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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. Before we get started,

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Speaker 1: They also sent us a bottle of wine at Bandon

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Speaker 1: and we drink um this weekend the fire Drill, we

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Speaker 1: talked Russell Henley and his five wins. A. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know he had five wins, and B we discussed whether

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Speaker 1: it's the quietest five wins and PGA tour history because

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Speaker 1: that is a very small group to be a part

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Speaker 1: all of the things that are happening and the reading.

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Speaker 1: Uh compound, that's a huge Allegedly, Uh, we talked about

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Speaker 1: and why it's important to me. Michael knew him and

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Speaker 1: the Asian tour and a thirty seven dollar check, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about Q school. Uh. And Jake, my producer,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous because that's the most important thing we talked about.

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Speaker 1: The Fire Drill is my favorite. I've told you that

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Speaker 1: many times I get to listen to Michael Bamberger and

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, here is the three of us talking

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Speaker 1: about golf. Allegedly. I got thoughts in my head. Can't

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Speaker 1: get Joan nothing what I'm thinking about, can't get him

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Speaker 1: out nothing, think what I'm thinking about. Hello, this is

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Speaker 1: Alan ship Knuck back for another Fire Drill podcast. It

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Speaker 1: is Sunday that means Michael Bamberger and Philadelphia and Ryan

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Speaker 1: French somewhere in the middle of America have joined us. Boys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Delighted Michael, Alan Jake behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Good to be here. Michael usually just give us a

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Speaker 1: so I'm happy. That's actually real quickly. This is not

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Speaker 1: Jake Muldowney is our producer, huge Packers fan, I'm Alliance fan.

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Speaker 1: Today didn't go great. Next week, Jake is going to

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Speaker 1: He usually doesn't show his face on this thing, but

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Speaker 1: going to be on. Thanks Jake, Love you, buddy. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a competitive sport um being a football fan

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Speaker 1: let's start in uh in Mexico at Mayacobo because Russell

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Speaker 1: Henley won. I mean, if I'm honest, I haven't thought

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Speaker 1: and that's no you know, he was might just send

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Speaker 1: So this is his fifth career PGA Tour win. He's

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Speaker 1: This is an indictment of the tour that you can go,

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Speaker 1: make of the fifth career victory for Russell Henley. He's

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Speaker 1: Or I haven't thought of Russell Henley? But I don't know, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: a lot of players on the PGA Tour, and Russell

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Speaker 1: I mean it is the quietest five wins, one of

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Speaker 1: Great dude, and uh and um, I just can't believe

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Speaker 1: But John Birton, he has five tour wins. Is that

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Speaker 1: why you're going this direction? Michael, Yes, yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: It's like we kind of underappreciate Russell Henley. Right we're

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Speaker 1: you know he obviously he he was at he filed

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Speaker 1: against Brandle Shamblee. But now he's added Aimon Lynch was

426
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Speaker 1: okay Amon and loves to he he's a he's a

427
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Speaker 1: pot st. He said some inflammatory things. I guess you

428
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: could maybe like, Okay, well it's not he's not gonna win,

429
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: but he might have he might have some beef there.

430
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Speaker 1: But then he added Doug Ferguson, who we all of

431
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Speaker 1: the ap We all know Doug just plays it down

432
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Speaker 1: the middle all the time. I mean, he's the Fred

433
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Speaker 1: Funk of golf reporters. Like he's just the middle of

434
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Speaker 1: the middle. He's on the sprinkler line. It's hard to

435
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Speaker 1: imagine he said anything that would that would be actionable.

436
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: And then who's the nicest person in the world, and

437
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: definitely in the golf it's obviously Damon Hack right, So

438
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: Damon got swept up into it. Shane Bacon um like

439
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: Shane Ryan. Yeah, I mean Shane wrote a whole book

440
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, I mean, so Shane, you know,

441
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: he in some ways he kind of broke the story

442
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: of Patrick Reid's um, you know, in his book, and

443
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: which of course got excerpted and cited many places, you know,

444
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: talking about Patrick Read's misadventures in college and and beyond,

445
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: and so Alan quick consruption. Did did did not Ian

446
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Speaker 1: O'Connor have that first? I'm not sure if Ian had

447
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: it first. I feel like it was Shane in his

448
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: books Slaying the Tiger. I mean, there's there's been different

449
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: parts of the story. I mean Ian had the parents

450
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: at one point, but you know, Shane got all the

451
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Georgia teammates. Really yeah, because the Augusta State teammates and

452
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Speaker 1: everything the Augusta State teammates that. I mean, I would

453
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: say Ian may have had it a little bit, but

454
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: Shane advanced it and and so very good book. By

455
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: the way, not saying it's true or it's not true.

