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Speaker 2: How are we doing, boys?
Speaker 5: We're doing better than Sam Williams. Unfortunately, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that. We'll get to that.
Speaker 6: Nate, Hey, you gotta you gotta cut of wrestling promo
Speaker 6: for me?
Speaker 7: God? Why two k Josh, Josh Rodrigez, we're.
Speaker 5: Gonna wrestling promos, okay, and you know what I gotta
Speaker 5: go with? Right?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 8: Let me talk to you? Yeah?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was pretty good, Josh, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: How are we doing? Fellas? I mean, it's a beautiful.
Speaker 5: Day, another beautiful day in California, man.
Speaker 2: It was a somber day of practice yesterday.
Speaker 6: Obviously we need to get to it. But Patrick, do
Speaker 6: you want to hit us with some news and notes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's start with the bad, the really, really,
Speaker 5: really bad. Sam Williams, Cowboys third year defensive end. He
Speaker 5: went down early in practice yesterday individual drills, non contact injury.
Speaker 5: Caught it off of the field. M R I basically
Speaker 5: revealed the worst case scenario. He has suffered a torn
Speaker 5: a c L and a torn m is officially done
Speaker 5: for the season before the season gets started, and we'll
Speaker 5: talk about the impact of that. But that is massive,
Speaker 5: massive for both Sam and the Cowboys. Gary An Connley
Speaker 5: a veteran cornerback who has signed this offseason out of
Speaker 5: the UFL, looking to rebuild himself in the NFL. He
Speaker 5: decided to notify the team he retired, so they went
Speaker 5: ahead and released him, and in the same day they
Speaker 5: were successfully awarded Keemon Hall off of the waiver wire.
Speaker 5: He was waived one day prior by the San Francisco
Speaker 5: forty nine ers. Hall is an undrafted free agent of
Speaker 5: the Los Angeles Chargers in twenty nineteen, but he spent
Speaker 5: some time here in Dallas with the Cowboys on the
Speaker 5: practice squad in twenty twenty, so this is a second
Speaker 5: time around for him. They also signed Deontay Burnett and
Speaker 5: Kelvin Harmon, both wide receivers out of the UFL. That's
Speaker 5: going to give them some more competition. By the way,
Speaker 5: position shots out to that Arlington renengage one hundred percent,
Speaker 5: and that's also due to the fact that rookie wide
Speaker 5: receivers Ryan Flinoy is dealing with what's being described as
Speaker 5: a minor knee issue right now. Mike McCarthy said on
Speaker 5: yesterday that he does not quote unquote deem it anything serious.
Speaker 5: He calls it day to day. Hopefully that remains the case.
Speaker 5: And on the contract front, because I know you all
Speaker 5: want to know about the contracts, right that's what you're
Speaker 5: here for. You know that in football, the Cowboys did
Speaker 5: submit a new offer to both Not the lawnmower man,
Speaker 5: even though he's on his on his job.
Speaker 6: He's on overtime, overtime, he's on overtime, he submits it.
Speaker 6: Oh day off, let's interrupt everybody and.
Speaker 5: Let's get close to him. Yeah yeah, let's come right
Speaker 5: up to let's come right up to their back. They
Speaker 5: submitted a new offer to both Dak Prescott and CDEE
Speaker 5: Lamb as recently as this past weekend, so that both
Speaker 5: of those contract talks have traction and I mean nothing
Speaker 5: imminent as we have this conversation, but either one or
Speaker 5: both could fall right out of the sky at any point.
Speaker 2: What about you, Nate, any news and.
Speaker 9: Notes brought their The cd Lamb thing needs to get done,
Speaker 9: Dak needs to get done. It'll work. I mean, they
Speaker 9: just throwing office out there just to keep the talks open,
Speaker 9: that's all.
Speaker 8: They just of course the blood flowing.
Speaker 6: And one thing Mike McCarthy said about the receivers that
Speaker 6: were brought in, it's healthy competition. And with Florinoyd sort
Speaker 6: of on the back burner right now, caustiously optimistic, you know,
Speaker 6: pulling him back, keeping him from those drills, it makes
Speaker 6: sense to bring in some healthy competition and guys that
Speaker 6: are seasoned and season in the fact that they are
Speaker 6: ready to play football right now. They were just playing
Speaker 6: in the UFL mere months ago, I think a month
Speaker 6: ago actually, so it makes sense for them to be
Speaker 6: on the field at this point.
Speaker 5: They're ready that wide receiver position. Those those two young guys,
Speaker 5: Burnett and Harmon. They've been to come in ready, ready
Speaker 5: to get cooking because that wide receiver position in the
Speaker 5: absence of Cedde Lamb and obviously Brandon Cooks is out
Speaker 5: there doing his thing. But you talk about the law
Speaker 5: firm of Jalen, Jalen and Jalen, those guys are cooking. Yesterday,
Speaker 5: Tying Billy Johnson had had a massive day yesterday. I
Speaker 5: think he had like eight catches on nine targets. One
Speaker 5: of them was that deep bomb with Kayln Carson on
Speaker 5: his hip. Another rookie, not another rookie, because Tyron's not
Speaker 5: a rookie, but a rookie who had a big day
Speaker 5: yesterday as well, having a big camp. That one deep
Speaker 5: ball that was giving up to Tyron Billy Johnson number one,
Speaker 5: it was a perfect throw. Number two. It was the
Speaker 5: only time that Kayln Carson got beat yesterday. He was
Speaker 5: man handling whoever was put in front of him outside
Speaker 5: of that place. So wide receiver battle was off to
Speaker 5: the races.
Speaker 2: Nice, nice, Okay.
Speaker 6: So I want to discuss sort of the ramifications of
Speaker 6: the Sam Williams injury. I think it's you know, obviously
Speaker 6: we lose him for twenty twenty four it's unfortunate, But
Speaker 6: now we have to next man up. What happens next?
