1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty. You're listening to the 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson sitting in for John, who, as I mentioned yesterday, 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: is an old traveling buddy for me as well as 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: being a pow. We used to We've traveled to the 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: world together. I know it's an odd thing, but so 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: it's sort of fun for me to be here on 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: the show until John returns on Tuesday. Much to do today. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: I'll update you on Powerball. Short story is you didn't win. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: I didn't win, but the good news is nobody else won, 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: so the Powerball numbers continue to rise. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: We'll get to the border there is. 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: Look, there's a serious migrant crisis, and we'll talk about 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: strategies that are being employed and talked about to handle 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: that crisis, how effective or ineffective they may be. We'll 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: get to ABC's Andy Field because Amazon is going to 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: start something. If you don't know about it, you're not 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: gonna like it. This is Amazon Prime Video, and increasingly 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: Amazon is becoming sort of like a mainstream TV network. 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: Right They show football, and they show a bunch of 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 2: other stuff, movies and things that have brought a lot 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: of boys to the yard, and the deal is that 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: now Amazon will do something that many other mainstream networks 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: are doing. And I will tell you about that a 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 2: little bit later. Steve Gugory comes by with an update 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: on something that happened on Christmas Eve and it's sort 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: of grim, but it's a reality of life in the city. 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: And Ed Begley Junior, the award winning actor and I 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: think activist, I can use that word. Ed Begley will 30 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: be here in the final hour, so there's a lot 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: to do and we will get to it. The power 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Ball I will start with because I know many play it. 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: You only need to know the amount of money at 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: the end of this The pot of gold is seven 35 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty million dollars. To know that many will 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: play it, one time cash payout would be three hundred 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: and eighty two and a half million. Yeah, Saturday Night 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: is the next drawing. If you want to put it 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: on your list, you've got a couple of days to 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: get it done. And one winner in California won a 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: million after matching all five white numbers, while another player 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: in Texas won two million with the power play option. 43 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: That was the announcement that they made, but the jackpot 44 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: itself is still untouched. And if you missed it yesterday, 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: I shared one statistic with you, And even as I 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: tell you the statistic, I know it's not going to 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: affect whether or not you're going to buy a ticket. 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: People who buy tickets they buy them hoping for the 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: you know, one in a million. People who don't, say, 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: you know, why would I buy it? Et cetera, and 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: a lot of us. And we're here at KFI part 52 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,119 Speaker 2: of this. You know, you put together a group of 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: people at the office and you buy a bunch of 54 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: tickets in hopes, right of that one. 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: In a million shot coming in. 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: Well, the one in a million shot actually, as I 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: mentioned yesterday, would be a great deal. We wish it 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: was only one in a million. Your chance of winning. 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: What did I say yesterday? It's one in two hundred 60 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: and eighty two million. So anyway, the second billion dollar 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: prize was given out July nineteenth. 62 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: That's the fourth largest prize ever. 63 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: So this has really been actually, as a year goes, 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: a pretty good year for Powerball. October eleventh was the 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: last time a player claimed the winning jackpot one point 66 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: seven sixty five billion dollars one guy in La who 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: won all them. You know he won, what do he win? 68 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: Hundreds of millions, right close to a billion dollars. He's 69 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: buying up property all over the Hollywood Hills, bought a 70 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: place in Silver Lake, bought I was close to where 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: he bought the winning ticket. 72 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: I love that. 73 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you've got close to a 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: billion dollars, you can start spending. You know, you really can, 75 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: no need to hang on to the dough. So that's 76 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: what's happening in Powerball. You know, the meetings associated with 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: what's going on at the border, the southern border, they're 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: being described as productive. But you may look at all 79 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: this and go, I don't know, asking officials in Mexico 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: City and officials in Mexico to help with these border crossings. 