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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death Presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, Welcome to this week's external exam on mother

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Speaker 2: Knows Death. Today's guest is Mary Roach. So I wanted

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Speaker 2: to tell you this. In two thousand and seven, I

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Speaker 2: was in pa school learning how to do autopsies and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I was on my school break and I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I need to read a book that's for pleasure. But

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Speaker 2: I'm a scientist, I'm a Doyork, so of course I

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Speaker 2: wanted to read something that was about death, right, And

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Speaker 2: I came across your book, Stiff, and I read it

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Speaker 2: on the airplane on the way to Vegas with my friends,

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Speaker 2: and I just can't believe that fifteen years later, I'm

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Speaker 2: talking to you right now. It's just such a crazy world.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's hilarious. I'm sorry you had to read it

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Speaker 3: on an airplane because you believe there's a chapter about

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Speaker 3: the forensics of airplane crashes.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, just working in this field, I think that I

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Speaker 2: am completely scared at all times of everything. And it's

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Speaker 2: funny in this book, Gulp, you were talking about how

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Speaker 2: hot dogs are. The Academy of Pediatrics or whatever said

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Speaker 2: that hot dogs are one of the deadliest things for kids.

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Speaker 4: And when I was.

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Speaker 2: When I was rotating at the Medical Examiner's office, we

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Speaker 2: had this case of this kid that was like three

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Speaker 2: and one of the people that were a neighbor that

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Speaker 4: And I mean, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, same shape as the windpipe exactly.

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Speaker 2: But you don't I think if you're a regular person,

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Speaker 2: you don't really think about stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: And the guy's just like, oh, your kid, you want

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Speaker 4: a grape? And then and then it was the neighbor's

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Speaker 4: kid that died. Like how horrible is that?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you don't ever recover from that. Imagine the guilt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: nobody knows. I didn't know until I somebody told me

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Speaker 2: So you're probably much like me that you're constantly freaking

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Speaker 2: out about stuff that you never knew about until you

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Speaker 2: started doing research on it.

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Speaker 3: I know too much, Nicole, not nearly as much as

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Speaker 3: you do, though, No, I see everything.

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Speaker 4: You definitely know more than me, trust me. I've read

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Speaker 4: your books, your no no.

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Speaker 2: I guess my first question is going to be the

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Speaker 2: one that you probably hear all the time. I know

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Speaker 2: that when I get interviewed, people always say have you

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Speaker 2: always been obsessed with death? And I'm like and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: I haven't. Actually I wasn't like some goth like eight

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Speaker 2: year old, you know what I mean. But I've always

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Speaker 2: been interested in how things work and breaking down things.

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Speaker 2: And I'm assuming that you're the same way. So what

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Speaker 2: made you decide or not necessarily decide, or how did

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Speaker 2: you fall into You were going not become an official

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Speaker 2: scientist where you go to a lab every day and work,

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Speaker 2: and you were going to research about it and write it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't take science in high school or college. I

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Speaker 3: for nothing. Well I shouldn't say nothing in the lights,

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Speaker 3: That's so cool? So I wrote for them for a

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Speaker 4: That's really cool?

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Speaker 2: So I guess when you posted articles with that content,

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Speaker 2: it got a big response obviously, because people are into

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, don't talk about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, and you know, I think there's a a

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Speaker 1: It was appealing to people, you know, it appeals to

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that you talk about that because that was

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, you're in much greater danger driving to

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, because you're because I'm a person that has

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Speaker 2: That's what happens, all right, So getting into gulf. But

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing that made me fall in love with

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Speaker 3: And he's a very good store.

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Speaker 3: We have the line I have this line that I

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Speaker 3: And I said, I think my husband is an executive producer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's It's cool because I I feel like

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Speaker 4: My husband's a firefighter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well the research for packing from Mars I

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Speaker 3: So it's it was gonna say. Then'll go finish your question.

437
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Speaker 2: Okay, I was just gonna ask you, like, well, because

438
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Speaker 2: this is probably what you're about to say, Like, while

439
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Speaker 2: you were researching this book, was there one part of

440
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Speaker 2: the GI system that in particular made you.