Speaker 6: How are you guys looking at the out the outlook
Speaker 6: now of the rest of the season with Sam Williams
Speaker 6: contributing not only on defense but also on special teams.
Speaker 6: And we talked about this on camping out, so this
Speaker 6: is kind of a carryover. But what do we think
Speaker 6: about the ramifications of him losing out, losing him for
Speaker 6: the rest of the season, that.
Speaker 9: Was a big, a big loss, especially in your past
Speaker 9: for a situation. He's a playmaker now he he'll make
Speaker 9: a play on the run too. I mean, this was
Speaker 9: the year where he was looking for great maturity, a
Speaker 9: great leap from this young man. But being that he's
Speaker 9: out now and out for the year, I mean, and
Speaker 9: Vilma for Hoko and guys like that got to step up.
Speaker 9: But I'm gonna tell you something. Will McClay is excited
Speaker 9: about this Marshawn Neeland.
Speaker 8: He I mean, he's just.
Speaker 9: He made will cross two steps across fish or whatever.
Speaker 9: I mean, just several times watching the explosiveness of this kid,
Speaker 9: watching the lateral movement of.
Speaker 8: This kid, he said, you know, just uh a bigger
Speaker 8: d law.
Speaker 9: That's what He called him a bigger d Law with
Speaker 9: a with a with a.
Speaker 8: With a lot more potential.
Speaker 2: So and Patrick has said similar things too.
Speaker 5: He's d Law junior, called him junior tank. That's basically
Speaker 5: what to me, That's how I view Marshan Nieland and
Speaker 5: I said this after the second round pick and a
Speaker 5: lot of people on you know, the Twitter sphere, x Field,
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it, kind of knocking the
Speaker 5: pick just because he was He wasn't a household name
Speaker 5: as far as pre draft is concerned. But if you
Speaker 5: go back and you look at this kid's film and
Speaker 5: you look at what he's able to do. Number one,
Speaker 5: he's one of the best run stoppers off of the
Speaker 5: edge in the entire draft. So he wanted the Cowboys
Speaker 5: to woke up their run defense. Here's Marshaan Kneeland. Also,
Speaker 5: he has the pass rush ability. When you look at
Speaker 5: special teams in the absence of Sam who you know,
Speaker 5: gave you a huge chunk of special team snaps as well,
Speaker 5: Marshannland is going to be dropped right into that bucket
Speaker 5: as well. So the rookie is getting thrown from the
Speaker 5: frying pan right into the fire. He's going to have
Speaker 5: to acclimate quickly. My concern there is you lose during
Speaker 5: Armstrong the free agency, you lose Dante follow the free agency.
Speaker 5: Now you lose Sam Williams to a season ending injury.
Speaker 2: What rotation?
Speaker 5: The rotation is a huge question mark because Marshawn kneeling.
Speaker 5: While he has the potential, he has the ceiling. I'm
Speaker 5: here with you, Big Nate, and I know you're gonna agree.
Speaker 5: He hasn't played yet. Yeah, you don't know what you
Speaker 5: have yet in him at the NFL level. Behind him,
Speaker 5: you have a guy like Darrell Johnson. You don't know
Speaker 5: what you have there yet. Byron Vaughn's you don't know
Speaker 5: what you have there yet. Tyris Whet special teams contributor defensively,
Speaker 5: you don't know what you have there yet. Former rookie
Speaker 5: fourth round pick from last year, junior Viniami Fooko, was
Speaker 5: unable to earn reps onto the field last year under
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn, you don't know what you have there yet.
Speaker 5: It's just so many unknowns that this could very well
Speaker 5: be a situation where the Cowboys do need to go
Speaker 5: into free agency and bring in a veteran to help
Speaker 5: stabilize the right side of that defensive line.
Speaker 6: Well, let's take a look at the possible free agents
Speaker 6: to sort of supplement the new vacant dat spot. Patrick,
Speaker 6: did you sort of I know we were talking about
Speaker 6: this yesterday.
Speaker 2: Did you take a look at the free.
Speaker 6: Agents that are on the wire now that could be
Speaker 6: considered for that vacant d E spot.
Speaker 5: I did, And obviously a potential trade is always going
Speaker 5: to be on the table as well. But we're not
Speaker 5: gonna talk any specific names because I'm not gonna cost
Speaker 5: the Cowboys a draft pick, no, sir, not me. We're
Speaker 5: gonna focus on those who are not under contract and
Speaker 5: we're gonna talk about that. Carl Lawson had a very
Speaker 5: interesting tweet on yesterday, simply tweeted an emoji, a star
Speaker 5: emoji reading to that how you will, But just know
Speaker 5: that he's monitoring the situation not only in the Cowboys camp,
Speaker 5: but in all thirty two NFL camps to see what
Speaker 5: his best situation is gonna be. Carl Lawson obviously someone
Speaker 5: of the Cowboys liked coming out of his respective draft.
Speaker 5: Yannick in Gocway. That's a name to keep an eye
Speaker 5: on as well. And Gocway also has a pre existing
Speaker 5: relationship with Mike Zimmer. They spent time together with the
Speaker 5: Minnesota Vikings in twenty twenty. Those are going to be
Speaker 5: my top two guys. Have a couple other guys as well,
Speaker 5: Tyas Bowser, he's a name that you guys are familiar
Speaker 5: with him, should be familiar with. And then Charles Harris
Speaker 5: is a name as well if you want to go
Speaker 5: with more veteran ability who has been proven justin Houston.
Speaker 5: He's out there as well. I don't know how much
Speaker 5: few he has left in the tank. And much like
Speaker 5: Bowser and Harris, I shouldn't say much like, but Bowsing Harris,
Speaker 5: they've coming They're coming off of injuries, right, so you
Speaker 5: don't know what you have there. So my top two
Speaker 5: to keep an eye on Carl Lost and Yannick and
Speaker 5: got Away.
