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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria QK.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Maria and we are going to get

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Speaker 1: started with a very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Story of the week.

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Speaker 3: Our story of the week is about a seventy year

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Speaker 3: old woman that gave birth to twins.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe this?

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Speaker 1: No, That's why I chose this as story of the

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Speaker 1: week because it is completely outrageous. Apparently, this lady did

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Speaker 1: IVF with her partner sperm, and she used a donor egg.

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Speaker 1: And for those of you that don't know what IVF is,

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Speaker 1: it stands for in vitro fertilization. And what happens is

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Speaker 1: that doctors take an egg and a sperm and they

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Speaker 1: fertilize them or put them together, and they make what's

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Speaker 1: called an embryo, and then they put them inside of

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Speaker 1: a uterus that then grows the baby in a pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: And in this case, she used a donor egg, so

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Speaker 1: it wasn't her egg, but it was one that she

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Speaker 1: got from someone and doctors put it in her and

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Speaker 1: she ended up getting pregnant with twins.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes they.

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Speaker 1: Put a couple of them in with the hopes that

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Speaker 1: one of them sticks. But in a lot of cases

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Speaker 1: of IVF, you'll have multiple berths because sometimes more than

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Speaker 1: one of them sticks, sometimes a lot of them stick.

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Speaker 1: So she was pregnant with twins, and she gave birth

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Speaker 1: early in at thirty one week sug gestation. But they

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Speaker 1: were fine, they're healthy, they're alive. They were put in

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Speaker 1: incubators and a little premature. But she gave birth at

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Speaker 1: seventy years old. I will repeat seven zero to twins.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if you saw this too, but

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Speaker 3: she actually had given birth also in twenty twenty. So

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Speaker 3: this is kind of a wild story because she her

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Speaker 3: husband had died in nineteen ninety two and she was considered,

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Speaker 3: what I found really sad to be a cursed woman

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Speaker 3: because she had not had a child. And then she

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Speaker 3: met her current partner in nineteen ninety six, so their

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Speaker 3: first child was born in twenty twenty, and now she

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Speaker 3: has the twins this year. And another really sad tidbit

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Speaker 3: I found from this was she said that her partner

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Speaker 3: had not visited her in the hospital since she had

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Speaker 3: given birth, and she had stated that maybe he was

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Speaker 3: not happy with the twins because sometimes men in her

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Speaker 3: culture don't want to know how many babies because they

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Speaker 3: get really freaked out by the responsibility of having multiples.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was the worst part of the

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Speaker 3: whole story. Honestly, it's having this miraculous birth and then

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Speaker 3: your partner is just like, uh, I'm not comfortable with

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Speaker 3: this sociolator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of against this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's completely ridiculous that so you're bringing

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Speaker 1: children into the world that you're seventy years old. You're

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Speaker 1: bringing these children into the world now the dad might

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Speaker 1: not want anything to do with them, isn't showing up,

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be very supportive. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 1: thing just screams bad idea to me. I don't I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't want to say that,

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Speaker 1: because then they can't just put an age limit and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this person's too old to have a baby.

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Speaker 2: But come on, seventy years old.

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Speaker 1: It just seems it seems not cool, because like, what

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Speaker 1: if something happens with her now these babies are premature,

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Speaker 1: they might have lifelong issues because they were born premature,

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Speaker 1: and the dad is like, doesn't seem to be really

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Speaker 3: No, definitely, And I think there's some part of it

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Speaker 3: one of those just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessarily really fair to the kids

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Speaker 1: All right, So this week we had some interesting celebrity news.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to get started with the first story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So first we.

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Speaker 3: Have nine oh two one to zero actress Shannon Doherty.

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Speaker 3: A couple years ago, in twenty and fifteen, she had

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Speaker 3: so in twenty seventeen she went in remission, and then

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Speaker 3: are and how it is now spread further into her body.

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Speaker 1: All right, So originally she was diagnosed now she's fifty

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Speaker 1: but she had a mastectomy, which means the surgical removal

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Speaker 1: So to me, that indicates there's four stages of care

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Speaker 1: So the fact that they're adding those extra things on

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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. She had her treatments, and then two

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Speaker 1: breast cancer and it was in her brain. So what

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Speaker 1: To do surgery to take a piece of the tumor

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Speaker 1: out to determine if it's a new tumor that grew

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Speaker 1: So when they did that and she had this brain surgery,

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Speaker 2: And all that stuff?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't even say, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: So apparently she was married to this guy, and like

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Speaker 1: right before they were reeling her in for surgery, she

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Speaker 2: That, which is just it's just it is really terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just so terrible. So she had this brain

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Speaker 1: Now I have to say that when they remove a

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Speaker 1: They basically just took it out to just see what

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Speaker 1: it's important to say that there's no cure for stage

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Speaker 1: saying in twenty twenty three that it's in her bones.

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Speaker 1: So just to give you some statistics, when you have

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Speaker 1: twenty to thirty percent of people lived five years or more,

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Speaker 1: and then on average, a person that has metastatic breast

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think considering she has a really good outlook

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Speaker 3: so I'm like, Wow, you're extra positive considering your husband

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Speaker 2: Who would do that to such? And that's like going

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Speaker 3: Total jerk, So I think it's really awesome. She's gonna

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Speaker 3: has coming out today, actually, so I would really be

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Speaker 3: interested in listening to that because I think she has

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Speaker 3: really nice to listen to somebody going through a trauma

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Speaker 3: like this and if you have things going on in

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Speaker 2: So what can I do to kind of have that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's totally true. I mean, she's fifty two and

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Speaker 1: she's not stupid. She knows that is not good news,

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Speaker 2: And I love it absolutely. You weren't a nine O

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Speaker 1: That show came out in like sixth or seventh grade,

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Speaker 1: and it was just it. It just was a I

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Speaker 1: I could have sworn when she played Brenda and that

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Speaker 1: show that she had some scare that she had a

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Speaker 1: But I just think that's like a little weird given

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Speaker 1: That's a horrible example of life imitating art, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I And maybe I'm totally wrong.

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Speaker 1: I just I really feel like I feel like I

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what was happening.

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Speaker 3: But well, maybe we should go back and watch it

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Speaker 3: together now that I'm old enough to do, Yeah, this show,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll be like, I can't believe I was

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Speaker 3: watching that when I was twelve, because it's it's probably

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Speaker 3: definitely very sexual.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this Squid Game actor. Did you ever

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Speaker 2: watch that show?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what it is. So it was

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Speaker 2: this huge show.

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Speaker 3: That came out during COVID, and I never watched it,

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Speaker 3: but I understand the premise to be. It's that people

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Speaker 3: really violent game against each other and kill people and

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Speaker 3: sometimes they're killed, and whoever wins the game has all

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Speaker 3: their debt erased. Okay, so during COVID it was, you know,

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Speaker 3: not it was a super stressful thing to be watched.

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Speaker 1: I was more of a like Tiger King during COVID

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So so I let me cut you off as a

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Speaker 1: So let me tell you from my experience working in

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Speaker 3: that's more plausible to me a butter knife.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I've gotten a butter knife, pens, pencils, and

444
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: do you know what cases that I got them on

445
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: every single time? Rectel foreign body now I think I've

446
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: got them gotten number moved from the esophagus because they're

447
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: from people that have eating disorders and bulimia and they

448
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: use it because they've lost their gag reflex. And it's

449
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: a common foreign body that is found in people that

450
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Speaker 1: are bulimic that throw up.

451
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Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you were going with that. Maybe she

452
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Speaker 3: stuck it up the other end and it got stuck

453
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Speaker 3: and this was the story she was trying to put out.

454
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Speaker 1: No, that's that's I know you've never seen the inside

455
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: of a body like that. I know you've seen the

456
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Speaker 1: inside of a body, but not anything that I've ever

457
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Speaker 1: really described you. But that would be physically impossible. But

458
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Speaker 1: but yeah, she it. She did go down her throat

459
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: and she did swallow it. But I called bullshit on

460
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Speaker 1: this story personally, because I've seen this so many times

461
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: of getting these foreign bodies removed. So the same thing

462
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: happened with her that they went in did an endoscopy

463
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Speaker 1: and they were able to pull it out and they

464
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: didn't have to do surgery or anything to remove it.