81 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: They want to drive down the migrant numbers, and essentially 82 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: they're having meetings to say to Mexico, help us keep 83 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: these migration numbers down. This is not a new strategy, 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: I'd suggest to you, respectfully. I mean, I get that 85 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: you're leaning in, if you're this administration, to that plan, 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: but I just feel as though there's little Mexico's doing 87 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: or can do to reduce these numbers. Here is what 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: the head of Homeland Security said, quote, the regional challenge 89 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 2: of migration requires regional solutions, and we appreciate Mexico's commitment 90 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: to continue its efforts alongside US and with others. So 91 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think a good way to frame it, saying, hey, look, 92 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: it's not just our problem in the US, it's your 93 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: problem too in Mexico and in all the countries of 94 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: Central and South America, you know, all those that are 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: oftentimes associated with the southern border. And politically, this administration, 96 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, wants to get a lid on this, 97 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: right because there's a lot made of the immigration crisis. Now, 98 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: it's worth noting that both teams Democrats and Republicans make 99 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: political hay of the immigration crisis. It really hasn't been 100 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: any kind of bipart proposal that has received any traction 101 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: at all at the congressional level when it comes to 102 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: immigration recently. I'll tell you the last one, and this 103 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: was real progress. And this should tell you that nobody 104 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: really wants to solve the problem because they're getting more 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: political mileage out of just leaving the problem and using 106 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: it against the incumbent administration. During the Obama administration, there 107 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: was a bipartisan effort. Lindsey Graham led the GOP side, 108 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: and they actually had shaped a decent immigration policy and proposal, 109 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: and at the last moment it was derailed. And that's 110 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: as I say, because ultimately these guys don't really want 111 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: to solve this problem and there really isn't the political 112 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: will to do it. They're getting more political currency out 113 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: of letting it sit there. But anyway, the latest is 114 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: to try to make Mexico a party to curing this problem. 115 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 2: And that's what Biorcis is doing. And he's the Secretary 116 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: of Homeland Security again to remind you, And they discussed 117 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: this caravan now that's traveling toward the southern border, about 118 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: three thousand people they think, according to estimates, and they're 119 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: also concerned, of course with migrant smugglers, and they're trying 120 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: to manage the border in some humane way. They say 121 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: this while trying to really cut down on the numbers. 122 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: So you know, there is and I understand there's a 123 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: tremendous backload, but there really is no legit claim to 124 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: asylum status if you're just coming here for economic reasons. 125 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: You understand that. I mean, I get it. It's a better. 126 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: Life with a greater potential economically and for your family 127 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: in the US than wherever you're coming from, probably in 128 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: Mexico or wherever. But that's not going to get you 129 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: asylum status. We grant asylum status as a result of persecution. 130 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: That you're getting, you're feeling in your countries. 131 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: So people come here as a result of violence, gang warfare, 132 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: religious persecution, et cetera. That's if you're trying to migrate legally. 133 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: But obviously what's happening at the southern border is there 134 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: are people who are fleeing all of these things I described, 135 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: but also coming here because it's just like it's a 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: better shot economically, and a lot more has to be 137 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: done at the border with more immigration judges, and yeah, 138 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: that border has to be reinforced, and so this issue continues, 139 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: both politically and in terms of the realities. But that's 140 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: the latest with high level meeting in Mexico that we're 141 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: supposedly productive. We'll see what the actual result is. The 142 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: curious Oh, we're gonna what are we doing next, Richie. 143 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: Amazon is an Amazon or not? We're doing the curious 144 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: joy of Oh, the curuous joy of being wrong. I 145 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: was right to go that way. Good. Just point me 146 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: in the right direction, Richie, I'm here for you. I 147 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: got you The Curious joy of being wrong. 148 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: This will be interesting, the kind of humility that comes 149 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: of being wrong. See John doesn't need to worry about that. 150 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: Seldom wrong is John Cobelt. But we'll get into that 151 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: story next. It's the co Belt Show, Mark Thompson sitting 152 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: in on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the 153 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 154 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM. 155 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: Six forty. 156 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson Here for John. Returns next week. Richie is 157 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: a big fan of this story. He thinks that is 158 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: provocative and it might be interesting. Let me tell you 159 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: what the story is. You know, to get a lot 160 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: of these year end stories that kind of reflect on 161 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: a lot of different issues in different ways we think 162 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: of life. 163 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: I feel as though this is one of those. Richie, 164 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: by the way, is producing today. That's who I'm talking about. 165 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: Hi, now, the uh Richard. The story is. It's titled 166 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: The Curious Joy of being Wrong. Intellectual humility means being 167 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: open to new information and willing to change your mind. 168 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: There's nothing good about being wrong. I don't like being 169 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: told what I'm wrong, So I don't know how there's 170 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: joy in being wrong. 