456
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Speaker 1: It's true. It's probably true, but it's wild. I mean,

457
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't mean, you know, the First Amendment is such

458
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: a powerful tool. It's very hard to win a libel lawsuit.

459
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: I would assume that that Read and his lawyer understand that.

460
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: But I guess they're trying to have some chilling effect

461
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: and this guy's lives. What is the point of this?

462
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: What is the point? It's not to win money because

463
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: they know they can't win, because you gotta pay for lawyers,

464
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 1: and you started making people nervous and uh, no one

465
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: wants to get sued. We've all, you know, been been

466
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: close to it, and it's uh, it's unsettling. So I mean,

467
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: he's even even when we had when Alan and I

468
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: had Jeff Tubanan were and he was saying, there's a

469
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: legal term for for this, it's a joke. Uh, it's

470
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: still a lawsuit. You still require, it's still gonna so

471
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Speaker 1: you're gonna need a lawyer. I would like to say

472
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Speaker 1: this about Patrick Reed, if I may, Patrick Reed is

473
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Speaker 1: the kindest, just warmest, most being I've ever known in

474
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Speaker 1: my life. And I would like to add that I

475
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: have never outwardly questioned whether he may or may not

476
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Speaker 1: have skirted the rules at a Monday qualifier. I don't

477
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Speaker 1: believe that. I mean hypothetically, can you cheat at a

478
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: Monday qualifier? Yes, it's relatively easy. There's no fans, there's

479
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: no rules officials, there's hardly any caddies. Could you Yes?

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00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: Did he definitely not? The man is upstanding citizen. It's

481
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: not even close, not even a thought in my mind.

482
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Speaker 1: Did he hit it over in the woods and find

483
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: one magically? No? No, he just found his well, man, Well,

484
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, when we keep adding more

485
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: and more people to the lawsuit, it gets to be ridiculous.

486
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: Like I mean, Brandal definitely had some very strong takes now,

487
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: which is jobbed offered opinion. Opinion is almost always protected speech.

488
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: So but that would that could have been, that could

489
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Speaker 1: have been spite see it in in a fun deconstruction.

490
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: But when when you when you add the entire press

491
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: room to the lawsuit, it's kind of like, what are

492
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: we doing here? So I don't know why doesn't he

493
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: add Ricky Fowler to it while he's at it? Because

494
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: at the Albany event, Uh, if you guys remember this,

495
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: and you probably do, Ricky Fowler was already in the

496
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: house and he watched a replay of it of you know,

497
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: when he grounded his club or you don't scraped away

498
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Speaker 1: the sand before where he allegedly scraped away the sad

499
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: before playing Uh that show. Well, I'm we're American, correct

500
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Speaker 1: her mat Uh Larry Larry Cusman. We said allegedly, Okay,

501
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: thank you continue. Do you guys remember what Follower said?

502
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: He looked at like, what's even the discussion? You're obviously

503
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: it's so obvious what he did. Uh wait, a lot

504
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: of people because Ricky Fowler knows, they all know, they

505
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: out well and and Cam Smith had had some strong

506
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: things to say, you know, a fellow live golfer. Now, so, um,

507
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: it's it's for iculous. But as you say, Michael, I mean,

508
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: for the these are our colleagues. They have to defend it,

509
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: they have to get a lawyer. That um, their parent

510
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: companies are part of the lawsuits. So they're they're sweating it.

511
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: And it does create clearly, um, some energy around it,

512
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: which is I mean, we always praise Patrick Reed lavishly.

513
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: This podcast is hardly the first time this speak of

514
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: it we speak. You can see how people might, um,

515
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: it might affect their behavior. I think that's ultimately what

516
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to accomplish here, is that when next time

517
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: someone wants to drag up Patrick Reads. I've said this before.

518
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Reids don't have a reality show,

519
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: but we need it, and we need it now, Okay,

520
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: because we see public and we're like, whoa, Okay, imagine

521
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: what is happening. We've all seen their house. Okay, we've

522
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: all taken the pictures of the house and about sums

523
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: it up when you're when you're like, hey, we're gonna

524
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: check your board everything and make it super dark goth,

525
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean wild, wild house. So whoever's listening think that's enough.

526
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: TV executive, please please give the reads. When we speak

527
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: of the big three, the golfer, his wife, and the

528
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: brother in law, how do you guys rank the big three?

529
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: For like, if you could give truth serum to only

530
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: one of them, who would you want it to? The wife?

531
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: The wife's I mean Justine. Well, of course we don't

532
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: know it to be true that she's running the use

533
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: golf a legend had running it appears to be running it,

534
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: but again we have no conclusive treef for that. All

535
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: of this, all of this says that the Reds need

536
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: a reality show. Okay, you know who runs the Twitter account.

