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Speaker 1: Thank you, welcome, Welcome to the Daily Show. My name
Speaker 1: is John Stuart. Now where was I? I'm excited to
Speaker 1: be back. I'm very excited you good to see you. Guys.
Speaker 1: Why am I back?
Speaker 4: You may be asking yourselves, it's a very reasonable question.
Speaker 4: I have committed a lot of crimes.
Speaker 1: From what I understand, talk show host or granted immunity,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense. But
Speaker 1: take it up with the founders. I don't know.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have so much. We're gonna talk about this year.
Speaker 4: Obviously elections. Maybe we'll talk about China. Maybe we'll talk
Speaker 4: about Ai. Maybe something a little lighter, Israel, Palestine.
Speaker 1: Who knows. But first, the Super Bowl was yesterday. Gentleman
Speaker 1: in the crowd, who's delighted the Kansas City won? It
Speaker 1: was really sadly a lose lose for real America.
Speaker 4: Kansas City chiefs World Champions, which means the decades long
Speaker 4: plot in which Travis and Taylor brainwash America into getting
Speaker 4: into getting routine vaccinations is complete. But it was really
Speaker 4: kind of a no win for conservatives. I mean, if
Speaker 4: the chiefs lost, who wins the People's Communist Republic of
Speaker 4: Gay Pelosi, Stan. It's almost like the rights ridiculous obsession
Speaker 4: with politicizing every aspect of American life ruins everything. But
Speaker 4: now that it's over nine months till the election, people,
Speaker 4: and the exciting.
Speaker 1: Part is we already know our candidates.
Speaker 5: It's drum roll, please these guys.
Speaker 4: That's why tonight we're debut in our election coverage in
Speaker 4: Decision twenty twenty four American Democracy.
Speaker 1: Tanta. It's a homophone.
Speaker 4: We didn't change this out of the word, but we
Speaker 4: had it a K, which makes it wittier.
Speaker 6: How about and his ageing reny far e lectileon.
Speaker 1: We changed the one letter. Are you disappointed yet?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and Donald Trump?
Speaker 4: And by the way, this weekend the big news was
Speaker 4: the Special Council report on Joe Biden's handling of classified information.
Speaker 7: The Special Council's report offers scathing details of what it
Speaker 7: calls is diminished faculties and faulty memory writing. If charged,
Speaker 7: mister Biden will likely present himself to the jury as
Speaker 7: he did during his interview with our office as a
Speaker 7: sympathetic will meaning elderly man with a poor memory.
Speaker 1: Where did I park those documents?
Speaker 4: This guy couldn't remember stuff during his deposition.
Speaker 1: Do you understand what that means?
Speaker 4: He had no ability to recall very basic things under questioning.
Speaker 4: The footage of the president unable to recall simple facts
Speaker 4: must have been brutal to watch.
Speaker 8: James Webb, I don't remember the news, I don't remember
Speaker 8: the names.
Speaker 1: I don't remember ever buying something from myself.
Speaker 4: Did you recall what years you were married to Ms Naples?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember that.
Speaker 8: As good as my memory is, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: That, but I did so.
Speaker 3: You don't remember saying you have one of the best
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I'm all right over over on footage.
Speaker 4: That's the high functioning candidate from nine years ago, unable
Speaker 4: to recall if he has a good memory. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: here's the actual footage.
Speaker 3: Who created Trump International real time?
Speaker 9: I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember the email.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't remember this. I just don't
Speaker 1: seem to recall anything about this. He actually seemed upset
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yes, it turns out that the leading cause of early
Speaker 4: onset dementia is being deposed.
Speaker 1: But back to President Biden.
Speaker 4: Biden was not about to take the Special Counsel's characterizations
Speaker 4: lying down, although chances are he was lying down when
Speaker 4: the point is this to the press conference, batman.
Speaker 11: My memory is fine, my memory. Take a look at
Speaker 11: what I've done since I become president. None of you
Speaker 11: thought I could pass any of the things I got passed.
Speaker 7: How did that happen?
Speaker 11: I know what the hell I'm doing, and I'm president.
Speaker 11: I put this country back on his sheet. He did
Speaker 11: not say that. Okay, oh he did say that, mister president.
Speaker 1: What about question?
Speaker 12: Then American people have been watching and they have expressed
Speaker 12: concerns about your aide.
Speaker 1: That is your judgment. That is your judgment.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 1: He took them to the house.
Speaker 4: He was all over it, Joe Biden, taking names, tacking
Speaker 4: ass press conference over. You didn't mess up, You didn't No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Don't stop. Wait, hold on, hold on, sir, don't no.
