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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to Tuesday's a big blue kick off line

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He has pauled the Tino

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Speaker 1: on lands been all good to be with you for

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Speaker 1: the next sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three.

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Speaker 1: That is the telephone number. Will also check out your

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Speaker 1: tweets hashtag Giants Chat. Odell Beckham Jr. Was named to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network Top one hundreds, so we'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: Will also start to set the stage for Rookie Minicamp,

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Speaker 1: which gets underway on Friday. Let's start off the top

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Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham the second Giant because Landon Collins was

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Speaker 1: already unveiled as part of the Top one hundreds, so

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham comes in at number seventy seven. Now, everybody

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Speaker 1: loves to what I like to say, overreact to rankings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there's one thing I probably least care about,

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Speaker 1: it's rankings in general. And it doesn't matter whether it's

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network Top one hundred, any rankings not necessarily

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Speaker 1: invested in it, don't care too much. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's important to note, Paul, this is the survey of

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Speaker 1: the players. Number one. The players strictly vote on that Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's one thing. And second factor is when they tell

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Speaker 1: them to vote, they vote in December, and they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to use the two thousand seventeen season as the main judge.

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Speaker 1: And Odell Beckham played four plus games last year. That's it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: he was done by week five, so it's surprising that

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Speaker 1: break things down, you could certainly make that argument. I

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Speaker 1: think that if if I were running the survey, and

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Speaker 1: I would probably tell the players that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: guys have to play a minimum number of games. You

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Speaker 1: want to put ten, you want to pick twelve? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, where do you put J. J. Watt? I

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Speaker 1: mean he's another one, whit where do you put him?

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Speaker 1: We all know what a great player he is, we

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Speaker 1: all know how great Oldell Beckham Jr. Is. But where

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Speaker 1: do you put those guys when they have missed the

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Speaker 1: bulk of the season. Because as I understand it, what

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Speaker 1: the players are instructed to do is say, use the

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Speaker 1: current season that you're playing in as a guide as

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Speaker 1: to who your top one hundred players will be Opening

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Speaker 1: day coming up next year, well, based on what Beckham

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. That we saw the first three years

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Speaker 1: of his career. He's a top ten player, I mean

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Speaker 1: by by anybody stretching him in terms of career. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you know, but but you can't do that based on

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Speaker 1: the instruction that the players are given. So they put

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Speaker 1: him in number seventy seven, and Lennon Collins was ninety two.

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Speaker 1: By the way, other guys on the Giants who I

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Speaker 1: Gener's Jenkins when things are right. He's certainly a top

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Speaker 1: those guys certainly would would warrant consideration. Um, but hey,

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Speaker 1: credits to. Well, again, the numbers proved out he was

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Speaker 1: agree with you, Paul one percent. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: they should be disqualified, automatically eligible. Don't allow the players

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Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why it's the quicksand and mediocrity.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, um you know, I get

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Speaker 1: we can say this every single season. Injuries always impact

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Speaker 1: when superstars get knocked to the sideline. Now, on the

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Speaker 1: which is why depth is a key for Dave Ghettoman

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Speaker 1: And that's why not only do we see now more

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Speaker 1: thirteenth guy on the NFL rosters playing a lot more

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Speaker 1: than the thirteenth guy in the NBA. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: probably not, But I think you could also make a

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Speaker 1: case of the NFL while playing time maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit closer together. I think most would say what the

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Speaker 1: quarterback does for the team is far more important than

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Speaker 1: what the long snapper is doing. On top of maybe

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Speaker 1: some of the special the long snappers taking a head

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Speaker 1: of a beating. Even if he's out there six times

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Speaker 1: every Sunday, he is taking a pound me he is,

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Speaker 1: But like you just said, only a few times out

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Speaker 1: there on Sunday. And think about how many plays the

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Speaker 1: quarterback is involved in, so you know those he might

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Speaker 1: actually be taking more hits than the quarterback if you

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Speaker 1: got a good offense of mine. I think you're taking

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Speaker 1: into a very technical degree and I and I get

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Speaker 1: what we're going with it. But I still think that

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Speaker 1: there is a way to designate value on NFL rosters

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Speaker 1: because of what those players provide. But but here's what

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Speaker 1: I will say, Paul. You look at Matt Ryan, you

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Speaker 1: look at Cam These are guys who have been making

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Speaker 1: well over twenty million over the last few years. Their

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Speaker 1: teams that have been making the playoffs. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: were to show me that every team that has paid

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Speaker 1: their quarterback over twenty million dollars and has failed to

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Speaker 1: make the playoff us, then I would understand. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: there's something more to see here. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: the guys that have been making the big money, they're

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Speaker 1: helping their teams get to the playoffs. It's not as

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Speaker 1: if there's an immense drop off there where. The more

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Speaker 1: money you give to the quarterback, the less like you