537
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: We'd see him angrily tweeting at two am. We need

538
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: it all And what I was gonna say is that

539
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: Twitter handle moves the needle like very few things in golf.

540
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: When Justine logs on or I'm sorry not Justine. Whoever

541
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: is running that that handle? We don't know it to

542
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: be Justine, but we think it is, but we can't

543
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: prove it. We don't know for sure, but we like

544
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: it's justine. When that person whoever it is, logs on

545
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: like golf, Twitter blows up, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Man,

546
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: say this probably on the subject, and I think you

547
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: will agree. Um. I want to stand in praise of

548
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: our close personal friend Mark Steinberg, who did not sue

549
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: us when we when we named a a an agent

550
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: to a golfer named Tree Tremont and then a book

551
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: called The Swinger Finky Finkelstein, and uh, I just think

552
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: that shows what a man he is. And I appreciate it. Mark.

553
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Thank you. We're living in an alternate reality right now.

554
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of fun. Oh oh yeah, Oh no,

555
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: that's right. We're supposed to say in the main road

556
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: here all right, Um, this is this is a more

557
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: serious question. How about you with lawyers when you're writing

558
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: the film book? What what kind of things can you

559
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: talk about about where things got Harry? Yeah, I mean

560
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: the Simn's user lawyers were awesome. They basically, you know,

561
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: we had a lot of conversations asking me about you know,

562
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: sourcing and how how confident I else in in the information?

563
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: And they pretty much always came down on my side. Um,

564
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: and there was you know, a little bit of phrasing

565
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: they wanted a massage, which was fine because it didn't

566
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: really change the actual meaning of it. But um, they

567
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: they they are they're used to these fights and this

568
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: is what these lawyers do for a living. And while

569
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: their their job theorectly is to protect the publisher, Um,

570
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: they're in it because they want to. They want to

571
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: take care of the writers. I mean, they're they're not. UM,

572
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't see them as as corporate stooges. Like they're

573
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: there because they care about the First Amendment. They care

574
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: about the written word, they believe in in um is

575
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: the big part of it, a legal side as you

576
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: go through it. I mean there's like I mean proof

577
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: reading obviously and those kind of editing. But absolutely, and

578
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: they they read it very carefully because you know that's

579
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: there and I already have an instinctive understand ending of it.

580
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: But and I flagged a couple of things, and uh,

581
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: it went back and forth, but there was there was

582
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: not one thing that I wanted for the book that

583
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: they said to take out. And there's a couple of

584
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: things that they we talked over extensively and they gave

585
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: their their go ahead to put in the book, and

586
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: I elected not too for my own reasons. Um, you know,

587
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: a couple of things that would have been dicey and

588
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: we would have had to rely on unnamed sources, and

589
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to go that route. But you know,

590
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: some very explosive material like after talking to where they

591
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: said yeah approved, So I was. I was impressed. Phil

592
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: is very well lawyered, as you know, better than most, um.

593
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: But is he litigious? Has he gone down that road

594
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: at all? He has this lawyer, Glenn Cohen, whom back

595
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: in the days of the Phil rumors, some of which

596
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I had discussed in a sober manner in my book.

597
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: They went out they tried to find these anonymous internet

598
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: trolls and actually did a good job of it. Um.

599
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: And they and they were able to shut down some

600
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: of these They were just individuals and they basically just

601
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: somehow got their identity from the servers and they were

602
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: able to threaten them and make them go away, which

603
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: was their ultimate goal. Um. But no that they did

604
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: file a lawsuit in in in Canadian court, and that

605
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: was that was trying trying to unmask one of one

606
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: of these anonymous posters and they succeeded in doing that.

607
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: But that's really been the extent of it. And um,

608
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: you know I did. I talked, so I talked to

609
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Cohen extensively, and then Phil had another lawyer from from

610
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: San Diego who got involved and we had some some conversations.

611
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's definitely lawyered up. But um, you know,

612
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: I especially the guy at San Diego was pretty sophisticated.

613
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean he seemed to understand like, Okay, we can't

614
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: really win a First Amendment case, so let me just

615
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: try and and influence things on the margins. But um,

616
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, it was a little good cop bad cop

617
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: between two different lawyers. But uh no, I mean they

618
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: given everything that's around the Nicholson's over the decades, Um,

619
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: they have not elected to go to the courts, which

620
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: is interesting of course when you do that, as Patrick

621
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Reid's gonna find out, the other side gets to do.

