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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, September twelfth, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirty eight. Welcome to a very special edition
Speaker 1: of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. We got a good show lined up
Speaker 1: for you guys today. Got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into these Giants days. Got a scouting
Speaker 1: report on the Giants offense, and we'll talk about some
Speaker 1: of their playmakers over there. A little bit of a
Speaker 1: different offense than what the Cowboys have been used to
Speaker 1: seeing when they face the Giants with the addition of
Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley. But I'm sure we'll get all into
Speaker 1: all of that. Before we do that, though, a few
Speaker 1: housekeeping things we need to catch up on. A players
Speaker 1: signed to the Cowboys yesterday, a guard by the name
Speaker 1: of Xavier Sue Filo, and they also released Kadeem Edwards.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about Sue Filo. Is he is he
Speaker 1: a guy that's that they're bringing in to just play guard?
Speaker 1: Can he play guard and center? Does he have even
Speaker 1: more flex than that? What's his purpose here? Is he
Speaker 1: just kind of a backup body that they're just kind
Speaker 1: of just turning the bottom of the ross. I think
Speaker 1: he's definitely better than Kadem Edwards, obviously, that's why they
Speaker 1: did it. He started some games for Houston. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a situation of do
Speaker 1: they want to get a better guard in here than
Speaker 1: what they had at left guard? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the case. I don't think they're gonna pull
Speaker 1: the plug on this with Connor Williams at all. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think they just want to have
Speaker 1: a little bit more depth there at the guard position.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing and what they had in Parker
Speaker 1: Anger and Anger. I thank god I didn't have to
Speaker 1: figure out how to pronounce his name. At least we
Speaker 1: would have done that all season. Anger, Anger, whatever. He's
Speaker 1: a second round pick. Actually, I remember talking about him
Speaker 1: on the Draft show. He started a few years in Houston.
Speaker 1: I think you would call his career disappointing to this point.
Speaker 1: But well, in the second round pick and he's not
Speaker 1: I mean only three or four years ago and he's
Speaker 1: not still with the team that drafted him. So not great.
Speaker 1: But Cowboys have Shona. That's what they like to do.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper ring a bell um, bringing a talented guy.
Speaker 1: I think he gives you flex. He can play either
Speaker 1: guard spot. He's better than Kadeem Edwards. Theoretically he could
Speaker 1: push Connor Williams, but that's down the line. Like this
Speaker 1: is and that's I said that on Twitter yesterday. This
Speaker 1: is not a reaction to Connor Williams having some struggles
Speaker 1: on Sunday. They worked him out last week. This this
Speaker 1: is I love this type of stuff, like the mechanics
Speaker 1: of how NFL teams used their roster. They needed a
Speaker 1: guy because anger was going on ir They worked him out,
Speaker 1: they liked him. But they can't ask a guy that
Speaker 1: they signed on Wednesday to play on Sunday if he
Speaker 1: hasn't been here. Kadeem was here for a few months.
Speaker 1: You sign him, you get through the game with that,
Speaker 1: and then now you can go and get the guy
Speaker 1: that you wanted. Yeah, was Anger? Anger? Guy was Anger?
Speaker 1: The person I'm thinking about that had the position flex
Speaker 1: where he could play center, guard and even did somebody
Speaker 1: say maybe tackle in a pinch? Jerry said he could
Speaker 1: play all five spots. I think it was really more guard, center,
Speaker 1: well guard tack ar tack didn't have the center fleas.
Speaker 1: I think I think Jason Garrett told us that Sue
Speaker 1: Philo could play center in a pinch. In a pinch,
Speaker 1: you don't probably want him to. And Adam Redmond is
Speaker 1: still here too, so um, but it's he's a guy
Speaker 1: that could guard. He gives you depth at two positions. Okay,
Speaker 1: got you a third? Got it? Um, Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about injuries to watch this week. Cowboys. Still,
Speaker 1: their injury report is relatively small at this point, they
Speaker 1: haven't really had any major significant injuries. But tell us
Speaker 1: tell the fans which fan which players we need to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on this week. With regards to the
Speaker 1: injury report, I would challenge that losing for Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: has been kind of major so far. Yeah, we'll see,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying hopefully it's not a hopefully you
Speaker 1: don't know hopefully it's not forever. I mean, not for
Speaker 1: the season. I'm interesting, but it was more significant than
Speaker 1: I think we thought it was just by watching the game.
