Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong, and Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong and
Speaker 2: so Chuck Schumer was on the view.
Speaker 3: Yet he's making the rounds because he's got this book out,
Speaker 3: which I actually heard a little bit about it. I'm
Speaker 3: glad he wrote it, and it's kind of interesting. He's
Speaker 3: worried about the rise of anti Semitism in the United States,
Speaker 3: including in his own party among your college kids.
Speaker 2: And he's out talking about it. So that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer is an ancient Democratic Senator from New York
Speaker 3: who has been majority leader in the senat a various times.
Speaker 3: Now he's the minority leader. He is the king of
Speaker 3: the Senate on the Democrat side. So he got some
Speaker 3: blowback last week because he went along with the Republican
Speaker 3: legislation that kept the government open and the aocs of
Speaker 3: the world that wing Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, those people
Speaker 3: wanted to shut down the government. Chuck Schumer said there
Speaker 3: was no win in it, and Nancy Pelosi yesterday said
Speaker 3: she kind of hit him with a little uh. She
Speaker 3: still supports him, but I don't believe in giving something
Speaker 3: away for nothing. She said after that, in that Chuck
Speaker 3: went along with it but didn't get anything, which is true.
Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi was good at that. Trump's good at that.
Speaker 2: If you're going to get something from me, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get something from you.
Speaker 3: Always. If only they knew what they wanted. Really, maybe
Speaker 3: that's a problem. They're so scattered anyway, I didn't mean
Speaker 3: to talk about that. So he's on the view and
Speaker 3: he said something that really bothered me.
Speaker 4: So we'll start here the Republican Party.
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 3: wait wait. I don't want that yet. Where we were going
Speaker 3: to start with, remember Jerry Brown to start here. This
Speaker 3: goes back to the governor of California few years back.
Speaker 3: Four term governor. He was the youngest governor of California
Speaker 3: for two terms. That he was the oldest governor in
Speaker 3: California for two terms. He did date a young Linda Ronstadt,
Speaker 3: which is a featheries cap.
Speaker 2: Mmm. You can't take that away from aw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he once said this about the way economics works.
Speaker 2: I guess those.
Speaker 5: Who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately extracted
Speaker 5: by whatever skill, more and more from the national wealth.
Speaker 2: They're going to have to share more of that. It's
Speaker 2: on the idea of paying taxes that those who have.
Speaker 3: Disproportionately extracted from the economy more from the national wealth.
Speaker 2: From the national wealth.
Speaker 1: So success is taking money from the nation. It's not
Speaker 1: creating jobs and money and products and greater wealth for everyone. No,
Speaker 1: it's a limited pie. And you took more than your
Speaker 1: share by building a successful business.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's not yours, it's the nations and the
Speaker 3: steward of that money is the government, which we get
Speaker 3: to here with Juck Schumer on the view when he
Speaker 3: said this yesterday.
Speaker 5: The Republican Party is a different kettle of fish than
Speaker 5: it used to be, and that's why we're fighting them
Speaker 5: so hard. They are controlled by a small group of wealthy,
Speaker 5: greedy people. And you know what their attitude is. I
Speaker 5: made my money all by myself. How dare your government
Speaker 5: take my money from me. I don't want to pay taxes,
Speaker 5: or I built my company with my bare hands. How
Speaker 5: dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers,
Speaker 5: the land and water that I own, or my employees.
Speaker 4: They hate governments.
Speaker 5: Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them
Speaker 5: from doing things they want to destroy it.
Speaker 4: We are not letting them do it, and we're united.
Speaker 2: So again that in there.
Speaker 3: These greedy people who make money who want to keep
Speaker 3: more of their money. Their attitude is, I made my
Speaker 3: money all by myself. How dare your government take my
Speaker 3: money from me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well summarized, and so that's an interesting philosophical breakdown. I know,
Speaker 3: I know people personally who believe that and think that way.
Speaker 3: That you're out there going to work making money, I
Speaker 3: guess for the government. It runs through the government, and
Speaker 3: then you get to keep some of it.
Speaker 2: But it's the government's.
Speaker 3: Money to spend on, you know, good things that make
Speaker 3: everybody better, happier, or something like it.
Speaker 1: And other people will, through the government, take your money
Speaker 1: from you as much as they decide is proper, and
Speaker 1: they will let you keep some of it. Perhaps, as
Speaker 1: the great Thomas Soul said so famously, I have never
Speaker 1: understood why it is greed to want to keep the
Speaker 1: money you have earned, but not greed to want to
Speaker 1: take someone else's mind.