622
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: You know, they get to ask the questions too, and

623
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: you're under oath. So now you know, I think ultimately

624
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: in Phil's case, it's not worth the risk of discovery. Like, um,

625
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, if if he wants to challenge people, then

626
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna get challenged, and I think he knows there's

627
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: some things I don't want to come to light. Patrick

628
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: Reed may find out the same thing. Um, there's there's

629
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: a term for this, um you know, funk around and

630
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: find out, and that may happen to Patrick Reid. You

631
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: know this is basically he's he's kind of trying to

632
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: hold seventy footers right, and he might he might run

633
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: a few off the green to use a golf metaphor,

634
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Speaker 1: like he's he's gonna there's gonna be some blowback to

635
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: this when when you know, like because not only did

636
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: he he sue the individuals, he also sued the parent companies.

637
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: And they have resources and they have people have been

638
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: doing this along time, so they're they're gonna now go

639
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: after him, and he may regret going down this road.

640
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I was once with Trump at the West Palm Beach course,

641
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: uh and the Golf Digest ranking had just come out,

642
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: and of course you want to be in the top hundred.

643
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: And as he told the story that he was, he

644
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: was number he was number hundred one on the list,

645
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: and uh so he started writing his own brief, his

646
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: own legal brief about why golf Digests had screwed him over,

647
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: and of course he would just submit that to his

648
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: lawer and have this, have the lawyer files something a

649
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: totally completely frivolous act that would go nowhere. But the

650
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: requires golf digests to defend its process. How do we

651
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: make the list and go through a whole thing that

652
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: nobody wants to waste their time doing. Uh so, yeah, well,

653
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: for Trump it's a pr exercise, right, So, like he

654
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: just he's trying to he's trying to defend his golf course.

655
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: And for him, that was worth paying the lawyer thousand

656
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: dollars and fees or maybe not paying him. You know

657
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: Trump's history of not paying his lawyers. But um, you know,

658
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Patrick Reid's getting a lot of billable hours, and maybe

659
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: he thinks that that somehow he's he's going to launder

660
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: his reputation here. But I think it's more about trying

661
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: to have this That might be the wildest part of this, right,

662
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Like that's the only reason that you do this. You know,

663
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: for the most part it's going to be hard, too,

664
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: almost impossible to win. He must think that this is

665
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: going to like prove that he's just this upstanding person

666
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: and that is the wildest take of all of this, right,

667
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Like he's at home thinking like, man, really I've done it.

668
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: Now him and Justine are like, yeah, look at what

669
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: we've done. We're gonna get everybody on her side. Like

670
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: that is the craziest part of all of this, right,

671
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Like that they think that this is somehow like fixing

672
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: a reputation, like this is making it worse. The craziest

673
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: part is it shows you how completely out of whack

674
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: all the golf is now. I mean, like this has

675
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: become a routie and thing that Patrick reread is suing

676
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: somebody for something, you know, and uh, I don't know.

677
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: Golf used to be a place. There's a lot of

678
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: lawyers getting very wealthy on golf this year, very wealthy. Right,

679
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: people used to just settle their differences, uh quietly. It

680
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: was just, you know, it's just another indication of what

681
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: turmoil the game is in the fact that these suits

682
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: are happening in the first place. And uh, you know,

683
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: a more aggressive kind of reporting of golf is certainly

684
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: part of it. Speaking of that, if I'm ay Allen,

685
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: unless you tell me this is not appropriate thing to

686
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: bring up. But you know, these Bubba Watson comments about

687
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: of course we got an endorsement when he got you know,

688
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: if we got money for showing up at cocktail parties

689
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: and all the rest. Um. That was something like everybody

690
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: seemed to know forever. Nobody ever really wrote about it. Uh,

691
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: and now it's out there. And of course it's out

692
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: there because Bubb is not on the PGA Tour. He's

693
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: probably never going to play the PGA Tour againting So

694
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: for you know, the Masters and a couple of other things,

695
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: uh things, it's just you know, I put them probably

696
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: the same categories Patrick It. It's like there were all

697
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: these old systems in place, for good or for bad.

698
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: You can definitely argue with both ways, and they're crumbling. Yeah. One,

699
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting that that read is only filed these lawsuits

700
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: since he joined Live Golf, and we know that Live

701
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: is fueled by Saudi money and and grievance. Those are

702
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: the two rocket fuels, right and and so um I

703
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: guess and the when he's on the PGA Tori, you're

704
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: still trying to play nice and now he's like, that's

705
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: screw it. You know, I'm I've gone I've gone to

706
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: the dark side, So might as well just might as

707
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: just let it rip. But you know, in Reed's case,

708
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: Doug Ferguson and Aimon Lynch and Damon Hack and Brando

709
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: simply are going to be reporting on and talking about

710
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: his career for the next ten or fifteen years. Like,

711
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: would you really, on just a very basic level, do

712
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: you want to the people who are going to help

713
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: assign your legacy on some level, do you want to

714
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: make all the mad at you. It doesn't seem like

715
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: it's not. It's the opposite a charm offensive um, but whatever.

