WEBVTT - Harry Wayne Casey 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.320 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:18.200 My guest today is very Way Casey. Yes, Casey Casey 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.040 and the Sunshine Day. Casey. Great to have you here. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.360 Thank you. It's been to be here, Bob. So, how 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.680 you've been coping with a coronavirus and stay at home 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:33.040 et cetera. I don't know, it's been. It's been very interesting. Um. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.960 I have been through a lot of different types of emotions. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.960 I've never been this idol in my whole seventy years. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.400 So have you gone through it alone or do you 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.879 have a significant other? What's it been like now? I, uh, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.800 my nights are alone, but um, you know I have 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.360 staff here at the house, so, um, I'm around people 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:02.080 during the day, but you know I have family members 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.000 and friends that stopped in and stuff. But yeah, so 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.039 it's been very interesting. I mean I've been I've been 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.120 going out pretty much. I mean, you know, whatever they 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.360 would allow here in Miami, which has been pretty open. Okay, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:20.720 And have you been vaccinated? Um? Okay, I was vaccinated. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.360 I had COVID that I had the regeneral IVY infusion 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.679 done and then had my second um vaccination. Do you 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.399 have any idea how you got covid Um, I'm not 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.200 really sure because the only thing I could think of 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.360 maybe because I was out with a friend of mine, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:43.760 her and I went while we we were together on 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.640 a Thursday night, and on a Friday night we went 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:51.000 out with two other friends. And then um, seven days later, 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.040 five days later, I detected positive, told her, and then 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:00.920 she got a test and she detected positive. And but 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.800 our friends didn't. They didn't, they were negative. So the 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.160 only thing I can maybe think of is where I 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.960 might have been a little bit lacks of daisical and 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:15.120 not you know, paying attention. Is Valet Valet parking And 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.320 on that Friday night, someone Valet parked my car, so 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.920 I don't know if they could have gotten the cars 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.200 coughed in it or whatever. And the Germans, I don't 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.840 know how long the Germans floyd you know, float around, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.200 if they were on the air conditioning vent, I don't know. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:34.679 I'm not sure. Um, that's the only way I could 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.880 have gotten at that at that point. Really, and how 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.959 long did you get it? Um? Actually I got it 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:47.280 Um two days before my seventieth birthday in January. Okay, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:55.040 So psychologically, what was it like hitting seventy. Um, I 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.120 don't like the number, but you know, hitting all these numbers, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:06.120 doesn't we feel too much different? Then? Um? You mean 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.600 I don't feel any different inside than the year before whatever, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:15.480 or two years before, ten years before. Really? Uh so? Um, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.600 I mean it's it's not you know, it's a seven. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:23.280 It's I'm sure there must be you know, some kind 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.359 of psychological stuff going on in my head, but I haven't. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.000 You know, I don't know if I've recognized that yet. Well, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.200 I know that sixty really fucked me up. And uh, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.160 in terms of numbers, I always felt young until I 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.080 hit sixty seven. I said, I don't care how I feel. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:45.560 That number is old and it's scary. It is scary. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.240 I mean I do think of it now like wow, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.920 I'm seven, you know zero, It's like it is kind 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.800 of crazy because it is an old number. It's not 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.360 like I'm not like twelve. I'm not twenty one, I'm 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.600 not thirty love forty. You know. Well, light turned sixty 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.200 eight month or so ago. And one thing, especially in 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.160 light of COVID is ship. If there's something I want 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.880 to do, I'd better do it because it's not like 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:17.440 I have endless runway here right right? So, Uh during 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.520 the break, did you play music at home? Did you 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.720 write music at home or anything? Um? You know, I've 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.080 been working on a project now for the last eight years, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.760 I think going on nine now, because I started in 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:39.080 two thousand and twelve, and so actually during that time, Uh, 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.960 I was working on a musical and in the book 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.560 for you know, a possible movie and that. You know, 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:48.680 So that's kind of what I was working on a 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.520 little bit during that time. Um, we released a single 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:57.000 put on Love in Your Heart. Uh. So I'm just 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.080 working on different things. You know. We have have a 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.920 new single coming out July called Romantic Cup. It's from 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.480 my album. Um, I'm getting ready to release fifty three 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:11.080 brand new songs. How do you plan to release them 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.920 one month at a time for seven months? And are 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:19.560 they already uh? Fifty three? You mean if there's fifty 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.880 three seven months, we won't get through all fifty three 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.719 if it's one month at a time, No, no, no, no. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.240 We're dividing the seven months into the fifty three songs, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.800 so it'd be like seven individual EPs coming out. And 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:36.359 are you putting them out yourself? Ors are a label involved? Um? No, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.920 there is right now. I mean I have a deal 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:44.880 with UH, a label that's distributed through Sony, and then 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.919 in Europe we have a German label called z y 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.760 X Records. I'm not sure if they're the ones getting 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:56.400 it or whatever, but we're still shopping it. And right 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.520 now that's what I have, you know what we have 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.720 now now, But I don't know that they're going to 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.000 really end up getting it or not. So all fifty 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.800 three songs are done, yes, and why fifty three and 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.000 y seven is just numbers or they thematically sit to 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.880 me because I couldn't stop, because I couldn't stop. And Uh, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.680 this guy that I right with over in the UK 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.880 sometimes was messing around, and you know, he always goes 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.240 online showing how he creates a song or whatever. And 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.880 he came up with this quirky little song two or 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.080 three weeks ago, and I just I love that, said 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.760 send me the track or whatever, and I went in 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.800 and put a vocal on it. It's it's really a 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.440 fun song. So that put it in fifty three. And 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.920 you know, the music business certainly changed since the last century, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.919 so it's very hard to get attention. So to what degree, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.800 what plans do you have to gain attention, and in 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.560 terms of expectations, what expectations have you got? I don't know. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.200 I've been in discussion with my managers and stuff, and 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.520 they're introduced me to me. I guess there's a lot 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.400 of um what they call influencers out there right now, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.400 and you connect with these influencers and uh, they helped 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.600 kind of spread the word um aside for some of 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:20.840 the traditional ways or whatever um uh and doing dance 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.080 versions of the songs and maybe having it, you know, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.560 come from the club, you know, backwards through the clubs 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.480 or whatever. I don't know, you know, it's just it's 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.600 a whole new world. I mean when we when we 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.160 used to really release a record, we would put it 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.920 in few markets. We'd press up a few hundred or whatever, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.320 and make sure there was some records and record stores 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.720 in those markets. And you know, if it started, if 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.520 you started seeing something happened, then you knew to press 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.560 more records and to put it in more markets. UM. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:54.280 I just there's just there's no consistency to anything. I 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:58.640 don't know how anybody's doing it anymore, um other than 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.880 you know, in radio has gotten so like one company 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.080 owns everybody, so if the one guy doesn't like it, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:11.880 nobody plays it, you know, or whatever. You know. I 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.560 guess the amount of money you have to spend to 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:19.400 get it on radio is you know, just astronomically high, Um, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.760 you know to hire up a PR person. Uh So, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.240 it's it's very interesting. I mean, it's just you know, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.280 a lot different than when I was growing up, that's 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.800 for sure. And I'm sure we you know, we'll figure 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.720 it out. I mean, first of all, you know, I 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:38.000 hit record always reveals itself, so um, I mean, we're 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.240 just gonna go through the regular channels and marketing and 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.840 promotion and and some newer channels, like I said, you know, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:49.000 with influencers and and other things that my managers have 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.600 been talking to me about, and you know, we'll see 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.120 what happens. So, at this date, with the business having 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.560 changed and you having gigantic success in your history, what 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.240 keeps you motivated to create new music and stay in 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.880 the business. It wasn't like, you know what what's really 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:14.400 interesting is, I wasn't all of a sudden two thousand 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.160 and twelve. It's like I woke up out of some 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.440 kind of creative coma and I kind of felt like 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.559 I was twenty three again with the creative process that 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.280 things were going through my head and that's what led 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.640 to these fifty two songs. I just couldn't stop. And 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.880 I don't even know how to explain it, um, but 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:40.760 it's almost like some other force or whatever is uh 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:45.960 is driving it. I know, up until that point, I 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.679 was a little bit sort of afraid of you know, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.000 maybe being successful, you know that way again, or having 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:58.480 you know, uh some kind of success with recordings or whatever. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.200 And I used to fight it all the time. And 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.880 then I woke up one morning and said, I'm not 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.480 gonna fight this. I'm just gonna let, you know, let 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.240 the forest take it, or let whatever it is, you know, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.920 take it. And in two thousand twelve, that light came 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.800 on and those doors opened, and here I am, two 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.960 thousand one with fifty three songs. Um that I really 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.520 think it's some of the best stuff I've ever done 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.880 in my career. Um. And you know, I'm very happy 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.960 with them all, very proud of it all. And um, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.000 you know, we'll see where it goes. So let me 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.880 just understand this week. Prior to that, well, you were 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.640 afraid of not reaching the heights artistically and commercially of 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.199 what you've once reached. I was more afraid of success 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.199 than reaching I'm never afraid to reach it. I mean, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.080 I've been in this business so long, and you know 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.320 you're you're always as hot as your last record or whatever. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.360 And you know, you put stuff out there. If it happens, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.400 it happens. If it doesn't, you move when you do 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:06.600 something else. Um, so uh for that. And I still 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.839 have nine number one records that I have or whatever, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.040 and I toured do shows a year, So you know, 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.240 I'm fine with anything I I I you know, whichever 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.200 way the wind's gonna blow, it's gonna blow. Um. You 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:25.680 know my destiny has already been set. Well, when you 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.920 say fear of success, can you tell us a little 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:34.840 bit more of them? Um, especially in this world today 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.480 with the pressed media the way there. I don't know, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.480 I just you know, for me, you know, I had 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.240 these dreams of what I thought success was, and it 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:50.640 definitely was nothing what I thought. It was very political, Um, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:57.479 it was very lonely, lonely. Um, it was very um demanding, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:04.120 sometimes demeaning. Uh, sometimes it was you know, there were 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.280 just a lot of different emotions that came from it. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.280 All and some of it was enjoyable and some of 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.240 it wasn't. Um, and so I was more afraid of 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.040 what wasn't enjoyable than the other part that was enjoyable, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.120 and whether I wanted to put myself back into that 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:29.040 situation again, um and and again. I just one day 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.640 just woke up and said, I'm just gonna let everything 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:39.680 happen and go and see what happens. Uh. You know so, UM, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.200 I mean That's where I'm at right now. Tell me 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.800 more about the loneliness of success. I don't know. It 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.160 was just you know, I'm a very I'm a very 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:55.240 person person. Um, Did I say that right? Message. I'm 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.200 a very people person. So for the most part, I 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.679 do like to like be around a one everyone's having 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.360 a good time and then kind of just go step 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.000 aside for a minute. I like my alone time too, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.839 But I'm a very people person. I love to be 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.680 around people. And so the height of my career, whatever 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.000 her I was, I couldn't go anywhere, I couldn't do 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.520 anything because I would just be mugged or you know, thousands. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.040 I mean in my hotels will be five six thousand 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.160 people outside the hotel. You know, I you know, we'd 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.240 have guards on the elevators and on the exits and 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:29.160 every entrance, and um, you know, it's it was like 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.280 I was always on the outside inside looking out and 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.760 you know, from my hotel room looking down on all 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.440 these people and like, wow, I just really like to 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.120 be in the middle of that or be down there 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:45.640 with everybody, knowing that that really wasn't a possibility. And 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:50.520 for many reasons, uh and and and and just the 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:56.000 whole thing you know, of success, you're very isolated. You 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.120 have all these people around you, but you know you're 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.920 you're doing all these other things that you have you 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.520 kind of have to do, um, not all of them 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.160 that you want to do, but you have to kind 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.359 of do them because it's all part of the process. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:15.640 And so everybody else is like having a good time 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.800 and going out and doing all this and you know, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.360 I'm sitting in the room by myself or I'm sitting 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.760 there having to do fifty interviews or whatever it is, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.320 you know, um and and and it's it's it's not 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.360 like it's an eight hour job. It's like a twenty 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.440 four hour job. And then you know, on top of it, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:37.000 having to you know as uh not only having to 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.560 come up with the next project for Casey the Sunshine Band, 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.240 but other artists that I was producing and writing for 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.360 at the time was a George McCray or Jimmy ball 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.240 Horn or or different you know, other artists and stuff. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.960 So I had a lot of obligations to do stuff, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:55.000 which kept me kind of you know in this space. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.800 You know, uh uh you know, you know, twenty four 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.200 hour or seven days every day. I mean I didn't 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.720 really go on vacations. I didn't do anything. I just 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:10.680 um just worked on music. So what did you think 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:16.480 success would look like? And what did it actually look like? Think? 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.680 What everybody? You know, we always have this running joke 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.400 when does the glamour begin? You know, I think everybody 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.640 thinks it's glamorous. I think, I mean there's a glamorous 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.160 part to it and everything, but uh, you know it's 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.320 it's it's not everything. You know, you only see the 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.080 book cover. The book covers always look great. So you 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.240 read the book or you're inside the pages yourself, you know, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:46.880 then it's a whole different story. So, um, yeah, I 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.480 don't I don't know what I expect. I mean, it's 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.960 not like I wasn't I was ignorant to what to 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.200 expect because number one, I was in a record company 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.840 for five years before my success with other artists who 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.000 were successful. I was managing, you know, uh, a couple 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.200 of the artists and doing their bookings, and I was 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.040 doing a lot of different things. I just wanted I 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.800 wanted to know the business. Uh. You know, my family 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.560 has been an entertainment business, more on the gospel end 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.400 of it or whatever and stuff. So I've always kind 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.680 of been around that level of success, whatever it is, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.800 and you know, knowing the ups and downs of it 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.560 and that sort of thing. So but I don't think 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.000 I ever paid much attention to it because I was 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.280 just I was around it a part of it, and 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.160 I was happy being in the back drop. You know. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.360 I wasn't the one, you know what I mean. So 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:37.480 you know, after I was done with them, I could 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.480 go hang out with my friends and do stuff and 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.920 you know, and and and be anywhere I wanted to 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.400 be without you know, someone there goes Casey and then 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:53.240 you know, a mob scene happened, you know, so you know, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:17:00.640 just those those parts of it. Um uh. I mean, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.120 I don't know where else to go with this, but okay, well, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.879 let's talk about some of the perks. A lot of 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:09.440 people they want to be successful for the sex, the money, 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.120 the access e Did you have that be? Did you 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:18.960 partake of it? See? Was it fulfilling? Wow? You Bob, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.200 you really dig deep, don't you? Otherwise we're just gonna 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.159 repeat where you said, like for forty years. But you 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.080 know what, because it's very simplistic, I'm not that. I'm 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.160 not a kind of person. I didn't really do this 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.600 for money. Number one. I didn't because it's something I like. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.760 It's something I felt like I was born to do 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.840 and always had this inner feeling that this is what 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.359 I was gonna do. You know, I definitely didn't do 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:51.440 it for sex. Um you know, sex comes no matter 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.320 what profession you're in. Really, I guess maybe more if 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.560 you're an I guess it could be more of you're 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:02.160 an entertainer or whatever. But um my, my look at 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:06.560 the whole thing was always on a professional level. Um, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.359 I did a lot of things because I knew I 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.720 had to do a show the next day. I didn't 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.159 do a lot of things. I mean I didn't do 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.000 a lot of things because I knew I had to 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.400 do a show the next day, and I had an 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:23.919 obligation to to the people that had worked hard for 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.240 their money or whatever to come and see us. And 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:32.199 you know, they expected as certain you know person on 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.800 that stage, and I I had, you know a lot 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.119 of things I just had to put aside. You know, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.359 this was this was not this was an obligation. It 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.879 wasn't like a job. You know, I felt obligated to 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.639 to to be what everyone expected when they came to 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.480 see a show. But talking about the exterior other than 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.840 actually performing, the nature of being famous and famous for 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.440 your own work, a lot of doors are open to 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.320 a lot of situations you get put in where you 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.080 might pinch yourself and say, I can't believe I'm here, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:10.040 whether it's meeting famous people or was that part of 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.800 the success? Those were those were great parts, um, you know, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.320 getting to meet people. I mean, you know, Dina Ross 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.080 was a very big influence. I mean, the whole Motown thing. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.919 So getting to meet all those Motown people and stuff 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.960 like that, and you know, just everybody from you know, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.840 entertainers to musicians to actors and actresses that I've grown 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.800 up you know, watching on TV all my life. Begetting 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.280 to actually shake hands with them, talk with them and 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.119 chat with them, and some of them even have relationships 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.359 with some of them. Um, that was all like, that 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.280 was surreal. That was just those those are definitely pensioned 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.080 me moments. Um. I lost the rest, you know the 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.080 other part of the question. Um, I think you answered it. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.000 That's pretty good. Let's go back to managers. You talk 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.120 about your managers, telling you what has been your experience 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.480 with managers to your career. A lot of the acts 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:07.240 you know are not positive with their management history. Well, 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:13.840 I managed myself up until nineteen and then I signed 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:18.920 with a management company in l A. Cat's Gallinamore, who 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.400 were the number one artists representatives in the country. They 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:28.520 had the Dolly Pardon, they had shared they had Aba Godboard, 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:40.240 Jaja Gobard, Kate Smith, mac Davis, um Um America, UM Olivia, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:45.240 John Lily Tomlin. I mean they just had They were 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:53.120 a major, major, major, major uh uh artists representatives and 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:59.080 so UM, I'm not sure how all that really went 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:01.879 because it was the first time kind of letting go 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.919 and everything, and um, there were some things I probably 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.080 wasn't happy with, but you know a lot of things 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:14.120 that I was uh because it released me from from 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.280 having to deal with it, you know, the way I 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.280 had I was up until that point. Uh, it just 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.240 it just left more room for creative processes and and 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.440 just gave me a little bit more of life back, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.879 you know, other than just being seven booking myself, you know, 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.040 making making, I mean, just doing everything myself pretty much. 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.679 But you had an agent, right, Uh? Yeah, I had 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:43.000 a great agent, Gary. His name was Gary, Gary Weinberg. 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:45.520 He was at I see him. He was. He was 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.320 the most amazing agent I've ever had in my career, 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.920 so great. You know, we just had a great relationship. 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.880 And he always made sure that you know, I knew 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.720 about everything going on or whatever. And if I liked 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.840 an idea, whatever, he made sure I was on it 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.439 or was doing it. Um. He was more of my 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:09.919 manager than than my managers really. Uh uh. You know. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.800 It's it's when you have a really great agent that 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.879 that's on top of everything all the time. You know, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:21.760 not very much can go wrong. Okay, Now you were 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.879 having success when you were still self managed. I'm sure 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.200 you know managers came to you. In addition, most acts 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.840 didn't have the manager to do consciously say hey, I 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:40.359 want to maintain control. Um. You know that didn't happen 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.320 too much that I that I recall, because number one, 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.560 I didn't allow myself to be in those situations. And 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.080 I think part of that was because I was in 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.520 Miami and other than going out to do some TV 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.560 shows or whatever and not doing those people could get 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.359 to me or got to me. Um, you know, because 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.040 of my own staff or the way I moved in 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.280 and out of a place, you know, a situation, a 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.920 TV show or whatever I was doing. Um, I don't 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:09.600 think I was that accessible. Um. And um again, being 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.760 in Miami and not in l A or New York, 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:17.480 where I could probably be, you know, more in situations, 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.760 going to more parties and stuff where these you know, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.880 different people could show up and approach me. Um. I 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.480 was never in that type of situation, I think. Um. 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:32.880 I can't remember how the cat's gallon thing happened. Um uh, yeah, 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:38.359 it might have been when I changed to from I 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:40.800 See Him to William Morris maybe and they said, you know, 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.560 we have a management coming would be interested in you. 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.679 I can't remember what happened. Do you remember why you 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:53.159 switched from my c M to William Morris? Um? I 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.560 See Him was going through some changes at that time. 0:23:55.600 --> 0:24:00.840 I mean Gary passed. Gary, I think it passed away. Um. 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:07.080 I think one of the agents, um, Jim Ramos, who 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:14.000 was one of my agents. They're also, uh, you know, 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:18.720 trying to remember all this stuff because it's been so long. Um, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.760 but your main guy died, is really the king? Well 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.000 that that there was just a big shake up in 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.280 I C M or whatever, and I, you know, sometimes 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:30.400 it's time to change and try new things. Let's talk 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:36.080 about Florida. Florida was kind of sleepy in your heyday. Ultimately, 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:40.080 there were recordings at Criteria. Miami became a thing somewhat 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.959 in the mid seventies. But even though people from the 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.280 Northeast were moving to Florida and vacation of Florida forever, 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.440 suddenly starting in the eighties and nineties, Miami becomes hip. 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:55.760 Everybody moves to Florida. Many people say Florida's the new California, 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.920 well at least in terms of crazy stuff going on. 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.800 And now Californias switched from left to right. You have 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:08.480 this Governor de Santis who's having all these res all 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.160 these laws in the name of freedom. What's your viewpoint 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.200 on what you're going on there in Florida. Since you've 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:19.880 not getting in anything political, well let me ask you, 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.560 what is your viewpoint of what's going on? I mean, 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:27.840 just state, since you're on the ground, not nothing, nothing political. Okay, 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.000 We're not going to mention any political and I'm not 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:33.000 gonna push you whatever. I'm not going to. But just 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.359 just I don't talk about that stuff, Okay, I'm just 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:39.720 I'm just interested. Why do you not choose not to 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.520 talk about that stuff? I don't think it's the thing 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:47.240 people should be talking about. I don't know. I mean 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.320 just because I talked to a lot of people. Are 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.840 you fearful that a potential fan might not agree with you? No, 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.000 I'm not. I'm not fearful. I just don't want to 0:25:56.040 --> 0:26:00.240 talk about it, Okay, you know, I just I don't 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.000 talk about it. You talk about it with your friends, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.600 not really? Do you keep up on the news? Um? 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:14.119 I do doom? Are you optimistic for do you? Do 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.960 you have any children? No? I don't, but I have 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:21.800 I have some wonderful nephews and nieces and great nephews 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.800 and nieces. So you optimistic for the future or you know, 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.119 because well you and me only have a limited number 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.640 of time, amount of time left. I don't know. I've 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.600 been here seventy years and I don't think anybody's ever 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:39.800 done anything, correct, So, uh, you know I'm down in 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.320 the middle. Okay, So let's go back to this creative 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.760 jack you've been on with the fifty three songs. What 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:55.880 inspires you to write a song? Um? Well, I mean 0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:00.240 I I started writing mostly you know, as a young 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:04.520 young man, um because back then you really couldn't talk 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.920 to your parents about things the way kids can talk 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.280 to their parents now and stuff. That everything was always 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.840 supposed to be hush hush, And so I would always 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:17.359 write my feelings, whether it was um, something going on 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:24.560 in the world, you know, or or um or how 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.320 I was feeling or how I you know, I was 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:31.960 feeling rejected by a person, or you know that I 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:35.520 had feelings for or situations that I had been in, 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.520 you know, with another person. So a lot of it, 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.879 a lot of it comes from just personal experience, a 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:48.879 personal observation, and wishful thinking. Okay, Now, in this jag 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.600 in the last ten years, do you say, Okay, it's noon, 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.199 I have to go to the studio or you're brushing 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.119 your teeth, are showering and you have a great idea 0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.240 and you gotta run to the keyboard. No, I have 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.399 an iPhone now, so I just pushed record. Um, I 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.560 write it down in my notes on my iPhone. Uh. 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.320 And then if it's if it's an idea of a 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:17.200 melody or something, I will uh um, I will uh 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.600 go to my iPhone and uh recorded on the record 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.040 thing on the iPhone. Let me just put it in 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.840 a different way. Some of the greatest records of all time, 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.800 we're at least talk about satisfaction by the Stones. You know, 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.119 Keith Richards had the idea of the middle of the 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:37.320 night leaned over and estrelco saying the riff you have that, 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:41.200 whereas today you might have literally twenty writers on a 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.600 song where they build the track from you know, the 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:49.080 bottom up. So are you more of Let I have 0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:53.240 the inspiration and let me expand that. Or okay, let 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:58.560 me sharpen my pencils, let's see what I come up with. Okay, 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:05.720 so my album or the way I mean before, I 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.680 would always go into this hand, my own studio. I 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.760 would go into the studio and pretty much put together 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.640 the song all right then and there. Um. Some of 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.400 the ideas, and some of the things from this new 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.280 album were created. Like I'd be on I'd be at 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.440 a sound check or whatever, waiting for the band to 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.400 get it whether and I'd be messed around the keyboard, 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.280 come up with a little idea or whatever and kind 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.440 of put that down on you know, run my phone 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.880 or whatever, and then go to the studio. When I 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.320 was doing these projects and recorded with the band, other 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:42.160 situations that presented themselves recently were, uh, people that I'm 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:47.280 collaborating with send me a fully recorded track, at which 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.800 point I write the melody and lyrics to that track, 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:59.200 and um, maybe add some production to that track. Um 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:03.800 so m hm. That's a newer way that I've been 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:08.880 doing things involving other people. Uh, it's not the way 0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.640 I always did it or or the way I you know, 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.280 I I can go into a studio and come up 0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.920 with a track like that. I mean, it's just doesn't 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.320 take give me a beat and I can give you 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.200 a song. Is that because just you've done it so 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.640 much you just have that skill. I just I just 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:33.960 have that natural ability, you know. That's it might be 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:37.800 part of I mean, it's just it's just something that's 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:41.240 inside of me. It's it's just this thing that I've 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.680 never been able to really understand or explain to me. 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:52.120 It's mystical, it's magical. Um, it's you know, it's uh, 0:30:52.560 --> 0:31:02.440 it's there, It's just there. Okay, you grew up in Hialeah. 