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Speaker 1: Want Your Flex with Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon. Mike

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Speaker 1: and Dan break down everything you need to set your lineups,

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Speaker 1: Ond Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 3: A humpday edition of I Want Your Flex. He is

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Speaker 3: Mike Carmon on Dan Byer. The executive producer is Ian Roddy.

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Speaker 3: We are not benching Ian Roddy after two games and

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Speaker 3: replacing him with a veteran like the Carolina Panthers did.

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Speaker 4: Mike Carmen, Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're welcoming and you get a little more ron pal. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you still have the job. Unlike Bryce Young does, Ian

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Speaker 3: didn't throw for eighty four yards this past weekend. Like

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young did yet to throw a touchdown pass. No,

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Speaker 3: that's not out of the norm for some of the

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Speaker 3: rookie quarterbacks around the league. But here's the thing. Bryce

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Speaker 3: Young isn't a rookie quarterback. He's in his second year

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Speaker 3: and now headed to the bench in Carolina.

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Speaker 5: I will say the funniest memes and things that popped

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Speaker 5: up where everybody going, Hey, JJ McCarthy has as many

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Speaker 5: touchdown passes as all of these rookie quarterbacks combined. As

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Speaker 5: we know, JJ McCarthy, he's not with us this year.

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Speaker 5: For Bryce Young, fifty five percent completion rate, the interceptions,

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Speaker 5: the ineffectiveness, the missed opportunities, the air mailing of throws,

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Speaker 5: everything there, Dave Canalis was.

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Speaker 2: Expected to work him.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to call it a miracle, but with

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Speaker 5: the roster he's got, with everything that the front office

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Speaker 5: has set on him, I e. Roster construction, which has

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Speaker 5: improved in theory since last year's debacle, but still not

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Speaker 5: enough to push ahead that. I gotta think David Tepper

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Speaker 5: just did the the go to the bullpen motion. I

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Speaker 5: he cursed him out in a long phone call because

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Speaker 5: we looked at the audio can Alice trying to hey,

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Speaker 5: did this come from the top, and he kind of

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Speaker 5: danced a little bit and whatever. It's like, Okay, the

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Speaker 5: code read was ordered from above to try to jumpstart things,

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Speaker 5: and for Bryce Young now it becomes the Hey, if

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Speaker 5: you you need a backup quarterback and you're willing to,

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Speaker 5: you know, wait and work with the guy. You might

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Speaker 5: be able to get him for a bucket of balls

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Speaker 3: It's crazy because number one, it's nineteen games in the

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Speaker 3: you know, his career that we're at this point. But

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Speaker 3: I actually think that it could help. I think that

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Speaker 3: it's one of those well you might as well try

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Speaker 3: it because this isn't working.

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Speaker 5: You know, like, let's do something even if it's wrong.

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Speaker 5: You've got a guy that you know what he is.

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Speaker 5: And now Andy Dalton, and let's face it, he knows

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Speaker 5: what he is at this point. Sure, and it's like

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Speaker 5: we talk about all the time, like a guy like

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Speaker 5: Gardner Minshew. It's an other shot, but it's the I'm

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Speaker 5: just going to be me and I'm not gonna worry

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Speaker 5: necessarily about changing my style and becoming a captain checkdown, no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: My whole thing is I can make plays downfield and

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Speaker 5: push the ball with Andy Dalton.

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Speaker 2: We know what he is.

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Speaker 3: I've said this before and it's not meant to be

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Speaker 3: disparaging towards Bryce Young. I never understood the extreme hype

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Speaker 3: about Anthony Richardson. I can understand that completely his lack

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Speaker 3: But I never understood the love for Bryce Young outside

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Speaker 3: of winning quarterback from Alabama because I felt there was

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Speaker 3: more of a pro ready quarterback. So maybe it is

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Speaker 3: going to take Bryce Young sometime. But with all that

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Speaker 3: being said, you're Mike, the call did come from upstairs.

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Speaker 3: I also think that when your GM is a former

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Speaker 3: NFL player and Dan Morgan, you also understand, all right,

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Speaker 3: we kind of have to do this for the locker room,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that Dan Morgan made the call.

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Speaker 3: If Dave Temper made the call, Dan Morgan's gonna make

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Speaker 3: end after two weeks. Andy Dalton, as he said, knows

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Speaker 3: what he is and who he is fantasy wise. It's

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Speaker 3: It's gonna help Adam thiel It's gonna help all of

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Speaker 3: welcome news to anybody who had any Carolina panther. But yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: they needed they just need something. They need something to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at it.