716
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: There's a zero point zero chance that he's going to

717
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: find anything that Doug Ferguson did that was with malice. Uh,

718
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: it will be unlikely you can find anything that Doug

719
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Ferguson road that's even inaccurate. But but if it's you know,

720
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: for those who don't know that, if it's inaccurate but

721
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: not with malice, it wasn't will if you weren't wilfully

722
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: trying to defame the person or slander the person, or

723
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: hurt the person in some way, you know, that's what

724
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: constitutes liabel. There's a zero point zero chance that Doug

725
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: Ferguson would be capable of it. He's just too well

726
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: trained to professional. I mean I would tell that the

727
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: entire group, but Doug I know best. Yeah, yeah, Shan

728
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: Shane Ryan said in the tweet that you know Hunt,

729
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: he said, I can't say anything about it about a

730
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: stand behind my reporting, so he's obviously confident. Well, and

731
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: of course it's all gonna get dressed up again. So

732
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: here we go. Like, you know, people haven't thought about

733
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: Shane's book in a long time. Right now, it's gonna

734
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: be everywhere he put the link. I mean, smart of him,

735
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: because it's a good book too. Is he put the

736
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: link in his tweet. He's like, hey, I can't talk

737
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: about it. If you'd like to read about it, that's

738
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: so great. And it's kind of like a question that

739
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: hangs over live golf, like, you know, are they actually

740
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: sports watching because most golf fans have never really thought

741
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: about the farious influence of Saudi Arabia on our our

742
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: lives and our geopolitics. Right it just wasn't something that

743
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: the average golf fan really thought about. Now I've talked

744
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: about every day, every week, every podcast, Like in some

745
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: ways they've called more attention to themselves and their misdeeds,

746
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: Like what is the opposite of sports watching, it's like,

747
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: and that's that's what reads doing with this lawsuit, and

748
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: and it's changed the attitude because back to Michael's point

749
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: about what Bubba said, I've heard that. I assume you

750
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: guys have heard that way more than I that you know,

751
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: so and so player doesn't want to play in the

752
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: three m and the PGA Tour can't do appearance fees.

753
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: So some sponsor pays so and so three thousand dollars

754
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: to show up at a cocktail party. And it's relatively

755
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: regularly happening. Uh and so skirt the rules of an

756
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: in parance fee and blah blah blah, Like that is

757
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: huge news, and it has become so like they've like

758
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: this negativity towards them. That kind of was like, oh,

759
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: there's Babba crying again. Like it wasn't really you know,

760
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: it was like, that is what's happening on the PGA Tour,

761
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: Like that is happening. But the negativity of these things

762
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: is just not It's getting kind of like tiresome at

763
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: that at some point, you know, like that should have

764
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: been a huge story in my opinion, I mean it is.

765
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: What's your impression, what why would Bubba go down that road,

766
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: what's to be gained. It's und you see this from

767
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the live guys, and like I've had

768
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: a lot of them tell me a lot of things

769
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: about Rory McElroy and his finances and his ties to

770
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: the tour because they're they're tired of Rory being being

771
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: held up as a savior and and this guy who's

772
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: doing it all for the good of the game, where

773
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, and the things they've told me, you've checked out.

774
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: It's like pH has made a lot of money for

775
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Rory and so and and you know, one of the

776
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: live guys said he's bought and sold more than any

777
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: of us. But people just don't know about it. And

778
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: so this will be in my forthcoming book by the way.

779
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: But so it's like I don't have a link yet, Shane. Sorry,

780
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: but you know there's no Tappy, Yeah that's right. Um

781
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, the the lip guys are tired

782
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: of being picked on, right, there's there's they very well

783
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: cultivated this this victimhood and so there it's just a

784
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: chance to like fire back. And but yeah, I mean

785
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: there's tournaments, who are you have people saying negative things

786
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: about Rory McElroy. Yes, the live guys know that Rory

787
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: McElroy is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being.