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess anything's probable. Maybe this story is real, but.

466
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Speaker 3: Like it's a your conclusion is she possibly had an

467
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Speaker 3: eating disorder and had worn away her gag briefly, yes,

468
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Speaker 3: and then she was trying to I mean it out

469
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Speaker 3: and therefore it I went that if.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about what when the most common

471
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Speaker 1: time that you would see this in a hospital setting

472
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Speaker 1: where a foreign body had to be removed that was

473
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Speaker 1: eight inches long from the esophagus, that would be the situation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well I would have never figured that out on

475
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Speaker 3: my thank you for clearing it up. And I thought

476
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Speaker 3: you were going to go on the total opposite and

477
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Speaker 3: say she stuck it up her butt or something.

478
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Speaker 2: And then it's like, I.

479
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Speaker 1: Don't know, Oh, but I've never gotten an actual toothbrush

480
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Speaker 1: from someone's butt, But I have gotten a travel toothbrush holder.

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Speaker 3: You know, the toothbrushes happen. It has to be one

482
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Speaker 3: of the more common things.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never lost the holder and there was no

484
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Speaker 1: toothbrush in the holder.

485
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: Well where did it go? All right?

486
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Speaker 1: So, speaking of weird foreign bodies, okay, in Vietnam, this

487
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Speaker 1: is like not Eve one of my favorite stories this week, No,

488
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Speaker 1: another non believable one. Thirty five year old male in

489
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: Vietnam was having severe headaches for five months. So let

490
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Speaker 1: me put that timeline in perspective for you. In late November,

491
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Speaker 1: he goes in as a CT scan and they find

492
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Speaker 1: a pair of chopsticks in his skull. They're just like, dude, like,

493
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Speaker 1: we just did this scan and you have chopsticks in

494
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Speaker 1: your skull, So how how did they get there?

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

496
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Speaker 3: And then he's like, I don't. He's like, wait, I

497
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: don't really remember. And then he goes, wait, I did

498
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Speaker 3: get into a bar fight a couple months ago, and

499
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Speaker 3: but I don't really remember.

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Speaker 1: And I think I said that he was stabbed with

501
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Speaker 1: didn't say that he was like stabbed with an unusual item,

502
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Speaker 1: but he didn't know what it was, or something like, oh, yeah,

503
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Speaker 1: there was that time I got in a fight a

504
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Speaker 1: couple months ago and someone stabbed me in the head.

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Speaker 2: But I really I don't remember what it was.

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Speaker 3: So do you want to explain for everybody listening how

507
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Speaker 3: it if they can't visualize it, how exactly it got

508
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: up there? I have no idea his I don't know

509
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: up his nose me it's saying yeah, saying up his no.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the fact that he can't remember this

512
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: can be attributed to the brain trauma that he received

513
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Speaker 1: from having chopsticks in his skull. I I just because

514
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: even if someone stabbed, like, let's just pretend you're trying

515
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: to stab someone with chopsticks, right, Like, even if you

516
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: did it once, they're long, right, it's I feel like

517
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: you'd really have to force it, and you'd have to

518
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Speaker 1: sit there with like with like a hammer and hammer

519
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: them in or something to the point where you wouldn't

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00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: see them hanging out of your nostril.

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Speaker 3: Also, you're getting severe migraines for five whole months before

522
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Speaker 3: you get it checked out.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing with these news stories.

524
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Speaker 1: I think that, like with the one with the toothbrush

525
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: and now this one, there's a lot more to the

526
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: story that they're not talking about because some of this

527
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: stuff just doesn't even make any sense for anybody that's

528
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: ever worked in a hospital.

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00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask you that.

530
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Speaker 3: I meant to ask you this during the Brandy Mallory

531
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: story as well. Do you think it's an issue with

532
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: the press not understanding how to read death certificates and

533
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: false reporting? I just think it's a lazy corner.

534
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't I don't.

535
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: Well in these two cases, they're both they're both surgical cases.

536
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: The toothbrushes was an endoscopy and this one is probably

537
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: some kind of similar procedure up inside the nose if

538
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: they were able to remove them that way. So the

539
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: people aren't dyed, it didn't die. It's not sloppy corner.

540
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: It's just because the people that are writing the stories

541
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Speaker 1: don't understand how that is just unlikely or not possible.

542
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why I love this show and

543
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: it's so great because when I read this story about

544
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: the toothbrush, like, I'm like, what.

545
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: The hell is?

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00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: Nobody's calling this shit out, you know, and I'm glad

547
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: at least I could talk it out.

548
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: With all of you. Absolutely.

549
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: So let's get into our last freak accident, which this

550
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: is another one where you read the headline and you're.

551
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Speaker 2: Like, what the heck?

552
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: So a three year old, a three month old, not

553
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: a three year old was killed by a family's pet

554
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: wolf in Alabama.

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00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, so apparently Alabama doesn't have rules as far

556
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Speaker 1: as having exotic pets.

557
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: But well, let me let me tell you so I

558
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: did a little extra research on this because I was like,

559
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: something can't be right. This was a pet or a

560
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: wolf hybrid, so it was part dog n part wolf,

561
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Speaker 3: which was considered a domestic animal, not an exotic animal,

562
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Speaker 3: which is why they were legally allowed to own it.

563
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: And there's apparently various different types of wolf and dog hybrids,

564
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Speaker 3: but this one is considered domestic, so that's why they

565
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Speaker 3: were able to have it.

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Speaker 2: But the family was.

567
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: Still not following the special rules there were for this

568
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: exact breed of wolf slash.

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Speaker 1: Such as, what I mean, I'm not a dog person,

570
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Speaker 1: so I don't know what the difference between a.

571
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: Regular dog versus a wolf dog.

572
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, it was supposed to be it was supposed to

573
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Speaker 3: be held properly, like in a cage or something, you know,

574
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: like not unsupervised around people. So what like it's essentially

575
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Speaker 3: like having a tiger at your house.

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Speaker 1: But then, like, can I ask the question, what the

577
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Speaker 1: fuck is the point of having this animal live in

578
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Speaker 1: your house when you have a baby if it's supposed

579
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Speaker 1: to not be around? Like, I understand why people want

580
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Speaker 1: to have dogs. They want a pet, they want a companion,

581
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: like it's part of the family. What about the wolf, Like,

582
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: what is it about this that is attractive?

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Speaker 2: To people.

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Speaker 3: They were saying that other children present as well, so

585
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Speaker 3: maybe in their weird minds they were like, well, we

586
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: never had a problem with any of the other kids,

587
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Speaker 3: so maybe we won't have a problem with the baby,

588
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Speaker 3: And now a child's life has ended because some people

589
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Speaker 3: just have to have we pets. It just doesn't even

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Speaker 3: make sense.

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Speaker 1: Another thing is is that I read from some like

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Speaker 1: Wolf Association that typically, like people commonly get when they

593
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Speaker 1: get these types of pets, they don't do what they're

594
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Speaker 1: supposed to do with them, and they often like abandon

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Speaker 1: them or bring them to shelters because they're not they're

596
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Speaker 1: they're like kind of surprised by their aggressive nature and

597
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Speaker 1: they don't want them in their housi.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So this story is pretty insane coming out of Queens.

626
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: So nine one one receives a call and somebody says

627
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: that their cousin is killing their family members. So they

628
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: rush over to the house. When they get to the house.

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Speaker 3: They see a male walking down the driveway with luggage

630
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: and try to get some sense of what's going on,

631
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: and within ten seconds, the guy whips out a knife

632
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: stabs one of the police officers, and the next stebs

633
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: another one in the head, and then a third officer

634
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: shoots the guy and kills him on the scene. So

635
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: that sounds crazy in itself, right, It only gets worse

636
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: as they get into the house. There's an eleven year

637
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: old girl dead in the front of the house and

638
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: they can't get into the rest of the house because

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Speaker 3: it is on fire. So it's there's more.

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Speaker 1: This is what's so crazy about this story this week,

641
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: because obviously, like every single week, there's there's mass shootings

642
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: all the time, and you hear, yeah, four people dead,

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00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: six people dead, ten people dead, and there was even

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00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: one last night at UNLV, right, and it's just terrible

645
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: to hear about that. But usually you're hearing these these

646
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: mass murders are occurring because of people with guns. But

647
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: we also have to remember that you can kill a

648
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: lot of people with a knife too, especially like those

649
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: cops were probably not expecting that when they showed up.

