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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it is a Wednesday, but not any typical Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We are loaded Penn State trying to steal Notre Dames

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Speaker 1: football coach. The Bears are upset because they're not being

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Speaker 1: fonned over by a national announcer. And the Dodgers remain

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Speaker 1: the best run organization in North America. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what league, I don't care if it's college. There is

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Speaker 1: no organization from research and development, drafting, scouting. The Dodgers

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Speaker 1: are unbelievable. It's an impeccable organization that's gotten to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs for twelve out of thirteen years. J Mack, you

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Speaker 1: looked at Milwaukee all year and they swept the Dodgers, Right,

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Speaker 1: they beat him six times, and so I thought, Oh,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers' bullpen all liability. Yeah, this is a mismatchy

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Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk about it. Yoshi last night, Yamamado, unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Brewers are in trouble when they throw

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Speaker 1: their ace Freddie Peralta, who was virtually unbeatable at home,

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Speaker 1: untouchable at home. They also get a leadoff home run

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Speaker 1: in the first inning, bought um in the first and

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Speaker 1: they get blown out. And this thing should have been worse.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers were two for eleven with runners in scoring position.

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Speaker 1: They stranded ten batters. How many times do they load

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Speaker 1: the bases? It's all about pitching, Yoshi, Yamamado, Blake Snell

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Speaker 1: in Game one, and by the way, Otawi and Glass

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Speaker 1: now are coming up. We worried about the Dodgers' bullpen

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Speaker 1: against the Phillies. It would be their undoing. Okay, the Brewers,

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Speaker 1: it'll be their undoing. We knew Cincinnati was overmatched. It's

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Speaker 1: not Otani's not even playing well. Otani's swinging at terrible pitches.

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Speaker 1: So Milwaukee feels out classed and the Dodgers have so

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Speaker 1: many bats. I know you all want to say it's

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Speaker 1: about money. Steve Cohen, isn't he like the richest the

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Speaker 1: Mets owner of the richest guy in baseball. The Yankees

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Speaker 1: have plenty of money, they don't spend it wisely. The

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Speaker 1: Dodgers do a great job. I mean, their menu is

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Speaker 1: so deep, doesn't matter if the milk make milkshake machine

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Speaker 1: in back is broken. They got somebody else stepping up.

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Speaker 1: So o Tani can't hit in the series. My heres

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Speaker 1: tey Oscar Hernandez or Max Munsey, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers were very wobbly this year. They blew all those games,

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Speaker 1: bleue twenty six save opportunities. But it's like the Chiefs dynasty,

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Speaker 1: It's like the Brady Belichick dynasty, It's like the Warriors dynasty.

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Speaker 1: It is hard to stay self motivated. Baseball is so long.

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Speaker 1: It is hard from day one to spring training to

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Speaker 1: now to stay motivated. And you know you're the best

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Speaker 1: team and the deepest team, and so the Dodgers treat

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Speaker 1: the regular season like a lot of US treated college.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's you do the bare minimum for most

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Speaker 1: of the school year, and then on the finals it's

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Speaker 1: an all nighter. And the Dodgers now are buttoned up

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Speaker 1: outside of Otani, who is just in an all times

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Speaker 1: slump right now. Two for his last twenty five started

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Speaker 1: the Philly Series, and Otani is swinging at bad pitches

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Speaker 1: like he is out of sorts. Otani has lost. He'll

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Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. But the bullpen liability, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Blake Snell was so dominant in Game one,

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Speaker 1: the starting pitching is just covering up all the warps.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the construction of our roster currently,

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Speaker 3: you know the strength is starting pitching. And you know,

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Speaker 3: when you can have your most talented pitchers get the

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Speaker 1: It is interesting, though, is that Dave Roberts regular on

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Speaker 1: But once I had the win in Milwaukee and I

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Speaker 1: had a bigger, a four run lead, you could have

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Speaker 1: So I understood if he pulled Yoshi last night, he

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Speaker 1: But you know, Dave Roberts has said, these are fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty decisions. You can go either way. But the

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Speaker 1: Tawni is completely lost. The starting pitching is that good.

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Speaker 1: So you know, when I got into this business as

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Speaker 1: that were, like, honest, I'm not even an eight, nine

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Speaker 1: okay for the local sports and nown sir to say

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Speaker 1: in my business that are critical of teams even if

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Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams just beat Washington. So here's what Ben

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Speaker 4: It sounded like from that game the other night, a

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Speaker 4: few people weren't particularly pleased with how we're winning right now.

