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Speaker 1: to the bubble, uh and the pandemic when ratings are down,

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Speaker 1: but they're not going to compare them to two thousand nineteen,

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Speaker 1: which is the last prepontimity. So that's that's an obvious

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Speaker 1: one that that they use. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: to your point, I've never seen such a fascination with

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Speaker 1: sports TV ratings. And I've been doing this a long time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we used to do a chart in USA

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Speaker 1: today it was like this thing just for geeks and nerds,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like myself, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, who cared about this? But nobody else cared.

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Speaker 1: Now everybody's to dicussing it on sports radio, everybody discussing

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Speaker 1: it on TV. And I think the reason for that

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Speaker 1: is because everybody is trying to use ratings to prove

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Speaker 1: their point. If you're of the opinion that the NBA

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Speaker 1: getting political has hurt their ratings, then you're going to

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Speaker 1: seize on their ratings, you know what I mean, as

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Speaker 1: a way to basche Lebron James and the league taking

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Speaker 1: stances on politics. If you're of the opinion that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, the NBA being political has no

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Speaker 1: impact on ratings, then you're gonna see some the positive

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Speaker 1: ratings this year has proved to your points. So I

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Speaker 1: think politics has kind of infected the ratings game, and

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Speaker 1: everybody is using ratings to tee you off to a

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Speaker 1: fairly well on whatever pet cause they have. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays

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Speaker 1: at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: two am eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: and the I Heart Radio app. Michael's said, I think

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Speaker 1: the other thing, maybe for some of the other league's

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Speaker 1: is just the branding purposes, right, because Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: cutting off games for uh, you know, with ESPN the

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Speaker 1: other Sunday night Baseball telecasts and what they do in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the week. Same thing with the NHL

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Speaker 1: going from the NBC platform and obviously now to USA

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Speaker 1: and ESPN splitting those packages up. I think the other

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Speaker 1: things we just look at it because you know, Ben

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Speaker 1: and I talked about in the regular during the NFL season,

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Speaker 1: it's like top fifty programs in the United States in

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Speaker 1: and over thirty of them are Week one or Week

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Speaker 1: seven or Week eight in the NFL, and the other

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Speaker 1: ones college football Obama and l s U or Baman

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Speaker 1: Auburn or something like that. Yeah, it's you know, the

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Speaker 1: NFL is so dominant when it comes to TV. It's

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Speaker 1: not just the premier sports property, it's premiere entertainment property.

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Speaker 1: It just kicks the hell out of everything. You know,

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Speaker 1: scripted dramas, reality TV, you name it. It's like the

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Speaker 1: NFL went out of business, what would we watch? But

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Speaker 1: you know, I am not one of these, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: optimistic as well. You know things are gonna go completely

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Speaker 1: after No. I think the pandemic changed a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: The pandemic change viewing habits. I think people learned how

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Speaker 1: to live without sports in some cases. I think purple

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Speaker 1: people learned how to watch different things. And I think

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Speaker 1: we're still seeing, you know, the lingering effects of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping it will get back to pre pandemic levels,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not as confident about that as anybody as

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Speaker 1: some of these other people are. What's the business practice

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Speaker 1: for you guys at front office sports? Like, how are

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Speaker 1: you guys approaching these things? I do see that you

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Speaker 1: guys bring on a lot of interns along the way

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Speaker 1: to to help provide them with some kind of platform too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: our whole purpose, the whole platform has been growth. I

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Speaker 1: mean I started there two years ago and we were

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Speaker 1: a small start up, but you know, we broke a

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Speaker 1: lot of news along the way, and we punch away

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Speaker 1: above our weight when it comes to to coverage, you know,

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Speaker 1: against the big guys, and we have just been growing

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Speaker 1: by leaps and bounds. Uh, you know, it's a six

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Speaker 1: billion dollar business. I think I'll competitor, you know, our

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Speaker 1: main competitor, which is Sports Business Journal. You had to

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Speaker 1: feel to themselves for a while. And I think everybody

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Speaker 1: loves a little bit of a horse race, right, everybody

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Speaker 1: loves a challenger. You know, if you've got coked, you

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Speaker 1: want pepsis. And you know, now you've not only got

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Speaker 1: us in the field, but you've got sport Eco. So

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Speaker 1: this whole idea of you know, sports business and this

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Speaker 1: whole coverage, and you know Ben knows this as well

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Speaker 1: as anybody has just exploded. It's taken on a life

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Speaker 1: of its own. Yeah, it's been. It's been crazy the

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Speaker 1: last the last couple of years. For sure. I want

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Speaker 1: to go back. I want to go back to to baseball.

