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Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. Law President Joe Biden's one

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Speaker 1: point nine trillion dollar pandemic relief package. We're not going

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Speaker 1: calling it the COVID Response. We're talking right now about

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Speaker 1: jockeying amongst Republicans. Bloomberg Sound On, the insiders, the influencers,

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Speaker 1: the inside. Biden has promised again and again that he

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Speaker 1: to watch in terms of moderate defectors. The House has

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Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg Radio,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Jeanie Schanzano in today for Kevin Surrelli and

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Speaker 1: joining me as usual is Bloomberg contributor Rick Davis. And

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Speaker 1: later we're going to be talking to Representative Brian Style,

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Speaker 1: who represents Wisconsin's first congressional district. And as the first

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Speaker 1: full week of the Biden administration gets underway, the President

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Speaker 1: has been focused once again on the COVID pandemic and

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Speaker 1: also the economy. Specifically, this afternoon, he took a first

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Speaker 1: few steps in his campaign to build back better. He

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Speaker 1: So joining me today to talk about all of this

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Speaker 1: is Rick Davis Bloomberg contributor, partner at Stone Court Capital,

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Speaker 1: former campaign manager for John McCain's two thousand and eight

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Arizona these days, of course, and

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Speaker 1: also Roger Fisk, Democratic strategist, longtime president President Obama's aid

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jenny and uh. And it's exciting times because we

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. And I wanted to

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Speaker 1: energy jobs. There's lots of green energy jobs in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: There's companies that are involved in windmill production. That's true

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Speaker 1: across the country. That's good, that's positive. We should continue

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Speaker 1: that approach, But that doesn't mean that we should then

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Speaker 1: shut off our opportunities to make sure that we're taking

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Speaker 1: advantage of a North Americans supply of oil and gas

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Speaker 1: so that we can be less dependent on countries like

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Speaker 1: Russia or Venezuela or areas like the Middle East for

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Speaker 1: our energy supply. And so I think there is some

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Speaker 1: middle ground here, But we need to have that adult

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Speaker 1: conversation about what cutting off this type of infrastructure investment

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Speaker 1: in the United States means and what signal it's sending

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Speaker 1: to the markets long term. As other companies are coming

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Speaker 1: to the table and considering significant private sector infrastructure investments,

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Speaker 1: this is sending shivers down the spines of other companies

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Speaker 1: looking to put workers to work. Congress, when you make

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Speaker 1: a really good point, everybody has been talking for years

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Speaker 1: about infrastructure. This is what we need a job's bill.

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Speaker 1: We need infrastructure you know, the country needs is crumbling,

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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, transport of hydrocarbons that you talk about,

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Speaker 1: our roads and bridges, um but we don't ever seem

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Speaker 1: to get off on it, um um. And And in

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Speaker 1: your district obviously have people involved in the pipeline business.

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Speaker 1: They're directly impacted when those permits are pulled. But everybody's

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Speaker 1: district has somebody who would be positively affected. If we

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Speaker 1: could actually get a jobs bill through Congress and a

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Speaker 1: signed by a president that actually unleashes the might of

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Speaker 1: the private sector and the public sector working together on infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: What's it going to take to get that done this year?

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Speaker 1: I mean moving beyond just a Keystone pipeline and thinking

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Speaker 1: positively about Everyone seems to want it, Democrats and Republicans alike,

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Speaker 1: but what's it going to take to actually do it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody seems to agree on one of the two sides

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Speaker 1: of the ledger. So on the side of the ledger

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Speaker 1: that we need to make significant investments in US infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: I think they're broad bipartisan agreement. Is you get to

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Speaker 1: the other side of the ledger, how do you pay

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Speaker 1: for it? That's where things fall apart, and that's where

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Speaker 1: I don't think the American people have had an open

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Speaker 1: on his conversation with their electric officials is to what

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Speaker 1: are the real options on the table? Obviously one of

