Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the actual episode because we haven't even
Speaker 1: touched on Samantha, which is a very funny and good storyline,
Speaker 1: very funny and good, and I just want to say
Speaker 1: Bobby Cannavale plays the guy here. I think his name
Speaker 1: is Adam Ball, which is also kind of entertaining, and
Speaker 1: I do think he was based. All of our storylines
Speaker 1: are based on some real story that the writers either
Speaker 1: experienced or know of.
Speaker 3: Really, it's too good. You can't make it up now.
Speaker 3: I had to come from a real experience.
Speaker 1: And I had forgotten all I remember. Obviously, funky spunk
Speaker 1: became like quite you know, a big thing, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. I know Bobby. I've worked with Bobby since then.
Speaker 1: We were on Will and Grace together. I don't think
Speaker 1: I asked him, Like before I started doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: it never occurred to me to say to the guys, Hey,
Speaker 1: what was that like for you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I'm dying for Bobby to come on. Bobby, please,
Speaker 1: if you hear this, please come on. He's a great,
Speaker 1: great person, so sweet, such a great actor. But I
Speaker 1: just wonder in life, what was this like for him?
Speaker 1: Like walking around like.
Speaker 3: I was thinking the same thing rushing last night, I guy,
Speaker 3: because obviously we know he's acting or whatever. It is
Speaker 3: a script, but I'm like, I wonder if after that
Speaker 3: people didn't want to blow him because they were like
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 1: He's walking down the road and people were like you,
Speaker 1: I mean, like how mortify and think about that.
Speaker 2: I just figured he would never get another blow job again.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's doing fine. He's with Roseberr and they
Speaker 1: have children. I think it all worked out. Everything's fine.
Speaker 1: I think it's all good.
Speaker 3: In that moment watching I was like, I wonder what
Speaker 3: it was like.
Speaker 2: Why didn't I ask him this when I saw him
Speaker 2: in life? But I think you just I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't have that viewpoint of like what what was
Speaker 1: this like for them? You get to have him on no,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Bobby, you must come, you must come.
Speaker 1: But he's so funny in it because he's not. I
Speaker 1: love his way that he does it, which is like
Speaker 1: you give such good head.
Speaker 2: You know, he's like really into it.
Speaker 1: In such a funny way. And then also so and
Speaker 1: I also love that Samantha takes him and makes him
Speaker 1: drink wheat grass juice. It's really funny.
Speaker 3: It's like, how long does it take for it to
Speaker 3: work its way through the system?
Speaker 2: Half hour?
Speaker 1: I know, But then it doesn't work. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to need more days.
Speaker 2: I think it takes like he needs pineapple. I think
Speaker 2: he needs asaie also.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yea yeah, asae, pineapple, a lot of fruit, right, diet.
Speaker 2: Right, he needs like more alkaline diet. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But the thing that's funny too is
Speaker 2: that then I was a little unclear.
Speaker 1: When she so, So it's kind of a saga, right,
Speaker 1: her trying to figure out this and talking to us,
Speaker 1: and Charlotte gets up and leaves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're very angry. I know you, Charlotte, I know,
Speaker 3: are so.
Speaker 1: Funny, Like of all things, I'm just gonna be like no,
Speaker 1: But I think that's because I'm engaged. I think I'm engaged,
Speaker 1: and I'm like above this now, right, So he's not
Speaker 1: going to die gather it right, So I'm like, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: I've talked so many crazy things with these ladies. But whatever, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get up and go. It was a
Speaker 1: funny moment, but I think it's funny how she wants
Speaker 1: to make it work. She tries to take him to
Speaker 1: get the wheat ress. She tries it again, and then
Speaker 1: I had forgotten that she gives him this huge speech
Speaker 1: about how it is a job and you have to
Speaker 1: think about your jaw, and you have to think about
Speaker 1: your teeth, and you have to think about your tongue
Speaker 1: and men don't know blah blah blah. And I'm also thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you know, all the men watching this are like women
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then she's like, but with the right men, right,
Speaker 3: be fabulous.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, which is also it's all very
Speaker 1: trippy to me. Then I forgot that she makes him.
Speaker 3: Taste it right, but they don't show it like it's
Speaker 3: interested they I don't know how I'm talking about what
Speaker 3: you mean, like you.
Speaker 2: Don't actually you seem no, you don't.
Speaker 4: See the com but you see she puts his fingers
Speaker 4: in his mouth. Okay, okay, okay, And she said, you're
Speaker 4: fine with it.
Speaker 2: I pretend he was fine with it.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, fine with you.
Speaker 1: You know I wasn't there on the day that day
Speaker 1: that they were filming that, right, but you know that
Speaker 1: was like so much discussed that. That's also why we
Speaker 1: need Bobby. We need to hear about the difference takes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and how big of a
Speaker 1: reaction versus how small of a reaction to give.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once you taste your own funky spunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I wonder how many men have actually
Speaker 1: done this. I don't think very many. I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you think. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I doubt it is dying. I doubt it, right, I
Speaker 2: really doubt it.
