WEBVTT - A&G  Replay  Monday Hour Four

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong, and Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong and

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<v Speaker 2>so Chuck Schumer was on the view.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet he's making the rounds because he's got this book out,

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<v Speaker 3>which I actually heard a little bit about it. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad he wrote it, and it's kind of interesting. He's

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<v Speaker 3>worried about the rise of anti Semitism in the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>including in his own party among your college kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's out talking about it. So that's kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck Schumer is an ancient Democratic Senator from New York

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<v Speaker 3>who has been majority leader in the senat a various times.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he's the minority leader. He is the king of

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate on the Democrat side. So he got some

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<v Speaker 3>blowback last week because he went along with the Republican

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<v Speaker 3>legislation that kept the government open and the aocs of

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<v Speaker 3>the world that wing Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, those people

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to shut down the government. Chuck Schumer said there

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<v Speaker 3>was no win in it, and Nancy Pelosi yesterday said

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<v Speaker 3>she kind of hit him with a little uh. She

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<v Speaker 3>still supports him, but I don't believe in giving something

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<v Speaker 3>away for nothing. She said after that, in that Chuck

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<v Speaker 3>went along with it but didn't get anything, which is true.

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<v Speaker 3>Nancy Pelosi was good at that. Trump's good at that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're going to get something from me, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get something from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Always. If only they knew what they wanted. Really, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's a problem. They're so scattered anyway, I didn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about that. So he's on the view and

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<v Speaker 3>he said something that really bothered me.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll start here the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

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<v Speaker 3>wait wait. I don't want that yet. Where we were going

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<v Speaker 3>to start with, remember Jerry Brown to start here. This

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<v Speaker 3>goes back to the governor of California few years back.

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<v Speaker 3>Four term governor. He was the youngest governor of California

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<v Speaker 3>for two terms. That he was the oldest governor in

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<v Speaker 3>California for two terms. He did date a young Linda Ronstadt,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a featheries cap.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmm. You can't take that away from aw.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he once said this about the way economics works.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess those.

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<v Speaker 5>Who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately extracted

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<v Speaker 5>by whatever skill, more and more from the national wealth.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to have to share more of that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on the idea of paying taxes that those who have.

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<v Speaker 3>Disproportionately extracted from the economy more from the national wealth.

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<v Speaker 2>From the national wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>So success is taking money from the nation. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>creating jobs and money and products and greater wealth for everyone. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a limited pie. And you took more than your

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<v Speaker 1>share by building a successful business.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and it's not yours, it's the nations and the

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<v Speaker 3>steward of that money is the government, which we get

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<v Speaker 3>to here with Juck Schumer on the view when he

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<v Speaker 3>said this yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>The Republican Party is a different kettle of fish than

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<v Speaker 5>it used to be, and that's why we're fighting them

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<v Speaker 5>so hard. They are controlled by a small group of wealthy,

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<v Speaker 5>greedy people. And you know what their attitude is. I

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<v Speaker 5>made my money all by myself. How dare your government

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<v Speaker 5>take my money from me. I don't want to pay taxes,

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<v Speaker 5>or I built my company with my bare hands. How

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<v Speaker 5>dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers,

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<v Speaker 5>the land and water that I own, or my employees.

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<v Speaker 4>They hate governments.

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<v Speaker 5>Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them

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<v Speaker 5>from doing things they want to destroy it.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not letting them do it, and we're united.

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<v Speaker 2>So again that in there.

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<v Speaker 3>These greedy people who make money who want to keep

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<v Speaker 3>more of their money. Their attitude is, I made my

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<v Speaker 3>money all by myself. How dare your government take my

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<v Speaker 3>money from me?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well summarized, and so that's an interesting philosophical breakdown. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know people personally who believe that and think that way.

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<v Speaker 3>That you're out there going to work making money, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess for the government. It runs through the government, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you get to keep some of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the government's.

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<v Speaker 3>Money to spend on, you know, good things that make

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<v Speaker 3>everybody better, happier, or something like it.