Speaker 2: But there are options and.
Speaker 8: And my picks. I have some picks real Johnson.
Speaker 9: I'm serious for Hoko we because the bad thing about
Speaker 9: his injury is that it happened to Sam's Williams, which
Speaker 9: was asking a lot from the great thing about his
Speaker 9: injuries it happened early enough.
Speaker 8: So you can get a good look.
Speaker 7: At these guys.
Speaker 9: You know, I remember early when Dak career started. Uh
Speaker 9: we we we You know you had Tony and you
Speaker 9: had I can't think of the other guy. That guy
Speaker 9: just left our office to coordinate a couple of years ago.
Speaker 9: You know, they got hurt all of a sudden, like
Speaker 9: we need to go to waver wire. Will looked to
Speaker 9: me and said, now, Will McLay Liliam said, noah, we got
Speaker 9: this kid here right now. It's so early. We don't
Speaker 9: bring in a soul. Look at these kids now, I
Speaker 9: mean they don't get days off anyway because they're young, right,
Speaker 9: Just look at them over and over and over and
Speaker 9: may go even into the first preseason game. Looking at
Speaker 9: these kids, making sure that the things that you saw,
Speaker 9: they they have gotten better, a little bit better after
Speaker 9: a year, if they new to this game, see how
Speaker 9: quick their learning curve is. And then with the background
Speaker 9: noise and carry on.
Speaker 5: Man, I tell you that long gets mold something serious.
Speaker 5: But I mean, Nate makes a great point, and it's
Speaker 5: like what I said before we start talking about some
Speaker 5: free agency names. These are names that are here in
Speaker 5: camp that have to step up and have to step
Speaker 5: up in a big way. Darrell Johnson Byron Vaughn's junior
Speaker 5: for Hoko Tyrus Wheed. But then also keep an eye
Speaker 5: on a guy like Chauncey Ghost. Yes, Chauncey Ghost and
Speaker 5: started his career with the Cowboys. On the end. They
Speaker 5: moved him inside to help with that defensive tackle equation,
Speaker 5: but they might have to pop him back outside. He
Speaker 5: was taking some reps at the edge over the past
Speaker 5: couple of days, even prior to Sam going down. So
Speaker 5: maybe that increases, especially with Chauncey going into a contract year.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he welcomed as many reps as possible to
Speaker 5: try to have a breakout.
Speaker 8: Yere.
Speaker 9: You got to remember Zim go back to his Minnesota day.
Speaker 9: Zim doesn't have a problem with a tweener guy.
Speaker 8: He likes guy.
Speaker 9: If you look at what he's brought in in Kneeland,
Speaker 9: look at his lower body. Zim still has that old
Speaker 9: school mentality. We're gonna stop the run, you know we
Speaker 9: I mean that perfect athlete. I love him, but I
Speaker 9: gotta have somebody with some with some weight with you know,
Speaker 9: with some bottom to him. I don't know how to
Speaker 9: put that without saying a big butt.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And so you look at Kneeland, you look at Golds.
Speaker 9: So these are two guys like that. And uh, but
Speaker 9: Niland ran four six two, so he can get on
Speaker 9: that end. And yesterday we watched him in past rush.
Speaker 9: You got some explosions to him, you know, in past
Speaker 9: rush situation.
Speaker 6: Speaking of explosiveness, Uh, Manzi Smith, Yeah, are we seeing this?
Speaker 6: Are we seeing the same thing?
Speaker 5: Are we getting I'm seeing it and I'm seeing it
Speaker 5: with the glasses on. So that's how I know that
Speaker 5: it's right. Mazzie Smith, He's checking all the boxes right now,
Speaker 5: he really is. He's checking all the boxes. Over three
Speaker 5: hundred pounds, reporting the camp over three hundred pounds. Check
Speaker 5: power still as explosive and legendary as it was when
Speaker 5: he was at Michigan. Check get off on the snap
Speaker 5: a massive, massive criticism of Mazzie Smith from last season.
Speaker 5: He's timing up well. And it's funny because not funny
Speaker 5: but ironic and not coincidental. We're talking about Sam. But
Speaker 5: there was a video I posted two days ago, was
Speaker 5: through the walk through the mock game when it was
Speaker 5: a four man down set. It was Sam Williams oh
Speaker 5: Soo DIGGI'SU with Mazzie Smith and Marshawn neelm and I
Speaker 5: was right there lined up with the ball and on
Speaker 5: the snap only one person was equal to Mazzie Smith
Speaker 5: on the quickness on the first step, and that was
Speaker 5: Sam Williams. So take that how you will, because Sam Williams,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, is deparently the quickest first step on
Speaker 5: the defense for anyone not named Michael Parsons.
Speaker 9: I'll tell you like this and for all you guys
Speaker 9: and gals that oh it is. It is a pass
Speaker 9: for what they are asking these players to do at
Speaker 9: this point in time.
Speaker 5: Talk to them.
Speaker 8: Guys are doing it. I call it the forty nine
Speaker 8: of practice.
Speaker 9: The league has evolved into how the forty nine ers
Speaker 9: used to practice. They will put on pads for inside run,
Speaker 9: pass for one on one passing and one on one
Speaker 9: pass rush, and then they would take them off and
Speaker 9: the rest of the practices about speed, about quickness, about
Speaker 9: knowing where to be. These young guys, especially the second
Speaker 9: year got third year guy, they are moving so much
Speaker 9: faster than a year ago, especially the offensive.
Speaker 8: Everybody knows where to be. I saw.
Speaker 9: I don't know what y'all have decided on what to
Speaker 9: call turping, these different names turbo turp.
Speaker 6: Yes, actually we have video evidence to support otherwise. I
Speaker 6: talked to Cavant Turpin yesterday and he likes the nickname
Speaker 6: Turpy Turpy Speed Speed.
