1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello friends. I hope you're having a creepy Saturday afternoon 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: or morning or night. I would recommend saving this stuff 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: he should Know select episode until tonight, when you can 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: break out your Wegia board and learn about Weiga as 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: you play Wegia and realize that we Jia is just 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: bunk and completely made up. From October two, how Wegia 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: boards work? Right here, right now, Welcome to Stuff you 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, Jerry's kind of here. Uh, and this is 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know. Yeah, this is the last podcast, Uh, 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: these two today that we're recording in the infamous murder room. 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's right, yeah, murder room. Yeah, we're moving offices, 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: and what better thing to do than to have a seance, 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: which we're going to conduct after this episode records. Didn't 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you didn't don't know me about this first? Yeah, we're 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: having a seance, buddy, I don't know about that. We're 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: gonna get down, We're gonna get down the brass tacks 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: and answer all the unknown questions. Well, you know, I'll 20 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: tell you what. I will have a seance with you 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: using a Weiji board, because now I know how they work, 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: and I'm not quite as scared of them as I 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: used to be saying after I saw The Exorcist. Yeah, 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: Sai or we I say Wegi. Yeah, I kind of 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: do too, although I think it's probably Wegia right, not 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: to be confused with the crimes photographer Weig. We're talking 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: about the board. Although yeah, I think some people say 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: we Ja. Yeah. I just think it's interesting. I said 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: Wegi since I was a kid. Yeah, I mean too, 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: But I also say reci cup instead of reesis because 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Umi does too. You mean sister do Yeah, And I'm like, no, 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: it's Reese's. They're like, no, it's Rec's. Yeah. Well I 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: don't even say Rec's. I'd just say a reci cup. 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: I think they. I think I do too. People in 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: their quirks, Yeah, foibles, I say foibles. Uh. Yeah. You 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: should hear him sing that potato Potato song everybody, Yeah, 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: which apparently I got snookered on that. By the way. 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: That's an old, an old bit. So I was snookered 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: by an urban legend. What the whole potato Potato song 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: where I say, like, yeah, a friend of mine's friend 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: auditioned with this piece and sang it wrong. You thought 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: it was for real? Yeah, of course I did. I've 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: never heard that before. It's very funny. Yeah. Had you 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: heard that, um now, because you would have stopped me. 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: I know I have heard it before, but it wasn't 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: too long ago. Was it from my mouth? Maybe? But 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I didn't think like that it was. It actually happened. 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: I think anyway, we gi su every day, we gi board. Yes, um, 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: and I mentioned exorcists already. You saw that, right, of 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: course A bunch of times enough. Here is a trivia 51 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: question for you. What is the name of the spirit 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Reagan communicates with? I didn't even have to look this up? 53 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: Uh through her wigi board. Geez, I don't remember Captain Howdy? 54 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Shut up? No, do you remember? Now? Captain Howdy was 55 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: who she's talking with? Who is the devil? I guess 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: that was one of his aliases. I wonder if he 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: has like a devil passport that says Captain Howdy on 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Devil Satan Lucifer Captain. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's true. 59 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: That makes it a little less frightening. So um what 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: was that the early seventies that Exorcist came out, right, 61 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: I think so okay um and the Wigi board, the 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: one she was playing with, I believe was a Parker 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Brothers BIGI board was it now has bro um And 64 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: that was this mass manufactured, mass marketed toy game. But 65 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: it was actually based on like a real phenomenon that 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: we've talked about here on this show, before the um 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: spiritualism movement of the nineteenth century. The Luigi board first 68 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: made its appearance around then. Supposedly they claim providence for 69 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: this way further back than that, but there's no real 70 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: evidence that the Ouiji board itself is any older than 71 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: the mid nineteenth century, and that it's American in origin. Yeah, 72 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: the actual Wijia brand board is what you're talking about, 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: right right, or talking boards in general, which is another 74 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: name for like a Wigi board as a talking board. 75 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: But not all talking boards are Wigi boards, that's right. 