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<v Speaker 1>And other people will, through the government, take your money

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<v Speaker 1>from you as much as they decide is proper, and

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<v Speaker 1>they will let you keep some of it. Perhaps, as

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<v Speaker 1>the great Thomas Soul said so famously, I have never

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<v Speaker 1>understood why it is greed to want to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>money you have earned, but not greed to want to

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<v Speaker 1>take someone else's mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I found that absolutely fascinating. I mean, that is some

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<v Speaker 3>big time philosophical disagreement on the structure of society.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I would love to reduce our politics now

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<v Speaker 1>and again, maybe we can have one week a year

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<v Speaker 1>where we have learned, folks of you know, each side's

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<v Speaker 1>choosing debate in front of the nation, the notion of

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<v Speaker 1>either a what you earn is yours. Now we the

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<v Speaker 1>people ask you for a little bit of it to

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<v Speaker 1>help run the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhodes Police Army, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But indeed we have past laws saying the government gets

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of it to run itself, versus the

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<v Speaker 1>folks who say, no, the government gets all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>If we decide to take.

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<v Speaker 1>All of it, it's not your money at all, it

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<v Speaker 1>never has been. That goes back and then I would

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<v Speaker 1>love then in the follow up a part my side

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<v Speaker 1>would would say, well, then why the hell would anybody

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<v Speaker 1>bust their ass to build a business if y'all are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take it all or half of it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why socialism doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Should have dug up the Barack Obama clip, the famous

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<v Speaker 3>one that he got beat up for a fair amount.

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<v Speaker 2>By anybody on the right. Anyway, you didn't build that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the idea that government has put in place a

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<v Speaker 3>structure for you to go out and be successful, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you owe that money to the government because they

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<v Speaker 3>put all this together for you to be successful. The

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<v Speaker 3>government is the reason you're successful. That's what Chuck Schumer's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Building a business with five hundred employees, it's like falling

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<v Speaker 1>off a log thanks to the government.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get most of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he used his mocking voice when he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I made my money all by myself. How dare your

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<v Speaker 3>government take my money from me? Okay, I'll say the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing in my regular voe. I made my money

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<v Speaker 3>all by myself. How dare the freaking government take it

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<v Speaker 3>from me? There, I said it without the mocking voice,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's what I actually believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand how a leech on the public like Chuck Schumer,

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<v Speaker 1>who like you know, Joe Biden or a thousand other

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<v Speaker 1>politicians on both sides of the aisle, have made their

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<v Speaker 1>wealth and their power purely from draining the vital fluids

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<v Speaker 1>of the American people. How actual production is foreign to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to have Mark Wayne Mullen talk to Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer about that. Mark Wayne Mullen, who built a He

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<v Speaker 1>was a plumber, he built a plumbing contracting business in Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>became he's a senator now from Oklahoma. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know Mark Wayne, talk to him at the RNC. It

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<v Speaker 1>was great fun and very interesting. But have him discussed

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<v Speaker 1>with Chuck Schumer what it takes to build a business

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<v Speaker 1>as a to just you know, again, being a parasite

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<v Speaker 1>on the height of the American people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something I mean that that I find that highly

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<v Speaker 3>troubling that that attitude even exists out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let alone could win the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, the fact that Chuck Schumer promotes it is

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<v Speaker 1>not that shocking to me. The fact that tens of millions,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty million Americans think the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that bothers me.

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<v Speaker 5>I made my money all by myself. How dare your

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<v Speaker 5>government take my money from me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to pay taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to use the cartoonish voice. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>I actually believe, me and me and lots.

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<v Speaker 1>Of people, and I think virtually nobody says I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to have to pay taxes. No, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have to pay excessive taxes that are purely a

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<v Speaker 1>redistribution of wealth to gain you power, because I know

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<v Speaker 1>with one hundred percent certainty that's what you do. You

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<v Speaker 1>make moral arguments and compassionate arguments to get giant gobs

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<v Speaker 1>of money to enhance your own power and influence.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, if you keep your money. Sometimes people

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<v Speaker 3>do things that are really good for society, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>build a rocket company or charity or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But what if you just go out and buy expensive

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<v Speaker 3>houses and cars if you're super wealthy for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Kensian when the government spreads money around because it's

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<v Speaker 3>just good spending money. But if an individual spends money,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not Kensian and not good for the economy. Is

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<v Speaker 3>fine with me, signed.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody who worked on building that house end or car

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<v Speaker 1>end or services it or fixes that house or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>or its restaurant and has employees. My final note on

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<v Speaker 1>this topic will be something I've said many times through

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<v Speaker 1>the years and will continue to if you will allow me.