Speaker 8: Okay, but anyway, I need you to cut that in.
Speaker 2: We're gonna cut it in beams, got it. He's got
Speaker 2: the video to him.
Speaker 9: I'm not calling another man. I was listening to him
Speaker 9: yesterday doing practice. He expected to get a ball, but
Speaker 9: another receiver ran in the wrong route, and he say,
Speaker 9: that's the wrong route. That lets me know that he
Speaker 9: knows where to be, knows, but he also knows where
Speaker 9: the other guy needs to be. This wasn't a turfing
Speaker 9: we knew two years ago. Maturey has set in with
Speaker 9: a lot of these guys.
Speaker 8: They are competing.
Speaker 9: Like you said earlier, these wide receivers are competing there.
Speaker 9: You know who you know who brought that fire like that?
Speaker 8: That Billy Johnson he did.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, but I'm not gonna get you know, I
Speaker 9: ain't gonna slide.
Speaker 5: For those that are saying, you know, well, as it
Speaker 5: relates to Masie's quickness on getting off on the ball
Speaker 5: with the Pats are not on. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you think the pats weighed forty pounds or fifty pounds
Speaker 5: The quickness off the ball is the quickness off the
Speaker 5: ball yest and guess what Mazzie puts on pads? The
Speaker 5: offensive line has to put on pads as well. So
Speaker 5: that to wash. Let's take it for what's happening in
Speaker 5: real time and not try to find reasons to devaluate.
Speaker 5: The fact is that's not blow it up, but that's
Speaker 5: not diminish it. The fact is he weighs more like
Speaker 5: he's supposed to. He's quicker than he was in year one.
Speaker 5: He's making progress and he's taking the steps, and that
Speaker 5: is something to be keep an eye on.
Speaker 8: Sometimes you have to take a year to mature.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 8: You know I was critical on him and my man
Speaker 8: Patrick to tell you early that.
Speaker 9: You know, I was trying to tell him for this
Speaker 9: year and this kid, you know, he's just it hadn't
Speaker 9: clicked right. Maybe it's a change of coaches. Maybe it's
Speaker 9: just maturity of knowing where he fit and what is
Speaker 9: expected of him. And what I've liked about this team
Speaker 9: concerning Mazie is they didn't go out and get nobody.
Speaker 8: They said, Mazi, look at here, you are a man.
Speaker 5: Let's go the first round pick.
Speaker 9: This is your responsibility and so so far, what they
Speaker 9: have asked these kids to do, Mazi and all the rest,
Speaker 9: turping and all the rest, they have done what the
Speaker 9: coach has actually move with quickness, nowhere to be and
Speaker 9: do it in a time to fashion.
Speaker 8: These guys have done it up to this point.
Speaker 5: And if Mazzie Smith does and continues this trajectory, basically
Speaker 5: what we're looking at is a replay of Jalen Tobert. Right, So,
Speaker 5: Jalen Tobert came into the league and he was kind
Speaker 5: of deering the headlights and he admits it, and it
Speaker 5: took him that offseason following his rookie season to kind
Speaker 5: of get back to his roots and remember himself and
Speaker 5: get back to doing what got him here. And then
Speaker 5: in year two we saw a completely different Jalen told
Speaker 5: Mean and it feels like at this moment, it feels
Speaker 5: like that's what's happening with Mazzie Smith.
Speaker 6: And speaking of Mazzi, there is a great article now
Speaker 6: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com from Nick Harris from a
Speaker 6: media availability yesterday got to talk to Mazzie Smith and
Speaker 6: got to ask him a few questions and.
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Speaker 7: Nate, I love it though, I love you so serious
Speaker 7: love all right?
Speaker 2: We got more to get to.
Speaker 6: I want to get to uh Themorron overshown Now. Patrick
Speaker 6: wrote a great article on Dallas Cowboys dot com that
Speaker 6: Nate read.
Speaker 8: How did you write? How long did you talk to him?
Speaker 5: Probably not four minutes total total audio?
Speaker 9: And you wrote a go read that documentary that he
Speaker 9: wrote a great documentary. I mean, I'm like he had
Speaker 9: to talk this kid at least three.
Speaker 5: Hours total audio was like three and a half minutes,
Speaker 5: not counting spaces.
Speaker 8: Well you did.
Speaker 2: It's not a Feller.
Speaker 5: That's that's uh a writer. It's about telling the story.
Speaker 5: And some stories are so enjoyable to tell. This young
Speaker 5: man's story is absolutely one of them. You know, even
Speaker 5: pre injury. This is an East Texas kid who grew
Speaker 5: up idolizing the Cowboys, always wanting to wear the star.
Speaker 5: He gets the nod from the Cowboys as the as
Speaker 5: the third round pick, and then he shows out immediately
Speaker 5: in his first training camp, wasted no time making some waves.
Speaker 5: He goes down first major football adversity. He had never
Speaker 5: suffered an injury as devastating as a town a cl
Speaker 5: that he suffered. Question then is can he come back?
Speaker 5: And how long would it take for him to hit
Speaker 5: prime form? And he's hitting prime form and through the
Speaker 5: process of rehabilitation, he never lost that million dollar smile,
Speaker 5: never lost that positive attitude, never lost his face. So
Speaker 5: some stories are just not only worth telling, but you
Speaker 5: just feel good telling them. And overshown is one of them.
Speaker 6: Not only that story, but I remember last year at
Speaker 6: training camp, Haley Sudden worked on a video.
Speaker 2: Shouts outh to Haley, shouts out to Haley.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: She she made an amazing video and edited herself. I'm
Speaker 6: pretty sure she did with Marvin Overstrong where she went
Speaker 6: to his town, his hometown and profiled them amazed horse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really insightful.
Speaker 8: On the horse.