Speaker 1: But then also Samantha says she's not swallowing, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I would have thought that she was swallowing.
Speaker 3: She seems like a swallower to me. But you know what,
Speaker 3: I gave up swallowing at the age of maybe twenty four.
Speaker 2: Swallowing is hard. I mean, it's rough, man, This is
Speaker 2: what I want to say.
Speaker 3: I don't think that cotton style card it does either.
Speaker 2: You can put it on my face.
Speaker 3: Hard, okay, okay, because it's great skincare, especially if you're
Speaker 3: broken out my stomach, my back. If I want to
Speaker 3: have a baby, do your thing, which I don't want
Speaker 3: to have a baby, I understand, but not in my stomach.
Speaker 3: I just don't feel hard.
Speaker 2: To swallow that stuff. It's hard.
Speaker 3: It's harder about the texture.
Speaker 2: The texture is awful, it's awful, horrible, it's awful. But
Speaker 2: also it's just such.
Speaker 1: An awkward, awkward moment of like do you swallow or
Speaker 1: don't you swallow?
Speaker 2: And what do you do with it if you don't swallow?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, back in my heyday, yes, usually when I would swallow,
Speaker 3: I would chase.
Speaker 2: It with like a shot of vodka. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well that's probably the way to go, that's
Speaker 1: the way to come. I would think, yeah, yeah, see
Speaker 1: i've been sober for too long.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, because I didn't it's sober until twenty eight,
Speaker 3: got it. And then if you don't swallow, I think
Speaker 3: you have to be near a bathroom to like spin it,
Speaker 3: see the toiler rough.
Speaker 1: That's just all very difficult because then it's like an
Speaker 1: ache factor that you need to.
Speaker 2: Go spit it out.
Speaker 3: What I don't a lot calling on an empty stomach,
Speaker 3: though I know.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think that people, meaning men, really realize that
Speaker 1: it's like a very potent, kind of weird thing to eat,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: They should try it so they understand what we go through,
Speaker 2: you know, I do, I do know. But I think
Speaker 2: they would.
Speaker 1: Also say the same, you know about women, not that
Speaker 1: they have to swallow something, but you don't. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say they we don't know yourself.
Speaker 3: Before I know someone's gonna go down there. You know,
Speaker 3: you justirl put it in the mouth.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Thanks, yeah, not too much.
Speaker 2: No, it's really good. What if you don't feel like
Speaker 2: it's up to.
Speaker 1: Par Okay, okay, great? Great, I was gonna I was
Speaker 1: gonna learn something. I was looking to maybe learn some tips.
Speaker 3: I'm very into my vaginal hygiene. I love it like
Speaker 3: I would my skincare routine.
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, oh that's very nice.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for the people who come over my
Speaker 3: amazing housekeepers that keep all of the ducks in a
Speaker 3: row and me feeling like my kids can crawl on
Speaker 3: the floor because they see all of my products that
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're like, what Wow, I'm sure they think
Speaker 3: I do porn or something.
Speaker 2: I feel enough to I don't think that they think
Speaker 2: you do porn. That would be so extreme but you.
Speaker 1: Mean, like maybe they just think that you're really into
Speaker 1: cleanliness with that, you know, I'm an extreme, right, Wow,
Speaker 1: I do feel I need a list of the products though.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm super curious. Now I've got you. Wow, Okay, grant.
Speaker 3: My friends and I like to go back and forth
Speaker 3: with like what they're using. Like my friend told me
Speaker 3: about these these wipes that taste like something.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's good.
Speaker 3: I don't think those are good for me.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're good for you either.
Speaker 3: Like that because I'm also really I'm a weirdo. Okay,
Speaker 3: because I'm it, I shouldn't say I'm a weirdo, Okay.
Speaker 3: I like to read the ingredients. I'm very funny about
Speaker 3: what I put under my arm. Penny too, I don't
Speaker 3: know that I love putting something on my vagina that
Speaker 3: tastes like some flavor, feels no flavors.
Speaker 2: That's strange, and I think that's healthy.
Speaker 3: It's not healthy. But also like when he's down there,
Speaker 3: I don't want him to be like, oh, a.
Speaker 1: Banana, that's weird, that's so weird. No, that's so weird. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's good. I don't think that's good
Speaker 1: because there would have to be something sweet in there
Speaker 1: to make the banana, and then you might get.
Speaker 2: A reaction, you know what I'm saying, or something.
Speaker 1: Boo yeah boo, not worth it, not worth it, worth it, Okay.
Speaker 2: The carry of this.
Speaker 1: When I was watching it, I feel like it's kind
Speaker 1: of a film, you know, like it's a lot, like
Speaker 1: a lot happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love Charles McDougall, who directed it, one of our
Speaker 1: just best. How he uses the camera or how he
Speaker 1: moves the camera like it's so beautiful. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like really really up the game in terms of the
Speaker 1: visuals and the you know, like in the elevator, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: The elevator is amazing. Can I tell you what I love?