Speaker 1: I'll take one to watch it. Mean Xavier Woods, um
Speaker 1: didn't see him do a lot there. Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: step on a limb. I think it's a sturdy limb.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't think Xavier Woods can go
Speaker 1: this week. That's really that's just my guess. It's Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I get it. But basing that on conversation with Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: they don't expec him to play early in the weekend
Speaker 1: to get case and I'm sorry, thank you. Practice case
Speaker 1: in point. Randy Gregory's the other guy to watch. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett even said today he's like, while he's still in
Speaker 1: the protocol, he's got his knee, but we feel good
Speaker 1: that by the end of the week, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he'll progress. You asked him about Xavier Woods, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of more like, uh, you know, he's still not
Speaker 1: quite ready yet. We'll see about that. On top of that,
Speaker 1: eternal optimist Jerry Jones even said, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he'll be able to play this week, but he's getting
Speaker 1: closer to being able to play, So not a not
Speaker 1: a guarantee of anything. I said, I was stepping out
Speaker 1: on a limb, but I just I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready. It sounds like those are the
Speaker 1: two guys that are that are most important to watch
Speaker 1: this week, and it sounds like maybe one of them
Speaker 1: is looking good. One. You have a little question about
Speaker 1: Randy's I mean, concussions are always it's different, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like if he didn't, if he
Speaker 1: wasn't in the protocol, I think he could maybe practice
Speaker 1: right now. But you gotta be careful with that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's just they're just gonna have to watch him
Speaker 1: and see where he's at. Okay, all right, good, So
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's talk about this Giant's offense. And
Speaker 1: before we get to the scouting report, the one thing
Speaker 1: I want to point out, just kind of overall, when
Speaker 1: you look at this team is over the last six meetings,
Speaker 1: that's the last three years the Cowboys have played this team,
Speaker 1: you've seen basically offensively, at least, this is not a
Speaker 1: high powered offense, although they got some players that are
Speaker 1: high powered, particularly O'Dell Beckham, junior. When you look at
Speaker 1: their passing game particularly, and then look at their running game,
Speaker 1: they haven't really put up a lot of yards. They
Speaker 1: can put up some points, they haven't in a lot
Speaker 1: of these games put up a ton of points. You
Speaker 1: guys expect that to be different now with the addition
Speaker 1: of se Quon Barkley. No, which why a question? Why
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Why do you think that?
Speaker 1: Was not a statement, That was a question I was
Speaker 1: asking was do you think that I'm not making Why
Speaker 1: do you think that despite having arguably the best receiver
Speaker 1: in the league and in top five picket running back
Speaker 1: I get you, and an accomplished quarterback? Why do you
Speaker 1: think their offense isn't better? Maybe because the offensive line, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. And it's still the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well, they got an older it's not the same,
Speaker 1: but it's not better. At least the early returns aren't positive,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's going to be a factor
Speaker 1: for them. I think you know, Cowboys fans, y'all were
Speaker 1: here for more of it than I was. I really
Speaker 1: I got here when the offensive line got good. But
Speaker 1: you remember watching these Cowboys teams that had Tony Romo
Speaker 1: and Dez Bryant, and it was a struggle to do
Speaker 1: stuff a lot because you didn't have guys who could
Speaker 1: block everything. I think the jury is still out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jacksville is probably the best defense in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And you know, their star receiver had eleven catches, their
Speaker 1: star running back is one of the well there's only
Speaker 1: four players in the NFL or that had one hundred
Speaker 1: yard game. He was one of them. And so they
Speaker 1: did their thing against a you know, pretty good, really
Speaker 1: good defense. So I think I think they're excited to
Speaker 1: probably face the team defense is not as good and
Speaker 1: Dallas is definitely not as good as Jacksonville defensively, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, And that's the part that you gotta be
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about, is they've been able to
Speaker 1: h They've won three of the last six I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in and the Giants have split those and
Speaker 1: that's with them not having the kind of running game
Speaker 1: that that you would that that certainly that they have now.
Speaker 1: I mean I look at I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at the running their rushing attack over the last uh
Speaker 1: six games, and they I think their best day was
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty two yards. I was back in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen at one hundred and thirty two yards in
Speaker 1: the game. There were one, two, three games. Half the
Speaker 1: games they didn't even get over one hundred yards. And
Speaker 1: this is totaling, is not one person is a total
Speaker 1: rushing as a team. So they haven't traditionally in the
Speaker 1: last again, last three years, haven't run the ball particularly
Speaker 1: well against the Cowboys. And that's a position where you
Speaker 1: would say they've upgraded a bit, even if the offensive
Speaker 1: line is bad. A really good running back, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: really good running back makes a bad offensive line look
Speaker 1: pretty good, of course. Yeah. I mean no, I mean
Speaker 1: since Bradshaw and Brandon Jacob's left, they running the ball,
Speaker 1: it's been an afterthought. It's been nothing dark or he
Speaker 1: had some plays in that twenty fifteen game he did.
Speaker 1: He did. That was the year when they had one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two. He had some plays, so they
Speaker 1: were shot. Uh, okay, since Jennings, I why don't you
Speaker 1: disagree with you, Dave? And just for the sake of
Speaker 1: the argument, you said it was such disdain in your
Speaker 1: boy for the sake of the argument. Now, I think
Speaker 1: I mean overall, if you look at overall as a
Speaker 1: team in the whole NFL, I wouldn't say, yes, there's
Speaker 1: so much better than what they've been. But versus the
Speaker 1: Cowboys right now, which is the game that we're focused
Speaker 1: on at this point, I would say they are one.