76 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: So you're saying there's no evidence that they existed before, 77 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: like in the eight hundreds before that, before that, no, 78 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: there there people did use divination. There is a pretty 79 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: good source. A fourth century BC Greek scholar who wrote 80 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: a history um, who talks about a pair of men 81 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: who were killed for dividor for using divination. But they 82 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: used a pendulum and a disc with the alphabet round 83 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: it to spell out a message. So there were divinations 84 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: people did use um like style. Yeah, I don't know 85 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: if they use the plan chet. But the Luiji board itself, 86 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: despite being marketed for many years, is something from Egyptian antiquity, 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: is probably something no or that was created no earlier 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: in the mid nineteenth century in the States. Well one 89 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: is uh. An attorney name Alijaban patented what was called 90 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: the Wigia Egyptian luck board. Um. And it's important to 91 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: point out when when these things are marketed, they when 92 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: you read the fine print, they never claim to be 93 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: able to, you know, talk with the spirits. It's like 94 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: just sort of it's a game, right, it's a game now, 95 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: And it was once it became mass marketed, they started 96 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: the Yeah. But in eight one it was part of 97 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: this larger offshoot of spiritualism. Yeah, and we talked a 98 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: bit about egypt pology and it sort of all ties 99 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: in seances were big. You remember, they cracked the hieroglyphic 100 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: code from the Rosetta stone just a couple of decades before, 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 1: so Egypt was like this weird place with all sorts 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: of strange cults and rituals. Yeah, and it's just it's 103 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: strange to me that something like the occult, even on 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: a minor level, sort of took hold in the United 105 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: States at one point. Uh. And I don't know how 106 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: if it was accepted by the masses, but like you know, 107 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: regular people and noteworthy people would hold seances and try 108 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: to communicate with their dead relatives, usually through a medium 109 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: who was usually female. Right, you know there weren't a 110 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: lot of dudes doing it. Uh. No, there are a 111 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: lot of dudes who were involved in it, but the 112 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: mediums were typically female, and a lot of them used 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: things that were like the Luigi board talking boards. Yeah, 114 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: like they you mentioned the dial plate, which was a 115 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: spinning wheel with letters and numbers, and the alphabet board, 116 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: which was sort of like a wigia board, but um, 117 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: you just pointed to different letters and waited for a 118 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: response from the great beyond. Some had a little pencil 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: that would like actually write things out right, that used 120 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 1: the plan chet, which is French for a little plank, 121 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: which is a little uh, a little board or something 122 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: maybe like a circular disc on three legs, and then 123 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: one of the legs for a writing plan chet. Um 124 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: was basically a hole with a pencil going through it, 125 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: so that when the plan chet moved using the medium's hands, 126 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: but the spirit was really in control, the pencil would 127 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: write something hopefully. Uh So, back to the Wiji Board, 128 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the official game version. Over about seventy years, it changed 129 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: ownership a few times, eventually landing at Parker Brothers, which 130 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: is now has Bro. Like you pointed out right, Ali 131 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Jaban the guy who um, he didn't come up with 132 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: the first Weigi board, but he was the first one 133 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: to make an improvement on an existing patent and um, 134 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: the Wiji board, as we understand it, that was his 135 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: how we see it now, and he actually went off 136 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: after he sold the rights to it to a guy 137 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: named um Charles Knard. Uh Elijah Bond went off and 138 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: created a rival version that had a huge swastika on 139 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: It didn't perform so well. Uh no, it did at first, 140 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: because we're talking seven did you have that association was 141 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: still like a mystical symbol, but it was made by 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: the Swastika Novelty Company in West Virginia that he founded 143 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: to produce this rival board, and it's considered his other 144 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: Luigi board. That's pretty funny, isn't that weird? Yeah? My friend, 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: my friend Jesse Char the other day tweeted something funny 146 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: about design. I think it was something likeent of design 147 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: is trying to make something not look like a swastika 148 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: or a penis. I thought that was pretty good. Did 149 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: she make that up or have you heard that? I 150 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: have not heard of that, alright, so I'm giving credit 151 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: to Jesse Char, so um, chuck. The point is the 152 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: Wuiji board took this, this thing that was being used 153 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: by mediums as part of a very serious spiritualism movement, 154 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: and said, hey, you don't need um, this crazy old 155 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: lady to contact your dead uncle. Now you can buy 156 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: one and do it in your own home over cocktails exactly. Um. 157 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: And a lot of people took it like that from 158 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: the get go. I think some people probably purchased Wiji 159 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: boards seriously, but I think from from the outset it 160 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: was a part of a party. It was a conversation starter, 161 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: something that that you just did socially too for fun, 162 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: for sure. I think that there was always a large 163 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: segment of the Ouiji board buying population that just took 164 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: it as as entertainment. Yeah, exactly, which it's probably how 165 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: you should take it. Uh. From Kennard, he had an 166 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: employee named William Fold nephew L D who Uh, who 167 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: basically took it over to the point where he even 168 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: stamped his name inventor on the back of it, even 169 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: though he wasn't. And he's credited as being sort of 170 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: the father of the Luigia board because he's the one 171 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: that really ran with it in a marketing sense and 172 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: brought it to the masses and uh would do all 173 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: the press for it. Um. He claimed that the French 174 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and German words for yes, we and yah is where 175 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: the name comes from, even though that's not true. Well, 176 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: even before that, Charles Kennard said that, Um, he came 177 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: up with the name by asking the board itself what 178 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: it was called. And it's spelled out oh U I 179 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: j A, And he asked it what it meant, and 180 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: the board told him it was Egyptian for good luck. 181 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: So that was the story. And then yeah, I guess 182 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: Fold was like it means yes and yes, yes and 183 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: yes pretty much in French and German. It's pretty good, 184 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: So like we said, um fold sold it to Parker Brothers, 185 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: who turned into Hasbro. And now when you buy a 186 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Wigi brand wid you board, it's from Hasbro. Yeah. And 187 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: the article here makes a point to U two call 188 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: out the Catholics for um basically saying that it could 189 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: be an evil thing and not to use it. But 190 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: as a little Baptist boy, we were very much told 191 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: not to use a Wigi board. I remember specifically, um 192 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: my uncle like burning his Wija board. Yeah, did he 193 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: go out and buy it just so he could burn it? Friday? 194 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: We got a party going in my house. Yeah, it's 195 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: pretty funny to look back. When I was a kid, 196 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, get rid of that evil thing. 197 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: Were you there when he burned it? No? I wasn't there, 198 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: but I heard about it, and that was just good 199 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: for him. That's cool. Throw throwing candy Land while you're 200 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: at it, because that game stinks. What was the Shoots 201 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: and Ladders? I never played that? I was into? Sorry, 202 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: remember that one? Yeah? That one made you like hate 203 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: the other people you played with though, right, didn't couldn't 204 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: you like get ahead by screwing over your fellow players? 205 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: That's I think that's why it was called sorry. Yeah. 206 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: I think like if you landed on someone, you sent 207 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: him back in the beginning and yeah, yeah, maybe I 208 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: just played with Jerk soon knows. Maybe so um so chuck. 209 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: The Uigi board UM. From the original Bond creation to 210 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: the one you get today from Parker Brothers, the design 211 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: of it has changed very little. Yeah, I guess we 212 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: should describe it. I mean, I assume most people have 213 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: seen one, although you know I've never used one, have you? Oh? Yeah, 214 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: when I was younger, i'd totally be into trying it out. 215 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: It's neat for fun, you know, it's very neat, because 216 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is just moving around the board 217 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: by itself. All right, So we will describe the board 218 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: if you have not seen it. Um. It has the 219 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: alphabet and two different arcs, has numbers below the alphabets. 220 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: It has a yes in one corner with I think 221 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: a moon, and a no in one corner with the sun. 222 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: And therein lie the answers. My friend. Oh, don't forget 223 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: the most important part, basically what amounts to the off button. 224 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: It's goodbye written at the bottom the number. So yeah, 225 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: it's sort of like a satanic magic eight ball kind of, 226 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: except this really works and it's not satanic, right. Um. 227 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: So the the way that you use um this talking 228 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: board um, which again, if you're interested in this and 229 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: you want to see some pretty cool old Buiji boards 230 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: and the Swastika board as well, UM and another one 231 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: called the Sphinx board, which I think is the coolest one. 232 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: It's from like the forties. Um. There's this awesome online 233 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: museum called the Museum of Talking Boards, and they have 234 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: histories of all this, the history of the Buiji board, 235 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: history of talking boards, UM, just some really great articles 236 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: and images on there. So go check that out because 237 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool website. UM. But when you're when 238 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: you're using this, um, well the instructions have stayed the 239 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: same too, not only the design but the gameplay itself. 240 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: It's just about the same as it was way back 241 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century. Right. And when you use this, 242 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: they say you want to have two or more people, yeah, um, 243 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: with their fingers lightly resting, just your fingertips lightly resting 244 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: on the plant chet and we should say the plant chet, um, 245 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: like the other plant chet that used a pencil to write. 