Speaker 5: I don't know if they don't know she got he
Speaker 5: has horses in his family. They have horse out in
Speaker 5: East Texas.
Speaker 2: Very country.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 10: I love it.
Speaker 2: And that profile is great, but the article yesterday was
Speaker 2: even better.
Speaker 6: And uh, it's great to see a player that is
Speaker 6: unanimously loved by everybody, you know. It's like everyone's just
Speaker 6: so excited to see him on the field, see him blazing.
Speaker 6: And like I said before, the man is a specimen.
Speaker 6: He's running around on fire, genuinely like and yeah.
Speaker 5: And the beauty of it is is the fact that
Speaker 5: his rehabilitation, he didn't just focus on getting his knee stronger,
Speaker 5: getting his leg stronger. He took that opportunity to add
Speaker 5: some weight, right, But it's lean muscle mass. It's not
Speaker 5: quote unquote bad weight. As John Stevens Junior made sure
Speaker 5: that he pointed out, He's like, I didn't add bad weight,
Speaker 5: it's good way over showing his plus six over last season.
Speaker 8: Why why you looked at me when you said bad weight?
Speaker 5: I mean donalize, don't eternalize itternalize, eternalize it. Don't attack
Speaker 5: mental health, don't eternalize. We're talking objectively bad weight. Your
Speaker 5: your weight got you, you know, to legendstatus. So that's
Speaker 5: a good way, okay, right, it's relative. Okay. So over
Speaker 5: shown he's plus twelve over his pre draft waight plus
Speaker 5: six over last year. And I asked him straight straight up,
Speaker 5: I said, hey, how quickly or how long did it
Speaker 5: take him to get accustomed to his new frame, that
Speaker 5: plus six that added muscle? And he's like, it was
Speaker 5: a it was a little you know, it took a
Speaker 5: couple of days during the rehabilitation process. But he said
Speaker 5: he's back to full, full goal full form. And just
Speaker 5: one thing that he said that really are two things
Speaker 5: he said that really stuck out to me. I asked him,
Speaker 5: how excited is he to get back on the field
Speaker 5: and especially get into these preseason games, and he said
Speaker 5: he is looking forward. He's as looking forward to playing
Speaker 5: as he is y'all looking forward to him play, right,
Speaker 5: So he's excited, he's ready to go, and he's right,
Speaker 5: we are more than ready to see him back on
Speaker 5: the field, especially for a linebacker corp that needed to
Speaker 5: be rebuilt this season.
Speaker 6: We needed a last year desperately and to see him
Speaker 6: flying already this early.
Speaker 2: After that injury is great.
Speaker 8: And you know, I want to give.
Speaker 2: In the background, I think that's yeah, just turn it
Speaker 2: up back.
Speaker 9: Let me go on to that over shown and and
Speaker 9: he's a perfect example of what we're talking about. Early
Speaker 9: in camp, people were noticing this kid. I didn't notice
Speaker 9: him as much because I was inssolved in other positions,
Speaker 9: but people were telling me, hey, what did you see
Speaker 9: over And you know, people, what do you put on
Speaker 9: the past? Well, some kids can escalate from the walkthroughs,
Speaker 9: the OTAs and they just get better and better with recognition.
Speaker 9: And a lot of times that's what it's about. It's
Speaker 9: about recognition, knowing where to be. And so when they
Speaker 9: put on the pass and this kid was popping, I mean,
Speaker 9: he just escalated. And that is what we're talking about.
Speaker 9: Can he overcome that knee? Because you talked about the
Speaker 9: mental part in the story, go and read it, great,
Speaker 9: great article. Uh, And he feels like he has no
Speaker 9: problem with it. And if and if any kid can
Speaker 9: make that jump where it doesn't bother him, I'm betting
Speaker 9: on over shown.
Speaker 5: Here's Overshown's quote to what the big name is saying. Quote,
Speaker 5: you're gonna hear my pads popping. I'm gonna throw my
Speaker 5: pads around, even if I got to hit myself, I'm
Speaker 5: hitting somebody. Quote. Yeah, he's ready over.
Speaker 2: Shown comma overcome.
Speaker 7: Eight people, name by eight people. It ain't none of
Speaker 7: them yet, oversho.
Speaker 2: Look at the comments on camping out. People are dying
Speaker 2: for Turkey Turkey.
Speaker 5: Speed speed watch the show watch camping Out, Watch camping Out.
Speaker 5: It's camping out. It was fantastic.
Speaker 2: You'll see it.
Speaker 6: Anyways, practice picks, so I want you guys to all right,
Speaker 6: practice picks means interceptions. Okay, the secondary is showing out
Speaker 6: at campus when you have names like Doron Blande, of course,
Speaker 6: but you also have Kaalen Carson rookie. You also have
Speaker 6: Josh Butler going out there snagging interceptions. How are we
Speaker 6: feeling about the secondary so far? And is it safe
Speaker 6: to feel optimistic of the secondary at this point? At
Speaker 6: this point, I'm not saying for preseason game, I'm not
Speaker 6: saying for the start of the season, but at this
Speaker 6: point is it safe to feel optimistic about the secondary?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to talking Cowboys, we really appreciate.
Speaker 5: Okay, all jokes aside, even though I was not joking
Speaker 5: at all. It is safe to feel optimistic for a
Speaker 5: couple of reasons. One, look at how this secondary has
Speaker 5: been able to take the ball away in recent seasons. Okay,
Speaker 5: and then you come in. You come off of a
Speaker 5: season where you lost Trayvon Diggs. Yeah, you did have
Speaker 5: Stefan Gilmore there as you know, the stabilizer. But look
Speaker 5: at what Deron Bland was able to do move from Nickel,
Speaker 5: which he had a breakout season at as a rookie
Speaker 5: following the Joy and Lewis injury. You pop him outside
Speaker 5: and what does he do? He ratches it up the
Speaker 5: intensity and he becomes historic with the number of pick sixes.