171 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: Well, Eric, maybe this second out, Yeah, maybe this is 172 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: exactly what you need to hear. Then, Now, this is 173 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: written by a guy who has right. In the opening remarks, 174 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: talked about the fact that he was raised in a 175 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: conservative evangelical home, so deeply religious home, and that he 176 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: was taught all these things about God. He says, I 177 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: was taught that God is loving and powerful, God's faithful 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: followers are protected, and he was steeped in this stuff. 179 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: And then he said that these beliefs were shattered when 180 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: his brother unexpectedly passed away when he was twenty seven. 181 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: So he talks about his brother's death with three young children. 182 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: It shocked the family, the community, and he asked, why 183 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: didn't God save my brother? 184 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: If God is good and powerful, et cetera. 185 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: So it's all these things about religion and about his 186 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: worldview as informed by religion. 187 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: Okay, But. 188 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: What he began to realize, and this is gets him 189 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: into the larger argument because you can put religion off 190 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: to the side, is that by sort of rethinking his view, 191 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: he achieved what he and other science researchers call intellectual humility. Okay, 192 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: so he's a psychology professor and he's doing this research 193 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: on how to get more people to leave religion out 194 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 2: about anything. You know, we're really dug in on politics, 195 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: for example. It just seems as though the society is 196 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: more dug in than ever. We silo our information, we don't, 197 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, cross reference a lot of things, and you 198 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: always hear, oh, I get my information from a lot 199 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: of different places. But the reality is it's oftentimes confirmation bias. Right, 200 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: we go to those places that we feel will likely 201 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: confirm the bias that we already have. So he touches 202 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: on this, and he talks about the fact that and 203 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: this gets to what Eric's referring to that when you're wrong, 204 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: or when you see something that essentially makes pretty good 205 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: argument for the fact that your worldview isn't the right one, 206 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: it creates this intellectually humble part of you that involves 207 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: an awareness and an ownership of limitations and biases that 208 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: you have, and it keeps your ego in check. He says, 209 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: but here's my problem with this piece, che because that's 210 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: the sense of the overview what the guy says, and 211 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: he talks about this intellectual humility, and it sounds great, 212 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: you know, being open minded, avoiding, you know, being so 213 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: dug in to your positions, being willing to revise your beliefs, 214 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: being curious, seeking new ideas, be realistic, owning and admitting 215 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: your flaws and limitations, be teachable, respond non defensively changing 216 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: your behavior to align with new knowledge. So that's intellectual humility. 217 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I get that it sounds great. It just 218 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: doesn't sound very doable these days. And he's saying that 219 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: it's an asset to be this way, and he goes 220 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: into some detail in this piece, but as to it 221 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: being an asset, But what I was curious about was 222 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: how he feels people can achieve this. In other words, 223 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: if you're one of those people who's dug in. 224 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: And that's my point. 225 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: We all are, I think, kind of dug into our positions, 226 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: what our worldview is, or our belief is. How do you, 227 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: all of a sudden or even over any length of time, 228 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: achieve this thing he's talking about, becoming intellectually humble and 229 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: get a degree of intellectual humility that, like the author 230 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: of this piece, seems so keen on and this is 231 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: my problem with it. Rich He doesn't really have any 232 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: ideas on that, does he. He He talks about how 233 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: humble people are more likely to be you know, productive members, 234 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But when it actually comes down to 235 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: the research that he does, which is associated with this 236 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: that I've just been talking about, he says that humility 237 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: can be cultivated. So scholars are examining different ways to 238 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: engage in discussions, and some are exploring the role of 239 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: enhancing listening. Others are testing educational programs. Still others are 240 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: looking at whether different kinds of feedback and exposure to 241 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: diverse networks might boost intellectual humility. 242 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: But Rich, he doesn't have any real answers to this. 243 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: It's just a little sprinkle. 244 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: I I guess what I'm getting at here is it's provocative, Ritchie. 245 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: But I'd like some answers. Next time, Let's reach out 246 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: to him. Let's get him on the show. Thank you. 247 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: I'd love to let's reach out to him. I like 248 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: that plan, all right? Or when John gets back. 249 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: He's on vac right now, he's enjoying himself. 