Speaker 3: I found that absolutely fascinating. I mean, that is some
Speaker 3: big time philosophical disagreement on the structure of society.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I would love to reduce our politics now
Speaker 1: and again, maybe we can have one week a year
Speaker 1: where we have learned, folks of you know, each side's
Speaker 1: choosing debate in front of the nation, the notion of
Speaker 1: either a what you earn is yours. Now we the
Speaker 1: people ask you for a little bit of it to
Speaker 1: help run the country.
Speaker 2: Rhodes Police Army, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But indeed we have past laws saying the government gets
Speaker 1: a little bit of it to run itself, versus the
Speaker 1: folks who say, no, the government gets all of it.
Speaker 2: If we decide to take.
Speaker 1: All of it, it's not your money at all, it
Speaker 1: never has been. That goes back and then I would
Speaker 1: love then in the follow up a part my side
Speaker 1: would would say, well, then why the hell would anybody
Speaker 1: bust their ass to build a business if y'all are
Speaker 1: going to take it all or half of it, which
Speaker 1: is why socialism doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Should have dug up the Barack Obama clip, the famous
Speaker 3: one that he got beat up for a fair amount.
Speaker 2: By anybody on the right. Anyway, you didn't build that.
Speaker 3: It's the idea that government has put in place a
Speaker 3: structure for you to go out and be successful, and
Speaker 3: so you owe that money to the government because they
Speaker 3: put all this together for you to be successful. The
Speaker 3: government is the reason you're successful. That's what Chuck Schumer's saying.
Speaker 1: Building a business with five hundred employees, it's like falling
Speaker 1: off a log thanks to the government.
Speaker 2: So we get most of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, he used his mocking voice when he said,
Speaker 3: I made my money all by myself. How dare your
Speaker 3: government take my money from me? Okay, I'll say the
Speaker 3: same thing in my regular voe. I made my money
Speaker 3: all by myself. How dare the freaking government take it
Speaker 3: from me? There, I said it without the mocking voice,
Speaker 3: because that's what I actually believe.
Speaker 1: I understand how a leech on the public like Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 1: who like you know, Joe Biden or a thousand other
Speaker 1: politicians on both sides of the aisle, have made their
Speaker 1: wealth and their power purely from draining the vital fluids
Speaker 1: of the American people. How actual production is foreign to them.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Mark Wayne Mullen talk to Chuck
Speaker 1: Schumer about that. Mark Wayne Mullen, who built a He
Speaker 1: was a plumber, he built a plumbing contracting business in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: became he's a senator now from Oklahoma. If you don't
Speaker 1: know Mark Wayne, talk to him at the RNC. It
Speaker 1: was great fun and very interesting. But have him discussed
Speaker 1: with Chuck Schumer what it takes to build a business
Speaker 1: as a to just you know, again, being a parasite
Speaker 1: on the height of the American people.
Speaker 3: That's something I mean that that I find that highly
Speaker 3: troubling that that attitude even exists out there.
Speaker 2: Let alone could win the day.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the fact that Chuck Schumer promotes it is
Speaker 1: not that shocking to me. The fact that tens of millions,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million Americans think the same way.
Speaker 2: Now that bothers me.
Speaker 5: I made my money all by myself. How dare your
Speaker 5: government take my money from me.
Speaker 4: I don't want to pay taxes.
Speaker 3: You don't have to use the cartoonish voice. That's what
Speaker 3: I actually believe, me and me and lots.
Speaker 1: Of people, and I think virtually nobody says I don't
Speaker 1: want to have to pay taxes. No, I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to pay excessive taxes that are purely a
Speaker 1: redistribution of wealth to gain you power, because I know
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent certainty that's what you do. You
Speaker 1: make moral arguments and compassionate arguments to get giant gobs
Speaker 1: of money to enhance your own power and influence.
Speaker 3: First of all, if you keep your money. Sometimes people
Speaker 3: do things that are really good for society, you know,
Speaker 3: build a rocket company or charity or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: But what if you just go out and buy expensive
Speaker 3: houses and cars if you're super wealthy for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: It's Kensian when the government spreads money around because it's
Speaker 3: just good spending money. But if an individual spends money,
Speaker 3: it's not Kensian and not good for the economy. Is
Speaker 3: fine with me, signed.
