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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sharper Square, presented by hard Rock Bet. We

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Speaker 1: are part of the Volume podcast network. This is the

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Speaker 1: show that makes the squares sharper and makes the wives

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Speaker 1: guys pay attention. I am Chadmullman. I am joined as

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Speaker 1: always by my bff, my companion, my Campadre, my co host,

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Speaker 1: Professional Better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Simon, Hello Chad.

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Speaker 3: I was your first non football weekend in six months?

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Speaker 4: Brother?

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Speaker 2: It was? It was wild.

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Speaker 1: My wife and I went down on Thursday to Philly.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we took the train down from Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: got in right in time to have dinner with our

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Speaker 1: older son who's at Drexel and as a senior, and

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Speaker 1: went to a great restaurant, went back to the hotel,

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Speaker 1: woke up the next morning, left early, went down to DC.

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Speaker 2: My wife came back to Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: I went to DC and met my younger son and

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Speaker 1: we went to see the Wizard's.

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Speaker 2: Lakers game and it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, we really just wanted to see Lebron

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Speaker 1: before in case he was retiring this year, and this

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Speaker 1: was a good opportunity to do it. They were up

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Speaker 1: by forty early in the third quarter, the Lakers were

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Speaker 1: Lebron was jumping out of the gym like he was

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old. Luca had a triple double in the

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Speaker 1: first half. Well, it was even for a forty point blowt.

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Speaker 1: It was freaking wild. And Sunday was the weirdest day.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on this book, but i feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: in decent shape and I've got a little transition moment

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Speaker 2: I watched movies for part of the day. I watched

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Speaker 2: like two, I watched Wolfe of Wall Street. Last night.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with myself.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, that's a great day.

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Speaker 3: I went to Sandy. Yougo got away for the weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: live in the good level. You should go to Florida

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Speaker 3: and meet up with the boys. But a lot of

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Speaker 3: the pros I know were like, dude, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: cold in Florida. Let's do San Diego. In's stats last minute,

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Speaker 3: went to San Diego, went to PB. If you don't know,

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Speaker 3: that is Civic Beach.

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Speaker 2: Hung Did you surf?

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Speaker 4: Nope?

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Speaker 3: Say that for Jersey. I did not bring a wetsuit

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Speaker 3: with me to Cali. But no, it's just those people

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Speaker 2: The most surprising thing to me.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into this with our guests and

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Speaker 1: talk about the game, but something shocked me before we

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Speaker 2: You went surfing in New Jersey today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a big storm come through. If people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had some big waves up here in Jersey.

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Speaker 3: So I went out and uh yeah, Chad was shocked

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Speaker 3: to know that a wetsuit could keep you warm.

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Speaker 2: But it's warm enough, like in in.

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Speaker 3: Five inch thick it's it's good enough. It really is incredible,

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Speaker 4: So I had a rough go of it.

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Speaker 4: That's how big a waves are right now.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's I don't want to say dangerous,

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Speaker 2: Dude, You're gonna have so many more of those moments.

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Speaker 2: I cannot tell you.

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Speaker 4: They happened too regular now it's kind of depressing.

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Speaker 1: I had one of those moments where on Friday night,

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Speaker 2: Like, I can't do that. I haven't been here. I

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Speaker 4: a long time, my friend.

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Speaker 1: No, it's when I got to use my pre alcohol,

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Speaker 1: which we'll get to. This is our Tuesday Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Week preview episode, and we do have another very special guest,

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Speaker 1: which we will get to in a minute. But there's

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Speaker 1: been more big news this week, and it's all related

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. I don't know if you were

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Speaker 1: surprised by this, but the Vikings fired their GM Koci

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Speaker 1: Adolfa Mensa, and you know, on the surface, it looked

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Speaker 1: like it was completely reactive almost to Sam Donald leading

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks to the Super Bowl, right, like a team

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Speaker 1: could that have been us? When we've been better off

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Speaker 1: keeping Sam Donald. Justin Jefferson was quoted in USA Today

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Speaker 1: on ESPN dot com, Brian Flores was sort of waiting

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Speaker 1: And then that ESPN story pointed this out, which I

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Speaker 1: out of this GM's four drafts, one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty eight starts from players drafted over

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that at all. Was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm most surprised.