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<v Speaker 1>You good people, imagine a charity that can feed, clothes, house, medicate,

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<v Speaker 1>and educate.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousands of children. Thousands of children.

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<v Speaker 1>That charity is called a business with employees who get

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<v Speaker 1>pay and benefits. You have accomplished all those things I

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<v Speaker 1>described by starting a successful business.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't see it that way. On the left, I

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<v Speaker 2>made my.

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<v Speaker 5>Money all by myself. How dare your government take my

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<v Speaker 5>money from me? I don't want to pay taxes?

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<v Speaker 1>True, that is true if this were not being broadcast live.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a simple two word response that rhymes with

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<v Speaker 1>duck whom.

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<v Speaker 2>The armstrong and getting shadows.

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<v Speaker 6>So when you think about these businesses and a one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and five percent therapy put on them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's untenable for them.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't have the cash flow, they don't have the

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<v Speaker 6>access to capital, and it's basically locking up.

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<v Speaker 2>Production in the toy industry.

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<v Speaker 6>No toys are currently being produced in China, and they're

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<v Speaker 6>all reports that major retailers here in the US are

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<v Speaker 6>starting to actually cancel orders.

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<v Speaker 2>So so Christmas is at risk.

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<v Speaker 3>That's some economic expert on CNN yesterday on the lead,

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas is at risk. Toy companies can handle one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and forty five percent tariff. At some point the rubber

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<v Speaker 3>is going to meet the road on this isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we all were relieved, I guess to find

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<v Speaker 3>out iPhones aren't going to triple in price.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is all that other.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff right, you know, part of me he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>urge that guy to watch how the Grinch stole Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas and be reminded that it came. It came, It

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<v Speaker 1>came without boxes and bushels and bags the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Christmas, isn't it risk? But he was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>toy retailers, so I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the ready fire aim nature of the tariffs

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<v Speaker 1>is I think going to be counterproductive, although I suspect

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<v Speaker 1>it's just going to lead to better trade deals. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was pointed out by some learned folks that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a giant multinational conglomerate with lobbyists and perhaps a

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<v Speaker 1>tim cook who can pick up the phone and call

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, you get a carve out. But all the

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<v Speaker 1>mom and pop businesses, all the small manufacturers, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be you know, put out of business, right

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<v Speaker 1>because they can't on shore their inputs fast enough bankrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the main from the right big critique of

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<v Speaker 1>tariffs in general, that it ends up being I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like creating a reason for people to get special

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<v Speaker 1>treatment or do things to get special treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, it enriches the swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just texting with somebody who said they were

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<v Speaker 1>about to do something, it doesn't matter what, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're brave, Gail King, brave. I wonder if that will

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<v Speaker 1>catch on as like, well, you're like Gail King brave

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<v Speaker 1>there congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, speaking of economic occurrence and stuff like that, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk of recession because of the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>And all and how it shakes out. Nobody knows exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not already be in one of many according to

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<v Speaker 2>many economists.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's right, And I came across this from the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal, which I thought was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>good reminder what is a recession and how when will

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<v Speaker 1>we know if we are in one? Now, that common

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<v Speaker 1>rule of thumb is that two consecutive quarters of declining

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<v Speaker 1>griss product counts as a recession, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Last if it's during the Biden administration run, and that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't run out.

