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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: day Impure normal podcast network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. First, I want to say thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening. Coming from producer Tom. The numbers have been growing.

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Speaker 1: You guys have been sharing the show. I've been receiving

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Speaker 1: dozens of emails from listeners and so many of you

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Speaker 1: have taken me up on the request to join our

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Speaker 1: Don't Die dot com and at the top one of

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Speaker 1: the tabs says Facebook group, So join in you can participate.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I've heard quite often though,

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Speaker 1: is more near death experiences. Yeah. I like them too,

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Speaker 1: really good stories of what people experience when they cross

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Speaker 1: over and thankfully they've come back. So today on the show,

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Speaker 1: we have another experience just for you, because you've asked

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Speaker 1: for it. We have Leslie Lupo and she's trained in

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Speaker 1: psychology and n LP which is neural Lingua stick programming.

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Speaker 1: She's also a long time intuitive therapist and she's the

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Speaker 1: author of the book Remember Every Breath is Precious. Hello Leslie. Hello,

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Speaker 1: They're honored that you contacted me. What is my pleasure?

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Speaker 1: Of course, Leslie? Can you tell us how you got

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Speaker 1: into this wonderful world and what you know about life

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Speaker 1: after death? It all started um in March of I

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Speaker 1: They can get hurt if they roll, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if people know horses, but they're

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Speaker 1: That's maybe ten percent of what it is upstairs, but

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Speaker 1: from within. Leslie, we have to take a quick break

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Speaker 1: and when we come back we'll find out more about

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Speaker 1: your forest. It sounds extraordinary And for those listening, you

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast DAM Paranormal

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Speaker 1: podcast The Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our

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Speaker 1: children to a world of information, experiences, and ideas. It

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Speaker 1: can also expose them to risk. Teach your children the

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Speaker 1: basic safety rules of the virtual world. Our children are everything.

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Speaker 1: Do everything for them. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we're with Leslie Lupo, who was

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Speaker 1: trampled by horses and had a near death experience. Leslie,

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Speaker 1: you were just talking very descriptively about your experience in

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Speaker 1: the hereafter, and you met a beautiful woman and you

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Speaker 1: said something turned off your hope. Can you tell us

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Speaker 1: more about that? What had happened was I had come

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Speaker 1: across an article that was written in honor of some anniversary,

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Speaker 1: or maybe the lady was trying to go for an

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Speaker 1: appeal or get out of prison. But the woman had

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Speaker 1: these three very little, gorgeous baby girls. And I saw

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Speaker 1: this picture of these three little children. My children were

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Speaker 1: three years old and one years old. And you have

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Speaker 1: all that mummy juice, you know when you're looking at this,

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Speaker 1: because oh babies. And then I read the story of

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Speaker 1: this woman who took her children one by one and

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Speaker 1: shopped them because her girlfriends were going out and she couldn't.

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Speaker 1: She was a hype like eighteen year eighteen, and she

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Speaker 1: had three children already. She had a child every year

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Speaker 1: for three years, uh, and all with different fathers, and

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Speaker 1: she tried to make it like someone to come in.

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Speaker 1: And it knocked me for a look that a mother

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Speaker 1: could have a visceral connection to these babies and think

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Speaker 1: of so little of them. And I just felt like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would have taken those children. A hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand people have taken those children. You could have taken

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Speaker 1: them and just given them up for adoption. And I

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Speaker 1: just felt very frustrated when I read that, and I

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Speaker 1: could feel myself just shut down. And then she explained

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Speaker 1: it to me by saying, you know, again, you have

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Speaker 1: to keep your eye in the big picture, and you

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know what their karma is to understand that.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the conversation it was very

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Speaker 1: it was very hopeful. You know, she kept showing me

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Speaker 1: ways to take a breath and keep your eye in

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture. And she also was kind of both

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Speaker 1: string me with just letting me get a feeling of

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got your breath now you can understand

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Speaker 1: that that is sometimes what happens in life. Because I