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00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very unexpected. And it was just like

651
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Speaker 1: that that they could have gotten killed. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you know where to stab somebody, I'm saying, so it

653
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: is a reminder that people it's not just a gun issue,

654
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: because people kill people with other weapons too.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely, And think that all went down in

656
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Speaker 3: ten seconds. Do you think they had any idea what

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00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: was about.

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Speaker 1: To have I mean you're saying that the nine one

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Speaker 1: one call said that someone was stabbing people or something,

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Speaker 1: or they were on alert that somebody was stabbing, But

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Speaker 1: I don't think they were prepared for it to go

662
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: down quite yeah. I mean maybe they didn't even think

663
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: the guy that was in the drive I had anything

664
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: to do with it. I mean, I feel like if

665
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: you're a police officer, you're always kind of on edge

666
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: a little bit to think that someone's trying to hurt

667
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: you at any time. But it just it just happens

668
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: so fast, and you have two police officers that are

669
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: there with guns and this guy was still able to

670
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: stab both of them and I mean getting stabbed in

671
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: the neck. I'm assuming that they missed a major artery

672
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: because otherwise that cop could be dead right now, Like

673
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: they could just go down that.

674
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: Quick, totally so there's even more to this story. So

675
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: they get the fire out, and then they discover a

676
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: second victim now that was alive and in the hospital

677
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: getting treatment. And then as they start going through the house,

678
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: they find three additional victims that are dead, a twelve

679
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: year old boy, a forty year old woman, and a

680
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: thirty year old male. So all in all, between the

681
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: assailant and the victims, five people are dead. The officers

682
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: are okay somehow. I don't even know how they're recovering

683
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: right now. But the only thing is that this guy,

684
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: this assailant, was visiting his family. He had one domestic

685
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 3: domestic abuse charge in the past, and they have really

686
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: no idea what his motive is. And they're hoping that

687
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: the surviving victim can explain exactly what happened and they

688
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: could try to sort this out. But how horrible that

689
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: this all happened to one family.

690
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it.

691
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it's horrible for the police and the first

692
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: responders that had to go to the fire too, that

693
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: to have to witness something like this, you know, it's

694
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: it's just terrible, or actually go through it and get

695
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: injured as well. Yeah, I don't really I don't really

696
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: know what would cause anybody to do that.

697
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of knife.

698
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, did the guy just grab a kitchen knife?

699
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: Did he have a larger knife?

700
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: Who knows? But it's scary.

701
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: No, it really is scary. But I will say one

702
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: of the positive things about this week is our violent

703
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: crime section was much shorter than normal, So maybe there's

704
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: hope for the But let's start with our medical stories.

705
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: With there's a new syndrome being displayed that they believe

706
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: is tied to fentanyl.

707
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: So they've been studying some babies that have been having

708
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: these unusual characteristics or very specific characteristics of having like

709
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: a small head and a small body and a cleft palate,

710
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: and the specific symptoms that these babies are having are

711
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: indicative of like a genetic syndrome usually, so they work

712
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: off all these kids and they find out that they

713
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: don't have a genetic syndrome. So they're trying to say, well,

714
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: why do all these kids kind of have these similar things?

715
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: Like that's what that's what researchers tried to figure out,

716
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: like what is it in common with all these kids?

717
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: Because do you remember, like a couple years ago, there

718
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: was like this zeco virus that was a mosquito born illness,

719
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: and these babies were being born with microcephali like they

720
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: have to figure out what is causing things to try

721
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: to pinpoint, and in that case it was it was

722
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: a virus that they were able to link it to.

723
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: In this case, they think that all of the mothers

724
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: who were pregnant were actually using fentanyl at the same time,

725
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and they believe that they might be onto something that

726
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: this is a syndrome associated with pregnant mothers who use ventanyl,

727
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: just like you would see with there was a fetal

728
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: alcohol syndrome. Certain babies have characteristics of being exposed to

729
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: alcohol in utero. So for those of you that I

730
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know who would be unfamiliar with ventanyl at this point,

731
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: it's on the news multiple times every single day. And

732
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: fentanyl is an opioid drug, but it's a synthetic one,

733
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: which means that it's man made, and it's stronger than heroin,

734
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: it's stronger than morphine, like a hundred times stronger. It's

735
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: just a really really powerful drug. And it was originally

736
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: created as a pharmaceutical to be used in real patients,

737
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: and it has been a lifesaver for so many people. Specifically,

738
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: like if you're dealing with end stage cancer and you're

739
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: getting ready to die, you might have had a family

740
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: member or something that's used fatanol because it relieves pain

741
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: for people that are in like the end stages of

742
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: horrible pain. But of course, with that being said, there's

743
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: this huge market for it being made illegally and encounterfeit drugs.

744
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: So you have this situation where you have people that

745
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: are addicted to pain pills, and that's all the pharmaceutical

746
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: industry's fault pretty much that that even started. But now

747
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: you have people that are addicted to percosets and now

748
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: they're doing all of these like rollbacks that are people

749
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: can't get them from their doctors, Okay, fine, but they're

750
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: still addicted to them and they still want them, so

751
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: now they're buying them illegally. So these drugs are made

752
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: and their counterfeit drugs and instead of it like it

753
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: looks like a percoset when you buy it, but really

754
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: it's made up of whatever chemical these people made it

755
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: with and it has phentanol in it to give you

756
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: like a little bit of that feeling that you have

757
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: taken a percoset. The only problem is is that these

758
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: drugs are made in people's houses. They're not regulated by

759
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: the FDA, and oftentimes a kid will just take a

760
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: pill at a party thinking that they're taking a percocet,

761
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they overdose on feentanyl because

762
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: you just need such a small amount to even overdose on.

763
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: So fatanyl is.

764
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: A huge problem, whether it's illegally, and usually people that

765
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: are taking fentanyl aren't getting that are taking it for

766
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: a prescription, aren't in a situation where they're getting pregnant

767
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: and having babies hopefully, so this is probably more likely

768
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: like illegal counterfeit fentanyl mothers addicted to it, or mothers

769
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: on these pills and these babies are coming out with

770
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: these syndromes and or like a look of a syndrome. Anyway,

771
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: Another thing to consider is that not only is it

772
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: the fentanyl, but also it could be like whatever these

773
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: these illegal drug manufacturers are cutting in the pills to

774
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: make the pills themselves.

775
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

776
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: If you guys get a chance, you should actually google

777
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: what a counterfeit percoset looks like in comparison to a

778
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: prescription one, because they look exactly the same.

779
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: It's so scary.

780
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: It's like, seriously a problem in our country right now.

781
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what's happening right now. So we're just

782
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna keep an eye on that and see how that

783
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: goes down. But that might it's cool that they're doing

784
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: research and they're able to connect these things together.

785
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, just seeing the photos of the babies and the

786
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: common symptoms, the physical things they're presenting with are was

787
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: really heartbreaking for me. I think it's really said that

788
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: people are pro creating and not taking their bodies seriously

789
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 3: during this time. And then it's not only affecting your life,

790
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: it's affecting a new life, and you're kind of setting

791
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: your kids up for failure. And it's just when you

792
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: see the pictures of these kids, it's really tugs at

793
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: your heart strengths because you're just like, why is this

794
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: fair to them? Yeah, and hopefully it's not not any

795
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: neurological problems, but more just like things that could be repaired. Obviously,

796
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: if the head is smaller, that's a problem because that

797
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: typically means that the brain is smaller and.

798
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: That comes with problems.

