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Speaker 1: My name is Caroline de More. I grew up in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles and I've been trying to find my way

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Speaker 1: Maybe you saw me on the Hill's New Beginnings a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Brodie and I went to high

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Speaker 1: school together. Audrina and I did a movie together. I

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Speaker 1: even did a bit of modeling back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Caroline d Moore, who was in every fashion show in

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: Now you're known to have the best walk?

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Speaker 3: What's the walk?

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Speaker 1: I just go with the music. But after years of

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Speaker 1: fighting it, I finally surrendered to my destiny being the

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Speaker 1: pizza girl. This is my new thought. Pizza girl. Who

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Speaker 1: knew iced tea would be a fan?

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna front it's good.

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Speaker 1: But the reason I'm doing this podcast is well, I

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Speaker 1: was recently the victim of one of the most duplicitous

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Speaker 1: con artists working today.

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Speaker 5: That was my salary, my.

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Speaker 1: Whole salary, going to Texas to have a meeting that

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Speaker 1: didn't exist. I got scammed by a man who was

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Speaker 1: like a father to me.

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Speaker 5: This is a lie. Why lie to me?

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Speaker 1: A man I thought was helping me.

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Speaker 5: I want to know.

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Speaker 1: Why, But in reality, he was just robbing me blind

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Speaker 1: while sending me on a wild goose chase.

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Speaker 5: Why would you do that to me when I thought

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Speaker 5: we were friends.

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Speaker 6: We were a friend.

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Speaker 1: After uncovering his con, I'm not gonna lie. It knocked

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Speaker 1: me down hard. The shame and embarrassment was just too much.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to live anymore.

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Speaker 5: I almost loved everything, everything.

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Speaker 1: But I found the strength that I never knew. I

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Speaker 1: had to pick myself back up and fight. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna let him get away with what he did to

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Speaker 1: me and what he did to hundreds of other people,

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Speaker 1: and what he's doing right now to dozens of unsuspecting

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Speaker 1: marks in Los Angeles. I'm putting him on notice. Your

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Speaker 1: days are numbered, David. I'm coming for you, and things

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Speaker 1: are about to get really ugly.

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Speaker 5: Stop Julie.

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Speaker 1: I'm Caroline de Morey and this is Once Upon a

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Speaker 1: Con Episode one. He thinks I'm a Mossieuse.

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Speaker 4: I remember when you called me and you were like,

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Speaker 4: should I just go fucking public with this? And just

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Speaker 4: like run with.

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Speaker 1: Dave, I'm hanging out now with one of my best

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Speaker 1: friends in the whole wide world, Tom Hamilton, we call

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Speaker 1: him Hammy.

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Speaker 4: I was like ab absolutely. If you can't just get

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Speaker 4: up on your soapbox and shout this story and protect

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Speaker 4: other people from what you went through, well I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you for.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. I was scared that it was going

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Speaker 1: to discredit me as a businesswoman, that it was going

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Speaker 1: to overshadow everything that I worked so hard for, and

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Speaker 1: that no one else would take me seriously. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, I will always fight to

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Speaker 1: the death for what is right and stand up for

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Speaker 1: other people. Hammy's known me since I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: We grew up in La together.

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Speaker 4: I remember when I first saw you, like in middle

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Speaker 4: school at Holly Shooter's house, but I don't think you

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Speaker 4: remember me. But so here's the thing about Carolina, and

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Speaker 4: she was like a celebrity before there were celebrities. She

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Speaker 4: like Caroline Demore, Caroline More and I was like, who

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 4: And then I ended up meeting her at Holly Schluter's house.

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Speaker 4: It was like a random friend.

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Speaker 1: Of ours our school.

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Speaker 1: Wright Middle was located in the Kardashian Capital of the World, Calabasas, California,

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Speaker 1: and it was chock full of rich kids and spoiled

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Speaker 4: Like I remember in theater class, like people saying good

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Speaker 4: things or bad things, like it was just like that

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Laura Pearson.