Speaker 1: Everybody who worked on building that house end or car
Speaker 1: end or services it or fixes that house or whatever,
Speaker 1: or its restaurant and has employees. My final note on
Speaker 1: this topic will be something I've said many times through
Speaker 1: the years and will continue to if you will allow me.
Speaker 1: You good people, imagine a charity that can feed, clothes, house, medicate,
Speaker 1: and educate.
Speaker 2: Thousands of children. Thousands of children.
Speaker 1: That charity is called a business with employees who get
Speaker 1: pay and benefits. You have accomplished all those things I
Speaker 1: described by starting a successful business.
Speaker 2: They don't see it that way. On the left, I
Speaker 2: made my.
Speaker 5: Money all by myself. How dare your government take my
Speaker 5: money from me? I don't want to pay taxes?
Speaker 1: True, that is true if this were not being broadcast live.
Speaker 1: I have a simple two word response that rhymes with
Speaker 1: duck whom.
Speaker 2: The armstrong and getting shadows.
Speaker 6: So when you think about these businesses and a one
Speaker 6: hundred and five percent therapy put on them.
Speaker 2: It's untenable for them.
Speaker 6: They don't have the cash flow, they don't have the
Speaker 6: access to capital, and it's basically locking up.
Speaker 2: Production in the toy industry.
Speaker 6: No toys are currently being produced in China, and they're
Speaker 6: all reports that major retailers here in the US are
Speaker 6: starting to actually cancel orders.
Speaker 2: So so Christmas is at risk.
Speaker 3: That's some economic expert on CNN yesterday on the lead,
Speaker 3: Christmas is at risk. Toy companies can handle one hundred
Speaker 3: and forty five percent tariff. At some point the rubber
Speaker 3: is going to meet the road on this isn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean we all were relieved, I guess to find
Speaker 3: out iPhones aren't going to triple in price.
Speaker 2: But there is all that other.
Speaker 1: Stuff right, you know, part of me he wants to
Speaker 1: urge that guy to watch how the Grinch stole Christmas
Speaker 1: Christmas and be reminded that it came. It came, It
Speaker 1: came without boxes and bushels and bags the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christmas, isn't it risk? But he was talking about
Speaker 2: toy retailers, so I get that.
Speaker 1: You know, the ready fire aim nature of the tariffs
Speaker 1: is I think going to be counterproductive, although I suspect
Speaker 1: it's just going to lead to better trade deals. But
Speaker 1: it was pointed out by some learned folks that if
Speaker 1: you're a giant multinational conglomerate with lobbyists and perhaps a
Speaker 1: tim cook who can pick up the phone and call
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you get a carve out. But all the
Speaker 1: mom and pop businesses, all the small manufacturers, they don't.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be you know, put out of business, right
Speaker 1: because they can't on shore their inputs fast enough bankrupt,
Speaker 1: which is the main from the right big critique of
Speaker 1: tariffs in general, that it ends up being I mean,
Speaker 1: you're like creating a reason for people to get special
Speaker 1: treatment or do things to get special treatment.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it enriches the swamp.
Speaker 1: I was just texting with somebody who said they were
Speaker 1: about to do something, it doesn't matter what, and I said,
Speaker 1: you're brave, Gail King, brave. I wonder if that will
Speaker 1: catch on as like, well, you're like Gail King brave
Speaker 1: there congratulations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of economic occurrence and stuff like that, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk of recession because of the tariffs.
Speaker 2: And all and how it shakes out. Nobody knows exactly.
Speaker 2: We're not already be in one of many according to
Speaker 2: many economists.
Speaker 1: Well that's right, And I came across this from the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, which I thought was kind of a
Speaker 1: good reminder what is a recession and how when will
Speaker 1: we know if we are in one? Now, that common
Speaker 1: rule of thumb is that two consecutive quarters of declining
Speaker 1: griss product counts as a recession, the.
Speaker 3: Last if it's during the Biden administration run, and that
Speaker 3: doesn't run out.
Speaker 1: But the GDP is not the criterion used by the
Speaker 1: National Bureau of Economic Research, which is the long standing
Speaker 1: arbiter of US recessions among economists, government officials, policymakers, and
Speaker 1: news organizations including the Wall Street Journal. The NBR recession
Speaker 1: dates are determined by its prosaically named quote Business Cycle
Speaker 1: Dating Committee, a group of eight academic academic economists, some
Speaker 1: of whom have been members of the committee for decades.