Speaker 1: They have a running back that can run the ball,
Speaker 1: So do the Cowboys. Okay the old line. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: might not be the best or anything, but they can
Speaker 1: do it, can still make some damage. Now, they have
Speaker 1: a quarterback that can't get the ball out there a
Speaker 1: lot quicker than our quarterback, and they have a receiver
Speaker 1: that can catch the ball even a lot more than
Speaker 1: what we have. So I'm saying when you start comparing
Speaker 1: the two teams right now offensively, I think that they
Speaker 1: can definitely put up a battle and score probably score
Speaker 1: more points than what we think the Cowboys can do
Speaker 1: at this point. So you're picking the Giants basically. The
Speaker 1: one thing to note though, is although we know Odell
Speaker 1: is a really really great talent and he's had some
Speaker 1: big time plays against the Cowboys, overall, he has been
Speaker 1: a Cowboy killer when it comes to just his overall
Speaker 1: average in these six games. I mean, you're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy that has I think he's averaged seventy one
Speaker 1: yards per game in those six games. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not really killed the Cowboys other than those big plays,
Speaker 1: like he had the slant route that he took quite away.
Speaker 1: There's that a touchdown even having touchdowns, and then obviously
Speaker 1: the play that set his career off against a Brandon Carr,
Speaker 1: which obviously was you know, that was just a spectacular catch.
Speaker 1: But he hadn't have had a lot of really great
Speaker 1: games against the Cowboys. He hasn't been the killer of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Yeah, but what I guess where I'm getting
Speaker 1: at is they have at least three good elements working
Speaker 1: on kind of working on their favor you know, a
Speaker 1: good running back, a guy that can catch a ball,
Speaker 1: and then a guy that can throw the ball pretty
Speaker 1: quickly without having to be you know, running around and
Speaker 1: getting pressure. He can make those kinds of decisions a
Speaker 1: lot faster than let's say, Dak So when you look
Speaker 1: at that versus what the Cowboys have at this point,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys only really have one I would say that
Speaker 1: can't work, which is Zee. We know he can't run
Speaker 1: the ball successfully, even if his little yard by little
Speaker 1: yard at the end of the game, it all adds up.
Speaker 1: So I think when when you start looking at those
Speaker 1: factors and comparing the two, I think, right now I'm
Speaker 1: leaning more towards what the Giants offense can do. Alright,
Speaker 1: point Dave Gold and give us a scout report on
Speaker 1: these guys. What did you see as you started watching them? Well,
Speaker 1: we sort of touched on a lot of it, but
Speaker 1: it just ever, this whole conversation that y'all just finished
Speaker 1: just makes reaffirms my belief that for the Dallas defense,
Speaker 1: I think this whole game is going to come down
Speaker 1: to how well they tackle, Which is funny since they
Speaker 1: didn't tackle very well. Let's wrote that down. They got
Speaker 1: a tackle will It's I mean, it sounds elementary. Obviously
Speaker 1: you have to you have to tackle football. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Okay, let's start with Sequon Barkley. He's a
Speaker 1: phenomenal talent. Everybody knows that. You saw his draft tape.
Speaker 1: I assume you saw his run against the Jaguars. If
Speaker 1: you didn't, you really should because it's real. It's just
Speaker 1: fun Like Beau, I mean, it was a broken play.
Speaker 1: He goes up the middle, he squirts outside, breaks two tackles,
Speaker 1: breaks another tackle, beats another guy to the corner, tiptoes
Speaker 1: along the sideline for three yards, and then he's gone.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly, I think it's a little bit everything. It's
Speaker 1: more impressive than any touchdown Zeke has scored. I think
Speaker 1: probably I think do that. But the point being, he's
Speaker 1: got that game breaking type of talent. He's got insane balance,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, you know, all through the
Speaker 1: draft and leading up to this point. Like he's got
Speaker 1: these thick ass tree trunk thighs. That's what he can
Speaker 1: do with them. Like he is a hard guy to
Speaker 1: bring down, So I think they're that's scary, but there's
Speaker 1: a positive to that because I'm gonna read off, all right,
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley ran a sixty eight yard touchdown. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read off his other runs from the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: on Sunday zero negative three ten five four negative four
Speaker 1: negative one one eight zero three two three one five
Speaker 1: three sixty eight four and one. That's what he did.
Speaker 1: He had one run that you might qualify as a
Speaker 1: chunk play other than the touchdown, and you can't take
Speaker 1: that away. I hate people who do that. I get it,
Speaker 1: but look at the trend there that to me says
Speaker 1: your offensive line and your blocking is bad because he's
Speaker 1: getting swarmed within three yards of the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: damn near every time he touches the ball, and even
Speaker 1: on the play that he scored, that happened too. He
Speaker 1: just he did some superhuman stuff. And that's what I
Speaker 1: mean when I say you've got to tackle well, because
Speaker 1: if you do, if you're wrapping up, and if five
Speaker 1: guys are flowing on the ball and you're gang tackling
Speaker 1: and getting hats on him, you can wrap him up.
Speaker 1: He ran seventeen times for thirty eight yards other than
Speaker 1: the touchdown, and again you can't take that away. I
Speaker 1: get it. But the trend is there that there should
Speaker 1: be plays to be made because the blocking is not
Speaker 1: that good. Running backs can do crazy stuff, but if
Speaker 1: you just tackle well, then I'm not gonna say he
Speaker 1: doesn't scare me, but you can manage with that. Because
Speaker 1: go back and watch the tape. This Giant's offensive line
Speaker 1: is not very good. They added Nate solder Um, they
Speaker 1: drafted Will Hernandez. They have John Halapio, who's a journeyman
Speaker 1: who is kind of you know, he was with Halapio
Speaker 1: h l a p Io, Um, how are you? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: he's a five year he's the typical like journeyman vet
Speaker 1: who finally caught on with the team exactly like he No,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the HALOZ was a good good offensive line.
