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<v Speaker 1>Boom. If you thought four hours a day dred minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He

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<v Speaker 1>treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the

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<v Speaker 1>rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of

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<v Speaker 1>hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour

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<v Speaker 1>with Ben Maller starts right now that it is the

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard and David Gascon. West of

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<v Speaker 1>the four oh five, we were back at it again.

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<v Speaker 1>A new weekend is upon us. And as I say

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<v Speaker 1>every single edition of The Fifth Hour, we do this eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I do it eight days a week. Not yes, Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>I do it eight days a week because four hours

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<v Speaker 1>a night are not enough. And Friday Friday Friday an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to talk about one of my favorite topics, the

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<v Speaker 1>business of sport. We're gonna get to that in a minute, Gasco,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm excited about. Yeah, it's you usually have because

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<v Speaker 1>the summertime for us in the National Football League, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's always the time where you can showcase uh certain

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<v Speaker 1>things around the NFL, and one of them is the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Book. Him that you have crafted a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I know Frank Clark was added to a

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<v Speaker 1>list just a few few days ago. Yes, as I

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out on the radio show the other day that

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<v Speaker 1>I had the chiefs in the NFL book him and

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually a twofer because he got arrested twice for

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<v Speaker 1>gun violations. We didn't even hear about the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>And you see, the problem is he's got such a

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<v Speaker 1>generic name, Frank Clark, like it doesn't stay it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are as you know, the people over t

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<v Speaker 1>MZ and some of these other websites they constantly are

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<v Speaker 1>looking through to see who got arrested, to see if

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<v Speaker 1>they can match the name up with the celebrity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very hard. Your name Frank Clark, I mean that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Blow. You know, it's like it's like what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? So it's like John John Smith or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So it's it's a pretty generic name. But

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<v Speaker 1>but we had that. But the sports business in the

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<v Speaker 1>big story of the week, this nc double a story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't spend too much time on it on

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio show. I thought the podcast would be

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect format to break this down because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lawyers involved, there's a lot of bureaucrats. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect storm, and I thought who better to break

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<v Speaker 1>it all down? And something we've talked to before Michael McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the senior writers at front Office sports dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a somewhat recent startup covers sports business and they

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<v Speaker 1>do a really good job. It's it's it's a startup,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a new website, don't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of traction, but it's it's head in places.

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<v Speaker 1>And Michael McCarthy, if you remember he was on last

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<v Speaker 1>time couple of months ago, he's worked for the USA today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I first came in contact with Mr McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Illustrated. He's had bylines at the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal, He's been all over the place

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<v Speaker 1>covering sports business. And so we welcome in Michael McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>here to the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascott,

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<v Speaker 1>and so let's get into it. The Supreme Court ruling,

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<v Speaker 1>bombshell ruling. Is this the end of the n c

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<v Speaker 1>A as we know it? Michael put it in layman's terms,

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<v Speaker 1>how big a deal is this? I truly believe it's

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the end for the n C double A. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it. Uh, you know, just the way the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court changed sports betting in this country, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that with this ruling, the Supreme Court is going to

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<v Speaker 1>completely change the landscape of college athletics and opened the

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<v Speaker 1>door for UH student athletes to be paid as they

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<v Speaker 1>should be in my opinion. Yeah, so, now, how does

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<v Speaker 1>Title nine plans? I I worked with a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>the overnight o Eddie Who, and I've heard this from

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<v Speaker 1>other people that say, well, this is there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>this actually goes forward because, yeah, the women's college basketball player,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman's tennis player is gonna say, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>how come the football player at Alabama or the basketball

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<v Speaker 1>player at Duke is getting all this money? Explain in

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<v Speaker 1>Layman's terms here, Michael, why that is or not is

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<v Speaker 1>not an issue as far as this is concerned. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is an issue because you know, once the

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<v Speaker 1>cat is out of the bag, everybody is going to

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<v Speaker 1>want a piece of the pie. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact remains that there are certain programs and certain sports

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<v Speaker 1>that generate almost all of the revenue for college programs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, football being one of them and basketball being another.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that is not going to stop somebody

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, the crew team from setting you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want my percentage of this, So I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it all has to be worked out. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be incredibly complicated. But with his a will, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a and when there's money, there's a way too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if people are going from getting zero to

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<v Speaker 1>getting something, I think they'll they'll work it out. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds the way you explained that. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna have endless lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>once this thing actually, whatever it ends up being happens, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the way you see it. I do see

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<v Speaker 1>that exactly that way. I think there's gonna be incredible

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<v Speaker 1>wrangling over money, incredible wrangling over percentages. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>pit men's sports against women's sports, trans athletes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've opened up a can of worms here,