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Speaker 1: them private sector investment, not building the taxpayer or anything

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Speaker 1: significant investment like the Keystone pipeline, other opportunity of these,

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Speaker 1: or to cut spending elsewhere, to look for efficiencies as

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Speaker 1: to how we deliver government services. And on the other

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Speaker 1: side you have people advocating tax increases, whether or not

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Speaker 1: that's corporations or individuals. But we need to have the

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Speaker 1: adult conversation of where are the funds going to come

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Speaker 1: from to pay for this type of investment, And that's

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Speaker 1: where I come out and say, when you have private

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Speaker 1: sector infrastructure investment on the table ready to go, job's ready,

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Speaker 1: it's a terrible decision to pull the rug out from

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Speaker 1: underneath those types of jobs on day one of an administration.

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Speaker 1: And let me just refocus the attention a little bit

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Speaker 1: on the COVID relief bill if we can, can you

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Speaker 1: and your colleagues get behind this one point nine trillion

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Speaker 1: dollar package that the Biden administration has proposed, and if not,

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Speaker 1: what areas would you like to see stripped out of

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Speaker 1: that or changed if you will. That's a big price

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Speaker 1: tag that the Biden administration is put on the table

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Speaker 1: out of the gates. I think what we're going to

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Speaker 1: need to do is look and say, how can we

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Speaker 1: tailor that to help people who have been negatively impacted

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Speaker 1: through coronavirus through no fault or their own without providing

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Speaker 1: broad breaststrokes of relief that just burden taxpayers in the

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Speaker 1: long run. So how do we target this to those

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Speaker 1: people who have been impacted? Thinking your restaurants, you're maybe

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Speaker 1: your waitress or your cook, to make sure that those

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Speaker 1: jobs are there when we come out on the other

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Speaker 1: side of coronavirus when we defeat it, which we ultimately will,

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Speaker 1: but not provide a windfall for those individuals who have

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Speaker 1: not been economically impacted in the same manner. Tightly tailoring

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Speaker 1: this is what's going to be critical. The other areas

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Speaker 1: I think there is going to be broad agreement on

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Speaker 1: is accelerating the development and deployment of the vaccine, so

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Speaker 1: as we look at the health side of this, making

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Speaker 1: sure our nurses and doctors have the resources they need,

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Speaker 1: making sure we're rolling out the vaccine as fast as possible.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that there's going to be broad bipartisan

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Speaker 1: support for those funds when they're called for. Congressmen. You

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Speaker 1: really it heartens, having grown up in the Reagan Revolution

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Speaker 1: of smaller government, fewer deficits, um to hear a Republican

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Speaker 1: actually worried about deficits and spending. Again, kudos to you,

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Speaker 1: But that being said, I mean, we just came out

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Speaker 1: of an administration that that arguably probably added to that

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Speaker 1: deficit more than any other single present history, and not

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Speaker 1: not only because of COVID. And so the question I

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Speaker 1: would have is COVID spending bill, infrastructure we're just talking about.

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Speaker 1: Janet Yelling goes to the Hill. Former Federal Reserve Charon says,

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Speaker 1: we need to go big. Is there appetite on the

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Speaker 1: Republican side these days in the House to go big

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Speaker 1: and spend some money. I think there's less of an appetite.

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Speaker 1: I think it was critical early on during the COVID.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you think back to that March and

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Speaker 1: April period where we had government entities doing aggressive closures

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Speaker 1: of large segments or economy to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: flooded the market with liquidity, that we made sure individuals

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Speaker 1: had the resources so they if they could pay their

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Speaker 1: grocery bill, their rent, and their mortgage, and in the

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Speaker 1: speed that was required to do that last spring required

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Speaker 1: this flood of of investment into the United States. Now

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Speaker 1: we're getting towards knock on Wood, coming closer to the

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Speaker 1: tail end of the coronavirus as the vaccine becomes more available,