246 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: It's just a little um plastic heart shape board. I 247 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: guess with three small legs, and then a circular um 248 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: plastic covered disc in the middle, clear plastic disc that 249 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: you look through, and the disc shows you the letter 250 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: number or word that the spirit is communicating. That's right. 251 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: When you look down through the plane chet, that's the 252 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: letter word in question. That's right. So you sit there, 253 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: you ask a question aloud. Everyone concentrates. No, no joking 254 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: around going on. No, even Fold himself said, you want 255 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that the people whore at the table 256 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: are taking this seriously or else second to work right? Well, 257 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: even though it was advertised for mirthmaking, you gotta cut 258 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: the mirth down when you're actually operating the board. Take 259 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: the guy who has the lampshade on his head, he's 260 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: got to get out of that room. Uh. So, then 261 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: you ask a question, and then everyone watches, and the 262 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: plan Chet, as if by magic or Satan's dark powers, 263 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: moves along in either answers yes or no questions, or 264 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: spells things out. Um, you want somebody to jot down yeah, sure, 265 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: the letters or numbers as they are read out, And 266 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: and in the article it says ideally they spell out 267 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: words or sin it says they can the players can understand. Um, 268 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: like it would. If it's spelled out a nonsense word 269 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: like wegia, you would probably just say it's it's malfunctioning, 270 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: or you would say what does that mean, and then 271 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: it would spell out it's Egyptian for good luck, or 272 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: German and French free. Yes, I wonder if wegia boards 273 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: always answer the same when you ask them what wegia means. 274 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, we should I started saying it differently 275 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, down Sidewigi. I've just said wegia 276 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: a couple of times. Interesting, how do you pronounce the 277 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: thing that you clean your windshield with that is squiga 278 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: or a squeegee? Yeah, but that's s q u e 279 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: g e e eat. There's three No, I'm just kidding. Evidently, 280 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: it can take up to five minutes for the plan 281 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: chet to start moving, which I don't know if I 282 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: would have the patience for that, I know I might 283 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: start moving it on my own. Oh yeah, you know, 284 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: well then you would be the life of the party, 285 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: especially if you said, like, I'm being contacted by the spirits. Right, 286 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: if after five minutes you don't get any movement from 287 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: the plane chet, you want to either ask the question 288 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: again or ask another question. Um. And there's some there's 289 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: some tips for using your Wiji board to mat maximum capacity. Um. 290 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: One of them is concentration. Again they do with the 291 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: Lambshade needs to go sit in the living room, watch 292 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: TV or something while everybody else is doing this. Um, 293 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: you want to turn down the lights, maybe, burn some candles, 294 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: burn some in incense, turn off that smartphone and the TV. Maybe. Yeah, 295 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: and uh, you really want to concentrate. And when you 296 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: ask questions, you want to ask them slowly, clearly, simple questions. Um. 297 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: And you want to ask them one at a time 298 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: and wait for the answer the response before you ask 299 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: the next question. Yeah. And they also recommend that you 300 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 1: avoid um scary questions because that could lead you down 301 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: a dark path, my friend, and always above all else 302 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: in the game by saying goodbye, because if you leave 303 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: that portal open to the great beyond, the bad people 304 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: might come in through that portal and find you and 305 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: kill you. Ask Reagan from the Exorcists, right, things can 306 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: go pretty badly. So you want to end each session 307 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: with the plan chet over goodbye and then breathe a 308 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: sigh of relief exactly. Um. And apparently if this doesn't 309 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: work the first time you do it, you shouldn't be frustrated. 310 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: In fact, the Museum of Talking Boards has a regiment 311 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: that they prescribe um thirty minutes of practice every day 312 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: for two weeks, and apparently you'll open your chakras or 313 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: something and all of a sudden you will be speaking 314 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: through the Wiji board, or the spirits will be speaking 315 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: through you go through the Weigi board. Is that before 316 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: after the opium regimen that they advise. I think the 317 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: Museum of Talking Boards is um. They're more historical. They're 318 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: more interested in the history background of the whole thing. 319 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this for a minute. People sit down. 320 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: They put their fingertips on this thing. The plan chet moves, 321 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean moves like we're not making this up. Like 322 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: if you've never messed with a Wigi board before, like 323 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: give it a shot with another friend, and like the 324 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: chances are the things going to just start moving by itself. 