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.719 I think High Alie is where the dog track was 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.560 or something was where the race track was. Okay, with 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:15.360 the racetrack, what was what was Highlia? Like, Well, you 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.360 have to realize I grew up in Miami, So Miami 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.640 is very transient in a way. I mean it's a 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:30.240 tourist you know, our our our what do you call it? Um, 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.080 I can't think of it. What it's it's it's for 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.920 my tongue. Um. You know we depend on tourism. That's 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:43.560 our main What am I trying to say our main economy? Well, yeah, 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.800 but uh, you know some people are known for steel, 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.520 you know, they manufactured steel. We don't have like you 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:55.240 kind of manufacturing places that I know of or whatever. Uh. 0:31:56.040 --> 0:32:00.920 Our our our economy, you know, is based on tourism. 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:06.800 I guess I could say that. So with that said, Um, 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.560 like in the neighborhood I grew up when I don't 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:13.760 think there's one person from the same state or city. UM, 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:20.160 And most of the time the northern folks would come 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:25.240 down and um at the beginning of winter, which would 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.760 be November, and stay until you know, springtime and then 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.720 go back up north. And you you can always can 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.800 still tell the difference when it's summer and and summer 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:40.680 and summer and fall and winter and spring in Miami, 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:46.000 in Florida, South Florida because of the traffic, there's always 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:51.360 less traffic during the winter during the summer. So you 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:55.960 grew up right in Miami, So I was I. My 0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:00.440 grandfather had some shops and stuff in Miami. My mother 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:04.080 was born in Miami, Florida. UM. I was born in 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.120 the town called Opalaka because at the time we were 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.000 living in Miami, but at the time I was born, 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:16.360 um Opalaka was basically a army base or naval base 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.360 or something army base, I think, And I'm not sure 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.880 why I was born in that hospital, but that's where 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.520 I was born. And then when we were seven years old, 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.920 we moved into an area called Palm Springs, which was 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.040 still Dade County, was still Miami, but it was surrounded 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.400 by Hialeah, and they gave us a highly zip code 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.720 even though highly A police couldn't come in there or whatever. 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.760 And I had to go to a High LA school 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.440 because that was the closest school. There weren't any schools 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.000 in this Dade County, this little small little area called 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:51.360 Palm Springs that there was really Miami Dade County. It 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:55.560 wasn't Highalia. Uh, you know, we didn't. We didn't. We've 0:33:55.640 --> 0:34:00.000 paid Dade County taxes, not highly AT taxes or whatever whatever. 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.640 It is really two separate places, although we had a 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.200 highly A zip code. So basically I grew up in 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.360 the middle of High Aliyah okay, outskirts of it, the 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.600 middle of its where you grew up. How far were 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.600 you from the beach and was there a beach culture? Well, 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.960 I mean, I'm I'm fifteen twenty minutes from the beach. 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.440 You know, maybe depending on traffic now, but the beaches 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:28.160 due east of me, um yours, So you're still where 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:36.520 you grew up. Yes, I haven't left, and you know, uh, 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:41.600 is there a reason for them? Well other than my 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.080 family being here and everything. I mean, my parents are 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.799 buried within ten minutes from my house, and that's where 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.319 I'll be buried. Um, you know, there's just I just 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.520 had this connection here all my life. Still in the 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:56.640 same house that I purchased in nineteen seventy. Um, and 0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:01.840 it's not no like big ten thousands Griffin mansion, you know. 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.239 So it's like, um, I'm content in this area. It's 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.440 not on the beach, it's inland. It's away from all 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:15.160 the craziness and and and everything, and um, I can 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.440 be any where I want within fifteen I'm kind of central. 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:22.680 I'm I'm dou south of north of Miami International Airport 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:26.000 and kind of southwest of Fort Lauderdale Airports. I'm kind 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:27.600 of in the middle of both of them, twenty minutes 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.879 from either one of them. So I'm in a very 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.920 convenient spot for getting around and doing whatever I want 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:39.000 to do and being away from you know, the whole 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:43.600 South Beach scene and you know whatever other you know. 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.840 I mean, downtown is growing now there's all these you 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.960 know with windwood and brick hole and you know downtown. 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.520 The rend of the revitalization of downtown Miami. The Miami 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.080 is starting to look like New York. I means, so 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.319 many skyscrapers going up. It's crazy. And to what degree 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.680 to people talking about climate change in the water. I 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.239 just saw the people of other day. They're talking about 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.520 building a sea wall. That's something people talk about there. 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.960 I don't know. You know, it's industy. You brought it 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.720 up because a friend of mine and we're talking about 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.080 it last night for some reason. I don't know why 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.440 he brought it up. It got brought up. And you know, 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.280 I don't know where I believe in all of that stuff. 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:30.200 I mean, number one, Florida uh has always been underwater. 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.600 Um where I live and most people live here, uh, 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.680 sand and things were brought into building up six ft 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.800 above the sea level. The Everglades is below sea level 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.600 so pretty much. And that's not too far from where 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.480 I live and too far from what all of minew 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.440 was pretty much. You know, the Everglades are underwater at 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.319 one point. So I guess if it goes back to that, 0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.239 then it's the circle of life, isn't it. Do you 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:06.720 used to watch that Everglade show grown up? Um? Maybe 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.560 on occasion. Did you ever go out in here? But 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.279 I used to watch that religiously. Do you ever go 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:12.719 out in the airboat? I mean that was like a 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:18.839 big thing on. Yeah, it's not like it's fun, it's exhilarating. 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.359 I mean, you know, it's you know, you're selling through 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:28.000 these uh figuring out the grasses. Um, you know, it's 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:31.040 it's it's exhilarating. It's it's a lot of fun. They're 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.400 very fast. Okay, So what kind of kid are you 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:41.880 growing up? Um, I'm like spanking and our gang and 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.759 stuff from the little Rascals pretty much. I was doing 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:50.960 all of that stuff, building things. Um, we would have 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:56.319 shows and parades and um, you know I built my 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:03.680 had you know, wouldn't you know race cars and uh, 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.959 I build rides in my backyard. I mean I I did, 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.799 you know, I did everything. I loved everything. I mean, uh, 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.320 you know, would put up a garden. I mean I 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.600 just I I really, you know, I and I grew 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.000 up in a great neighborhood with a lot of kids, 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:24.840 and we had we had baseball in the middle of 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:29.240 the street and football and box ball and every season 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.400 was you know, that's what we would do. And um, 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.560 you know we were just very close. You know, families 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.880 were close then and kids were in you know, we 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:44.359 were outside except to eaton and go to bed. Yeah, 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.279 and how many kids in your family? I just had 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:51.200 one sister, younger sister. Okay, and your parents did what 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:56.560 for a living? Um? My mother originally didn't work and 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.480 my father. Um, my father owned the furniture store when 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.840 he first in the Miami and then he was ahead 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:07.520 of of a feed company, security feed company, and then 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.120 he retired from all that and became a postman. Actually 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:15.279 he um, um, that's what he wanted to do. He 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.439 just he was you know, he wasn't that for long, 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.640 but he just he wanted to be that. He just 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:24.040 wanted to kind of, he said, as being a being 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.920 a postman, he didn't have nobody standing over him telling 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.479 you know, or anything like that. You know, they wanted 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:35.600 him to be a supervisor. At one point he refused it, 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.680 I don't know how many times. And we your parents 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.440 supportive of your dreams. What kind of relationship did you 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:45.240 have with them? My father was a very My father 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:49.680 raised my sister and I had to be very independent. Um. 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:55.360 He never um, I don't ever remember him commenting on anything. 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.719 The only thing he ever was concerned about me was 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.920 who I was hanging around with, and and and that 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:08.040 sort of thing. Um. He never did. Uh. My father 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.480 is just a regular average guy. Um. He didn't want 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.680 for anything he didn't material things were not important to 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.919 him at all. Um. I don't think he ever bought 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.440 The only radio he ever bought his entire life was 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.200 from my mother or maybe one maybe one for me 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.239 for Christmas. But he I don't think he ever owned 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:31.400 his own radio in his entire life, or a record 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.719 player or anything like that. Um. He definitely wasn't musically inclined, 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.840 although he although many of his fan member family members 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:46.680 were My mother, on the other hand, um uh, she 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.880 was quite a She loved to dance, she loved you know, 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.120 her and her sisters actually did radio commercials when they 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:57.319 were younger. Um. And my mother, you know, was kind 0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.319 of hanging out with people like Aretha Franklin and the 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.560 Salmon Dave and Ray Charles and whoever would come into Miami. 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.600 She'd be at those clubs, hanging out with them and stuff. 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.440 And my mother at one point, you know, told me, 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:11.360 why don't I get a job and make something to myself. 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.640 I think, because you know, she hung around that crowd 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:19.560 or whatever. UM was probably fearful of what I would 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.919 get into and and and you know that sort of thing. 