Speaker 1: He's he started seven times with the Giants after never
Speaker 1: starting in his career prior to that. Like whether it's
Speaker 1: their scheme or they don't have anybody better or whatever. Um,
Speaker 1: they brought in Patrick a Mama from Jacksonville. And then
Speaker 1: the big one is Eric Flowers is still your starting
Speaker 1: right tackle and it sounds like he's going to be
Speaker 1: this week, even after he had a tripping penalty he
Speaker 1: had like he he had a holding in the end
Speaker 1: zone that was damn near a safety. Did you see
Speaker 1: the LA play? Yeah, just got. He's just not a
Speaker 1: good player, certainly not for a top fifteen draft pick
Speaker 1: laws on the left side exactly. And that's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, is we'll get to the Giants defense.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the Giants defense tomorrow. But like they
Speaker 1: don't have the pass rushers that they've become known for
Speaker 1: right now, Olivier Vernon's hurt and they don't have another
Speaker 1: proven guy, so like he was getting his butt kicked
Speaker 1: by guys that are not as good as what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can run out there on Sunday. So that's really encouraging.
Speaker 1: And that goes back to my point that Barkley can
Speaker 1: he can make some things happen, but if you tackle
Speaker 1: well and get guys to him, I think you can
Speaker 1: limit what he's able to do, just because this blocking
Speaker 1: is not very good. The other thing too, I think
Speaker 1: it extends to the passing game because you have not
Speaker 1: just Odell Beckham, but Sterling Shepherd. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: I'll take it back to the blocking. Eli Manning is
Speaker 1: probably not going to have a ton of time, if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, and if he does, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's that guy. You know. I think of Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: I know we like to criticize him, but Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: just used to bomb away downfield on this team all
Speaker 1: the time. Any he would hit at least a few
Speaker 1: of them. Like, I don't think Eli is going to
Speaker 1: have that kind of time, and when he does, I
Speaker 1: don't trust him anyway. You watch the game back, Derek right,
Speaker 1: the cleanest pocket he had all day, he had Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham just screaming down the slot just three yards behind
Speaker 1: everybody and just missed him. I mean, you can't have
Speaker 1: an easier touchdown. So he doesn't scare me in the
Speaker 1: sense of like an Aaron Rodgers who can just sit
Speaker 1: back there and pick you apart. Where he does scare
Speaker 1: me to Amber's point is that he's going to get
Speaker 1: the ball out quick, and he's got two receivers in
Speaker 1: O'Dell and Sterling Shepard, who are just as scary within
Speaker 1: ten yards of the line of scrimmage as they are downfield.
Speaker 1: Because that's what I think Odell Beckham does maybe the
Speaker 1: best is he just presents himself as a target quickly
Speaker 1: and then he's gone. He's fast and he's sheds tackles.
Speaker 1: Um So you're talking turning six yards slants into sixty
Speaker 1: yard touchdowns like a couple of years ago in New York,
Speaker 1: or you know, running crossing routes. It seems like he
Speaker 1: runs sing route every other snap. So again that goes
Speaker 1: back to my point, gotta tackle well, you gotta keep
Speaker 1: it a sixteen yard game instead of a fifty eight
Speaker 1: yard game. And that's going to be the challenge for
Speaker 1: this for the Stallas defense. I feel like on all
Speaker 1: fronts is limit They're gonna make their plays. You gotta
Speaker 1: limit it. When you can't, you can't let them break it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just we've been talking for five years
Speaker 1: while Eli or ten years, Eli Manning gets the ball
Speaker 1: out quick and he's still it has been effective at
Speaker 1: times doing it. And it's like you just said, he's
Speaker 1: got playmaking you know, receivers that can get open quickly
Speaker 1: and then do something with it. And so, I mean
Speaker 1: their offense is Eli friendly, it's Dak friendly, and this
Speaker 1: is not Dack friendly because they don't have He doesn't
Speaker 1: have players that. I mean, he can get the ball
Speaker 1: out quickly to who like who's open, you know, like
Speaker 1: right off the bat. So I know that there's the
Speaker 1: argument that this, you know, the receiver's got open some
Speaker 1: you know last week and all that, but they're not special.
Speaker 1: You don't have you have special receivers over here. So
Speaker 1: you know, when Eli's career is kind of going down
Speaker 1: the way it is, you need to surround him with
Speaker 1: some special players. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they're able to do it. I think he's
Speaker 1: got three special guys honestly. I mean, obviously Odell, I
Speaker 1: think Sterling Shepherd is a very underrated player. And then
Speaker 1: there's Evan Ingram too, who's basically a receiver. I mean,
Speaker 1: he hinders them in some ways because he's not a
Speaker 1: good blocker. They have to I mean, they go, he
Speaker 1: added to an offensive line. It doesn't right, So I
Speaker 1: mean you and that again, that's part of the that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem for Barkley for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: I would guess they've got to bring in other tight
Speaker 1: ends and other offensive lineman. But yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't go ahead and say it like Cowboys got kind
Speaker 1: of lucky that Greg Olsen had to lose that game.