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Speaker 1: Though for a second, because he you mentioned how fans

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Speaker 1: uh embrace not having sports A hundred and thirty four

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Speaker 1: days we went. Not that I kept track Michael without

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Speaker 1: a professional sporting event, as I was doing sports radio

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Speaker 1: every night. But but it's not about me so major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball having a likely nuclear off season after the

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Speaker 1: World Series, the labor deal is up, and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of my people in baseball say it's it's they're

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Speaker 1: not going to have a regular start to the two season.

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Speaker 1: And every time one of these things happens, people say, well,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be it. That's gonna be the end. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be end of baseball. But how

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Speaker 1: much more damage can be done? Kind of paint the

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Speaker 1: picture if you will, Michael on what that would mean

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Speaker 1: a work stoppage at the started next baseball season? Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, no no sports has sport or no league

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Speaker 1: has done more to shoot itself in the foot than

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. I mean, you know there should be

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Speaker 1: an intervention sometimes with this league the way you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, they try to self destructive. If that happens,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they're gonna, you know, throw

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Speaker 1: away all the momentum they've they've had. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're just coming out of the Astros thing the garbage cans,

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Speaker 1: and then you know you're gonna have this this year.

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Speaker 1: You've got the doctored baseball. I mean that's old school.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're going back to Gaylord Perry and the

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Speaker 1: spit ball here. Uh So, I mean, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: baseball has got to get a couple of years under

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Speaker 1: its belt where it's got nothing but good stories. You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean that the cheating turns people off.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, I mean a work stop, a work

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Speaker 1: stoppage would be horrible because you know, baseball more than

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Speaker 1: ever has become kind of a local sport. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you have a work stopping, boy, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be trouble. Yeah. And Michael also following that up

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Speaker 1: a story within the last month or so. Uh, some

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Speaker 1: of the guys on the Mets and some of the

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Speaker 1: other players around baseball, we're throwing out lobbying accusations that

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Speaker 1: the reason baseball changes, that the ball actually changes, the

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball corporate changes the ball is to artificially

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Speaker 1: keep salaries down in free agency. That there are players

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Speaker 1: who actually believe this, that it's you know, to me,

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Speaker 1: it seems outrageous. Uh, Like, I don't think the baseball

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Speaker 1: is that bright. If they are that right, why is

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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets in Fernando to tease and all these guys

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Speaker 1: getting these massive contracts. Explained to me your perspective on

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Speaker 1: why so many baseball there's more than just a couple

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Speaker 1: have said that there's something to that conspiracy. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: they're dumb. I mean, I believe that, you know, Petel

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Speaker 1: Fonso's theory on the baseball about as much as I

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Speaker 1: believe that story about the weasel or the raccoon or

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Speaker 1: whatever in the thing. I mean, the simple fact remains

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Speaker 1: that professional athletes can never look at themselves in the

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Speaker 1: eye and you know, blame themselves. I mean, we were

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Speaker 1: growing up, you know, batting average was valued, Uh you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. The ball was put in play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know the ones we adored in the

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Speaker 1: players we follow, you know, the George Brett's and the

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Speaker 1: Rock Cruise, you know who were able to hit three forties.

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Speaker 1: Now these players, you know or either want to hit

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Speaker 1: home runs. Will they strike out? Well, that's on them.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I mean. And if the pitchers

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Speaker 1: adopting the ball, and I believe that they are, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean with this new Tiki tax stuff,

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Speaker 1: then that's on them. That's on the players. That's not

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Speaker 1: our major League Baseball or is some you know, secret

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Speaker 1: chemist in a lab somewhere or an underground bunker doctoring

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Speaker 1: the baseballs. I mean, you gotta be kidding, Michael. And

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen we've seen this, you know. It seems

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Speaker 1: like every decade, right. If it's not steroids, it's the

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Speaker 1: trash cans and the videoography that was taking place a

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Speaker 1: handful of years ago, and the doctor of the baseball.