788
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: I behind Patrick read, second behind Petrie Read. You know,

789
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: it starts at the top with with Greg Norman. We

790
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: know that that, um, he's a he's a vengeful personality

791
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: and um that's trickled down to the entire organization. So

792
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: there the gloves are off. I mean we've seen that

793
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: all year long, and it's just it's all is being

794
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: revealed and um, so yeah, I mean what Bubba said

795
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: it was certainly factual. I mean there's there's tournaments where

796
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: it's known like, uh yeah, just go when we fly

797
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: on your jet, just go fill it up down there,

798
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, put in jet fuel and you know, just

799
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: put on the tournament tab. You know, there's there's all

800
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: kinds of little things like that that that have been

801
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: done to entice players and um, and it's it's it's

802
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: not even really an open seeker. It's just a known

803
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: thing in the Gulf world. But um, I don't I

804
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: don't know why it wasn't discussed, but you know, Bubba's

805
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: sort of torn the band aid off, and there's there's

806
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: more reporting to do there for sure. Okay, quickly, I

807
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: no one wanted to talk about the Asian Tour. We

808
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: brought up what we wanted to talk about, and these

809
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: guys were senior tour. We're Bernhard Langer at I mean

810
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: my tweet, My tweet yesterday was at a hundred and three,

811
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Bernhard Langer, it is probably gonna win the Rails Swap Cup.

812
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: The man does not age, He does not age. It's

813
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: it's incredible, actually actually truly is incredible. It's no. Swing

814
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: does not need to be pretty to be effective, because

815
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: the swing is not pretty. It is effective the stroke,

816
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: but he gets now to be fair. Underneath my tweet,

817
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: there was some very angry people about the fact that

818
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: he anchors. I mean, he's like, you could play until

819
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: a hundred and three if he's If he keeps anchoring,

820
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: they think that his hand is touching his chest when

821
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: he's they're just angry. I mean, I'm sure that's done

822
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: in tournament golf in various places, but Longer seems like

823
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: such a black and white personality. I don't believe that

824
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: he would agree. I really agree. I agree it is

825
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: ridiculous that he won again. Ridiculous it's ridiculous. And Steve Alker,

826
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: how about making double on the lose a million dollars, right,

827
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: And that's real money for a guy like that, You know,

828
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: a million dollars some of these dudes. But that's real money.

829
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: That's real money. So let's okay, how do you say

830
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: his last name? Jazz? J Okay? Okay, quick story about Jazz.

831
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I am middle of COVID. My wife and I, for

832
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: some reason, decide that we drive down to my brother's

833
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: house in Florida as a vacation home in Florida. We

834
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: made the twenty hour trip from Chicago and got there.

835
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: This is like full blown middle of COVID, like everything

836
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: shut down. West Florida Tour had just started back up,

837
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: so and they were like an hour down the road

838
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: from my brother's house. I get in the car. I

839
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: drive to the West Florida tournament. Now I knew that

840
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Chopra, PJ Tour winner, multi time PJ Tour winner

841
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: played in West Florida event. He pulls up in his

842
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Lamborghini and out jumps Jazz and Jazz at the time

843
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: was thirty six player in the entire world, but didn't

844
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: have any place to play the Asian Tour shut down

845
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: and uh played West Florida Tournament in that event finished

846
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna make this up. I don't know

847
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: what it was to eleven or something and got a

848
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: check for thirty seven dollars and thirteen cents. And it

849
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: makes my day. It just makes my day that a

850
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: man who's thirty six in the world got a check

851
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: for thirty seven dollars, Like, what does he do with it?

852
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: Did Jazz like cash the thirty seven dollar check? Yes?

853
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: Or no? Of course? Well that was wasn't it? Mad? No?

854
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: What was the grading Carter magazine, Michael, that um spy

855
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: spy magazine they did. They had this bit going for

856
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: a long time where they sent celebrities checks and increasingly

857
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: small amounts. You would start with eighteen and you get

858
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: down to twelve, and then you could see if they

859
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: cashed it. And they kept trying who cast it and

860
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: most of them didn't at all, or they stopped after

861
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: the first one. The one guy who cashed every single

862
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: check was Donald Trump. This was decades ago, but it's

863
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: a famous bit. Oh God, that's amazing. I mean, it

864
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: just made like there was no one on the course

865
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: and it was jet and I honestly I think he

866
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: was thirty five or thirty six at the time, and

867
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: uh like playing in a cart not a single fan around,

868
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: and he finished like T eleven or something like that

869
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: and got a check withut seven buck. Daniel Choper rocking

870
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: up in a Lamborghini. I mean, Daniel is he had

871
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: had a nice career, but thank you Tiger. Well right,

872
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: I didn't say the circles back to the Russell Henley conversation, like,

873
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel chopra very good golfer, had a nice

874
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: little career, but travit Lamborghini's wild here is now this

875
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: is important from the standpoint of, uh what this leaderboard?

876
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: Head do it? David puig on it finished third, Scott

877
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Vincent lift player, Uh, Barton Rat who's made a all

878
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden playing well in Asia, finished fifth, Eric

879
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Compton finished ninth, Chase kepto eleventh. I mean it is

880
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: like a live I mean, what a what a leaderboard?