Speaker 1: You killed this. Take the w what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Do not go?
Speaker 4: Allow me to present to you a one man show
Speaker 4: about what Joe Biden's advisor were doing when he turned
Speaker 4: around and went back to the podium. The show is
Speaker 4: called no, do not go back, please, but he went back.
Speaker 11: I'm of the view, as you know, that the conduct
Speaker 11: of the response in the Gaza strip has been over
Speaker 11: the top.
Speaker 1: Garbanzu Garment.
Speaker 4: Gosa, by the way, the response in Gaza has been
Speaker 4: over the top, you know. I like how Biden describes
Speaker 4: Israel's incessant bombing of civilians the same way my mother
Speaker 4: talks about the Super Bowl halftime show.
Speaker 6: It was a little much. Did they need to be
Speaker 6: unrolling skins? Whatever happened? In music, you sing the song
Speaker 6: and people belove it. But with the abs and the darling.
Speaker 1: And the hits kept coming.
Speaker 11: Initially, the president of Mexico CCI did not want to
Speaker 11: open up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in.
Speaker 4: Now, geography, buffs might have noticed Gaza and Mexico do
Speaker 4: not share a border. That Biden was referring to Cci
Speaker 4: the president of Egypt, not Mexican, unless it was even
Speaker 4: worse than that, and he thinks the president of Mexico
Speaker 4: is named see see So Joe Biden had a big
Speaker 4: press conference to dispel the notion that he may have
Speaker 4: lost a step and politically speaking, lost three to four steps,
Speaker 4: but don't worry because they don't need the press conference.
Speaker 4: The Super Bowl was on Sunday, and the President was
Speaker 4: offered a chance, as per tradition, to do an interview
Speaker 4: where millions and millions of people could see him competently
Speaker 4: and clearly lay out his twenty twenty four agenda.
Speaker 1: Or he could just turn that down and do what
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 3: The Biden Harris campaign joined TikTok.
Speaker 1: Over the weekend.
Speaker 4: The first video was released during the Super Bowl and
Speaker 4: it shows President Biden answering questions related to the Big Game.
Speaker 13: Gamer halftime Showy Jason Kelcey or Travis Kelceie.
Speaker 11: Mama comes innerstation, great chalk.
Speaker 14: Chip cookies, fire everyone everyone. How do you go on
Speaker 14: TikTok and end up looking older? So yes, everyone spent
Speaker 14: the entire weekend talking about whether the Democratic choice for
Speaker 14: president is mentally up to the challenge of the world's
Speaker 14: most demanding job.
Speaker 1: So what was his opponent saying this weekend? We have
Speaker 1: to win in November. Well, we're not going to have Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: They'll change the name.
Speaker 8: They're going to change the name of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: I can't believe I've lived in New Jersey this long
Speaker 4: and have been mispronouncing Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Apparently the emphasis is in the end of the day. Yes,
Speaker 1: it should be noted well.
Speaker 4: Concerns over any president's fitness and acuity are legitimate, especially
Speaker 4: though it was at an advanced age. Biden's opponent also
Speaker 4: seems to live at the villages, so the question then becomes,
Speaker 4: what the are we doing here people?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's a nice indecision twenty twenty four title.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4: Biden's lost the step, but Trump regularly says things at
Speaker 4: rallies that would warrant a wellness check.
Speaker 8: Well, I know about magnuss is. Give me a glance
Speaker 8: of water, let me drop it on the magnus.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the magnus. I am not a scientist.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure water is not the end of magnet's sight.
Speaker 4: I think he may be thinking of cotton candy. Pretty
Speaker 4: easy to mix those up. It's probably why the front
Speaker 4: of his refrigerator is so messy.
Speaker 1: It's just it's sticky. And look, look these two candidates.
Speaker 4: They're very kind with your enthusiasm. These two candidates. They
Speaker 4: are both similarly challenged, and it is not crazy to
Speaker 4: think that the oldest people in the history of the
Speaker 4: country to ever run for president might have some of
Speaker 4: these challenges. Now, Democrats will say that any criticism like this,
Speaker 4: especially of Biden, is unfair because you just don't know
Speaker 4: Biden like they know Biden.
Speaker 11: President Biden, who I've been around numerous times just in
Speaker 11: this last year, is sharp.
Speaker 1: He's focused, He's right.
Speaker 9: He is sharp, intensely probing and detail oriented and focused.