250 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Amazon is doing something. Amazon Prime is doing something that 251 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: I don't like. And I think you're not gonna like 252 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: it either. We'll talk to ABC News correspond Andy Field 253 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: about that. Next, it's the John coblt Show, Mark Thompson 254 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: sitting in on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on 255 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. 256 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to John cobelts on demand from KFI AM 257 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 4: six forty. 258 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson here for John Cobalt. John gets back next week. 259 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: He'll be here Tuesday. Yeah, but Debra's here and the 260 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: Cruse here, Eric and Richie. So we are watching many 261 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: stories or as you've heard already, but there is one 262 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: emerging that is likely going to be controversial. Amazon Prime, 263 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: you know, Amazon Prime Video I'm talking about, has increasingly 264 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: been a place where major NFL games are going down. 265 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: You can see a ton of different sporting events there. 266 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: Actually, if you just pop in and out for the NFL, 267 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: you may not realize it, but they are becoming a 268 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: place to find any number of things that you would 269 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: find on network television. If you want to think back 270 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, you know what network television was. Now, 271 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: just like those network television entities that it's competing against, 272 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: they're going to start doing something on Amazon Prime video 273 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: that is already getting huge pushback, and to tell us 274 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: about it is ABC News correspondent Andy Field. Happy New Year, 275 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: Andy Field. 276 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 5: Hi, well, Happy New Year to you and happy more 277 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 5: expensive New Years. You have Amazon Prime and you don't 278 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 5: want to have commercials, The Prime plant form is going 279 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 5: to offer new ad free subscription tier that means you 280 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 5: can avoid the commercials, but you got to pay an 281 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 5: extra two ninety nine a month now the current standalone 282 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 5: Prime Video subscription, although I don't know anyone who has that. 283 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 5: Usually people get it free. With getting Amazon Prime membership 284 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 5: for everything, the shipping and all the other stuff, which 285 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 5: I have and I'm assuming most people have there, that 286 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 5: already costs you fourteen ninety nine a month, or about 287 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty nine bucks a year. But if 288 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 5: you have the Amazon Prime subscription just for video, it's 289 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 5: eight ninety nine a month. You're going to start seeing 290 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: a lot of commercials on there soon. If you don't 291 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 5: want to do that, then you've got to pay an 292 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 5: extra two ninety nine a month, which is pretty close 293 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 5: to what you have to pay for the Amazon Prime 294 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 5: Everything subscription. And of course they're not the only ones 295 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 5: that are doing it. Who is doing it Max, a 296 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: bunch of other streaming services, Disney Plus, Paramount plus Netflix 297 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 5: and Netflix as well. And you know, again, one of 298 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 5: the reasons that most of us switched switched over from 299 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 5: cable systems and commercial TV was they didn't want to 300 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 5: watch commercials. They just wanted to watch unadultated movies. And 301 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 5: you can still do that for the most part, but 302 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 5: it's just going to cost you more money. Then. 303 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: That's a really good point, because when I think about it, 304 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm wondering. 305 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: You know, as. 306 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: The buzzards begin to circle the major networks and traditional 307 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: broadcast legacy media on television, they may have to circle 308 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: a bit longer because all of a sudden, these alternatives 309 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 2: which used to be presented to you commercial free, right 310 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: like this is what we're talking about Amazon Prime Video, 311 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 2: it'll now have the same commercials. We don't know the 312 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: length of those commercials, you know, we don't know the 313 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: frequency of those commercials. It'll in other words, it's going 314 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: to be the same morass of commercials that you have 315 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: on the traditional networks all of a sudden. And now 316 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: I get it, if you pay three bucks a month more, 317 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: you can get rid of it. But it you know, 318 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: there's a quality of resentment that I can feel building 319 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: up in me that maybe others have as well well, 320 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: and probably well. 321 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 5: Deserved, because over the year quote unquote free TV was 322 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 5: free because they had commercials that were paying for it. 323 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 5: Those are the folks that pay the bills for television networks. 324 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 5: You and I are paying the bills for Amazon Prime 325 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 5: and Netflix and Hulu and all those other things with 326 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 5: a monthly subscription fee. And now not only are we 327 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 5: paying for that which you don't have to pay for 328 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 5: for over the air TV, but now they're going to 329 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 5: add commercials which are going to put more money in 330 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: their pocket nothing in our pocket, and just delayed watching 331 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 5: the program we want to watch. 332 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, unless you. 333 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 5: Want to pay more for the service. 