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court. Uh. That is just gonna you know, be

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<v Speaker 1>be scorpions in a bottle fighting over the money. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know it's not the worst thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, somehow it will all that out. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>some people are gonna, you know, get more money than others.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people are gonna be desperately unhappy and some

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna be thrilled. But I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>the way it had to go. I think the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court made the right decision. And I think if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to people like Paul Farmbound who know their

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about college sports, you know this is the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the end for the n C Double A. But

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the story the other day that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>at Front Office Sports that the NFL agents are are

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<v Speaker 1>essentially working like vultures right once this story came out

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<v Speaker 1>with the Supreme Court. Uh, and I imagine the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>guys are doing the same thing. Oh, it's not as

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent in you know, in basketball, because guys come out,

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<v Speaker 1>they're one and done guys. But what what kind of money,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael is being tossed around that you've heard and what's

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<v Speaker 1>been reported with these NFL agents trying to suck up

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<v Speaker 1>some of these top college players. I mean you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about potentially billions here, and likeness rights and advertising rights

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<v Speaker 1>and sponsorships. I mean, this is a gold rush that

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<v Speaker 1>probably will be looked back a couple of years from

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<v Speaker 1>now comparable to the sports petting gold rush we ball experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the two eighteen Supreme Court ruling. I mean, just today,

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<v Speaker 1>Canada paved the way for legalized sports betting, and Canada

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<v Speaker 1>is an enormous market. Everybody loves to bet up there

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<v Speaker 1>and they love football. So you know you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>two gold rushes going on at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know the agents who are doing that, in my

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<v Speaker 1>opinion of being pretty clever and smart, that being proactive.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to get out ahead of this thing. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to try to see around the corner of what's next.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be reactive. Be sure to catch

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio app. Michael, on that note, does this

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<v Speaker 1>mean that it's a swift kick in the pants from

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court to Mark Emmert, where now you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>possibly look at realignment. No more power fives, no more

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<v Speaker 1>mid majors. You're gonna have conferences that are aligned based

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<v Speaker 1>on a region A last the South, Midwest, and the East. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, the head of the n c

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<v Speaker 1>A has to you know, literally remove the Supreme Court's

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<v Speaker 1>foot from his ass after this ruling. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>even possible. I mean it might take surgical interventions, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean every even the grabs now, including the TV rights,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, I'm I'm curious to see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right now ESPN as a regual stranglehold on college athlete

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<v Speaker 1>TV rights. You know what's going to happen there? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the Supreme Court doesn't often do something like

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<v Speaker 1>this where it just changes the world upside down. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it happens, you know, once every five ten years, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of them. Yeah, and you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court, I mean, the majority are conservative, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty interesting to see them throw this thing for loop.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the biggest question that that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people might have in their mind is why did it

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<v Speaker 1>take so long for someone to advocate for these student athletes?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know, it's not going to come from the

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<v Speaker 1>universities themselves. Money. You know, it's all about money. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who had the money was in their best

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<v Speaker 1>interest to create a system that was virtual serfdom for

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<v Speaker 1>these student athletes. And you know, there was always the thing, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting an education, they're getting this, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>who's kidding who? I mean, the money that they were

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<v Speaker 1>making off these kids compared to what the kids were

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<v Speaker 1>getting back was so lopsided. I also think David to

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<v Speaker 1>the point about why this is happening now, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think that the reason, one of the reasons that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>now is there's been so much focused by the media

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<v Speaker 1>on the enormous sums that are paid to college coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>the savings of the world and the urban myers, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that these men are making you know, twelve

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars a year, thirteen million dollars a year, and

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<v Speaker 1>their kids on the field of making zero, nothing, zero,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I think was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the to put it over the top. I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>think radically about this, but do you think this can

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<v Speaker 1>actually push college athletics and these universities towards I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe satellite programs or academies, because the reality is,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at college basketball, these kids are staying

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<v Speaker 1>for a year maybe two at max unless they're mid level,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna go anywhere out for the college days

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<v Speaker 1>and then for all intensive purposes of the college football players,

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<v Speaker 1>they're there for a couple of years and only because

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<v Speaker 1>they can't get there as a freshman. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this turns into something where it's just a specialty program

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<v Speaker 1>for these universities, because what's the what's the incentive for

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<v Speaker 1>these programs to bring these kids in and have them

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<v Speaker 1>be one and done. Yeah, I think we're already at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've already got a two tier system in

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<v Speaker 1>college where, you know, the really special athletes who have

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<v Speaker 1>a chance is to make the pros are on that