441
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Speaker 3: Like, uh, yes, it's the mouth, for sure. Is the

442
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: mouth that it? And I'll tell you this wasn't for Gulf.

443
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: It was years and years ago. I was reporting a book.

444
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Speaker 3: I was at this place, Hilltop Labs, where they test

445
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: products that combat odor, like deodorants, douches, cat litter, and mouthwash. Okay,

446
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: this is this is their little niche. They're in Cincinnati,

447
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: or there used to be. I don't think they're there anymore. Maybe,

448
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: But anyway, I asked the guy who the main guy

449
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: at Hilltop Labs. I said, what is the most disgusting thing?

450
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: Because we were looking in the fridge. You know their

451
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: fridge is full of really rank stuff. I said, what's

452
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: the most disgusting thing in here? What's the most disgusting smell?

453
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: And he did not hesitate. He said, oh, hands down,

454
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: incubated saliva. The smell, the smell of I mean, it's

455
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: like bad breath on steroids. You know, it's just a

456
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: really rank smell. But but the tick and then saliva

457
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: has also the well, of course there's two kinds of saliva.

458
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Speaker 3: There is the you know, the the background one and

459
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: the one that's the releast when you're eating. So there's

460
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: there's two different kinds. But regardless, the the the mucous

461
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: element of it, you know, the kind of like you

462
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: know what, okra, if you don't prepare it right, that

463
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: strand that comes up, and if I can't finish my gumbo,

464
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: if this, if there's that it also sometimes there's sort

465
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: of like bubbles on the top that look like the liver.

466
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm done. I love gumbo, but I can't

467
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: eat that. That that mucoid texture is is bad. Yeah,

468
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: it's it's and just and chewing the very the thing

469
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: that we're doing when you think about it, that I

470
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: was thinking about it quite a bit for that chapter.

471
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: You know, what we're doing is, you know, we're taking

472
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: something apart with our teeth and then moistening it with

473
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: the saliva to form a bowlus.

474
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Speaker 4: Which is which is a gros. It's a grossy word.

475
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: I know it should be like a heavy metal band

476
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: opening for Slayer, but it's it's like and I started

477
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: when I'm in a restaurant and there I started looking

478
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: at people chewing of like, oh, you're forming a bulls.

479
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 3: I know what you're doing. It's like picturing it. And

480
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: it became it was kind of like I was like

481
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Speaker 3: almost feeling as though, like chewing and eating is something

482
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: you should do behind closed doors. Not sex, like people

483
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 3: could should have sex in.

484
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Speaker 6: Public and eat, but closed doors, because when you're thinking

485
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Speaker 6: about it, as I was just the the you know,

486
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 6: bringing the bullets together and then the bullet slithering down the.

487
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Speaker 7: Tube and then I don't know it is.

488
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Speaker 3: To me it was somehow worse than the shitting.

489
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Speaker 4: You know. What's interesting too.

490
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Speaker 2: This is like a side note, but another argument that

491
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: I always have is that with health insurance and stuff like,

492
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: your teeth are typically not covered. And every time I

493
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: go to the dentist, it's like a thousand dollars for something,

494
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: and that's why it's not covered, and it's what it's

495
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: like the first part of your digestive track, like you need.

496
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: It's like if it was your esopha guess it'd be

497
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: like five dollar copay.

498
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Speaker 4: But here it's it's it's just like that. I don't

499
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Speaker 4: understand it. I can't it.

500
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Speaker 3: It is unbelievable to me. That also vision, if you know,

501
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 3: if you're like me, I'm like twenty one thousand, I mean,

502
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: I'm lined without my contact So if I couldn't, if

503
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't afford to have corrective lenses, I'm that'd be dead.

504
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: You can't yeah anything. And and but because you know,

505
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: because everybody ends up meeting a significant amount of dental work,

506
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: it's just they're like it's too expensive, we're not going

507
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: to do it. But they've created this thing like, oh, dental,

508
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: that's different. That's not part of it. It's like, what

509
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: do you mean that's not part of it. It's the

510
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: beginning of your gas testinal system. I mean, it's the

511
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: beginning of your elementary system. It's it's like you said,

512
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: so important, and it's not covered.