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:28.160 So um. Although they you know, my my parents were 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:30.560 divorced so it wasn't like I was living my father, 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.239 So my mother went't around it up to you know, 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.799 to say anything. Um, but I generally think that you know, 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.160 I was allowed to do and be whatever I wanted 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:42.680 to be in It didn't matter. I was going to 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:45.799 be what I wanted to be. Anyway, What age were 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:49.359 you and your parents divorced? Ten and you ended up 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.600 living with your father's Your sister lived with the father too, correct, 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:57.200 and that's unusual at that time. My mother didn't show 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:02.360 up the court. I understand. Wow, So you're playing in 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.160 the street, etcetera. Um, were you just remember the group 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:14.239 or were you a leader where growing up? Um? I 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.480 would say, I'm somewhat of a leader. I mean I'm 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:21.879 not much of a follower. Um, although I mean, you know, um, 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.279 I will go along with something. You know, I'm I'm 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:28.040 gonna quarius. I'm kind of a chameleon. I kind of 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:31.239 fit into any situation that can make myself into any situation. 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.839 I'm not, you know, not one that has to be 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.480 the leader or whatever. I like a little consistency and 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:47.759 you know, direction, but um uh yeah, I mean I'm 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.600 just to like go with the flow kind of person 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.560 as long as the flow is not dangerous. Okay, So 0:42:54.840 --> 0:43:01.000 when do you start playing music? All my life be much? Um? 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:07.360 Because interesting enough, in elementary school or whatever I was playing, 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.280 I started playing a clarinet. I mean, I'm not seven 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.839 sure why I picked that instrument. Um. We didn't have 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.120 a piano in the house that I remembered till my 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:20.480 sister I wanted to take piano lessons. Uh, and all 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.680 of a sudden we had a piano, even though everyone 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.160 knew I wanted to play the piano. I mean I 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.280 go to my aunt's homes and we all had pianos, 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.719 and they wouldn't even let me near the piano because 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.040 I guess they said I was banging on it or whatever. 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.440 And Um, I remember growing up in my grandmother I 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.520 always loved the organ and the keep. But my couch 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.360 I had a cousin that was just one of the 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:45.319 most amazing piano players you've ever you've ever listened to. 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:49.000 There was nothing he couldn't play, and all by ere 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.440 he was never trained. So um, I always loved the keep. 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.280 I remember being in my grandmother's backyard and just taking 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.080 a piece of board or whatever and pretending it was 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:00.800 a key or to go. Do you know making this 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.360 sounds like it was an oregon and moving my fingers 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.600 across the piece of wood. Um, so, I guess I've 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.160 been playing a long time. It was a piece of 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:14.520 wood without anything on it. They take clarinet in school. 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.839 Do you ever take piano lessons? Um? I did take 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.279 some piano lessons until the teacher said I knew more 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.920 than her. And I'm not sure if that was because 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:28.000 I just I didn't. I never, you know, I played piano, 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.640 and I have some regrets that I don't. You know, 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:36.280 I'm not like n I mean it's very interesting because 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:41.279 I mean I'm a very simplistic player or whatever. But 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:47.680 the most educated of Berkeley train pianos can't even duplicate 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:53.200 what I play. So I I am too. At a 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:57.160 certain part of my life, I certainly wasn't one to 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.600 said gonna go dun dun dune, Dune, Dun Dune Dune. 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.600 I mean, I just didn't have that in me. I 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.440 just had more energy and wanted I'd rather be outside 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.520 with my friends and and everything then going, you know, 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.640 dune Dune done. Although I did enough to you know, 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:17.120 to learn to you know, to make my my teacher happy. Um, 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:23.520 but I was always worried about Um. I like, like 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:27.799 when I went to college and I took music classes, Um, 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.600 I never would have probably been able to be a 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.719 concert pianist or have a degree in music because I 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:38.319 didn't want to. Uh. I was worried about if I 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:42.360 took these classes it would change the natural ability that 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:47.640 I had. Then it would uh uh just made me 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.279 like the rest of I guess I was a little 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.360 bit of anti establishments. It would make me like like 0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:55.480 the rest of the machine. And I didn't never want 0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:59.040 to be part of the machine. So it makes sense. Yeah, 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:05.359 absolutely so. And you read music as far I mean, 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.439 like if I sat down, Yeah, I mean I could. Yeah, 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.120 I mean I can read it. I don't know how. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.440 I mean, years ago, I probably read and played it 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.760 faster than I probably could now. But I could definitely 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.359 sit down, and I know what G is A. I mean, 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:20.719 I know what they are, and I could play them 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:24.080 on the I definitely can play them. Yeah. And uh, 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:29.399 did you finish college? Uh No, because I I two 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:33.240 years into my college, I had the number one record 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.960 in the in the world. Oh that's certainly definitive. But 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:43.200 going back a chapter Um, in the Beatles came. Was 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.759 that a big transitional moment? At what point did you 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:51.759 decide you wanted to make music your career. Well, evidently 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:57.759 my decision was made in elementary school. Um, there's not 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.480 a time. I can't remember that. We just have to 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.520 devout these three by five cards every year for some reason, 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:05.480 you know, you had to fill it out with your name. 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.319 They would have had occupation and then I always put 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.880 an entertainer. Um. I can't remember ever putting anything else 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:19.640 uh in that in that spot, but entertainer. Um. And 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.279 so I've known all my life this is what I 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:24.560 was going to do, and this is what I was 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:28.680 meant to be. Were you affected by the whole music 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.960 explosion in the sixties in terms of the Beatles, British 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.520 invasion and then you know San Francisco and the English 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.680 blues groups? Or was that not your thing? Okay, well 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:41.920 number one, it wasn't really my thing. I was very 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.080 My mother loved R and B music, So I grew 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:48.160 up listening to Nancy Wilson, the Flamingos, Ray Charles, you know, 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.839 all this great R and B music. Um. And so 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:56.280 by the time I was twelve or thirteen, there's songs 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.439 like the Locomotion were a little Eva, and the whole 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:02.000 motown thing was kind of starting. Um, almost at the 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.279 same time that the Beatles thing was happening in a way. Um, 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.880 I was not a big Beatles fan. I like some 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:09.960 of this stuff. It was, you know, maybe some of 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.280 the earlier stuff. I kind of liked it. I've always 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.920 liked I've always liked all kinds of music, although I 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:20.000 gravitated more towards R and B or anything that was rhythmic. 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.160 So even it was a pop record that was rhythmic enough, 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.080 that sounded R and B enough or fit that kind 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:31.680 of feel, um, I would gravitate towards it. Okay, so 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.759 you're in college. How do you end up getting into 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:41.640 the music business? Okay? So I started working at a 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:49.760 record store and on Mondays and Thursdays we would place 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.759 the order. Well, first of all, like I was, I'm 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:59.799 a I was a avid record collector. I mean and 0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:03.759 and and I spent every time I had, you know, 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.440 buying records. And then I you know, back then, you 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.360 can look on there and you can see who wrote it, 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:12.680 who produced it. Uh, there was usually an address on 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.719 the bottom, whether it's said Detroit, Michigan for the Motown 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.040 or Atlantic Records New York, New York or whatever. For 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.400 most for the most part, you know, the label would 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.400 have you know where they were from. I don't know 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.160 if all the music was produced there, I mean then 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.480 then you knew that, you know some stories recording the 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:32.520 muscle shows or Memphis or whatever. But for the most part, 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.120 every label had an address on the bottom of it. 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:39.200 So working in the record store, so like on Mondays 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.680 and Thursdays, we had to place these orders and we 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.000 have to go to the distributor on Tuesday and Friday 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.640 and pick the order up the local distributor. One of 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:50.040 the local distributors was a distributor called Tone Distributors and 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:55.600 maybe the largest independent record distributor in the southeast of 0:49:55.600 --> 0:50:01.680 the United States. They they distributed UM Independent Distributor for 0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:06.800 Warner Brothers, for Atlantic, for MGM, for a Motown, for Stacks, 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.600 um everybody. But at one point they even had Columbia 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:15.440 Records in Epic. But so they had everybody for Columbian Epic, 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:22.080 R C A and UH A and m came along 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:26.239 A and m UH, but they had everybody else. They 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:30.920 had Dunhill, they had UH all these major labels anyway, 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:35.879 they distribute all of them. So on. So going back 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:40.600 to meet, always paying attention to what's on the records. Uh, 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.680 there was a record that came out in nineteen seventy. 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:48.520 I think I was already there then. Anyway, I noticed 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:51.680 that there was a label like a lot of different 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:55.160 records were coming out because we'd always get sent the 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.080 newest R and B records and you know, whatever is 0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.120 going on the chart. And I noticed this address four 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:05.120 Southeast tenth Court, and that's where I used to pick 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:10.000 up the records at four Southeast tenth Court, which is 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:16.919 Tone Distributors. And I eventually learned that an artist who 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.400 I kind of grew up listening to it, he was 0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.279 also the host of a TV show called Where the 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:26.880 Action is named Steve Alamo was there, uh, you know 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:30.520 and everything, and that they had a recording studio on 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.480 the back and that's where these records, it's at Southeast 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:40.400 tenth Chord were being recorded. So I am um I 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:47.759 remember once I learned that, Um, I learned some other 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:51.800 things that there's a writer in Clarence read there or whatever. Uh, 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.960 and I wanted to have a meeting with him and 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.240 eventually quit my job at the record store and asked 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.840 Henry if he Henry was the owner of the Tone distributing. 