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<v Speaker 1>But the GDP is not the criterion used by the

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<v Speaker 1>National Bureau of Economic Research, which is the long standing

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<v Speaker 1>arbiter of US recessions among economists, government officials, policymakers, and

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<v Speaker 1>news organizations including the Wall Street Journal. The NBR recession

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<v Speaker 1>dates are determined by its prosaically named quote Business Cycle

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<v Speaker 1>Dating Committee, a group of eight academic academic economists, some

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<v Speaker 1>of whom have been members of the committee for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>What I look for in order to make a recession

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<v Speaker 1>call this quote a significant decline in economic activity that

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<v Speaker 1>has spread across the economy and lasts more than a

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<v Speaker 1>few months.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's pretty employment wishy washy. Oh, it's very wishy washy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The main indicators they watch are on our employment, inflation

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<v Speaker 1>adjusted personal income, real consumer spending, real manufacturing and trade,

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<v Speaker 1>industry sales, and industrial production.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's there's a democrat in office. Well, yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a little bit of like, that's just your opinion, man.

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<v Speaker 3>And I always remember a guy I knew ran his

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<v Speaker 3>own business. He was a very successful ange his own business.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was years ago, like mid two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 3>I can remember and him saying we're in a recession.

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<v Speaker 3>And we weren't like officially in a recession, and he

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<v Speaker 3>said we're in a recession. And I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that's interesting that you just said that out loud when

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<v Speaker 3>you know it hasn't been declared.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this case, it ended up being declared. The

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<v Speaker 2>next quarter.

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<v Speaker 3>He had already felt it, But I thought at the time, well,

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<v Speaker 3>even if it's not for the rest of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>if it is for your industry here, that's all that

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<v Speaker 3>matters to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is kind of a stupid term.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like we always talk about when they

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<v Speaker 3>give you a national real estate to statistics. What's the

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<v Speaker 3>point of that more homes were sold last year than

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<v Speaker 3>this year. Well that's I don't even know if that

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<v Speaker 3>number is useful to anybody, but it's certainly not useful

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<v Speaker 3>to your state, county, neighborhood or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my only argument against that would be that if

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<v Speaker 1>your policies cause one those policies should be reviewed and criticized. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it helps to be able to say, in even

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<v Speaker 1>a semi concrete way, hey, this isn't working.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hurting the economy. Right. But yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not what the media portrays it to be

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of all encompassing It's not a diagnosis with cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just okay, things are not growing, economics or what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on.

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<v Speaker 3>If your industry on the entire West Coast is suffering

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<v Speaker 3>because of something the weather or whatever, you're in a

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<v Speaker 3>recession every bit as much as if they declared a

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<v Speaker 3>national recession. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm not sure that term

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<v Speaker 3>means that much to me anymore. What you said makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>And again they changed the definition of it or went

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<v Speaker 3>with the specific definition of it when it applied to

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden, because by the definition we'd all been using

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<v Speaker 3>our entire adult lives, we were in a recession, and

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't want that to be true. Right, yep, what evs?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, and I've lived through I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Even tell you how many in my life, ten twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, thirty, I don't even know, which is

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<v Speaker 3>part of my point. They come and go and we're

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<v Speaker 3>all fine, and you know, I don't want it to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not like the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well right, And there have been upsides, Like I've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>used to the taste of human flesh. There's been so

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<v Speaker 1>much cannibal during the recessions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's his old hat. For me, it's the other

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<v Speaker 2>white meat. As far as I'm concerned, Armstrong and Getty

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<v Speaker 2>show to arms Strong and Geddy on demand. We're not boring.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes you angry. You don't want to live your

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<v Speaker 2>life like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong in Geeddy.

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<v Speaker 1>We try to bring you the truth and help you

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<v Speaker 1>figure out this crazy modern world.

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<v Speaker 7>I know something about a comedic tone.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a one arm Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to Armstrong You Getty on demand on the iHeartRadio app,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jack Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe Getty the Armstrong and Getty Show. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting if you're new to the show. Jack

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<v Speaker 1>and I both have railed long and hard against critical

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<v Speaker 1>theory and DEI.