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Speaker 5: You know, when we talk about the distribution in past

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Speaker 5: attempt thus far, fifty five targets out there, Deontay Johnson's

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Speaker 5: Adam Thielen might be the biggest beneficiary here because it's

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Speaker 5: far sixteen carries seventy eight yards. It's a nice average.

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Speaker 5: He'll catch the ball out of the backfield a little bit.

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Speaker 5: But the key is, you know, at this point, it's

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Speaker 5: the first two weeks were just such a disaster, such

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Speaker 5: a disaster to try to to watch and when you've

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Speaker 2: Bad for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, I think those are in the postgame comments.

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Speaker 5: It's like, Okay, now we've hit a whole other level.

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Speaker 5: So just curious to watch this next iteration again. Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 5: long tenured NFL player, But it's the shake it up.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you learn from the bench, maybe canals behind the scenes,

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Speaker 5: there's some other work to be done. Do you expect

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Speaker 5: the hook quite so fast? No, but we know Tepper

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Speaker 5: So I guess it can't. It can't shock us too much.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you something else. I know

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Speaker 3: it's the Raiders home opener on Sunday, but it's an

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Speaker 3: actual winnable game now, Like the Raiders are coming off

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Speaker 3: of a huge win in Baltimore. Gardner Minshew loves to

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Speaker 3: thrive as the underdog, right, He's actually now not the

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Speaker 3: you know what, let Andy Dalton navigate this middle portion

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Speaker 3: you will, of your season, see how those seven eight,

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Speaker 3: do which they still owe your Bears draft capital coming up.

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Speaker 3: So but you're gonna have to make the decision. Bryce

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Speaker 3: Young is going to have to play again this year

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Speaker 3: at the time being, it's gonna be Andy Dalton and

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Speaker 3: then the silver lining again. It's good for fantasy owners

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Speaker 3: if you have any Carolina panther at.

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Speaker 5: Least a little bit of juice. There no question about it.

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Speaker 5: Looking at the line, it started as Raiders minus seven

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Speaker 2: Minus four wow three points.

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Speaker 5: Three points for good old Andy Dalton's That's good to know.

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Speaker 5: But here's all of the curiosity, because you know, hey,

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Speaker 5: we need to get some hot takery going on in

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Speaker 5: some of this stuff. If you were a quarterback prospect

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Speaker 2: Are you going Eli Manning?

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Speaker 5: Because canalist may not survive the season? Again, it's the

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Speaker 5: temper effect. Yes, the idea that I could be with

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Speaker 5: this quarterback guy, whatever we did with Baker Mayfield, whatever,

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Speaker 5: he may not even be there to be the hey

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Speaker 3: Sure, Hey, coaching coaches did it. Ben Johnson didn't want

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Speaker 3: t J huschman Zada even said on Fox earlier this

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Speaker 3: this this is a job that not many people want

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Speaker 3: So now to your point, Mike, if you're a prime quarterback,

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Speaker 3: do you really want to go to Carolina? Yeah? And

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Speaker 3: pull that Eli Manning. Probably the only thing that I

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Speaker 3: maybe don't draft the quarterback and try to build up

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Speaker 3: your actual team so it isn't dog crap around him.

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Speaker 5: No, But that's the other part of it, right, is, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: everybody wants the shiny toy that they can sell. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's the other thing that maybe as a league,

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Speaker 5: we need your teams healthy, not just a short push

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Speaker 5: to sell a couple extra season tickets. Yeah, right, because

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Speaker 5: look at what the Chargers did. They already bought the

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Speaker 5: they already bought the quarterback, right, they already paid justin Herbert,

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Speaker 5: that your number one pick from last year pans out.

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Speaker 5: And he did right week two, two touchdowns for Johnson.

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Speaker 5: They go into draft Joe alt So now you've got

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Speaker 2: Was it sexy?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Was it popular? In Los Angeles?