Speaker 5: You're bringing that energy into this camp and the fact
Speaker 5: that Trayvon Diggs could return any day now. But even
Speaker 5: before Treyvon Diggs takes the field, we're talking about interceptions
Speaker 5: having already happened. We're talking about Kayln Carson hashtag seat
Speaker 5: belt strapping up guys. Okay, We're talking about Josh Butler
Speaker 5: making athletic interceptions. Jordan Lewis had an interception on Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott and guess who else who else with the pick
Speaker 5: six in this camp, it's de Ron Bland. Absolutely, you
Speaker 5: should feel good about where this secondary is headed pre
Speaker 5: Trayvon Diggs and most certainly post Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 9: What you gotta understand is, and this is this is
Speaker 9: old school to me because normally this is how all
Speaker 9: of our training camps. When I played, where the defense
Speaker 9: is so much ahead of the offense in the secondary,
Speaker 9: it showed enough looks that way. Now, not so much
Speaker 9: with the defense offensive line because it's been a good
Speaker 9: little missmash there, but secondary wise.
Speaker 8: And I talked to said, what's happening.
Speaker 9: He said, I'm trying to TD boys to eat them
Speaker 9: up every chance to get on the field. And uh,
Speaker 9: besides Dak, Now, Dak is through a few, but the
Speaker 9: other quarterbacks who haven't had any time, and with these
Speaker 9: receivers it is showing up tremendously. And it also goes
Speaker 9: to how Zimmer is scheming some of these guys. What
Speaker 9: we're seeing already is a lot of misdirection. Yes, so
Speaker 9: you're seeing a lot of misdirection.
Speaker 5: You're seeing safeties drop down to the line, and you're
Speaker 5: wondering is he coming or is he bailing out? And
Speaker 5: on any given play, you don't know which one is
Speaker 5: going to be. I saw just yesterday and the end
Speaker 5: of the mock game Marquise Bell he dropped down and
Speaker 5: it basically was a single front and then you didn't
Speaker 5: know who was going to drop out until the ball
Speaker 5: was snapping and all of a sudden, Marquise drops back
Speaker 5: in the single high. On the very next play, it's Donald.
Speaker 5: He drops down and Donald.
Speaker 2: Goes, I can do this. Yeah, right, I could drop back.
Speaker 8: This is how this feels, having eight pounds coming at me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that type of misdirection that you're already seeing
Speaker 5: with the Mike Zimmer defense. And I don't think we're
Speaker 5: going to see anything but more and more or of
Speaker 5: that as training camp goes on, because I mean, he's
Speaker 5: one of the ogs of confusing and just using smoking
Speaker 5: mirrors to confuse quarterbacks and offensive coordinations.
Speaker 6: Now, not to get into well, he's a free agent,
Speaker 6: so Stephan Gilmore not on this team currently, not on.
Speaker 2: Any team currently.
Speaker 6: Would you feel better going into the season with a
Speaker 6: signing similar to Stefan Gilmore or do you think we
Speaker 6: played out with the players that we have on this roster.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm never going to tell you to not sign
Speaker 5: Stefan Gilmore. I was on the record in free agency
Speaker 5: saying bring him back. I love what I'm seeing in
Speaker 5: training camp. Yes, and I'm still saying, I'm all I'm
Speaker 5: on board with bringing him back because you certly doesn't
Speaker 5: hurt right. You can't have enough playmakers. You simply can't
Speaker 5: have enough playmakers. And Stefan Gilmore approved last season that
Speaker 5: he's still a playmaker. Are you calling the Uniga Stepan?
Speaker 5: Just hold off a couple of more weeks to see
Speaker 5: if this is what I was going to say. I'm
Speaker 5: absolutely with bringing Stefan Gilmore back. I am also, it
Speaker 5: equally could be said that I would like to see
Speaker 5: a preseason game or two with Kayln Carson and Josh.
Speaker 2: B and they need the reps and you.
Speaker 5: But truth he told you weren't going to see Stefan
Speaker 5: gil More in the preseason game anyway. So if you
Speaker 5: signed Stephan right now, it's I don't think it's not
Speaker 5: going to interfere with the preseason reps for these young guys.
Speaker 5: I think that if you can get Stefan Gilmore back
Speaker 5: in the building, you do it because you saw last
Speaker 5: year what he was able to do after the injury
Speaker 5: to Trevon Diggs, and that's why you brought him in
Speaker 5: injury insurance, but also to make some plays and he
Speaker 5: gave that to you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: All right, boys, we need to take our next break,
Speaker 6: our final break. Actually, when we come back, Tyler Guidon
Speaker 6: is looking great.
Speaker 5: Let's talk.
Speaker 2: And he had a few good reps.
Speaker 6: Yesterday against one of the best defensive players against one
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Speaker 6: So, Tyler Guidon had a few really great reps yesterday,
Speaker 6: more than a few. He's taking first team reps. Also
Speaker 6: Spicy Spicy and Patrick.
Speaker 2: Who did he beat yesterday?
Speaker 5: What's what's that guy's name?
Speaker 2: Mike, Michael Parson, Michael Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5: Let's take it back a couple of days Friday Mott
Speaker 5: Game slash walkthrough. We see Tyler Gouyton getting first team reps,
Speaker 5: which is eye opening in and of itself, but it's
Speaker 5: also against rookie second round pick Marshawn Kneeland. Fast forward
Speaker 5: to yesterday team drills, first team reps again. Check who's
Speaker 5: he lined up against the Lion himself. All eyes are
Speaker 5: on that matchup, all eyes and then it happened, and
Speaker 5: then it happened again. Michael Parsons could not get past
Speaker 5: Tyler Goyton and he was bringing out the moves. There's
Speaker 5: one particular rep where he tried to speed rush on
Speaker 5: the first step. Guyton got lateral, shut that down. Michael
Speaker 5: Reset try to spind move. So that's two moves on
Speaker 5: one rep and neither of them got past Tyler Goton.