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Speaker 1: you are to actually have success. Plus, it shows you

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Speaker 1: the importance of the draft. It didn't work out this

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Speaker 1: way because the NFL was extremely fortunate that both the

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Speaker 1: Eagles and the Vikings lost their starting quarterback and yet

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Speaker 1: they were able to go far into the postseason and

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Speaker 1: the Eagles won the championship. However, asked the Green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers how great they felt about giving Aaron Rodgers all

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Speaker 1: that money and then watch their season get flushed down

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Speaker 1: the toilet because of one injury. Well, you're right, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work out for every teams, but horrible No, But

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Speaker 1: but that's horrible difference between the Vikings and the Eagles

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Speaker 1: versus the Packers. Is how much of an emphasis they

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Speaker 1: placed on the backup quarterback. Though. That's the biggest difference

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Speaker 1: what you just laid out. For example, Yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback is making so much money, he's eaten up

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Speaker 1: so much of the cap in Green Bay that they

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Speaker 1: can't do that. In Philadelphia. Carson Wentz is making on

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Speaker 1: a rookie contract, right, so they could have four But

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Speaker 1: sad Sam Bradford was not making pennies though, not pennies, no,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't making pennies where listen, they weren't bringing

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Speaker 1: in case Keenom for two dollars, you know. I remember,

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Speaker 1: for example, there was a year where the Cowboys they

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Speaker 1: had Tony Romo still and obviously because of his injury history,

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Speaker 1: and they brought in Kyle Orton as the backup quarterback. Well,

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Speaker 1: they were paying him like seven million dollars. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of money for a backup quarterback. Even Nick Foles

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Speaker 1: got about five millions. That's a lot of money for

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. So those teams that I understand, Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz was on a rookie contract. I completely agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford, though, was making decent starters money. And then

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Speaker 1: you bring in another veteran in case Keenom, it depends

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Speaker 1: on just how much you value the backup quarterback but

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Speaker 1: him and they brought in Derek Anderson. But the music

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Speaker 1: you spend on your starter, the more at risk you

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Speaker 1: are of having your season wiped out when he gets

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Speaker 1: because you don't have the luxury of spending more money

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Speaker 1: on your backup. That's the problem. And look and and art.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to one of my my personnel gurus

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Speaker 1: last week, and I said to him, do you remember

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Speaker 1: back in the seventies and eighties, when every team had

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Speaker 1: three quality quarterbacks on the roster. You had your starter,

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Speaker 1: your backup was pretty done good, and even your number

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Speaker 1: three could play in the league. Now, forget about it.

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Speaker 1: The number two's in this in this league terrible. It's

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Speaker 1: hard enough to find the number we got it. We

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Speaker 1: got number ones in this league who should not be starters.

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Speaker 1: How is that good for the NFL? It's not. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's also a reflection of the college game,

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Speaker 1: though I don't think you're taking that into consideration. It

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Speaker 1: turns out the style of play in college they developed.

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Speaker 1: But then again, double doesn't care about what the NFL

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Speaker 1: coaches need they don't. Yeah, the n c double A

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Speaker 1: coaches care about getting their winds. They're not so much

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Speaker 1: concerned about developing guys for the NFL. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: you can't develop the guys for the NFL like you

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Speaker 1: wanted to because the CBA destroyed your ability to do it,

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Speaker 1: which is why the dynamics of things have drastically changed.

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Speaker 1: To your point, from when you did have three quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: on the depth chart that could all perform. Because think

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Speaker 1: about what the development occurring on the collegiate level. Think

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Speaker 1: about how much different that was in the seventies and

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Speaker 1: the eighties versus what we're seeing today. I mean, case

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Speaker 1: in point, the Giants. Let's bring it back to what

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Speaker 1: we were talking about here with the Giants, Jeff Hosteddler

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Speaker 1: is the perfect example. Okay, but Hostetler also was a

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Speaker 1: versatile player who was a wide receiver who was willing

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Speaker 1: to do anything he could to get on the football field. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you, Paul, you you experienced it, okay.

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Speaker 1: Whereas in today's game, I highly touch you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the third string quarterbacks, say, coach put me in as

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver because I'm just itching to get on

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Speaker 1: the field or experience. I have a experience at the

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Speaker 1: college Jubble to have been a wide receiver. So that's

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Speaker 1: what I said. The dynamics are very different. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to compare the error Ray Lucas, who else well obviously

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Speaker 1: Slash Cordell Stewart Webb for the vikings, Joe Webbe. That

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Speaker 1: would be another one. Was he was? He was another one?

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Speaker 1: Very few of us? Yeah, I mean very few of

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Speaker 1: one hand I unders calculate that. Anyway, we got calls

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Speaker 1: correct style us up so we don't have to keep

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Speaker 1: talking about it. Matt, now now you want to shy

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Speaker 1: away from the conversation. Is another one? By the way,

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Speaker 1: Yes he gives me a headache. I know it does.