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Speaker 4: So that's the I woke up this morning, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I heard some of the commentary.

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Speaker 4: This league, anyway you can find a way to win

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Speaker 5: Of course it is.

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Speaker 1: But the Bears are three and two, and they're a

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Speaker 5: Right now. He remains dead.

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Speaker 1: Last in the NFL an expected completion percentage, what is that?

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Speaker 1: That's when the game's over people look at tape. Translation,

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Speaker 1: Their leady leaving a lot of completions on the floor.

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Speaker 1: So coming out of college, the concerns on Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: that video that came out in camp when Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: you all told me to downplay it. Media is going

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Speaker 1: This was the concern out of college he's still missing

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Speaker 1: too many throws. This is not subjective, it's objective. It's

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Speaker 1: happening in front of you. All the data tells you this.

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Speaker 1: So if an announcer is willing to say unpopular things,

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Speaker 1: interesting to me that a team that's three and two,

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Speaker 1: drive on Monday, Caleb had one completion. It was DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Swift's game. We talked about this on Tuesday morning. It

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Speaker 1: was about DeAndre Swift and the offensive line creating massive holes.

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Speaker 1: So if you watch Jalen, Jayden Daniels, and Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: play on Monday, Jayden was the more accurate quarterback. He's

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Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams. Yes, I agree, you're three and two celebrated.

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Speaker 1: I said it on Tuesday after the win. I'm like

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Speaker 1: it's the Bears. They won on the road, they won

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Speaker 1: a close game. You can see the coaching. There's a

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Speaker 1: touchdown difference Caleb last year Caleb this year. Eighteen to

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Speaker 1: Caleb deserves credit for that. When you're as gifted as him,

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Speaker 1: it's very easy to take off. Lamar Jackson had to

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Speaker 1: But the accuracy thing, they're leaving some completions out there.

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Speaker 6: Standard has been set, the bar has been set high.

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Speaker 6: He has said that he wants to be not just

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Speaker 6: but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for

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Speaker 6: We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.

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Speaker 6: Is he going to be a finished product here year two?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not a finished product.

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Speaker 1: And that's why a national broadcaster should say, nice win,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of work here. Like I know,

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Speaker 1: when I feel an announcer is being overly negative, I've

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Speaker 1: heard that before. But my taking all these national broadcasters,

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Speaker 1: they'd rather be optimistic and they'd rather be positive. I

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Speaker 1: think it's refreshing when any of them can go that's

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Speaker 1: not good enough. Yet they won, but they're leaving a

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't need you to blow smoke. I'm not looking

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Speaker 1: for rainbows and pots of gold. Just give me honesty, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm a grown up. I remember again, when I

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Speaker 1: I liked Howard Cosell. I like the local sportscasters that

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Speaker 1: I'm good with it. I don't need rainbows. J Mac

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Speaker 1: James Franklin, Penn State coach out. Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame coach.

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Speaker 5: Is being is being wooed, ohnelyon.

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Speaker 7: No shot whatsoever as a downgrade from Notre.

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Speaker 9: Want to know this week, you know we're probably aky

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Speaker 1: there's tremendous value on winning close games and also something

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Speaker 1: That's something that wins in January. That wins in cold weather.

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Speaker 1: New England, Pittsburgh didn't make it for me.

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Speaker 7: Instantly, look at the gambling odds you can see on

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Speaker 7: Pittsburgh and Seattle have these same Super Bowl odds Colin, which.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Cowboys Commanders this weekend's spicy. That's got

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Speaker 10: get a call, and I think Marcus Freeman would get

432
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Speaker 10: a call. Now would Freeman leave Notre Dame? I'm not sure.

433
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Speaker 10: He just went to the national championship, you know. I'm

434
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Speaker 10: sure he feels like he can build something special. Is

435
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Speaker 10: Penn State a better job than Notre Dame? I don't

436
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Speaker 10: think it is personally, But that's a call that I

437
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Speaker 10: would make if I was Pat Kraft, because again, this

438
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Speaker 10: is a good job. I don't know if it is

439
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Speaker 10: a great job in college football, but in this cycle,

440
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Speaker 10: it's probably going to be the best job available calling.