325 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: It's eerie, especially when you're younger. Now see, I've never 326 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: done it. I explained this to me. What do you mean? 327 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: I will show you so, um, I get it. But 328 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: the thing, this, this plan chett is very light plastic. 329 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: The feet might even have felt on him or something 330 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: like that. It's designed to move very easily forward. No, 331 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: I think original Planchet's headcast um. But you're just basically 332 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: you're you're being pulled around the table, so you actually 333 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: want to be in a comfortable position because your fingertips 334 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: are just sitting on this thing. And then when you 335 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: ask a question after a while, it'll move. I've never 336 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: seen one move fast, but it just moves kind of slow. 337 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: But I mean, there's no question about you're not thinking. 338 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: Isn't moving Like it's moving over to a letter and 339 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: then it's moving over to another letter and then it's 340 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: selling something out. But you are moving it. No, you're 341 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: not in your head. Here here's the thing, like, let's 342 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: get to the science of this. You are in fact 343 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: moving it and there, but you are not conscious of 344 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: moving it, which is the awesome part of it. It's 345 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: this thing called idio motion. Yeah, which is someone pronounce 346 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: ideo and I didn't know if they were just being 347 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: fancy or not. It can go either way ideo idio motion, 348 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: but the the it is an actual involuntary motion. It's 349 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: one of the types of involuntary motion of which human 350 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: beings are capable thanks to our muscles and neurons. Yeah. 351 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: It was coined by due named William Carpenter in two 352 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: to explain dawsing rods, which is the same kind of 353 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: you know thing basically, Yeah, dawsing rods pendulums um idiomotion 354 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: is where thought proceeds precedes movement, and the other part 355 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: of it is that we're unaware of that movement. Yeah, 356 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: it's movement without owning that basically. So when you apply 357 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: that to we Ji boards, you have what's called the 358 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: ideo motor effect, where you your thought is placed in 359 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: the form of a question to Theuiji board, and then 360 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: the movement, the unconscious movement. You're not aware that you're moving, 361 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: UM moves to answer that question. So if you're thinking yes, like, 362 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: am I speaking with uh, you know, great uncle Charlie. Yes, 363 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: and you really want to and you're you're thinking, yeah, man, 364 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: I hope he's there. So you're unconscious or subconscious? Which 365 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: is it? I would guess unconscious. I think it's unfashionable 366 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: to use subconsciousness. UM. It would move it to the yes, 367 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't realize. You would think it was just 368 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: moving and and that that's where the weji board fund 369 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: comes from chuck like you don't realize you're moving it, 370 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: like you you have no sensation of movement. And like 371 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: you said, this is this idea. Motion is a um, 372 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: it's it's we've understood it for a while since early 373 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: eight hundreds. And even Fold himself in one of his 374 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: patents said, and I think explained that it was moved 375 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: by unconscious muscular movement of the prayers. And back in 376 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, this guy named Anton Chevrel Chevroule chavrell 377 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: he Um basically proved this using a pendulum on a string. Yeah, 378 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: and it's um. You've probably long heard about the the 379 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: old wives tale. If you want to find out what 380 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: your baby's gender, you hold um like a ring on 381 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: a string over the ballet and wait for it to move. 382 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: And if it moves back and forth, it's a boy. 383 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: That's circular, it's a girl. Um. And it's the same. 384 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: Basic thing is is the chevrol pendulum. Basically, it's just 385 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: ideo motion. In effect, you are unconsciously swinging the string. Yeah, 386 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: and whichever way you probably desire exactly. That's what makes 387 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: it so fascinating, is what you're really seeing is the 388 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: unconscious telegraphing supposed to of the mother's wishes of what 389 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: gender she would like, because she's in fact controlling it, 390 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: but she's her muscles are moving so minutely that she's 391 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: not aware of the movement. But since the pendulum is 392 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: on the string, it really kind of really telegrash these 393 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: very very tiny movements and then inertia takes over and 394 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: it really starts going. So it just seems amazing because 395 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: the hands not moving, but the ring is going crazy. 