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Speaker 1: But I like him in your headache, So yes, I

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Speaker 1: know you do. Two one four or five one three

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Speaker 1: is the telephone number hashtag giants chat. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: head back to the lines. Ducas in Queen's Duke, what

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Speaker 1: do you have for us? Hello, Duke, don't be shy,

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Speaker 1: Duke going once, Duke going twice? Hello, Duke man very

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Speaker 1: a few words? Apparently, Yes, Hello, we heard a hello?

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Speaker 1: Is that YouTube? He's gone? No? Okay, how about Mike

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Speaker 1: in Boston. We'll try him. Hello, Mike, are you all right?

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Speaker 1: How are you sir? I'm gonna take you off speaker

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Speaker 1: real quick. Okay, we appreciate that, all right. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to weigh in on the salary cap the conversation happy

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Speaker 1: as well. I just wanted to, like you said, Um,

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Speaker 1: I wrote, there's a couple of sides to dog. I've

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Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to both of your points. What I had

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Speaker 1: in mind, what I would love to see is it's

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Speaker 1: frustrating when you have a general generational player on the

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Speaker 1: team and you bring them up. Let's say in the draft,

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Speaker 1: take the Giants, for instance, with Odell Beckham. Now we

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Speaker 1: have landed talents. He's gonna need to get paid next year. Two.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, say Kwan Barkley plans out. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: draft players and retain them when you have when you

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Speaker 1: nail it so many times in the draft, so you

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Speaker 1: have to keep turning it over. Yeah, I wish that

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Speaker 1: there was a generational player clause where you can take

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Speaker 1: one or two players where if there's been on the

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Speaker 1: team for five years, whether you've you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: drafting or whatever. Um, let's say some wide receiver, or

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Speaker 1: let's say it's a quarterback, there's a fair market value

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Speaker 1: or an apple, let's say around the league, and you

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Speaker 1: could pay them an excess of it, but your salary

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Speaker 1: caps is only what the market value is or you know. See,

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Speaker 1: that's what they tried to do with the franchise tag

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Speaker 1: and the transition tag. They're trying to give the teams

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to hold on to a guy and still

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Speaker 1: give fair market value to the player. That's what the

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Speaker 1: whole tag system is about. But here's another thing. And

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought you were gonna go this way,

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Speaker 1: and then you you kind of curved it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, go to the NBA

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Speaker 1: bird rights and say, okay, can each team, because there's

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Speaker 1: fifty three players on a team, how about given each

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Speaker 1: team three exclusions because there were so many players on

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Speaker 1: a team, three exclusions to the salary cap to where

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Speaker 1: you can pay the guy above and beyond the cap numbers.

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Speaker 1: But that gets sticky now because then the players unit

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Speaker 1: it's gonna say, well, you're restricting his his free market,

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Speaker 1: you know, by by saying that you can give him

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Speaker 1: more money. That's all well and good. He's getting more money,

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Speaker 1: but you're still restricting freedom of movement and we don't

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Speaker 1: like that. That's that's the way the players Union is

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Speaker 1: gonna moan about it, and they'll never agree to it.

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Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right that would enhance the ability for

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Speaker 1: teams to maintain their core, thus enhance the quality of

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Speaker 1: the overall game. I'm on board with you philosophically, I

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Speaker 1: also don't believe it's realistic, right, and with you had

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Speaker 1: what I would say, what I would add to it

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Speaker 1: is this, so if the player would have to be

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Speaker 1: on board with it, so you wouldn't be let's say,

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Speaker 1: flapping him with the tad. So let's say a player wants,

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Speaker 1: let's say, wants to get paid, and John Manage just

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Speaker 1: feeling so generous he wants to give him thirty million.

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Speaker 1: But the average wide receiver or the top five paid

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Speaker 1: or whatever, let's say this somewhere in the high teams,

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Speaker 1: that's what what the cap it would be if he

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Speaker 1: gave him. You know, however long lesa three or four

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Speaker 1: year contract um. And then on the other side of

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Speaker 1: the too would be um, yeah, you're you're basically excluding

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Speaker 1: them from the salary camp. But take a guy. Let's

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Speaker 1: say the Giants were to sign Andrew Norwell back several

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Speaker 1: months ago when we when they were targeting him and

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Speaker 1: he aged, you know he was going to become well

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Speaker 1: he I think he did become the highest paid guard.

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Speaker 1: So you take a guy like him, so he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been on the team, you're picking him up in free agency.