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Speaker 1: as we learn more about the disease. What we now

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Speaker 1: need to be thoughtful of is making sure that we're

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Speaker 1: tailoring this to those individuals who are impacted, but getting

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Speaker 1: ourselves back on a long term fiscal trajectory where we

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Speaker 1: can ultimately get ourselves back in a way where we're

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Speaker 1: not continuing to go further and further down this path

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Speaker 1: towards debt representatives. So we keep hearing about this division

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Speaker 1: in the Republican Party and concern as we await the

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Speaker 1: article of impeachment to be delivered to the Senate that

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Speaker 1: President Trump has divided the party. As a up and

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Speaker 1: coming leader of this party, what do you see as

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Speaker 1: the future of the Republican Party? God willing we beyond

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Speaker 1: this COVID pandemic? Where do you see the party hanging

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Speaker 1: at this point? I'm a big tent republic and I

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Speaker 1: think President Trump brought a lot to the table and

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Speaker 1: it was a terrific advocate for lowering taxes, lowering regulatory burdens.

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Speaker 1: What I think we need to do is come together

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Speaker 1: in the in the huddle and the Republican side and

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Speaker 1: put forward plans that addressed the big issues in the day.

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Speaker 1: We need to lay out how we're going to get

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Speaker 1: workers back to work, things like the Keystone pipeline, private

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Speaker 1: sector investments. We need to talk about how we're going

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Speaker 1: to keep America healthy, how we're going to make sure

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Speaker 1: that individuals are able to make healthcare decisions with their doctors,

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Speaker 1: how we're going to defeat the coronavirus. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to put forward our policies on how we're going to

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Speaker 1: keep our community safe, how we're going to keep our

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Speaker 1: country safe, and lay forward those conservative cornerstone policies. Come

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Speaker 1: out of this huddle as a team and work to

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Speaker 1: advance the ball. This in fighting that occurs inside the

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Speaker 1: huddle is not productive for the party, is not productive

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Speaker 1: for the conservative movement, and it's not productive for the

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Speaker 1: American people and representative. I noticed here using a lot

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Speaker 1: of football language there, So I'd be remiss if I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask you how you are holding up? And I

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Speaker 1: will tell you my sons are big Patriots fans who

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Speaker 1: are not no longer fans of Tom Brady. So I

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Speaker 1: had a similar sort of night as you may have,

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Speaker 1: just probably not as bad. But how are you holding up? Man?

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster of a Packer game yesterday. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you that's probably why I'm using all my football

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Speaker 1: analogies today. But watching the Packers not go for the

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Speaker 1: touchdown with two minutes left with the ball with one

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Speaker 1: of the best red zone offenses in the league just

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Speaker 1: breaks your heart and you wish you could have that

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Speaker 1: play call back and you could go for the touchdown

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Speaker 1: on fourth and goal. There's always next year, Congressman. There's

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Speaker 1: always next year for the Packers, That's right. And so Congressman,

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Speaker 1: we want to thank you so much and let you

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Speaker 1: go more in a little bit more. I know it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a rough year until you wait for them

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Speaker 1: to come back, but it was really delightful to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you so much. And we still have

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Roger fist can. We are looking forward

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Speaker 1: to talking to them more about some of what Representative

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Speaker 1: Style had to say about what we can expect for

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Speaker 1: the future of the party. Particularly, I'm interested to hear

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Speaker 1: what they have to say about what happened in Arizona

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, and and Rick is an expert in

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Speaker 1: all things Arizona. And then of course about Rob Portman's

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Speaker 1: decision not to run for re election and what that

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Speaker 1: says about the future of the party. Um, so do

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Speaker 1: we Christine, do we have Roger still here? Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. So, Roger, Roger, I couldn't hear you for minutes,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to make sure, but let me just

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Speaker 1: ask you. Um, we heard the representative talking a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the future of the party post COVID. What