Speaker 5: Keep an eye on that rookie first round pick. He's
Speaker 5: been putting in the work this summer and he's making
Speaker 5: some strides quickly.
Speaker 9: So you know when they put on them pass to
Speaker 9: morrow Yeah all eyes, yeah yeah, because when it happened
Speaker 9: the first time, you know, Parsley just kind of looked
Speaker 9: at the second time, let me give him a second
Speaker 9: move just and he's still so now he looking at
Speaker 9: him like h yeah yeah, man o, man on now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was exciting to see.
Speaker 6: I'm excited to see more from practice, even though we
Speaker 6: don't have practice today. What have been some of the
Speaker 6: best just play individual plays that you guys have seen
Speaker 6: on the practice field so far in our first weekend.
Speaker 5: Here again, go ahead, big mate, what you get?
Speaker 8: You know who it is? Billy White shoes.
Speaker 5: John's Billy White Shoes, BILLI Johnson is his.
Speaker 9: Name, Number thirteen opposite of our boy overshown this kid,
Speaker 9: I mean for what they have done, this kid is
Speaker 9: he ratcheted up the competition. He letting everybody know that
Speaker 9: for every rep you give me, it's one kid wanted
Speaker 9: to come out because he thought he had hurt himself
Speaker 9: and he saw number thirteen from the run and he
Speaker 9: waved him off like nah nah, because this kid is competing.
Speaker 9: And that's what you need is guys that are confident
Speaker 9: in who they are and what they're doing. This kid's
Speaker 9: competing man, and he's making everybody else bring up their
Speaker 9: level of competition. Just stay touched from what they can
Speaker 9: do with no pads on.
Speaker 5: So many opportunities already, just through four days of practice
Speaker 5: to point out potential favorite plays. But I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: with Theron Bland and that interception. It's not just that
Speaker 5: it was an interception. It's how he got that interception.
Speaker 5: He dropped me back. He baited Dak Prescott. He gave
Speaker 5: that the wide receiver just enough space where it felt
Speaker 5: it made Dak Prescott feel comfortable that the window was
Speaker 5: open for a quick dropping out on a two step.
Speaker 5: But as soon as that ball was in the air,
Speaker 5: he launched himself to classe, laid out completely, took the ball,
Speaker 5: held it through the process, popped back up, and then
Speaker 5: pick six. So for me, it's not just that it
Speaker 5: was the interception. It's the way that he baited the
Speaker 5: quarterback into thinking the window was there, but it wasn't
Speaker 5: really there.
Speaker 2: From out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: RKO from out of nowhere is basically what Deron Bland is.
Speaker 5: He's a human RKO vintage, And if you thought it
Speaker 5: was a fluke, you thought wrong.
Speaker 9: And you know, I know we're talking about plays, but
Speaker 9: it's like Billy, it's been like every play has been Yeah,
Speaker 9: he's been doing something. Yeah, especially that bomb on it
Speaker 9: on the rood.
Speaker 5: But but so so has Jayalen Tobert. Jalen Brooks continues
Speaker 5: to impress. Jalen Cropper had a couple of strong days.
Speaker 5: So I mean goes back to what we're saying. You know,
Speaker 5: this wide receiver competition is off and it's to the races,
Speaker 5: and you gotta love that these young guys are taking
Speaker 5: advantage of these opportunities because him is on the way
Speaker 5: back sooner than later, and when him returns, then those
Speaker 5: reps are going to kind of the windows. So get
Speaker 5: it while you can because seedy Lamb won't be going
Speaker 5: for long.
Speaker 6: You got to step it up all you can. And
Speaker 6: that's why you have Kan turping out there too. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's he's absolutely.
Speaker 5: Why are you enabling? Don't enable?
Speaker 7: You want to be using every carbo turp to get used,
Speaker 7: you said, but talk to.
Speaker 5: Him, you out out to Cavante. Cavante has been going
Speaker 5: hard and ratcheting up things this offseason. His chemistry with
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott is is quite evident. So when you're talking
Speaker 5: about it, and I said this on several episodes, when
Speaker 5: you're talking about the Battle for wr Iree, Yes, talk
Speaker 5: about Jaylen Tobert, Yes, talk about Jalen Brooks. Yes, talk
Speaker 5: about Jalen Cropt and how Tyran Billy Johnson is Billy
Speaker 5: White Shoes if you will. It's starting to make those climbs.
Speaker 5: But always keep Cavante turpeting that conversation because he is
Speaker 5: doing some special stuff as well.
Speaker 6: Yes he is, and he's had enough time now he's
Speaker 6: a best event on this team. Though basically now, Nate,
Speaker 6: you had a great question before we started that you
Speaker 6: wanted to add sort of to our rundown.
Speaker 2: What was your question sort of about? It's about practice
Speaker 2: in general.
Speaker 9: You know, there's no pads on. Everybody's much aware of that,
Speaker 9: of course, and especially with the older guys my age,
Speaker 9: a libbing younger, it ain't no pads on. And I've
Speaker 9: always told people, you know, it's kind of a forty
Speaker 9: nine ers thing, you know, and I've been over that
Speaker 9: several times. But what I've liked it about all of
Speaker 9: these kids, especially you know, guys that are not rookies,
Speaker 9: how they were moving with quickness, with purpose, with the
Speaker 9: desire to compete within the framework of what is handed
Speaker 9: to them. You don't see a bunch of guys running
Speaker 9: running wrong routes. You don't see a bunch of guys
Speaker 9: bumping into each other on the games for his pass rush.
Speaker 8: You don't see offensive line of blowing assignments or jumping
Speaker 8: off sides.
