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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into this a little bit here. You are

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Speaker 1: a consultant for History Channels Project Bluebook and the show

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Speaker 1: is an immense hit and I really enjoy it. I

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Speaker 1: had to get over the shock of the way they

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Speaker 1: dealt with everything and just accepted a good storytelling, right,

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Speaker 1: And you think that's what you've got to do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of UFO geeks out there, like we are,

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Speaker 1: but they're kind of the equivalent of the comic book

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Speaker 1: Dian Simpsons, you know, like we'll critique every little thing

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Speaker 1: that's not right, like worst episode ever, you know, those

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Speaker 1: kinds of people who just love to rip on it

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Speaker 1: because it's not exactly true. Right. But it is a

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Speaker 1: television show and they do fictionalize. And the thing that

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Speaker 1: I learned when I was talking with the team there,

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Speaker 1: and they've gots very, very good and dedicated people, I

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Speaker 1: have to say, is that book when you're doing a

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Speaker 1: TV show, it's a number one thing for them is

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Speaker 1: the storyline. They got to create a story that people

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Speaker 1: are gonna like, and then they will bring in the

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Speaker 1: relevant UFO information that they can to make a fit.

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Speaker 1: I can't say that they're they're actually into it and

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Speaker 1: they're dedicated, they're trying to do the best they can,

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Speaker 1: and you know, look, there's there's a lot of historical

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Speaker 1: truth that they do include there. There there are storylines

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Speaker 1: that are not true obviously, uh you know, elements to it,

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Speaker 1: and that's just how it goes. But yeah, I've actually

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Speaker 1: I support any any kind of mainstream effort that results

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Speaker 1: in more people becoming interested in the UFO subject. I

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Speaker 1: actually have come to feel that that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And if it's not exact, then it's up to people

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Speaker 1: like us to to provide the true historical context of

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Speaker 1: these things. Yeah. I had to tap out right after

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Speaker 1: episode one of the critiquing. You know, I had a

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Speaker 1: long list of things that they got wrong, and I

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Speaker 1: got to episode two and I tapped out. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I just need to enjoy this. Just watch it and

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Speaker 1: enjoy it, and it's a lot of fun. It took

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Speaker 1: a lot for me to do the release, but once

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Speaker 1: I did, I enjoy the show. Now I look forward

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Speaker 1: to it every week. Yeah, yeah, I've enjoyed it. I've

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Speaker 1: been kept up on every single one for season two.

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Speaker 1: But we will catch up, but I definitely like what

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Speaker 1: they've been trying to do overall. Now let's get let's

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Speaker 1: get to the Robertson panel, and before we get to

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Speaker 1: the episode, specifically, historically the Robertson panel, and I want

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Speaker 1: to start with this very leading question, which is this

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Speaker 1: the Robertson panel wanted to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: tap down the hysteria that was going on back then

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Speaker 1: and their approach to that, and it makes me think

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Speaker 1: about today, if disclosure would have happened, I mean, real

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Speaker 1: disclosure with the president on live TV, if that would

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Speaker 1: have happened before the coronavirus, I think the world might

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Speaker 1: have reacted the way they're reacting today. I'm not so

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Speaker 1: confident that it would have been smooth sailing. What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Well, I go back and forth. They keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, that was a generation that fought the Second

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Speaker 1: World War, so they had gone through a truly epic

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Speaker 1: Titanic struggle with hundreds of those of the Americans dead

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Speaker 1: and millions of people around the world dead. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't say they weren't used to trauma. They were

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Speaker 1: definitely used to trauma in a way that our generation

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Speaker 1: generally speaking is definitely not so there's zas, But the

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Speaker 1: whole thing about trying to contain public opinion, that's I

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Speaker 1: think absolutely true. They were trying to do that back

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Speaker 1: in the late forties early fifties for sure. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've written a lot about this, and I've been very

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Speaker 1: critical of the secrecy about UFOs. I was lasted now

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Speaker 1: an entire human lifetime. But it's not that we can't

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Speaker 1: understand why there would have been some motivations for this.

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the late nineteen forties, You've

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Speaker 1: got the situation where these objects have come down and

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Speaker 1: your military, the US militaries, acquire them, and the real

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Speaker 1: question is do you tell the world? And there's you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of instincts that all of us would have

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Speaker 1: then you'd have all these advisors around you're telling you

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Speaker 1: you've got to think about this, mister President, because if

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Speaker 1: not just telling the world that this is a real thing.

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Speaker 1: It's you've got their technology, you've got their bodies, you've

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Speaker 1: going to have to eventually share. Once you tell the

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Speaker 1: because back then there actually were quite quite a lot

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Speaker 1: were really big over Washington. There's lots of sidings there.

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Speaker 1: There were signings all for a year, and it was

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Speaker 1: the last year of Harry Truman's presidency, and this thing

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Speaker 1: came to a head, and that resulted in what became

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, was the last weekend of Harry Truman's presidency,

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Speaker 1: and this was a CIA orchestrated panel of very prominent

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Speaker 1: scientists who frankly didn't know or care much about UFOs overall,

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Speaker 1: and they convened to put this to sleep much more

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Speaker 1: even for the military itself. The Robertson Panel was actually

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Speaker 1: the last bit of house cleaning of the Harry Truman administration,

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Speaker 1: because two days after they finished, Wight Eisenharer was sworn

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Speaker 1: scoffed at the idea of economics from shutting down religions

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Speaker 1: and that we've just looked forward in time thinking there

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Speaker 1: was nothing that would do that to this planet. And

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Speaker 1: I look now and that question has been answered. There

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Speaker 1: is something that could globally cause panic and shut this

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Speaker 1: question of if this could happen, that part has been answered.

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Speaker 1: It makes me wonder. I'm I'm going to withhold my

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate it with Corona, with COVID that it is possible,

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Speaker 1: at least it seems to be. I mean, maybe that's premature,

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Speaker 1: but it does seem possible that we can deal with it.

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Speaker 1: We have to be strong and we can get through this.

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Speaker 1: And with something like an alien revelation, if that were

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Speaker 1: as immediate widespread disruption, frankly, because with something like a pandemic,

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Speaker 1: And the question is would an alien disclosure do that?

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Speaker 1: And you know, when Bryce Able and I thought about

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Speaker 1: we really it's hard, it's hard to put yourself in

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Speaker 1: And I think it's true there would be a lot

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Speaker 1: of initial panic, but ultimately life would not necessarily look

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Speaker 1: actually shutting us down in a way that we only

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Speaker 1: a pandemic really probably could. Whereas disclosure would be different.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone will behave well with the disclosure, but I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people would, and I don't actually

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Speaker 1: think it would be as bad. Well, there's I think

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Speaker 1: that there's two different types of disclosure. There would be

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Speaker 1: and we have been in the past. That's one revelation.

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Speaker 1: The other one would be we're not alone in the universe,

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Speaker 1: and we know that this particular planet out of Zeta

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Speaker 1: other would cause a different type of reaction. Right, one

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Speaker 1: If they were to say UFOs appear to be real

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Speaker 1: think it's that intense at that center. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: just like any other person who's got very, very sensitive

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