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Speaker 3: I think you're in a different way after you're going

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Speaker 4: But I liked that well.

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Speaker 1: You could tell because he wasn't smiling in any pictures together,

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Speaker 3: But no, for this it had They can say it

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Speaker 3: we got to keep Darnold. He said we're going with

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Speaker 3: JJ And if that is true to me as an owner,

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Speaker 3: you're that's fireable. You've set our franchise back now potentially

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: If if Sam Donald loses last week, maybe he keeps

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Speaker 4: But as soon as he won that game, I really did.

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Speaker 4: I was waiting for this to happen. We said it

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Speaker 3: Who was the biggest loser who he felt bad for,

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Speaker 3: this Super now, So yeah, pretty shocking. You know, made

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Speaker 4: Was probably the biggest, right.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's one that's not going to move the

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Speaker 3: It's how much power is this man going to happen?

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Speaker 3: It is even better correct a mistake that is nine

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, Like, how do you fix that?

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Speaker 1: The other coaching news, Klint Kubiak expected to sign as

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Speaker 1: Bowl is over, he'll get the coach Fernando Mendoza, whose

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Speaker 1: victory tour continues to be as charming as the entire

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Speaker 1: Indiana season. There's gonna be a lot of coaching talk

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Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl. I do want to get into

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Speaker 1: the game with our very special guest because he's got

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Speaker 1: get your pods. Let's bring in our guests, our Volume brother,

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Speaker 1: former NFL personnel man with the Philadelphia Eagles, host of

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Speaker 1: the very popular football podcast Three and Out, which you

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Speaker 2: He can talk for hours.

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Speaker 1: About football all by himself, which I want to ask

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Speaker 1: him about because the only other person I know who

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Speaker 1: can do that is our boss, Colin Cowherd. He will

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Speaker 1: answer her all of our questions about the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: matchup and so much more.

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Speaker 5: Please welcome.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, incredibly hydrated John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 5: Chad, It's an honor. When I got the text, I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 5: I'm getting invited to the big leagues now. So I've

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Speaker 5: been following and listening to you for a long long time.

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Speaker 5: So fired up. Fired up the gambling world. You know,

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Speaker 5: as a as a guy that used to sneak in

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Speaker 5: do Cash Creek casino. I grew up close to close

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Speaker 5: to Sacramento in Davis, California, and we had this Indian

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Speaker 5: dollar blackjack. I bet you couldn't go in now and

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Speaker 5: they'd be anything under twenty five dollars a hand. But

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Speaker 5: I remember my high school buddies would go there like sixteen,

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Speaker 5: seventeen years older. You know, you're supposed to be eighteen,

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Speaker 5: but you'd steal like twenty bucks from your parents and

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Speaker 5: I just drove out here an hour but got the

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Speaker 5: I got the bug early. And then obviously sports gambling,

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Speaker 2: Well, we're glad to have you.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled around to talk about this matchup.

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Speaker 2: Especially.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've had some quarterback injuries, starting with Stafford, who

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Speaker 5: Friseno steak guy. I think Derek Carr got that injury

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Speaker 5: hesitant to think this as much. You never know. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it is football. I mean, injuries do impact players. But

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Speaker 5: until I see the guy not being able to function,

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Speaker 2: Simon four and a half, it stayed steady. It looked

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Speaker 1: Might hit five for a minute, and it's kind of

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Speaker 1: what that's saying is basically, whise guys know he's fine,

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Speaker 1: whise guys know they're being cautious. Wise guys know he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was never a doubt he wasn't gonna play.

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Speaker 3: It was just what's the injury injury tolerance here? To me,

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Speaker 3: it's the NFL. Everyone's gonna get surgery. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: couple of days ago, right, he got surgery as soon

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Speaker 3: as he's Everyone knew he was playing with something wrong

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Speaker 3: everything I've seen, it's like he's he's fine. So to me,

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Speaker 3: he was playing with a torn whatever in his shoulder,

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Speaker 4: The serious injury. After the fact could happen.