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<v Speaker 1>track and the other athletes are doing it for nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>for the love of the game. Uh. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a daughter in high school who was a high

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<v Speaker 1>school athlete. I have a son in college, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>real familiar with the amateur athletics. And i can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, a lot of the kids I know

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<v Speaker 1>and the kids I coached, you know, go into college

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<v Speaker 1>athletes knowing that they'll never make the pros. Uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll never make a career out of it, but that

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that they love whereas you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have that special athlete, you know that kid who's

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<v Speaker 1>born you know, with a right arm like a thunderbolt,

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<v Speaker 1>as Crash Davis would say in uh, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>Great Baseball movie. And they know that, you know, from

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<v Speaker 1>the age of ten twelve on that they have a shot,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're on a completely different track. Well, Mike Michael

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<v Speaker 1>as well, you mentioned the coaches and Nick Saban and

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<v Speaker 1>these top coaches that make tens of millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year. And I've already seen some of the propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>from the n c A and some of the schools

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<v Speaker 1>that this is going to destroy the business of college sports.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a Domesday scenario some people have been

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<v Speaker 1>hinting about. But what's the trickle that Does this impact

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<v Speaker 1>the the top coaches salaries at all? Do they continue

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<v Speaker 1>to go up to they go down now because the

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<v Speaker 1>players are getting some uh some cut of the pie,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. How does this affect the coaches? I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's uh, it's going to have a trickle down effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe more than a trickle down effect. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the college coaching salaries are gonna be frozen

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<v Speaker 1>if not go down. And I think where it can

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<v Speaker 1>really hurt is where you're you know, you've seen these

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<v Speaker 1>coordinators at the big school who were themselves making multiple

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars as a coaching waiting, as a head

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<v Speaker 1>coaching waiting. I think it could really hit them. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think playtime is over for these college coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they had it sweep for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the football coaches. You know what I mean, they

0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.720
<v Speaker 1>made tens of millions of dollars. They never kept their

0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.040
<v Speaker 1>promises to their players, They never kept their promises to

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<v Speaker 1>their programs. And reality is going to be, you know,

0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.880
<v Speaker 1>a tough wake up call, but it's a long overdue absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the sports betting, you mentioned the gold rush,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've seen here in the next few years in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, it's it's already started state by state as

0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.520
<v Speaker 1>they add add more money. Uh. You know, what do

0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.800
<v Speaker 1>we talk about from the from a sports perspective. I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I think last time we had you on, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about there was an owner that had said they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make more money from gambling eventually than television. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, just that whole whole mindset I know

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<v Speaker 1>some of the teams have partnered with a sports gambling outfits.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that just gonna become the way of the world

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<v Speaker 1>now that you have to have a deal with DraftKings

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<v Speaker 1>or you have to have a deal with somebody. Explain

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<v Speaker 1>what the landscape is gonna look like, Michael, five years

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<v Speaker 1>from now, Well, the landscape is going to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be completely different. First of all, legalized sports betting is

0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:47.760
<v Speaker 1>going to be completely um uh, you know, accepted and normal.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be surprised me to see, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fan duels and the draft kings of the world own

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<v Speaker 1>their own media rights. Let's say, you know, you're the

0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Chicago Cubs or you're the Cleveland Indians, whatever in your

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<v Speaker 1>media deals up. Why couldn't a fan duel or a DraftKings,

0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, go ahead and buy those media rights themselves.

0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've already seen it with the Valley Sports Network.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know number two that this whole uh

0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.800
<v Speaker 1>situation in terms of being a gold rush, I think

0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna see media companies, but competting companies and betting

0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.400
<v Speaker 1>companies become media company. In fact, that's happening already. We

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<v Speaker 1>just did a story that ESPN is looking at opening

0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.360
<v Speaker 1>their own branded sports book, similar to the old ESPN

0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Zone restaurants. Meet while You've got you know, the fan

0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Duels and the Draft Kings are out there hiring talent,

0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.160
<v Speaker 1>hiring reporters and analysts. So I mean, would it surprise

0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.479
<v Speaker 1>meet five years from now to see Adam Schefter reporting

0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.920
<v Speaker 1>for Fan Duel or DraftKings instead of ESPN? Not at all.

0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Would it surprise me to see Woge delivering his wog

0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.920
<v Speaker 1>bombs for a sports betting company that's now a meeting company?

0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Not at all, because they're the ones who could pay

0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.080
<v Speaker 1>those salaries. What kind of impact do you think Amazon

0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:02.000
<v Speaker 1>is gonna have this entire game? Amazon is what everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is watching. I mean, I think that the real key

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<v Speaker 1>to watch with Amazon and Thursday Night Football is one

0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:13.160
<v Speaker 1>word megacasts. ESPN has proven that these mega casts have life.