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Speaker 1: What I would say at that point is that you

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Speaker 1: can if you're basing it on a player having been

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Speaker 1: on the team five years, you know what you're trying

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Speaker 1: to do is take players that have been groomed, whether

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Speaker 1: they've been drafted or brought up on the team. What

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Speaker 1: I would say is you pay them what you want,

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Speaker 1: but that contract is going to be pro rated. So

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Speaker 1: let's say let's say let's say the market values fifteen

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Speaker 1: million and you're paying a guy twenty. Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: difference of five millions. Well the first year, take then four,

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Speaker 1: and then by the time you get to five years,

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Speaker 1: you're only getting hit on what the average for that

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Speaker 1: position would be. And you're retaining the plan. Because now

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Speaker 1: if I'm the Texans, I'm keeping J. J. Watt and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pay him what I want. So you might.

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Speaker 1: I can't afford to do that, so you what you

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Speaker 1: want to what you want to do is kind of

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Speaker 1: take a page out of the one year veteran veteran

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Speaker 1: deal where they have the salary cap exception, whereby you

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Speaker 1: pay a veteran, you pay a ten year veteran like

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Speaker 1: one point two mill, but it's only a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: It only counts seven against the cap. You want you

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Speaker 1: want to cap discount is what you want for certain players. Well,

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Speaker 1: because Mike, what what your concept is? I mean we

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Speaker 1: were talking about the franchise tag. The franchise tag really

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Speaker 1: sets the market for all of those top players. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, based on what you're describing, Mike, if you

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Speaker 1: were to say that a wide receiver franchise tag is

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Speaker 1: fifteen million, and you want to give Odell Beckham twenty

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Speaker 1: mill in a year, the cap pit should only be

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Speaker 1: based on the fifteen million franchise and the Giants can

647
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Speaker 1: still reward him with an additional five million. Now that

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Speaker 1: the dangerous part to this, well, the dangerous part to this,

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Speaker 1: and now let you finish. The dangerous part to this

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Speaker 1: is every team tries to find structures with signing bonuses

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00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: roster bonuses, incentives, reporting bonuses. They're constantly trying to find

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00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: different ways to maneuver the numbers to avoid cap charges. So, now,

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Speaker 1: how sticky does it get when you start trying to

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Speaker 1: compute a number and say I want to give a

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Speaker 1: team a cap discount on a guy's contract. Well, now

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Speaker 1: what numbers are you gonna use? Are you gonna use

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Speaker 1: his base that you're gonna use pro rated signing bonus

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00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: over the course of each of each year, And it

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Speaker 1: gets very, very very sticky. I'm not saying you don't

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00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: have a good philosophical point, because I like your philosophical point.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if there's any way to make

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Speaker 1: it happen. Well, I like the Larry Bird rule in

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Speaker 1: the n b A I think I mean three maybe

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Speaker 1: pushing it. If they basically gave every NFL team the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to sign one of their own players. It can't

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00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: be a free agent as somebody. I agree with that,

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Speaker 1: and you tell them you can go above the cap

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Speaker 1: to retain this player. I think that would be a

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00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: fine rule. It exists in the NBA. It has not

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Speaker 1: killed the NBA, and I don't see why they can't

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Speaker 1: adopt that. I love it. I just don't think the

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Speaker 1: players Union is gonna let you do it. Well, see

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Speaker 1: the other The other difference is, and I will let

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Speaker 1: you continue, Mike. The other difference is in the NBA. Remember,

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Speaker 1: on top of the Larry Bird rule, they also have

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Speaker 1: sets on max contracts in terms of the level the

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00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: most money you could give a player based on X

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Speaker 1: amount of years they've been in the league. In the NFL,

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Speaker 1: the reason why it's hard to do that, keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: is because you give a player a contract but then

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00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: only a segment of it is guaranteed. In the NBA,

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Speaker 1: it's all guaranteed. So that's another reason why some of

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Speaker 1: these logistics are hard to it. You know, I hate

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Speaker 1: to say this because it's another candle worms, but maybe

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Speaker 1: they should do what baseball does and just have a

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Speaker 1: luxury tax instead of going with a hard so recap.

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they should just have a luxury tax in football.

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00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way to do it. Anyway, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: one more point, Mike, I'm sorry to cut you off. No,

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Speaker 1: those are all good points, you know. The one thing

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Speaker 1: I would say is this where you know, my thought

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Speaker 1: is as far as bringing in the best of ball's

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Speaker 1: world you're talking about an hour where there was no

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Speaker 1: salary cap. Now, obviously the salary cap does keep it

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Speaker 1: somewhat competitive. You know, we have the phrase any given Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and the teams are relatively competitive. But when you have

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Speaker 1: a quarterback was making a fifth of the salary cap

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Speaker 1: or close to it. Um, you're right, it does take away. Now,

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Speaker 1: how do you sign Let's say you do have a J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt on your team or an Odell back up, a

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Speaker 1: generational player. How do you retain him and pay a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: It's becoming very difficult. But but but Mike, you know,

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Speaker 1: but see that, I personally I like that because that's

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Speaker 1: the challenge of running a team. You've got to make

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Speaker 1: those tough decisions. You have to draft. But you're publishing

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Speaker 1: a team for drafting. Well, no, I don't think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but here's the thing, So what do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: You to basically say, draft well, I draft well, I

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Speaker 1: coach them up well, and now you're gonna punish me

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Speaker 1: and take my guys away because I can't afford them

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Speaker 1: under the rules. But that's because that's what that's saying,

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: is that, alright, go ahead, when you lose those players

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Speaker 1: you then have to then be able to then draft

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Speaker 1: their replacements a few years later. That's essentially what it's doing.