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Speaker 10: Even if Florida were to come open, if they make

442
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Speaker 10: a move off of Billy Napier, even if Florida State,

443
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Speaker 10: you know, went south and Mike Norvelle was let go

444
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Speaker 10: of Florida State, whatever happens at Wisconsin, you know, even

445
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Speaker 10: if Brian Kelly were to somehow take a nosedive with

446
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Speaker 10: LSU beginning like let's say that this week. I'm not

447
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Speaker 10: sure that any of those jobs maybe LSUS, But but

448
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 10: Penn State is set up perfectly. You brought up the

449
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Speaker 10: investment into the stadium, seven hundred million dollars into the stadium.

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Speaker 5: They're willing to.

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Speaker 10: Pay the money to James Franklin to buy him out.

452
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Speaker 10: They've got support, and they've got an athletic director that's

453
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Speaker 10: willing to win. I think Kurz Signetti should probably get

454
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Speaker 10: a call. I would be swinging for the fences if

455
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Speaker 10: I was Patcraft, because here's the thing is that this

456
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Speaker 10: reminds me a lot. Maybe not quite to the tier

457
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Speaker 10: of Georgia, but Mark Rick at Georgia seemed to have

458
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Speaker 10: a ceiling on that program, and they felt like they

459
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Speaker 10: could go higher. They bring in Kirby Smart and they

460
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Speaker 10: did go higher. Maybe that's the moment that we're in

461
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Speaker 10: for Penn State right now, where the next guy is

462
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Speaker 10: going to lift the ceiling of this program and they

463
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Speaker 10: can actually go out there and win some of these

464
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Speaker 10: top twenty five, top ten games that James Franklin has

465
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Speaker 10: fallen short in.

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Speaker 1: So a USC, speaking of No. Dame goes to South Bend.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great spot for them. I

468
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Speaker 1: think the quarterback play at Notre Dame is so efficient

469
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Speaker 1: they'll pick on USC's corners the weakness of their roster.

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Speaker 1: I thought they bullied Michigan. I do not think they'll

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Speaker 1: be able to do this to Notre Dame. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a very imply I said. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was bigger than people realized, beating Michigan and beating them

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Speaker 1: the way they did. That game was not as close

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Speaker 1: as the score, and I'm not sure Michigan's got the

476
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Speaker 1: right coach. We'll talk about that in five minutes. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think USC necessarily matches up.

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Speaker 5: Well here, let's hit you.

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Speaker 10: It's not as good of a matchup as they had

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Speaker 10: against Michigan. But I think, let me go back to

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Speaker 10: your point about the substance or the substantial moment for

482
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Speaker 10: usc last week. In beating Michigan the way that they did,

483
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Speaker 10: I started to think to myself, Yeah, they've had some

484
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Speaker 10: big wins since Pete Carroll left, but I can't remember

485
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Speaker 10: one that was maybe as important because of the way

486
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Speaker 10: that it was played. This signals to everybody like, hey,

487
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Speaker 10: maybe we can play at the top end of the

488
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Speaker 10: Big Ten. They took the team in this conference that

489
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Speaker 10: not only won the national championship a year ago in Michigan,

490
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Speaker 10: but also lays their entire identity in being a physical

491
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Speaker 10: team and winning the line of scrimmage in USC one

492
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Speaker 10: Bowl lines of scrimmage. That's why you saw Lincoln Riley

493
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Speaker 10: so emotional and joyful after the game is because he

494
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Speaker 10: knew what that win meant and the fashion in which

495
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Speaker 10: it happened.

496
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Speaker 5: So that's an important win.

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Speaker 10: Now, the matchup against Notre Dame probably isn't quite as good,

498
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Speaker 10: and the reason is, and you touched on it briefly,

499
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Speaker 10: is the balance that Notre Dame has on offense. Yeah,

500
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Speaker 10: because Michigan really can't well I shouldn't say can't. They

501
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Speaker 10: don't throw the ball well and just a drop back scenario,

502
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Speaker 10: so they have to run the football and then get

503
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Speaker 10: their quarterback out on the outside in order to start

504
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Speaker 10: to throw the ball and be efficient doing so. But

505
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Speaker 10: that's not the case with Notre Dame. So Notre Dame

506
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Speaker 10: can run it with Jeremiah Love, he's one of the

507
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Speaker 10: best backs in the country. And then CJ. Carr has

508
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Speaker 10: been outstanding. He's been one of the most efficient quarterbacks

509
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Speaker 10: in the country. And so they have that balance that

510
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Speaker 10: would scare you a little bit. And yes, there is