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:03.840 I got to know him by because he would always 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.600 be in the warehouse, you know, when I pick up records, 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.480 and asked him if he had a job there. He 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:11.560 said he didn't. So I got a job at his competitor, 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.439 and every day after work I would go hang out 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:20.680 at Tone Distributors in the back or whatever, um and 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:23.440 waiting for this guy Clearence read. I guess the joke 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.640 was always on me, because I guess he'd always told 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:30.000 a lot of people he'd meet him and never show up. Meanwhile, 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.920 while I'm sitting there, I just started doing odds and 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.200 then things. You know, if the trash and trash would 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:38.120 be overflowing and nobody would be emptying it, I try 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.840 started emptying it. The phone ringing back then there's no 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:46.680 one answering the phone. So I'd started answering the phone. Um. Eventually, UM, 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.440 Walner brothers in Atlantic, we're gonna have all their records. Uh, 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:54.359 They're gonna start their own distribution company and pulling all 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.560 the records out of all the independent modern pop places. 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.440 And so I started boxing up all those records and 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.560 have the number and label every one of them to 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.640 ship back to one to Atlantic Records to Warner Brothers. Uh. 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.880 And so just from all that, just hanging out at 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:14.080 the studio whatever, and sometimes doing a background session, eventually 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:17.040 doing some co writing and playing on some stuff, and 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:22.200 just kind of hanging out there, you know, uh until 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:25.680 you know, the place we closed and finding Henry gave 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:27.960 me a key to the door so I could kind 0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:31.720 of come and go, and you know, just just slowly 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:36.480 learning everything I could their promotion, you know, eventually starting 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:40.399 my own old section in his warehouse, you know, because 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.400 there's all these boxes and boxes of old records up 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.000 in the attic and stuff, which I was like, can 0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:48.080 have it, because he said I could have anything I wanted. 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.880 It's like, holy God, I just died with the heaven, 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:55.759 you know. And so you know, just hanging out and 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.759 you know, being in the right place, not stepping on 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.359 anybody's toes or anything, and just finding my own way 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:06.480 and creating the little management company thing or whatever and 0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:09.080 just helping out, you know, just to be a part 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.640 of it. I wasn't there to take over anybody's position 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:16.040 in particular, whatever I was just there too to be 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.759 anything and everything anybody needed, you know, uh at any 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:24.600 one time. So eventually, you know, I worked my way 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:27.120 into the studio. Okay. A couple of questions. At what 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:30.200 point did you stop working for the competitor and start 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:38.839 working for Tone? I don't remember when that was. Um um, 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:41.920 I really were not really important. Do you still have 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.799 all those records you collected back in the sixties and seventies, Yes, 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.840 every one of them. How many how many records have 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:52.760 you got? I probably have over a fifteen or twenty 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:59.640 thousand records albums And do you play them? No, they're 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:04.320 they're they're all in storage. Okay, my warehouse, I have allline, 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:08.120 same deal. Okay. So I did have them all here 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:09.560 and they were just sitting there and I just said, 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:13.240 you know, let me just box them all up and okay. 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:17.640 So to what degree do you learn the studio itself, 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:24.080 becoming an engineer, etcetera. Wow, Well, during the whole process, 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:28.000 I mean, so there were other artists there and other 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:32.000 people that nobody was paying attention to. So, you know, 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:35.120 those nights or whatever, I would go in and you know, 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.320 get some some some of the people that were student 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.000 musicians there to come in, and you know, I'd mess 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:44.440 around and messing around on the board and do my 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.040 own recordings because you know, it wouldn't look like anybody 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:52.480 was going to like, hey, here you do it, so again, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:55.399 just trying to learn everything. I eventually, you know, got 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.360 up to the to the board, had somebody show me 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:01.880 enough to you know, where I kind of knew what 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.600 I was doing or what my ears were hearing and 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:09.760 that sort of thing, and uh you know that's uh 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.960 so just kind of writing these little songs for these 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:16.520 other artists that everybody was playing no attention to. Okay, 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:18.400 were you writing him at home or writing him in 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:23.080 the studio? Well, it happened in different places a lot 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.520 of times. You know, I come up with the idea 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.560 at home or whatever, and then go to the studio. 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:30.160 I mean, it wasn't like I had to record it 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:32.320 or anything, because once I did something in my head, 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.240 it stays in there quite a while, and I always 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.680 felt like if it doesn't, then it wasn't meant to be. So, 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.400 you know, whatever stayed in my head, that's what I 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.960 would work going and work on the next you know that, 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:49.920 you know, whatever, you know, prepare myself again sometimes you know, 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:53.920 I would do it right there in the studio. But okay, 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:57.919 what point does your independent workings at night cross over 0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:00.360 into the mean stream of the studio. Were you not 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:06.960 working to make records they're interested in? Well, I mean 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:08.760 I was. I was always trying to make a record 0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:13.960 that they would be interesting, interested in. UM. So you know, 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.800 I had three or four So it was I was 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:18.880 managing Timmy Thomas at the time, who had a big 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.800 hit called why Can't We Live Together? I booked him 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:23.920 at a show in Washington, d C. At the Capitol 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:27.680 Center with Rare Earth. UM. Prior to that show, I 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:30.640 had gone to a wedding I believe was Betty Right's 0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.919 house or something, and she had hired a what's called 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:36.880 a junk, a new band to play at the wedding. 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.800 And uh junk a new music from the Caribbean, and 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:47.280 I've mostly associated with the Bahamas. It's drums, horns and whistles. 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:51.440 It's very infectious. You can't help but move when when, 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:55.240 when you're you're even you're anywhere near it. So anyway, 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.240 I booked me on this show and Washington, d C. 0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:03.880 And the entire audience was blowing whistles, and I thought wow, 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:08.040 and I thought, like, you would be great to take 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:11.920 this music that I just was at this party and 0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:15.680 and and you know, bring it to the masses and 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.080 do these whistles. So I wrote this song called blow 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.880 Your Whistle. I went the studio and got some of 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:25.160 the the local guys there, uh, and I recorded this 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:26.840 where I go. I brought in the drunk Adu band 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:29.240 and had them play on the record. And I wrote 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.360 this song called blow Your Whistle. And now I needed 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:36.120 to come up with a name, uh, you know, for 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:39.680 who I was going to be. And I didn't want 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.680 to use my real name or any part of my 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:45.280 real name. So I came up and I called it 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:53.240 Casey and the Sunshine junk Anuman, Okay, and then UH 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:57.880 continue the narrative, what happens with your career? Well, so 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:01.800 uh we Henry puts the record out of the normal fashion. 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.280 He presses up a few hundred whatever gets puts it 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.720 on some local radio stations and covering other stations, and 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:11.439 it starts making a lot of noise, uh, and then 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.560 spreads a little bit into Europe. Um. It goes to 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.200 number eighteen on the R and B Billboard. R and 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:22.280 B chart, and enough to where making enough noise to her. 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:26.760 Now Henry wants another record, and so now I think 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.960 we're all. I loved horns and everything. So now I 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:33.760 write this song called sound Your Funky Horn, and it's 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:37.600 just basically a song about uh, you know, you know, 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:43.200 everybody sound base member in the bottom, which is the base, um, 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.160 base member in the bottom, drummer, drum the beat, which 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.919 is the drummer, h tenor man, which is this like saxophone. 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:53.880 Come blow your horn. Um, everybody, get on your feet. 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:58.280 Everybody's sound your funky horn. So now sound your fuck 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:03.400 horn starts doing the same amount of noise, even a 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.919 little bit more than blow your whistle, but still goes 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.000 to the number eighteen. I think on the R and 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:10.280 B chart might have got a look a few points higher, 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.560 and I can't remember. I'd have to look. Uh. And 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:19.200 so now, um, I'm in the studio and we we 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.400 dropped the junken New band, I dropped the junken new 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:24.360 band name, and just it just becomes Casey in the 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:29.480 Sunshine Band on the second record. So now um, I'm 1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:35.400 Timmy Thomas's organs upstairs in the studio, and that he 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.000 wrote why can't we lived together on it? And it 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.120 was a lorry organ and it had like you know 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:43.000 that time they started adding the beat boxes. So I 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:45.320 sat down at the organ. I'm still writing songs for 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:47.720 you know, my new album and everything, because now Hitry 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:52.120 wants an album and I've already written subtracks and I'd 1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:54.600 come up with this. I started, I pushed the somber 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:56.160 or whatever it was on the thing, and I started 1:00:56.160 --> 1:01:02.360 playing these chords or whatever, and you know, uh and 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:08.880 rock your baby was born, and so um, I was 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:11.320 looking for somebody to I didn't think it was like 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:14.320 something that it was a little different than I was writing, 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.520 you know, for that I'd done for boy Whistle and 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:18.760 sign you if You On? And what the direction. I 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:21.600 was already writing for others stuff on my on the 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:24.440 case of the Sun Traine record that I was working on, 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:33.960 and so um uh. At the time, I think I 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:37.120 thought about Jimmy bull Horn singing the record, and I 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:39.320 was waiting for him to come in. And George mccraize 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:42.200 showed up that day and I said, George, come over here, 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:45.200 and you know, hum this melody, and I hummed the 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:47.920 melody to him. In the minute I heard his voice. 