881
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: This was? Right? Well, I mean yeah, as a lot

882
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: of those names are playing live golf, and I mean

883
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about in previous podcasts, but the Asian Tour

884
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: is a very important part of the vision for live

885
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: as a feeder system, as a landing spot for guys

886
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: who get relegated, UM as a way to develop their

887
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: their their next generational players. So I think it's only

888
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: going to accelerate their everyday Asian Tour events are gonna

889
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: just get better and better. And when it surpasses the

890
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: European Tour, it seems like it's only a question to win.

891
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: As far as strength of fields and will, ranking points

892
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: and money and and those things. It's um, you know,

893
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: the balance of power is definitely shifting. What's to prevent

894
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour from staging those tournaments in the United

895
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: States and other places. They're they're having Acute school in

896
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: the US, Michael, this year, They're coming. They're coming, you know. Yeah,

897
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, as the PGA Tour keeps it expanding and

898
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: playing overseas like it, I don't. I think I think

899
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: it's more like a gentleman's agreement. And as we were

900
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: saying earlier in this podcast, like all that stuffs out

901
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: the window. Now it's it's brass knuckles times. So yeah,

902
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: there's no anything. But yeah, I mean, you know, Live

903
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: Golf's playing most of their events over here, so maybe

904
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: maybe the Asian to attack if you want to. Just

905
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: for fun, I do want to let the listeners know

906
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: that here the fire Pit Collective, we are expanding our

907
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: podcast network, and you know we already have. We have

908
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: the fire Pit Podcast, which is really Matchell's baby, and

909
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: those are kind of narrative and long form. We have

910
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: Grassroots with Lasarsias and John Nichols and they get into

911
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: the culture. Ryan has his podcast which is obviously focused

912
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: more on on the grinders and the dreamers. We have

913
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: these fire Drills, which are big events, breaking news and

914
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: and kind of now the weekly ebb and flow of

915
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: what's happening in golf. But we were delighted to announce

916
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: that we're gonna a new one called Need a Fourth

917
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: and it's it's a bamburger myself and a guy named

918
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: Jeff Ogilvie and we take turns inviting guests. Um, one

919
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: person organizes a guest, the other two co hosts do

920
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: not know who that person is until they show up

921
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: on their screen here. And yes, if if you're a

922
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: fan of the SmartLess podcast, and most of us are,

923
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: we shamelessly stole their idea. But it's just so much

924
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: fun and so um we're gonna start rolling those out

925
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: this this coming Thursday and they'll they'll be weekly for

926
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: a while and hoping to get people excited about it.

927
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: We we've already taped a bunch of them now and

928
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: the guests are a plus. And um, it's you know

929
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: and those of us who who have listened there to

930
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: those of you have listened to the fire drills and

931
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: even from Michael and I you know, with Ogilvie such

932
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: a great talker and thinker, and so it's a delight

933
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: to happen as part of this and he is amazing. Uh,

934
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: they're really really fun. They're really fun. So we we'll

935
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: be doing a little promotion on on the various socials

936
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: throughout this week to remind folks. But we're excited about that.

937
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: And we've been talking about this and working on it

938
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: for a while, so it's gonna need to set it,

939
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: set it free out into the world. Ryan, what how

940
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: are you going to monitor Monday? And what do you do?

941
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: What do you do? Do you do you follow it

942
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: on a computer? I mentioned or there's no yet Tomorrow.

943
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is a pretty big day for me, the final

944
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: day of Q school and it also in return makes

945
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: for a good Monday story often because a lot of

946
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: the guys who are normally at Monday's are in Q school.

947
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: So usually some great stories get through the Monday down

948
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: in Houston. So it's a great It's Mondays are always great,

949
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: let's be honest, but this is this is an exceptional Monday. Yep. Well,

950
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: I would just I would just wrap for myself. Um,

951
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: and I'm anyone who I knew the man would feel

952
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: exactly the same way. But uh, uh a fond farewell

953
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: to a real great gent of golfed Al Finsterwald. Uh,

954
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: I would say I knew him quite well. Definitely one

955
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: of my god two guys like Bob Goldie was and

956
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: other of that generation. Uh, great great friend of Arnold Palmer.

957
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: He had something Tom Watson did not win in the

958
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: PHA Championship and had a beautiful swing and uh carried

959
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: himself with a lot of class for a long, long career.

960
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: So farewell to to do. I mean he was a

961
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: rules official with the Masters for years. I mean it's

962
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: pretty neat, like I kind of drew about. You know,

963
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I coach high school basketball and at some point I'm

964
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: gonna become I'm gonna become a referee because I feel

965
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: like the on the girl's side, they need better refs.