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Speaker 4: Laura Pearson said something bad about you in class and

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Speaker 4: Brittany Hughes slapped her across the face. I remember in

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Speaker 4: your defense, and you like weren't even around, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I remember it was seventh grade. It must have been

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Speaker 5: How was?

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Speaker 4: I said no, And it was like a drama. It

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Speaker 4: was such a drama. But yeah, I remember, like that

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Speaker 4: That was like the rumor.

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Speaker 1: That's really funny. It's funny how other people's perception of

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Speaker 4: And I knew that your mom passed away really not

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Speaker 4: like through chatter at school, and like the story then

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Speaker 4: was toxic shock syndrome. Yeah, which wasn't the story at all.

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Speaker 4: That was like a story that your family came up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what my dad kind of hold the kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah something. Yeah, my mom actually died of AIDS in

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Speaker 1: So my dad, well I was really mad at him

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Speaker 1: when I found out the truth he did. He hid

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Speaker 1: this whole like anti doctor thing in my family, and

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Speaker 1: So I knew right out the gate that I was

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's when he opened the Malibu store. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, though, my dad busted his ass for

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Speaker 1: But back then he was really struggling with his first

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Speaker 4: It's so brilliant that he moved you out of like

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Speaker 1: Well that's because he thought I was just going down

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Speaker 4: Right, And it's not like you got on a better path.

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Speaker 1: No, it was way worse, but it was like it was.

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Speaker 4: A bad path, but it was like a better bad path.

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Speaker 4: You know those kids at eighty right that stayed there, Like,

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Speaker 1: Round, Hammy's right for listeners who don't know Tom Hammy.

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Speaker 1: Hamilton actually went on to become a major talent manager

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Speaker 1: the way, Hammy, this house is amazing. Congrats, you worked

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Caroly You forgot to tell him that I'm

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Speaker 4: a great singer and that I've produced TV shows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know right, let me just go down the

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Speaker 4: And then I was a child actor. You're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: Well, there's just not enough time for that, Hammy. But

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Speaker 1: for me, life in Malibu as a teenager trying to

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Speaker 4: And they think they're unstoppable and they think that you

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Speaker 1: So true. And the crazy thing is that I was

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Speaker 1: confusing for me because you know, all my friends were loaded, but.

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Speaker 4: You're prettier than all of them. And then that really

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Speaker 1: We don't think.

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Speaker 5: I'm afraid of you.

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Speaker 4: What was that movie called again, Sorority row? That's right.

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Speaker 1: Pay back, such a bitch.

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Speaker 1: My only college experience.

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Speaker 4: Totally, you got to experience being a sorority girl.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Sometimes I do regret not following through

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Speaker 1: I never made the big bucks with acting anyway. That

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Speaker 1: The funniest story ever, is that I told Paris Hilton

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Speaker 1: I don't have clothes to wear every night, and it

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Speaker 1: You know, I was so young when I started DJing.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe you were there for that. I like

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Speaker 1: he was like, okay, great, You're hired. I spent every

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Speaker 4: I believe it was me who did that deal and

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, thank you, handy At.

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Speaker 4: That was major, by the way, first female that a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun, pioneer, It was fun. But then

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Speaker 1: it took me down, you know, took me down. What

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Speaker 1: I had already had Bella. You know, I was still traveling.

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Speaker 4: What were you on again?

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Speaker 1: What wasn't on? I don't know. I just did a

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Speaker 4: I just didn't too much. I just was the opposite.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. I wasn't a dark partier.

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Speaker 4: like we didn't smoke pot to be sad or like

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Speaker 4: because we hated ourselves right, no love, We loved ourselves,

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Speaker 4: And you want to kill yourself? Like what's going on?

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Speaker 1: But that was I really needed that.