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Speaker 5: Oh, hell no. You can read plenty of articles. It's like, well,

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Speaker 5: I guess reluctantly, begrudgingly, Yeah, I guess that's a horrorball

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody does. In the draft, I have said to

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Speaker 3: the cows, come home. I would just draft offensive and

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Speaker 3: defensive linemans. If I was an NFLGM, it's all I

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Speaker 3: would draft, because that's where you win. The Pana Sewel

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase argument seemed real, real fun when the Bengals

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Speaker 3: were rolling and going to the Super Bowl a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago. Now, who would you rather have? Sure,

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Speaker 3: who's happier with their draft pick right now? Cincinnati with

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase or Pana Sewel with the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to that point, Dan, I would just say, it's

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Speaker 5: last two Super Bowls. Guess who wasn't there number right

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Speaker 5: right all these years? And it's not that you don't

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Speaker 5: need great receivers and complimentary players and all that other thing,

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Speaker 5: But if you can't keep a guy up right, what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did love the fact that you you immediately

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Speaker 3: There, so hilarious. That was all because of their sign

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Speaker 3: He is Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. Our executive producer

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Speaker 3: is Ian Roddy. And guys, I gotta be honest with this.

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Speaker 3: I'm in multiple leagues, in Survivor pool's, in pick contests.

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Speaker 3: I think, like all of us are. We have a

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Speaker 3: that I lost in another league, Like there's no goodness

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Speaker 5: Well, and part of part of you wants to, you know,

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Speaker 5: send a card to Vic Fangio. Yes, thanks, but you know,

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Speaker 5: when it comes down to it, I get more concerned

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Speaker 2: Then I don't steer somebody wrong.

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Speaker 4: You're a man of the people, Mike, Well.

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Speaker 5: You know my own stuff. You draft enough teams. They

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Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but mine mine kind of

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Speaker 5: no way I'm hitting the equal replacement to all of

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Speaker 3: Nailed Wandelle Robinson in this past week.

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Speaker 4: I picked on your advice.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he scored.

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Speaker 2: Well, see small victories? Can he kick?

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Speaker 3: Don't ask Brian dayboll because he's not prepared for it.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, not to not at all talk about

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Speaker 2: Until you didn't.

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Speaker 5: But it's just the idea that you know, you draft squads,

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Speaker 2: The draft happens so far ahead of.

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Speaker 4: That's why you got a draft as soon as or

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, But that's the point. It's like I'm

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Speaker 5: in all these industry things, right, so like they're all

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Speaker 4: At least you then have an excuse built in though,

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Speaker 4: because if you don't like your team, you can always say, well,

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Speaker 4: I you know, I liked him a few months ago,

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Speaker 3: Well. I also think Mike is in a little different

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Speaker 3: like like he is. Listen to the podcast, He's breaking

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's the layout of the show. I can tell

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm not saying it doesn't. It doesn't get you.

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Speaker 5: I'm just trying to temperate. Like when I give someone

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Don't you have a fantasy podcast, Yeah, do I get

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Speaker 2: Why because I beat his.

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Speaker 2: Which? You need to build that appy?

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Speaker 5: And that's a there you go, You're eating all your

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Speaker 4: You want to know Another thing too, that's really annoying

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Speaker 4: the loss that week. Yeah, yeah, yes, Yeah, that happened

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Speaker 4: Yeap, just this week. Like I said, I'm in five leagues,

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Speaker 2: Now, you're a liar.

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Speaker 4: I'm never that next year.

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Speaker 3: You're right, it is your Yeah, once you do too many,

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Speaker 4: I can't. I can't do this many again. It's too much.

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Speaker 3: I was a one guy league for so long.

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Speaker 4: That's what I feel like. You get the most enjoyment out.

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Speaker 5: Of Yes, well you've been doing the league with your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is year twenty seven. So this is our

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Speaker 4: I'm twenty four years old. I know your league is

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Speaker 3: round before Ian was born. Yeah, those were those are

434
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Speaker 3: some of.

435
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Speaker 5: The drafts taking us all the way back in nineteen

436
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 5: ninety three and a young Jerome Bennis coming.

437
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: Out of Oh we had we had the first we

438
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: had our first year of this league was in the

439
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Speaker 3: fall of ninety eight, and we had actually a league

440
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: the year before that that just had like way too

441
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: many people and so we kind of settled on a core,

442
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: you know, group and worked through that. But this one

443
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 3: has been twenty seven leagues. But my point was when

444
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: I when I just added one extra team. It took

445
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Speaker 3: me a whole season to remember that I had another team. Sure,

446
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: and I remember when Calvin really didn't make the flight

447
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 3: to London or it was or or he wasn't playing

448
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: in the London game, and that was an early morning game.

449
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: I completely forgot to change my lineup.

450
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Speaker 2: But you know what that was the Yeah.

451
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Speaker 5: That and when we start getting the international games on

452
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 5: a bigger scale. Yeah, like getting used to oh that's

453
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 5: a six thirty sure Pacific time kickoff. That that got

454
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 5: lost in a lot of leagues.