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Speaker 3: But as we're talking about leaks, I've heard nothing leaking

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Speaker 3: This is a number that I don't think they can move.

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Speaker 3: Chad I think they've kind of backed themselves in the

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Speaker 4: So much Seahawks money.

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Speaker 3: If they do move it off an injury like this,

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Speaker 3: say they did move with the six double the amount

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Speaker 4: Now you're seeing that he might be hurt. That's why

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Speaker 4: the numbers move in.

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Speaker 3: So they're kind of stuck, in my opinion, I don't

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Speaker 3: think they can move the number this point because they're

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Speaker 3: already so dug in on the Patriots, right. They desperately

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Speaker 3: the house always wins. I'm gonna build the house, and

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Speaker 3: it's like the super Bowl. You can't think that way

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Speaker 3: the books. The House does not always claim if this

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Speaker 3: like that. Jet So to me, the conversation about the

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Speaker 3: it's not that bad.

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Speaker 4: He's going to play in this game.

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Speaker 3: He'll be fine, And we won't know until you know

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Speaker 3: it's it's game time if that's the truth or not. Right,

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Speaker 3: If they're dropping backchat he's not thrown deep, that's going

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Speaker 5: We'll see amount of money bet on the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Year is at a record, right, and I mean the

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Speaker 1: because prediction markets do it based on volume of trades,

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Speaker 2: So who even knows what the total handle was going

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Speaker 3: But the just top of what my point about the

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Speaker 5: Totally trumpa bet millions of dollars on Saquon to score

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Speaker 1: Year, hundreds hundreds hundreds of john last year or six

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Speaker 1: Oh you know you're talking the aggregate, the total amount.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Saquon Barkley props. I remember talking to a

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Speaker 1: It's the Seahawks' success or failure will rest on how

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Speaker 5: Well, I actually thought that game against the Rams some

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Speaker 5: So it's like if he plays in this Kubiak Shanahan

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Speaker 5: I was in the Bay Area, and you know, the

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444
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Speaker 5: momentum in football, the sideline like you turn them over.

445
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Speaker 5: Like the Patriots, they've kind of lived off that this

446
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Speaker 5: year of just their team that like the one thing

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Speaker 5: was Seattle, like they do got a bunch of swet

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Speaker 5: players and this is why I actually hammered them this

449
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Speaker 5: year because they were like plus five hundred to win

450
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Speaker 5: the division. It's like, guys, the Rams went ten and

451
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Speaker 5: seven as well last year, and while the forty nine

452
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Speaker 5: ers aren't gonna be as disastrous as they were the

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Speaker 5: previous year, the Seattle went ten and seven to two.

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Speaker 5: And if Darnold is just solid, their defense is gonna

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Speaker 5: be better. Steem's gonna be pretty good. And they've had

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Speaker 5: like down the stretch of the year, right their offense

457
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Speaker 5: wasn't as explosive, and he had two weird games against

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Speaker 5: the Rams. But for the most part, I do wonder

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Speaker 5: if we just talk about the evolution like the Jets

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Speaker 5: building off the couple games the end the season last

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Speaker 5: year and then the Rams experience this year, how could

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Speaker 5: he not just have a little more confidence of like,

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Speaker 5: I don't need to force it. I got these guys.

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Speaker 5: He's got a defensive head coach. His the Kubiaks and Shanahans,

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Speaker 5: they aren't blood related. They might as well be cousins, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean they are in relation to the offense, they

468
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Speaker 5: all know it like the back of their hand, and

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Speaker 5: this offense is essentially, if it's going well and their

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Speaker 5: defenses are built, which Seattle's is, we're gonna have less

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Speaker 5: than thirty attempts. So and in those thirty attempts, half

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Speaker 5: of them are going to be layup throws, I mean

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Speaker 5: throws that you and me could could make if we

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Speaker 5: weren't getting pressure or whatever. They're going to be NFL

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Speaker 5: as easy as it gets, and then there's going to

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Speaker 5: be ten to twenty percent where you're going to need

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Speaker 5: to make a play. And that's where it can be.