Speaker 1: It certainly didn't leave not loose. It didn't seem like
Speaker 1: they had an answer for him during the time that
Speaker 1: he was there. And Evan Ingram is probably gonna be
Speaker 1: worse because he's twenty four and faster and leaner and
Speaker 1: easier to create separate And let's remember Xavier Woods doesn't play. Now,
Speaker 1: you got two box safeties that are now out there
Speaker 1: playing safety. Can either one of them be able to
Speaker 1: to cover him? There's no way that they can play
Speaker 1: another game where the safeties to play the whole game
Speaker 1: and no backups play. I mean even on special teams.
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to Cavon Frasier Um just the
Speaker 1: other yesterday and he was like, I was dead on
Speaker 1: the plane. I mean, I couldn't move so tired. He
Speaker 1: played every snap on defense and special teams. Same with
Speaker 1: Jeff He and he was hot out there. That's hot.
Speaker 1: The other part to it, too, is really don't understand.
Speaker 1: I just for the life of me, do not understand
Speaker 1: why you signed Ibraheim Campbell who's been in the league
Speaker 1: five years and he doesn't play a lot of defense,
Speaker 1: play some, but he's got to be a special teams
Speaker 1: got to be in the league five years. How can
Speaker 1: you not go in and play on special teams. I'll
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate. Um, You're right, he's a veteran. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make a ton of sense. But he got here Sunday,
Speaker 1: he got here Monday. Really, he had twenty practices to
Speaker 1: get up to speed. Maybe they just didn't trust them yet.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have reco active then. If you're going to
Speaker 1: have two safeties who aren't active, no, I mean they
Speaker 1: don't play, Yeah, just sitting out there. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: a ton of sense, but I would like to believe
Speaker 1: that in you know, this week, ye get them get
Speaker 1: a little more acclimated. My point though, about all the
Speaker 1: stuff that you're saying, the thing that's always been scary
Speaker 1: about Eli and the Giants is that they're always in
Speaker 1: the game. You know, you're never gonna be that far
Speaker 1: ahead of them. They can score quickly. We've seen it.
Speaker 1: We've seen the Cowboys have two score leads on the
Speaker 1: Giants and think that it's over and it's not, and
Speaker 1: they win because they come back and score quick one.
Speaker 1: Get the ball again. That quick strike ability with those
Speaker 1: receivers and you know Swiss with a tight end, they
Speaker 1: can get back in the game quickly. So you gotta
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to kind of pull away from them,
Speaker 1: or with this offense, that won't be pulling away from anybody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing to think about though there with that
Speaker 1: point you're making about the safeties, it could have been
Speaker 1: a situation where they got into that game and they realize, really,
Speaker 1: all we got to do is stop the run. Like
Speaker 1: they're not challenging us so much in the passing, I'm
Speaker 1: playing a lot Nickel m Yeah, Yeah, you're not in
Speaker 1: a situation where you're really getting challenge a lot. And
Speaker 1: let's be honest, if you weren't going to be able
Speaker 1: to have safeties back, then we're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: take down Big Cam. Then it doesn't matter if they
Speaker 1: can cover or not. And so maybe they got into
Speaker 1: the game and they started seeing how the game was
Speaker 1: progressing and they were like, it's more important for us
Speaker 1: to have really two box safeties out there anyway, because
Speaker 1: they both can tackle, and we feel better about them
Speaker 1: tackle than Mape tackling than maybe those other guys. True,
Speaker 1: my point is more on special teams. I'd like to
Speaker 1: get them some break on special teams and you know,
Speaker 1: play that way. I just I'm I'm encouraged by you know,
Speaker 1: well you mentioned Big Cam. They don't Eli Manning's not
Speaker 1: that and you know he's gonna opposite He's the guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna slide to get out of a sack or
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Speaker 1: I you know, I counted it up. I think Will
Speaker 1: Hernandez is probably gonna be a really good player. We
Speaker 1: all liked him coming out of the draft. Still a
Speaker 1: second game, Yeah, whilee Collins had a sack. We already
Speaker 1: talked about DeMarcus Lawrence. Nate Solder is the best of them,
Speaker 1: and still didn't look great. Albeit to Nick's point, it's
Speaker 1: maybe the best pass rush in the league, but this
Speaker 1: should be a good pass rush to it looked. They
Speaker 1: looked pretty good team. They looked pretty good because this
Speaker 1: team right nowadays, you would say, I mean, and they
Speaker 1: gotta they gotta play well. And I thought they played
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Speaker 1: you gotta limit that stuff, and that's a great way
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Speaker 1: two nine seven is the number before we go to
Speaker 1: our first call. We do have a call already lined up.
Speaker 1: I wanted to at least give you guys a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Dave talked a lot about the
Speaker 1: ability of the Cowboys to tackle and that being very
Speaker 1: important in this game. Particularly. How concerned are you coming
Speaker 1: off the game that Sean Lee had when it comes
Speaker 1: to tackling, because he is kind of how this thing
Speaker 1: moves when it comes to tackling. That's his primary job,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a great game for him in Carolina.