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Speaker 4: Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested. He was taken

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Speaker 1: and I remember this butler opens the door. I'll never

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Speaker 1: get out of my head. The look of almost like

443
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Speaker 1: sadness that the butler gave me was like he knew

444
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: what was about to happen to me and just had

445
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Speaker 1: to like go along with it and put me in

446
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: this little waiting room and I'm in the waiting room

447
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking around and I have my modeling book

448
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: and I really think this is a modeling audition. And

449
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: I see on the walls like photos of like pre

450
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Speaker 1: residence with this man and you know, private jets, and

451
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: it's the most crazy thing I've ever seen, so many

452
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: famous people on the walls, and I was just like,

453
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Speaker 1: where am I? And then the butler comes against me.

454
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Speaker 1: He takes me to this room. I walked into this

455
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Speaker 1: dark room and I am tripping. I'm like, why am

456
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Speaker 1: I in this?

457
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Speaker 4: What?

458
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Speaker 1: There's a massage table over there. I start panicking. This short,

459
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: weird guy comes out of the darkness, and I vaguely

460
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Speaker 1: remember a woman, which now I think is that woman

461
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Speaker 1: that you know everybody knows of it's in the documentary.

462
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Speaker 8: Today we announced charges against Kallayne Maxwell for helping Jeffrey

463
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Speaker 8: Epstein sexually exploit and have use multiple minor girls.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's laying on the table and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, he thinks I'm a massuse. So in

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Speaker 1: my head, I'm like, what do I do? You know?

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Speaker 1: And I just kind of stood there frozen, and then

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Speaker 1: I remember he kind of kind of like lean towards

469
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Speaker 1: me and went to lift my shirt like or go

470
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Speaker 1: under my shirt. And that's the moment where I knew

471
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Speaker 1: that I'm a fighter. I don't freeze. I will fuck

472
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Speaker 1: you up, motherfucker, you know. And I remember going like,

473
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Speaker 1: get the fuck off me. And I just came out

474
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Speaker 1: like a like a like a dude, like I was

475
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Speaker 1: about to rip his eyeballs out, and he jumped off

476
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Speaker 1: of the massage table like panicking, and he's like, oh no, no, no, no,

477
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Speaker 1: oh no no, uh uh, you must have had the

478
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Speaker 1: wrong We got this mixed up, and he starts throwing

479
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: money at me, and I go, how the fuck do

480
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Speaker 1: I get out of here? I start running. I see

481
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Speaker 1: the butler, that motherfucker, and I go, where's the exit

482
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: and he was like it's right over there, and I ran.

483
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Speaker 1: And I remember running all the way from the Upper

484
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Speaker 1: east Side like down to Tribeca like and I never

485
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: looked back, and I was panicked, and I never wanted

486
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Speaker 1: to talk about it again. I excommunicated that fucking girl

487
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: who recruited me, and I remember you and I would

488
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: rack our brains and we'd be try to figure out

489
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Speaker 1: who that was because I had this guilt for years

490
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Speaker 1: of not knowing who it was and not being able

491
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Speaker 1: to speak about it or prevent other girls from ending

492
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Speaker 1: up in that situation.

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Speaker 4: Well those were the days when you didn't talk about

494
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Speaker 4: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: But also I had no idea who it was and

496
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Speaker 1: I had no way of finding that out come. A

497
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: couple years ago, my ex boyfriend goes he'd heard the

498
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: story and he goes Carolyn. He goes, if you saw

499
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: his face, would you remember it? Because he had just

500
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: watched the documentary and everything I said was verbatim. He

501
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the massage table, the pictures on

502
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Speaker 1: the wall, who was in the pictures on the wall,

503
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: you know all of it, and even the location of

504
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: the Brownstone. And when he showed me the documentary, my

505
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh, I went white. I was like,

506
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: that's him, sure enough, Yeah, it was Jeffrey Epstein. And

507
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Speaker 1: that's also a big reason why I need to speak

508
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: up about this David Bloom situation, because I have so

509
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: much regret not you know, I was only seventeen, so

510
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: like I didn't know to like investigate that motherfucker.

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00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 4: Hard on yourself, Like how are you supposed to be

512
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: this like Sherlock Homes and figure out what see doing

513
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: this to other girls? Or was it really a mistake?