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Speaker 5: You know, Perberdy throws some picks. Sam can throw some picks.

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Speaker 5: If you make the right play an explosive place, which

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Speaker 5: he did against the Rams, will beat anybody. That's why

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Speaker 5: Shannon's won all these games, the Packers have won a

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Speaker 5: bunch of games. It is tailor made for the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Then if you get a talented guy, which Sam is

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Speaker 5: extremely physically gifted, so if you do have explosive that

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Speaker 5: plays down the field, he's not gonna have problems hitting

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Speaker 5: twelve of completions for a buck twenty. Look at they

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Speaker 5: had no problem playing that way either, And that's what's

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Speaker 5: scary about a team like Seattle. They could beat you

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Speaker 5: by twenty points with him completing fifteen balls.

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Speaker 1: What have you seen, say, even over the last four

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Speaker 1: fewer turnovers for his team than he was prior in

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Speaker 1: a very weird stretch where it seemed like he was

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball into coverage and turned out over all

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Speaker 1: the time. How much of that is Kubiak adjusting the

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Speaker 1: game plan.

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Speaker 2: From what you've seen.

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Speaker 1: How much of that is Donald making smarter plays and

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Speaker 1: because there's clearly been a distinction, And I know, for me,

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Speaker 1: as I'm thinking about betting this game, I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: Donald being more of what he's done in the past

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Speaker 1: four weeks. You know, we had Evan Abrams on the

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Speaker 1: show and he pointed out that Donald has the fourth

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Speaker 1: highest QB rating of anybody in playoff history right now. So,

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Speaker 1: like going into this Super Bowl, what has been the difference?

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Speaker 1: Is it the game plan? Is it how he's managing

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Speaker 1: the game himself?

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Speaker 5: I do wonder if that, I mean that second Rams

555
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Speaker 5: game was also disaster for him. Yes, right, he had

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Speaker 5: a couple picks. They were in shambles, and then once

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Speaker 5: that pump return happened, it did lighten the mood. And

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Speaker 5: this is we talked about momentum on their sideline a

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Speaker 5: little bit, like it gave him life and he kind

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Speaker 5: of looked like a different player. And I've always been

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Speaker 5: a big believer. I don't care what you do in life,

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Speaker 5: whether you're playing pro sports or whether you're doing what

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Speaker 5: we do, or whether you're selling insurance for younger people.

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Speaker 5: Confidence is a very powerful thing. Like you can lose it,

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Speaker 5: you feel like you're never going to get it back,

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Speaker 5: and when you got it, you feel like he ain't

567
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Speaker 5: ever gonna leave. And he had that final drive and

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Speaker 5: that has he's parlayed that into playing at a really,

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Speaker 5: really high level. And that final drive was big time.

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Speaker 5: Like if that final drive to win that game on

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Speaker 5: Thursday night had been Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar

572
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Speaker 5: would have been like, see all time great right here,

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Speaker 5: that's what they do. But it was Sam. It was like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but he played a crappy game. You know, it's kind

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Speaker 5: of weird, and and he has to fight that, right,

576
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Speaker 5: like every quarterback that's not you know, a no doubt

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Speaker 5: about it, first bout Hall of Famer, like once you're

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Speaker 5: in that to me, that kind of category of like

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Speaker 5: guy six to like twelve fourteen. You know, the Purdies,

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Speaker 5: the Daks, the Goths. The narrative can come back either

581
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Speaker 5: way on them at any moment, like a Josh Okay,

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Speaker 5: he played a bad game against the Broncos. Right, well,

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Speaker 5: turns out a broken foot and it was like the

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Speaker 5: first really bad game in the playoff? What do you

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Speaker 5: want to do? Bencham? Like what were we even talking about?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: I was a huge Peyton Nanning fan. He had a

588
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Speaker 5: lot of bad games. So I think confidence is really big,

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Speaker 5: and I mean JSN is just an elite player.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: I think the one question is going to be they're

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Speaker 5: pretty dependent on just you know, they kind of had something.