Speaker 1: You think he bounced his back or you a little
Speaker 1: bit concerned about where he is at this point My
Speaker 1: thing with with Sean you know, with the season starting
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, I think he'll be able to go
Speaker 1: out there and you know, get all those preseason jitters
Speaker 1: out and he'll be ready to go. Yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna bounce back, especially given the guy that he is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there was no one more upset
Speaker 1: than Shan Lee himself. So I'm sure he did everything
Speaker 1: he could throughout the week to make sure that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be playing better, better in this upcoming game. There's
Speaker 1: not I don't think there's another guy on this team
Speaker 1: that I believe more when he says something like that
Speaker 1: than Sean Lee. Because in the in the locker room afterwards,
Speaker 1: he was very upfront and against one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I respect him so much as a player is good game,
Speaker 1: bad game. He was there to take the questions and
Speaker 1: always like he was like, look, I didn't play well,
Speaker 1: I didn't play well enough tonight. That'll get corrected. I'll
Speaker 1: go in this week, I'll get myself ready, I'll be
Speaker 1: better next week. And I believed him. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing about Sean is history says that yeah, he might
Speaker 1: have a bad game here or there, but he does
Speaker 1: correct the ship, and so I personally believe this is
Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready to go. It's something I get
Speaker 1: into with fans all the time. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: fans expect these players to just be agonized about it
Speaker 1: from the moment the game is over until the time
Speaker 1: the next game kicks off, and like you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to have any fun if you didn't play any well,
Speaker 1: like don't go to the Beyonce show, Like don't don't
Speaker 1: smile on Instagram, like you know, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, Like and that's ridiculous, like peep players or
Speaker 1: people too. Just because you had a bad game doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you can't live your life. But Sean Lee is
Speaker 1: that player like Shaun Lee, won't be happy about anything.
Speaker 1: It's not a pleasant week in the Lee house. It's
Speaker 1: no I've actually I interviewed his wife a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago for a story I did when he was
Speaker 1: nominated for Walter Peyton Man of the Year, and she
Speaker 1: was like, weeks after losses or like bad games on
Speaker 1: his part, it's just it's just it's a dicey it's
Speaker 1: a dicey time in the household. Like he I mean,
Speaker 1: he takes this stuff seriously. If you watched All or Nothing,
Speaker 1: I mean he's watching tape of bad plays like the
Speaker 1: day that of the exit interviews, Like he's that guy
Speaker 1: everybody else's going home. He is all he is all
Speaker 1: consumed and that's yeah. Like I'm not worried about him.
Speaker 1: He'll he'll bounce back. I need a way larger sample
Speaker 1: size of him playing poorly before I'm worried about it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this about the defense though, my biggest concern,
Speaker 1: and if I had to pick one of the two,
Speaker 1: I think that our defense would be the Giants offense.
Speaker 1: I feel really positive about the defense that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are building right now, But where my concern stars is
Speaker 1: how long is that defense gonna be playing out there for?
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing. You keep the defense out
Speaker 1: there too long, That is just a ingredient for fatalu
Speaker 1: Although can I point this out, it'll be very different
Speaker 1: than last week from the standpoint that there won't be
Speaker 1: the humidity, there won't be the heat factor. They're playing indoors.
Speaker 1: That does have some bearing on it. I think I
Speaker 1: think last week you started seeing those defensive guys. I
Speaker 1: mean I thought it was about second quarter. But will
Speaker 1: it be indoors? It's gonna be indoors? Are you sure
Speaker 1: because I will put on it that I wouldn't because
Speaker 1: NBC starts calling they want that aerial shot and have
Speaker 1: it open. It's happened too many times before if they do.
Speaker 1: If they do, I will be shocked, and maybe I
Speaker 1: will be shocked. I'm just saying it's based upon the
Speaker 1: humidity and galleries right this time of the year. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's even I don't think it would be
Speaker 1: a chance that I would open that roof. I would
Speaker 1: my decision feel comfortable betting that the roof will be closed.
Speaker 1: The roof like they never open the roof anymore. Okay,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying we have seen it so many
Speaker 1: times these Sunday night. ESPN wants it and Sunday I
Speaker 1: mean they paid billions of dollars to get what they want.
Speaker 1: They open the roof. We've we've had this game a
Speaker 1: couple of times now early in the season where it's
Speaker 1: been really the network asking for is that the internally
Speaker 1: Jerry wants to see you, it's the network asking for it,
Speaker 1: and they remember the billion dollars that that we did
Speaker 1: in a deal like we get. We have played the
Speaker 1: Giants at AT and T in September almost every year
Speaker 1: that I've been here, I think the only time twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: I think that we played them here in October. We
Speaker 1: have the last three years. The roof has been closed
Speaker 1: every single time as far as I remember. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I don't see a scenario where they would do
Speaker 1: that to their own team, let alone, you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of. I just don't think it's. The weather's permitting
Speaker 1: at this time of the forecast accounts for a seventy
Speaker 1: three degrees I kick off, so it's a lot lower
Speaker 1: than I thought it is. Not That's not cool, No,
Speaker 1: not especially not in a stadium like that where it
Speaker 1: gets in and then it's kind of traps the heat
Speaker 1: from all those bodies. I mean, that ain't cool. Seventy
Speaker 1: three yards certainly not hot. Like seventy three degrees is
Speaker 1: not cool for athletic weather, it's not I mean, for
Speaker 1: athletic performance, it's not. Okay, I agree with Derek, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean the only thing about it is if it's
Speaker 1: gonna rain, it might rain, that would be one thing.