Speaker 3: Tell me is when Carrie finally calls big Back and
Speaker 3: he's in the car and it goes from the driver
Speaker 3: but instead of just popping onto his face, it gives
Speaker 3: you like a it's.
Speaker 2: Like a whip around yeah yeah yeah yeah, to the
Speaker 2: back seat. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's really good because cars are hard to filming because
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of space. Right, No, Charles
Speaker 1: is going to figure that out. Charles is going to
Speaker 1: have an idea and he's going to do it. It's
Speaker 1: going to be it's going to take thirty takes, but
Speaker 1: he's going to do it.
Speaker 3: It's the big moment. We watched Miranda listen to this
Speaker 3: message with Carrie over and over again, and she's finally
Speaker 3: decided to call him back. So I take of like
Speaker 3: bigg in the car driving whip around to him, answering, right,
Speaker 3: you finally did you want?
Speaker 2: Definitely? And then he's just such a jerk. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Oh we love the men who are like a little
Speaker 3: bit of like dickish kind of Do you think I
Speaker 3: don't love that you're a hallway, you're a healthy woman.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I've been through it too much, right,
Speaker 1: I mean not this particular version like to me, it's
Speaker 1: so profoundly it like if a man said to me
Speaker 1: after this nonsense that he's put her through, and then
Speaker 1: and he's told her in a drunken moment at a
Speaker 1: furniture show with the.
Speaker 2: Like like through a finch, like what out of my fate? Totally?
Speaker 1: And then you call him back after this like dramatic
Speaker 1: voicemail and you say what is it? And he says,
Speaker 1: I thought about what I said and it would cost
Speaker 1: me too much money. Click, I never speak to that person. No,
Speaker 1: get me out of my fan done, Like, ew, how can.
Speaker 3: You get away from him when he's calling your apartment
Speaker 3: talking to aiden and then coming to where you are.
Speaker 2: No, that's bad, that's stocker ish, it's stockersh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's another thing. When I was watching,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I've had this behavior with a
Speaker 3: man before, and if this weren't a show, this is
Speaker 3: alarming behavior to show up where I am and I'm
Speaker 3: telling you not that I don't want anything to do
Speaker 3: with you, and you continue. You know, of course we
Speaker 3: hear her thoughts, so we know like I couldn't I
Speaker 3: had to sleep with him, and she says, like me
Speaker 3: or whatever. In real life, no, the experiences where it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: this this is a toxic man. He just told me
Speaker 3: he was leaving his wife, then told me he wasn't
Speaker 3: leaving his wife, then showing up to where I am.
Speaker 2: It's the high eyes and yeah, I'm not in the
Speaker 2: grand gestures. Ick.
Speaker 1: Ick. It's hard for me to feel anything but ick,
Speaker 1: though I do feel. I feel that Sarah Jessica, and
Speaker 1: this is like her strength one for many many strengths
Speaker 1: really as an actress, Like things are so real, you know,
Speaker 1: they seem so real and so deep, so like as
Speaker 1: much as I mean, you know, there's part of me.
Speaker 1: I obviously know what's gonna happen, right, and I know
Speaker 1: they're gonna go kissing that elevator, But I'm just like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: I don't like him.
Speaker 2: I know, what are you still liking?
Speaker 1: I mean, they have the chemistry, but she also has
Speaker 1: the chemistry they and you don't. I'm saying she's just
Speaker 1: so good. Though she's so good, and you do feel
Speaker 1: I do intellectually understand the forbidden. You know, I get
Speaker 1: the forbidden, but when he's being an ass, I'm like
Speaker 1: boo on the forbidden. The forbidden doesn't trump that he's
Speaker 1: a jerk, right, you know.
Speaker 3: But what I've learned throughout time is even with friends,
Speaker 3: I'm like, my heart isn't involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell you what. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No. Of course, as an outsider this behavior, I think
Speaker 3: you should run.
Speaker 2: I think it's a world of heartache, right, But you're
Speaker 2: going to do what you want, right, It's true. And
Speaker 2: the other thing is the unfinished business.
Speaker 1: The unfinished business to me makes sense and not saying
Speaker 1: that it's right, because like you're only torturing yourself by
Speaker 1: continuing down the road of the unfinished business that we
Speaker 1: know is a drama, right, Like there's no evidence with
Speaker 1: big of any kind that it's not going to be
Speaker 1: a drama. Right, So, like she's just willingly subjecting herself
Speaker 1: to a drama. But if we do go and say okay,
Speaker 1: we can look at the aid in relationship and realize
Speaker 1: that he doesn't really get at her. He's not really
Speaker 1: completely seeing her. She's not giving herself. But also he's
Speaker 1: not completely seeing even a basic that she works from home.