799
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean I've been seeing this like my

800
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: entire career of people getting plasennas because in the hospital

801
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: we would get all a lot of placennas anyone that

802
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: a parent was doing drugs. But people are always doing drugs,

803
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: so it always had plasennas from a parent that was

804
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: on some kind of drug, whether it be cocaine or

805
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: heroin or anything. And it's just it is. It's really upsetting,

806
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: all right. Next case this this said that a man

807
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with having spider eggs in his toe. Okay,

808
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: so a man and his wife were celebrating their thirty

809
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: fifth wedding anniversary on a cruise. He said, they were

810
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: on land in Mercia, in France, and that's when a

811
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: spider bit him. So then he goes back on the

812
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: cruise ship and a dire a doctor diagnosed him with

813
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: Peruvian wolf spider bite. And then they said when they

814
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: cut it open, there was eggs inside of the wound. Yeah,

815
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: so apparently when they were when they had it checked

816
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: out on this vacation, they cut it open and they

817
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: were saying that there were eggs inside and puss when

818
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: they opened it up, and they were black, they said,

819
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: and they took He said, but don't worry, I got.

820
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: It all out. I'm almost wondering if like they were

821
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: joking with him for real.

822
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because a lot of so this sounds really far

823
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: fetch to begin with, and then a lot of experts

824
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: are saying that that's not even possible. One person said,

825
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: no spider on this earth can lay eggs in a

826
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: person's toe.

827
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and other experts have said that that this

828
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: there's no spider in France that could do this kind

829
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: of damage to a person's toe. And on top of that,

830
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: because he so what happened was he ended up having

831
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: like a very specific reaction to it. He got, like

832
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: I was talking about this earlier with stink Bomb, he

833
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: got this like necrotic appearing toe that was filled with

834
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: pus and it probably smelled really horrible. But they're saying

835
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: that that these spiders they have venom to like paralyze

836
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: a fly. That's like what, that's what their venoms designed

837
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: to do. It's not going to cause necrosis in a

838
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: human toe. And on top of that, it seems like

839
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: these spider eggs should be white, and they're like they

840
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: come out in some kind of a cocuno mos that

841
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: looks like a cotton ball, and it would take some

842
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: time for that to happen, not like a quick bite.

843
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: They just don't think it's possible that that even happened.

844
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, most experts just think it was a wild bacteria infection.

845
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: It cannot possibly be from a spider.

846
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that he went to some

847
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: hospital in France, let's say, and the doctor. You know,

848
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: you ever have a doctor that just kind of is

849
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: like messing with you? They joke, they do you think

850
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: he was like, Oh, look at all the it's a

851
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: lot of spider eggs, but I got it out. Don't worry, Like,

852
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: do you think it could have been some you know,

853
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: like when we tell Lillian jokes, she never gets the joke.

854
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: She's she like stares at you like she would one

855
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: hundred percent.

856
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: Be like, wait does that Acond? I have spider eggs

857
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: in my wound?

858
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: Well?

859
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: I love that the.

860
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: Hospital is calling him spider man. Yeah, I mean that

861
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: is that is But I also got I'm getting in

862
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: a new internet hole of what's it like to be

863
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: a cruise ship doctor?

864
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: And what do you see?

865
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I actually I would be actually interested

866
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: in that too. Maybe we can write a high profile

867
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: dissection about that because people die on cruise ships. Like,

868
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: if someone dies on a cruise ship, do they finish

869
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: the cruise ship?

870
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: Do they'd send it back? Because like, let's have a

871
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: mark on the cruise they have They actually have refrigerators. Yeah,

872
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: they do. That's so cool. I just heard this recently.

873
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: Actually, because so many old people go on cruises and retire,

874
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: I wonder.

875
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: How many bodies they could accommodate. I just really have

876
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: questions about this.

877
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: You know, I think that this would be a good

878
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: This would definitely be a good high profile dissection, but

879
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: it would also be a really good interview to have

880
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: somebody on to tell us exactly how it goes down

881
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: beginning and end.

882
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just curious because let's say you're set for

883
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: like a five to seven day cruise and someone even

884
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: gets appendicitis, Like, what do you do with that person?

885
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: Does like another little boat show up and take that

886
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: person to the hospital, because you, I mean, they're not

887
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: set up to.

888
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: Do surgery on the boat. Obviously they could.

889
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: Well do you know that for a fact, maybe they

890
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: have a little mini I just can't I could.

891
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: I could totally see that they could handle something small

892
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: like a like a spider bite or some kind of

893
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: weird toe issue, but to actually have I just don't.

894
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

895
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: I just I would say that that's not likely. But

896
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I can't be wrong doing the deep dive exactly, all right.

897
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: Our last medical case is about a woman who was

898
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: found dead.

899
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: At a bus stop outside of a hospital.

900
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: So this story is kind of strange and doesn't add

901
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: up a little bit. So this woman called her aunt

902
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: and said she was going to the hospital because she

903
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: woke up with bad stomach pans and felt like she

904
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: was having trouble breathing. And the aunt is saying she

905
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: had been in and out of contact with her. It

906
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 3: took her eight the girl eight hours to go back

907
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: in the emergency room, and after the aunt heard she

908
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 3: was going back in the room, she stopped hearing from her.

909
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: So they hadn't heard from her the next day and

910
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: they thought maybe she had been admitted and couldn't get

911
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: in touch with her. And then the following day, so

912
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: two days after she goes to the hospital, they get

913
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: a call from the coroner saying that the girl was

914
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: found dead at the bus stop outside of it.

915
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: Oh, this woman didn't, I feel like I wasn't sure

916
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: that I don't believe.

917
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it's said, but from some of the

918
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 3: photos in the article, it seemed like she was probably

919
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: around my age, like mid mid twenties to mid thirty range.

920
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 3: So what's kind of suspicious about this is they put

921
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: up they put up all these posts. The family put

922
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: up posters around the bus stop asking if anybody had

923
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: any information, and two witnesses came forward saying that they

924
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: had seen a hospital staff wheeling in an empty wheelchair

925
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: back into a van and a person wrapped in a

926
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: blanket at the bus stop. So I guess what they

927
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: were alluding to is that the hospital staff like dumped

928
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: her off at the bus stop outside in a blanket

929
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: and then put the wheelchair back, and then they left

930
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 3: her out there to die kind of, and then somebody

931
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: found her dead the next day.

932
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: So I would hope.

933
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: That something like that would never happen, but something like

934
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: that has happened before that. I mean, the hospital put

935
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: out a thing that was basically like, hey, we treat people,

936
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: and then when we say they're not in an emergency anymore,

937
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: we discharge them.

938
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't.

939
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: Know, but what's the extent of kick them out? Like

940
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: if she if she was seemingly fine in their opinion,

941
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: and they were like, were discharging you and she was

942
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 3: refusing to leave. Are they going to physically roll her over.

943
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: To the bus stop?

944
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

945
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean, what are they gonna do? Let her move in?

946
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: I don't I just don't know what the.

947
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: Protocol is to deal with something like that. So so

948
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: she dies and then they're saying her blood alcohol level

949
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: was at point thirty three percent, slightly higher than therapeutic

950
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: dose level of tramadol and opioid used to treat severe pain.

951
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: So the families thinking that she drank a lot, maybe

952
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: to blind her pain when she was at the bus stop.

953
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 3: This story is just kind of like yeah, because they're

954
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: saying that she was dropped off and then acquired alcohol

955
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: from somebody else and drank away her pain at the

956
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: bus stop, but didn't call anybody.

957
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: To come get her. And I don't know.

958
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm not saying either sides right, the hospital's right, or

959
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: the families were.

960
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm just very confused by what.

961
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was most confused to like where the alcohol

962
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: came from, because I feel like if she was I'm

963
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: not sure. Again, I don't want to speak because I

964
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: don't work in the emergency room. But I feel like

965
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: if she was really drunk, they might have like held

966
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: her for a little while to kind of They wouldn't

967
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: just let like because they could get in trouble for

968
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: that if they let an intoxicated person like leave like

969
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: that without knowing that someone like, like think about this

970
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: for a second.

971
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: Let's say like you and your.

972
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Husband go to the to go to a bar or

973
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: something and you get like really drunk and you end

974
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: up going to the emergency room for whatever reason, you're

975
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: thrown up, whatever it is. And then they just say, ah,

976
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: she's drunk, and let you leave, and and like nobody no,

977
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: like I didn't come pick you up, say I got

978
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. I'll take her home, Like

979
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: and you walk outside and stumble out into the street

980
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: and get hit by a car, Like they can get

981
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: in trouble for that.

982
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: For releases. Well, that's what I'm saying.