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Speaker 1: It showing that the draft is extremely imported every single year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you do well, if you've draft well and

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Speaker 1: you coach them up, well, you're drafting lower at the

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Speaker 1: back end, which means it's even more of a handicap

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Speaker 1: to get better player. But that's listen, that's what separates

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Speaker 1: the men from the boys in terms of the guys.

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Speaker 1: One more point. No, I was gonna say this, so

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Speaker 1: just I'll throw in one more element and this might

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Speaker 1: I don't know, make it harder or it just says

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Speaker 1: another dynamic. When you think about it from an owner's standpoint, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're investing billions of dollars into a

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Speaker 1: into a franchise, you could, let's say that you could

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Speaker 1: probably be more profitable in in some other avenue. A

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Speaker 1: lot of these owners they have a love for football,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know people will look at it

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Speaker 1: from the outside and say, well, they're making so much

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Speaker 1: money yet, but they could be making more, you know,

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Speaker 1: on those billions that are invested. So that being said,

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Speaker 1: if my margins are lower than what they could in

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Speaker 1: some other avenue of business. I must really love a

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Speaker 1: player to pay him above and beyond, you know, and

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Speaker 1: to give him that that that extra money. Now, not

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Speaker 1: every team might be able to do that. You look

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Speaker 1: at a team like the Oakland struggled over the issue,

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Speaker 1: they might not be able to retain certain it does

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Speaker 1: kind of bring back that dynamic that you had with

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Speaker 1: a certain dynasty. You know, Garri's chones are going to

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Speaker 1: pay a lot more for his players, but you know

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have certain teams that are willing to pony

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Speaker 1: up the money and there is going to have to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of a thought process to it.

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Speaker 1: Do I want to do this? How much do you know?

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Speaker 1: Does it mean to win? And I think that that

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Speaker 1: kind of adds a little bit of exciting too from

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Speaker 1: the fan base where the owners are kind of throwing

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Speaker 1: something to the fans to give them to to excite

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Speaker 1: them a little bit well and apreciate the thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's why there's a salary cap, because once again I said,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have the owner that has the resources to

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Speaker 1: spend the boatload of money, double the cap, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have another owner that even though he owns the

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Speaker 1: team may not have as many resources, so they want

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Speaker 1: to keep the economics in check. I completely understand why

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Speaker 1: they would do that, and I would throw this out.

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Speaker 1: You said that, well, it's tough to keep all of

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Speaker 1: your rookies in the NFL. You can say the same

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Speaker 1: thing about the NBA, Paul. I mean, look at the

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. The Warriors, they drafted Curry, they drafted

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Speaker 1: Clay Thompson, they drafted Draymond Green. Then they got to

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Speaker 1: the point that they had to start paying all of them. Now, granted,

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Speaker 1: there's the luxury tax in the NBA. You're gonna tell me,

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Speaker 1: I get that, you have a little bit more flexibility.

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Speaker 1: But when they then took on Kevin Durant, think about

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Speaker 1: how many players they had to sacrifice in order to

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Speaker 1: take on Kevin Durant. So every sport, every league, has

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Speaker 1: the challenges where it's still going to get And I'm

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Speaker 1: not disagreeing with you there, but my point is they're

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Speaker 1: sacrifices being made in every professional sport where even if

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Speaker 1: you draft very well, no other sport is saying to itself,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, we're gonna be able to keep everybody we

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Speaker 1: bring in through the draft. Everybody has to make sacrifices.

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Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. We got Duke

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00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: in Queens. Duke, what's happening? Can you hear me? Hi?

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Speaker 1: All right? Good because I got cut off the last time. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: Well I hadn't had a few points, but I actually

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the point you just had. If

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Speaker 1: you guys are women out of time on it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that. Uh well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, man, they're one of the key pieces with

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Speaker 1: regards to winning the Super Bowl. And it's that and

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Speaker 1: it's a fact, like it's in my opinion, but it's

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Speaker 1: a fact. So if you if you know that, if

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Speaker 1: you're an owner, and you know that, we're even a

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Speaker 1: head coach, why not pay the guy a butt load

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Speaker 1: of money to keep them. Because I feel like one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why these players are getting paid the

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00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are getting paid so much, it's because other quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that are really great in the league, they have a

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00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: long standing relationship with their with their teams and so

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Speaker 1: they stayed. So that's one quarterback off the list of