Speaker 1: But if it's seventy three degrees and opening. They're not
Speaker 1: opening for seventy three. Okay, Okay, they're gonna yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think it is for your point. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think when I started seeing, you know, what's more important
Speaker 1: than the temperature in the stadium is if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are getting first downs. That's what's way more important. That helps.
Speaker 1: They played a the defense played, all things considered, a
Speaker 1: pretty solid game in eighty five degrees in the humidity,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it took a toll, but they still
Speaker 1: got the job done. I care a lot less about
Speaker 1: the temperature and a lot more about the Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: not being terrible. But if they were able to do
Speaker 1: that in eighty five degree humid weather, what would they
Speaker 1: do in climate control seventy one? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's if they're losing much better, If they're losing time
Speaker 1: with possession, it's not gonna be good no matter what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that offense can
Speaker 1: really make them pay like that. I really don't The Giants, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just talked about their offensive line. We
Speaker 1: just talked about the quarterback. We looked at the history
Speaker 1: of what they've done, offensive talked about like you gotta
Speaker 1: be on your p's and ques to keep that guy. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're out there play series after series after series
Speaker 1: and not getting resting time, that's how eight yard curl
Speaker 1: routes turn into fifty yard touchdowns. I got you. But
Speaker 1: last week again eighty five degrees. Last week they give
Speaker 1: up sixteen points. Potato potito, This is not potato patalo.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to a phone call. Um, we
Speaker 1: do have a phone call here from stand in DC.
Speaker 1: Stand up, Hey, what's going on? Crewey? Hey? I think
Speaker 1: nixt right, Dave, I'm sorry. I think I go to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys game every year, Cowboy Giants game every year,
Speaker 1: and I could speak of at least two times. I
Speaker 1: know the roof has actually been open. What years? With that?
Speaker 1: I definitely know it was the year Romo one at
Speaker 1: the end of the game with Jason Winton. I can't
Speaker 1: remember the other one. But it's been mentioned that we
Speaker 1: didn't have a we didn't have good luck with the
Speaker 1: roof open. But I've actually come away with two wins
Speaker 1: with the roof open. Hey, there you go, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I never remember we got hurt right, yeah, fifteen Yeah,
Speaker 1: before he got hurt a matter of fact, Des got
Speaker 1: hurt that season. That get a game, Yeah, that game.
Speaker 1: My key this week is I think we got to
Speaker 1: get Dak's confidence rolling early. I think we got to
Speaker 1: do some of that RPO stuff early, like get him
Speaker 1: moving where he can get his confidence and also slowed
Speaker 1: down the Giants when they're not going to come as hard,
Speaker 1: because I noticed that's what we did with Cam last week.
Speaker 1: We came at Cam hard and in the second half
Speaker 1: when we kind of rushed in our lanes, we controlled
Speaker 1: them in that second half. But I think we got
Speaker 1: to get Dak on the move with some RPO, roll
Speaker 1: them out and gets a lot of these crossing routes
Speaker 1: like Gallapad last week and Beasley. I think that that's
Speaker 1: how bread and butter to get them going early. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I mean I don't know that the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you guys can answer this. The Cowboys. Have they really
Speaker 1: done a lot of RPO stuff with Dak. I haven't
Speaker 1: really seen a lot of that. I mean they've done
Speaker 1: some when he's been successful, they did a lot more
Speaker 1: movement and getting him out of the pocket. If that's
Speaker 1: what the call is saying, and I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I think I've done in some ways to do that.
Speaker 1: It's it's probably a good thing. First of all. At
Speaker 1: this point, RPO has just like I mean, they were
Speaker 1: calling play action passes RPOs the other day. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's taken on a life of its own.
Speaker 1: It definitely has a place in the game, and I
Speaker 1: think most teams probably do it. I mean, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: right now, like one of Dak's best plays is a
Speaker 1: read option RPO with a slant to Beasley, and I
Speaker 1: think Beasley caught three touchdowns off that play last year.
Speaker 1: They coming to my mind most notably is the Chiefs game.