983
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: They like are physically taking her body and putting it

984
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: on the bus stop and instead of trying to gain something.

985
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: So if her blood alcohol level was it was crazy

986
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: high or what was it, point three to three? All right,

987
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: So if it was that high in the hospital hours

988
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: prior she was wasted, right, Well.

989
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: I think that was at all times, That's what I'm.

990
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: Saying, So if it would have been way higher when

991
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: she was alive. Right, So she was either wasted when

992
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: she went to the hospital or she somehow got out

993
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: of the hospital and drank.

994
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 3: Well that's what the family is saying, that she drank

995
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: to ease the pan, seemingly at the bust out.

996
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: But how is that, Yeah, except like maybe maybe her

997
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: boyfriend picked her up or something.

998
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: You don't know.

999
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: Well, her cause of death was listed as acute and

1000
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: chronic substance abuse, So I don't know if we're ever

1001
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: going to get clarity.

1002
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean acute though it means that that

1003
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: something happened that she she that contributed.

1004
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: To her death. That was recent so interesting.

1005
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: So if any hospital personnel wants to win and let

1006
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: us know what the procedure is when somebody's refusing, we

1007
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 3: need like.

1008
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: The whole behind the scenes tour of different things like

1009
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: the emergency room and cruise ships.

1010
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: Just very curious.

1011
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah we should, okay, but let's finish up with some

1012
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: other death news. First, we have unbelievable another hospital staff

1013
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 3: work or accused of necrophilia. Can you even believe two

1014
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: stories in two weeks with this?

1015
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1016
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: Apparently, I mean, unfortunately, this happens, and it I don't

1017
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: know what it is about, if it's just if it's

1018
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: if it's something that the person is just so desperate

1019
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: to have sex with a person, or if it's like

1020
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: actually a fetish. I don't understand what it is. But

1021
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: this guy is a forty six year old security guard.

1022
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: So depending on like one of the hospitals I worked at,

1023
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: I was the person that was in charge of the death,

1024
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: so like I would release the bodies to the funeral homes,

1025
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: and I was in charge of taking bodies in and

1026
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: out of the fridge.

1027
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: But usually when a person died.

1028
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: Like one of the nurses from the floor would take

1029
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: the bodies down to the morgue fridge. And security really

1030
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with deaths in the one

1031
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: hospital that I worked at. In other hospitals that I

1032
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: worked at, the security dealt with all of the dead bodies.

1033
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: They released them to the funeral homes. They dealt with

1034
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: all of them. So that was probably more than likely

1035
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: the case here. But this guy's yeah, they said that

1036
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: was that was their protocol. It was a hospital in Phoenix,

1037
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: and it was standard procedure for security guards to wield

1038
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: the deceased into the morgue.

1039
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1040
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: So the most disturbing part was I guess that other

1041
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: people that worked in the morgue came down went to

1042
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: the morgue refrigerator and it was locked like from the inside,

1043
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: and they thought that that was really weird. And there

1044
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: was some kind of window in the morgue refrigerator, some

1045
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: of them, like we had at one of the morgues

1046
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: I worked at, because sometimes a family would want to

1047
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: view the body and they we didn't really ever use that,

1048
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: but that's what the window was there for, and the

1049
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: employees saw through the window that he was kind of

1050
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: first first key is that the woman was on I

1051
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: think that she was lying on her belly right like

1052
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: she was up, but she was out of the bag unzi. Yeah,

1053
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: but where how was her body positioned? Didn't it say

1054
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: that she was like face down? Yeah, so she was,

1055
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: she was uncovered, whether she was in a bag or

1056
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: under a blanket or something, and she was face like

1057
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: you you would never ever ever put a person face

1058
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: down in the body bag, and the reason for that

1059
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: is because you have something called lividity or libr mortis

1060
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: when when you die, all of the blood from your

1061
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: blood vessels kind of falls down to dependent areas. So normally,

1062
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: if you die in the hospital, it will go to

1063
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: your back and you live, you lay down and when

1064
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: you are when you're in the hospital, that's the typical

1065
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: lividity pad that you would see.

1066
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: Is on the back.

1067
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: You don't want to put somebody down face down because

1068
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: the lividity's going to happen on their face, and lividity

1069
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: looks like a really deep, like reddish purple color. So

1070
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: think about this. This is a seventy nine year old lady.

1071
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: She might be having a viewing, might be getting a funeral,

1072
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: and that would be really hard for the funeral directors

1073
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: to cover that dark pigmentation in her face if she

1074
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: was having a viewing. So you would never ever put

1075
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: a person in upside down in a body bag. So

1076
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: if I like, I just keep when I read this story,

1077
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I kept thinking about this for myself, like, Okay, if

1078
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: I walk downstairs and saw this happening, like what would

1079
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: I think? And I would instantly be like, what the

1080
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: fuck is going on? This body is like not supposed

1081
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: to be like that, and it can't well, not only

1082
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: it can't like accidentally get upside down, it's a dead

1083
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a dead body.

1084
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wasn't only that, but he was profusely sweating,

1085
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: his pants were unzipped, his belt was on the table,

1086
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 3: Like what else are you gonna say?

1087
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: Except he said he had a medical.

1088
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: Event and passed out and was using the table to

1089
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: help and she just happened to flip over, and they're like, yeah, okay,

1090
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: so they report him and then he this is what

1091
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: also is concerning. Did you see he was charged with

1092
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: five counts of crimes against a dead person? Well, is

1093
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: that towards the same person?

1094
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: I think because they said that this happened, they were

1095
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: able to determine what date this happened. And then they

1096
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: said because they saw it on video footage. So I'm

1097
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Speaker 1: sure that they went back and were looking at footage

1098
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: of like how many times he was going in there

1099
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: and how long, because like, really, the more refrigerator is cold.

1100
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: It's like open your refrigerator, it's cold right when you

1101
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: go in there, and I've had a go. You have

1102
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: to go in there all the time to like check

1103
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: to see if a body's in their funeral home might

1104
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: call and say like, hey, I'm coming to pick up

1105
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: so and so, and then you say, yeah, they're there.

1106
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: You want to just check they're there because sometimes they're

1107
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: on the floor or whatever, just so like a funeral

1108
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: director doesn't waste their time going over there if they're

1109
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: not ready yet. You go in there to take the temperature.

1110
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: You go in there for all sorts of reasons. But

1111
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: it's cold, so you want to get in and out

1112
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: as fast as possible. It's not somewhere where you would

1113
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: just hang out because it's uncomfortable to be in there.

1114
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: You kind of like run in and you're like, oh

1115
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: my god, it's so cold. Let me do what I

1116
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: got to do and get out. So if they're looking

1117
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: at a video of this guy entering the Morge refrigerator

1118
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: and he's staying in there for like ten minutes, you

1119
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: would just be like, why is this guy in here

1120
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: for ten minutes? Even like it just it would never

1121
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: be necessary. Especially security really should be going in, putting

1122
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: the body in there, maybe signing a logbook, and leaving

1123
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: like there's nothing they need to be doing there. They're

1124
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: not doing autopsy or anything. It's just like that's probably

1125
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: what happened, and they probably were able to see that

1126
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: he's done this multiple times.

1127
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: I would say, it's disgusting, And we talked about this

1128
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: last week too, so then it's like they have to

1129
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 3: tell the family. I wouldn't even want to know if

1130
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: this happened.

1131
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

1132
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Could you imagine that? Like getting I just can't even

1133
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: I can't.

1134
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: I can't, I would.

1135
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: I feel like that would ruin my life more than

1136
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: grieving my dead loved ones.

1137
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 2: It's so gross and like, what a gross person.

1138
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: How wouldn't you be completely mortified that your face was

1139
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: all over the news saying you were having sex with

1140
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: a dead old lady?

1141
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: Like, it's just so bizarre to me.

1142
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't even make any sense. It's definitely a fetish

1143
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: thing people have, and it's really really gross.

1144
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: Okay, woman's still alive in a body bag. This happened

1145
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: in Brazil.

1146
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: A ninety year old woman was pronounced dead at the hospital,

1147
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: and then two hours later a crematorium worker, as it says,

1148
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: was shocked to discover that her body was still warm

1149
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: and when she lifted up her arm, it fell, Which

1150
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: can you explain why that's a red flag?