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<v Speaker 1>They've done it extremely well during college football National Championship Game.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Amazon is going to go out there

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<v Speaker 1>with a program that's gonna be completely different than what

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<v Speaker 1>we see on you know, Sunday afternoon CBS. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be uh, you know, one main telecast. You know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you have an al Michaels, you know, somebody who the

0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.160
<v Speaker 1>fans are familiar with. But after that, there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be special telecasts devoted to all sorts of things. There's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a sports gambling Amazon game telecast. There's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be uh, you know, the kind of MegaCast coverage that

0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you see on ESPN. So I think Amazon is really

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<v Speaker 1>looking to shake this up and to really segment it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna go out there with a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one size fits all telecast like we've seen for fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years of the NFL. It's going to be specialized. So

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<v Speaker 1>on that note, then, are these leagues gonna have compliance

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<v Speaker 1>units that will police and try to look at the

0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.280
<v Speaker 1>underbelly of this gambling universe? Or do you think that

0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the leagues will rely on the FBI and some of

0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the other agencies to root out any kind of wrongdoing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the leagues have always sort of looked the

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<v Speaker 1>other way and relied on you know, uh, you know,

0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.920
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement to let them know. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at the Tim Donnahey scandal. I mean

0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that this went on for so long in the NBA.

0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.960
<v Speaker 1>A crooked referee, you know what I mean, shading and

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<v Speaker 1>fixing games, and the NBA had no clue about this

0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.480
<v Speaker 1>until it came out. I think that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>sports leagues are not going to waste a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time and resources on compliance. I think they're counting on

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the increased legalization of sports betting is

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<v Speaker 1>eliminating that organized crime element that was so dominant for decades. Well,

0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.000
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you might look at it that way. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I could counter and say, well, you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at corruption with officials, game day officials, players, coaches, coordinators.

0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you happened in Major League Baseball a couple

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.639
<v Speaker 1>of years ago at the Ties seventeen Nastros, and you know,

0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Rob Manfred gave these guys a slap on the wrist,

0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.000
<v Speaker 1>they got aways scott free, and then get to they

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep a World Series title. That's exactly my point.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the NBA had a crooked referee, and within

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months a story had passed. You know, uh,

0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.800
<v Speaker 1>in Major League Baseball had a World Series champion cheating

0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.919
<v Speaker 1>and cheating in such an obvious way that they were

0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.960
<v Speaker 1>almost laughing at the rules, and the sport went on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really think the sports as leagues take

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, uh seriously in terms of you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a route out compliance, like they deal with it

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes. Well, what I've heard, Michael, over the

0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.240
<v Speaker 1>years from people I know that work in the sports

0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.199
<v Speaker 1>gambing instruges that when they see something that's red flag,

0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.199
<v Speaker 1>they will contact the NBA or the NFL. There's too

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<v Speaker 1>much money, there's awkward bets being placed on a game,

0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.879
<v Speaker 1>and we hear the term circling the game, taking the

0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.000
<v Speaker 1>game off the board. The the interesting wrinkle to this

0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.359
<v Speaker 1>to me, Michaels, a amateur gambler, is that when you

0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.040
<v Speaker 1>have it everywhere, you can bet a little bit, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The the argument with Vegas was that that was controlled

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<v Speaker 1>in Nevada, and if there was too much money coming

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<v Speaker 1>in in the legal sports betting, they take a game

0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 1>off the board. But there is a path where you

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.520
<v Speaker 1>could make a lot of small bets. It would be

0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.639
<v Speaker 1>a pain in the behind, but you can make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of small bets nationally in Tennessee and New Jersey

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.239
<v Speaker 1>and Colorado and and do it that way. It's a

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.760
<v Speaker 1>lot more work. Though, it's a lot more work. But

0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.040
<v Speaker 1>the sports league, if they are in business, Michaels, you

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<v Speaker 1>said it. With these you know, these gambling these are

0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.959
<v Speaker 1>some of them have partnerships. They almost have no choice

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<v Speaker 1>but to add a compliance officer, right, I mean, that's

0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.639
<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen there. If you are in the

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.240
<v Speaker 1>compliance business, you're going to have game ful employment in

0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.159
<v Speaker 1>sports wagering, right. I mean, this is gonna be a

0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.320
<v Speaker 1>boom talent, a boom business. But look at look at

0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.320
<v Speaker 1>all the sports scandals of the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, every time we found about found out about

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.120
<v Speaker 1>these things. They always came from the outside, didn't it.