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Speaker 1: And the reality is that people are still gonna come

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Speaker 1: out to watch the games. The people are still gonna

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Speaker 1: be fans of the game. There's nothing that can be done.

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Speaker 1: But do you think in the end, maybe Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball says, hey, we need to have a new guy

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Speaker 1: that leads this this organization, this league, and not round

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Speaker 1: Rob Manfred. You know, I I don't think we're at

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Speaker 1: that point with Manfred. You know, I think Manfred has

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Speaker 1: done a solid job. What the game needs is action.

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Speaker 1: The game needs action. I mean, I was at the

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Speaker 1: Yankee game with my family on Sunday and the Yankees

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Speaker 1: had three hits. They won the game, you know, thanks

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Speaker 1: to you know, Gary Sanchez double. But it's just not

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Speaker 1: an act, you know what I mean. The shifts and

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Speaker 1: and the rise of these incredible pitchers has turned the

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Speaker 1: game into kind of a drag where you know, it's

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Speaker 1: nothing but a strikeouts and fly balls and pitching changes

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Speaker 1: nineteen Pitching changes a game. And I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you need a new commission as

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Speaker 1: much as you need a sport that really grabs you

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Speaker 1: by the throat and really, you know it says, wow,

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Speaker 1: this game is fun. I mean, you know, you guys

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Speaker 1: mentioned Mookie Bets a minute ago. I mean having players

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Speaker 1: like who were so exciting and so dynamic, you know,

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Speaker 1: watching him run the bases or that throw he made

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Speaker 1: from the Anfael, That's what the game needs. Bring us

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Speaker 1: back the baseball we love, which is makes some contact,

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Speaker 1: get some runners on base, have some tag outs, have

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Speaker 1: steep stealing bases. You know, let's have the action that

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Speaker 1: we fell in love with. Mike, I got some bad

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Speaker 1: news for you. Don't think the Yankees are gonna have

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Speaker 1: any of that for the season for you. So I

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Speaker 1: think you're right, But you know, having some pressed with Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: I mean, his his swing looks good. And I just

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Speaker 1: said the Yankees a lopsided I mean, you have a

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Speaker 1: team that's you know, relied for eighty years on left

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Speaker 1: handed hitting, and you know, they're right handed hitting team.

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Speaker 1: And you know, besides DJ Lmeo, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: they have no contact hitters and they have no idea

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Speaker 1: how to man you facture runs. I mean the Yankees

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Speaker 1: are a perfect example of what's wrong with baseball. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you see the Yankees moving anybody over, and you see

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Speaker 1: the Yankee steeling base. You obvious see the Yankees creator run.

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Speaker 1: Now you know they're always waiting for you know, John

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Speaker 1: Garland to him one out. So they really are in,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a capsule form definition of what's wrong

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Speaker 1: with the game today. Yeah, the three true outcomes right,

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00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: strike out, walk, home run. That's nothing else, don't don't,

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Speaker 1: don't hit behind a run, or don't do anything. Michael,

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Speaker 1: I really, well you have you. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: up the story that I want to get your perspective

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00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: on Lamar Jackson because he doesn't have an agent. He's

633
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Speaker 1: about to sign we think, a mega, mega extension. It

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Speaker 1: could be the biggest contract in NFL history with the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard some whispers that you know, this is

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Speaker 1: not this is not going overwhelm the agent community, per se,

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Speaker 1: because if he if he actually pulls this off and

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Speaker 1: and you know this is seen as a foundational blow

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Speaker 1: if you will, to agents because they because of the commission.

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Speaker 1: But explain to me how concerned or if I'm right

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Speaker 1: on this is what I'm hearing is correct, how concerned

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Speaker 1: the agents are that Lamar is doing this without representation.

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Speaker 1: I'd be very very concerned if I was an agent.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was a Seattle, uh Seattle seahawk explinback

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Speaker 1: who did the same thing a couple of season ago,

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Speaker 1: whose name escapes me, Bobby something or other, and he

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Speaker 1: basically negotiators on the only did it well yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it was kind of like everybody afterwards said, well, he

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Speaker 1: didn't have an agent, you know, he didn't get taken right,

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Speaker 1: he did pretty well for himself. So it can be done.