Speaker 16: This is a man who is sharp, who is on
Speaker 16: top of his game, who knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: He's on his game.
Speaker 17: I was in almost every meeting with the President, and
Speaker 17: the President was in front of and on top of
Speaker 17: it all coordinating and directing leaders who are in charge
Speaker 17: of America's national security. Not to mention our allies around
Speaker 17: the globe.
Speaker 18: Did anyone film that, because if you're.
Speaker 4: If you're telling us behind the scenes, he is sharp
Speaker 4: and full of energy and on top of it and
Speaker 4: really in control and leading, you should film that. That
Speaker 4: would be good to show to people instead of a
Speaker 4: TikTok where he goes.
Speaker 1: We see he's in charge. You see Helloki.
Speaker 4: Of course, when it comes to Republicans, they've got a
Speaker 4: different strategy for their seventy seven year old candidate.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Donald Trump is not an old man.
Speaker 1: He's an old man.
Speaker 4: He is objectively an old man on a human scale.
Speaker 4: Trump is objectively Oh, if he was a tortoise, I
Speaker 4: would tell him as a tortoise at seventy seven, Oh,
Speaker 4: young man, go off and enjoy college.
Speaker 1: But he is not a tourist. He's not a tortoise.
Speaker 1: That is not being.
Speaker 4: Agist, that is being human life spanist. One thing we
Speaker 4: know for certain is this, we have two candidates who
Speaker 4: are chronologically outside the norm of anyone who has run
Speaker 4: for the presidency in this country in the history of
Speaker 4: this country. They are the oldest people ever to run
Speaker 4: for president, breaking by only four years the record that
Speaker 4: they sacked.
Speaker 1: The last time they ran. They are at the age.
Speaker 1: They are objectively old. They're at the age.
Speaker 4: There are no more age related milestones to hint.
Speaker 1: They got the RP card, they've.
Speaker 4: Got Social Security, they've got their movie discounts. There is
Speaker 4: no oh wait till you hit eighty eight, you get
Speaker 4: to drink and drive. No, the only thing left to
Speaker 4: them is a Today Show Smucker's shout out. You know what,
Speaker 4: I think we've got a new name for our election coverage.
Speaker 4: In Decision twenty twenty four Antiques Roadshow.
Speaker 1: All right, look, here's where I'm gonna tire.
Speaker 4: We're not suggesting neither man is vibrant, productive, or even capable,
Speaker 4: but they're both stretching the limits of being able to
Speaker 4: handle the toughest job in the world. What's crazy is
Speaker 4: thing thinking that we're the ones, as voters who must
Speaker 4: silence concerns and criticisms. It is the candidate's job to
Speaker 4: assuage concerns, not the voter's job not to mention them.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not trying to be I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be cruel.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to. I don't want to have to
Speaker 4: do this on my first day. Come over here, look
Speaker 4: at me. Look what time hath throught?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, give the kids a tree of the lunar surface. Here,
Speaker 1: look at this. I'm like twenty years younger than these.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 1: Look at this. They wish by the way, you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't. Here's the truth.
Speaker 4: And if you think, like, oh, twenty years isn't that long,
Speaker 4: this is me twenty years ago.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and perhaps it was my mistake
Speaker 13: for sleeping in a neat dehydrator.
Speaker 1: Look, Joe Biden isn't Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: He hasn't been indicted as many times, hasn't had as
Speaker 4: many fraudulent businesses, or been convicted in a civil trial
Speaker 4: or sexual assault, or been ordered to pay defamation, and
Speaker 4: had his charities disbanded or stiffed to shit down a
Speaker 4: blue collar tradesmen he'd hired. Should we even get to
Speaker 4: the grab the pussy stuff?
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 4: But the stakes of this election don't make Donald Trump's
Speaker 4: opponent less subject to scrutiny. It actually makes him more
Speaker 4: subject to scrutiny. If the barbarians are at the gate,
Speaker 4: you want Conan standing on the ramparts, not chuck.
Speaker 1: It, Chip Cookie. So what's the good news? That was
Speaker 1: not rhetorical framing. I'm literally asking you.
Speaker 4: Look, the next nine months or so, and maybe more
Speaker 4: than that, depending on the coup schedule, they're gonna suck.
Speaker 4: You're going to be getting emails with insane subject lines
Speaker 4: like Hello, John, it's Chuck Schumer. Donald Trump is right
Speaker 4: behind you with a knife.