511
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Speaker 10: an Operation Trinity to throw the ball against USC. Illinois

512
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Speaker 10: proved that a couple of weeks ago when Illinois ended

513
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Speaker 10: up beating the Trojans, and so this matchup maybe isn't

514
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Speaker 10: quite as good, But I sure feel a lot different

515
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Speaker 10: about this game as a Trojan fan if I was

516
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Speaker 10: a Trojan fan today than I did last week at

517
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Speaker 10: this point because of the way that they were able

518
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Speaker 10: to beat Michigan. Now you can at least lean on

519
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Speaker 10: the fact that, hey, maybe we can run the football

520
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Speaker 10: and it's not just going to be a Miava show

521
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Speaker 10: on the road and what could be rainy conditions, by

522
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Speaker 10: the way, fifty with some rain, it's like it's almost

523
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Speaker 10: like it's almost like the Catholic school has a direct

524
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Speaker 10: line to God right, it's like, hey, what do you

525
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Speaker 10: want to do with USC. It's like, give us some

526
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Speaker 10: rain and some cool weather. So it could be an

527
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Speaker 10: interesting one. But I certainly feel like Notre Dame is

528
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Speaker 10: set up in this game and balanced enough on offense

529
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Speaker 10: to take advantage.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: Your top ten as Ohio State, Indiana, Miami, Texas and

532
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Speaker 1: m Bama Texas, Tech, Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ole Miss

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Speaker 1: I don't have any quabbles with it. Let's talk Oregon.

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Speaker 1: What happened against Indiana?

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Speaker 5: That I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this about Indiana is last year they were

537
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Speaker 1: a great story. They weren't a great team. I had

538
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Speaker 1: my reservations. I did say I thought it would be close,

539
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Speaker 1: but they really dominated the game. Do you buy in

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Oregon what happened? And do you buy Indiana

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Speaker 1: as a national title contender?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: So the first part of that is is I think

544
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Speaker 10: that Oregon has got to look themselves in the mirror

545
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Speaker 10: a little bit because physically they got beat up at

546
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Speaker 10: the line of scrimmage and they couldn't protect their quarterback.

547
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Speaker 10: That was a huge issue in particular in the second half,

548
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Speaker 10: and they didn't really do anything defensively to disrupt the

549
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Speaker 10: timing of Fernando Mendoza. You know, so Indiana was able

550
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Speaker 10: to stay balanced and run the football if they needed to,

551
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Speaker 10: and then Mendoza was really good and not pressured much

552
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Speaker 10: in the pocket. So the lineus scrimmage. For Oregon, they've

553
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Speaker 10: got to take a big look in the mirror and

554
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Speaker 10: actually evaluate what are we right now and what are

555
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Speaker 10: we going to be moving forward. I do think that

556
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Speaker 10: they're talented enough and that's a good enough coaching staff

557
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Speaker 10: where they can learn from this, grow from this, and

558
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Speaker 10: become better. Remember, Ohio State lost at Oregon last year.

559
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Speaker 10: They lost against Michigan and became something great afterwards. That's

560
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Speaker 10: certainly still on the table for Oregon. Now the second

561
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Speaker 10: part of your question, I think this when maybe even

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Speaker 10: more so than USC over Michigan in the way that

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Speaker 10: that happened in the coliseum. This was a real seismic

564
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Speaker 10: type of performance because it transitioned Indiana from a good

565
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Speaker 10: team that we didn't know if they could handle the

566
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Speaker 10: big boys to okay, wow, this is a national championship

567
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 10: caliber team. I really believe that they were great on

568
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Speaker 10: the offensive line, they were terrific on the defensive line,

569
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Speaker 10: their quarterback is as good as any out there, and

570
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Speaker 10: their wide receivers make a ton of plays. I talked

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Speaker 10: with Kurt Signetti on my show earlier this week. He

572
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Speaker 10: is a process oriented guy. He's one of the best

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Speaker 10: coaches in America, and they really attack the weaknesses of

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Speaker 10: their opponent as well as anybody. Their coordinators have been terrific.

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Speaker 10: This is again a seismic moment in college football and

576
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Speaker 10: in the Big Ten Conference because Indiana just proved to

577
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Speaker 10: everybody around the country that they're not just a cute

578
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Speaker 10: story and they're not just a legit team. That's a

579
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Speaker 10: team that could beat anybody in America and potentially win

580
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Speaker 10: a national championship.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's last year.