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Speaker 1: And once you demonstrate that it can be done without

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Speaker 1: giving up that little slice to the agent, you know

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Speaker 1: more players are gonna do it. Uh. So you know,

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Speaker 1: to your point, I am very concerned. I am on

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Speaker 1: red alert. If I'm an agent, I am giving you know,

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise level comfort and service to to my clients,

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Speaker 1: you know, showing up in Phoenix for game or whatever

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Speaker 1: he did uh in the movie. And I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: keep my clients as happy as I can. How much

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Speaker 1: do agents get in the NF I don't baseball. I

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Speaker 1: know more about baseball, But in the NFL, what cut

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Speaker 1: do those guys typically get? Is at four percent? Is

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Speaker 1: at three percent? And what have you heard? Depending on

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Speaker 1: the agent? I mean obviously you know, if you're your

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Speaker 1: Ton Condon or something like that, you know you can

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Speaker 1: get a lot more. But I heard, uh, you know

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Speaker 1: a while back then it was in the area of

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Speaker 1: around three percent. But you know, it depends, Uh, it

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Speaker 1: depends on you know what I mean, how powerful you

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Speaker 1: are as an agent, how what your reputation is, like,

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Speaker 1: what are the clients you have? I mean, so many

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Speaker 1: things in sports, and I think we've all learned this

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Speaker 1: happened because athletes know each other. What what do athletes do?

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Speaker 1: You know? I mean, use my agent, Joe, use my

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Speaker 1: agent Jane. That's how you know they really get their

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Speaker 1: clients by other athletes introducing them to people who they trust.

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Speaker 1: And you know, to me that that trust level and

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Speaker 1: that that familiarity is more important than the percentage interest.

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Speaker 1: And as far as one one last thing on the

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Speaker 1: broad will go back to the broadcasting thing. Michael I

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Speaker 1: I've said, I've seen several stories here recently that the

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Speaker 1: hot commodity. I don't know if I believe this or not.

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Speaker 1: In Sports NFL commentaries r G three Robert Griffin the Third,

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Speaker 1: I is this a story that was planted by his agent?

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Speaker 1: Is this legitimate? Is there a bidding war between major

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Speaker 1: broadcast companies for Robert Griffin the third explain that to me,

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Speaker 1: I think r G three is a hot commodity. Eat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, the hottest thing since Tony Romo, or you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, if you know, Fox and ESPN

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Speaker 1: and go on it going to go out of business

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Speaker 1: bidding against each other for him. I mean, it's pretty normal.

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Speaker 1: You know, every year, as you know, there's you know

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Speaker 1: a new list of players and coaches who try to

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Speaker 1: enter broadcasting, and some of them give great auditions and

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Speaker 1: some of them stink. And he gave apparently a great audition.

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Speaker 1: But you know, RG three still wants to play, so

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Speaker 1: you know, there's no guarantee he's even gonna go into

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Speaker 1: the broadcast boot. But you know, I think it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like, uh, you know, Major League Sports. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're always looking for the new guy, the new hot star,

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody who could come in and sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, change the world the way Romo did. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember when Romo started. You know, there were other

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Speaker 1: people you know, including me, who are like and I

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Speaker 1: will own this for like, how can you get this

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Speaker 1: guy a complete rookie? You know what I mean? The

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Speaker 1: number one job? What are you out of your mind? CBS?

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Speaker 1: And sure enough you proved me and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people wrong. So I think r G three is a

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Speaker 1: legit contender for a job in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the hoot nanny, you know, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of that is hypen absolutely. Hey, uh, Michael, thank

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Speaker 1: you and again promote. The website is a great website.

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Speaker 1: You're interested in the business of sports. It's Front Office Sports.

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Speaker 1: You're all over Twitter. How can people find your Michael?

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Speaker 1: How can people follow you? Well? Thank you again for

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Speaker 1: the invite. Uh. We are at front office Sports dot com.

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Speaker 1: We covered the intersection of sports and business and my

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle is m McCarthy rev. Alright, m McCarthy reb.

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Speaker 1: Very simple, All right, thanks, We have a great weekend. Michael.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Thanks so much.