Speaker 1: When he said, I'm gonna redo your floors, let me
Speaker 1: do this for you a nice lady, what does he say,
Speaker 1: Like a lovely lady deserves a lovely home or something
Speaker 1: weird like kind of traditional journey bean And then you
Speaker 1: know he's taken her whole house apart, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I can't work like this, Like how come he doesn't
Speaker 1: get that?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm trying to say, Let me do this.
Speaker 3: I'll put you up at a hotel because you're gonna
Speaker 3: I'm it's gonna be messy and noisy, right, But also
Speaker 3: we're talking about the guy who like takes her to
Speaker 3: cabins and things like he doesn't get her at all.
Speaker 1: Right, And that to me makes sense in why you
Speaker 1: would be going back to the person who I think
Speaker 1: she felt he got her right even though he was withholding, right,
Speaker 1: like you can feel someone gets you, but then they
Speaker 1: have their reasons that they're withholding that those two things
Speaker 1: can coexist.
Speaker 2: I think so too, right. So I think that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes sense about it when you're
Speaker 1: watching it, other than the fact that you know she
Speaker 1: hasn't finished. You know she's still attached, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And sometimes you can't explain the attachment to.
Speaker 2: Something exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: That's something that is just you can't be described, right,
Speaker 3: And everyone around you is like, make it makes sense,
Speaker 3: and you're like, I cannot make it make sense. You
Speaker 3: have to like live inside of my body, right understanding that's.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, and that that's a really really
Speaker 1: really important thing to remember because you can't ever fully
Speaker 1: give advice without remembering that there is a whole experience there,
Speaker 1: a whole lifetime leading up to it for both people, right,
Speaker 1: and a connection that you're not present for every moment
Speaker 1: of you know, you don't really know what goes on.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's interesting. Relationships are super fascinating, which is
Speaker 1: why the show is good.
Speaker 2: You know, they they.
Speaker 1: Write the difficulties of all of it. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about Stephen Miranda for a second, because y'sah also super
Speaker 1: fascinating relationship that's at a very different place, but also
Speaker 1: like so kind of heartbreaking, right because like.
Speaker 3: Although one that one always devastated me. Well, because I
Speaker 3: just had and I find see very sexy. He's so
Speaker 3: he's sexy.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: I'm still shocked every time I'm looking back. Never did
Speaker 1: I understand this at the time. Didn't understand this at
Speaker 1: the time. I was like, why do they have her
Speaker 1: with him for so long? I know, I'm sorry everyone
Speaker 1: who loves Steve, I love him too now, I just
Speaker 1: didn't fully.
Speaker 2: Appreciate him at the time.
Speaker 1: Right, And Eigenberg is such a good, good actor, Like
Speaker 1: they are so great together. You know, they're so different,
Speaker 1: but yet so also connected and emotionally kind of like
Speaker 1: there's so many layers going on, and I felt so
Speaker 1: bad for her, like she's having to kind of be
Speaker 1: the mom again. And he's sleeping on the couch and
Speaker 1: you know, she's got her cat and he's got his dog.
Speaker 2: And then he.
Speaker 1: Can't find an apartment and she has to go to
Speaker 1: him to that horrible, horrible apartment, which is no, it's
Speaker 1: pretty bad.
Speaker 2: It's horrible, but he said.
Speaker 3: It's not that bad, right right right right the doorway
Speaker 3: to help.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And she's so right. And it's like green,
Speaker 1: which is also weirdful.
Speaker 3: Like it's really bad.
Speaker 1: And any any basement apartment is rough in New York,
Speaker 1: I feel because you are so you feel like you're
Speaker 1: on the street right, like you could hear everyone outside,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Yeah, And like people
Speaker 1: might decide to live on your stoop, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like it's like it's stressful, man, it's stressful
Speaker 1: to have and he even the first floor apartment is
Speaker 1: stressful in my opinion. Obviously I'm very spilled, but but
Speaker 1: you know, like like like that's that's one of my
Speaker 1: issues with New York is the noise. You know, like
Speaker 1: because you're trying to rest, you're trying to get a
Speaker 1: little rest, you know, and one time I did live
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I feel like it was at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the show. I did live in a first
Speaker 1: floor apartment. It was kind of in the back, so
Speaker 1: there was some relief from the streetness of it all.
Speaker 1: But like you really are, so you're like barely removed
Speaker 1: from the streets, do you know what I'm saying? Like
Speaker 1: just one step, like they can't see you, there's a door,
Speaker 1: but I mean they're right there.
Speaker 2: Oh it's stressful. It sounds awful.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I mean New York is great
Speaker 1: in so many ways, but it's just takes a toll,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like challenging. And the fact that I
Speaker 1: mean Steve is so you know, he seems obviously he's
Speaker 1: gonna roll with it. He's like he's like a kid,
Speaker 1: you know. It's interesting, really interesting.
Speaker 3: He's very refreshing to me.