Speaker 1: The name.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get in dated with robocalls and push poles
Speaker 4: and real poles, and people are going to tell you
Speaker 4: to rock the vote and be the vote, and vote
Speaker 4: the vote and finger bang the vote, and it's all
Speaker 4: going to make you feel like Tuesday, November fifth, is
Speaker 4: the only day that matters, and that day does matter.
Speaker 4: But man, November six ain't nothing to sneeze at or
Speaker 4: November seventh. If your guy loses, bad things might happen,
Speaker 4: but the country is not over, and if your guy wins,
Speaker 4: the country is in no way saved. I've learned one
Speaker 4: thing over these last nine years, and I was glib
Speaker 4: at best and probably dismissive at worst about this. The
Speaker 4: work of making this world resemble one that you would
Speaker 4: prefer to live in is a lunch.
Speaker 1: Pale job, day in and day out.
Speaker 4: Where thousands have committed anonymous, smart and dedicated people bang
Speaker 4: on closed doors and pick up those that are fallen,
Speaker 4: and grind away on issues till they get a positive result,
Speaker 4: and even then have to stay on to make sure
Speaker 4: that result holds.
Speaker 1: So the good news is.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you don't have to worry about who
Speaker 4: wins the election. I'm saying you have to worry about
Speaker 4: every day before it and every day after.
Speaker 1: For average, although.
Speaker 4: On the plus side, I am told that at some
Speaker 4: point the sun will run out of hydrogen.
Speaker 1: We come back with that full team coverage. Don't go up.
Speaker 3: Right about the Dawn Show.
Speaker 4: For the next nine months, the news media is going
Speaker 4: to be overwhelming you with NonStop election coverage, and we
Speaker 4: want to be a part of that. So we're gonna
Speaker 4: preview our wall to wall election season coverage with the
Speaker 4: best news team going.
Speaker 12: We've got a very own Desie Riadock and Michael Casta.
Speaker 1: Desie welcome, Michael, Welcome. Desie. I'll start with you. Where
Speaker 1: are you going to be reporting from this election season?
Speaker 9: John, I'm going to be spending the next nine months
Speaker 9: here in a Michigan diner, because diners are where real
Speaker 9: Americans eat. The people are gritty, the menus are sticky,
Speaker 9: and the chickens have fingers.
Speaker 16: And I'll be in the same diner as Desi, but
Speaker 16: the realer part of the diner, not the booth section
Speaker 16: with all the coastal elite Democrats and their fancy back support.
Speaker 16: I'll be spending the campaign at the counter with the
Speaker 16: Trump voters, because realer Americans want to sit at the
Speaker 16: bar stool on their coats, John.
Speaker 1: Michael, what are Trump voters think about this election?
Speaker 16: Oh, they're excited for President Trump to win the president
Speaker 16: a third time and enact his agenda.
Speaker 4: When they talk about the border wall tariffs, that's what
Speaker 4: they're excited for.
Speaker 16: No, I would say the vengeance, total and utter vengeance.
Speaker 16: One woman I met irene retired nurse. She said that
Speaker 16: she hopes that Trump will quote split the skies and
Speaker 16: rain fire upon the States of Blue, his terrible blades,
Speaker 16: sundering his enemies until nature herself bows before his dominion,
Speaker 16: and his name is carved upon the moon end quote.
Speaker 4: They're also enthusiasm on the Democratic side, doesn't oh, oh.
Speaker 9: The Democrats are pumped for Joe Biden, whether it's this
Speaker 9: Joe Biden or maybe someone else who changes their name
Speaker 9: to Joe Biden. Point is, everyone's excited and no one's
Speaker 9: crying in the bathroom.
Speaker 4: It sounds like things are going very well and will
Speaker 4: certainly be John up here.
Speaker 5: It don't say song, everybody, don't.
Speaker 1: Don't happen.
Speaker 4: It looks like it looks like you're outside. Why aren't
Speaker 4: you inside the diner asking people what they think?
Speaker 10: I know what they think. It's what everybody thinks. This
Speaker 10: is the same shit all over again. It's just a reboot.
Speaker 10: We need more than just the same show with an older,
Speaker 10: yet familiar faith.
Speaker 4: You mean you're talking two candidates you're talking to Yeah?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I already had this job, not his
Speaker 10: old white dudes gotta come back and reclaim it, like,
Speaker 10: come on, so go do something. No, it's so desperate, like,
Speaker 10: let someone else run the show.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the election, right, I say it?
Speaker 16: What I say it, John, John, John, I disagree. You
Speaker 16: won't find a single Republican who will say they don't
Speaker 16: want to vote for Trump.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 16: Is that because they're afraid of being murdered by other
Speaker 16: Trump voters? Yes, but being afraid is a form of excitement.
