WEBVTT - How Would a Salary Cap Impact the Mets? | 603 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.000 Well, it's about that time for us to start talking 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:06.160 about labor negotiations. Again, nothing new is necessarily out, but 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.479 it's been a topic on Twitter, myself, James, all the 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.960 Mega Baseball people. Basically somehow Someway made the exact same 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:19.840 tweet talking about the MLB owner's proposal about salarily, salary 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.560 floor and cap and then our opinions on it. So 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.520 we're gonna share our opinions, come up with some creative 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.000 ideas because ultimately neither the owners or the PA is 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:29.800 gonna get what they want. So what's gonna be the 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.519 actual middle ground that happens. Before we get going into it, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.080 make sure you guys are subscribed to metstuff over here 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.599 on YouTube for more labor talking mets up content. If 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.960 you want to listen to us, Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.920 Drops the Ring, drops a review, download and subscribe. James, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.040 tell the people at home what we're talking about. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.680 First off, Well, first off, I do think it's funny 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.080 that there's a new rage bait baseball account out there. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.240 It's doing an amazing job. It's called Punch Out Pitch 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.400 and they Chef's Kiss and they apparently just took the 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.440 Jesse Rodgers reportion I believe May about the proposal from 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.200 that game that league from the owners in the league 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.920 about two hundred and forty five million dollars salary cap 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.720 and one hundred and seventy one million dollar floor, and 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.560 we mentioned it on Messed Up. Then we did a 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.039 long two videos instead about it on the wind Up. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.760 And it's basically the fact that one these owners continue 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.920 to be complete disingenuous in the way they're beginning these negotiations. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.440 The fact that half of the league right now is 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.679 under that one hundred and seventy one million dollar floor. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.680 About a third of the league I think sixteens are 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.240 over the two hundred and forty five cap, so right now, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.760 that's two thirds of the league almost entirely that's not 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.039 going to be within the constraints of the salary cap 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.280 that's being proposed that would start next season as part 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.520 of their proposal. And the fact that they're just trying 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.240 to be slimmy about it. They've gotten the people on 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.119 their side now, which is unfortunate when. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.600 The people are completely on the owner side right now, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.280 which is maybe the most disappointing thing. And listen, like, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 even for those of you at home who were listening 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.360 or watching us talk about this. I'm not trying to 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.680 convince you to be on any side. I'm not going 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.600 to tell you that you're right or wrong because of 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.440 what side you're on. We are going to tell you 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.560 our opinions, and I like to think that our opinions 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.280 are correct, which is why I love to share them. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.400 But like, at the same time, I can understand like 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.560 the smoother brained individuals who are signing with the owners 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.919 on this because the way they've been putting out this 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.120 propaganda has made it. They've done a great job with 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.359 the propaganda. I can't lie. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.400 Amazing job. Even if you go on MLB dot com 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.079 now or even sometimes you're watching ye watching MB games, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.080 commercials passed through, little ads passed through about how much 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.800 an you competitive balance and a salary cap and all that. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.320 Dude, they ask the fans, what are this couple of 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.519 fans in that clip, like talking about how they need 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.720 the playing field to B level. There's Mets fans in there. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.080 I'm like, if there's any fan bases that should be 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.160 very very anti salary cap, the New York Mets and 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.440 our fans should be one of the loudest dissenters of 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:44.280 a salary cap. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.880 And I think that hurts specifically you and I, yes, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.919 because when we talk about these labors tactics up front, 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:53.760 people like, oh, Mets fan, they just want to use 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.399 their money. I think the Mets are a very good 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.400 example of why money does not guarantee anything. You just 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:59.880 as much money as you want, you can still suck 0:02:59.919 --> 0:03:00.480 like the Mets. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.000 It's what's so funny is like we get dogged all 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.320 the time for being a Mets fan in this conversation 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.560 and then also dogged all the time on Twitter and 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.000 social media for being Mets fans of like, loll, your 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.000 team sucks. Look how much money you spend and you 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.960 still lose. But then whenever the labor conversation comes up, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.760 all the Pirates fans and the Guardians fans and all 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.000 these fair yeah, all these organizations where they don't spend money, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.720 they come at us and they're like, well, yeah, of 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.720 course a Mets fan wouldn't want That's like, so when 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.280 we're bad, Lol, you spend all this money, you stink. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.239 Money doesn't buy you rings. But then when the conversation 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.120 conveniently goes to helping them out in their mind, even 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.040 though we know that their ownership won't change at all. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.160 They go, well, you're a Mets fan, you want to 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.920 spend as much money as possible. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.240 Which, again I think a lot of us here are 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:43.600 Mets fans. We can be in the trust tree and 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.440 talk about the fact that one, of course, we don't 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.640 want a salary cap just because of what it would have, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.720 probably negative impact on the Mets, because they can't win 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.040 with money. I don't know how much. I don't know 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.640 how much gonna be able to win with less money. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.520 But at the same time, it's much more of a 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.560 larger talk here about just labor in general, about the 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.440 players versus the owners. A beef not beef is a 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.880 way too reductive way to put this, but just the 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.280 battle that's been going on in baseball for better than 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.280 like sixty seventy years now, since Kurkflood helped take away 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.320 the reserve clause, since Cafish Hunter was the first real 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.760 free agent like it is. It's been a long standing 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.120 fight and Major League Baseball should be proud. The players 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.120 should be very proud. They have by far the best 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.480 union in professional sports, one of the best unions this 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.760 country's ever seen. That's still active today. It's amazing what 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.159 they've done and Marvin Miller. Marvin Miller is a reason 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:27.920 for that, making sure the players knew what they were 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.599 worth and how scandalous the owners were back in the day. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.240 The owners wouldn't let the players know how much each 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.040 player got. Crazy salaries were completely hidden because they didn't 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.120 want the three hitter to learn that the five hitter 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.120 was making more money than ask for more money. And 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.240 these owners at the time, again it was a simpler world. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:45.919 As a simpler life, there wasn't as much money in 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:47.919 the game. They would do things like at the end 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.320 of the year, a big part of the on their boats, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.320 while the players be like, oh, it's owner treatment so well, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.520 when they don't even realize they have forty percent lower 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.479 salaries than teams in their own city. Like it's just 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.039 forever the owners have been doing everything they can to 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.280 hide how much money they have and make sure the 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.680 players don't get their worth. And that's exactly what's going 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:03.119 on again. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.120 And like the way that I like to go about 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.280 this conversation is like what our opinion is and what 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.880 we think would be like the right way to go 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.680 about it and why it is. But also at the 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.039 same time, like, yes, while Bob Nutting and the Dolans 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.359 in Cleveland and some of those are in Miami and 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.080 Tampa Bay, like all these owners. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.039 Techno, yes, Sacramento, these. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.400 Owners can spend so much more money. But at the 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.720 same time, I think what makes major League Baseball great 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.839 is the fact that theoretically owners can spend however they want. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.160 It is their business. I also think part of this 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.880 conversation is, like, yes, Bob Nutting should be spending more money, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.160 because if the Pirates got an extra thirty million dollars, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.840 they could be a legit contender in the National League. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.040 But he can choose how to run his organization however 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.279 he wants. I think it's a loser move, but that 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.640 is what's great about how the current rules are in 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.440 Major League Baseball. That being said, there is clearly collusion 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.360 going on with the owners about spending and what's going on. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.080 We've seen that the average age of free agents. They 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.960 want to boost that up. There's a lot of again 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.720 I hate to use the word propaganda because it's a 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.320 little bit like we're repetitive now, but there's a lot 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:10.400 of misinformation going on alongside these negotiations. And things that 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.800 are being told to the medium put out there that 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.560 I think a lot of fans are super misunderstanding. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.040 I think part of that is the timing of how 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.000 all this is going down right now. Like one of 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.919 the biggest piece of misinformation that's going around about the 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.960 last era of baseball, not the last few seasons, is 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.000 that baseball has no parody. And it feels like that 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.440 right now because the Dodgers have won consecutive World Series 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.479 and they're heavy, heavy favorites to win a third this 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.360 coming season. But if you look past that, before Shoheo 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:42.719 Tani went to the Dodgers, Rangers, Astros, Braves, Nationals, Red Sox, Astros, Cobs, Royals, Giants, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.200 Red Sox, I mean Giants, Cardinals, Giants again, Giants, decently 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:47.840 big market team, but not like the most money in 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.760 the world Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox. Great great run here 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:55.280 for the Red Sox, Cardinals, White Sox, Red Sox, Marlin's Angels, Diamondbacks, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.839 Yankees like that. That's a very large breath of different 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.440 teams from different types of cities with different ways of 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.839 building their own teams that either won just one World 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.640 Series since the year two thousand or built their own 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.239 quasi dynasties between the Giants, the Astros, the Red Sox 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.440 kind of HAPHAZARDLYI is here, haphazardously here and there, the 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.280 Braves always being in the mix. Like it's not exactly 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.360 money equals wins. Money helps a shit ton, no doubt 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:21.640 about that. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.120 Money helps. Will never deny that. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.560 Never doubt that. But it hasn't been as I don't know, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.600 as direct impact in the last era of baseball. They 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.040 think a lot of people feel like it is right 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.080 now because of the recency buys of the Dodgers going nuclear. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.800 I also think that compared to other sports, like these 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.880 theoretical rookie contracts, they helped these small market teams a ton. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.080 The fact that a guy like Paul Schemes, the fact 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.920 that Derek Scooble, all these guys have to spend their 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.600 service time for a minimum of what six years with 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.720 the team that they're originally drafted by, or that they 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.119 end up on their rookie contract with these other sports, 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.720 rookie contracts are way way shorter. That inherently does help 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.800 these small market teams in a way. Does have the 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.400 least rights for players of any league yeah, that's but 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.360 people like we want to be like the NFL, God. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.960 For bid, you definitely do not guaranteed contracts. I heard 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.440 someone say we need to go to them, like, why 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.600 would we ever take fifty steps backwards? 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.680 Why do people want to take all this out of 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.160 the players. Doesn't make any sense to me. But it's 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.920 also hard for me sometimes to compare because people always 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.000 try to bring those comparisons in the NBA and the NFL. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.720 MLB has to be more like those, and one I 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.560 don't see very much parity in those sports compared basketball. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.200 This last era has had much more paar of these 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:29.280 since they went second apron. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.520 But do you want to go through I'm going to 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.040 go through them real quick with you. I'm gonna go 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.120 over the last since twenty sixteen, will go over the 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.520 last ten. Right. So in the NFL Super Bowl Champions, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.079 the Seahawks, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Chiefs, the Rams, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.480 the Buccaneers, the Chiefs the Patriots. By the way, Patriots 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.640 and Buccaneers in that time, they're the same team because 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.640 it's Tom Brady, the Eagles, the Patriots. So we have 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.280 had how many different teams there? Like four? Like four 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.640 or five different teams. I think we've had a lot 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.520 of the same quarterbacks, which is kind of funny to 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:00.520 talk about as well. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.600 But that's also why it's funny too when you compare 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.240 those sports. Those sports I think inherently lend themselves less 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.079 to parody because they're so much more impacted by a 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.600 single player. And football quarterback is the most important position 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.000 in all sports, that always will be. And basketball like 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:15.640 one out of five guys around the court at the time, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.679 you can just do so much more if you're an 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.280 individual basketball player, Like if you're Jaln Brunson and you're 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.439 you're the best player in the league. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:22.640 Yeah you can will. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.600 You can will your team to being going from a 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.520 franchise that was complete dogshit for fifty some odd years 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.480 to now being one of the premially perennial powerhouses. Even 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.320 if you have a guy like you know, Stephan Castle 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:34.679 on the other side, any other great players that s 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:35.760 first team I can't remember. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:37.440 Yeah, I don't know any of them. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.040 But like Obianny, even if people want to. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.839 Have like the small market teams have a shot, it's 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.520 like it's literally all about the quarterback. That's the only 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.040 thing that matters there. And Tom Brady going to Tampa 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.480 Bay because the Patriots no longer wanted him, allowed or 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:49.640 small market team to win. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.439 Yeah, and pat Patrick Mahomes signing his contracts being Kansas 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.480 City forever. I can't imagine if like the Royals had 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.719 a superstar in baseball, only there's no way they'd be 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.559 able to lock up that superstar long. No, never, Surely 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.880 you can't say it's because the Dodgers or the Yankees, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.240 or the Mets or the Red Sox will come along 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.440 and steal them. And then in the NBA, the Golden 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.400 State Warriors were in the finals I think for six 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.600 straight seasons. In the Lebron James, Yeah, Lebron James for 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.000 h Street. And then it was the Lakers and the 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.880 Celtics and the Heat. Like a lot of these teams 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.760 are very repeat You're gonna get some. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.920 New teams in there, like the Toronto Raptors. You're gonna 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.040 see the Phoenix Suns make a splash. Hear every once 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.559 in a while, the Milwaukee Bucks. But then all of 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.040 a sudden you start to realize again, oh, it's literally 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.160 run by superstars. And that is also the big difference 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.320 between baseball and these other sports. Superstars don't guarant Having 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.520 a superstar doesn't guarantee that your team's gonna go to 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.680 the finals, even go to the playoffs. You could have 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.319 the best player in baseball and you don't go to 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.000 the playoffs. You can to the best team. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.160 Yeah, and I think that's one of the reasons why 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.040 at the same time, the baseball money arguments do kind 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.040 of work because since you do need so many more players, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.240 someone was telling me, like how NBA salaries are double 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.680 MLB salaries. I was like, they employ half the amount 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.000 of guys on the active roster, Like literally, it makes 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.560 a lot of sense there, but like that is something 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.360 where it's like, yeah, when you're the Dodgers team and 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.280 you can add this even the Yankees right now, like 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.160 adding these monster pitching staffs over and over again on 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.480 top of each other. Yeah, that's where the money does 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.320 win out over time real quick. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.400 As we're talking about the Dodgers, of course, want to 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:24.160 give a quick shout to today's sponsor, Fox one. MLB 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.480 on Fox is streaming on Fox one. The Race to 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.880 October starts now, and we have your front row seat 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.199 to the wildest walk offs, lights out pitching, and clutch 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.440 plays all season long. Follow every camp miss matchup as 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.040 team's battle for a spot in the postseason. Then stream 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.520 the twenty twenty six World Series live on Fox one 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.959 at home or on the go live or on demand, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.240 never miss a moment stream Now, there's. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.840 A lot of really good games this weekend streaming on 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.120 Fox one. The Mets are on FS one against National 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.199 Saturday at four o'clock, and then there's a crazy Fox 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.200 Triple Heather Saturday Night led by Brewers Dodgers, two of 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.559 the best teams in baseball, Red Sox Pirates as the 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.960 Pirates track clawed their way back in and brace dineback. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.280 Also a huge game for playoff seating it Who knows. 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.120 If you watch the Brewers and the Dodgers on Saturday night, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.160 you might see their high price closed d Midaz blow 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:07.600 another save. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.080 If you stole my line, I was literally gonna say, jeeps, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.280 you see what happened last night with the Dodgers against 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.560 the Brewers. Surely Edwin Diaz went one, two three and 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:15.400 locked that game up. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.160 No, of course, that's the thing with money. You can 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.679 always just buy the best players and they always come 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:19.320 to the best results. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.199 Yeah, money guarantees winning. That's what I've heard, and the 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.439 best players get paid all the best money. That's all 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:25.840 we got for you, though, make sure you're watching some 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:30.680 baseball over on Fox One. Appreciate them for sponsoring today's episode. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.640 Yeah, me too, But back to the labor talk. I 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.640 think another thing that's funny not funny. It is honestly 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.640 kind of sad. And you mentioned it before, but even 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.839 just to expand on it now, the way a lot 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.640 of these fan bases cap and like defend their owners 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.080 who clearly, overtime don't do what they need to do 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.840 to allow their team to win. The Pirates fans, I think, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.880 are some of the most loud on social media. It's 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.600 a shame ritual, it is, and I do understand where 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.160 they're coming from, where they likely would have a better 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.400 chance to win baseball game if there was a salary 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.560 cap theoretically. And also one of someone said that to 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.480 me and the replies I was like, why don't you 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.360 guys just spend like the thirty million dollars to get 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:08.800 to the salary floor this year and you could have 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.880 reached the playoffs? And he was like, it's so stupid 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.439 to spend that when the Dodgers are what they are, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.200 so I was like, you just want you're not going 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:15.880 to spend money to win baseball games, Like you just 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.640 you're gonna accept that they're going to win. Like what 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.120 kind of you shouldn't be owning a team? This is 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.040 This is Rando on Twitter. This is not about one 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.160 about nothings lackies, or. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:23.480 Maybe it is. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.360 I don't know, maybe it's Burner himself, who knows really 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.120 at the end of the day, but it's just that 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.400 kind of those kind of logic games to me don't 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.800 really make any sense. We're also if there's a salary 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.440 cap on player salaries, the thing that will wind up 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.880 being the most important the next era of baseball is 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.200 how teams are developing their own players, and on top 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.920 of that, how much money, Because it seems like that's 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.000 not going to be subject to a cap. Teams are 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.440 spending on their own development, and all of these teams 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.960 like the Mets, the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Red Sox 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.200 are going to be spending more money on development. Still 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.320 even though your cap number is the same, They're gonna 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.319 be pumping better players out over the next decade, and 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.480 these teams are in the bottom still will not reach 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:57.840 the top. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.000 Also, I believe that this one hundred and seventy one 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:04.080 million dollar payroll floor is not just two player salaries. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.719 I tell you that this is to everything. So you're 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.920 still going to have teams that spend one hundred and 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.720 ten one hundred and twenty million dollars, and the Dodgers 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.360 and the Mets and the Yankees are still going to 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.280 be at the top. Not to mention, if this cap 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.160 comes through, there is going to be a major, major, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.800 major advantage right now to the teams that go above 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.480 the cap at the start, they're gonna have a massive, 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.440 massive advantage because they're obviously going to be grandfathered in. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.080 So if you really want to talk about like the 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.960 difference in what's going to happen, the Dodgers are gonna 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.600 get a massive, massive boost just because they have all 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.200 these players already in there well over it and you 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.320 can't really penalize them because they played under the rules prior. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.240 Yeah, it's just again that part of this is the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.560 dialogue that really makes me up sense, Sam. If there's 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.480 one owner in Major League Baseball right now who I 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.240 would say, honestly, that's the one who probably actually can't 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.720 spend more money. It'd be Bob Castelini, yes, grocery store 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.000 mogul who still owned Cincinnati Rhetz. But at the same 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.200 time this passed offseason only a few short months ago. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.360 He was right there to the end negotiating with Kyle Schwarber, 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.000 and it leaked out afterwards that they wanted to bring 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.080 in Schwarbur because they figured a hometown guy Schwarber's from 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.680 central Ohio and maybe he's just outside Cincinnati Middletown, Ohio, 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.240 I don't remember exactly, could boost ticket sales as a 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.560 hometown guy, big slugger. And then when he went to 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.280 sound with the Phillies instead, who took it was a 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.640 better offer, but the Reds offer was still competitive. There 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.400 wasn't any desire of the Reds to redistribute those money, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.360 that money that they set aside for acquiring Kyle Schwarber, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.680 to another slugger that the team desperately needed. They said 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.360 that fuck it, yeah, We're just. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.480 Not gonna spend that anymore, which is crazy because again, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.440 part of what our tweets were about this, like rehashing 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.840 of what the salary floor and the salary cap would 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.800 look like, is that the owners have whether or not. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.240 You guys actually realize it. Admitted to spending and being 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.600 able to spend more money this salary for thing. My 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.480 top comments and maybe yours were two James was revenue sharing, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.320 revenue sharing, revenue sharing. It's gonna be more revenue sharing. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.720 That's how they can afford to spend this. You know 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.160 how much teams get in revenue you're sharing right now, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.280 just based on how it currently is conservatively about seventy 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.000 to eighty million dollars a season in revenue sharing. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.240 And there are some estimates that stretches high as one 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.520 hundred and fifty or two hundred million dollars, but again, 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.200 that stuff changes year of the year. There's been a 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.920 lot of turbulence with Major League Baseball media deals heading 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.480 into this year. And the other big thing that underscores 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.240 is no one's like revenue sharing. Once we get more money, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.040 will spend more money. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.240 One. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.680 It's very funny to hear that from the same kinds 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.920 of people who maybe complain in other parts of life 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.640 that they will want these people getting hand outs. They can't. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.760 They can't let the rich people solve their problems for them. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.520 They have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.720 suddenly these little, dainty, little one point two billionaires are like, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.800 oh no, we need big Daddy Steve Cohen and the 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.680