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Speaker 1: was I was still going back to how could God

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Speaker 1: let this happen? And her answer was basically, God didn't

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Speaker 1: let it happen. Humans let it happen. So you can't

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Speaker 1: blame spirit for this. This is showing that there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that still need to be fixed. Just

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Speaker 1: to be patient and recognize that not one person is

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Speaker 1: going to change at all. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: group effort. And it reminded me of the random acts

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Speaker 1: of kindness, remember when that first started coming out, And

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Speaker 1: she was very very adamant that, like stopping to let

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Speaker 1: someone in. Mind if you've got fifty things and they

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Speaker 1: have one, letting them jump ahead of you, or when

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Speaker 1: we're going down from three lanes to one lane. The

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Speaker 1: more polite people are about letting people in the quicker

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Speaker 1: you get through, rather than the people that race ahead

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Speaker 1: and try to shoulder their way in being polite. Whether

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Speaker 1: they say thank you or not, it was irrelevant. So

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Speaker 1: she kind of reminded me that, and then she also

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Speaker 1: just gave me like the light around her was so intense.

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Speaker 1: And she also told me this was one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite places to hang out because this was the Hall

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Speaker 1: of records, and we call it the Akashak Records, but

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Speaker 1: upstairs they called it the Hall of Records, where everything

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Speaker 1: was new or cutting edge was up there. And oh, no, wonder.

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Speaker 1: I like Encyclopedia so much online, and I spent so

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Speaker 1: much time researching new scientific breakthroughs, you know, whether it's

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Speaker 1: physics or magnetic field or biology or health. I'm always reading.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to keep abreast of what's cutting edge. And

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Speaker 1: so then I finally went out and Mina was waiting

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Speaker 1: for me. So we went over to a smaller building

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Speaker 1: and she said, and now we need to decide, and

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Speaker 1: we had a really long talk. And the interesting thing

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Speaker 1: was it was the first time I began to feel tired.

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Speaker 1: When we were walking over. I could feel tired, which

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Speaker 1: I had never felt before. In fact, I had never

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Speaker 1: felt any negative emotion. I didn't feel fear. And and

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Speaker 1: it's interesting how we have it so hardwired in our psyche,

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Speaker 1: with that reptilian or what they call the animal brain,

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Speaker 1: that fight or flight reflex. How totally you know, it's

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Speaker 1: part of our our dynamics as a human. And that's

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Speaker 1: zero up there. All you have is all the high, happy,

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Speaker 1: loving parts of you, and all of the fear or

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Speaker 1: conquering or competition or all the negativity envy, you know Greek,

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Speaker 1: all they didn't even there was not not even a

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Speaker 1: cork of that in me. So that was like again,

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Speaker 1: that was so joyful. So we sat down and we

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Speaker 1: talked about a few things. Again. They showed me in

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Speaker 1: that little wavy line like when I first got up.

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Speaker 1: They showed me the accident, so I could understand why

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Speaker 1: the horses panicked if they had actually let out the

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Speaker 1: herd boss, Montana was his name, And to be the

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Speaker 1: herd boss of a hundred horses, you've got to be

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Speaker 1: really cranky and mean and tough, and when they come down,

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Speaker 1: all they have to do is put their ears back.

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Speaker 1: And he nipped one of the horses, and that was

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Speaker 1: the horse that screeched, and they all scattered like pigeons

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Speaker 1: on the square, you know, just bolt and I just

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Speaker 1: happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Speaker 1: And then we talked about my decision whether I would

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Speaker 1: what do I do up here and what will I

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Speaker 1: do back there? And the thing that she said I

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Speaker 1: would do it there was really really fascinating to me

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Speaker 1: because it made a lot of sense from some of

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Speaker 1: the people, so many of the people I meet as

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Speaker 1: a therapist. What she explained to me was this that

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Speaker 1: throughout the evolution of human as a bodymine, spirit being,

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Speaker 1: there have been very very very old souls which will