Speaker 9: Yeah, same here John. The Democrats here can't wait to
Speaker 9: show their Joe Biden support with these great campaign.
Speaker 4: Shirts' does he? His name is Velcrote on that shirt?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, what's underneath the name? Does he? So they're
Speaker 1: pounding up. They're counting on Taylor Swift to jump into
Speaker 1: the race.
Speaker 9: Oh my god, no, no, why has she said something
Speaker 9: to you?
Speaker 1: No, listen, guys, thank you so much. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great camp pet. Is that Ronnie Chang behind you? Dead?
Speaker 12: Oh wow, hey John, Hey Ronnie, it's great to see
Speaker 12: you're gonna be out on the campaign trail.
Speaker 1: What do you got?
Speaker 19: I go uhetial finish John. That's a lot of them.
Speaker 19: Do they're frozen in the mill, Matthew, John, Ronie.
Speaker 12: What about the tablet Tony Turk?
Speaker 1: This behavior? What about the people there? Ronnie? What are
Speaker 1: their beliefs? Their positions? Talking about that position? The position
Speaker 1: is hanout play. This is a dina people come there?
Speaker 1: I thought nothing. I quick both in the fake. No fy,
Speaker 1: get back over here. Don't you walk away? Ronnie? You
Speaker 1: are there to get a story. I asked some of
Speaker 1: the questions. All right, was the front little BRONI chang.
Speaker 1: Everybody give it up one more time? The nerves thing?
Speaker 1: You know? If I can say just this one thing
Speaker 1: when you consider the election, O John braw friction.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: Jordan Klepper, everybody, I didn't I didn't see there. He
Speaker 4: must have snug up. Shouldn't you be out somewhere talking
Speaker 4: to insurrectionists in a parking lot?
Speaker 1: Ooh biting, John biting.
Speaker 20: You must be so proud of yourself with all these
Speaker 20: little satirical bits exposing the absurdities of our political process.
Speaker 1: I mean it was fun. We had a fun day.
Speaker 1: We had fun making this stuff up. Oh, I bet
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 20: Did you save democracy yet?
Speaker 18: No?
Speaker 20: Your nineties brand of snark in both siderism, Oh George
Speaker 20: Bush's dumb?
Speaker 1: Oh Gorge so boring? Wow, seirring, John, I wasn't really
Speaker 1: trying to save democracy.
Speaker 20: I was just trying to All you do is brainwash
Speaker 20: voters into accepting a corrosive status quo when they could
Speaker 20: be out marching in the streets to affect change.
Speaker 1: Frankly, you discussed me. I can tell that from the
Speaker 1: tone of your voice on there.
Speaker 4: But you know, Jordan, I'm here like once a week,
Speaker 4: Like seriously, what do you what do you want from me?
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, days, you're only here once a week.
Speaker 20: Who's hosting the show?
Speaker 1: Deep other days?
Speaker 18: The week?
Speaker 4: The news team, Jordan, you're, in fact, you're the host
Speaker 4: this whole week after I leave it Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 1: That to you, Yeah, it's great having you back, Buddy.
Speaker 20: I gotta tell you that this is gonna be so
Speaker 20: much fun. What we're doing here is important, John, I
Speaker 20: can't wait to change the world with you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much, really nice to see it. Join dog everybody.
Speaker 12: When we come back, we'll be joined by Zanny Minton
Speaker 12: Bettos don't go away?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 12: What about the Tylor Show My guest tonight.
Speaker 4: She's the editor in chief of the Economists. Please welcome
Speaker 4: to the program, Zanny Minton.
Speaker 15: Bet it was lovely to see.
Speaker 1: The chairs movie.
Speaker 3: I hope you're all right.
Speaker 1: I think I was here nine years ago.
Speaker 4: We almost killed Jimmy Carter with the rolling chase. He
Speaker 4: almost went all the way back this way it does swivel.
Speaker 4: We have the Economy. This is your magazine.
Speaker 1: We have it. We brought it with us. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can see that there.
Speaker 15: We're out there and it's.
Speaker 4: Got a posted note in there for the right page.
Speaker 1: Why there there? I thought there was a centerfold that
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I don't know what was that. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: we're here to show that we very much appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you, you know, the Economists wrote
Speaker 4: about some of Joe Biden's issues a year ago. You wrote,
Speaker 4: is he going to be up for the job in
Speaker 4: the second term? What were the concerns that that you
Speaker 4: guys had that.