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Speaker 1: possible quarterbacks that you can get that and help you

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. So you pay a butt load

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00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: for that guy that you may not even want necessarily,

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Speaker 1: like he's good, but you want better, but you have

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Speaker 1: to keep him because there's not that many going around,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I I get that

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Speaker 1: it's like one fifth of the team salary. But the

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00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: goal is to win the super Bowl. You want a

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00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: super Bowl, you raise your ticket prices. So that's what

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00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: the goal is for the owners. That that's what they

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00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: want to do every year. So I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: say that, and then uh, I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta versus Davis. David's Webb and don't want this,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to say that, I know Paul is

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Speaker 1: h webbr is your guy, Paul, but I do think

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Speaker 1: Loletta is more ready right now. You know, Webb had

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Speaker 1: the luxury of having one year to learn a playbook. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but the playbooks changed so he had He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the luxury anymore. And I think the type of offense

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Speaker 1: that Kylo Letter ran in in college is there is

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Speaker 1: a big help. And not only that, but I like

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Speaker 1: his uh the way he handles pressure more to me,

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00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: I feel like Webb he gets uh. It makes really

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00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: bad decisions under pressure. And when you look at the

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00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Giants history, not that this means anything, but when you

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00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: look at the Giant Super Bowl wins, uh, we were

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Speaker 1: able to win a Super Bowl because Eli was able

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Speaker 1: to make a throw under pressure. The helmet catch, you know,

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Speaker 1: for instance, he was able to make that throw under pressure.

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Speaker 1: And if if as a fan, I want super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: then I think that's one of the most important characteristic

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Speaker 1: or saying that you need it in your quarterback, is

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Speaker 1: the ability to make a throw under pressure. And can

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Speaker 1: you guys talk about that? All right? Well, appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. I mean, the one thing I'll add is,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what if we've seen from Davis Webb that

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Speaker 1: get determine whether or not he can make a throw

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Speaker 1: at pressure. I'm guessing his opinion is based on he

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00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: saw a cow, which, of course, as as he did

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Speaker 1: half admit he hasn't seen Davis so over the course

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Speaker 1: of the last year, as Davis has worked down here

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Speaker 1: with the Giants, nobody, nobody, including myself, as much as

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Speaker 1: I know about Davis Webb, I can't even guarantee you

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Speaker 1: that I could bet my home and life savings that

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Speaker 1: he is going to be a star in this league.

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that with a guarantee. I

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00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: could tell you an educated guess. I think it's gonna

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00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: be and I'm willing to put my chips on his

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00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: side of the table, But to say it's an unadulter

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Speaker 1: rat lock, no, no, you can't, you can't do that. UM,

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Speaker 1: I would say this. I think the Giants are gonna

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00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: have three really smart, poised, and studious quarterbacks in their

847
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks room this year. And I think that Kyle Oletta

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Speaker 1: is going to be a really terrific number three and

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Speaker 1: probably one of the best number three's in the league.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely think that's the case. But I think the

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00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: pecking order is is quite obvious going into the season.

852
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Unless something changes and and you know, god forbid an

853
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: injury or Davis's webb falls on his face. I don't

854
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: think either is gonna happen. He will be the number two. Well.

855
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: I at this point, the sample size is so small

856
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: for both guys, it's hard to say this guy's dealt

857
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: with more pressure than that guy. I mean, granted, it's

858
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: all based on the collegiate resume, and I think lett

859
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: it does have a lot of upside, But we gotta

860
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: see him in the NFL uniform. We gotta see him

861
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: in a preseason game before we start jumping to questions

862
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: that this guy has an edge over that guy. And

863
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: I would say, even if the caller saw David's Webb

864
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: throw in practice, I don't think he's really gonna take

865
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: much more away. No, he's not. So, you know, because

866
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: it's once again we're what pressure situations are you in

867
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: in terms of practice? You know what is funny though

868
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: there there. I know it's a minority opinion, but there

869
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: were some professional scouts who thought that coming out of

870
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: Cow that Davis Webb was more further along than golf

871
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: and Goff's turned out to be pretty dawn good, hasn't he?

872
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't a

873
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: widespread majority opinion, but there were groups of scouts who

874
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: felt that he was further along in God. And the

875
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: truth is, there may be validity behind that statement for

876
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: those individuals that said that, But you know what the

877
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: difference is God got the opportunity and we didn't. So

878
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: we were still dancing with the unknown. Because until we

879
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: see something in a meaningful game, a regular season game

880
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: where there is that pressure that the Cahler was talking about.

881
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is just pure speculation in

882
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: terms of who has the edge. I don't think anybody

883
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: has an edge. Here's the good news. Both of these guys,

884
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Web and Loletta each have some very desirable qualities for

885
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback to have. They are a little different.