966
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: And it's kind of analogy as you go from from

967
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: playing the Masters to being a rules official. It's kind

968
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: of a cool journey. And I'd see him and he

969
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: carried himself with such dignity, and everyone seemed to love

970
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: the guy and I he was always in these rapped

971
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: conversations out on the golf course or under the tree.

972
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: And um, I never really knew him. I just knew

973
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: of him. But he had he had a he had

974
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: a very palpable like presence. So I'm glad you. I'm

975
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: glad you tipped your cap to him. Yea, And I

976
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: remember you asking for his number while did you reach

977
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: him on that occasion? I was probably, Yeah, he was.

978
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure he struggled some at the end. That was

979
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: fairly recently. Well, and that was that was for the

980
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: film book because um, well this is this is the

981
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: story that's gonna go to the grave with Dow. But

982
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: there was there was there was some dust up, but

983
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: that Dow got involved in the fill out on the

984
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: golf course and he was the only guy who could

985
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: really tell it. So that that very very discreet. Yeah,

986
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: he had a thing with Arnold where they would be

987
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: an Arnold's garage at his Arnold's really quite modest town

988
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: house condo at at Bay Hill, and they'd be looking

989
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: at their watches fifty eight four fifty nine. Right at

990
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: five o'clock. They would open a little mini refridge on

991
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: the first beer so would come out. Uh, you know,

992
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: they just had their rituals and they just belong completely

993
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: to another error where you know, it's easy to romanticize,

994
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: but on the other hand, it is romantic where it

995
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: was really about the camaraderie and their friendship and trying

996
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: to beat each other on the golf course but still

997
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: liking one another when he came off the course, which,

998
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: of course I would say, of course we're missing now,

999
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: which is a shame. It's it's the usual thing that

1000
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: money does wherever, gross grotesque large sums of money show up.

1001
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: But anyway, Dot was U Dow was a Jim I'm

1002
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna tell a story in print about doubt

1003
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: at the Masters in a couple of days, just along

1004
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: the lines of what of what you were saying? Uh,

1005
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: some people, very very briefly, some people wouldn't know that

1006
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: uh Dow was contending and might have one of Masters

1007
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: one year, but got a penalty for practice putting between holes,

1008
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: and I don't remember the details right now, but I

1009
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: look that up as well. But he was a hell

1010
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: of a player, and he one twelve times and one

1011
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: of pg Championship. So here is my only thing I

1012
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: know about Dow is And obviously it's changed now. But uh,

1013
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: if you look up, everybody asked me about status all

1014
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: the time and how the rankings work and how status works,

1015
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: and dow was the first person, for some reason, I

1016
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: don't know if I was alphabetical or whatever, the first

1017
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: person on every status. Uh. Like if you look up

1018
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: all the rankings of uh players that are out for

1019
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: PGA Tour events, like jack is up there, and because

1020
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: you're a certain quateria of life, and dow was always

1021
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: listed number one. He was still eligible at ninety. He

1022
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: could have he could have played an event if he

1023
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: wanted to. It might it might relate to, you know,

1024
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: the year he won that PGA Championship. It was the

1025
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: first year after they went from match play back to stroke. Yeah,

1026
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: some of some some time a rule changed and like

1027
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: players got grandfathered out, you know, but those guys, some

1028
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: of those guys. So the guys who won the PGA

1029
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: Championship were grandfathered in and that's so like he was

1030
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: listed number one, he was like he could have been

1031
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: the first person in any PGA tour field. And I

1032
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: just wanted so badly for the night, get doubt to go.

1033
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: You know what, I am going to play the Memorial

1034
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: this year, right, yeah, yeah, just like yeah, I am

1035
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: going to play the Barracouta Classics this year. That this

1036
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: has been a fun conversation is always with the usual

1037
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: diversions Um, but typically Captain Russell, Henley, dolfinster Wall, Patrick Read,

1038
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Shane and Ryan Um, Justine Read and various others who

1039
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: made an appearance on this pod. So another fire drill

1040
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: is in the books. We'll keep doing these, uh, every

1041
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: every Sunday. And for Michael Bamberger and Ryan French, I'm

1042
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: Alan Schepnak. Thanks for listening and we'll be back in

1043
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: your ear soon. A bed big played to win, made

1044
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: a fortune win my ship game in I ran the table,

1045
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: never thought I could fall. Then the winter hit me,

1046
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: lack a cannon, the ball, and now I can't shake

1047
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: this losing the stream. Every road I take is a

1048
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: dead end. Stream I got got in my head, can't

1049
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: get now. Trying not to think what I'm thinking about

1050
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: IM Gov of Throns in my head, can't get him out,

1051
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: Trying not to think what I'm thinking about h