Speaker 9: I mean that may come as as they put on
Speaker 9: the past, but for what the coaches actually these guys
Speaker 9: should do individually and teamwork. These guys seem to know
Speaker 9: what to do, know where to be, and go there
Speaker 9: with a purpose.
Speaker 8: And I like that. I like this early in the camp.
Speaker 5: Well and when these pads come on and we talked
Speaker 5: about this at the top of the show, Darrell Johnson
Speaker 5: Junior for Hoko the List, Go Choce Ghost at the Edge,
Speaker 5: these guys are really going to have to make things
Speaker 5: pop in the absence of Sam Williams.
Speaker 6: Well, Okay, this is another thing that that kind of
Speaker 6: has fans heated about the Sam Williams injury is that
Speaker 6: you know, it's like, what are they doing out there
Speaker 6: that this tends to happen?
Speaker 2: You know that this happens once a year. It feels
Speaker 2: like we're we get a catastrophic.
Speaker 6: Injury here at camp. And let me be clear that
Speaker 6: was a special team's drill.
Speaker 5: That was not there were no pads, pads there, Nobody
Speaker 5: hit him in the little contact no contact. It's it's
Speaker 5: one of those things where now I spoke about this
Speaker 5: yesterday with several fans and you know, Cowboys Nation. It's
Speaker 5: not specific to the Cowboys. I know we exist in
Speaker 5: you know this cow We have a bubble. We are
Speaker 5: in this bubble, but there are thirty two bubbles, and
Speaker 5: I can assure you that in all thirty two bubbles
Speaker 5: they're dealing with the same thing. Torn acls have been
Speaker 5: a league wide issue and pandemic as far as injuries
Speaker 5: are concerned for several years now, which is what's birth
Speaker 5: the grass versus turf conversation. But obviously Sam Williams, he
Speaker 5: tore it on grass, non contact Treyvon Diggs last year
Speaker 5: at the facility back home. But it was on the
Speaker 5: grass field, right. So my thought process is this in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four and beyond, we're of the age where
Speaker 5: athletes are stronger, faster, quicker than they've ever been in
Speaker 5: the history of human civilization. That being said, tendons, meniscus
Speaker 5: and ligaments are not necessarily able to keep up with
Speaker 5: what the muscles are doing when the muscles are operating
Speaker 5: at that level. So you know, get you get torn
Speaker 5: achilles and pop achilles. You get torn acls, MCLs, pcls
Speaker 5: and things like that, and it's just unfortunate. But how
Speaker 5: do you get a handle on that, that's the question.
Speaker 5: But I don't think there's an immediate answer to it.
Speaker 8: You don't get a handle on it.
Speaker 9: It's called football, it's called sports. It's called getting acclimated.
Speaker 9: And sometimes you take a bad step and I think
Speaker 9: somebody lost their starting kicker just jogging out on the
Speaker 9: field and tore up a hamstring.
Speaker 8: You lost for the year. This is football.
Speaker 9: One thing I would ask all players to do around
Speaker 9: the league is trained more within in the house. Let
Speaker 9: your uh A training staff and your people's train at
Speaker 9: your facilities. Don't go off, stay home. But injuries are
Speaker 9: gonna happen. It's called football. It is a physical sport,
Speaker 9: and it's not normal. It's not like me and you
Speaker 9: and Pat and Josh were just walking around. I mean,
Speaker 9: but we can get torn a c L walking up
Speaker 9: some steps. Kickball League yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dallas Cowboys Kickball League, we have someone who tore
Speaker 5: their a c L playing kickball.
Speaker 8: Like Chris Bean is a referee.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hey, I feel like you're hitting the referee
Speaker 5: everybody loves. But it just it comes with playing sports
Speaker 5: and unfortunately that's just that's just a part of it. So,
Speaker 5: you know, what can you do? Not play sports? I
Speaker 5: guess because outside of that, injury is going to happen.
Speaker 5: They're going to be unfortunate. And Sam say, it was
Speaker 5: a freak injury. He went to plant his leg, non contact,
Speaker 5: his knee blew out. What can you do? And for
Speaker 5: those that are saying, well, you know what more can
Speaker 5: the Cowboys do this and this? I've come out here
Speaker 5: sometimes and I see the Cowboys defense and offense going
Speaker 5: through yoga. Yes, right, So the Cowboys are investing resources
Speaker 5: and trying to prevent those soft tissue injury strength conditioning.
Speaker 5: So shout out to the trainings that Britt Brown, Jemiza
Speaker 5: and the crew. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: the individual's body is either going to hold up to
Speaker 5: it or it's not. And when it's not, you never
Speaker 5: know when that might be. So for Sam Williams, Unfortunately
Speaker 5: that came on Friday with the torn ACL and mcl
Speaker 5: wish them the best long journey to get back. But
Speaker 5: the good news is, well should said, the silver lining,
Speaker 5: not the good news. The silver lining is John Stevens Junior, Yes,
Speaker 5: Treyvon Diggs, demarv Jonnovershown, David Durtin. We live in a
Speaker 5: a league nowadays where a torn ACL does not have
Speaker 5: to be career threatening and you can be back on
Speaker 5: the field in twelve to thirteen months from now. So
Speaker 5: you talk about timing of it happening. Not only does
Speaker 5: the timing make it less of a tragedy for the
Speaker 5: Cowboys because they now have time to figure out, but
Speaker 5: for Sam Williams, he might be on the field next
Speaker 5: year's training camp.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we've come a long way in that sense.
Speaker 2: Uh boys, we have to wrap it up. It's nine
Speaker 2: forty five. We've got to head out.
Speaker 6: Thank you Patrick, Thank you Nate, Thank you for Christopher
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Speaker 5: Uh who needs two ankles?
Speaker 2: Simone bows absolutely killing it? Go Team USA, uh.
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