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Speaker 1: incarnate to shift energy and to be teachers. In other words,

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Speaker 1: you could be going talking to the safe weight, who guide,

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Speaker 1: who's bagging your groceries, who's never going to stop doing

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Speaker 1: that for his entire career, and he could be an

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Speaker 1: extremely old soul who's having a nice, pleasant life, but

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Speaker 1: he's just here to ground the energy, whereas other people

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Speaker 1: are teachers. But the thing that's different is those old

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Speaker 1: souls were put into families that supported that. Like the

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Speaker 1: Dalai Lama when he was born, the two months found

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Speaker 1: him from astrology predictions and he saw at the age

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Speaker 1: of sevenies two months walking up, and he ran home

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Speaker 1: and said to his mother, I have to go, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was like six or seven. And his mother supported that,

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Speaker 1: and then he went into a month stery. Well, all

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Speaker 1: he did was learned and trained in the spiritual to

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Speaker 1: raise spiritual consciousness. So Mina said that around the eighteen

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Speaker 1: sixties that the energy had shifted enough on earth to

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Speaker 1: where they started a new program, which was a volunteer program.

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Speaker 1: So if you could picture like a bunch of old

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Speaker 1: souls being around condents and ashrams and synagogues and temples

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Speaker 1: and and things like that, different mosques, you know, different

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Speaker 1: places of learned people that were spiritually learned. The children

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Speaker 1: families that honored that gift of the child. But what

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Speaker 1: they did was they and she showed me kind of

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Speaker 1: a little movie of me doing it where I had

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Speaker 1: a little tiny light about as big as a half

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Speaker 1: a grain of rice, and I was looking over a

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Speaker 1: map where you could see the light being clustered, and

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Speaker 1: I was putting it right in the middle as far

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Speaker 1: away from any light as I could, so that this

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Speaker 1: older soul had to come in. And they were talking

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Speaker 1: about they said, it's like we're bringing light into the shape,

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Speaker 1: not like the shadow side like Young talked about, or dark.

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Speaker 1: It was just a place where there was not light,

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Speaker 1: just people that hadn't been exposed to it yet. But

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Speaker 1: they were totally alone at that point. Um they had

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Speaker 1: to go inside and find that light within. So they

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Speaker 1: may have been born into aggressive, hateful families, they may

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Speaker 1: have been born into fear based, fundamentalist type families, but

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Speaker 1: they were born into families that did not recognize their

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Speaker 1: their soul level and taught them against it. So I

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Speaker 1: call them Houdini kids because Houdini used to be blindfold

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Speaker 1: tied up, put into a bag and thrown into the ocean.

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Speaker 1: He had to get himself out. So these beings, these

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Speaker 1: light beings, had to go inside and find that light

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Speaker 1: within them and say no, this is not right. So

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Speaker 1: for all the children that were born and felt like

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Speaker 1: they landed in the wrong family, that they are not

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Speaker 1: in a superiority way, just like there's no one here

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Speaker 1: for me to talk to about what I'm thinking or feeling,

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Speaker 1: and people tend to squash that out of people. They

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Speaker 1: can terrify you. Um. I remember asking a priest one

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Speaker 1: time that used to come to our house for dinner

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Speaker 1: about the angels I saw, and he said that they're

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Speaker 1: devils because he just thought I was an over imaginative child.

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Speaker 1: And so he took his water and he blessed it

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Speaker 1: and he sprinkled it on me. He said, now, if

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Speaker 1: you're possessed by the devil, your skin will sizzle. And

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Speaker 1: I was terrified, for I think he just thought I

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Speaker 1: was an over imaginative child and he wanted to, you know,

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Speaker 1: put the fear of God in me or whatever he was,

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Speaker 1: and I praised. Oh it worked, and it happened like

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Speaker 1: a week after I had psychically seen a car accident

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Speaker 1: before it happened, and it happened, and then I thought

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Speaker 1: I caused it. So I was was very confused, but