396 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: It's going crazy. Uh, this is the same. If you 397 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: ever heard of facilitated communication, it's pretty controversial. Um, you've 398 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: probably seen it on the news. It's when basically a 399 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: caregiver will guide the fingers of someone who's severely disabled 400 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: over a typewriter, typewriter, a typing machine, over a keyboard 401 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: to a computer. Uh, to supposedly get answers or communicate. Um. 402 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: And it's very controversial. It's art it out in nineteen 403 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: seventy seven in Australia, this lady named Rosemary Crossley. Um. 404 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: But the American Psychology Association basically says it's not scientifically valid. 405 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: These are people that are just what facilitating communication. Yeah, 406 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: that they're the caregiver is really guiding this conversation and 407 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: it's really not coming from the person that's disabled. Right. 408 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: The thing is is what makes this so tragic and 409 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: sad is that the caregiver isn't aware that they're actually 410 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: making these movements. Again, all of this is unconscious. You 411 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: can't tell you're making this movement. And so since the 412 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: profoundly handicapped person is moving their hand, the caregiver thinks 413 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: that it's them. It's the it's the handicapped person. It's 414 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: not like they're trying to snow somebody exactly. They and 415 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: they may even really really want this person to communicate 416 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: and say these things. Yeah, they're still studying at Syracuse 417 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: University actually has UM since nineteen ninety two is the 418 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: FC Institute now it's the Institute on Communication and Inclusion 419 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: and are still studying it. And you know the controversy 420 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: as usuals between the skeptics and the believers. Yeah, well 421 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. If you want to see who 422 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: who believes in the idea motor effect to type that 423 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: into Google, it's all like skeptics Dictionary, skeptics, skeptic, Like 424 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: every entry is skeptic. But if you type in IDEO 425 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: emotion you get um, you know, peer reviewed scientific literature 426 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: on that. It's just the IDEO motor effect is basically 427 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: taking the proven idea emotion and applying it to debunk 428 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: things like Wuiji boards. Uh. They did a study in 429 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: the University of British Columbia just last year and UM, 430 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: basically they said it's strongest when they are multiple people 431 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: on the plan chet And they tested this by blindfolding 432 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: people saying you've got someone else on the board with you, 433 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: and when in fact there was no one else on 434 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: the board, the person would still say it was the 435 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: other person moving it, right. They would say there was 436 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: no other person, right, And then they say, well, then 437 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: it was the spirits moving it. I guess that's funny 438 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: that no one says it's the spirits moving into That's 439 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: always the other person who's moving in. That's a pretty um, 440 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: pretty common trade of any wigiboard game. That you're sitting 441 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: there going like you're moving it. No, you're moving it. No, 442 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm really not moving it's that And then uh, with 443 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: two people working in tandem, you have two sets of 444 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: muscles moving unconsciously, but you know, making a movement. Um, 445 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: you have one person relinquishing responsibility because they think it's 446 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: the other person, which they think freeze the muscles to 447 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: move even more strongly because you're saying, it's not me, 448 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: it's the other person. Um. And if they both have 449 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: a common goal, then the planchet will move even more 450 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: um brisk glee. I guess like if both girls are like, 451 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna move to be R A D, then you 452 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: know that plan chet's gonna move to those letters in 453 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: that order. But they're both going to be like, I'm 454 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: not moving. Uh well, hold on, before we get into 455 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: any real life stories, you want to do a message break? Yes, okay, 456 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: and we're back. So should we talk about a couple 457 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: of these stories? Um uigia are they real? Are they 458 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: not stories? Sure? The Herds of Kansas City, Yeah, this 459 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: is pretty crazy. Herbert Heard killed his wife Nellie, shot 460 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: her in the back four times. Um, and you would 461 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: think what a jerk. But what happened was there they 462 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: were elderly, they were in their seventies. Um. They played 463 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: with the Wigia board one night and um Nellie claimed 464 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: that she received a message saying her husband was stepping 465 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: out on her, so gave like fred dollars to the 466 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: other lady emon that's probably like their life savings. Um, 467 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: And so what happened was Nellie tortured him, tied him 468 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: to a bed post, whipped him with a knotted rope, 469 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: burned him with a red hot poker, stabbed a knife 470 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: into his shins, and forced a confession by holding a 471 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: gun to his head. And eventually she left the gun 472 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: on the bedside table there. Herbert got ahold of it 473 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: and killed her. And UM, can't really blame Herbert. And 474 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: apparently the courts did not h what else you got 475 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: any other ones? Uh? Yeah, there's a m It was 476 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: called an Italian enclave in El Cerrito, California. The Italian 477 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: community there apparently experienced a wave of mass hysteria that 478 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: landed several people in uh an asylum because of Wiji 479 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: board use. When the town went Wijia crazy. Yeah, one 480 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: policeman like tore off his clothes and ran into a bank. 481 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: And um, there's a lot of craziness that happened. It 482 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: was just massissia, I guess, and the town was like, 483 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: you know what, no more Weiji boards. And finally, in 484 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: British authors sax Rohmer supposedly came up with his villain 485 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: Dr Fu Manchu when his Wigia board spelled out Chinaman. 