513
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: I know it may like I can see like veneers

514
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: and stuff obviously bleach like cosmetic stuff, but I have

515
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 2: like a hole in I filling in a hole in

516
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: my tooth, and I keep biting my cheek so bad,

517
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is when I eat, you know,

518
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: so I need it fixed for eating. It's I don't

519
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 2: care about it otherwise. I actually excited him sometimes just

520
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: like pull the tooth out, but then he says.

521
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: Oh, you'll teeth or get croaked and this, you know,

522
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 4: But that's just a side note. One another cool thing

523
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Speaker 4: I know.

524
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: It is it's and the other thing with that, if

525
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: you have any problems with your jaw, that's a musculo

526
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: that's part of the muscular skeletal system that you know,

527
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 3: the TMJ, the tempo Manda Viller Joy. Yeah, but because

528
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: it's near it's they call it part of the mouth.

529
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: So they don't cover that.

530
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's don't cover that.

531
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: It's incredibly expensive the things that people do for jaw disorders,

532
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: and they'll know that's a that's dental. Weait don't cover that.

533
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: And even like Peridonald sometimes too. It's another thing. And

534
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: that's like really actually one of my friends Lindsay doctor

535
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Speaker 2: Lindsay fitz Harris, I don't know if you're she just threw,

536
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: oh yeah, she's awesome her In her book, she was

537
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: talking a lot about how the soldiers a lot of

538
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: their problems stemmed from paradonal disease and how it could

539
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: be systemic if you get bacteria in your blood and

540
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: and it's.

541
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: It's crazy that they don't they don't pay.

542
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: Heart infections. Yeah, on the valve. The bacteria colonizes the

543
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: valve of the heart and you getcarditis. I mean, yeah,

544
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: it's insane that that's not covered. But you know, it's

545
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: all bottom line money.

546
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: That's what everything is. Yeah.

547
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: Every week on Mother Knows that we talk about all

548
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Speaker 2: of these different stories that relates to posts that we

549
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Speaker 2: have in the Grosser Room. And I think you guys

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554
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Speaker 2: We have thousands of posts, pictures, videos over the course

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Speaker 2: If you have an interest in any particular topic, you

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561
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Speaker 2: flag and that is called damage by decoration. But you

562
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565
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569
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Speaker 4: So one of the cool things I learned in your book.

570
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Speaker 2: So when I let me tell you this story and

571
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. When I first

572
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: started working in the lab when I was like nineteen,

573
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Speaker 2: I go in there and they don't clean.

574
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: The labs a lot.

575
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: So some of the stuff there is has been there

576
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: since like the thirties or the forty, you know what

577
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean. Like nobody goes in and takes signs down.

578
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: And there were signs in the lab that said no

579
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: pipeetting by mouth, and I was like, who the hell.

580
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: I mean this was in like two thousand, so I

581
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: was like, who would pipet by mouth? That's disgusting, right,

582
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: And then some of the old heads that worked there

583
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: that were like getting ready to retire, because I was

584
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: nineteen and there was people there that were like almost seventy, right,

585
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 2: they said, oh, yeah, we used to cut pipe pet's

586
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: like a straw basically that you use a bulb to

587
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: suck it up. But they're like, yeah, we used to

588
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: do it with our mouth to suck the urine up

589
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: and like put it into test tubes and stuff.

590
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Speaker 4: And I thought that that. I was like, well, what

591
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: if you get it in your mouth? And they said, well,

592
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: do something like that. That's how it was back then.

593
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that it's in your book. You were talking.

594
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: About like doctors actually tasting urine and stuff to check

595
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: for this smell.

596
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

597
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the urine would have a sweet taste.

598
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: Right.

599
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: It's been a while since I looked at the book,

600
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: but there was, Yeah, it was. Physicians were much more

601
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: sort of involved with their senses smell and taste, and

602
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: because there were fewer diagnostic tests that you could order

603
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: or send to the lab, they relied much more on

604
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: their on their senses. Yeah. That was amazing to me. Yeah,

605
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: that they would taste things and smell things. Yeah, I

606
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: don't It becomes part of your job. And it ceases

607
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: to be strange or gross.