Speaker 2: He is refreshing, And I think he's good.
Speaker 3: For Miranda because I relate to Miranda's her being so
Speaker 3: high strung because that's me, okay, And like when the
Speaker 3: dog is barking at the door and it's four in
Speaker 3: the morning, Oh, and she wants to rip his head
Speaker 3: off because it's like, are you and that feeling of oh,
Speaker 3: I can't get mad at him because he's sleeping through this,
Speaker 3: Like he's off with that girl that.
Speaker 1: I know, and that that also is so painful that
Speaker 1: he just moves on so easily. That's the man for you,
Speaker 1: I know, I know I don't like that. And also
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her. I mean, obviously we know
Speaker 1: more is gonna happen, a lot more is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But like when he leaves, it is it's sad. I
Speaker 2: feel sad, you know, I felt sad. Well, it is sad, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because I think he embraced all of her her quirkiness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was okay, like he never I mean he's
Speaker 1: sad with like he wants to adopt that puppy, he
Speaker 1: wants to have a baby, and then he's said that
Speaker 1: she doesn't want a baby, and then he wants to
Speaker 1: adupt the puppy and then he's like.
Speaker 2: Come on, you know, and she does it.
Speaker 1: But like, on the other hand, he's very in love
Speaker 1: with her, you know, which is nice. It's so nice,
Speaker 1: and it kind of disarms her, which is nice to
Speaker 1: see Miranda be disarmed, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then she gets that she gets that thing
Speaker 1: back up like quickly, really quickly.
Speaker 3: It happens very very quickly. And I but I love
Speaker 3: her because she I love a woman who sees things
Speaker 3: for what they are and names it, calls it out,
Speaker 3: is very vocal that that's who she is. But she's
Speaker 3: also a lawyer. And Steve's actually a really good guy.
Speaker 2: Oh he's a great guy. This is why she attracted
Speaker 2: a really good guy.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, which is hopeful. It's very hopeful. Like I
Speaker 1: think that's why it's sad too, because that there's so
Speaker 1: much hope there.
Speaker 2: But obviously we know that they're going.
Speaker 1: To continue in many different ways. You haven't seen everything
Speaker 1: that happens, I don't think, but you know, many things
Speaker 1: happen many it's hard to keep up with.
Speaker 2: It's true. It's up and down.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I don't remember all of it either because
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot we really pack it in.
Speaker 1: But it's believable. It's believable, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like a soap opera. Yeah, you're like, well
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: No, no one's turning into the devil and thank.
Speaker 2: God, oh god, obviously. Wow, thank god, that's The Days
Speaker 2: of Our Lives. My mom made me watch it.
Speaker 3: It was a snowy day in December, and it traumatized me. Gosh, okay,
Speaker 3: I remember vividly watching Days of Our Lives with that happening,
Speaker 3: So no.
Speaker 2: I s don't remember that. Wow like that.
Speaker 1: Now, we haven't really talked that much about Charlotte because
Speaker 1: one of the things we haven't talked about is Bunny
Speaker 1: Trey's mom, Francis.
Speaker 2: Sternhagen rest in peace. An incredible actress, an incredible person.
Speaker 1: She's just so good. She's so good, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's just so good. And she's very not like this character.
Speaker 2: She really Yeah, she lived in Connecticut, she had land.
Speaker 1: She's been working forever, you know, on Broadway, all different things.
Speaker 1: She would come in and her broken stock and her
Speaker 1: like gardening hat basically like dirty from the garden and
Speaker 1: get made into Bunny, you know. And then she was
Speaker 1: just a sweetheart, just so sweet, but also like not
Speaker 1: precious about anything, just like fun, you know, really really fun.
Speaker 2: And they're so good together, Kyle and she, Trey and Bunny.
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, it is kind of like we've
Speaker 1: just started with that relationship, right, So Charlotte's definitely taking
Speaker 1: it in and trying to learn from her and obviously
Speaker 1: wants her approval and everything. We don't really know how
Speaker 1: weird things you're going to get at this point, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's weird. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I love too is that And
Speaker 1: we'll see when we actually get to those episodes.
Speaker 2: But like, it's the vibe is weird.
Speaker 1: Nothing horrible happens except when she's sitting next to him
Speaker 1: in the bathtub.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 1: But it's like still got the veneer of like, oh
Speaker 1: they're just you know, close quirky, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not too weird.
Speaker 2: No, but the vibe is weird.
Speaker 3: But even because and I don't know if this is
Speaker 3: how it was supposed to play, But when you guys
Speaker 3: are at lunch, the first time Bunny puts her arm on.
Speaker 2: Tray, you clock it with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as it feels weird, it's strange.
Speaker 2: Oh, but then is learning.
Speaker 3: But then the second time it happens, your face shows
Speaker 3: me that you're like, oh, I just learned a little
Speaker 3: bit of a manipulation tactic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, because we've never really seen Charlotte try to
Speaker 1: manipulate anything at this point.