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Speaker 5: They just had multiple running backs. Now charvion A's out,

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Speaker 5: They're pretty dependent on Kenneth Walker, who has looked exceptional.

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Speaker 5: I think was it McDonald or Kubiak? Maybe if John

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Speaker 5: Schneider said that he's like really stepped it up, like

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Speaker 5: he does look like playing the guy that I remember

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Speaker 5: at Michigan State that got what's his name of contract

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Speaker 5: extension before he blew it Meltucker dollars mel Tucker. You know,

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Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker looked like Walter Payton that year. So he's

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Speaker 5: shown signs now. Granted a couple of them are against

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Speaker 5: the forty nine ers, whose defense is not great. But

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Speaker 5: even last week I thought the stats what weren't reflective

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Speaker 5: to his impact. So to me, it always helps to

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Speaker 5: have a running back in the in the Kubiak system

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Speaker 5: because they will just dump it down throw it to

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Speaker 5: him a lot. And obviously the tight ends as well.

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Speaker 5: But you got a wide receiver that I mean jays

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Speaker 5: N made a couple of catches in that game that

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Speaker 5: the one out of bounds in the back of the

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Speaker 5: end zone where he leaped. It looks like is that

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Speaker 5: Michael Jordan? I mean, because I had someone text me like,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's a likes the c NFL, but he's

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Speaker 5: more casual and he's like, how does this was after

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Speaker 5: the game Donald had against the Niners twenty he threw

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Speaker 5: f one hundred and twenty yards. I feel like I

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Speaker 5: watched Sam Donald and he throws for less than two

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Speaker 5: hundred yards at jas ends like shattering records. Here. How's

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Speaker 5: this as that? I'm like, wow, some of it was

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Speaker 5: early in the season. They banked a bunch of yards.

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Speaker 5: But like at any moment, he can have Puka like lines,

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Speaker 5: which he literally just did. Him and Puka were I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, two of the best players on that

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Speaker 5: field whatever, how many days ago now? So I think

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Speaker 5: confidence is a huge thing, and he's just even the

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Speaker 5: last two I felt like I was on an island

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Speaker 5: last year the Lions game. He was bad, right, he

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Speaker 5: was atrocious. Kevin O'Connell was not good in that playoff game.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you got to help this guy out a

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Speaker 5: little bit. He kept calling passes. You know, Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 5: is much more McVeigh is really not Kyle's guy. He

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Speaker 5: feels much more like Andy Reid's guy. Mcveig would throw

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Speaker 5: it fifty times a game every game if he could.

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Speaker 5: He wants to throw which listen, we all have our

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Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell's all like that too. Andy Reid would throw

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Speaker 5: it at fifty sixty times a game every single game

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Speaker 5: if he could, where Kyle Shanahan would run at fifty

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Speaker 5: or sixty times, right like most defensive coaches and I

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Speaker 5: think Sam got put in a rough spot in that

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Speaker 5: playoff game, and I think that so it felt like

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Speaker 5: two games was like, I think Kevin O'Connell's getting a

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Speaker 5: little bit of a pass and you've seen him this year.

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Speaker 5: He could turn over the ball. I mean that's he's

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Speaker 5: a little bit of a gun slinger. I mean that's

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Speaker 5: kind of the way he plays. He's not I don't

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Speaker 5: even he's not Alex Smith, but he doesn't have that

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Speaker 5: physical skill set like he has an explosive arm, and

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Speaker 5: he's made enough plays now the last couple of years

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Speaker 5: where he knows it works.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there with you, John.

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Speaker 3: Where I held last year against San Darnal was one

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Speaker 3: so well, and then the biggest.

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Speaker 3: That last game against the Rams though, that again I

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Speaker 3: bet him. I bet on them as a team, I said, Chad,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Sam darnoald saved us.

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Speaker 3: He had the game of all games against that Rams team,

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Speaker 3: if he makes these mistakes, like you said, he will

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Speaker 4: I just can't see the shucks the game. They just

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Speaker 3: And I think of the art of war, right, never

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Speaker 3: this game is going to be, right. They got two

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Speaker 3: guys on both sidelines. You know Vrabel as well. He

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Speaker 4: The Patriots were dead.