886
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: They each one has something that the other guy may

887
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: not have we don't know for sure, or something that

888
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have that the other guy may may

889
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: not have been afflicted with. But both of them have

890
00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: a number of very positive NFL qualities. That's a problem

891
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: to half. Well. They're both smart, they're both dedicated to

892
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: their craft, and they're both willing to learn. So right away,

893
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: those are attractive traits that you want out of people,

894
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: and they both skills and wherever they've been, that's fair.

895
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: Twos one five, one three is the telephone number. So

896
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: Dave dominic, our producer, did some research. Steve Young had

897
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: a fifty two million dollar contract. He was making just

898
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: over eight million a year. That took up fifteen point

899
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: nine percent of the cap. Okay, because twenty years ago,

900
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, Matt Ryan thirty million a year on

901
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: a one hundred seventy seven million dollar caps, taking up

902
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: just below seventeen percent of the cap. It's not that dramatic. However, however,

903
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: now what you were Steve Young, Steve Young was night see.

904
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm I want to take it back though. But eight already,

905
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: that's five years into free agency and the new and

906
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: the new deal. Looked up two or ninety three, and

907
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: now you can be talking, okay, and then look up

908
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: five when there was no salary cap to see what

909
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: they took up as well. The number is still poisoned.

910
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Scot twenty year sample size I think provides enough to say.

911
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: But the league had already been inflicted by the new rules.

912
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: I get that. But but we're still talking about go back,

913
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: go back to ninety. We will, Dave will appeas to you,

914
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: He'll do us back to meantime, to add even more

915
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: insight to this conversation, we have the pleasure of having

916
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: Charlie and Portland, Maine on the line. So I can

917
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: only imagine where we're gonna go. H this. Now, let's

918
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: go back to the way way back machine and let's

919
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: go back. Hey no, really, uh, what I was going

920
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: to say There is a simple solution to this cap thing,

921
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: and I think you guys hit on it with a

922
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Larry Bird thing. It's just like what you do is

923
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: you have whoever your highest paid player is on your team,

924
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: You get a mulligan. That player does not count against

925
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: the cap. So, in other words, that one player will

926
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: be your quarterback number, whatever that number is, except when

927
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: you have a rookie corner quarterback and they have the

928
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: rookie salary. Right, Whoever your highest paid player is on

929
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: any team, they do not count to the salary cap,

930
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: so you can pay them as much as you want

931
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: to pay them. So it's not going to bother the

932
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Players Association. The only thing is going to bother is

933
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: the owners because the owners are not want to pay

934
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: more money to get a balanced team. They don't want

935
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: to pay it, so that's the problem. They're billionaires, they

936
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: can afford it. But to me, you take one player

937
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: out your highest played player on any team, you solve

938
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: the whole problem. Charlie, here's the problem. You have to

939
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: define highest paid player. And that is a significant issue

940
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: because depending upon whether you go by base salary, whether

941
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: you go by average based salary, whether you go by

942
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: average salary across the entirety of the contract, which includes

943
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: all bonuses and incentives. You could have three different players

944
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: who qualify as the highest paid player on any given team.

945
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: That's a problem. That's a problem. But that's a problem.

946
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: But that's a problem because you cannot have each team

947
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: identifying the highest paid player. One team says it's going

948
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: to be based on the entirety of his deal. Another

949
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: guy says it's based on this year's sary. Another team

950
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: says it's going to be based on the base average

951
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: salary over the length of his contract. You can't do it.

952
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: You can't because there were too many variables. There are

953
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: too many variables. Two Matt Ryan is making what thirty

954
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: million dollars, He's out, he's out of the cap. If

955
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: he's if they want to play games and make it

956
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, bonuses and it's you know, then whoever the

957
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: other highest guy is, then he's out. You can make

958
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: it very simple. You can just make it whatever the

959
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: largest salary is for that year out of it. Okay,

960
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you a great example. Okay, if you said

961
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: to me right now, who is the highest or asked

962
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: me who is the highest paid quarterback in the league. Okay,

963
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: if you go by total value average per year, Matt

964
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: Ryan's making thirty million a year. But if you go

965
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: by average of guaranteed money per year, you're not gonna

966
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: believe who the highest paid quarterback is. It's Kirk Cousins

967
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: because he's making twenty eight million average guaranteed salary over

968
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: the length of his deal. Matt Ryan's only making eighteen

969
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: point nine. So now who is truly the highest paid

970
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: is Cousins or is Ryan because the contracts are not

971
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: even if that's exactly right, Well, that's Charlie. Your your

972
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: theory has so many holes in it because of of

973
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: how people can manipulate the numbers. Well, I agree with you, Paul,

974
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: and I always have a pleasure in disagreeing with Charlie,

975
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: So there's no problem here. Well, I understand Charlie's concept.