608
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Speaker 5: You know.

609
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Speaker 3: I remember me the only time I've ever gagged and

610
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: had to leave the room because I was about to

611
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: throw up. The only time was not anything from any

612
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: of my books. It was I'm friends with Judy Melanick,

613
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Speaker 3: who she's in New Zealand now. She was a medical

614
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: examiner here at Oakland. Okay, yeah, yeah, and she has

615
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: a she does a lot on TikTok. But she said

616
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: that she kind of made it a personal goal of

617
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Speaker 3: hers to make me gag. I think because one day

618
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Speaker 3: she goes, she goes, wow, yeah, I've got a couple

619
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Speaker 3: of interesting specimens of the more today. Why don't you

620
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: come over? And they were there was two people who

621
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Speaker 3: had been found after weeks and it was summer, I

622
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: would say, maybe after about a week, and it was,

623
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Speaker 3: you know, a hot time in summer, and the that

624
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: smell when she opened up that particular very bloated green specimen,

625
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: I was just completely overcome and had to you know,

626
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: it was had to leave the room. She's just she's like, what,

627
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: it's not that bad. She goes, it's so different than

628
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: a diaper, Like, it's definitely different than a diaper. So

629
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Speaker 3: she she but for her it was just but I'm

630
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 3: sure for you, I it's you're just used to it.

631
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

632
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Speaker 2: I remember the first time I smelled it, and I

633
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: was because I went to the medical Examiner's office for

634
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: I had to rotate there while I was in school.

635
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: And when I you know, every time I was there

636
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 2: was the main part of the office and the morgue

637
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: was downstairs, and when I walked down the stairs, I

638
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck is that smell? Like, it's

639
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: just it's not poop. It's just like dead fish poop.

640
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: It's like every worse smell you're in, like all mixed together.

641
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 7: Yeah.

642
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: No, yeah, And when you multiply that, you know when

643
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: it when it's suspec when it's a body that has

644
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: been fully like the peak of future faction, that is

645
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: really and then and also sometimes it would be mixed

646
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: with the person that's been drinking fast amounts of alcohol.

647
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: There was that kind of sweet, sickly alcohol smell mixed in.

648
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: It was really intense and really.

649
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: But it's funny because you do get used to it.

650
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: And if you're if you're ever walking down the street,

651
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: and even if there's like a rat dead on the

652
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: side of the road. You will instantly smell it now

653
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: and you will be like, something's dead near me. I

654
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: don't know what it.

655
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: Is, but I sell it. It's just so specific.

656
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: But then by like I was at the Emmy's office

657
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: for a whole summer, so obviously we had decomps every

658
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: day in Philadelphia, right, but yeah, just like it was

659
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: every day there. But by the end of the summer,

660
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: I was like eating lunch down there, pud Ever, and

661
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: then gets back to my next topic, because you were

662
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: talking about you had a whole chapter about like talking

663
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: eating organs and stuff. And yes, when I first started

664
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: doing autopsies, I couldn't eat ribs for a while, like

665
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: they looked way too much like like barbecue spare ribs,

666
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: the fascia. Really that's like, yes, I can't know, but

667
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: organs I still can't do. They have a very specific

668
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: smell and a very specific look.

669
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 4: And yeah, I like how. I like how you said

670
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 4: that people are are weird about.

671
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: Eating organs because it almost makes them feel like they're

672
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: like an animal, like an animal, like not we're not

673
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: like them, kind of, you know, we are like them,

674
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: right right?

675
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: I mean I think the supermarkets and the purveyors of

676
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: steak and cuts or you know whatever roasts. They do

677
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: a good job of making it, of divorcing it from

678
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: the creature it came from. You know, it looks like meat.

679
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't. It doesn't have the same shape. It doesn't.

680
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: It just doesn't look a little yeah the chicken lying

681
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: that looks like a chicken leg. But anyway, it just

682
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: makes it easier to to deal with than organs are.