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Speaker 3: you just talk about Rabel right now, because we're getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of love Seattle.

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Speaker 4: Rabel's the difference, make right.

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Speaker 3: He is the reason the Patriots are here where they

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Speaker 3: are a lot of Drake may love, but it's it

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Speaker 3: is Verbel, they said, Verbel defense. Everything about this defense

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Speaker 3: is just such a Verble personality. Can you speak on

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Speaker 3: him how you feel about him as a coach, and

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Speaker 3: you know the confrontation is to a success.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I feel the biggest bet I've ever

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Speaker 4: It was incredible.

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Speaker 5: But I have a lot of conviction in Seattle in

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Speaker 5: this game, like I mean a ton like it wouldn't

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Speaker 5: shock me at off. We get one of those Super

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Speaker 5: Bowls where it's like thirty eight to ten, just an

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Speaker 5: ass kicking. But the Verabel Josh McDaniel's combo makes me

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Speaker 5: pretty nervous. I mean, Sean Payton said it after on

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Speaker 5: that fourth down that they went for it that obviously

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Speaker 5: looking back, that he would have kicked the field goal

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Speaker 5: if you would have known, like, we got the look

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Speaker 5: we wanted, but then what happened They ran something completely

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Speaker 5: different with the look. Well, while he was never a

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Speaker 5: coach for Belichick, he was one of his key cogs

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Speaker 5: on defense all those Super Bowl championships where Belichick ran

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Speaker 5: some of like the most famous game plans in the

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Speaker 5: history of the sport. And clearly Mike being now a coach,

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Speaker 5: you know, I mean, was probably on the front lines

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Speaker 5: with Bill and Romeo Crenell discussing this and implementing it

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Speaker 5: guys are smart too, and I think it takes away

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Speaker 5: a little bit. I think Mike when it comes to

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Speaker 5: football is brilliant. Yeah, you know, I mean brilliant, And

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Speaker 5: you guys might know this. I need to look this up.

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Speaker 5: There can't be in the history of the NFL a

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Speaker 5: coordinator who has coordinated more offensive or defensive game plans

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Speaker 5: for playoff games, and Josh McDaniels feels like this would

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Speaker 5: be like his fortieth game because most guys like become

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Speaker 5: a head coach or whatever. But all of his work

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Speaker 5: in the playoffs for how many years now, multiple runs

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Speaker 5: with Tom, now back with Drake, and he's not going

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Speaker 5: to get a head coaching job. How many playoff games

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Speaker 5: that guy going to be in OC four? So there

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Speaker 5: coaching advantage with Mike and his understanding of what it

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Speaker 5: takes in these massive games. And when Sean said that,

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Speaker 5: it's like, listen, I'm all for going for it. I've

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Speaker 5: said forever the movement to go for it. Every human

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Speaker 5: screaming at the TV to go for it most of

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Speaker 5: the time. But that was like when you factored in

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Speaker 5: you would do the same when it comes. Hey, we

744
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Speaker 5: got the look we wanted on their offense and they

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Speaker 5: ran something different. That's the AFC, NFC. These are the

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Speaker 5: best of the best, and that's what makes me nervous.

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Speaker 5: So if it wasn't if this was just like a

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Speaker 5: that we didn't have as much like familiarity with. But

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Speaker 5: I that's what makes me hesitant to go all in

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Speaker 5: on Seattle because I think the coaching advantage, not that

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Speaker 5: the Seattles at a disadvantaged because their coaching is great too,

753
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Speaker 5: but how good, I mean variable from a game management

754
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Speaker 5: standpoint is a freaking genius. You know, I have Stucky

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Speaker 5: on every week and he was saying there was a

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Speaker 5: moment in that game where he subbed and had the

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Speaker 5: guy going slowly off the lad the clock. I mean

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Speaker 5: he knows the rule book. That was Bill's thing, right,

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Speaker 5: I know the rule book better than you. It's like,

