of the whole, the

697
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: other side of the ship. But there was another boat

698
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: kind of near there, and there seemed to be people

699
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: on that on that boat, and they didn't want to

700
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: at least according to the confessions here, they didn't want

701
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: to harm anyone on that boat, so they decided just

702
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: in the moment to switch sides on the boat. And

703
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: again the engine room is right there, the whole Like,

704
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: who knows what factors led to the to the size

705
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: of that explosion, but what we do know is that

706
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: the explosion came from the outside of the ship. And

707
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: the damage that you can see to the whole from

708
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: that explosion that then goes in and moves into the

709
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: boat is big. Yeah, and there's shrapnel flying that. This

710
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: is the thing if you we're talking about this a

711
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: little bit off air, this is one of the things

712
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: that gets me. How are you going to so extensively

713
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: plan an operation like this? And as one of the

714
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: operatives leaders said, not test it. They didn't test it

715
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: on a boat and they and Matt you raised an

716
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: interesting point about how we should regard France's nuclear experiments. Right,

717
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: those are the biggest explosives. And I can't quite remember

718
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: how you put it. Yeah, the fringe military has the

719
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: time and funds to test all of those nukes, like

720
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: however many at that time, in however many they had

721
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: tested that point since the sixties. They had the time

722
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: and all that money, the millions and millions and millions

723
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars to do that, but they didn't

724
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: have enough time and money to test one probably small

725
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: what do you think, maybe C four I don't I

726
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: doubt it was dynamite or anything like that. Was probably

727
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: had to be some kind of plastic explosive. But yeah,

728
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: but they didn't test that part. Everything else they had

729
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: these identities, they have personas, they had transported explosives through

730
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: international waters. They never tested out. And that's something that

731
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: happens with a lot of government conspiracies. Something goes wrong.

732
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: They messed up, and you know this again could be

733
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: for any number of factors that change on the ground.

734
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: But that first explosion wasn't even the major issue. Even

735
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: though it was larger than they expected and did sink

736
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: of the ship faster than the timeline, you know, than

737
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: they expected. That isn't what killed anybody. It was it

738
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: like we said, it was that second explosion right right.

739
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: And you can even see the logic the four minute

740
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: interval between explosions could be baked in to allow people

741
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: to hear that first explosion, maybe even almost as a warning,

742
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: and then abandoned ship. But they didn't bet on someone.

743
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Whatever their calculations were, they didn't bet on someone coming

744
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: back so soon after that first explosion, And there's a

745
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: really interesting interview out of TV New Zealand that was

746
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: later aired on Democracy Now. I think where you can

747
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: you can hear firsthand from one of the operatives about

748
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: what went down. It was thirty years after the fact.

749
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: But before we get to that guy, let's let's talk

750
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: just a little bit about the continuing cover up. So

751
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Other than the two men who were

752
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: briefly arrested, no one ended up facing criminal charges for

753
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: this act. Nobody other than those two guys, and they

754
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: eventually were let go. In two thousand and five, the

755
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: French newspaper of Note Lament released a report from where

756
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: the former head of d G s E said that

757
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: it had been signed off by the President mitterr All.

758
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: He had explicitly said, yeah, that makes sense to blow

759
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: it up and right, and so you know, when this

760
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: admiral comes forward, he also gives his the newspaper interviews

761
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: about this situation and he said, you know personally that

762
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: this way is on my conscience. We were not trying

763
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: to kill people. But as history has proven pretty often,

764
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: prosecuting the precedent is a difficult endeavor. There's a reason

765
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: that the US has that law about invading the Hague. Yeah,

766
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: it's very true. I want I want to jump to

767
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: this individual. We're talking about the operative that confessed. This

768
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: is the guy that led operations on the ground or

769
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: in the water in this case, he's the person in

770
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: charge of the whole thing, and he is the one

771
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: that physically placed or at least he says, he's the

772
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: one who physically placed the explosives onto the ship. And

773
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: it's intense that he's the one who came forward to

774
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: confess all of this and and tell all the world

775
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: and specifically to speak to the daughter of the photographer

776
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: who was killed. Yeah. Yeah, Joan Luke kiss. And it's

777
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: pretty in depth interview. Uh. He answers some he answers

778
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: questions that would naturally occur, like why did you have

779
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: a crisis of conscious thirty years after the fact? Right? Um?