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<v Speaker 2>It's neo Marxism. We'll explain a little more about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It masquerades quite successfully though, as we just want everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to get a fair shot in America, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people think DEI actually is just we want more diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>We want people to be able to apply for jobs

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<v Speaker 1>and get them. No, everybody wants that DEI is in

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<v Speaker 1>in cities plot that masquerades as civil rights. Having said that,

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<v Speaker 1>the headline the Journal America is abandoning DEI. The NFL

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<v Speaker 1>remains all in. Everyone from the federal government as a

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<v Speaker 1>fortune five hundred are dialing back diversity efforts DEI efforts,

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<v Speaker 1>but America's most popular sport is standing its ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not shocked by this. I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the fact that journalism regularly fudges the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between DEI, which is a specific thing, and diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>acting like they're the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly believe the percentage of Americans who understand that

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<v Speaker 1>that DEI is part of critical theory comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>Frankfurt school of philosophy. It's a it's a method of

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<v Speaker 1>taking over institutions. Essentially, you call everybody a racist unless

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<v Speaker 1>they agree with you. Perhaps you went to a delightful

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<v Speaker 1>training session where this happened. And obviously, if you're a racist,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the nice people who are running your DEI department,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be in charge. And so they get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of you, and they bring in somebody who believes what

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<v Speaker 1>they do, which is neo Marxism, equity, et cetera. DEI

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<v Speaker 1>is Marxism. It's not diversity.

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<v Speaker 2>That reminds me.

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<v Speaker 3>I read a great piece yesterday on how Ibram X

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy is one of the great sisters of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that his run is over, I think, and to

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<v Speaker 3>shut down his anti racist institute.

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<v Speaker 2>He got fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Million dollars I think in.

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<v Speaker 2>Donations from companies. Never did anything. No, people are falling

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<v Speaker 2>all over themselves to give money. I'm not a racist.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't call me a racist. Don't call me a racist.

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<v Speaker 1>And you remember, no matter how you intended what you said,

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<v Speaker 1>if I say you're a racist, you are a racist.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a method of capture, of taking over institutions. And

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<v Speaker 1>he and Robin DiAngelo and that whole ridiculous scam which

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<v Speaker 1>is still going on.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew precisely what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to my main point, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't understand it. Yeah, I see even in

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<v Speaker 1>fairly conservative publications, I still see people talk about DEI

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<v Speaker 1>as if it's just an honest and open hearted desire

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<v Speaker 1>to have, you know, like a black kid have the

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<v Speaker 1>same opportunities in America as a white kid. Again, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>wants that DEI is not that anyway. Having said that,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the journal thing, the NFL is a TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>Never forget that. It's an entertainment product from top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not actually an effort to see which city has

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<v Speaker 1>the best forty guys to play football hired BMS. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a TV show, and it is an incredibly popular,

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<v Speaker 1>profitable TV show, and a huge percentage of the cast

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<v Speaker 1>are young black men and are incredibly important to the

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<v Speaker 1>game and its popularity.

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed that, and given the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>That most people don't understand what DEI really is and

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<v Speaker 1>what it is not, including young black men who run,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, receiving routes and get tackled hard and stay

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<v Speaker 1>in incredible physical condition and memorize playbooks that would boggle

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<v Speaker 1>the mind of an MIT physicist, that they don't spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time acquainting themselves with the subtleties of

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<v Speaker 1>sociological issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>So I get why Roger Goodell has said, no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>still up with diversity, up with DEI, We're continuing all

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<v Speaker 1>our programs. I get why he does that. It annoys me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I get it. I thought this was more interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and revealing. This is a piece written by Callum Borcher's

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when a former NFL player becomes your office coworker,

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got to admit I haven't thought about this much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and he mentions, did we find the audio, guys

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<v Speaker 1>from the two thousand and three that was twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago? A Super Bowl commercial featuring was it Terry

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<v Speaker 1>Tait office linebacker or something like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Do we have that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Okay, if you saw the commercial, you certainly remember

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<v Speaker 1>it now. Absolutely hilarious. They hired a linebacker to root

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<v Speaker 1>out inefficiency at their office. It's kind of like Doge,

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<v Speaker 1>except if you weren't doing your job right, he would

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<v Speaker 1>level you wearing his football gear.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, back to the threat of the thing. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>this was super interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out real NFL retirees who entered the business world

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<v Speaker 1>learned to make an impact in different ways. Quote Will Rackley,

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<v Speaker 1>a former offensive lineman for the Jaguars and Ravens. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months into a job as a business

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<v Speaker 1>operations analyst at the staffing firm Atrium.