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Speaker 5: what do we all look for in an account? The

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Speaker 5: guy that knows every single loopholes Bill, and that's now

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Speaker 5: Mike and then Josh is just extremely comfortable. That clip

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Speaker 5: of when Drake like looked at him like this is

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Speaker 5: really hard. You can tell me they're playing this blizzard

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Speaker 5: Dosh like, eh, this is supposed to be. How many

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Speaker 5: times is Josh down on one knee, sat there looking

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Speaker 5: at Tom in that same exact spot. That is a huge,

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Speaker 5: huge advantage because this team shouldn't be here based on

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Speaker 5: like It's kind of like the Commanders last year. I

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Speaker 5: But it's like, this is not your typical Super Bowl roster, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this Patriot team in theory is going to

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Speaker 5: be way better in a couple of years. But they

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Speaker 5: the combo of I know Vrabel technically doesn't call the defense,

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Speaker 5: but I would imagine during the week he's pretty heavily

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Speaker 5: think they I think he's a star, you know, just

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Speaker 5: like and I know the thing ended weird in Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Didn't have a quarterback, but I watched them with some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great redemption story on both sides.

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Speaker 1: With Darnold and the roadmap he's traveled to get to

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Speaker 5: It's just something that like it's I was looking at

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Speaker 5: Sean McVay. I saw Sean mcvag got extended. So he's

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Speaker 5: been in sixteen playoff games as a coach. Like, think,

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Speaker 5: how many Vrabel games now as a coach and a player,

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Speaker 5: and that's you know, at the bust On you know,

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Speaker 5: Taylor Luwance talked about this sport. His advantage when he

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Speaker 5: gets in front of the team is there is not

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Speaker 5: a human being in that room that he can't relate to.

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Speaker 5: The high paid guy, the practice squad guy, the guy

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Speaker 5: clawned to try to get all special teams. He's seen

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Speaker 5: it all and he's won at the highest level. It's

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Speaker 5: just he's a pretty probably a throwback, right a lot

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Speaker 5: of guys like Ditka and re you know that was

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Speaker 5: used to be a lot of the coaches, right, well,

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Speaker 5: I was born in the mid eighties, but like guys

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Speaker 5: that had played and then they just got into it

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Speaker 5: and they were really good players. And like big time

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Speaker 5: the Packers or the Cowboys. It happens less because these

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Speaker 5: guys make so much money now, but it shows you

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Speaker 5: the power that they have because the advantage they have

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Speaker 5: of just seeing it. Because if you're going to get

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Speaker 5: into coaching, it's not like, well Michael Jordan can't tell

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Speaker 5: you how to play. If you can become a football coach,

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Speaker 5: you have to be able to communicate like or else

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Speaker 5: you're just not going to do it long. So if

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Speaker 5: you get into it, you're gonna be good at it

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Speaker 5: in terms of communication. And then his knowledge is just

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Speaker 5: he's a stud. I mean, he's an easy guy to

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Speaker 5: enjoy watching.

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Speaker 2: He's a stud.

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Speaker 1: And yet we all think the Seahawks are gonna dominate

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Speaker 1: this game.

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Speaker 5: It would be pretty impressive though, if if they were

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Speaker 5: to win the game be like his Belichickian moment, wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like the key factors in this game

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Speaker 1: are Mike Rabel and Sam Darnold more than maybe Drake

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Speaker 1: May because what Mike Vrabel can do if Drake May

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Speaker 1: is healthy in the way he's going to manage this game,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to put them in the best

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Speaker 1: possible position to keep it close. So we'll see John

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Speaker 1: Middlecough three and Out watch it on Netflix, listen to

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Speaker 1: it on the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff, my friend. Thanks for joining us, see you guys,

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Speaker 2: take you all right.

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Speaker 1: We want to thank John Middlecoff from three and Out,

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Speaker 1: our volume brother, for coming on the show.

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Speaker 7: The biggest gap in sports is a difference between the

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Speaker 7: winner and the loser. The super Bowl. The winner your

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Speaker 7: world champion. They can never take it away from you.

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