455
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: For sure, I completely forgot. But and that was blasphemy

456
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: to me, like how could I play someone who never

457
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 3: played But it's just I knew that he wasn't in

458
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: my main league, and then then I just completely spaced

459
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: on the other league. But it took me a while

460
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: to let alone. Now I have to remember five leagues.

461
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Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it. Ian.

462
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to prioritize for sure, like you know,

463
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 4: some are more important than others. So I guess to

464
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 4: that point, I can get more excited for certain players

465
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: scoring touchdowns, but there's always that thing in the back

466
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: of your mind that you know, I'm going to be

467
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 4: playing someone that I have. It's just bound to happen.

468
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: Mike, is there any like one league that you enjoy

469
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 3: or is it still just all again working at KFC.

470
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 3: Here's your here's your eight piece meal with your four sides.

471
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 5: No, look, there's there's the one industry league. I've done

472
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: well in most years. I've had a couple of absolutely

473
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 5: disastrous where all the theory testing went wrong, But you know,

474
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: it's it's one that's been around forever, and I got

475
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 5: invited to that back when Fantasy was more or less

476
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 5: all I was doing, writing columns and doing videos and

477
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: working of course on the Sunday Show on Fox Sports Radio.

478
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: And so being invited into that club.

479
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 5: Was was pretty cool because it was a lot of

480
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 5: guys magazine publishers and back when you know, the news

481
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 5: stand was full of them, not that we still don't

482
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 5: get our share of them, but you know, their level

483
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 5: of importance and throughput and whatever being different, but like

484
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 5: being invited into that club, right, because sometimes when you

485
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 5: work at a bigger place, when I worked at Yahoo

486
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 5: and certainly coming over to Fox, you're on that side

487
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 5: because you're on the big you know, you're with the

488
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 5: big corporate entities. So it gets a little different of

489
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 5: a look, see, and that's not a woe is me,

490
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 5: it's just a reality. So to be invited in that club,

491
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 5: you know, and being able to stay there for all

492
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: those years, yeah, that that holds a little more resonance.

493
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 5: And you know, there's some smack talking, but mostly it's

494
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: a space not to you know, the mutual admiration society

495
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 5: kind of thing, but just a hey, we've been in

496
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 5: these you know, in this space a long time together

497
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: and now it's the next iteration of matching wits and

498
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: which guys are adapting to new new ways of doing

499
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 5: things and evaluating players and stats and kind of like

500
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 5: they're doing with Major League Baseball.

501
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: Right.

502
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 5: It was a joke and moneyball of hey, you're out,

503
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 5: you know, with in terms of the old timey stats

504
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 5: of what you see versus you know what expected values

505
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 5: and all of those things. And we see it right

506
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: now in Major League Baseball a lot. There are a

507
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: lot of changes in scouting departments here. Likewise in doing

508
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 5: fantasy evaluation. You know, I'd always relied on you know,

509
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 5: I watched the games and did all that, and then

510
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 5: you'd have guys that are just running numbers and may

511
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 5: may not want It's like, you know, the gambling side

512
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 5: of things too. A lot of folks who all, right,

513
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 5: these are the numbers, this is what it spits out.

514
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: Do you watch the games?

515
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 5: Nope, I still enjoy watching football to where, you know what,

516
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 5: I'll be wrong with my eye test as opposed to

517
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 5: just spinning out some numbers. But that's where the great

518
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 5: divide is and where the fun of those leagues are,

519
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 5: because there still are a number of folks who kind

520
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: of look at it the old way like I did.

521
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: Sure, and those and those betters are only in it

522
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: for the money. Yeah, they don't like We like football.

523
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: We enjoy football, We get a kick out of it.

524
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: We want to think that we know more than maybe

525
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: someone else, or want to get that right pick. But man,

526
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: sometimes and it just reminds me. You know, actually how

527
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: I got like reminded of this aside from the ulcer

528
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: that I usually get weekly on Monday night, you know,

529
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: for something happening. Mancy belaanyos who people know what Fox

530
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: Sports are Idea like out the door when Marvin Harrison

531
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: scored his second touchdown and she was like, you know,

532
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: he's to Ian's point, like he's in my most important

533
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: league or to what you're saying, like you know, he

534
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: was excited about that, and I'm like, man, like I

535
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: do have a more important league for sure. You know,

536
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: that's the one that I that I lost on on

537
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: Monday night. But man, I'm like, god, I got to

538
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: figure out a way to enjoy this more, you know,

539
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: like to get the highest because otherwise I'm like, this

540
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: is why am I doing this?