0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And the league always appeared flat footed and they were like,

0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.600
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, what happened? We had no idea about this? So,

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I think they'll talk a good game.

0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 1>They always do. But you know, to your point about

0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the best watch strokes they have are in Vegas themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>The wise guys know when the lines are moving, The

0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 1>wise guys know when something is up. They'll be the

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.400
<v Speaker 1>first ones to alert the league's you know, to check

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<v Speaker 1>out this game or that referee or that official, because

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.240
<v Speaker 1>they know anybody, and they don't want to lose money.

0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.920
<v Speaker 1>That's that's to lose money. That's the whole point. Of it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the golden goose for them, you know. Uh,

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.399
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I really think that the league's you know,

0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.879
<v Speaker 1>they're all talk about this stuff. I mean, yeah, you

0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.720
<v Speaker 1>know that they're gonna have some XFBR or X, you know,

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Deputy commissioner of the New York City Police Department. And

0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 1>they sound good, but you know what I mean, they're

0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.720
<v Speaker 1>always caught flat foot, and they're always caught by surprise,

0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and they always apologize later on, but it never seems

0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.639
<v Speaker 1>to be them that it covers the undoing. They're the

0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>ones who cleaned up the mess afterwards. Michael, With the

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.919
<v Speaker 1>Eastern and Western Conference playoffs underway with the Clippers and

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Sons and Bucks and Hawks, um, what have you seen

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.480
<v Speaker 1>just in terms of the overall ratings with the NBAM

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<v Speaker 1>do do you anticipate a huge slide? Do you think, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>these are fresh faces that are out there on the court,

0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's an opportunity for the NBA to promote these kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you just hit the nail on the head.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go counter here. I think it's great for

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the NBA to have some fresh faces. Do you realize

0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.080
<v Speaker 1>this is the first time in a decade We've had

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.479
<v Speaker 1>an NBA Finals where we haven't had lebrono stuff, you know.

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:56.439
<v Speaker 1>So I would argue a couple of years ago we

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.359
<v Speaker 1>had Golden State Warriors fatigue, and I would argue that,

0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's point, even though lebron Is is

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:06.120
<v Speaker 1>a great, uh attraction, people have lebron fatigue. He's also

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.560
<v Speaker 1>a very polarizing UM athlete at this time with you know,

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>his political stances. So I mean, I think it's a

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:16.400
<v Speaker 1>great opportunity for the NBA to get out there. I think, uh,

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, having fans in the stands

0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.159
<v Speaker 1>is an amazing thing. I mean, if you look at

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.119
<v Speaker 1>these games compared for the bubble games, it's two different things. Uh.

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's nothing like the excitement of having the

0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 1>crowd literally on top of the court at an at

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 1>an NBA game and it's the best seat in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>And now that it's back, I think that the rating

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be pretty good. Well, And I want to

0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 1>ask you about that, Michael, because I get these stories

0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that come out and you're in the sports business world.

0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.720
<v Speaker 1>You're a perfect guy to ask these And I work

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.560
<v Speaker 1>in radio, so I know, how about spinning ratings in radio.

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I know how that game works, but it seems like

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that's going on in the NBA because

0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you read one story and it's the ratings are up

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>thirty four percent for the NBA playoffs, and then you

0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.400
<v Speaker 1>read another story it's like, well, actually, compared to three

0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>years ago, the NBA has lost twenty five percent of

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 1>their audience. So what is the truth here, Michael, Well,

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.439
<v Speaker 1>the truth is often hard to decipher because there's lies,

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.959
<v Speaker 1>there's damn lies, and there's sports ratings. Uh. You know,

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:16.119
<v Speaker 1>as working you would say, you know, every time you

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.440
<v Speaker 1>get a ratings release from a network, you've got to

0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 1>parts it like you're reading Pravda something, you know what

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because they're going to work those numbers to

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<v Speaker 1>make them, you know what I mean, seem as positive

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>as it can. For example, you know, the NBA and

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 1>other leagues this year are going to compare their ratings

0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>to the bubble, uh and the pandemic when ratings are down,

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 1>but they're not going to compare them to two thousand nineteen,

0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>which is the last prepontimity. So that's that's an obvious

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.199
<v Speaker 1>one that that they use. But I also think that

0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 1>to your point, I've never seen such a fascination with

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 1>sports TV ratings. And I've been doing this a long time.

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we used to do a chart in USA

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 1>today it was like this thing just for geeks and nerds,

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, like myself, you know what

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, who cared about this? But nobody else cared.