Speaker 1: What I look for in order to make a recession
Speaker 1: call this quote a significant decline in economic activity that
Speaker 1: has spread across the economy and lasts more than a
Speaker 1: few months.
Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty employment wishy washy. Oh, it's very wishy washy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The main indicators they watch are on our employment, inflation
Speaker 1: adjusted personal income, real consumer spending, real manufacturing and trade,
Speaker 1: industry sales, and industrial production.
Speaker 3: Well that's there's a democrat in office. Well, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: So it's a little bit of like, that's just your opinion, man.
Speaker 3: And I always remember a guy I knew ran his
Speaker 3: own business. He was a very successful ange his own business.
Speaker 3: And this was years ago, like mid two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: I can remember and him saying we're in a recession.
Speaker 3: And we weren't like officially in a recession, and he
Speaker 3: said we're in a recession. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: that's interesting that you just said that out loud when
Speaker 3: you know it hasn't been declared.
Speaker 2: And in this case, it ended up being declared. The
Speaker 2: next quarter.
Speaker 3: He had already felt it, But I thought at the time, well,
Speaker 3: even if it's not for the rest of the United States,
Speaker 3: if it is for your industry here, that's all that
Speaker 3: matters to you.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of a stupid term.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like we always talk about when they
Speaker 3: give you a national real estate to statistics. What's the
Speaker 3: point of that more homes were sold last year than
Speaker 3: this year. Well that's I don't even know if that
Speaker 3: number is useful to anybody, but it's certainly not useful
Speaker 3: to your state, county, neighborhood or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, my only argument against that would be that if
Speaker 1: your policies cause one those policies should be reviewed and criticized. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it helps to be able to say, in even
Speaker 1: a semi concrete way, hey, this isn't working.
Speaker 2: It's hurting the economy. Right. But yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But it's not what the media portrays it to be
Speaker 1: some sort of all encompassing It's not a diagnosis with cancer.
Speaker 1: It's just okay, things are not growing, economics or what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: If your industry on the entire West Coast is suffering
Speaker 3: because of something the weather or whatever, you're in a
Speaker 3: recession every bit as much as if they declared a
Speaker 3: national recession. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm not sure that term
Speaker 3: means that much to me anymore. What you said makes sense.
Speaker 3: And again they changed the definition of it or went
Speaker 3: with the specific definition of it when it applied to
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, because by the definition we'd all been using
Speaker 3: our entire adult lives, we were in a recession, and
Speaker 3: they didn't want that to be true. Right, yep, what evs?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and I've lived through I can't.
Speaker 3: Even tell you how many in my life, ten twelve,
Speaker 3: I don't know, thirty, I don't even know, which is
Speaker 3: part of my point. They come and go and we're
Speaker 3: all fine, and you know, I don't want it to happen.
Speaker 3: But it's not like the end of the world.
Speaker 1: Well right, And there have been upsides, Like I've gotten
Speaker 1: used to the taste of human flesh. There's been so
Speaker 1: much cannibal during the recessions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's his old hat. For me, it's the other
Speaker 2: white meat. As far as I'm concerned, Armstrong and Getty
Speaker 2: show to arms Strong and Geddy on demand. We're not boring.
Speaker 2: A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing.
Speaker 2: It makes you angry. You don't want to live your
Speaker 2: life like that.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong in Geeddy.
Speaker 1: We try to bring you the truth and help you
Speaker 1: figure out this crazy modern world.
Speaker 7: I know something about a comedic tone.
Speaker 2: We have a one arm Yes.
Speaker 1: Listen to Armstrong You Getty on demand on the iHeartRadio app,
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jack Armstrong
Speaker 1: and Joe Getty the Armstrong and Getty Show. I thought
Speaker 1: this is interesting if you're new to the show. Jack
Speaker 1: and I both have railed long and hard against critical
Speaker 1: theory and DEI.
Speaker 2: It's neo Marxism. We'll explain a little more about that.
Speaker 1: It masquerades quite successfully though, as we just want everybody
Speaker 1: to get a fair shot in America, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people think DEI actually is just we want more diversity,
Speaker 1: We want people to be able to apply for jobs
Speaker 1: and get them. No, everybody wants that DEI is in
Speaker 1: in cities plot that masquerades as civil rights. Having said that,
Speaker 1: the headline the Journal America is abandoning DEI. The NFL
Speaker 1: remains all in. Everyone from the federal government as a
Speaker 1: fortune five hundred are dialing back diversity efforts DEI efforts,
Speaker 1: but America's most popular sport is standing its ground.