1151
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: So when you when the person that was working at

1152
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: the crematorium, that person knew what time that this woman died,

1153
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: so certain things happened to you. When you die, your

1154
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: body gets really stiff, which is called rigor mortis.

1155
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 2: And that's because if.

1156
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: You want to just sit there right now and like

1157
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: put your arms up and just flex, every single muscle

1158
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: in your body, like your arm is just like really

1159
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: really stiff. And that happens because the energy is released

1160
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: from your cells, your muscle cells, and it causes all

1161
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: of your muscles to flex. And that's something that like

1162
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: I would expect to see most of the time if

1163
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing an autopsy, like I'll call somebody will die

1164
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: one day, I come in the next morning, and then.

1165
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: You see that.

1166
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: So it's very it was very unusual to this this

1167
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: crematorium worker that her body was kind of like loose

1168
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: and she felt really warm, and that happens. I've done

1169
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: an autopsy after a person dies and they come down

1170
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: within an hour after they died, and I actually don't

1171
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: like doing an autopsy on someone that's warm because it

1172
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: really freaks me out a little bit. I would typically

1173
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: actually put them in the fridge for a couple hours

1174
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: and like let them cool down a little bit, but

1175
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: you would still expect to see certain things and it

1176
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: would trigger you right away because you're used to dealing

1177
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: with dead bodies that are cold. So if you touch

1178
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: someone that feels like you're touching Grandma's hand, you're going

1179
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: to be like, what the fuck, Like it's just going

1180
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: to trigger something that something's not right. So yeah, he

1181
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: opens it up and then he finds that this ninety

1182
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: year old lady was actually still alive in the body bag,

1183
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: brought her back to the hospital.

1184
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: Brought her back to the hospital. She was in extremely

1185
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: poor health, and then she died pretty for real, this

1186
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: time pretty shortly after. But the first time they're saying

1187
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: she died from a UTI, and then her second the

1188
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: second time they're saying she died from septic shock.

1189
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that they were like her second death certificate.

1190
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: I know. So, I mean, typically if you did have a.

1191
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: UTI and died as a result of it, it would

1192
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: be because like a UTI is just a bacteria in

1193
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: your urinary track, but that doesn't cause you to die.

1194
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: What would cause you to die is if it got

1195
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: into your blood and then it got into your organs.

1196
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: And caused you to have sepsis, So I mean tip like,

1197
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: really that should have been or cause of death the

1198
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: first time?

1199
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: Is that what's happened?

1200
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: But if she had a urinary track infection for let's say,

1201
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: two days while she was alive in a body bag

1202
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, I don't know how long of the time

1203
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: period it was.

1204
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't that long that she was in there two hours,

1205
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: it was yeah, two out, But.

1206
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: Then she she ended up living at the hospital for

1207
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 1: a couple of days before she.

1208
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: Finally did die.

1209
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what intervention they did or anything, but

1210
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: even if she had a regular uti, it could have

1211
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: become septic over a course of a couple of days.

1212
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's just sad to me because even I mean,

1213
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: at ninety years old, you could still be really with

1214
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: it and really awake and alert and completely aware of

1215
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: what's happening. It didn't say that she was in a

1216
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: coma or anything, so not sure about that, but that's

1217
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: imagine that being the end of your life.

1218
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: No harble.

1219
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: Her family's definitely planning on suing. There's a lot a

1220
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: lot of weirdness going on in this story. But all right,

1221
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: let's get into this last story. This story is out

1222
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: of Florida. So this woman was pregnant halfway through her pregnancy.

1223
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: When she is that considered a miscarriage or anything after

1224
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: like sure with it.

1225
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: Usually they'll say like after like nineteen or twenty weeks

1226
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: is considered stillborn. It just I think it depends state

1227
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: by state what terminology they would use.

1228
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: So she at between nineteen and twenty one weeks, so

1229
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: within that timeframe she gave birth and it was a

1230
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: stillborn baby, to which she confessed to storing the baby

1231
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: for a few weeks, and then she attempted to cremate

1232
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: the baby herself in a barbecue grill.

1233
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: A couple things about this case that are a little

1234
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: interesting to me. So if you, I mean, she should

1235
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: if this story is true what they're saying, she should

1236
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: have went to the hospital, But like legally do you

1237
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: have to, I don't know. I don't know if there's

1238
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: like a cut off, because women have miscarriages all the

1239
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: time when they're five weeks, six weeks, eight weeks and

1240
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: don't go to the hospital, like it happens at home.

1241
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: They lose it at home, it's in the toilet. I

1242
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: personally think that everybody should go to the hospital just

1243
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: to make sure that everything's okay and it all came

1244
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: out and everything. But I didn't know that you had to.

1245
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess this is a concern because

1246
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: then what do you do when you have a fetus

1247
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: that's nineteen or twenty weeks. You can't flush it down

1248
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: the toilet. It's too big, whereas like if you're eight

1249
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: weeks you could. So I don't know what the rules are,

1250
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: but I don't think regular people know what the rules are, right, Like,

1251
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: are you not allowed?

1252
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: Do you have to go to the hospital? Do you

1253
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: what do you do with it? Because they're saying that

1254
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: they can press charges.

1255
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: Well, they're saying if so, they're testing the ashes from

1256
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: the grill to confirm their human remains, and then if

1257
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: they do come up positive, the potential charges, which will

1258
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 3: be either a misdemeanor or felony charges would be mutilation

1259
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: of human remains or disposal of human remains improperly. So

1260
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if I agree, Like you said, this

1261
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: is a gray area. I just don't know if I

1262
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: agree with that, because.

1263
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: I I don't know.

1264
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: What the rules are because at that at that point,

1265
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: you're nineteen weeks pregnant, you're twenty weeks pregnant. The babies,

1266
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: the baby's not viable. It won't even if you go

1267
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: to the hospital, they can't do anything like it's it's

1268
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: not happening, right, So is there.

1269
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: Like do you have if you have a miscarriage before

1270
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 3: this time, do you have to alert somebody?

1271
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I mean, it's it.

1272
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: I would assume most people are gonna alert their their

1273
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: doctor about it, correct, but.

1274
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: It probably it probably differs from state to state. And

1275
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: this happened in Florida, and I don't know what their

1276
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: rules are, but like let's say, for example, in Pennsylvania,

1277
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: I think it was like anything after sixteen weeks would

1278
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: be considered a life and then we would consider that

1279
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: would get like a death certificate, whereas this death probably

1280
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: is what happens, so that would get a death certificate.

1281
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: Whereas like if someone was fifteen weeks pregnant and had

1282
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: a miscarriage, that was just like a surgical pathology case

1283
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't considered like an actual baby that had to

1284
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: go to the mork or fetus that had to go

1285
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: to the mark. So that is probably the cutoff, which

1286
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: I understand. But as a regular person, because if you're

1287
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: if you're sixteen weeks pregnant and you have a miscarriage

1288
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: and you don't want to go to the hospital, then

1289
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: that's probably okay.

1290
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: But then if.

1291
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: You're a couple of weeks more, it's not okay. Like

1292
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,959
Speaker 1: when is because I think I would think that when

1293
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what age they consider to be viable,

1294
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: twenty two weeks, maybe that some babies have lived, but

1295
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: like it's it's really not even common if there's like

1296
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: a cutoff that regular people should know, like, hey, you

1297
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: have to go to the hospital when this happens, because

1298
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: if we don't do everything we can do to try

1299
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: to keep this fetus alive, then you can get in

1300
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: trouble for that, right.

1301
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I guess we just need somebody

1302
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: that knows.

1303
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking because like a lot of women have

1304
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: emailed me over the years, Like I never went through

1305
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: this personally, but a lot of women have emailed me

1306
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: over the years and told me that they've had miscarriages

1307
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: and they don't they don't want to go to the hospital,

1308
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: or they want to keep the fetus. They asked me,

1309
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: like how to preserve I think somebody just messaged me

1310
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: the other day asking me how to preserve a fetus.

1311
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: And I always encourage people to go to the doctor,

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Speaker 1: to the hospital or to the doctor just to get

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Speaker 1: an ultrasound to make sure that all of the products

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Speaker 1: came out, because you could get an infection and other.