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Speaker 1: I shut down. I just shut off anything that had

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Speaker 1: to do with spirit, and I was about seven or

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Speaker 1: eight when that happened. So people were born into some

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Speaker 1: of them were very loving families, but they just didn't

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Speaker 1: couldn't teach the PhD level of spiritual have been in

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Speaker 1: sixth grade in their evolutionary levels, so they had to

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Speaker 1: find their own light with him. I've had so many

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Speaker 1: people in lectures when I'm doing this lecture come up

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Speaker 1: to me and say, oh my gosh, I always thought

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Speaker 1: it would change. You know, I was looking and then

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Speaker 1: you'll find you know, as soon as you find out,

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Speaker 1: you know, No, I'm okay like You're okay like you,

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Speaker 1: but I'm okay like me. That also brings across the

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Speaker 1: idea that there's many different house to the top of

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Speaker 1: the mountain. And Buddah said, which is a good thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I felt very much alone with my thoughts and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, but now you've got your tribe

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Speaker 1: arounds you, don't you Hell? Yeah, Well I shouldn't say hell,

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Speaker 1: but yes, you are you going to tell me? I

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Speaker 1: have the sneaky suspicion that when you return back to

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Speaker 1: your body, it was only minutes that you were out.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to finish up your your time goes

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Speaker 1: by very quickly. Okay, yeah, say that they said I

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Speaker 1: was born. The guests him it was ten to twelve

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Speaker 1: minutes minimum, probably twelve to fifty maximum. That's a long time, Leslie. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know the weird part is is that if I

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Speaker 1: show my cat scams to neurologists like Evan and other neurologists, yea,

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Speaker 1: I'll look at me and they go, you should be dead,

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Speaker 1: you should be a vegetable, Leslie. We have to take

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Speaker 1: at Paranormal dates dot com. Welcome back to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and we are with Leslie

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Speaker 1: Lupo as she shares her near death experience. And Leslie,

654
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Speaker 1: if you were out from ten to fifteen minutes, you're

655
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Speaker 1: really lucky to be alive. And I was in the

656
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: hospital like almost three months. I mean it was vans

657
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: of head injury, and you know I had to go

658
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: through all that coming back and getting back in my

659
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: life and figuring out how to organize myself because I

660
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: left an agnostic and came back going, Okay, I gotta

661
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: go back to the light. I can't ignore it anymore.

662
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, do you remember making the choice that you

663
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: wanted to come back and be with your kids? And yes, yes,

664
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: we talked about it both ways. And the funny part

665
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: was once I said, you know, I looked at my children.

666
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: They showed me my children, They showed me that the

667
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: things I would do down here, I'd go back into

668
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: my psychology background, which is what I did. But you know,

669
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: when I finally said yes, then they started to stop me,

670
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: and they go on the wait a minute, it's going

671
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: to be really really difficult here and have a few

672
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: years in which you are going to have to be

673
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: very isolated. You know, you're going to have to integrate this.

674
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking a few years. What's a few years?

675
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you're up in infinity with a couple of years,

676
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: you know. And then I made the decision. And then

677
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: finally I came and I went into a room in

678
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: which I was seated, and then I felt like I

679
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: was being compressed, like I was being switched into a

680
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: sausage casing. And Raoul was with me, and I guessed,

681
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: and he stopped the process and he said, remember, you

682
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: don't have to go back. You can stay here. And

683
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: I looked at him, and then I thought of my

684
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: children again, and I thought, no, and what I could

685
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: do to help down here with bringing hope, which was

686
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: my next mission. And I said, no, I can do that.

687
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: I'll go back, And that's when he said to me,

688
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: remember every breath is precious and then I just went

689
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: clunk and hit the ground. What I find interesting to

690
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: Leslie is that your soul stepped out of your body

691
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: before the accident happened, is what he made it sound like.