Speaker 2: But you're getting the ring come down. Definitely. That's right.
Speaker 1: I've had the books, I've had this, I've had that,
Speaker 1: I've you know, tried to hang out with my married
Speaker 1: friends whatever. I've tried to do all these different things,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, okay, I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: figure it. Dude out by his mom. Just interesting. He
Speaker 1: knows him best, Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I thought about also.
Speaker 1: Because I've never I had never talked to Kyle about
Speaker 1: any of this until he came on, because back then
Speaker 1: I just was never asking anybody.
Speaker 2: Like what do you think you or whatever? I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, just in it.
Speaker 1: We're in it, right, Yeah, he is, you know, because
Speaker 1: he is Kyle McGlaughlin the actor. And obviously i'd watched
Speaker 1: him on Twin Peaks. I don't know you were you
Speaker 1: were really young, but I mean, you know, incredible character,
Speaker 1: incredible actor, but always kind of covered. He has like
Speaker 1: a cover to his to his face, to his way
Speaker 1: that he is, you know. And he thought when they
Speaker 1: first called him for Trey that he was going to
Speaker 1: get to play like a normal guy, like a regular surgeon,
Speaker 1: you know, preppy, normal guy. And then they told him like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and you have, you know, some sexual dysfunction
Speaker 1: and you're very close with your mom. And he was like,
Speaker 1: darn it. But what I think he brings, which is
Speaker 1: so interesting, is you aren't quite sure, Like when he
Speaker 1: starts saying alrighty all the time, You're like, but what
Speaker 1: does he really want?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It's interesting and I don't know what I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: is I keep watching like what what does he really want?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure. You know, yeah, did you think.
Speaker 3: That it's almost like he goes into a trance anytime
Speaker 3: someone touches his arm that way? Yeah, because you're like,
Speaker 3: why don't you have the tomato with Basil at sair?
Speaker 2: And he was like alrighty right.
Speaker 3: And then when it appears, he acts like it's the
Speaker 3: most gorgeous thing, right, So it's like a piece of art, right,
Speaker 3: You're I don't I think men who have mothers like Bunny,
Speaker 3: there are moments where you still see that mama's boy
Speaker 3: where like they sort of need guidance and direction.
Speaker 1: Maybe Yeah, I mean, we're gonna see where it goes, right,
Speaker 1: like cause I don't, I don't, I don't know because
Speaker 1: also for me when I'm rewatching it, like because I
Speaker 1: was with Kyle in life right acting, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so hard to separate, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're with the person eighteen hours a day doing
Speaker 1: the stuff, you know, and you spend more time not
Speaker 1: between action and cut that's like the small amount of time, right,
Speaker 1: and the writing is so good that the writing, you know,
Speaker 1: carries you through that part, right, and you're just trying
Speaker 1: to be connected to the person, which was super easy
Speaker 1: to be connected to Kyle because he's just a dream
Speaker 1: like an always like as an actor, as a person
Speaker 1: you know, in Always, he's a super sweetheart, like so easy,
Speaker 1: incredibly easy to work with and fun you know, like
Speaker 1: doesn't take it.
Speaker 2: Too seriously but is totally professional.
Speaker 1: Like interesting combinations that you don't always get, you know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes actors are I.
Speaker 2: Don't know who I should name or not name, but.
Speaker 1: Certain actors in the show, not my actors, but other
Speaker 1: actors big personalities, right where like you're trying to kind
Speaker 1: of get them to do what is written, do what
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 3: To say they want to go off script, and that's.
Speaker 1: Not really allowed here right in our world, you can't
Speaker 1: go off script, right, But like, their personalities are just
Speaker 1: so huge and charismatic, incredibly charismatic and big personalities, and
Speaker 1: then you're trying to get them to just do what
Speaker 1: you wrote, you know, but they're bringing all that with him,
Speaker 1: which is what makes.
Speaker 2: It so great.
Speaker 1: But also you kind of have to manage it a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. Kyle no managing. He's just in
Speaker 1: the groove. He knows what he's doing, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he might ask questions or whatever, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But he's just so professional and great. That's largely so
Speaker 1: you can have fun, is what I'm saying. Kind of
Speaker 1: like it's just fun and easy, so easy. I do
Speaker 1: also think that was really the first time, oh I
Speaker 1: forgot I mean on Melrose. I was on Melrose for
Speaker 1: a year working with Andrew Shoe, who had been a
Speaker 1: soccer player before he was on Melrose, right, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't really like an actor actor, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Right, So it was I was always like, you know,
Speaker 2: let's act, what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, and he was like he was like please, please,
Speaker 1: don't suggest any blocking, And I was like, why not?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Like Kyle's not like that. Cau's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do, Like let's do that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like great, let's do that.
Speaker 2: Let's ask for that. You know, He's just easy. It
Speaker 2: makes it fun, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Once the fun is gone, what are you doing totally?