Speaker 21: So we wrote after the midterms that he should not
Speaker 21: stand for a second term. And you know, he when
Speaker 21: he came in, it was he was hoping to be
Speaker 21: He said pretty much that he wanted to be a
Speaker 21: one term president.
Speaker 3: He was a grown up.
Speaker 21: He would save the country for He was the bridge
Speaker 21: can he was the bridge character.
Speaker 1: I didn't say which bridge bridges one of those bridges in.
Speaker 21: Forty absolutely, And I think we after the midterms, we
Speaker 21: thought that it was time for him to kind of
Speaker 21: make that clear.
Speaker 3: He would have been had he said.
Speaker 21: He was going to be a one term president, he
Speaker 21: would have been a remarkable one term president. He's achieved
Speaker 21: an unbelievable amount for one term.
Speaker 1: But now we.
Speaker 21: Are where we are here, and huge majorities of the
Speaker 21: American people, including huge majorities of Democrats, think he is
Speaker 21: too old for a second term. It's really alarming that
Speaker 21: the only person between us and the return of Donald
Speaker 21: Trump is a frail.
Speaker 4: Lady white bore the return of Donald Trump.
Speaker 21: It really worries me and it may be a little weird.
Speaker 21: But for those of us outside the US.
Speaker 4: Oh, couldn't they say that if you say I had
Speaker 4: a remarkable first term what's to say I won't have
Speaker 4: a remarkable second term.
Speaker 21: He's eighty one years old. What you know, he is
Speaker 21: the same age pretty much as my father. I love
Speaker 21: my father dearly. My father's a wonderful man. But my
Speaker 21: father should be nowhere near the most important job in
Speaker 21: the world.
Speaker 3: He probably never should have been. But in eighty one
Speaker 3: year olds, eighty one year old, he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't watch this thing? Does he? Does he watch.
Speaker 21: This may there's maybe a little explanation will have to go.
Speaker 21: But he an eighty one year old. You know what
Speaker 21: they're like at eighty one. You know what they're going
Speaker 21: to be like at eighty five. You know, time travels
Speaker 21: one way and people go in one direction at that.
Speaker 1: Age, Why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 4: When you say that seemed awfully personal.
Speaker 3: As you said the show, you're good twenty years younger.
Speaker 3: You know you've got a long time still.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: But let me ask you. So there is obviously a
Speaker 4: press pool, there's a White House press corps. There's a
Speaker 4: certain amount of mystery that seemed to surround this. All
Speaker 4: the people behind the scenes are saying, you don't know,
Speaker 4: like we know, he's leading these meetings he's unbelievable. You
Speaker 4: I wish you could see it. But certainly there are
Speaker 4: press people that travel with the president. Surely I have
Speaker 4: not seen people come out with first hand accounts.
Speaker 3: They have not come out to founding a long air
Speaker 3: force wor or just.
Speaker 4: Said I follow the president. I'm with him every day.
Speaker 4: He is unbelievably sharp.
Speaker 1: He's just camera shy or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: But nobody is making those It makes it seem conspiratorial.
Speaker 21: Yeah, And I think it's what is clear is that
Speaker 21: it is quite hard to get access to this president.
Speaker 21: He is very carefully shepherded around. He doesn't do very
Speaker 21: many press conferences. He doesn't do very many interviews. I
Speaker 21: assume that's for a reason. And I hear the same thing.
Speaker 21: You know, he's very sharp, He talks for a long time.
Speaker 21: He can outlast anybody in a meeting. I'm perfectly prepared
Speaker 21: to believe that on some subjects, that's true. Joe Biden
Speaker 21: knows a huge amount of that foreign policy. He is
Speaker 21: exactly the right person to have in the oval office
Speaker 21: in the world as it is we have today, and
Speaker 21: I'm sure on certain things he can go for our
Speaker 21: an hours and hours he can probably be in negotiations
Speaker 21: for a long time, But does that.
Speaker 3: Mean he should be president for another two terms? I
Speaker 3: think it's worrying now when.
Speaker 4: You say, yeah, the world order is changing, and there
Speaker 4: is a part you know, the economist is certainly you
Speaker 4: know it does represent a certain mainstream point of view
Speaker 4: or establishment.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 21: Actually, interestingly, we we stand for good classic English liberalism.
Speaker 21: It's not the same as an American liberal, which is
Speaker 21: more of a lefty, but the English liberals.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get tested on this because I don't know.