692
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: Which is that right? Yes? But you know what's interesting

693
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: is I used to work in a nursing home when

694
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: I first got out of college. I had a psych

695
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: degree in me during in gerontology, and there were no

696
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: hospices there. There were so many people. When we would

697
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: call them and say your mother or father dying, they

698
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: would say, call me when it's over. And my motto was,

699
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: no one dies alone on my watch. So I would

700
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: go in and sit with them. And I saw that

701
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: time and time and time again where the soul would leave,

702
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: even though the people were talking. It was almost like

703
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: I could sense it's standing there, joyful and and very

704
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: happy as the body was dying. And sometimes it would

705
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: be two to three minutes. One lady was about either

706
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: nine minutes before I could sense that. And even my

707
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: father died in my arms and my brother's arms. He

708
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: had fallen and we were holding him and I saw

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Speaker 1: his soul jump out and I said, he's dying, don't

710
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Speaker 1: pick him up. And Tommy looked at me and said

711
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: he still talking, and said, no, if he's over there,

712
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: and then like another minute later, my dad passed. So

713
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: I think that the soul. I'm not going to say

714
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: every time, but I'm I'm wondering how often that happens,

715
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: where the person pops out before the accident. Yeah. I

716
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: like the sound of that. Only after witnessing how my

717
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: dad died of cancer and someone had said to me,

718
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: it's because I witnessed incredible suffering, and somebody just said,

719
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's possible his soul left the body, even

720
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: though he seems to be, you know, moving in pain

721
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I was screaming, I was screaming

722
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: my body. I shouldn't say I because I was watching

723
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: it right in my body, and Leslie was screaming bloody

724
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: murder and getting trampled and smashed in biting, you know.

725
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like it was like I was doped

726
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: up out there. I watched me be brutally run over.

727
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: But like I said, it was dispassionate. I couldn't witness

728
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: something like that in this incarnate and have such objectivity.

729
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: It was like, oh well it doesn't count. There was

730
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: no it was like understanding. It's like you get this

731
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: immortal soul understanding of this bigger picture, and it's just

732
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: part of letting go, you know. Um. The other thing

733
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: that I just remembered, which I thought was odd, was

734
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: I was asked when we were talking about the second

735
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: time we sat down Mina and Raoul had asked me,

736
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: do you want to remember this or do you want

737
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: to not remember this? Um? He said that with the

738
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: trajectory that I was going the life I was going

739
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: to go into, they advised me to do it, but

740
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: they also gave me the choice of remembering or not

741
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: not and I we talked about it, and I chose

742
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: to do it. So I'm wondering how many people that

743
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: maybe don't remember were given that choice. Interesting, Yeah, there's

744
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: lots of people. Even my sister met someone who died

745
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: on an operating table but didn't have any experience of

746
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: seeing the light or seeing relatives or whatever. And maybe

747
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's possible that we do get a choice to

748
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: remember or not remember. Huh. Very interesting. Now, how about

749
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: being psychic? Did you find that after you healed? I mean,

750
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: if you went into this being borderline atheists even though

751
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: you had these things happened as a kid that you

752
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: know you had it in there. Something must have been

753
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: magnified that you decided to go into this as a

754
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: career or make it part of your career. Well, the

755
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: thing is, um The first time I shut off my

756
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: intuition or my psychic party you can shut off, was

757
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: when I had that priestom, that accident when I was

758
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: seven or eight. The second time was when I was

759
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: supposed to die when I was twenty one. I was

760
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be with my fiance. We were getting married

761
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: in August. It was like a picture perfect love at

762
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: first sight love and I was supposed to be with

763
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: him in Albuquerque and at the very about ten days

764
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: before he died, I got very restless and I want

765
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: to go back to Chicago and earn as much money

766
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: as I could for school. And he kept saying to

767
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: me that he had premonitions that he was going to

768
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: die and begged me to stay. And he wasn't you know,

769
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: full of game. And here I am working in psychology

770
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: and college, but off campus, I had a Wiccan high Priesis.