683
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: On the other extreme of that, they're very much you know, hey,

684
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: that's that's the thing I have inside me.

685
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get grossed out. Like even last night,

686
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: I put a chucked roast into the instapot right it

687
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: was rall. I just threw it in and then when

688
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: I opened it, I had to shred the meat. And

689
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: just seeing like the the bundles of I could see

690
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: the like vascular comp like.

691
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 4: I can't I can't turn it off.

692
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: And then I saw the fashion and the bundles, and

693
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: I was like, I like barely ate it.

694
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I try to turn it off

695
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 4: so bad, but it's just hard.

696
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No. I remember as a kid my mom,

697
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: I don't know she we didn't have much money when

698
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: I was a kid. And my mom would buy pretty

699
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: cheap cuts of meat, and there was one and I

700
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 3: remember I could see the vein in the like coming through,

701
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: and I was just so skin I know I'm supposed

702
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: to be here.

703
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: I know it's weird, right, like you have no problem

704
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: eating it, And then I'm better like eating meat than

705
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't like preparing raw meat too much. But chicken

706
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: doesn't look anything like us, you.

707
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: Know, exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly.

708
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

709
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I had tongue. It was well,

710
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: I was heading down to an article on this ship

711
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: and they made tongue. They didn't tell they didn't say

712
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: what it want. This is why would they, you know?

713
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is really good. It's really tender.

714
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: I like it. What is it?

715
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 7: Goes?

716
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: Oh, it's tongue langua. And then suddenly I was like,

717
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: I think I can feel the taste buds, but taste

718
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: buds like you great completely ruined it for me. Oh

719
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: a minute ago, I was really enjoying it.

720
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's how it is. You're just like, don't

721
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: tell me. Because one of the girls I used to

722
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 4: work with, she was from China and she would make

723
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: dumplings all the time. And I was like, yo, dude,

724
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 4: how do you make these? They're just so good? And

725
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: she she's like, oh, I just put leaks or whatever.

726
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: And then I ate it and she goes, you ate

727
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: brain afterwards, and I was like, I never would have

728
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: been eaten it, but I.

729
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Was like, really good, yeah, yeah somebody, and yeah, I went.

730
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: I was on a book to her Japan and my

731
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: hosts took me to a restaurant and they go, this

732
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: is really good. And I go, oh, is that my

733
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: po tofu? And she goes, well, so similar, and I

734
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: had it and then they I said, so, well, what

735
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: was it? And she said that was cod semen?

736
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 5: Is yeah, you just you just want to know you

737
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 5: don't want to eat any any semen from any animal,

738
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: all right.

739
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: So the last thing I want to wrap it up

740
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: with is that we have a mutual friend, Michelle. And

741
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: one of the things that Michelle and I have always

742
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: bonded with was our poop stories.

743
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: And she, I mean, she's hilarious.

744
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: She has she has openly said that she has shipped

745
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: outside all the I mean, I don't even know if

746
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: she's told you all this stuff. But she has a

747
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: really bad problem with getting diarrhea, and just like having

748
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: to go right then and there.

749
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 4: And my mom is the same way. Actually, she's probably.

750
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: My brother has the kroons. It comes and goes. He's

751
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: oh really, he's okay right now, but for a while

752
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: he's like twelve times a day.

753
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, crones is so terrible. It looks so painful.

754
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's horrible.

755
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, my mom My mom has it too, and

756
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: she drives us not with it. We call it colon

757
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: blow actually, but.

758
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: My ibs, yeah, what's the other one? The sheriitable bowel

759
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: and in flammabastic colonly Yeah, pastic colon is she and

760
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 3: she called it that anyway, I don't know, Yeah, I.

761
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 4: Think it would probably fall under that umbrella of of that.

762
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: And it's funny because it drives my dad not because

763
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: they'll be driving over here and then like she he

764
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: has to stop at a gas station or something because

765
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: she'll And Michelle's kind of the same way.

766
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's it's I don't have that, but

767
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: I can't imagine. You're there's a certain level of anxiety

768
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 3: that comes with that, you know. In terms of traveling,

769
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: My brother used to love to travel, and for a

770
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: while there he was like, what happened.