976
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: But but Charlie, well, what would say is you adopt

977
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: the Larry Bird rule so that you can go over

978
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: the cap to retain a player. The way the Larry

979
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: Bird rule, it doesn't work, like every single year we

980
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: factor in the Larry Bird ruld. That's the way that

981
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: you're basically laying it out that every single year you

982
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: find to the highest paid players and you sort of

983
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: remove them from the cap. If everyone happen one year contracts,

984
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: you could do that, but they don't know. All I'm

985
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: saying is that Matt Ryan is due for an extension.

986
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: You can go over the cap to fit that contract

987
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: in and they won't get penalized. That's how I think

988
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: it should work. Period. It's not every single year you

989
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: find the highest paid player, because Matt Ryan's contracts should

990
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: still count against the cap. It's not like you completely

991
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: remove Matt Ryan's contract. He still goes into the cap.

992
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: It's just if the cap has won seventy seven and

993
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: you had to go to one ninety five to accommodate

994
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. The league is not going to now all

995
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden say you've got to pay some type

996
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: of a luxury tax or a penalty. Charlie, are you

997
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna Are you gonna say that every year? Then you

998
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: would have to go to a team and say, Okay,

999
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: you want to go over the cap this year with

1000
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: your highest paid free agent that's on your team to

1001
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: resign him. Do you want to do that to let

1002
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: so that over the course of the next five years,

1003
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: if every single one of those years you have a

1004
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: free agent that you badly want to resign and he's

1005
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: the highest paid guy. You want to be able to

1006
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: get him all all five of them to keep him.

1007
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: Is that what you want to do? Now? What I'm saying,

1008
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: he is very simple. Whoever has the highest amount of

1009
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: money and you make it simple. Whatever that guy on

1010
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: your team, like EUI is making the most money this

1011
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: year on our team, he's making twenty one million dollars

1012
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: or one point five he's the guy you take the

1013
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: salary out of the cap that twenty one five millions. Yeah,

1014
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: but Charlie, for every team, but all of a sudden,

1015
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: you have most of the time it will be your quarterback.

1016
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: But Charlie, it won't be. It won't be because these

1017
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: contracts are they're not balanced. So therefore, every year when

1018
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: you have to recalculate that the quarterback is not always

1019
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: gonna be the highest paid every single year, there's gonna

1020
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: be an imbalanced because the contracts. So it saves the

1021
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: team money to get better players where they need them.

1022
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: It's very simple. When you're making it too far complicated.

1023
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: There's always going to be one player every year that

1024
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: makes the most money. For that. Well, but I don't

1025
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't even think you need You don't even need

1026
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: to break it down. Based on the annual salary, Matt

1027
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: Ryan is going to have the biggest contract period on

1028
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: the team, no matter the guaranteed money, Paul, because you're

1029
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: giving him over one hundred million dollars. Highly unlikely somebody

1030
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: in another position is going to make more money over

1031
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: the course of the contract. So you just look at

1032
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: the guy with the biggest contract, which is why the

1033
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: Larry Bird rule says you can go over the to

1034
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: get from that contract. And that's it, and that's how

1035
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I would leave it. Then come back the following year

1036
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: and start doing all the man and listen, Charlie, we're

1037
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: gonna let you go on that point. So save the

1038
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 1: the rest of the really good content for tomorrow show,

1039
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: which we're gonna look forward to before we wrap up. Though,

1040
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: Dave dominic he is boys. He computing the numbers today, right,

1041
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: So he went back and he tried to appease to

1042
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: you two. He went a year because the beautify all right,

1043
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: what you and Marino was making just under four and

1044
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: a half million dollars, Okay, that was his salary. Now

1045
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: every payroll sort of fluctuated, But what Dave computed was

1046
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: the average annual payroll for a team back then was

1047
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: just under twenty seven million. So Marino then was taking

1048
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: up sixteen point five per cent of his team k roll. Okay,

1049
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: so now we go back to when the cap was

1050
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: in place, Steve Young was taken up fifteen point nine,

1051
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: fifteen point nine, sixteen point five. Now Matt Ryan sixteen

1052
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: point nine versus sixteen point five. Wow, we're talking. I guess, well, listen,

1053
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I used to stand where you were coming from. Percentage

1054
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks number you're telling me is is according

1055
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: to the superstars and the numbers we have. It hasn't

1056
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: really changed because it's always been the most. Doesn't seem

1057
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: like that, But I guess I stand corrected. And the

1058
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: salary cap goes up, you're gonna do is You're just

1059
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: gonna bring up the contracts relative to that. I guess

1060
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: it just seems like the quarterbacks have taken all. I mean,

1061
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't just seem thinking that way. The numbers have

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Speaker 1: And that's why I really don't think it's throwing things

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Speaker 1: the stage for Rookie Minicamp gets underway Friday, Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff live up and running again tomorrow at noon Eastern

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Speaker 1: for Paul the Tino on Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest

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Speaker 1: of your Tuesday right here on johnts dot com. I'm

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