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Speaker 1: was your take on the decision of Portman not to

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Speaker 1: run and what this means for the party going forward

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Speaker 1: and understanding that you are not a Republican but as

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Speaker 1: you view it from your your vantage point. Yeah, Roger

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Speaker 1: go first. Thanks. I thought, if my memory serves me,

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Speaker 1: and and Rick can probably tell me, I believe he

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Speaker 1: was a Member of Commerce before he was also the

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Speaker 1: US Trade rep and now he's been in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Mr Portman has given plenty of

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Speaker 1: his time and energy to this country and he deserves sometime,

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Speaker 1: probably with his grandkids. I'm going to assume I wish

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Speaker 1: he had held the center a little bit more. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone on both sides always vilifies the center, and it

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Speaker 1: gets back to some of that that's a primary and

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Speaker 1: kind of issue that we touched on earlier. But it's

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Speaker 1: really the center that to find, you know, the trajectory

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Speaker 1: of America, because ultimately, our civic life is driven by

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Speaker 1: folks roughly between the forty eye lines. To build on

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Speaker 1: your on your conversation about football towards the end of

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Speaker 1: your room Um interview with the representatives, I wish I

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Speaker 1: and and and and also used UH Senator Portman to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the representatives comment, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen people, you know, kind of so willingly

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Speaker 1: surrender the pillars of their brands as quickly as the

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Speaker 1: GOP did in the last four years. Because now it's

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Speaker 1: lovely to hear folks make noise about fiscal discipline. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming at some point we're even going to hear about

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Speaker 1: character and family values or something, but those have been

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Speaker 1: completely surrendered over the last few years. So I would

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Speaker 1: much rather, you know, deal with the traditional labor liberal

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Speaker 1: fratricidal dynamic that we have on our side of the

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Speaker 1: aisle then the than the folks on the Republican side,

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Speaker 1: because figuring this stuff out and trying to keep those

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Speaker 1: maga folks under the tent and rolling in the same

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Speaker 1: direction and stuff, I wouldn't want to be in charge

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Speaker 1: of that. Roger, you missed the one most important aspect

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Speaker 1: of Rob porter and this is the quiz question that

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Speaker 1: you can never fail again. He was serving as the

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Speaker 1: stand in for Barack Obama and John McCain's debate prep,

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Speaker 1: so we learned everything we needed to know about those

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Speaker 1: debates by Rob Portman and no one can argue the

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Speaker 1: physical resemblance and nobody could argue. You know, look, Rob,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is what I was trying to sess

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Speaker 1: out from congressman style. I mean, like it's one thing

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Speaker 1: to be a fiscal conservative a hawk. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: spending issues are important for both parties, right, and and

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Speaker 1: yet um, we've seen just profligate spending, uh for going

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Speaker 1: all the way back to to George W. Bush's administration. Right,

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Speaker 1: nobody has pumped the brakes on spending for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, I think it probably noos

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Speaker 1: on that issue with a lot of voters, a lot

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Speaker 1: So um, kudos to him to try and get back

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Speaker 1: in the game. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you hear people like Janet Yellen, who's

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Speaker 1: you know, wait a minute, I mean, where are we

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Speaker 1: going to find the money for that? Well, it's the

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Speaker 1: same place we've been finding the money for the last

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Speaker 1: two decades, you know, uh. And and so is there

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Speaker 1: no more important time for the economy to create jobs

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Speaker 1: and ronment on a global basis in history. And so

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Speaker 1: I really I question whether or not a year from now,

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Speaker 1: when he's running for re election, somebody isn't saying heait

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Speaker 1: a minute fiscal conservatism in the middle of the worst

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Speaker 1: uh jobs environment we've ever had. Um, what were you thinking? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean the real question is are we closer to

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Speaker 1: the beginning than we are to the end? Right? And

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Speaker 1: he actually referenced this, And that's really when my ears

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Speaker 1: perked up. You know. For example, just because the economy

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Speaker 1: quote unquote opens, like I have, I have some neighbors.