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Speaker 1: I thought Ohio State, it took Chip Kelly a while,

583
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Speaker 1: and in new coordinators too.

584
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Speaker 5: He was a pro coordinator.

585
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Speaker 1: It comes in to his buddy Ryan Day, and it

586
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Speaker 1: took him a while, and then Matt Patricia and Chip leaves.

587
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia comes in and you know, the arch manning struggling.

588
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: He struggled a lot. Maybe it wasn't Matt Patricia, but

589
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Speaker 1: I'm watching that Ohio State defense and I'm just telling you,

590
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Speaker 1: turn the volume down.

591
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Speaker 5: On your TV.

592
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Speaker 1: Don't listen to the announcers, don't listen to confirmation bias.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, you guys are good and everything. But my

594
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Speaker 5: point is.

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Speaker 1: They look shots fired in the middle of the question.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, they look faster than college offenses can handle.

597
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Speaker 1: Ohio States defense looks too equipped for the average college offense.

598
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Speaker 1: That's what it looks like to me.

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Speaker 10: I am going to try to disregard that clear personal

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Speaker 10: shot that was taken and try to address the question

601
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Speaker 10: as it was asked from the substance.

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Speaker 5: Colin, I will tell you this that this defense.

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Speaker 10: Yes they're fast, yes they're physical, but it's the fact

604
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Speaker 10: that they can run so much from a schematic perspective and.

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Speaker 5: Do it well.

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Speaker 10: Their players are really smart, and I think the thing

607
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Speaker 10: that makes them so difficult is a lot of their

608
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Speaker 10: players are what I would call hybrid players, so they're versatile.

609
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Speaker 10: Caleb Down's probably the most versatile defensive back in all

610
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Speaker 10: of college football.

611
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Speaker 5: They can line them up anywhere.

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Speaker 10: It makes it incredibly difficult to get an indicator of

613
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Speaker 10: what they're in. Rvel Reese has been maybe the story

614
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Speaker 10: in college football on the defensive side for how quickly

615
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 10: he's rising up draft boards. He could be one of,

616
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Speaker 10: if not the best defender in college football. Their linebacker.

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Speaker 10: Oh by the way, they also have Sonny Styles, who's

618
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Speaker 10: a five star six five, two hundred, two hundred and

619
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Speaker 10: forty pounds linebacker that can run. All you have to

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Speaker 10: do is look at some of these opposing offenses, what

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Speaker 10: they've done against other opponents, and then what they don't

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Speaker 10: do against Ohio State. I think this weekend I'm studying

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Speaker 10: demand Williams getting ready for the Michigan Washington game, which

624
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Speaker 10: I think is going to be a fantastic game. By

625
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Speaker 10: the way, Demand Williams in the Washington offense is one

626
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Speaker 10: of the best offenses in all of college football. Demon

627
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Speaker 10: Williams is like Kyler Murray light. He had just short

628
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Speaker 10: of I think a million yards against Rutgers last Friday night,

629
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Speaker 10: and then you look at what he did against Ohio

630
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Speaker 10: State and it was basically nothing.

631
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Speaker 5: And it's because of the.

632
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Speaker 10: Scheme, and it's because of the length, the versatile nature

633
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Speaker 10: of their players, and the speed with which they play.

634
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Speaker 10: Matt Patricia has done an incredible job. Every play, it's

635
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 10: a different defensive front and a different coverage, and that

636
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 10: combination changes throughout the game, and it makes it hard

637
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Speaker 10: on the play caller and the quarterback to decipher what

638
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 10: that defense is in. And by the way, they've got

639
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 10: some of the better players in the country. That defense

640
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 10: has has allowed me to sit there watch Ohio State

641
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 10: and be pretty comfortable in saying that they have separated

642
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 10: themselves at the top tier of college football. That is, yeah,

643
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 10: pretty clearly the best team in college football. And think

644
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 10: about this, colin. They haven't even really gone into third gear.

645
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Speaker 10: They've just been allowed to play patient, conservative offense, and

646
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 10: no game is close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Washington game was a real eye opener because

648
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Speaker 1: Washington's offense. Sometimes it took us a while to get

649
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Speaker 1: going against Maryland. But Washington can score at all levels

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Speaker 1: tight end, running back, quarterback, receiver. They got pro they

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Speaker 1: got Sunday guys. So I want to talk about Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I've said this for years. It can become you know,

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Speaker 1: it sounds a little elitist when I say, don't hire

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Speaker 1: the coordinator, don't hire the popular guy on staff, do

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Speaker 1: a global search and get the best coach. So Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: leaves and they bring in the popular guy in the staff,

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Speaker 1: capable guy, nice guy. But I'm like, it's Michigan. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure I want Michigan to be your first job.