Speaker 21: I'm going to star with a little lesson. Now, we
Speaker 21: believe in individual freedom, free markets, limited government. We've kind
Speaker 21: of believed in that for a long time. And for
Speaker 21: a long time, You're right, our view was the kind
Speaker 21: of mainstream view, you know, Reaganism, Thatcherism, even Clintonism. You know,
Speaker 21: it wasn't too far apart. That was the mainstream view.
Speaker 21: But now we're actually not the mainstream view.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You know I should have said establishment. I think it's
Speaker 1: established the status qua.
Speaker 3: We're absolutely not the establishment view.
Speaker 21: And now industrial policies in big state is in protectionism,
Speaker 21: is in all manner of things that we traditionally didn't
Speaker 21: believe in, and so our kind of liberalism, I think
Speaker 21: is very much not the mainstream view now, and we're
Speaker 21: championing liberalism in the face actually pretty concerted resistance to
Speaker 21: it and people going in different directions. So the whole
Speaker 21: kind of trumpest assault, if you will. There's an in
Speaker 21: fact our cover, this week's cover is going to be
Speaker 21: about this almost certainly unless something dramatic happens, which is
Speaker 21: about national conservatism.
Speaker 3: It's this idea which you know.
Speaker 21: The Maga Republicans have, but also a bunch of conservatives
Speaker 21: in Europe Victor Orba and Georgia Maloney in Italy, Marine
Speaker 21: Le penn in France. There are differences between them, but
Speaker 21: they're united by an idea that they want to be
Speaker 21: anti globalist. They're anti trade, they're very skeptical of migration.
Speaker 21: They want to push back against what they see as progressive,
Speaker 21: woke ideas.
Speaker 4: You would say this is perhaps a new world order
Speaker 4: that they are they would love that. Oh, they're the
Speaker 4: ones who always talk about how there's a conspiracy to
Speaker 4: create a new world order, when if you really look
Speaker 4: at it, they're the ones trying to create it.
Speaker 1: They're shifting.
Speaker 4: There was an old paradigm right which was America postwar
Speaker 4: aligned itself with liberal Europe against communism. That was the
Speaker 4: stability of the world since World War Two was capitalism
Speaker 4: versus communism. It looks like there appears to be a
Speaker 4: realignment along the lines of not capitalism and communism, but
Speaker 4: woke and unwoke. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but
Speaker 4: it is what ties Putin to Trump an orban to Trump.
Speaker 4: If you listen to Putin when he talks about orthodox
Speaker 4: Christianity and Western society and anti gay rhetoric, he sounds
Speaker 4: like an AM radio host.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 21: And there are people in the Republican Party now who
Speaker 21: wore more to Putin than to Ukraine, for example. So
Speaker 21: I think you're right all of them. No, not all
Speaker 21: of them, not all of them.
Speaker 1: Well, Mitch McConnell, but he just stops working every now.
Speaker 3: And I think there's a really serious point.
Speaker 21: There's a complete you know, one way of thinking about
Speaker 21: it as a maga takeover the a Republican Party, but
Speaker 21: another I think there's something more profound going on, which
Speaker 21: is there is potentially a kind of revolution and conservatism
Speaker 21: which may end up being as big as the kind
Speaker 21: of Thatcherite Reaganite revolution which is taking it in a
Speaker 21: completely different direction, which is.
Speaker 4: It's a popularism, a nativism, but it's combined with this
Speaker 4: anti wokeism that almost seems to be the more powerful
Speaker 4: unifying theory than it is. We used to be economic
Speaker 4: theories and now it's theories of social culture.
Speaker 21: Issue identity, social culture. Absolutely, no, I think there is.
Speaker 21: That's definitely a fault line, and the people you cite
Speaker 21: are definitely on one side of it.
Speaker 3: Whether it's a new world order yet, I don't know.
Speaker 4: We did not talk about NATO. Donald Trump very famously
Speaker 4: came out and said I would encourage Russia, this was
Speaker 4: years ago, to attack them so that they would pay
Speaker 4: their bills, as though the value of NATO is in
Speaker 4: what they can contribute financially.
Speaker 1: What is your he He.
Speaker 21: Sounded like the mobster. Right, they got to pay, They
Speaker 21: got to pay, that's right. Donald Trump doesn't I think
Speaker 21: understand what collective security is about, Like the NATO is basically,
Speaker 21: if you attack the smallest NATO country, you're attacking America.
Speaker 21: That basic deal was understood by the Soviet Union and
Speaker 21: then by Russia. That's why we haven't had an attack
Speaker 21: on NATO. I think that is undermined by him basically
Speaker 21: saying it's a protectionist racket, which is what he so.