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Speaker 2: Issues with that. But I think that that people do that.

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Speaker 1: I just think I think it's a very traumatic experience

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: and to go to the hospital might just make it worse.

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Speaker 2: And if you know what.

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Speaker 1: It is, you knew you were pregnant, you knew you

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01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: had a miscarriage, you saw it. Like, I mean, what's

1321
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: the cut off? It has to be the death certificate thing,

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Speaker 1: and that varies. I feel like New Jersey was like

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: way further along than Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania was like death certificate

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Speaker 1: at sixteen weeks and New Jersey was like twenty weeks

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Speaker 1: or twenty two weeks or something.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess there's no point in keeping speculating about

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Speaker 3: it to get an answer.

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Speaker 2: It's just interesting.

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01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to write down all these questions I have

1330
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: about things today because I never dealt with it on

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: this end of like law enforcement end, you know what

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I don't know. I just would assume that.

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01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, like, I'm not I'm not condoning like

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: put your baby on the bar, which you grill. Okay,

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01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: I think that that's a little weird. It's all weird.

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: It's weird, for sure, but.

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Speaker 3: I think it could be a result of serious trauma

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: that's not dealt with. So we just gotta like, I

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01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: think there's a world in which we got to cut

1340
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: this lady a brake a little bit because like a

1341
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 3: lot of people don't go through situations like this and

1342
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: don't understand how they would handle it. Not that it

1343
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: was right, just she might not have had the mental

1344
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 3: capacity to realize even what was going on. So let's

1345
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Speaker 3: get into our questions of the day. Every Friday on

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 3: the Mother at mother nos Death Instagram, we post a

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: little question box in the story so you could ask

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: your question if you want to be featured on this week.

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Speaker 2: We had so many questions, so we.

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Speaker 3: Tried to whittle it down not cut any people out,

1351
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: but there was a lot to go through. So first,

1352
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: this is from a med student and they say, I'm

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01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: indecisive between pathology and forensics, So what are your views

1354
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: on both?

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Speaker 1: I think that I think it's it's good that if

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Speaker 1: you're a medical student and you love pathology and you

1357
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: love forensics, that's actually going to work out well for

1358
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: you because you have to do a pathology residency anyway

1359
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: in order to become a medical examiner or to get

1360
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: a friends to be a forensic pathologist. So I think

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Speaker 1: that this is just a decision that you could make yourself.

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: When you're in your residency, you're going to know right

1363
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: away because you get to rotate everywhere. You do autopsy,

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Speaker 1: you do go to the medical examiner's office and do autopsy,

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: and then you do clinical pathology and anatomic pathology. And

1366
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: while you're in your residency, you're going to start saying like, hey,

1367
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Speaker 1: I really like this or I don't like this. And

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01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: oftentimes it's like when you walk in, you think you

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Speaker 1: like one thing and then you end up liking another thing.

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Speaker 1: And at that time, you'll be in a residency for

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Speaker 1: pathology for like four years, and then during that time

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Speaker 1: you could decide, Okay, I'm going to do a fellowship,

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Speaker 1: which is additional training in forensics or in anything, blood bank,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. So I think it's just

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Speaker 1: good that you know you like that whole scene, because

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Speaker 1: you're going to be able to get a taste of

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01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: all of it once you start as a resident.

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Speaker 3: Okay, next, working in the medical field, is there any

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Speaker 3: activity that you would never do, for example, ride a motorcycle.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would never ride a motorcycle. I used to

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Speaker 1: ride a motorcycle. I had a scooter, and I also

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01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: my dad had a motorcycle my entire.

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01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: Life, and I would go on it from time to time.

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Speaker 1: And I never really thought much of it, heard of

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01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: people here and there dying in a motorcycle accident. But

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Speaker 1: once I went to the medical Examiner's office, I was

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: kind of mind blown about how especially in the summer,

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01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: I was mind blown about how many people die die

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Speaker 1: every single day that are on a motorcycle. So hell no,

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Speaker 1: I won't go on one. My husband always jokes with

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: me from time to time and says he wants to

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Speaker 1: get one, and I tell him that he's going to

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Speaker 1: die at work every single time he goes to work,

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Speaker 1: so he's not allowed to have a motorcyle cycle.

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Speaker 2: It's really the only.

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Speaker 1: Thing that while he also wants to skydive, to which

1397
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not happening, but it's like the only

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Speaker 1: rules I have.

1399
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I that for sure.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Ray, Well, is there anything else that

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: I'm like kind of crazy about like that?

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: Well, I'm thinking of activity. So I think you kind

1403
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 3: of nailed them all because the only other thing not

1404
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 3: activity per se is smoking.

1405
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, we could get into that.

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say, I mean there's there's other

1407
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: stuff obviously, like every like getting in the car. There's

1408
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: there's also car accidents every day that kill people too, right,

1409
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: But like the motorcycle accidents were more than the car

1410
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: accidents that I that I saw, honestly, and it just

1411
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: was It just seems like stupid because unless you live

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,480
Speaker 1: in an area where you have to have a motorcycle

1413
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: as like a form of transportation to get to work,

1414
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: I think, like recreationally, it's just dumb to me.

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: Okay, next is for me, how did you explain what

1416
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 3: your mom did for work when you were a kid.

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01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: So the good thing about being a little kid is

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01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: nobody really cares what everybody else's parents are doing.

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,560
Speaker 2: So I feel like I didn't.

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01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: Really have to explain it that much until when I

1421
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 3: was in ninth grade in my biology class. I feel like,

1422
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: I had a lot of good information thanks to you.

1423
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 3: So I had told my teacher that what you did,

1424
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 3: and he thought that was really cool. So I think

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: all my science teachers always thought it was really cool

1426
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: what you did. And then yeah, again, you're still in

1427
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 3: that weird kid phase where nobody cares. And then I

1428
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: guess I really didn't have to until the Instagram came out,

1429
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 3: which was my senior year of high school freshman year

1430
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: of college, when you started really like blowing up, and then.

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Speaker 2: They're just like, your mom's the autopsy lady.

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause that's the weird thing that all these like

1433
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: news stories and stuff start coming out and then all

1434
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it goes from me, I want to

1435
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: work every day to like, okay, our our cousins and

1436
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: our neighbors saw.

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 2: An article about me, which was a little weird at first. Yeah,

1438
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: it was weird.

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01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 3: I think a lot of a lot of people used

1440
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 3: to be like, your mom's the funeral director and I'm like, no,

1441
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: she deals with dead people, but not in that way.

1442
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: They still think that.

1443
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that's that on that, But next question,

1444
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: how about international collabse with other pas.

1445
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I'd be into that. I don't.

1446
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: I think in other countries, I'm not sure that there

1447
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: is exactly a profession of a pathologists assistant. I don't

1448
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: know how things work anywhere else except here.

1449
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 3: Well, it'd be cool if somebody reads out. Maybe we

1450
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: could have a guest spot in the gross room where

1451
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 3: somebody kind of explains.

1452
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would bear and how I am interested.

1453
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, it's like there's there's going to be

1454
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: people doing the autopsies and doing the same thing as me.

1455
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 2: I'm just curious of the process there.

1456
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 3: Okay, what's your diet like? After seeing so many obesity

1457
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: related deaths? Are their foods you avoid?

1458
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm a big person that I don't avoid

1459
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: any food.

1460
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: I just I just do it in moderation. So I

1461
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: eat everything. I eat ice cream, I don't. I don't

1462
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: really eat fried food. But it's not because of I'm

1463
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: scared of it. It's just because I don't really like it.

1464
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: So I don't have a lot of fried food.

1465
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: I do. I eat a lot of.

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: Fish at least a couple times a week. That's like

1467
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: a big thing that I think is important. But I

1468
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: understand people like don't like that. But yeah, I think

1469
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: that everything is fine as long as you just don't

1470
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: eat it all the time, so you can't, like for

1471
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: my kids, for example, the sugary drinks are like a

1472
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: huge factor. And I'm I don't wanna take soda away

1473
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: from my kids because they're gonna they're just gonna like

1474
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: smuggle it in the house behind my back. But so

1475
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: I say, okay, you could have.

1476
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: Soda when we go on vacation and when.