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Now everybody's to dicussing it on sports radio, everybody discussing

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.560
<v Speaker 1>it on TV. And I think the reason for that

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>is because everybody is trying to use ratings to prove

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.399
<v Speaker 1>their point. If you're of the opinion that the NBA

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.439
<v Speaker 1>getting political has hurt their ratings, then you're going to

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 1>seize on their ratings, you know what I mean, as

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.479
<v Speaker 1>a way to basche Lebron James and the league taking

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.439
<v Speaker 1>stances on politics. If you're of the opinion that, you

0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, the NBA being political has no

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 1>impact on ratings, then you're gonna see some the positive

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>ratings this year has proved to your points. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think politics has kind of infected the ratings game, and

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>everybody is using ratings to tee you off to a

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<v Speaker 1>fairly well on whatever pet cause they have. Be sure

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<v Speaker 1>and the I Heart Radio app. Michael's said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing, maybe for some of the other league's

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 1>is just the branding purposes, right, because Major League Baseball

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 1>cutting off games for uh, you know, with ESPN the

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>other Sunday night Baseball telecasts and what they do in

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the week. Same thing with the NHL

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>going from the NBC platform and obviously now to USA

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>and ESPN splitting those packages up. I think the other

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>things we just look at it because you know, Ben

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and I talked about in the regular during the NFL season,

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like top fifty programs in the United States in

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<v Speaker 1>and over thirty of them are Week one or Week

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 1>seven or Week eight in the NFL, and the other

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>ones college football Obama and l s U or Baman

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Auburn or something like that. Yeah, it's you know, the

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>NFL is so dominant when it comes to TV. It's

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 1>not just the premier sports property, it's premiere entertainment property.

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.919
<v Speaker 1>It just kicks the hell out of everything. You know,

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>scripted dramas, reality TV, you name it. It's like the

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>NFL went out of business, what would we watch? But

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I am not one of these, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic as well. You know things are gonna go completely

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>after No. I think the pandemic changed a lot of things.

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>The pandemic change viewing habits. I think people learned how

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 1>to live without sports in some cases. I think purple

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>people learned how to watch different things. And I think

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 1>we're still seeing, you know, the lingering effects of that.

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping it will get back to pre pandemic levels,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not as confident about that as anybody as

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>some of these other people are. What's the business practice

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 1>for you guys at front office sports? Like, how are

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you guys approaching these things? I do see that you

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 1>guys bring on a lot of interns along the way

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to to help provide them with some kind of platform too. Yeah,

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>our whole purpose, the whole platform has been growth. I

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>mean I started there two years ago and we were

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a small start up, but you know, we broke a

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of news along the way, and we punch away

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>above our weight when it comes to to coverage, you know,

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>against the big guys, and we have just been growing

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>by leaps and bounds. Uh, you know, it's a six

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>billion dollar business. I think I'll competitor, you know, our

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>main competitor, which is Sports Business Journal. You had to

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>feel to themselves for a while. And I think everybody

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 1>loves a little bit of a horse race, right, everybody

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>loves a challenger. You know, if you've got coked, you

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>want pepsis. And you know, now you've not only got

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>us in the field, but you've got sport Eco. So

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 1>this whole idea of you know, sports business and this

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 1>whole coverage, and you know Ben knows this as well

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>as anybody has just exploded. It's taken on a life

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>of its own. Yeah, it's been. It's been crazy the

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>last the last couple of years. For sure. I want

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>to go back. I want to go back to to baseball.

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Though for a second, because he you mentioned how fans

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>uh embrace not having sports A hundred and thirty four

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>days we went. Not that I kept track Michael without

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a professional sporting event, as I was doing sports radio

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>every night. But but it's not about me so major

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>League Baseball having a likely nuclear off season after the

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>World Series, the labor deal is up, and there's a

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of my people in baseball say it's it's they're

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.679
<v Speaker 1>not going to have a regular start to the two season.

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>And every time one of these things happens, people say, well,

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be it. That's gonna be the end. I

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's gonna be end of baseball. But how

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>much more damage can be done? Kind of paint the

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>picture if you will, Michael on what that would mean

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a work stoppage at the started next baseball season? Uh,

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, no no sports has sport or no league

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 1>has done more to shoot itself in the foot than

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball. I mean, you know there should be

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 1>an intervention sometimes with this league the way you know

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, they try to self destructive. If that happens,

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, they're gonna, you know, throw

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:32.719
<v Speaker 1>away all the momentum they've they've had. I mean, you know,

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>they're just coming out of the Astros thing the garbage cans,

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you know you're gonna have this this year.

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You've got the doctored baseball. I mean that's old school.

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're going back to Gaylord Perry and the

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>spit ball here. Uh So, I mean, I think, you know,

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>baseball has got to get a couple of years under

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>its belt where it's got nothing but good stories. You

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean that the cheating turns people off.