334 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 2: Well they also say this, which I again I put 335 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: this on the pile of resent That meant that I'm 336 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: feeling for having to pay a jacked up rate to 337 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: have what I just had for these years I've had 338 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 2: Amazon Prime Video, and this is what they say. They say, quote, 339 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: this will allow us to continue investing in compelling content 340 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: and keep increasing that investment over a long period of time. 341 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 5: I'm my feeling that it wasn't that what the subscription 342 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 5: was for. 343 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: Exactly what are you doing with the mountains of money 344 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: that we've given you already? It is such a BS 345 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: line from them, and again I'm agitated about this. I 346 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: think they're getting pushed back from the viewer community as well, 347 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: aren't they They are? 348 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 5: But here, you know, here's the thing. If I were 349 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 5: an advertiser, your advertising dollars are probably better spent on 350 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 5: Amazon and Hulu and Disney Plus and all those other 351 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: places than commercial TV. And here's why most of us 352 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 5: have well I don't know how many people still have 353 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: a ACR, but they have BBRs where they can record 354 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: those programs and then just skip through the commercials if 355 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 5: they don't want to watch them. You can't do that 356 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 5: on a streaming service. They lock you out of they 357 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 5: lock you out of fast forwarding. And so those advertisers 358 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 5: are getting a whole lot of banks for their buck 359 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: because you're forced to watch them. 360 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: Oh that's so clever. Didn't even think of it. 361 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: Although, if you're watching a sporting event in real time, 362 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: of course, in any of those platforms you've mentioned, network 363 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: Television or any of the others that are now carrying it. 364 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: And there's been a race to get that stuff for 365 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: just this reason. You are watching the commercials, right, if 366 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: you're watching in real time, you know that's correct. 367 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 5: The sporting events are different like that. Now, all that 368 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 5: being said, you and I we love commercials because they 369 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 5: pay our paychecks. So there's nothing wrong with commercials. It's 370 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 5: just that when you've paid to not have commercials and 371 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 5: then suddenly have to pay for it again, that's where 372 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 5: the annoyance gives in. 373 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: Well, not only do I not do I appreciate commercials, 374 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: but I've spent a ton of money this past year 375 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: on stuff I've seen in commercials, so I know that 376 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: they work. But all I'm saying is, as you've suggested, 377 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: if I'm tuning into something not expecting to see them, 378 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: and then I start seeing them, then it's a drag 379 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: for sure, But. 380 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: It's happening whether we like it or not. What's the 381 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: start date on all this. 382 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 5: The various dates I think they've sent out notes to 383 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 5: European subscribers, they haven't really specified the date as exactly 384 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 5: when that happens. Of course, there is a solution to 385 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 5: all of this year. 386 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: Oh what's that ending? 387 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: And yeah, well, if you're tired of all the price 388 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 5: hikes in the ads. You can always grab a book. 389 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 5: There's still free at the library. 390 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. Andy Field. 391 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: ABC's Andy Field with a with a sensible solution maybe 392 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 2: for this New Year. You can find them on Twitter 393 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: x at Field Vision and you can find them with 394 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: us here at KFI from time to time, updating various stories. 395 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: I love talking to Andy talking the new year. Thank 396 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: you you too, Okay, yeah, Happy New Year. So last night, 397 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 2: the de facto wife and I sit down to watch 398 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: a movie, and there was a lot of question as 399 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: to what movie we should watch, and so we did 400 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: tune into this same service, Amazon Prime Video, where we 401 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: found the Nicholas Cage movie and we again we did. 402 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 2: We had basically four movies in play, and this is 403 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: the one we decided upon. The new Nicholas Cage movie 404 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: is called Oh this is interesting. Actually, I'm curious whether 405 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: Deborah Mark, Deborah, I, how would you say this word. 406 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: It's the title of the new Nicholas Cage movie. It's 407 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 2: sc n a r io. Okay, scenario, thank you. That's 408 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: the right way to say it. Scenario, not scenario, thank you. 409 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 5: Eric. 410 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: That's the way my wife says. It's scenario. And it's 411 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: it's not scenario in my view now there. But then 412 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: I thought, well, because scenario sounds to me like a 413 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: like a little bit. 414 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: Pretentious, Yes, scenario. 415 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: Well it's it's a scenario here, Yes, exactly, sounds quite 416 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: up a crust and so scenario, I think. And by 417 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: the way, if you look at it, I don't. I 418 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: haven't looked it up. But if you look it up, 419 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure it is said scenario like air scenario rio. 420 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up right, thank you. 421 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: But anyway, we watched this dream Scenario is the name 422 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: of the movie, and it's kind of here's the premise. 