Speaker 2: I'm not shocked by this. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like the fact that journalism regularly fudges the
Speaker 1: difference between DEI, which is a specific thing, and diversity,
Speaker 1: acting like they're the same thing.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 1: I honestly believe the percentage of Americans who understand that
Speaker 1: that DEI is part of critical theory comes from the
Speaker 1: Frankfurt school of philosophy. It's a it's a method of
Speaker 1: taking over institutions. Essentially, you call everybody a racist unless
Speaker 1: they agree with you. Perhaps you went to a delightful
Speaker 1: training session where this happened. And obviously, if you're a racist,
Speaker 1: according to the nice people who are running your DEI department,
Speaker 1: you can't be in charge. And so they get rid
Speaker 1: of you, and they bring in somebody who believes what
Speaker 1: they do, which is neo Marxism, equity, et cetera. DEI
Speaker 1: is Marxism. It's not diversity.
Speaker 2: That reminds me.
Speaker 3: I read a great piece yesterday on how Ibram X
Speaker 3: Kennedy is one of the great sisters of all time.
Speaker 3: Now that his run is over, I think, and to
Speaker 3: shut down his anti racist institute.
Speaker 2: He got fifty.
Speaker 1: Million dollars I think in.
Speaker 2: Donations from companies. Never did anything. No, people are falling
Speaker 2: all over themselves to give money. I'm not a racist.
Speaker 2: Don't call me a racist. Don't call me a racist.
Speaker 1: And you remember, no matter how you intended what you said,
Speaker 1: if I say you're a racist, you are a racist.
Speaker 1: It's a method of capture, of taking over institutions. And
Speaker 1: he and Robin DiAngelo and that whole ridiculous scam which
Speaker 1: is still going on.
Speaker 2: They knew precisely what they're doing.
Speaker 1: But back to my main point, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand it. Yeah, I see even in
Speaker 1: fairly conservative publications, I still see people talk about DEI
Speaker 1: as if it's just an honest and open hearted desire
Speaker 1: to have, you know, like a black kid have the
Speaker 1: same opportunities in America as a white kid. Again, everybody
Speaker 1: wants that DEI is not that anyway. Having said that,
Speaker 1: back to the journal thing, the NFL is a TV show.
Speaker 1: Never forget that. It's an entertainment product from top to bottom.
Speaker 1: It's not actually an effort to see which city has
Speaker 1: the best forty guys to play football hired BMS. No,
Speaker 1: it's a TV show, and it is an incredibly popular,
Speaker 1: profitable TV show, and a huge percentage of the cast
Speaker 1: are young black men and are incredibly important to the
Speaker 1: game and its popularity.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that, and given the fact.
Speaker 1: That most people don't understand what DEI really is and
Speaker 1: what it is not, including young black men who run,
Speaker 1: you know, receiving routes and get tackled hard and stay
Speaker 1: in incredible physical condition and memorize playbooks that would boggle
Speaker 1: the mind of an MIT physicist, that they don't spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time acquainting themselves with the subtleties of
Speaker 1: sociological issues.
Speaker 2: Is not shocking.
Speaker 1: So I get why Roger Goodell has said, no, we're
Speaker 1: still up with diversity, up with DEI, We're continuing all
Speaker 1: our programs. I get why he does that. It annoys me,
Speaker 1: but I get it. I thought this was more interesting
Speaker 1: and revealing. This is a piece written by Callum Borcher's
Speaker 1: what happens when a former NFL player becomes your office coworker,
Speaker 1: And I've got to admit I haven't thought about this much.
Speaker 1: Oh and he mentions, did we find the audio, guys
Speaker 1: from the two thousand and three that was twenty two
Speaker 1: years ago? A Super Bowl commercial featuring was it Terry
Speaker 1: Tait office linebacker or something like that?
Speaker 4: Do we have that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, if you saw the commercial, you certainly remember
Speaker 1: it now. Absolutely hilarious. They hired a linebacker to root
Speaker 1: out inefficiency at their office. It's kind of like Doge,
Speaker 1: except if you weren't doing your job right, he would
Speaker 1: level you wearing his football gear.
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to the threat of the thing. I thought
Speaker 2: this was super interesting.