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<v Speaker 2>He said it can be.

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<v Speaker 1>A culture shock when stepping into a corporate setting as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the locker room. But manager after manager was

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<v Speaker 1>telling Callum borchers that they struggle to recruit people who

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<v Speaker 1>can take and deliver candid feedback, especially these days.

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<v Speaker 2>We've all heard stories of.

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<v Speaker 1>The snowflakes and the gen Zers and millennials and gen

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<v Speaker 1>zers especially who if you say, you know that report

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't quite up to snuff, they will break down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're crutching my spirit. I need a

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<v Speaker 2>spirit day. I need a mental health day.

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<v Speaker 3>They have trouble with people that can deliver the candid feedback.

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<v Speaker 3>Though you smell funny, everybody's talking about it. No, not

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of candid about job performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically a lot of people, particularly given the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about. People who can't take candid feedback

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<v Speaker 1>are extremely uncomfortable giving it.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to stop eating with your mouth open. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make somebody kill you. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're talking about business perform ormance again. But former

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<v Speaker 1>Gridiron pro accustomed to coaches who yell, cuss, and call

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<v Speaker 1>out mistakes in post game film sessions every week of

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<v Speaker 1>their careers, is not likely to will to under a

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<v Speaker 1>little constructive criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>My son just said, this is his first real sport.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's playing volleyball.

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<v Speaker 4>He said.

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<v Speaker 2>The coach is yelling at me all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, that's what coaches do, yes, good or bad,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>The coaches yell at you. That's the way it works.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the candid feedback we're discussing.

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<v Speaker 1>And while there are some truth to the cliche that

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<v Speaker 1>athletes can bring winning mindsets to business, it is actually

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to handle losing that stands out. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Bosses and the former NFL players were talking about, are

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<v Speaker 1>like the vast majority you leave the game, not hall

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<v Speaker 1>of famers with set for life money. They are often

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<v Speaker 1>men who are pushed out of the game by injuries

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<v Speaker 1>or a younger, cheaper draft pick who could play about

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, which is almost everybody gets in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh yeah, yeah, vast majority they've dealt with disappointment

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<v Speaker 1>and regrouped, said an associate director of non traditional talent

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<v Speaker 1>programs at Verizon Quote. The ability to pick yourself up

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<v Speaker 1>and get back into the game is really what business

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<v Speaker 1>is all about, and he's found these guys to be

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<v Speaker 1>much more resilient. I don't they understand, Wow, that went badly,

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<v Speaker 1>What can we learn?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't doubt that that should be focused on more

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<v Speaker 3>for all professional athletes. The vast majority of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you've reached your dreams, made it to that league,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna make a little money and be there a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, and then you're gonna go back to

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<v Speaker 1>regular life and you're gonna be twenty five years old, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that would be an interesting mindset. I was good

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<v Speaker 1>enough to play in that league. I worked my ass

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<v Speaker 1>off ten hours a day, like my whole life. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's over now and I'm only twenty five, and I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do something different, right. But I think the other

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of it, because that's important, though, But the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of somebody, well, they make another point. NFL players are

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<v Speaker 1>completely unfazed by the arduous process of interviewing for white

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<v Speaker 1>collar jobs and or preparing for presentations and interviews and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. It's what they've done their whole lives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different skill set that they're preparing for. But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of we're gonna have to go really really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get rid or get ready for this one

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<v Speaker 1>particular meeting or something. They're completely in that mode. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was interesting. It also reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times. There's a great piece they did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, when they're not completely biased, they do really

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<v Speaker 1>good journalism once in a while. That the single most

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<v Speaker 1>important characteristic for a child to predict their success in

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<v Speaker 1>life is resilience. Can they are they afraid of failure?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do they understand ad happens sometime. Let's plunge on

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<v Speaker 1>number one predictor. And I could see why NFL players

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<v Speaker 1>would be really good at that show.

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<v Speaker 3>Who was I talking to the other day that had

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<v Speaker 3>a meeting with their corporate person?