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, I mean a work stop, a work

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>stoppage would be horrible because you know, baseball more than

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 1>ever has become kind of a local sport. And you know,

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>if you if you have a work stopping, boy, that's

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna be trouble. Yeah. And Michael also following that up

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 1>a story within the last month or so. Uh, some

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>of the guys on the Mets and some of the

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>other players around baseball, we're throwing out lobbying accusations that

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 1>the reason baseball changes, that the ball actually changes, the

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball corporate changes the ball is to artificially

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>keep salaries down in free agency. That there are players

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>who actually believe this, that it's you know, to me,

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>it seems outrageous. Uh, Like, I don't think the baseball

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 1>is that bright. If they are that right, why is

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Mookie Bets in Fernando to tease and all these guys

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>getting these massive contracts. Explained to me your perspective on

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>why so many baseball there's more than just a couple

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>have said that there's something to that conspiracy. Yeah, because

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>they're dumb. I mean, I believe that, you know, Petel

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Fonso's theory on the baseball about as much as I

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>believe that story about the weasel or the raccoon or

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>whatever in the thing. I mean, the simple fact remains

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>that professional athletes can never look at themselves in the

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>eye and you know, blame themselves. I mean, we were

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>growing up, you know, batting average was valued, Uh you

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. The ball was put in play.

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know the ones we adored in the

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>players we follow, you know, the George Brett's and the

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Rock Cruise, you know who were able to hit three forties.

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Now these players, you know or either want to hit

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.959
<v Speaker 1>home runs. Will they strike out? Well, that's on them.

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:35.959
<v Speaker 1>And you know what I mean. And if the pitchers

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>adopting the ball, and I believe that they are, you

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean with this new Tiki tax stuff,

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>then that's on them. That's on the players. That's not

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>our major League Baseball or is some you know, secret

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>chemist in a lab somewhere or an underground bunker doctoring

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the baseballs. I mean, you gotta be kidding, Michael. And

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>we haven't seen we've seen this, you know. It seems

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>like every decade, right. If it's not steroids, it's the

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>trash cans and the videoography that was taking place a

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>handful of years ago, and the doctor of the baseball.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>And the reality is that people are still gonna come

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>out to watch the games. The people are still gonna

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>be fans of the game. There's nothing that can be done.

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>But do you think in the end, maybe Major League

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Baseball says, hey, we need to have a new guy

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that leads this this organization, this league, and not round

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Rob Manfred. You know, I I don't think we're at

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>that point with Manfred. You know, I think Manfred has

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>done a solid job. What the game needs is action.

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>The game needs action. I mean, I was at the

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Yankee game with my family on Sunday and the Yankees

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>had three hits. They won the game, you know, thanks

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>to you know, Gary Sanchez double. But it's just not

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>an act, you know what I mean. The shifts and

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and the rise of these incredible pitchers has turned the

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>game into kind of a drag where you know, it's

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing but a strikeouts and fly balls and pitching changes

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen Pitching changes a game. And I mean, you know,

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you need a new commission as

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>much as you need a sport that really grabs you

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>by the throat and really, you know it says, wow,

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>this game is fun. I mean, you know, you guys

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 1>mentioned Mookie Bets a minute ago. I mean having players

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>like who were so exciting and so dynamic, you know,

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>watching him run the bases or that throw he made

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>from the Anfael, That's what the game needs. Bring us

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>back the baseball we love, which is makes some contact,

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>get some runners on base, have some tag outs, have

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>steep stealing bases. You know, let's have the action that

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>we fell in love with. Mike, I got some bad

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>news for you. Don't think the Yankees are gonna have

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>any of that for the season for you. So I

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>think you're right, But you know, having some pressed with Sanchez,

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, his his swing looks good. And I just

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>said the Yankees a lopsided I mean, you have a

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>team that's you know, relied for eighty years on left

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>handed hitting, and you know, they're right handed hitting team.

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know, besides DJ Lmeo, you know what I mean,

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>they have no contact hitters and they have no idea

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>how to man you facture runs. I mean the Yankees

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>are a perfect example of what's wrong with baseball. I mean,

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>you see the Yankees moving anybody over, and you see

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the Yankee steeling base. You obvious see the Yankees creator run.