423 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: We're right, We're right, of course we are scenario. So 424 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 2: dream Scenario is about a guy who starts showing up 425 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: in everybody's dreams. That's Nicholas Cage, and he's this sort 426 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: of awkward like he's a university professor with tenure and 427 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: he's sort of this awkward academic like he's not there's 428 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: nothing sexy about his profile. And he's showing up in 429 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: every he's dreams and he becomes an overnight sensation. I 430 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: mean literally everyone is dreaming about this guy and he's 431 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: yet he's kind of a neutral character. In everybody's dreams. 432 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: But then something happens and it changes his popularity. And 433 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: the movie was sort of intriguing and funny, funny ish, 434 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: kind of in a dark way. But anyway, Dream Scenario 435 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: is what we watched in Amazon. We watched it. It 436 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: was twenty dollars. I split it with her, Debra, I 437 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: don't like to you. 438 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: You are so generous. Wow, what a guy? 439 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I don't want her to get too comfortable. 440 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: So I said, look, I'll split it with you. 441 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: No I I and I paid for the movie of Churs. 442 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: All right, I hope. 443 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: So when we come back. As we continue on the 444 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: Cobalt Show, there's a big lawsuit. Actually it involves open 445 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: AI and micro Soft and it involves copyright. 446 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 3: This is a big, big deal. 447 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: And there's breaking news about the Apple Watch on top 448 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: of the last breaking news that hit the Apple Watch market. 449 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: So lawsuit AI and the Apple Watch. As we continue 450 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: it is the John Coblt Show. Mark Thompson sitting in 451 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: on KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the 452 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 453 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 454 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 4: six forty. 455 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson here for John co Belt with the crew 456 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: and mentioned that Ed Begley Junior is coming on the 457 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: show in the third hour. He's got a new book 458 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: and the book is unreal. 459 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 5: You know. 460 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Ed Begley Junior, and we'll talk again. 461 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: He's going to come into three o'clock hour. But the 462 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 2: guy grew up the son of an Academy Award winning actor, 463 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: so here in Hollywood, right. I always talked to Tim 464 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: Conway Junior about this because to me, you know, a 465 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 2: guy who just grew up in the city, very middle 466 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 2: class family. You know, I just always want to hear 467 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: tell me a Hollywood story. Tell me what it was 468 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: like to hang out with Mannix, you know, with Mike Connors, 469 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: who was Tim Conway's best friend, and so with Ed 470 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: Begley Junior. His father, as I've mentioned, was a screen 471 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: star and an Academy Award winning screen star, and Ed 472 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: hung out with everybody. It's all in the book. It's 473 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: it's unreal, like every page is just all of these people. 474 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: And he doesn't do it in like a name droppy way. 475 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: It just is describing his life and his problems. I mean, 476 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: you wonder how you kind of have that life and 477 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 2: have so many issues and yet it does happen. So anyway, 478 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: Ed'll be along in the three o'clock hour, we'll talk 479 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 2: to him about his new book. You know, there's a 480 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: major lawsuit underway, and in a way I'm not surprised, 481 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: but it puts together some titans of the publishing industry 482 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: against titans in the AI industry, that is, in the 483 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: tech industry. 484 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: The New York. 485 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: Times suing Open ai and Microsoft for copyright infringement. This 486 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: is a huge legal battle that will continue over what 487 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: AI can use to train that intelligence. Part of artificial intelligence, right, 488 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: it has to draw on something. So the New York Times, 489 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: you know, they are the big kid in the publishing 490 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: news world. They're the first major American media organization to 491 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: sue these companies and the creator of chat GBT and 492 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: you know Microsoft. Essentially they're calling all these published materials 493 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: to create essentially a database that AI can draw on 494 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: in answering questions that we then type into chat GPT. 495 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: So there's not a monetary demand that they haven't actually 496 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: assigned a damage amount, but the lawsuit says the defendants 497 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: should be held responsible for quote billions of dollars in 498 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: statutory and actual damages related to the unlawful copying and 499 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: use of The New York Times's uniquely valuable works, and 500 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: listen to this. It calls for these companies, Microsoft and 501 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: open Ai to actually destroy any chatbot models and training 502 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: data that were used in ramping up that technology that 503 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: use copyrighted material from The New York Times. Now they 504 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: also say, hey, we went to Microsoft and open Ai 505 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: and we asked them, like, apart from the court, we 506 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: talked about this intellectual property and these concerns we had, 507 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: and we tried to essentially reserve, apart from the court, 508 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: a way to reach quote, an amicable resolution. That's what 509 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: they said, with technological guard rails. But they say in 510 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: the lawsuit, hey, those talks did not produce that resolution, 511 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: so now we're suing. And again this is all from 512 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: the actual suit. We respect the rights of content creators 513 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: and owners and are committed to working with them to 514 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 2: ensure they benefit from AI technology and new revenue models. 