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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Jerry's here to Dave's here in spirit. It's short stuff.

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Speaker 1: But we're all on the same astral plane. Man, we're

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Speaker 1: all here in spirit. That's right. We're tethered by the

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Speaker 1: silver cord mhm. But otherwise we're just floating around checking

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Speaker 1: things out. Sure, um, Sure. The reason Chuck's talking like that,

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Speaker 1: everybody's because we're going to investigate one of the weirdest

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Speaker 1: occurrences in the annals of UM, both traditional yoga and

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Speaker 1: UM the New Age movement. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put it like that because I think that's pretty accurate. Really,

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Speaker 1: that's right. We're talking about a man named Robert and

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Speaker 1: toast Chick. And this is a gentleman who uh it

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Speaker 1: was in his late twenties in the mid seventies. He

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Speaker 1: lived in an arbor, Michigan. He was, by all accounts,

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Speaker 1: a good dude. He was pretty chill. He teached yoga,

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Speaker 1: teached he taught yoga and why w c A, he's

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Speaker 1: Very much into esoteric yoga, which is to say, a

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Speaker 1: large focus on the mind and spirit. And one of

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Speaker 1: these people that really got into like, Hey, I'm really

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Speaker 1: going to start studying with yogis and I'm gonna travel

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Speaker 1: to India and I'm going to take up fasting and

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Speaker 1: meditation and give up a lot of my material possessions.

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Speaker 1: Like went all in on this. Yeah, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: just show up in India, you know, eat some like

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Speaker 1: then come home, like he actually went and studied under

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Speaker 1: the yoga master angar Um. So like he really really

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Speaker 1: was into yoga in the seventies. Like this was not

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Speaker 1: the nineties or the two thousands. This is the seventies

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Speaker 1: when it was like, you know, not the most usual

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Speaker 1: to study yoga. Still, so, um, he came back from that,

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Speaker 1: from what I can tell, a fairly changed person. And

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Speaker 1: like you said, he was really interested in esoteric yoga

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Speaker 1: and in particular astro projection. And I found a contemporaneous

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Speaker 1: article which I just used on purpose, um from the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Free Press in and they called astro projection, astro

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Speaker 1: projection all one word, and they yeah, they said, it's

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Speaker 1: they they used it more than once, so apparently they

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Speaker 1: astro projection or astro projection, I guess, um, if you

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Speaker 1: if you take it on face value, UM, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of easy to explain. And that is that when you

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Speaker 1: meditate in a certain way, one technique is to focus

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Speaker 1: that space. Um, you will your spirit, your soul will

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Speaker 1: leave your body. And in that state, your conscious mind

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Speaker 1: is conscious taking in all of this information and all

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Speaker 1: of these sights and sounds and and things. But you

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Speaker 1: can go anywhere, not just in the world, not just

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Speaker 1: in the universe, Chuck, but in different dimensions and planes

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Speaker 1: of existence entirely, all while your soul is still connected

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Speaker 1: to your body. Right. Yeah, And that's that's the key

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Speaker 1: that waking consciousness, because it's not like you come back

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Speaker 1: and say, boy, I really I think my soul left

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Speaker 1: my body, but I have no memory of anything, Like

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Speaker 1: it's floating around metaphorically speaking, and uh, taking all this

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Speaker 1: like in this delusive dreaming because there are some similarities there. Um,

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Speaker 1: make a pretty good case if you really dive into it.

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Speaker 1: So the roommates were like, whatever, man. And several days

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Speaker 1: Once they can conducted in autopsy, things got even weirder

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, there's never been like super verified accounts

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Speaker 1: shout out an article on medium from Nick Repasitrony called

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