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<v Speaker 2>Who would I have been talking to? I don't talk

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, they met with their corporate CEO for a major

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<v Speaker 3>corporation and they were having a discussion about AI, and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what was the gist of it? And the

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<v Speaker 3>gist of it was, We're not going to need any

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<v Speaker 3>of you anymore. Who in this gets rolling? And we've

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<v Speaker 3>all heard this sort of stuff. If you're paying attention

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<v Speaker 3>to AI at all, that all kinds of different jobs

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<v Speaker 3>will go by the wayside. And a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>jobs that were the most sure thing in our economy

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<v Speaker 3>are the ones that are going to be going first.

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<v Speaker 3>So that has everybody concerned. But we're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 3>AI search engines cite incorrect sources at an alarming sixty rate.

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<v Speaker 3>A new study shows so a lot of people like me.

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<v Speaker 3>When you google something, you're going with the AI version

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<v Speaker 3>at the top of the list for the answer and

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<v Speaker 3>thinking it's probably close enough.

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<v Speaker 2>It might not be that close.

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<v Speaker 3>AI models incorrectly answered more than sixty percent of queries

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<v Speaker 3>about news sources. They have a tendency too, and this

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<v Speaker 3>has been an ongoing problem with AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Make stuff up. AI is like your five year old.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes stuff up, and you have to realize

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<v Speaker 1>that if your five year old comes in and says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a kid named Jimmy down the street punched me.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that happened. Maybe there is no Jimmy. They just

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<v Speaker 3>said that for who knows what reason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way. That's the way AI is. It just

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<v Speaker 1>makes stuff up. But sixty percent is that what you said? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>hang on a second, let me use my chet cheept jack.

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<v Speaker 1>That's almost top.

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<v Speaker 3>They ran sixteen hundred qureries across eight different generative search

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<v Speaker 3>tools and came up with that sixty percent number. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 3>premium paid versions of these AI search tools fair to

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<v Speaker 3>even worse than certain respects Perplexity Pro, which is twenty

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a month, and groc three that's Elon's Thing, which

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 3>is forty dollars a month confidently delivered incorrect responses more

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<v Speaker 3>often than their free counterparts. For some reason, this is

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<v Speaker 3>around the news stuff, so you pay for less accuracy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, again, around news stuff. I don't know if, like,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, Groc's claiming it's good at that. Mostly what

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<v Speaker 3>I see on GROC is its ability to I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>create music videos or pictures or or hot chicks in

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<v Speaker 3>a cowboy hat if that's what you want, or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. These AI systems seem to be really good

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 3>at that. But in terms of so they would ask

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<v Speaker 3>various questions about news stories, and GROC might give you

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<v Speaker 3>a source that wasn't the source, or make one up,

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<v Speaker 3>or create a link to the information that doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>It would just make up a link and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>see no, and they don't It seemed to be well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm unashamed.

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<v Speaker 3>They know that they don't know why AI does this, right,

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 3>and as we've said before, they're not exactly sure if

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<v Speaker 3>it's fixable. But a I ain't gonna take over the

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<v Speaker 3>world if they can't figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't see.

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<v Speaker 1>How that happened, right, right, It could absolutely take over

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<v Speaker 1>a significant number of professions, sure that are fairly limited

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<v Speaker 1>in scope. There's a great piece in the journal about

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<v Speaker 1>how high school and college students especially are using AI

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<v Speaker 1>to cheat always everywhere, all the time. Not every kid, certainly,

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>but man, they go into all the different ways. They

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story of a seventeen year old girl in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. He uses it all the time. She's only

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>been busted once. Yeah, here we go. She turned to

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<v Speaker 1>open IA's open ais chat GPT in Google's Gemini to

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>help spawn ideas and review concepts, which many teachers allow

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>more often. Though AI completed her work, she solved math

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<v Speaker 1>homework problems and ace to take home test chat GPT did.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a message for this kid, You're only hurting yourself.