486 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: So um his Wigia board was racist? Yeah, and uh 487 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: you know he says, that's where it came from. So 488 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you ever want to test whether 489 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: Wiji boards are the result of idea motion and the 490 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: players actually moving it or not, go to the good 491 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: Will and buy one for three dollars and then and 492 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: then do this very very simple test. You blindfold the players. 493 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: You turn the board ninety degrees so that anybody who's 494 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: memorized the layout of a Weiji board can't cheat it right, 495 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: and then ask them some questions and you're not going 496 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: to get any kind of sensible answer. And if you do, 497 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: then you need to trade carefully because you just unlike 498 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: the gate to the spirit world, don't forget to tell 499 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: it goodbye, to steal off that gate. I always remember 500 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: put it on goodbye, folks. So do you hear anything else? 501 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: I got nothing else. I feel like here in my forties, 502 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: after knowing now that they're not evil tools of Satan, 503 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: then I would like to try it out sometime on 504 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: a on a Friday night with good friends. Yeah, we'll 505 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: play a little cards against Humanity. We'll play some weigia 506 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: and then risk and risk to wind it all out 507 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: with a big bang. Um, invite me over. Okay, so uh, 508 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about weigia, weigi that 509 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: kind of thing, you can again go check out the 510 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: Museum of Talking Boards. It's pretty sweet. And also you 511 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: should read this article on how stuff works dot com. 512 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: Type O U I j A into the handy search 513 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: bar and we'll bring up this article. And since I said, UM, 514 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: search bar in there somewhere, I think it's time for 515 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: listener mail, I'm gonna call this crack baby. Jeez. We 516 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: we got some good response on the old crack episode, 517 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: which is a good one. I thought, yeah, I thought 518 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: so too, killing it lately. Hey, guys, just finished listening 519 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: to the story on crack cocaine. It reminded me of 520 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: a story of a crack baby. For many years ago, 521 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: it's around two thousand one. I was doing volunteer work 522 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: at the local children's hospital in the neonatal I see 523 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: you holding babies. Um. I came in one day and 524 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: one of the nurses told me to go hold this 525 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: one particular baby. She told me it was a crack baby. 526 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: That had been crying NonStop for three days and head 527 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: and left, so I washed up. I went to go 528 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: hold this baby, held the baby in my arms and 529 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: just looked at the baby, and the baby was crying, 530 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: eyes closed, NonStop, just crying, crying, crying, crying. After several minutes, 531 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: the baby's eyes opened a little bit and then closed again, 532 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: would keep crying, tears are flowing the whole time. After 533 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: several minutes of that, her eyes would remain open longer 534 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: and longer, but the baby was still crying and the 535 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: tears were still flowing. After several more minutes, the baby's 536 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: eyes stayed open, looking at me, crying a little bit less. 537 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: The baby started crying less and less and less, then 538 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: after several minutes was smiling, giggling and cooing and making 539 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: all those nice happy baby noises. After several more minutes 540 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: of that, the baby's eyes started to close, and soon 541 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: she was asleep, sleeping for the first time in three days. 542 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: It was a wonderful experience that I will remember forever. 543 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: Jim from Austin, Texas. That's pretty pretty cool. He code 544 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: the crack baby to sleep soothed. He's a sooth sayer. 545 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: He's a soothe coore mere to go. Jim. Yeah uh, 546 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: and now he brings it Christmas presents every year. That 547 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: would be a great story. Do it, Jim. Uh. If 548 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: you have something to tell us that you've done based 549 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: on something we've talked about, I would say that's that 550 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Jim story falls under that umbrella, wouldn't you. Yeah, we 551 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: want to hear about it. Basically, just let us have 552 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: it on Twitter at s y s K. Podcast on 553 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,239 Speaker 1: Facebook dot com slash Stuff you Should Know, or you 554 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: can send us an email to stuff podcast at how 555 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: stuff Works dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a 556 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radios. How Stuff Works. 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