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Speaker 1: They have two young girls, Sylvie and Maria. Just because

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Speaker 1: maybe the movie theaters open or a mall opens, that's

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Speaker 1: not to say that consumers are going to have the

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Speaker 1: confidence to walk through those doors. Right. It's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be like a light switch where we just kind of

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Speaker 1: open back up for business. Look at commercial real estate,

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Speaker 1: for example, look at traveling, tourism. Those things. For the

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Speaker 1: time that it's going to take for this water to

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Speaker 1: work its way through the hose is going to be

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Speaker 1: a couple of years. And so when the when, the

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Speaker 1: when the when the representative talked about this is that

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Speaker 1: it's going to just kind of be binary, like we're

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Speaker 1: closed and then on you know, two weeks from Monday,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be open. I really don't think that

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Speaker 1: works because ultimately, and the folks at Bloomberg, no, that's

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Speaker 1: much better than me. The market and economic behavior ultimately

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Speaker 1: is psychological, right, and unless people feel comfortable going out

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Speaker 1: and taking their daughters out into that movie theater or something,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's open or not. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and Roger, this raises something that has been discussed in

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Speaker 1: the last several weeks and months, has been this sort

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Speaker 1: of arbitrary deadlines that that keep getting put on these

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Speaker 1: bills going through and into and through Congress in regard

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Speaker 1: to relief, and whether in fact we should be making

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Speaker 1: those decisions not based on arbitrary deadlines, but in terms

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Speaker 1: of how people are doing and are they, as you said,

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Speaker 1: prepared to go out in going to contribute to the economy.

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Speaker 1: Can they get back to work? Rick, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you, given your expertise and all things Arizona, to

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Speaker 1: share with me and and everybody a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what happened there this weekend and what that means for

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Speaker 1: the future of the Republican Party. Of course, in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: we've seen them move towards the Democratic side, and yet

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Speaker 1: you have the party making these decisions over the weekend. Genie,

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Speaker 1: you've you've actually hosted a really good show for this

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Speaker 1: topic because when you look at uh Congressman styles district,

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Speaker 1: he represents the first district of Wisconsin, same district that

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan ran from. Couldn't find two more different legislators

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Speaker 1: from the same district. Uh. And then you just talked

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Speaker 1: about Rob Portman retiring because of partisan gridlock, right, And

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Speaker 1: he's not doing it because he wants to retire. He's

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Speaker 1: doing it because he can't get anything done. Who are

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Speaker 1: the likely successors within the Republican Party? Uh? Not somebody

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Speaker 1: looks like Rob Portman, but Jim Jordan's probably Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: biggest supporter in the House of Representatives. And so you

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Speaker 1: then dial that all the way to Arizona and you

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Speaker 1: see in the front pay age of every newspaper this

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Speaker 1: weekend Republican on Republican crime, right, I mean, the state

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Speaker 1: party headed by a Trump loyalist who's lost two out

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Speaker 1: any ability to win elections. Um. Uh came after uh

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Speaker 1: the Cinney McCain, the wife of UH John McCain, and

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Speaker 1: Doug Doocey, the popular Republican government won by fifteen percent

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Speaker 1: the last time he got re elected two years ago.

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Speaker 1: And and Jeff Flake, who retired from Congress primarily the

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Speaker 1: same reason Rob Portman did because he was tired of

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Speaker 1: the infighting, and and and and they got censured by

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Speaker 1: the party for their bad conduct. Yet these are the

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Speaker 1: three families that represent all the statewide Republican victories in

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Speaker 1: the last six years. And UH, so you really wonder, UM,

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Speaker 1: when aren't we going to see this come out and

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Speaker 1: open warfare. It's there now. And each of the Republicans

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Speaker 1: that got censured basically said that the Republican Party in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: UH doesn't affect them one way or another. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think I mentioned to you offline that the Cindy

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Speaker 1: McCain tweet was was a classic one in my book.