1:01:47.960 --> 1:01:50.720 I knew that, um, he was the one that should 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:53.440 sing this song, and I took him and went up 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:57.640 in the studio and we recorded the song, and four 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:00.000 or five weeks later was number one in fifty one 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:09.520 countries around the world. Okay, a couple of things. It's 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:14.600 considered to be the It's V four, the first UH 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:18.320 disco record dance record is considered to be the used 1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:23.280 corporation rocked the Boat, and then George mccraey's song, which 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:28.160 came first the sound or the nightclub. Were you making 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:31.640 this totally independently or were you aware of a nightlife 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:34.120 scene that you were trying to make music for that 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:37.800 you were participating in. Okay, well, I was aware of 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:41.320 a nightlife see, definitely, but it wasn't any different than 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:43.920 the sock Cops, and all they were doing is playing records, 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:52.800 you know. Um. But the the the part behind Casey 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:56.520 and Sunshine Man sound in that whole creation was I 1:02:56.560 --> 1:03:00.640 loved dance music. My mother loved dance and I've always 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:04.160 loved anything up tempo, and I would get kind of, 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:10.200 you know, disappointed when it because great dance record come 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:11.640 out and then you buy the album and it was 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:14.360 all these slow songs and all this other crap on there. 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:19.280 So I wanted to change that. I wanted to make 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:24.800 every song up tempo, um and on side A to 1:03:24.920 --> 1:03:28.000 side B. So that's what I was doing with Casey 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:32.720 in the Sunshine Band. Besides that, UM, I believe we 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:36.040 might have been the first ones to ever do a 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:39.600 twelve inch or a longer version of a song, you know, 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:43.000 strictly for the clubs. With Rock Your Baby, we took 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.840 we took the instrumental the record, took the vocal off, 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:51.200 spliced in about three minutes of instrumental, and then added 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.720 the vocal back at the end, making the song six 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:57.800 minutes and ten seconds long or something like that. So 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:04.440 Rock your Baby goes to number one? What's next for you? Um? Okay? 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.880 So me and it was are now they they make 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:12.480 a deal with the label in the UK, and the 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:17.200 owner of that label, uh, South Kasner, I think not. 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:23.000 She was a South Kasner. David Kasner comes over and 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:26.200 wants to hear the new case in the Sunshine Man album. 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:30.200 So one of the songs I, you know, so I'm 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.040 playing in the album, and here's this song on the 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:35.680 album called the Queen of Clubs and he says, that's 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:39.800 a number one record in my country. I'm thinking, okay, 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:45.200 that's nice. I'll take that. He takes it back to 1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:48.840 the UK and the record shoots to the number four, 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:53.720 and not only in the UK, but kind of all 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:59.440 over Europe some places number one. So it's like, holy cow, 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.080 you know, I got to go on tour. I've never 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:10.400 really played. I've never really played live before like that, 1:05:11.040 --> 1:05:14.080 you know, singing and playing at the same time. So 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:16.120 they booked us a tour over there for forty eight 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:20.840 shows in twenty four cities and two nights before. I 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:28.680 haven't an emergency appendecti appendectomy operation. I've penicide it, you know, appendectomy. 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:33.680 So um, that gets canceled. And thirty days later we 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:35.640 go over and I do these forty eight cities in 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:39.480 twenty four days, wearing a thing around me to you know, 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:44.080 like the last Eigg band or whatever, uh, to make 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:47.920 sure I didn't hurt myself or anything. And now they, 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:50.120 you know, they want the next record or whatever. And 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:52.880 that's the way I canna get down tonight where we're 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:56.040 created out of that, and I actually changed, you know, 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:58.800 the sound of you know, the way I sang the 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:02.600 songs a little bit and actually remember recording them with 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:06.960 a little bit of a British accent. So how do 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:11.480 we get to get down tonight? We get to get 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:17.200 down tonight because uh, I'm in the studio. Really, when 1:06:17.240 --> 1:06:19.240 I a lot of times when I would work on 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:21.600 a song, sometimes I have a title, sometimes I don't. 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:24.640 I had a title for that, which at that time 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:27.520 when I when I first wrote it in the studio 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.120 came up, you know, did the chords and the melod everything, 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:31.880 eng was called what you want is what You'll get, 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:36.800 and you know, it was kind of a working title 1:06:36.880 --> 1:06:39.760 or whatever. And the more I thought about it, you know, 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:44.080 it just wasn't ringing the bells for me, and get 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:50.440 down was kind of a uh A saying at the 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:53.720 time or whatever, and you know, I started thinking, get down, 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:57.400 get down, get down tonight, um, you know, and then 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:03.440 wrote about you know, what do you What are the 1:07:03.520 --> 1:07:05.360 things I like to do? What are the things you 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:07.520 like to do? You know, do a little dance, making 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:10.800 a little love, get down tonight, and then creating the 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:15.480 story kind of around that, you know, with being with 1:07:15.560 --> 1:07:17.960 somebody else, baby baby, let's get together, honey, honey, me 1:07:18.000 --> 1:07:20.680 and you do the things do the things we like 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:22.280 to do. Do a little dance, make a little love, 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:27.560 get down tonight. Yeah it was that simple. Okay, wait 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:30.520 a second. I was more of an FM guy. But 1:07:30.680 --> 1:07:32.920 it is living out West at the time and you're 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:36.400 driving these long stretches. Prior to satellite radio, you'd be 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:39.960 flipping the dial here stuff on AM radio which had 1:07:40.000 --> 1:07:44.160 a long, uh, a large area of coverage. You heard 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:48.200 that track What's and no matter what kind of music 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:52.960 you liked, you immediately got it. He said, holy shit. Okay, 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:56.720 I remember the first time that. It's very interesting because 1:07:56.720 --> 1:08:01.160 we had always recorded everything ever a TK, but because 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:04.800 we needed to add Nework things to we went to 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:07.280 Criteria to do the vocal and the horns in the 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:13.160 backgrounds tonight. I finished that vocal or whatever, and I 1:08:13.240 --> 1:08:16.160 must have played that song one times because it was 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:21.120 just so infectious. I it was just I knew there 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:23.040 was something special about it. As a matter of fact, 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:25.000 when Henry finally put it out, it went on the 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:28.240 Billboard chart at and the next week it fell off 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:30.439 the chart. I went to Henry. I said, Henry, this 1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:32.439 is a hit song. What's going on? He says, don't 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:36.960 worry about it. That was it. Well, that's what people 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.880 who don't play at the elite level don't understand. When 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:44.760 you do something that good, you know it okay, and 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:47.360 you rarely can get he can't hit that every day 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:51.760 every month, but when you get there, you certainly know it. Right. 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:55.720 So okay, now you're off and running. Okay with the 1:08:55.760 --> 1:09:00.400 next track? Is that's the way I like it? Yeah? 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:03.240 So you know, now you have a success. Now you 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:07.639 gotta worry about following it up. Well, the two songs 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:10.200 were almost recorded within the same period of time. You 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:13.160 have to understand. Now I'm I've moved from the first 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.960 album and now working on the second album. So tracks 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:20.000 were in the progress in progress, whether it was you 1:09:20.040 --> 1:09:22.439 know and and and all the songs were almost recorded 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:25.760 a year before. So get down to Night Investady like 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:28.200 it would have been recorded in nineteen seventy four, like 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:30.960 seventy four or whatever, after I got back from tour 1:09:31.000 --> 1:09:35.680 in England. Uh so, Um, it was already in the 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:38.960 can before the was already Yeah, I was already in 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:43.400 the can. And then what about shake your Booty? What 1:09:43.479 --> 1:09:46.400 about it? Um? How did you come with booty? Well, 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:50.439 it's an interesting story behind that, other than booty being 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:53.519 a famous another word that was popular at the time. 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:56.760 But you know, from doing these concerts, a lot of 1:09:56.800 --> 1:10:01.040 times I'd be in situations and you know that there 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:05.680 would be I just felt like still people were a 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:09.040 little afraid to let themselves go, let themselves be what 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:12.519 they whatever they want to be, and still had this 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:15.599 fear of like I said, all right, to get up. 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.320 And so I'd be doing these concerts and you know, 1:10:18.600 --> 1:10:21.040 thousands of people be standing up and I'd be drawn 1:10:21.120 --> 1:10:23.880 to the one person sitting there with their arms crossed 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:27.439 or whatever. Which sometimes that's kind of me um. But 1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:30.080 it's not that I'm not having a good time. It's 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:34.120 just I'm just I'm comfortable to relax. But anyway, I 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.639 I just so it was kind of a song about 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:41.120 and and and also I felt like a lot of 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:43.760 people didn't have enough faith in themselves and believe in 1:10:43.800 --> 1:10:46.880 themselves enough. And it was kind of a song meant 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:49.800 to be let you know that you're as good as 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:52.280 the next person. There's anybody else. Get up and shake 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:54.560 your ass, get up and shake your booty. You know 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:58.240 what I mean. You're the best to see, um, you 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:00.559 can you can't do it very well? Are the best 1:11:00.600 --> 1:11:03.760 in the world, I can tell you know, I mean shake, shake, shake, 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:07.479 shake your booty. So is that kind of thing, like 1:11:08.000 --> 1:11:10.080 a little bit of a motivational thing in a way 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:15.640 for people to to have a belief in themselves and uh, 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:20.200 to enjoy life, to to shake your booty. And now 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:23.280 you're on a run, do you feel the pressure to 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:27.000 have more hits? Hits? No? I mean, first of all, 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:28.880 you have to say, and I came from a label 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:34.040 that had nothing but one hit, Wonders. Um. I you know, 1:11:34.120 --> 1:11:37.000 out of all the songs, I wasn't sure about shake 1:11:37.040 --> 1:11:41.000 your Booty until um because it just seemed too easy 1:11:41.080 --> 1:11:44.040 to do. The vocal everything was just so easy with 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:48.160 that song. Um. And I remember it wasn't until we 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:53.240 i um, we performed at the first time, I think 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:56.439 right before the record came out in Dallas, Texas at 1:11:56.479 --> 1:11:59.439 six Flags over Texas Arlington Texts or wherever six Flags 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:03.800 is there, and you know, the fans went nuts. I 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:08.040 mean they went nuts, and it just felt right even 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:12.240 performing it. It just felt like, Wow, I was you 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:14.599 know this one, this is this is gonna be huge 1:12:15.560 --> 1:12:21.320 and you know that it was okay number three, You're 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:26.599 working at an independent label, which is still independent after 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:31.720 the wild West of what comes before the sixties and fifties. Okay, 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:36.880 So ultimately with the label went bankrupt, it was Saltimore's 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:41.080 Levi's Roulette, which needles to say, has a reputation of 1:12:41.640 --> 1:12:45.160 working in the mafia world. You're working at t K. 