541
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: Well, that's and like Ian, like Ian, you were in

542
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 5: the hallway on Monday night before the football game's on

543
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 5: a one screen. We have our multi screen us set

544
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 5: up and we're waiting in the bullpen. The Odd couple

545
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: Kelvin Washington in with Rob Parker and they're in the studio.

546
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: So Smith and I my partner Jason Smith for the uninitiated.

547
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 5: We're sitting there in huge Jets and Mets fan and

548
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 5: he starts screaming as the final out of the Metsgan

549
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: is recorded like he's been talking like for twenty minutes,

550
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: as if he's either the third base coach or the

551
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 5: loudmouth in the front row who's watching all the action

552
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 5: and has to call it all and like. But his

553
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 5: level of excitement to a full woo that was not

554
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: a Rick Flair impression, right, It was all just you know,

555
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 5: genuine excitement to it. It's like, I get that to

556
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 5: a degree, but not to that same level. And I

557
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: hate him for it that it's still that kid like

558
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 5: wonder and excitement ride the lightning thing. And he's the

559
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 5: same way with fantasy. And I'm jealous of that. Yeah, right,

560
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 5: that I get it in spots, and certainly when I

561
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 5: watch my teams, I have it.

562
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't do it as outwardly.

563
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: Maybe I did a little bit on Sunday night with

564
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: the Bears Texans on the wishing, wanting, hoping that they'd

565
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 5: steal that game, but I don't. I don't have that

566
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 5: big visceral reaction to it the same way. Maybe it's

567
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 5: all the years of losing that had beat me down

568
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 5: from my actual teams. That's now translated back into the

569
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 5: fantasy world, right, I mean, I got a World Series

570
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 5: that's two thousand and five. I got a super Bowl

571
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 5: that was nineteen eighty five. We did get another appearance

572
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: down in Miami, but all anybody remembers was Prince's Purple Rain,

573
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: So you know all of that to say, you know,

574
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: and nobody cares about the Blackhawks winning titles and nineteen

575
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 5: ninety eight is a distant memory in the basketball side,

576
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 5: So you get years of losing and a lot of

577
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 5: hope built up.

578
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: Fantasy is the same way.

579
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 5: You start out great and then you lose one or

580
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: two guys like all right, it's gone to hell and

581
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: it's done it again.

582
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: So riding the lightning.

583
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 5: But I'm jealous of those that had that juice like

584
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 5: Ian describes right that momentum, or Monsey running out of

585
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: a studio because she's that jacked up, Like I wish

586
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 5: I still got to that, And it's not what was me.

587
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 5: Mike's an old man whatever, it's just a different way

588
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 5: of approach that you do. Now you put me on

589
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: the sideline of one of my kids games, I'm a

590
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: different animal right, individual investment and whatever else. Yeah, versus

591
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 5: I know I have to go talk about all thirty

592
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: two teams.

593
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and when Manci did that, the reason why

594
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: it also resonated with me was I had Marvin Harrison

595
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: Junior on one of my teams, and I wasn't running

596
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: out of the room, you know, like yelling and jumping

597
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: up and screaming, and I'm like, maybe I should be,

598
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: because that's what this is all about.

599
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 5: Oh, that's it, buddy, Yeah, trying to figure that out,

600
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: you know, is you know, making sure that we're still

601
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: finding the proverbial wins and excite me because it's a

602
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 5: hell of a time and especially if you can then

603
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 5: send a quick note to your friend saying did you

604
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 5: catch this? Here's the highlight, you know, retweeted from Twitter.

605
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: Well I'll tell you Ian, go down to two leagues

606
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: next year. You don't need the other three.

607
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: You don't even tell me twice. Yeah, that is exactly

608
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: what I plan on doing.

609
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, well this is fun. This is

610
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: a good little little break from the norm to just

611
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: talk fantasy, not even about the NFL teams, but the

612
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: actual exercise itself. So yeah, we'll do it again, and

613
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: when we do it again, Mike Carmon will give you

614
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: his rankings for Week three plus the Hot Place, Cold Soars,

615
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: and so much more. Ian will have a streaming defense

616
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: and I will not have a survivor pick for you again.

617
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: Self imposed one week ban for how bad I've been

618
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: so for Ian, Roddy, and Mike Carmon. I'm Dan Bayer.

619
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: Can't wait to talk to you next time right here,

620
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: and I want your flex