515 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: We're hopeful that we find a mutually beneficial way to 516 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: work together, as we're doing with many other publishers. The Post, 517 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: The Washington Post, they reached a deal for a new 518 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: contract with their union represents a majority of newsroom employees 519 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: that they were eighteen months of negotiations behind that. And again, 520 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: this is a time that's really a troubled time for 521 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: a lot of printed journalism and even digital journalism. So 522 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: you look to these places like The New York Times 523 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: in the Washington Post and the Post is I say 524 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: had they had a problem with they had a labor 525 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: dispute and that they had to get that all worked out. 526 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: And Substack is also in all of this because Substack 527 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: is under pressure from critics who say that that company 528 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: is profiting from newsletters that promote hate speech and racism, 529 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: and they're saying on substack, we're not going to ban 530 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: nazi symbols and extremists rhetoric from that platform. So you 531 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: get a lot of the controversies that are affecting newspapers 532 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: and magazines and the way that so many readers are 533 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: going to the Internet one way or the other, and 534 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: open ai and other AI tech firms than are control 535 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: of a lot of information. And for that reason, the 536 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: New York Times are saying, hey, if you're going to 537 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: use our information and are written words, you need to 538 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: pay us something for it or work out some way 539 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: to essentially set up a wall so you don't use it. 540 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: But obviously now it's already been used. Open ai now valued, 541 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: can you guess? Open ai is valued at more than 542 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: eighty billion dollars and Microsoft has committed thirteen billion, and 543 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: the OPENII platform that's incorporated into the bing search engine, 544 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: which is Microsoft of course. And what you hear from 545 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: The Times, things like this defendancy to free ride on 546 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: the New York Times, massive investment in their journalism, using 547 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: the Times content without payment, to create products that substitute 548 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: for the Times and steal away from it. 549 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 3: Again, they're not wrong, right. 550 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: In essential, when you google something, you don't really pay 551 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: attention to necessarily where it comes from unless you're looking 552 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: for the original source piece. So maybe the original article 553 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: came from New York Times, but if you're putting it 554 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: in jet GPT, you don't know where it came from, 555 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: and sometimes it's not correct. So New York Times they're 556 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: the leader of this parade, but they're not the only 557 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: ones on this parade. Sarah Silverman, the actress, joined a 558 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: pair of lawsuits in July that accused Meta and open 559 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: Ai of having quote ingested her memoir as a training 560 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: text for their AI programs. Novelists are involved in this. 561 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: You have people from Getty Images involved the photography syndicate. 562 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: They sued an AI company because I don't know if 563 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: you tried this, but you can actually have AI generate 564 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: images for you based on prompts, and the way it 565 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: gets those images is to do what to look at 566 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: other visual materials. Some of those visual materials come through 567 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: Getty Images, so they sued. So if you're a copyright attorney, 568 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: this is a really good time for you. Your super 569 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: Bowl has started because the boundaries of copyright law are 570 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: going to get a new scrutiny. I mean, this is 571 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: a time of huge technological change and the highest profile 572 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: will be in this area of copyright law. Who owns 573 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: what and what damage is done as a result of 574 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: stuff being jacked? So it can show up in somebody's 575 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: chat GPT question wild it probably will go to the 576 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, honestly. So, hey, when we come back, Steve 577 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: Gregory's here. It's a grim story that we finished the 578 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: year on, but Steve's on top. I also want to 579 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: mention to Steve. I heard his special the other night 580 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: here on KFI and it was terrific. And then he 581 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: told me something about the special which was I thought bizarre, 582 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: and spoke volumes for the predicament. We're in more on that, 583 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: As I mentioned ed Bigley Junior in the third hour. 584 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: It's the John Coblt Show. Mark Thompson sitting in until 585 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: John gets back next week. 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