Speaker 1: Turns out real NFL retirees who entered the business world
Speaker 1: learned to make an impact in different ways. Quote Will Rackley,
Speaker 1: a former offensive lineman for the Jaguars and Ravens. He's
Speaker 1: a couple of months into a job as a business
Speaker 1: operations analyst at the staffing firm Atrium.
Speaker 2: He said it can be.
Speaker 1: A culture shock when stepping into a corporate setting as
Speaker 1: opposed to the locker room. But manager after manager was
Speaker 1: telling Callum borchers that they struggle to recruit people who
Speaker 1: can take and deliver candid feedback, especially these days.
Speaker 2: We've all heard stories of.
Speaker 1: The snowflakes and the gen Zers and millennials and gen
Speaker 1: zers especially who if you say, you know that report
Speaker 1: wasn't quite up to snuff, they will break down.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're crutching my spirit. I need a
Speaker 2: spirit day. I need a mental health day.
Speaker 3: They have trouble with people that can deliver the candid feedback.
Speaker 3: Though you smell funny, everybody's talking about it. No, not
Speaker 3: that sort of candid about job performance.
Speaker 1: Specifically a lot of people, particularly given the first thing
Speaker 1: I was talking about. People who can't take candid feedback
Speaker 1: are extremely uncomfortable giving it.
Speaker 2: You got to stop eating with your mouth open. You're
Speaker 2: gonna make somebody kill you. Wow.
Speaker 1: No, we're talking about business perform ormance again. But former
Speaker 1: Gridiron pro accustomed to coaches who yell, cuss, and call
Speaker 1: out mistakes in post game film sessions every week of
Speaker 1: their careers, is not likely to will to under a
Speaker 1: little constructive criticism.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: My son just said, this is his first real sport.
Speaker 1: I think he's playing volleyball.
Speaker 4: He said.
Speaker 2: The coach is yelling at me all the time.
Speaker 1: I said, that's what coaches do, yes, good or bad,
Speaker 1: no matter what's happening.
Speaker 3: The coaches yell at you. That's the way it works.
Speaker 3: This is the candid feedback we're discussing.
Speaker 1: And while there are some truth to the cliche that
Speaker 1: athletes can bring winning mindsets to business, it is actually
Speaker 1: their ability to handle losing that stands out. According to
Speaker 1: Bosses and the former NFL players were talking about, are
Speaker 1: like the vast majority you leave the game, not hall
Speaker 1: of famers with set for life money. They are often
Speaker 1: men who are pushed out of the game by injuries
Speaker 1: or a younger, cheaper draft pick who could play about
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Say, which is almost everybody gets in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, vast majority they've dealt with disappointment
Speaker 1: and regrouped, said an associate director of non traditional talent
Speaker 1: programs at Verizon Quote. The ability to pick yourself up
Speaker 1: and get back into the game is really what business
Speaker 1: is all about, and he's found these guys to be
Speaker 1: much more resilient. I don't they understand, Wow, that went badly,
Speaker 1: What can we learn?
Speaker 3: I don't doubt that that should be focused on more
Speaker 3: for all professional athletes. The vast majority of them.
Speaker 1: Even if you've reached your dreams, made it to that league,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a little money and be there a
Speaker 1: couple of years, and then you're gonna go back to
Speaker 1: regular life and you're gonna be twenty five years old, right,
Speaker 1: And that would be an interesting mindset. I was good
Speaker 1: enough to play in that league. I worked my ass
Speaker 1: off ten hours a day, like my whole life. But
Speaker 1: that's over now and I'm only twenty five, and I
Speaker 1: gotta do something different, right. But I think the other
Speaker 1: aspects of it, because that's important, though, But the idea
Speaker 1: of somebody, well, they make another point. NFL players are
Speaker 1: completely unfazed by the arduous process of interviewing for white
Speaker 1: collar jobs and or preparing for presentations and interviews and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's what they've done their whole lives.
Speaker 1: It's a different skill set that they're preparing for. But
Speaker 1: the idea of we're gonna have to go really really
Speaker 1: hard to get rid or get ready for this one
Speaker 1: particular meeting or something. They're completely in that mode. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. It also reminds me of
Speaker 1: the New York Times. There's a great piece they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, when they're not completely biased, they do really
Speaker 1: good journalism once in a while. That the single most
Speaker 1: important characteristic for a child to predict their success in
Speaker 1: life is resilience. Can they are they afraid of failure?
Speaker 1: Or do they understand ad happens sometime. Let's plunge on
Speaker 1: number one predictor. And I could see why NFL players
Speaker 1: would be really good at that show.