780
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: And his answer is something that I think a lot

781
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: of people in the audience could understand and today, if

782
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: not agree with you, can you can understand where he's

783
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: coming from. He said, Look, this wasn't my only operation.

784
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I was active for a while. I was doing a

785
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and I couldn't come forward because it

786
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: could compromise those things. And then also, I'm first and foremost,

787
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: I was a soldier, so I had to carry out orders.

788
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: If you if you are a soldier, and you know

789
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: in his explanation, then you are mandated to do what

790
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: you're told, even if you have questions or concerns, whether

791
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: they are operational or ethical. So he heavily implies his

792
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: hands were tied. He apologizes, and like you said, Matt,

793
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: he requests the opportunity to speak with Perea's daughter and

794
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: apologize in person, and she declines it. And so now,

795
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: with no real official consequences, the government of France has

796
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: paid compensation. Uh, They've made apologies to New Zealand over

797
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: the years a couple of different times, and the relationship

798
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: between France and New Zealand seems to have normalized over

799
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: the intervening years. But as we record today, don't be fooled,

800
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: there's still calls for prosecution echoing in the halls of

801
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: Green Piece, echoing in the halls of New Zealand to

802
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: the modern day. And this is this is where our

803
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: story for now pauses, and we have to ask, you know,

804
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: at the risk of sounding cynical, Matt. No, I feel

805
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: like the three of us in particular just sort of

806
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: assume stuff like this is happening, possibly now, right, and

807
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: we just don't hear about it. Yeah, maybe not with

808
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, sexy names like Rainbow Warrior, but certainly this

809
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like too much of a stretch now. Yeah,

810
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it does make me wonder the power about

811
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: the powerful forces that go up against environmental activists of

812
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: any kind. But it's weird because it feels like it

813
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: as we said before, it's these groups seem more like

814
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: an annoyance to me for a big superpower like that

815
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: than real threat unless these forces really do put more

816
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: weight into kind of what we were talking about before,

817
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: the heart, if they're if they're worried about heart more

818
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: than you know, some of the other powers, um just

819
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: from a from a pr from a hearts and minds

820
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: standpoint of the voters in their country and or you know,

821
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: the other voting countries in NATO and some of these

822
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: other the U n and these things. I could see

823
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: them wanting to stop those kind of annoyances or the

824
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: things that make them look bad. Well, but it's also

825
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: it makes me think of a movie. Britt Marling is

826
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: like an actor, writer, director, and um, she made a

827
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: couple of cool films. One it's called Another Earth, it's

828
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: like a science fiction thing, and then she made one

829
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: called The East that's about um, a environmental terrorist group,

830
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: UM that is executing these covert attacks on major polluting

831
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: corporate pations. And I'm not saying that's that's what you

832
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: should do, and that's the only way to get it done,

833
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: but to to elevate your cause from annoyance to absolute

834
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, nemesis, or to go toe to

835
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: toe these companies. Either, like you said, Matt, have to

836
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: really have an effective way of changing the hearts and

837
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: minds of people that really matter, or you kind of

838
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: just burn it all down, um. And that's not particularly

839
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: productive either, and then it makes you kind of just

840
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: as bad as the people you're fighting. But I understand

841
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: the frustration when it comes to, like, how do I

842
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: take a stand against these giant corporations when it feels

843
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: like doing it the right way often falls on deaf

844
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: ears and it's sort of easily brushed to the side. Sure, yeah,

845
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, the fact of the matter

846
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: is that it's very difficult for uh, someone to take

847
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: on entities like this in court, you know, the the

848
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: expenses alone. Um and my I think we have similar

849
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: questions because why would the French government not just arrest

850
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: these people when they cross into the exclusion zone? And

851
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: what consequences should there be for for the people who

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