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Speaker 1: But I want to just mention UM that coming over

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Speaker 1: the Bloomberg right now. The Senate has voted to confirm

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Speaker 1: Janet Yellen as the US Treasury Secretary. And we should

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Speaker 1: note that she is the first female to hold this

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Speaker 1: position in US history. So Janet Yellen has become the

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Speaker 1: first woman to head the U. S Treasury. Um. It's

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Speaker 1: a historic appointment, UM, for those reasons, and she is

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Speaker 1: getting to work as President Biden was talking about earlier

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Speaker 1: today on his Build Back Better pledge. But just to

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Speaker 1: go back briefly, and I know we only have a

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Speaker 1: few minutes left with you, um, Roger, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you, UM, as you look at what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, can you reflect a little bit on

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the Democratic Party, Because while there

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Speaker 1: is not the sort of you know, Republican and Republican

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Speaker 1: crimes war that that Rick is talking about, necessarily, there

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Speaker 1: is some tension there and we're hearing some of it

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Speaker 1: from the progressives who have voiced some concern even about

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Speaker 1: the COVID relief bill that the President has put forward.

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Speaker 1: How much of this do you think is going to

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Speaker 1: be a challenge for Biden. It's just it's a standard dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the that's the tension that you have

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Speaker 1: I I just I have to say something about Arizona

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Speaker 1: because I think the the ugliness of what happened there

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Speaker 1: for what it's doing to our civic life. We when

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Speaker 1: we look at how the last couple of weeks have unfolded,

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Speaker 1: minor change in circumstances could have us in a much

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Speaker 1: different situation. Imagine if Dr Kelly Ward, that tribal leader

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Speaker 1: who we're talking about here in Arizona. Imagine if she

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Speaker 1: President Trump called her and said, I need you to

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Speaker 1: find these eleven thousand seven votes. Does anyone doubt that

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Speaker 1: find those votes. And I'll end here on this particular

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Speaker 1: point because this we've touched on biparsanship here and this,

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Speaker 1: it's a story I was told. I grew up working

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Speaker 1: for John Terry and when he worked on the subcommittee

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Speaker 1: on PO W M I as with John McCain, they

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Speaker 1: went on multiple fact finding submissions to Vietnam. As I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Rick knows, when John McCain went to the Hanoi

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Speaker 1: Hilton and went back into his old cell, there was

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Speaker 1: John Terry and John mccains sat in John McCain's cell

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Speaker 1: where he spent five of his six and a half years,

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Speaker 1: and they sat in there in silence for half an hour.

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Speaker 1: That's who John McCain was inviting, a veteran and someone

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Speaker 1: John Kerry was in the streets trying to bring it

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Speaker 1: and real love for America and treat them in such

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Speaker 1: a pornographic fashion and still be treated as a responsible

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Speaker 1: member of society, says something the samatory about all of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and I know Rick, this is something that's close

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Speaker 1: to Rick's heart as well. And as we're wrapping up here, Rick,

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Speaker 1: to to respond because I know that that it does

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Speaker 1: bring chills to me as well. Roger. Yeah, we're really

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Speaker 1: well said Roger, and uh and really too. Great Americans

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Speaker 1: who were lines in the Senate um. Those those days

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Speaker 1: are gone, but I think there will be a fight

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Speaker 1: and we'll see where that goes. I would say kudos

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Speaker 1: to the confirmation of Janet Yellen. It'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how long it'll take before we have Harriet Tobman

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Speaker 1: on the twenty dollar bill. That's right, and I want

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Speaker 1: to think so much. Bloomberg contributor Rick Davis and Roger Fisk,

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Speaker 1: democratic strategist and a principle of New Day strategy. And again,

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Speaker 1: American history. This is Bloomberg