514
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: You just went on to go live your life, you know, Like,

515
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: don't be so hard on yourself for that one. But

516
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: I see what you mean about how like under this circumstance,

517
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: you're not going to be quiet for one second, right

518
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: and do whatever you can. Yeah, with the power and

519
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: the platform that you have to.

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00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: Spread awareness on this motherfucker.

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Speaker 4: Find David Blooms.

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00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, David bloom did such a number on me that

523
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: by the time it was all over, I didn't want

524
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: to live. He was such a monster.

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Speaker 4: I don't even remember the first time I met even Bloom.

526
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: I just remembered hearing about him, like he was so

527
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: in our inner circle because you would mention him and

528
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: talk about him, like when did you actually first meet him?

529
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: Like where did that all begin?

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Speaker 1: At the Villa Carlotta, I moved into one of the

531
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Speaker 1: most beautiful buildings which you were obsessed with in Hollywood,

532
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: right below the Hollywood Sign, and it was a place

533
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: for me to kind of was right after my divorce.

534
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: I really needed a place to live so that I could,

535
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, be with my daughter, and it was I

536
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: got super lucky because I got in on a COVID

537
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: rate like during COVID and it was just like it

538
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: was just the most magical place.

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Speaker 2: The Villa Carlato. Again for the non LA listeners, is

540
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: that that's old Hollywood. It's a city landmark. Maryon Davies

541
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Speaker 2: used to live in that building.

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Speaker 1: That's James, the veteran crime journalist who wrote a big

543
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: investigative piece about David Bloom for the La Times. He

544
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time at the Villa Carlotta doing

545
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: research for his story.

546
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: It was like a little bit of an actor's paradise.

547
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: So one of the Oranges new Black cast members there

548
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: than the lobby of the day, I was there.

549
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 6: I'm not going to.

550
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: Say which one, because I feel like we shouldn't be

551
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: outing people's home addresses. But one of the characters you

552
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: saw over the course of seven seasons was there. If

553
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: that's vague enough, you know this is a place where

554
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: people work in this industry and you know, rely on

555
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: their reputations to get jobs, whether it's acting, consulting, video editing,

556
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: what have you.

557
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: A two bedroom goes for about ten thousand dollars a

558
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: month at the Villa Carlata. Luckily, I was paying a

559
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: quarter of that because I moved in after divorcing my

560
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: husband of seven years during the COVID lockdown in twenty

561
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Speaker 1: twenty when they were having a lot of trouble finding

562
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Speaker 1: new tenants. I gotta say, the Villa Carlotta is one

563
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful buildings I've ever seen, dripping with

564
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Hollywood glamour and history. Even an insider like Hammy was

565
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: totally impressed by my new home.

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Speaker 4: I remember throughout that whole chapter too, Like, was it

567
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: like Julia Roberts was like staying down the hall in

568
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: one in one of the big accommodations. Yeah, the whole

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00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: place was like laced with wildly successful people. And so

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00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: it's the executive at the record company, and this the

571
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Speaker 4: other woman was like this thirty year old under thirty

572
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: Forbes girl who started that company.

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Speaker 1: I remember looking terrible, very early in the morning, sweatpants on,

574
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: all disheveled and walking my dog, and Sean penn was

575
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Speaker 1: just walking right by me and He's.

576
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Speaker 5: Like hi, and I was like hi.

577
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Speaker 1: My neighbors, Julia Roberts and Sean Pennicide. The Villa Carlotta

578
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: just seemed like heaven to me. I really found my

579
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Speaker 1: groove at that place, and I loved living there, and

580
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Speaker 1: we had piano nights and wine night, and the pool

581
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Speaker 1: was exquisite, and there was you know, coffee and breakfast

582
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Speaker 1: in the lobby in the morning, and it was it

583
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Speaker 1: was so magical, and we had so many fun experiences there,

584
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Speaker 1: you know, through such a scary time through COVID. You know,

585
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Speaker 1: my daughter learned to swim in that pool, like it

586
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: was just like a family for a bunch of people

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00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: that weren't with their family.