771
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I had two medicine people and a West African shaman

772
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: who I was doing apprenticeships with wow opening up, and

773
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: I was supposedly I mean, I say that, but because

774
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it. I was very psychic, and

775
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: I was working with Tarrell and numerology and you know,

776
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: herbs and ceremony and energy and all the stuff, and

777
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything like that in Seawan's aura. And

778
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: I kept teasing him and saying I was going to

779
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: rub his words, his nose and his words when I

780
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: got back at the end of August. In fact, he

781
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: called me two days before he died and begged me

782
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: to come back, and it was midnight because I was

783
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: working two jobs and that's the only time he could

784
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: get me, and he wouldn't hang up, and I hung up.

785
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: And then two days later he dies, you know, And

786
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: it was like I just went on such a tail spin.

787
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: But then when I was upstairs, that made sense because

788
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 1: he and I had come down from the same soul

789
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: group to health facilitate. We had contracted to leave when

790
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: we when I was twenty one, and I and I

791
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: didn't go at the last second, decided to jump my

792
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: contract and stay on Earth, and so all those things

793
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: kind of made sense to me. But when he died,

794
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: it devastated me and I remember, Um, I kind of

795
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: took it out on one of my teachers when I

796
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: came back, because I went on an like a five hours.

797
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: We talked and I kept saying to her, how could

798
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: I not see this? How could you not see this?

799
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: How could you knew him? You know? How could nobody

800
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: see this? He knew it? And she tried to explain

801
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: it to me, and I stayed with her another month,

802
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: working with her. But at the end of the day,

803
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: I just walked away from it and said, it's a

804
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: bunch of you know, Polly, it's a bunch of It's

805
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: a lie. I was faking it, or I was not

806
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: faking it, but I was lying to myself, you know,

807
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: the power of suggestion. I went back into science at

808
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: that point, and that was when I was twenty one,

809
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: and then when I was thirty six is when I

810
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: got run over and I went back into spirit. At

811
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: that point, spent a lot of time in India trying

812
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: to integrate human and spirit, you know, in my brain,

813
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: and just did a lot of soul searching and meditation. Wow,

814
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: thanks so much for sharing that, Leslie. We are coming

815
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: to the end of our time together. Do you have

816
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: any closing words? For us, it's really recognizing. One of

817
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: the things that I always helps me is when I

818
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: look at the bigger picture and watching the news and

819
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: seeing the horrific things that happened, I always go back

820
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: to the day was born and I look at the

821
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: shifts of consciousness that it happened since my birth. And

822
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: there's many and there's another. There are certain different web

823
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: pages online that have optimistic news and their business people.

824
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: They're not like but they show all the positive things.

825
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: Look at the whole picture, don't despare over the small

826
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: percentage of negativity. That's why one of the things I

827
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: do is I always do a world consciousness, you know

828
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: what's going on all over because the good guys don't

829
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: get the headlines. No, I agree. I always thought there

830
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: should be g NN, the Good News Network. In fact,

831
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: there probably is. There's so much good that's happening in

832
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: the world, and no matter what we focus our attention on,

833
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: we're going to find it. So if we're looking for negative,

834
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: yes we're going to find it. But if we're looking

835
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: for positive, we are going to find it. If we

836
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: look at the people in our life, we can easily

837
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: pick them apart, or we can just look at all

838
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: their beautiful qualities and know that they're doing the very

839
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: best job they can with what they have. What a

840
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: great time this was talking to Leslie and for you

841
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Speaker 1: our listeners. Just a reminder, we have lots of stuff

842
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843
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844
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: so many things online. In fact, the beginning of every

845
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: month we start medium classes, psychic classes, something called the

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Speaker 1: Way to Your Spirit, which is just a real nice

847
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848
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849
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: States on Mondays where we can close our eyes and

850
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: blend with the energies where our loved ones live. Very

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Speaker 1: special and of course on Sundays we offer a free

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Speaker 1: there's a medium demonstration included in each and everyone. Our

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