Speaker 3: Who was I talking to the other day that had
Speaker 3: a meeting with their corporate person?
Speaker 2: Who would I have been talking to? I don't talk
Speaker 2: to anyone anyway.
Speaker 3: Uh, they met with their corporate CEO for a major
Speaker 3: corporation and they were having a discussion about AI, and
Speaker 3: I said, what was the gist of it? And the
Speaker 3: gist of it was, We're not going to need any
Speaker 3: of you anymore. Who in this gets rolling? And we've
Speaker 3: all heard this sort of stuff. If you're paying attention
Speaker 3: to AI at all, that all kinds of different jobs
Speaker 3: will go by the wayside. And a lot of the
Speaker 3: jobs that were the most sure thing in our economy
Speaker 3: are the ones that are going to be going first.
Speaker 3: So that has everybody concerned. But we're not there yet.
Speaker 3: AI search engines cite incorrect sources at an alarming sixty rate.
Speaker 3: A new study shows so a lot of people like me.
Speaker 3: When you google something, you're going with the AI version
Speaker 3: at the top of the list for the answer and
Speaker 3: thinking it's probably close enough.
Speaker 2: It might not be that close.
Speaker 3: AI models incorrectly answered more than sixty percent of queries
Speaker 3: about news sources. They have a tendency too, and this
Speaker 3: has been an ongoing problem with AI.
Speaker 2: Make stuff up. AI is like your five year old.
Speaker 1: It just makes stuff up, and you have to realize
Speaker 1: that if your five year old comes in and says,
Speaker 1: you know, a kid named Jimmy down the street punched me.
Speaker 3: Maybe that happened. Maybe there is no Jimmy. They just
Speaker 3: said that for who knows what reason.
Speaker 1: That's the way. That's the way AI is. It just
Speaker 1: makes stuff up. But sixty percent is that what you said? Yes,
Speaker 1: hang on a second, let me use my chet cheept jack.
Speaker 1: That's almost top.
Speaker 3: They ran sixteen hundred qureries across eight different generative search
Speaker 3: tools and came up with that sixty percent number. Surprisingly,
Speaker 3: premium paid versions of these AI search tools fair to
Speaker 3: even worse than certain respects Perplexity Pro, which is twenty
Speaker 3: dollars a month, and groc three that's Elon's Thing, which
Speaker 3: is forty dollars a month confidently delivered incorrect responses more
Speaker 3: often than their free counterparts. For some reason, this is
Speaker 3: around the news stuff, so you pay for less accuracy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, again, around news stuff. I don't know if, like,
Speaker 3: for instance, Groc's claiming it's good at that. Mostly what
Speaker 3: I see on GROC is its ability to I don't know,
Speaker 3: create music videos or pictures or or hot chicks in
Speaker 3: a cowboy hat if that's what you want, or something
Speaker 3: like that. These AI systems seem to be really good
Speaker 3: at that. But in terms of so they would ask
Speaker 3: various questions about news stories, and GROC might give you
Speaker 3: a source that wasn't the source, or make one up,
Speaker 3: or create a link to the information that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: It would just make up a link and they don't
Speaker 2: see no, and they don't It seemed to be well,
Speaker 2: I'm unashamed.
Speaker 3: They know that they don't know why AI does this, right,
Speaker 3: and as we've said before, they're not exactly sure if
Speaker 3: it's fixable. But a I ain't gonna take over the
Speaker 3: world if they can't figure that out.
Speaker 2: I just I don't see.
Speaker 1: How that happened, right, right, It could absolutely take over
Speaker 1: a significant number of professions, sure that are fairly limited
Speaker 1: in scope. There's a great piece in the journal about
Speaker 1: how high school and college students especially are using AI
Speaker 1: to cheat always everywhere, all the time. Not every kid, certainly,
Speaker 1: but man, they go into all the different ways. They
Speaker 1: tell the story of a seventeen year old girl in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. He uses it all the time. She's only
Speaker 1: been busted once. Yeah, here we go. She turned to
Speaker 1: open IA's open ais chat GPT in Google's Gemini to
Speaker 1: help spawn ideas and review concepts, which many teachers allow
Speaker 1: more often. Though AI completed her work, she solved math
Speaker 1: homework problems and ace to take home test chat GPT did.
Speaker 3: I got a message for this kid, You're only hurting yourself.