Speaker 1: And I mean sometimes sometimes to get good work, you
Speaker 1: might not have fun, right, so you kind of have
Speaker 1: to surrender to that as an actor, Like each situation
Speaker 1: is different, each actors different, each actress is different, right,
Speaker 1: and so sometimes it might not be fun, but the
Speaker 1: work might be great, right, And that's okay because the
Speaker 1: work is what really matters.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like he was he was a well
Speaker 3: balanced actor. Yeah, he could come and do his job,
Speaker 3: make it fun, yes, but everyone got to go home
Speaker 3: on time and it was like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we never went home on time, But it had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with him. That's not how we roll.
Speaker 1: Do not know how a home on time. If there's
Speaker 1: time in the day, we will continue to do angles
Speaker 1: and takes. And you know, like I said, like when
Speaker 1: we the first one of the first things I remember
Speaker 1: about Charles McDougal was we go to Burgdorf and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at china with Kyle and I'm flipping this plate.
Speaker 1: He brought a crane into Burgdorf, like up on the
Speaker 1: upper floor, and he had this shot that he wanted
Speaker 1: to do where you would actually see the pattern of
Speaker 1: the china and then I would flip the plate and
Speaker 1: you would see who made it. That's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: in the scene thirty six takes. I remember doing thirty
Speaker 1: six takes.
Speaker 3: Of just flipping the plate. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well he'd flip the plate and then he'd panned back
Speaker 1: and the scene would start, so that would be the master,
Speaker 1: you'd call it, and then you just are in the
Speaker 1: master where you're getting the whole whole scene and then
Speaker 1: you cut into close ups, right, So it's just a
Speaker 1: couple seconds really, but he wanted it to be amazing.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 1: But I mean, thirty six takes sheep, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is when we really started to get the money edible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was incredible, but it was fun because like it's
Speaker 1: a challenge trying to say because you're having to flip
Speaker 1: the plate just right, but also be in the scene
Speaker 1: and be you know, do your lines and be good
Speaker 1: and whatever, you know what I mean. And also in
Speaker 1: this scene sorry this episode is when we're walking on
Speaker 1: the street to Tiffany's. That was also really fun because
Speaker 1: he was on a long lens, which is what makes
Speaker 1: it look like a film rather than like a super
Speaker 1: short lens where they're really close on you. He's on
Speaker 1: a long lens blocks away, and he would put Kyle
Speaker 1: and I like five blocks away and he'd say, just walk.
Speaker 1: And so there's a few extras right close to us,
Speaker 1: but the rest are.
Speaker 2: Like people in New York City.
Speaker 1: And then he'd just be like, walk and I'd be like, Kyler,
Speaker 1: do you think we're on our marks?
Speaker 2: Do you think we're in the frame? You'd be like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's just walk, So you don't even
Speaker 2: know if you're in the frame, right, Wait.
Speaker 3: So those are people just walking through New York City?
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so what they would do if you ended up
Speaker 1: being in a take that we liked is at the end,
Speaker 1: they would get you to sign a release. They would
Speaker 1: say like, oh, you just walked through our scene, could
Speaker 1: you sign a release? If that's okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But then the people closest to us would
Speaker 1: be extra so that they would keep walking and not
Speaker 1: just stop or you know what I'm trying to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: stop the scene.
Speaker 2: But then and then we.
Speaker 1: Walk up to the really cool shot through the window.
Speaker 1: So he's in Tiffany's filming through the window at us
Speaker 1: because I think at the time we couldn't film in Tiffany's.
Speaker 1: They could film at Tiffany's, right, but they didn't want
Speaker 1: us to come in and film. And that reminds me
Speaker 1: of I know, you haven't seen the end of Just
Speaker 1: like that, we Sarah Jesskin I go in Tiffany's, but
Speaker 1: we had to go in really early before it opened,
Speaker 1: and we had to be out at a certain time,
Speaker 1: so we were rushed, like so rushed, But we did it,
Speaker 1: and it was magical to be filming inside Tiffany's.
Speaker 2: Obviously it was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, but back in the day we couldn't
Speaker 1: afford and or get to be inside, so he had
Speaker 1: to be creative about framing us in the Tiffany window,
Speaker 1: which was so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It worked out.
Speaker 3: I love it because and then Carrie's voiceover talks about
Speaker 3: how that was going to be the story.
Speaker 2: I say, all right, which is so Charlotte and said alrighty,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The alrighty really takes.
Speaker 3: That was like, oh my gosh, who says right? Was
Speaker 3: now going to be your.
Speaker 1: Respect totally, which I think is great. But obviously they
Speaker 1: don't last, so I don't get to tell that story.
Speaker 2: But that's okay.
Speaker 3: And then you go into another relationship where it's like,
Speaker 3: this is not how the story is supposed to go
Speaker 3: in my head.
Speaker 2: I know, but it works out. It does work out.