Speaker 1: I think it was their first score and I was
Speaker 1: talking more about last week, Like I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: seem to see much of that last No, I didn't either,
Speaker 1: But they do have it in their offices. Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: I think that they need to call more runs where
Speaker 1: Dak is running the ball, Like I mean that that
Speaker 1: is playing to his strength and that's what we saw
Speaker 1: at a CAM That's what makes him so effective. And
Speaker 1: and get get out of this mindset that this guy's
Speaker 1: a pocket passer. I mean he's not. I mean he
Speaker 1: can he can make plays out of there every now
Speaker 1: and again, but I mean, get him on the move,
Speaker 1: get him running. That makes Zeke so much better if
Speaker 1: you do that. When you have that zone re kind
Speaker 1: of look, it forces the defense to split. It forces
Speaker 1: the defense to, hey, I gotta play my responsibilities, which
Speaker 1: means I can't help over there. I gotta make sure
Speaker 1: I'm handling this responsibility over here, and the same thing
Speaker 1: on the other side. And so it does give you
Speaker 1: a few more opportunities that if Zeke can break a tackle,
Speaker 1: now he's off to the races. And that's what using Zach,
Speaker 1: I mean, start using a Dak Moore gives you that
Speaker 1: that kind of look. The thing that concerns me, and
Speaker 1: we talked about it when we were reviewing the game,
Speaker 1: is just they gotta they gotta find a way to
Speaker 1: mix it up enough to where teams don't necessarily see
Speaker 1: it coming. Because I asked Jason Garrett about it too.
Speaker 1: Is you know those those waggles that they like to run.
Speaker 1: They love those plays where they get Dak moving out
Speaker 1: of the pocket and he's just got an easy throw
Speaker 1: right in front of them. The Panthers were all over
Speaker 1: that stuff on Sunday, like they had a guy in
Speaker 1: his face. The whole point of the play is that
Speaker 1: you have the option for the easy throw or you
Speaker 1: can run the ball, and that running option was taken
Speaker 1: away immediately. And I think the answer to that is
Speaker 1: probably to make defenses stay honest by giving the ball
Speaker 1: to Zeke a little bit and by having again, however
Speaker 1: you want to scheme it up. I think Dak needs
Speaker 1: to be more of a threat as a runner to
Speaker 1: open that stuff. Here's where I don't understand is and
Speaker 1: again it's only been one game, but in the past
Speaker 1: we've seen how good Dak has been running the ball
Speaker 1: and just figuring out when it is the good time
Speaker 1: to run, and also making throwing a pass in the run.
Speaker 1: So how do you go from having that and then
Speaker 1: it kind of disappeared? I mean I would be expecting it.
Speaker 1: You keep building up from that, and if anything, his
Speaker 1: confidence is just going to get better because he has
Speaker 1: already been doing that. So that's something that I'm still
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in this upcoming game, But as
Speaker 1: far as that first game, I just I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to get my head around how that just basically just disappeared.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phone line. To get another call.
Speaker 1: This one's from Lynn in Oklahoma. Lynn, what up? How
Speaker 1: are you guys? That I'm doing great? I was just
Speaker 1: uh noticing on the game last week. Every time, well
Speaker 1: if the Snacks does what uh what's I lost a
Speaker 1: guy's name? The defensive tackle would always get into Williams
Speaker 1: and push him straight back. Looney was always going mainly
Speaker 1: to the right, and he needs to kind of help
Speaker 1: out just the least the initial uh contact, to help
Speaker 1: Williams out a little bit on on that uh, because
Speaker 1: he's getting shoved right back into into Zack or Dack
Speaker 1: and uh. Uh. Also the second thing, I never saw
Speaker 1: him so one wheel route to to uh zeke or yeah,
Speaker 1: and everything was just in the flat. He never didn't
Speaker 1: get down field at all. And that was just two
Speaker 1: observations that I had on the game. Uh, talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit, all right, Thanks for the call.
Speaker 1: Coan short is who he's talking about, knocking Connor Williams
Speaker 1: back and Joe Looney helping him a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that which you know he meant. He said Snacks
Speaker 1: at the start of the call like another tough challenge
Speaker 1: this week, although a different style of tackle and I
Speaker 1: am a team now right. I'm interested to see we
Speaker 1: can get into that tomorrow. But it's a new scheme,
Speaker 1: so he's he's playing a bit of a different role,
Speaker 1: but going to be doing a lot of the same stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many more times I
Speaker 1: can complain about not throwing the ball to Zeke enough
Speaker 1: and in enough creative ways. But it's definitely it's not
Speaker 1: something we've seen that's you're absolutely right to the caller's point, like,
Speaker 1: and what's frustrating is that you go back to training
Speaker 1: camp and you see Zeke doing some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I remember, you know they did they did a team
Speaker 1: that we're doing that all the time, and they exactly
Speaker 1: they did a team period where they threw the ball
Speaker 1: to Zeke three times in a row in three different manners,
Speaker 1: and all of it was stuff down the field, not
Speaker 1: yards downfield, but six seven, eight yards over the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, running across the formation. And you get
Speaker 1: to the game and it's all stopping the flat and
Speaker 1: look for the ball or a swing pass or just
Speaker 1: I don't know, just to be better. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know how many more ways
Speaker 1: I can say it. Yeah, and it's simple better. It's
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, at the end of the day, he's
Speaker 1: just he's got to be better. I think he's got
Speaker 1: to be better than he was last week, which I
Speaker 1: think he will be. He's just working himself into form.
Speaker 1: But they also got to find some ways, some more
Speaker 1: creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, so let's go ahead and let's go and
Speaker 1: call it a show. We'll be back tomorrow at eleven.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not expecting that now. We'll be back
Speaker 1: at eleven forty five tomorrow. We'll get into the Giants
Speaker 1: defense versus the Cowboys offense. There's a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about there at defense is pretty pretty good, Jeff something, Yeah,
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