771
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I when I had it really

772
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: bad when I was in my twenties and then it's stopped.

773
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is attached to nerves.

774
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: And you know, I had like a shady boyfriend, shitty

775
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: literally shitty boyfriend at the time. But yeah, So I

776
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: was going to ask you if you had any embarrassing

777
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: poop stories, but you would feel comfortable talking about that, Like.

778
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: I would definitely feel comfortable talking about them. But I'm

779
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: trying to think if I, oh, okay, So I was, well,

780
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: it's traveling. I was doing a story in the Amazon,

781
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: and one of the things I was traveling with it

782
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: anthropologist who was studying the socio economics of murder and

783
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: how it and it doesn't matter what. We were going

784
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: house to house in way out, and they would give

785
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: you this bowl or chicho, which is a salima fermented

786
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: manioca believe anyway, I know, it's really rude. You had

787
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: to take a sip, you know, because they bring it

788
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: to you as you came in the house, and I

789
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I like kept spitting it. He said,

790
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: Now you know, the savvy chicha drinker isn't worried about

791
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 3: the spit. They're worried about the unfiltered and well watered,

792
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: so you probably will will yet sick. I was like,

793
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: oh great, thanks, So I made it through the time

794
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 3: I was there. But then as I was just arriving

795
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: out leaving the jungle. Fortunately I left it because I

796
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 3: never would have made it to the outhouse, so stay

797
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: in a hotel and I it was so bad that

798
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: I because I would wake up and I was afraid

799
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to make it to this bathroom. So

800
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: I slept in a big fifty bag plastic bag. I

801
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: pulled it up around me. I didn't ship the bed

802
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: because it was one of those things where you're like

803
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: shitting and puking at the same time. And then even

804
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: with the fifty bag, well they did. I protected the

805
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: bed and I hadn't spare them underwear that I didn't

806
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: quite make it in time, so they were a little

807
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: bit soiled. So I was like Jesus, I was too

808
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: embarrassed to leave them in the trash, so I just

809
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: threw them out the window and they caught in a

810
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: tree branch. Oh my god, I can get but I

811
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: just still remember they were green underwear.

812
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

813
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: Brown Patch, the tree.

814
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: I think that's what's the greatest part about being human

815
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: is that any person, no matter what, has the story,

816
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: especially just like as you get older, you're like the

817
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: stories come more and more frequently.

818
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: And I'm so envious of people.

819
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you seem like you overall have like a

820
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: good gi So I I do nail actually too. But

821
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: but like when I was younger, it was like it

822
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: was bad. You know, I'd have to just as soon

823
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: as I went into a restaurant like scope out where

824
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: the it and people have a really horrible time.

825
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: No, it's it's it is horrible. Yeah, no, I know

826
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: I've heard stories from people, some people and my husband's family,

827
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: my especially toward the end of his life, my father

828
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 3: in law you know, was like to got it, just yeah,

829
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: scope out? Where is the gos as vathue? And that's disruptive.

830
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: You know, you don't you don't want to have to

831
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 3: be I think that, I mean, I don't know because

832
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: I don't have that issue, but I would think that

833
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: that insecurity is as bad almost as actual shitting.

834
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

835
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: I always say that that the worst surgeries to have

836
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: to get were the worst pathology to have is ones

837
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: that have to deal with your urinary track or your

838
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: digestive track, because it's something you have to do multiple

839
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: times a day.

840
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

841
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: And one of my brother's friends, a young kid in

842
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: his thirties, he just had ulcerat of koalitis and how

843
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: to have his tire colon removed. And while it was good,

844
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: like he had to get a bag, which he just

845
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: got reversed. And he didn't want the bag because it

846
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: comes with all the other things that come with a bag,

847
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 2: but he just said it was awesome because he could

848
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: go out and like.

849
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no. In fact, I've talked to people for another

850
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: project about that and they're like, it it was great

851
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: to being not I mean, you're just freed from all that.