Speaker 3: That is both true and hilarious. Let's see chat GPT
Speaker 3: did calculations for a science lab. It produced a tricky
Speaker 3: section of a history term paper, which she rewrote to
Speaker 3: avoid detection. And again, though she used it in virtually
Speaker 3: every class, she only got busted once.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The math thing, hm, that's a tough one because you
Speaker 3: problem not probably, I'm sure this is true. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you can have AI even show the work, and you
Speaker 3: could just write down the work.
Speaker 2: The whole show your work thing, right.
Speaker 3: So, but I was wondering about so if I'm writing
Speaker 3: a paper, this would save a lot of time. And
Speaker 3: there's no way you'd ever bust me on this. This
Speaker 3: is just where we are in the modern world. Hey, Groc,
Speaker 3: I need a founding father saying something about the importance
Speaker 3: of borders and it finds me one and I don't
Speaker 3: have to dig through twelve old timey books and go
Speaker 3: to the index and read paragraphs. It's just right there.
Speaker 3: I mean that would be kind of cheating. It's certainly
Speaker 3: easier than it used to be.
Speaker 1: But yes, and there's absolutely a loss to the like
Speaker 1: the indirect educational process because like it or not, as
Speaker 1: you're looking for A you'll also learn B and C.
Speaker 1: It's practically unavoidable.
Speaker 3: And how could they stop you from running, you know,
Speaker 3: having AI read over your paragraph and you know, make
Speaker 3: it a little better and or just summarize everything very briefly.
Speaker 3: I mean, my daughter's in law school, for instance, and
Speaker 3: a big part of it is you read just reams
Speaker 3: of information, then you outline it, you candense it. You
Speaker 3: you know, boil the concert or the actual you know,
Speaker 3: the things that happen in the case down to the concept. Still,
Speaker 3: you need to remember boil us down for me. I'll
Speaker 3: be at the bar at Saint Patrick's day.
Speaker 2: Right exactly.
Speaker 1: And one more aspect of this problem, especially with academia,
Speaker 1: is that the companies that make these tools are not
Speaker 1: so keen on distributing the tools to identify when somebody
Speaker 1: is using it to cheat, because students are their big
Speaker 1: customer base. Well, so they hem and haw about we
Speaker 1: would like to release that to you.
Speaker 3: But it's oh, that's interesting right there. So I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to be anti intellectual, but people have been saying
Speaker 3: this since I was a kid, when computers, when calculators
Speaker 3: first came out. What's the point of me learning this
Speaker 3: as long as there's a calculator.
Speaker 1: Well that's really true now, I mean, every if every
Speaker 1: Homo sapient in America over the age of five is
Speaker 1: carrying a computer that can do all of this math work,
Speaker 1: is there.
Speaker 2: A value in learning how to do it by hand?
Speaker 2: In case you're on a desert island. There's something I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yes, there almost certainly is. A neurologist could probably explain
Speaker 1: it to you that you have a bedrock understanding of
Speaker 1: what you're doing and it helps you in some way
Speaker 1: that I as a politics guy, I can't really describe
Speaker 1: to you if I think you lose something.
Speaker 2: But I also think that's the modern world to a large.
Speaker 3: If GROC or something is going to write everything, it's
Speaker 3: going to write your legal briefs, it's going to write
Speaker 3: up your business proposal. If it's going to write everything,
Speaker 3: is there a reason to learn to write?
Speaker 2: This is well? Wow, wow, that's that's insane.
Speaker 3: And I mean not just to be like a successful
Speaker 3: almost sapien. I mean well, I do mean, I mean
Speaker 3: to be a financially like to make it in the world.
Speaker 3: You just need to know how to run groc. Don't
Speaker 3: you to be better at that?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You need to write well enough to write what you
Speaker 1: want and tell the comp Final note John B. King,
Speaker 1: a chancellor of the State University of New York system
Speaker 1: former Education secretary, sent at a conference in October, quote,
Speaker 1: there are probably lots of students K through twelve and
Speaker 1: higher ed who used chet GPT to do their homework
Speaker 1: last night without learning anything.
Speaker 2: That's scary.
Speaker 1: They weren't learning anything in many cases before AI, so
Speaker 1: that's a problem.
Speaker 2: Also, this is discouraging all the way around. I'm checking
Speaker 2: out of the modern world. I'm telling you starting some
Speaker 2: sort of weird fundamentalist. You know, society tired of being
Speaker 2: in a good mood.
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