Speaker 1: It's all about having to roll with it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is super important. All right, Wait, very important question
Speaker 1: that I sometimes forget, but I think we already know
Speaker 1: some of the answer. So you've already said that you
Speaker 1: you love Miranda and you you recognize Miranda and yourself.
Speaker 3: At this stage of my life, I would say I'm
Speaker 3: mostly a Miranda, mostly a Miranda.
Speaker 2: Okay, So is there any Charlotte and La Lacan? I feel.
Speaker 3: Not right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's cool, there's always a lit I.
Speaker 3: Just totally just lied to you, okay, though, the being
Speaker 3: in my head and how I picture things going okay,
Speaker 3: and that will never leave right right, That's just who
Speaker 3: I am by nature. Right right, Like, no, the wind
Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to blow this hard today. Oh no, that's
Speaker 3: my old day's thrown off.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's funny. But sometimes I think that that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that quality can really serve you well
Speaker 1: in life in that like you're trying to create, Like
Speaker 1: it's a creative force, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I never tried to deny that part of myself.
Speaker 3: That's good because obviously looking at the way my life
Speaker 3: has been and that piece of me has been with
Speaker 3: me since I was a child. And I think my
Speaker 3: daughter Sosa, who's fifteen months now, has that same Oh great, yay,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know what, I find it to
Speaker 3: be something that served me, So why I need to
Speaker 3: I don't need to try and fix this and alter it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: So you have your untraditionally l LA podcast and so
Speaker 1: that's on right now.
Speaker 3: That airs every Wednesday, and a bonus episode comes out
Speaker 3: on Mondays.
Speaker 2: Cool and then Hare the second podcast is coming. Yes.
Speaker 3: So I started upon with my friend Amber Childers. It's
Speaker 3: called an unlikely affair and although there's there's nuance to
Speaker 3: our relationship, but I won't bore you with that long
Speaker 3: story she was the wife and I was the mystress incredible,
Speaker 3: and I still stand by. I did not know, and
Speaker 3: maybe had I been sober at that point in time,
Speaker 3: I would have not painted red flags. Green doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: So this person didn't tell you I'm married. He this
Speaker 2: person said we are separating. I got it. This happens
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: And I actually found out that after I had left him,
Speaker 3: I got a text message of a screen shot and
Speaker 3: it was between Amber and someone she was dating at
Speaker 3: the time, and it said from Amber, I am no
Speaker 3: longer going to be able to see you because I've
Speaker 3: decided to give my marriage another shot. And that way,
Speaker 3: and so I learned, like, oh oh, I was very
Speaker 3: much in the dark about a lot of things. So anyway,
Speaker 3: after I had ended my relationship with the person we
Speaker 3: had in common, I called her and made an amends and
Speaker 3: we've just gotten so close and so nice. The timing
Speaker 3: is perfect, and she's really helped me through a lot
Speaker 3: of rough times that she's been through, and I offer
Speaker 3: her support when she needs me, and it's just amazing
Speaker 3: and untraditional relationship so much.
Speaker 2: It'll be a lot of fun. Great.
Speaker 1: I love to hear about women coming together. And I
Speaker 1: do think so many people have been through situations where
Speaker 1: they're not told the whole truth, and then people tend
Speaker 1: to blame the women, which I think is unfair because
Speaker 1: how do we how how do we know? We can't
Speaker 1: see through everything. We don't know when people are manipulating
Speaker 1: on both sides.
Speaker 2: No, you don't know.
Speaker 3: And it's really it's just such an uncommon bond. You
Speaker 3: hear about people you know, going their separate ways, getting
Speaker 3: remarried and all is good and they're like one big.
Speaker 2: Happy family.
Speaker 3: It is very rare that someone is the wife and
Speaker 3: the mistress and those two end up. No said the
Speaker 3: other day, she was like, I feel like you should
Speaker 3: have just had an affair with me. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel the same way. You're much better looking.
Speaker 2: That's so nice, that's so so nice. And so what
Speaker 2: is going to be the topic, Like, what are you
Speaker 2: guys going to talk about?
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about co parenting, We're going to
Speaker 3: talk about dating at this age, sex, what that looks
Speaker 3: like at our age. Her kids are older than mine,
Speaker 3: but again they share a dad, and just parenting tips
Speaker 3: and what our kids have in common, what it's like
Speaker 3: to raise kids in the social media world and like
Speaker 3: nothing is going to be off limits.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: I know that so many podcasts are like, we're unfiltered
Speaker 3: and unapologetic, but this is very much a podcast where
Speaker 3: it's raw and I'm just so excited. It's spicy and
Speaker 3: sexy and and the dynamic is very different than most
Speaker 3: podcasts out there.
Speaker 1: Cool, very nice. I can't wait. I can't wait to listen.
Speaker 1: I'm super curious. Yay, thank you, You're welcome. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: You're super interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but I have the best
Speaker 3: time with you.
Speaker 2: Are you are You're very very interesting.