Speaker 21: I don't think Donald Trump cares about alliances. But the
Speaker 21: reason it's so disconcerting and worrying if you're in Europe
Speaker 21: right now is this is happening at a time when
Speaker 21: Vladimir Pudin has already done a full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 21: He is rearming much faster than Europe. Europe is a
Speaker 21: fundamentally more dangerous place. So even with Donald Trump nowhere
Speaker 21: near the White House yet, him saying it right now
Speaker 21: is destabilizing. It makes it much more likely that Putin
Speaker 21: an aggressive dictator.
Speaker 3: You know, it pushes further.
Speaker 21: And at the same time, you have this aid for
Speaker 21: Ukraine held up here in this country. And to be clear,
Speaker 21: aiding Ukraine, giving the money to Ukraine is the cheapest
Speaker 21: possible way for the US to enhance its security. It's
Speaker 21: just the fighting is being done by the Ukrainians. They're
Speaker 21: the people who are being killed. The US and Europe
Speaker 21: are supplying them weapons and in doing so we are
Speaker 21: pushing back against Putin. I mean, I've been to Kiev
Speaker 21: twice and lived there thirty years ago, and you can't
Speaker 21: go there and not think this is a European country
Speaker 21: that is looking westward, and for the US to abandon
Speaker 21: it now if it does, it's almost jewel dropping.
Speaker 4: The unfortunate part for Ukraine seems to be that it
Speaker 4: also holds a place in our culture war. I don't
Speaker 4: think there's any principal opposition from the right in terms
Speaker 4: of sending arms. There might be in terms of the
Speaker 4: amount or the money or some of those things. I
Speaker 4: think they're really caught in the idea that Putin and
Speaker 4: urban and that illiberal order are their natural allies, and
Speaker 4: so Ukraine they have to paint.
Speaker 1: That as.
Speaker 4: Nazified or utterly corrupt, as though Russia is somehow fundamentally uh,
Speaker 4: you know, just this unbelievable Valhalla. But I think that's
Speaker 4: where I think, that's why you can if I think
Speaker 4: there somewhere else, Ukraine happens to hold a very strange
Speaker 4: place in this whole barisma Hunter Biden illiberal like exactly.
Speaker 21: Donald Trump doesn't like Volodimis Lensky because of the whole
Speaker 21: issue around the first impeachment and and all of that stuff.
Speaker 21: So and we her for grudges, and he doesn't like
Speaker 21: Zelenski and he likes Pujin because Pugin's tough. That's rightly
Speaker 21: that kind of Then I think there are a bunch
Speaker 21: of Republicans who are genuine, or you might call it
Speaker 21: old fashioned isolationists, who just don't think the kind of
Speaker 21: us should.
Speaker 3: Be involved in this stuff.
Speaker 21: Then there's a bunch who have perfectly reasonable concerns about
Speaker 21: whether the money is being well spent corruption in Ukraine.
Speaker 21: There is plenty of corruption in Ukraine, whether it's all
Speaker 21: well spent. And then I think you're right. There are
Speaker 21: these and let's call them the Tucker Carlson Republicans who
Speaker 21: who kind of have a sense that there is somehow
Speaker 21: the you Putin is the hero and Ukraine is the villain,
Speaker 21: which is sort of hard to get your head around,
Speaker 21: but that does seem to be what they think.
Speaker 4: Right, and that's I do think that's the world order
Speaker 4: that they would be pushing towards. But this gets back
Speaker 4: to journalists in this country. It's all about the money,
Speaker 4: and there's very little talk about even after September eleventh,
Speaker 4: when Article five was invoked and they came to our defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only.
Speaker 21: Political five has been invoked to the defense of the
Speaker 21: United States.
Speaker 4: It's it really does boil down to, oh, is this
Speaker 4: just a financial transaction gone awry? Or is this the
Speaker 4: valuable alliance that's kind of held together the world? Or
Speaker 4: and which by the way, though, we have to be
Speaker 4: able to criticize what it did in a rock and
Speaker 4: all these other things. But if we can't talk honestly
Speaker 4: about it, we end up shutting down all the conversation.
Speaker 21: Of course, I think there is discussion about I mean,
Speaker 21: NATO most of the time for most Americans is not
Speaker 21: something that's probably top of mind.
Speaker 3: But I think there is a kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Been to a party where it's not the first thing
Speaker 1: people talk about.
Speaker 3: Can maybe move in serious circles I do.
Speaker 4: Generally it's you go in, it's a little NATO talk
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