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh head coached in college, he coached in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and it took Harball a long time at Michigan to

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Speaker 1: get going. And so my take was, I know that's

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Speaker 1: the popular choice. I love Marsha and I love Underwood,

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Speaker 1: but I doesn't I mean, I'm watching Michigan to get

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Speaker 1: pushed around and I don't remember Harball teams getting pushed

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Speaker 1: around like that. Did Michigan Did they got the right guy?

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Speaker 10: Well, here's the pushback I would give you is that

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Speaker 10: when your team is having top end success, a succession

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Speaker 10: plan has actually been the blueprint that has worked best.

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Speaker 5: Think of Ohio.

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Speaker 10: State, from Urban Meyer to Ryan Day, from Oklahoma Bob

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Speaker 10: Stoops to Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 5: You know it's you can have the global search.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I understand that sentiment. But the problem is is that

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Speaker 10: that locker room felt like they didn't need a change,

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Speaker 10: and you don't want to disrupt the culture of something

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Speaker 10: that is working. It's different when you've got to fire

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Speaker 10: James Franklin and then there is a clear mantra of

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Speaker 10: like we're going to build something different or go to

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Speaker 10: a different location when a coach is underperforming, but when

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Speaker 10: you're performing at the highest level, the succession plan is

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Speaker 10: actually what has worked in college football. And the fear

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Speaker 10: even though you don't want to operate out of fear,

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Speaker 10: but the fear would have been if you were a

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Speaker 10: ward manual the athletic director that if you would have

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Speaker 10: brought someone in from the outside, even if it was

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Speaker 10: a home run, right, you know, and you win the

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Speaker 10: press conference, do you retain the roster? And that's a question.

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Speaker 10: Do you retain the culture? That's a question because we've

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Speaker 10: also seen seen teams that are really close that are

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Speaker 10: good cultures, that are good football teams, but want to

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Speaker 10: go to greatness and they make the wrong hire Bill

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Speaker 10: Callahan at Nebraska, possibly Luke Fickle at Wisconsin. And so

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Speaker 10: you change that culture of something that you've been for

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Speaker 10: a long time and your players believe in, and it

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Speaker 10: can go south. And I think that was the predicament

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Speaker 10: that Michigan was in when Jim Harbaugh left. Sharon Moore

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Speaker 10: is at a really important time in his tenure at Michigan.

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Speaker 10: That loss was ground shaking in a lot of ways

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Speaker 10: in that building because of the way that it happened.

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Speaker 10: As big as it was for USC is probably even

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Speaker 10: worse for Michigan because of the way that it happened.

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Speaker 10: They have to get back to first principles. What made

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Speaker 10: you great in twenty twenty one that started the run

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Speaker 10: toward a national championship, Physicality, stopping the run, running the football. See,

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Speaker 10: if you do three things at Michigan really well, you

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Speaker 10: can probably win. Stop the run, run the ball, cover kicks.

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Speaker 10: That's what Jim Harbaugh did. Now it started to grow

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Speaker 10: after JJ McCarthy became a veteran quarterback, and they get

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Speaker 10: some guys like Blake Koram and things like that in

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Speaker 10: their offense. But those foundational things, that's what Sharon has

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Speaker 10: to go back to. I would be pretty surprised if

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Speaker 10: they didn't run the football forty five fifty times this

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Speaker 10: week to get back to first principal's Michigan identity.

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt, College Football the Voice, aid Fox, good.

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Speaker 5: See anybody.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I didn't even take a shot at weekly

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Speaker 10: radio hosts and why you wouldn't want to listen to

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Speaker 10: those guys? Well, man, I feel like I took one

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Speaker 10: right between the eyes. You know, you stay in Chicago

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Speaker 10: or via remote, and it's just like, bamn.

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Speaker 5: Listen, this show is hard.

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Speaker 1: Kidding yourselves like it's like it's like going to Columbus

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Speaker 1: in October.

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Speaker 5: It's all you gotta be ready. You show up here,

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Speaker 5: you better be ready. Good seeing you,