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00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: I forget that you were in there through the lockdown.

589
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in there through the lock You ended.

590
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: Up becoming really close with everyone down the hall. Oh yeah,

591
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: so and that was your that was like your lockdown crew.

592
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my lockdown. So everybody at the Villa Carlotta.

593
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Living there was like a dream come true for me.

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00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden it became my worst nightmare.

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Speaker 1: I just remember I was by the pool, which I

596
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: often was because I was working always by the pool.

597
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you was gorgeous. You hear him laughing from

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00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: across the pool, like, you know, talking to everybody. Seems

599
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: like he knows everybody. He walks over to me and

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00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: if I knew then what I know now, I would

601
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: have gotten up and left. I would have run the

602
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: hell out of the villa, Carlata screaming at the top

603
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: of my lungs, stay away from this man. He's dangerous.

604
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I would have called the police. I would have hired

605
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: armed guards. I would have done anything to just keep

606
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: that man away from me, and away from my daughter,

607
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: and away from everyone. I knew. But I didn't know

608
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: what he was when I met him. He had a

609
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: kind smile and a super friendly demeanor. You know, he

610
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: seemed like a really nice guy. And looking back, I

611
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: was like little Red riding Hood being courted by the

612
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: big bad wolf. And I didn't stand a chance.

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Speaker 5: Why would you say that shit to me?

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00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: Why?

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00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: This season on Once Upon a.

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 7: Con, David Bloom was so good at what he did.

617
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 7: He was strategic about it.

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00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 6: When he first started working for me, he dropped so

619
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: many names. Oh, I'm so connected. I know everybody. My wife,

620
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 6: she's doing all these things politically, she's connected to Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 2: Bloom strikes at people largely with money, and he goes

622
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: after people with privilege, and you know, it kind of

623
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: shows that, you know, wealth doesn't insulation from that.

624
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 8: David had a bent late in a show. For one

625
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 8: time when I was with him for dinner and he

626
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 8: had to take a phone call and he came back

627
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 8: he said, Oh, it.

628
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 6: Was just soaping BRUNEI I mean, my head was spinning.

629
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 6: He was showing me his phone. Oh look, I go

630
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Speaker 6: Adam Schiff's number on speed op.

631
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Speaker 5: David was a genius.

632
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: I was married to David for almost ten years. It

633
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 3: was insane. The stuff he was doing was insane, and

634
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 3: I was trying to make sense of something that doesn't

635
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: make any sense, or to understand things that I could

636
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: not have thought of in my wildest dreams to do.

637
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: He's pathologically He's a psycho pat.

638
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, like a repe cycle pat.

639
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: And I was barely functioning, and I just had this

640
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: realization that he will not stop until he kills me.

641
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: That was the start of the cancer that David bloom

642
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 5: Plant fine nights and Austen five nights in the fucking life.

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: We're gonna change. Oh, we're fucking Gord.

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00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 7: We pre arranged that I would record everything on my iPhone.

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00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 5: David, I want to know the truth.

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00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 6: You've told me a lot of things that are different

647
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 6: from the stories I'm hearing from these peyopoar.

648
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: I chose to tell a story because a different story.

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00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: R Javed Blood blows a stammer out here.

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Speaker 5: David, you know where to hide now.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is dedicated to the memory of my amazing mother,

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00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: Bonnie Major, who would be super proud of me standing

653
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Speaker 1: up for myself. Once Upon a Con is a production

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Speaker 1: of AYR Media and thirty two Flavors, hosted by Me

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Speaker 1: by Tim Mulhern, edited and mixed by Tim Mulhern, Supervising

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Speaker 1: editor Victoria Chang, Mastered by Victoria Chang, Engineering by Justin Longerbein.

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Speaker 1: Legal counsel for AYR Media Gianni Douglas. Our theme song,

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Speaker 1: Freshly Served, was written and performed by the incredibly talented

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Speaker 1: Mattie Noise and is a failla ball on her SoundCloud