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Now you know they're always waiting for you know, John

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Garland to him one out. So they really are in,

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a capsule form definition of what's wrong

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>with the game today. Yeah, the three true outcomes right,

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>strike out, walk, home run. That's nothing else, don't don't,

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>don't hit behind a run, or don't do anything. Michael,

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I really, well you have you. I want to bring

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>up the story that I want to get your perspective

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>on Lamar Jackson because he doesn't have an agent. He's

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>about to sign we think, a mega, mega extension. It

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>could be the biggest contract in NFL history with the Ravens.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And I've heard some whispers that you know, this is

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>not this is not going overwhelm the agent community, per se,

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>because if he if he actually pulls this off and

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know this is seen as a foundational blow

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 1>if you will, to agents because they because of the commission.

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>But explain to me how concerned or if I'm right

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>on this is what I'm hearing is correct, how concerned

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the agents are that Lamar is doing this without representation.

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I'd be very very concerned if I was an agent.

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean there was a Seattle, uh Seattle seahawk explinback

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>who did the same thing a couple of season ago,

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>whose name escapes me, Bobby something or other, and he

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>basically negotiators on the only did it well yeah, and

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of like everybody afterwards said, well, he

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't have an agent, you know, he didn't get taken right,

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>he did pretty well for himself. So it can be done.

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>And once you demonstrate that it can be done without

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>giving up that little slice to the agent, you know

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>more players are gonna do it. Uh. So you know,

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to your point, I am very concerned. I am on

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>red alert. If I'm an agent, I am giving you know,

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise level comfort and service to to my clients,

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, showing up in Phoenix for game or whatever

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>he did uh in the movie. And I'm trying to

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>keep my clients as happy as I can. How much

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>do agents get in the NF I don't baseball. I

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>know more about baseball, But in the NFL, what cut

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>do those guys typically get? Is at four percent? Is

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>at three percent? And what have you heard? Depending on

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>the agent? I mean obviously you know, if you're your

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Ton Condon or something like that, you know you can

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>get a lot more. But I heard, uh, you know

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a while back then it was in the area of

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>around three percent. But you know, it depends, Uh, it

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>depends on you know what I mean, how powerful you

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>are as an agent, how what your reputation is, like,

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>what are the clients you have? I mean, so many

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<v Speaker 1>things in sports, and I think we've all learned this

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<v Speaker 1>happened because athletes know each other. What what do athletes do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? I mean, use my agent, Joe, use my

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<v Speaker 1>agent Jane. That's how you know they really get their

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<v Speaker 1>clients by other athletes introducing them to people who they trust.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, to me that that trust level and

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<v Speaker 1>that that familiarity is more important than the percentage interest.

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<v Speaker 1>And as far as one one last thing on the

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<v Speaker 1>broad will go back to the broadcasting thing. Michael I

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<v Speaker 1>I've said, I've seen several stories here recently that the

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<v Speaker 1>hot commodity. I don't know if I believe this or not.

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<v Speaker 1>In Sports NFL commentaries r G three Robert Griffin the Third,

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<v Speaker 1>I is this a story that was planted by his agent?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this legitimate? Is there a bidding war between major

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast companies for Robert Griffin the third explain that to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think r G three is a hot commodity. Eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know if he's you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the hottest thing since Tony Romo, or you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, if you know, Fox and ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>and go on it going to go out of business

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<v Speaker 1>bidding against each other for him. I mean, it's pretty normal.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, every year, as you know, there's you know

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<v Speaker 1>a new list of players and coaches who try to

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<v Speaker 1>enter broadcasting, and some of them give great auditions and

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<v Speaker 1>some of them stink. And he gave apparently a great audition.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, RG three still wants to play, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's no guarantee he's even gonna go into

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<v Speaker 1>the broadcast boot. But you know, I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, uh, you know, Major League Sports. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're always looking for the new guy, the new hot star,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody who could come in and sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, change the world the way Romo did. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when Romo started. You know, there were other

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<v Speaker 1>people you know, including me, who are like and I

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<v Speaker 1>will own this for like, how can you get this

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<v Speaker 1>guy a complete rookie? You know what I mean? The

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<v Speaker 1>number one job? What are you out of your mind? CBS?

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<v Speaker 1>And sure enough you proved me and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people wrong. So I think r G three is a

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<v Speaker 1>legit contender for a job in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the hoot nanny, you know, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that is hypen absolutely. Hey, uh, Michael, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you and again promote. The website is a great website.

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<v Speaker 1>You're interested in the business of sports. It's Front Office Sports.

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<v Speaker 1>You're all over Twitter. How can people find your Michael?

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<v Speaker 1>How can people follow you? Well? Thank you again for

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<v Speaker 1>the invite. Uh. We are at front office Sports dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>We covered the intersection of sports and business and my

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter handle is m McCarthy rev. Alright, m McCarthy reb.

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<v Speaker 1>Very simple, All right, thanks, We have a great weekend. Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys, Thanks so much.