852
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you have a bag, but you have

853
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: some measure of control with the bag. Yeah, with an

854
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: Austin bag, and you know it's now you're free to

855
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: go where you want and to travel and you control

856
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: now when you change the bag. You know you have

857
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: a system and you know along your need and it

858
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: is freeing. And you know, people always assume, oh my god,

859
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: the worst possible thing in the world could be to

860
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: have warn those bags, But that's that's not the case

861
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: for most people. Yeah, with them, it's actually freeing to have.

862
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: That any anything that has to do with you just

863
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: don't you don't think about it every day. But it's like,

864
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: even when he was healing from surgery, before he got

865
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: the bag, it was like, you have to go to

866
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: the bathroom that day after you just had something sewn

867
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: back together that you have to push through, you know

868
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: what I mean, it's just so's so scary.

869
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 3: No, And then yeah, when you have when you have surgery,

870
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: because my brother here, I'm like sharing my brother's private details.

871
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: We're all friends here, we all talk about all of

872
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 4: our problems, just what he was.

873
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: Talking about, you know, after the surgery, then you can

874
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 3: get strictures from this, you know, Scarry.

875
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: Oh god, Yeah, it's such a mess.

876
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: And then then that creates a sort of self perpetuating

877
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: cycle of blockages and surgery and strictures and more blockages

878
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: and more surgery.

879
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so horrible sometimes. I see because I

880
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: worked not only doing autopsy, but I worked in surgical

881
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: pathology too, and I would just get these colon receptions

882
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: from people that you just feel so bad. You're like,

883
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: these people have been through pure hell and it looks

884
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: it just looks painful looking at it.

885
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, so inflamed and stretched out.

886
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I can't imagine.

887
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: Those were people with medical one you know, it's a

888
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: Hirsts Sprungs disease.

889
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, where they don't have that, they can't there's

890
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 7: no motility on a ladder half, so everything just sort

891
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 7: of files out and stretches the colling out that it

892
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 7: gets really flabby and it doesn't work, and they they have.

893
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: It's horrible.

894
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that actually when you were talking

895
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: about the specimen at the motor because I'm not sure.

896
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure in other countries that still happens

897
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: all the time that you would get because that that

898
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: one is from an older person.

899
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's from I want to say, the early

900
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds.

901
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, so first Sprungs they but now they would diagnose

902
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 8: it and treat it much they I mean, that individual

903
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 8: I think that was you know, untreated over years and years.

904
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

905
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: So that's another reason why because a lot of things

906
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: that we take for granted in this country, and I

907
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: have followers all over the world that send me cases,

908
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: so I know a lot of still what's going on

909
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: and that will stood will still happen in other countries

910
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: that don't have medicine like we have here. Yes, it

911
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: is important to see even that would be super rare

912
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: to see in America, like a nineteen year old, you know.

913
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: But absolutely, or somebody with goiter because now we have

914
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 3: biodized soul.

915
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's lots of things like that, Like you

916
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: still would have believed though, some of the things that

917
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: we do see because people are just in denial. They're

918
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: in denial. There's all different reasons. People don't have money,

919
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: people are scared. They're just scared of doctors. No.

920
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: I think that happens that somebody gets starts to get

921
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: it simper or a condition, and they're scared to learn

922
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: what it is, and that worse it gets the more

923
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: scared they are, and then they just never go and

924
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: they just they're in this very deep seated denial and

925
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: by the time they do get help, it's too late.

926
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that happened.

927
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: A pathologist that I used to work with, she said

928
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: that she worked with another doctor who kept he kept

929
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: coughing a lot, and he thought that he had lung

930
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: cancer and was scared to death and didn't go to

931
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: the hospital and then he ended up dying and then

932
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 2: when they did an autopsy on him, he had TV

933
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: which he.

934
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: Could have treated. Well. No, yeah, it's just like sad

935
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: when you hear stuff like that.

936
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, very sad.

937
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Are you working on any I know you just came

938
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: out with your most recent book has been over it's

939
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: been over a year now that it's been out, right, yep,

940
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: how does that doing?

941
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: And it is?