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 3>That is both true and hilarious. Let's see chat GPT

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 3>did calculations for a science lab. It produced a tricky

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<v Speaker 3>section of a history term paper, which she rewrote to

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<v Speaker 3>avoid detection. And again, though she used it in virtually

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<v Speaker 3>every class, she only got busted once.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The math thing, hm, that's a tough one because you

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<v Speaker 3>problem not probably, I'm sure this is true. I'm sure

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 3>you can have AI even show the work, and you

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 3>could just write down the work.

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>The whole show your work thing, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but I was wondering about so if I'm writing

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<v Speaker 3>a paper, this would save a lot of time. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's no way you'd ever bust me on this. This

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<v Speaker 3>is just where we are in the modern world. Hey, Groc,

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<v Speaker 3>I need a founding father saying something about the importance

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 3>of borders and it finds me one and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to dig through twelve old timey books and go

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<v Speaker 3>to the index and read paragraphs. It's just right there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that would be kind of cheating. It's certainly

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<v Speaker 3>easier than it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, and there's absolutely a loss to the like

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<v Speaker 1>the indirect educational process because like it or not, as

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for A you'll also learn B and C.

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<v Speaker 1>It's practically unavoidable.

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<v Speaker 3>And how could they stop you from running, you know,

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 3>having AI read over your paragraph and you know, make

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 3>it a little better and or just summarize everything very briefly.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, my daughter's in law school, for instance, and

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<v Speaker 3>a big part of it is you read just reams

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 3>of information, then you outline it, you candense it. You

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, boil the concert or the actual you know,

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>the things that happen in the case down to the concept. Still,

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 3>you need to remember boil us down for me. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be at the bar at Saint Patrick's day.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And one more aspect of this problem, especially with academia,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the companies that make these tools are not

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<v Speaker 1>so keen on distributing the tools to identify when somebody

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>is using it to cheat, because students are their big

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>customer base. Well, so they hem and haw about we

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<v Speaker 1>would like to release that to you.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's oh, that's interesting right there. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>trying to be anti intellectual, but people have been saying

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<v Speaker 3>this since I was a kid, when computers, when calculators

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<v Speaker 3>first came out. What's the point of me learning this

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<v Speaker 3>as long as there's a calculator.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's really true now, I mean, every if every

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<v Speaker 1>Homo sapient in America over the age of five is

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a computer that can do all of this math work,

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<v Speaker 1>is there.

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<v Speaker 2>A value in learning how to do it by hand?

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<v Speaker 2>In case you're on a desert island. There's something I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there almost certainly is. A neurologist could probably explain

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>it to you that you have a bedrock understanding of

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing and it helps you in some way

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that I as a politics guy, I can't really describe

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to you if I think you lose something.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>But I also think that's the modern world to a large.

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<v Speaker 3>If GROC or something is going to write everything, it's

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 3>going to write your legal briefs, it's going to write

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>up your business proposal. If it's going to write everything,

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 3>is there a reason to learn to write?

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<v Speaker 2>This is well? Wow, wow, that's that's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean not just to be like a successful

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<v Speaker 3>almost sapien. I mean well, I do mean, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>to be a financially like to make it in the world.

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 3>You just need to know how to run groc. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>you to be better at that?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You need to write well enough to write what you

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<v Speaker 1>want and tell the comp Final note John B. King,

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<v Speaker 1>a chancellor of the State University of New York system

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<v Speaker 1>former Education secretary, sent at a conference in October, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>there are probably lots of students K through twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>higher ed who used chet GPT to do their homework

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<v Speaker 1>last night without learning anything.

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<v Speaker 2>That's scary.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>They weren't learning anything in many cases before AI, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, this is discouraging all the way around. I'm checking

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<v Speaker 2>out of the modern world. I'm telling you starting some

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of weird fundamentalist. You know, society tired of being

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in a good mood.

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Tune in the Armstrong and Getty Show, I guess Strong.

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>And Getty Show. When you will listen to arms Strong

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>in Geeddy on demand? We're not boring. A lot of

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>news is boring and tedious and depressing.

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>It makes you angry. You don't want to live your

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong in Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>We try to bring you the truth and help you

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>figure out this crazy modern world.

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<v Speaker 7>You know something about a comedic tone. We have a

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 7>one yes, listen to Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You get an on demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>or wherever you get your podcasts.