1477
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 1: It's what are the rules, like vacation, holidays and someone's birthday.

1478
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: So that's like that's like a lot of times a

1479
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: year for us, between all those different things, and they

1480
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: do they ask me all the time. I'm but right

1481
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 1: now I've had like three or four cans of coke

1482
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: in my fridge for four months that they haven't touched.

1483
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of you're drinking water all the

1484
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: time unless it's like one of these special things, and

1485
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: they seem to be okay with that. And I've cut

1486
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: down on that too, because I used to be like

1487
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: a huge coke not the cocaine, but the Coca cola person,

1488
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: which now I've one hundred percent transferred to like fizzy

1489
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: kind of water because I feel like that's always what

1490
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: I enjoyed was like that burning crisp sensation when you're

1491
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: drinking it. It just it's I actually can't even drink

1492
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: coke anymore, to be honest with you, a hard time.

1493
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I love Coca Cola, but actually I've been

1494
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: falling off of it recently, and the only times I

1495
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 3: want it is I'll get one from McDonald's like once

1496
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: or twice a month, and it is the best treat ever.

1497
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 3: But sometimes even when I get them at restaurants, it's

1498
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 3: like either cola or the worst of all time, pepsis.

1499
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: The worst thing happened to me.

1500
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: Like last week because I was getting McDonald's for the kids.

1501
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: Again. I get my kids McDonald's once in a while.

1502
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: It's just like they don't eat it every day because

1503
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 1: kids are kids and they want to eat.

1504
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 2: That stuff, so they I was getting it.

1505
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: For them, and I don't really eat anything there because

1506
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 1: they don't have much gluten free there besides like salad,

1507
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: and who wants salad for McDonald's.

1508
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get a coke. I

1509
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 2: was so excited.

1510
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: So I get this like a little small coke and

1511
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: I take a sip of it and it was freaking

1512
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: diet and I was like, it is It's really like

1513
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: the worst thing ever.

1514
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so next is you introduced me to doctor Fitteris

1515
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,480
Speaker 3: and Caleb Wilde. What other books would you recommend?

1516
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: Oh, we have so many good books. One of my

1517
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: favorites was doctor his books called In My Right.

1518
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I love him. I love him and I

1519
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: love the book it was.

1520
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: It's on audiobook and I had it on when I

1521
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: was like cooking dinner and I was painting my house,

1522
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: and it's just just a great book if you love.

1523
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: He's a forensic psychiatrist and he talks about just his

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Speaker 1: personal cases of working with people that have done some

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Speaker 1: really really crazy things and people that have serious mental

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Speaker 1: health conditions and then people that are just evil and

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Speaker 1: just really interesting perspective. And I really loved his book.

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Speaker 1: Lisa Paren we just covered her book with The League

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Speaker 1: of Lady Poisoners. That was excellent, love that.

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Speaker 3: I really liked The Ice Pick Surgeon by Samay read

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Speaker 3: earlier this year too. That was a really awesome book

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Speaker 3: about kind of like horrible things that happened in science

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Speaker 3: to get us kind of where we are today. And

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Speaker 3: of course my friend Paul my boy Paul love him

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Speaker 3: and Paul Cudinaris, doctor Paul Kudenaris. He has some amazing

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Speaker 3: books too that are not only really educational and interesting

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Speaker 3: if you're into this field, but they're also just really

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Speaker 3: beautiful books too.

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Speaker 2: Who else did we do? Oh? And Mary Roach of course.

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Speaker 1: Mary Roch ro Oh, yeah, but she's she did a

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Speaker 1: book called Stiff, which is a huge one if you're

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Speaker 1: into dead people.

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Speaker 3: But and we read The Radium Girls by Yeah, really

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Speaker 3: freaked me out.

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Speaker 2: That's such a good book. I love that book. I

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Speaker 2: actually just gave that book.

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Speaker 1: To my uh my neighbor that lives across the street

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01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: because it's I was just like, yeah, I tell everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you got to read this book.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting. It was such an excellent book. I can't.

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Speaker 3: It scared me in all the best ways. I as

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Speaker 3: somebody that does embroidery, I would often like, like the

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 3: thread to put it through the needle, And now I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I should not do that because I read the book.

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Speaker 3: Everybody should definitely read it. Okay, on to the next one.

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Speaker 3: As a PA, when you're making your cuts, are you

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Speaker 3: mindful of certain arteries and bombers used?

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Speaker 1: Yes, actually, I feel I've gotten compliments from many funeral

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Speaker 1: directors that tell me that they appreciate that I do that,

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: because what happens is the carotid arteries, which go on

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Speaker 1: either side of the neck here, if you cut them

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: too short up here, they kind of retract up into

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Speaker 1: the head and then it's harder for the embombers to

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Speaker 1: go up there and find the vessels in the neck.

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Speaker 1: So I do my mentor Joey, who I love, he

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01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: taught me a certain method to do it, so I

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01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: cut them really low, like right, really really low down,

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Speaker 1: and they're very visible.

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Speaker 2: And I get I've gotten a lot of compliments, I

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Speaker 2: must say.

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Speaker 1: But also like Frank for example, he used to he

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't learn that way that I did, but he used

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01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: to put tie like string and tie it on there

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Speaker 1: so they were able to find them easier. It's just

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Speaker 1: kind of like disrespect thing that, Like you're not the

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Speaker 1: last person that's dealing with it, so like be respectful

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Speaker 1: to the next person that's coming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a cool perspective. Okay, last question, I wear

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Speaker 3: cleaning houses, but I can't work with gloves, So what

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Speaker 3: are my chances of catching an illness?

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Speaker 1: I think the chances of you, like let's say, cleaning

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Speaker 1: a toilet, if you're using a paper towel or something,

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01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: are probably minimal, especially in your hands if you have

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Speaker 1: if you don't have any cuts, I would personally say,

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Speaker 1: my biggest concern is the chemicals that you're having on

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Speaker 1: your skin. That that would be the biggest concern that

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Speaker 1: I would have in that situation, especially even like bleach spray,

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Speaker 1: that foaming bleach spray or anything. I guess you wouldn't

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: get it on your hands spraying it, but then when

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Speaker 1: you go to clean it up, even if it's mixed

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01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: with water, it's really not good to have bleach on

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Speaker 1: your hands like that. So that would be my concern.

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01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: And then if you break down the skin with the

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Speaker 1: chemicals and then you start getting cuts on the skin,

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: then your brain taking down a barrier, which then can

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Speaker 1: increase the chance of you getting like some.

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Speaker 2: Kind of bacterial infection. But I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think the probability if you're asking like or you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get herpes off of someone's toilet sea, it's like,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's possible, but it's not probable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely good to think about. Because I always

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Speaker 3: I always try to wash my hands like as often

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01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 3: as I can if I'm cleaning with chemicals and stuff,

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01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 3: or I try to get more natural ones, but you

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 3: know those don't ever work that well, so that never

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01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 3: really works out. But thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 3: your questions. Don't forget every Friday on the at Mother

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Speaker 3: Knows Death Instagram to leave them in the story that

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Speaker 3: definitely check for it. If you don't see it, it'll

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Speaker 3: be there at some point in the day and we'll

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Speaker 3: be up for twenty four hours. So ask any questions

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Speaker 3: you might think of.

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Speaker 1: And also don't forget that it's holiday season coming up

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Speaker 1: and you need to have my.

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Speaker 2: Book because it's really awesome.

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Speaker 1: It's a really inexpensive gift for yourself or for someone else.

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Speaker 1: And you could a book plate on the website which

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Speaker 1: is a little sticker with my signature or whatever you

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Speaker 1: want me to write on it within reason. Don't ask

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01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: me to write anything super crazy, but I've written some

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01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: pretty crazy things, so if you want to personalize the gift,

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Speaker 1: then I could get that out to you before the

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Speaker 1: holidays too, So you could go write on our website

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Speaker 1: it's thedoramader dot com slash book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have all the links in the website

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Speaker 3: or in the episode descriptions so you could find them

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Speaker 3: all there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

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Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 1: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 1: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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Speaker 1: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 1: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed

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Speaker 1: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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Speaker 1: a medical problem, have a medical question, or having a

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01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,280
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