942
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: Oh, fuzz was but it went really well. Yeah, that

943
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: that book did very well. It was it was great.

944
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure because it's a little bit of a

945
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: departure for me. I'm usually writing about the human body

946
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: or in some capacity, or you know, human bodies in

947
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: unusual circumstances like combat or space. So so Fuzz was

948
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: a was a departure and that I had a lot

949
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: of trepidation and a lot of anxiety. But it was

950
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: well received. You know, it's fun. So I mean it's

951
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: it's still the same sort of booty all over the

952
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: map approach that I seemed to take. But yeah, no,

953
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: it was. It was fun. It's a it's a book

954
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: about people and animals getting in each other's way, human

955
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: life conflict.

956
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's awesome. I think that anything you

957
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: write people are going to be into because it's it's

958
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: your style and that's what they like, your style and

959
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: learning from you because I learned.

960
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: I I mean I have.

961
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: I've been in a GI track, hands in a track,

962
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: and I learned.

963
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 4: So much just because I hear that. Ye really I did,

964
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: I did. I loved it.

965
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: You won't even believe this, but I I don't really

966
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: like to like sit down in the corner and read

967
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: because I have kids and it's always crazy in my house.

968
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: So I put the audio book on and I like

969
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: to cook. I'll be in the kitchen for hours, like

970
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: I homemake a lot of like pasta and stuff. And

971
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: my husband kept walking in the kitchen and he's like

972
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: what the fuck? He walked right in when you were

973
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: talking about like the anal sex stuff or like it

974
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: was like the end with a constantation and all that stuff.

975
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: And he's like what And I'm like, listen, dude, I

976
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: could eat a hamburger hamburger over a dead bye, Like

977
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't. This doesn't really gross me out to cook

978
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 2: and do this. So yeah, it's it's awesome.

979
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: I love it.

980
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: Are you working on it.

981
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

982
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: I'm the same way. It's like every now and then,

983
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: though I see somebody reading stuff while they're I think

984
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 3: twice this has happened while they're eating at a restaurant.

985
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, you are my people, you're eating and reading

986
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: that book.

987
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

988
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: I am working in another book. I'm not really talking

989
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: about it in specifically what it's about, but it is.

990
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: I'm back in the human body.

991
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh that's exciting.

992
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to see what that's going to be

993
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: because I'm like, oh, like, because I love the way

994
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 2: that you broke down the GI track and I'm like, okay,

995
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: she needs to do every single cardiovascular systems, the reproduct it,

996
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: there's just you could do everything now, you know.

997
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 3: It's but so the nervous system in the brain have

998
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: been done so well, you know, Ballar Sacks, David Eagle

999
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: and I've done those so well. The reproductive system gets

1000
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: a lot of there's a bunch of books on I

1001
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: feel like that, you know, the I kind of you know,

1002
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: the elementary canal and the testins and the eating is

1003
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: after that. I think that one, you know, on the

1004
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: bottom seater, I'll do you that. So yeah, I probably so,

1005
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: I think it was was it did something on the

1006
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: heart recently? Yeah, cancer, didn't he do didn't he recently

1007
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: do something on the Anyway, I feel like some of

1008
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 3: those systems have very very veriodite and scholarly minds applied

1009
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: to them, So I might not go there, but I'll

1010
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 3: always figure something out.

1011
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: Well.

1012
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: So nice to have you as an honor to meet you.

1013
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: It's just I'm kind of like starstruck. And yeah, I

1014
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: said to my husband, I was like, she's such a

1015
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: big deal.

1016
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 4: So I'm just so excited that you did this for us.

1017
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: Oh so happy too. I'm so happy to you know.

1018
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: We're two peas in the pod, you and me. So

1019
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: it's it was a natural fit and a really fun conversation.

1020
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1021
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 9: Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,

1023
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 9: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

1024
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 9: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

1025
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Speaker 9: I am not a doctor, and I have not diagnosed

1026
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 9: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

1027
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 9: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 9: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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Speaker 9: on my experience working in pathology so they can make

1030
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 9: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

1031
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 9: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed

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00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 9: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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Speaker 9: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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Speaker 4: Thanks