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:48.439 To what degree are you getting an honest accounting? To 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:51.200 what degree is the business legitimate? To what degree are 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:56.960 you getting paid one to me, two or three out 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:03.200 the door? And you were aware of that pretty much 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:07.720 then you thought, what, I don't think too much of it. 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:12.120 I mean I was, Um, it was until I am 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.160 audited that I thought about it too much at all. 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:20.160 That was near the end. And how about ownership? Was 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:23.880 there ever an issue of them wanting part of the pot? Okay? 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:25.640 So after that, after that's what we like, and I 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:31.640 went renegotiated. Um, you know, my deal with him for 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:36.840 half the publishing and better points and better everything. So 1:13:36.880 --> 1:13:40.160 at this late date, what do you own? And Henry 1:13:40.160 --> 1:13:43.280 game in my own label? You know, I mean he 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:48.880 was pretty much you know, supporting my label and everything else. Okay, 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:57.920 but right now, what do you own half of you 1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:00.640 have half the publishing, and then and how much of 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:06.640 the writers share my percentage. Okay. So a lot of 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:13.200 these songs were co written with someone else. Yeah, and 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:15.800 what did you do and what did that other person do? 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:21.200 And why did that end? I did it all? So 1:14:21.360 --> 1:14:23.720 why did he get credit? We just had it. It 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:27.280 was just a business thing that I gave him credit. Okay, 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:30.000 So he really did he do anything for his credit 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:33.280 business wise or anything? No? He played bass, and he 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:36.519 was a great engineer, and he was good at some 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:41.920 of the production. Okay, production. Going back to the songs, okay, 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:46.880 so you have maintained your ownership. You're getting royalties now? Yeah, 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:52.080 and who administers those songs? Sony, Sony. It's been through, 1:14:52.120 --> 1:14:54.960 it's been through so many different people. But you have 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:56.920 continued to get paid or do you have to audit 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:58.840 for your money? And who knows whether you're getting paid? 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:01.120 How many cents on the dollar? No, you know, I 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:05.639 mean it's I mean you always do audits. Well, let's 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:07.600 but if you never worked again, you got plenty of 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:12.440 money coming in with the royalties. I'm okay, you're okay. 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:15.280 You go on the road. What's the incentive to go 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:19.439 on the road because I have fun and I like it? Okay, 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:23.000 But it's not primarily money, or is it. No? No, 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:28.000 so you go on the road. Uh, in the last 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:31.479 fifty years, have there been times you've stayed off the 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:34.479 road going back on or if you consistently work that 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:42.920 whole time? Um? I for ten years between eighty four 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:47.960 and ninety five around there somewhere, I didn't I didn't 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:49.479 tour at all. I didn't want to have anything to 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:52.160 do with this business. I hated it. I was done. 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:55.320 I didn't want anything to do with it. It wasn't 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:57.000 until our Cindy oh Hall I wanted to see a 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:01.360 reunion on his TV show that I realized I had 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:05.519 stopped doing something I love to do. And I started 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:07.479 putting my feetback in, you know, out there in the 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:11.240 water and testing the waters and put a band back together. 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:14.120 What did you do for this? I've been I've been 1:16:14.160 --> 1:16:15.960 doing it ever since. Then? Would you do for those 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:19.680 ten years? Took off a lot of drugs and a 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:23.720 lot of partying. There's a lot of nothing, so you 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:26.400 were kind of just kind of just living life. No, 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:30.960 I was done. I was not gonna know nothing. Were 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:34.120 you done? Just because the whole effect or you felt 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:39.160 ripped off for too much pressure? I was just tired 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:40.679 of I was kind of just tired of being told 1:16:40.760 --> 1:16:42.400 what to do, when to do it, how to feel, 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:45.280 when to be this place, and that I just wanted 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:48.920 to like, I wanted life back. I wanted like a 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:54.559 normal life back. That's just what I wanted. I just wanted. 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:58.479 You wanted to feelm normal again. I think just if 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:01.920 that was even possible, which it's not because of who 1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:05.360 I am or what I've done, but as normal as 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:09.280 normal can be for me. After you're done with t K, 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:12.280 you move on to what is then CBS Records now 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:17.960 sonydor good or bad experience? How different? I left t 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:19.680 K because I had an auditor and they owned me 1:17:19.760 --> 1:17:24.840 nine million dollars. Did you get it? Nope? Say taken 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:27.000 because I figured I would have been gone to court 1:17:27.080 --> 1:17:28.640 and when I would would have been in court for 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:31.400 years and years. And I said take it and shot 1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:36.519 it and I signed with CBS. What epic And so 1:17:36.600 --> 1:17:40.600 you signed? How was your experience an epic? Not a 1:17:40.600 --> 1:17:46.040 great one, not a great one at all. Um. I 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:50.080 think at the time, EPIC was just so so into 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:52.680 the Michael Jackson thing or whatever that maybe they're just 1:17:52.680 --> 1:17:54.800 buying up competition. I don't know what they were doing, 1:17:55.600 --> 1:17:57.639 but they didn't have any If you look at that period, 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:00.360 they didn't have any time for anybody but Michael because 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:03.439 Frank de Leo, who was running Epic. You know, I 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:06.960 wanted to be Michael's manager. And I remember the first 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:11.760 album I did for them, Um, you know that they 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:13.479 were happy with it and all that sort of stuff, 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:14.880 and then nothing, you haven't to it. I remember going 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:17.479 in and say, look, I don't need your charity. If 1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:19.640 you don't like something, you better tell me. You know, 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:21.240 if you're not gonna back this and you're not gonna 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:24.080 believe in what I'm doing, then I don't want to 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:25.360 do it. And you know what I mean, I'm not 1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:28.599 a charity here, So you know, I went and did 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:30.840 the second album and they got more involved in it 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:34.160 and everything, and um, except when it came time to 1:18:34.200 --> 1:18:35.880 put out and give it up in America after it 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:38.240 was number one for six weeks in Europe, they didn't 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:39.840 want to do it. So I said, let me have 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:43.200 the record. I went off the contract and they paid 1:18:43.200 --> 1:18:45.000 me a hundred thousand dollars, gave me the record, and 1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:48.200 I put it out myself said, and it was the 1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:51.919 number one record, even though Billboard didn't reflect it correctly. 1:18:52.960 --> 1:18:57.639 Explain that a little bit more. Okay, So the Billboard 1:18:57.720 --> 1:19:02.320 charts mainly or they eased on points. They give radio 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:04.479 stations and how far you got the charter when you're 1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:08.320 on a radio station, so um, depending on mean radio 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:10.519 stations you're on at the time you get points, it 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:14.560 goes up when when stations are off of it, you 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:17.480 lose the points. So there are a lot of stations 1:19:17.520 --> 1:19:19.760 like in Miami and other stations. It went on very 1:19:19.880 --> 1:19:23.599 very very early and off the success of the UK 1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:28.080 and um Epic didn't want to release it as single, 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:32.920 and so I lost the momentum and the points. Even 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:35.960 though that record was number one on every radio station 1:19:36.000 --> 1:19:38.040 in the United States of America for at least five 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:41.000 to six weeks, there was not one station in America 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:44.280 that record wasn't number one on. But because of the 1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:47.880 way the point system is and the timing of the 1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:50.160 ones that went on at early and the ones that 1:19:50.200 --> 1:19:53.120 went out late is it was coming up. Other stations 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:56.000 were had already had there's six weeks, you know, their 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:58.240 their patients are starting to go down. So I was 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:03.360 losing points here by gaining all these points you know here, Okay, 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:05.120 one other truck I want to talk about is my 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:08.679 favorite other than Get Down Tonight. And it's very different 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:12.439 from the upbeat tracks. That's please Don't Go. How did 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:18.559 that come about? Um? I was sitting at the piano 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:21.080 waiting for the next session to start or whatever, as 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.599 I always did, while they were trying to get the 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:26.160 sound of you know, the instruments and everything else. Was 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:29.040 always a long process. And I was sitting down at 1:20:29.040 --> 1:20:34.040 the the grand piano and just these cords just came 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:41.759 to my head, and um uh it was just different. 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:46.479 I just you know, it was just I don't know 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:50.240 if I was thinking, like you know, you know, the 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:54.400 disco thing was happening or or you know, and I 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:56.640 just felt like I wanted to change. I wanted to 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.160 do something a little bit different that I always swore 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:00.680 I would never really do it, which was like a 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:04.760 ballot or something slow. And you know, it just all 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:08.960 just again these things. I can't explain these things to you. 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:11.839 I can try to explain it and make an excuse 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:15.240 or a reason. There's no reason. There's no I didn't 1:21:15.280 --> 1:21:19.040 know how to explain how God or whatever this that 1:21:19.280 --> 1:21:23.320 is comes into my hands sits them down on this keyboard, 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:27.400 and and all of a sudden, these things start happening 1:21:28.200 --> 1:21:30.439 kind of beyond my control, as if it's automatic. It's 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:32.560 just like I put my hands down and all of 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:37.439 a sudden this starts happening and develops into this other 1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:41.839 thing that just becomes massive. I can't explain that. I'll 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:44.360 never will be able to. Did you expect it to 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:49.200 be commercially successful? Once I heard it? Once it was done, absolutely, Oh, 1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:52.360 I knew it right away. Any of your tracks that 1:21:52.400 --> 1:22:05.080 you thought were hit that didn't go, um, I I've 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:07.920 had a few, maybe in the in later years. But 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:14.320 then if I look back at I mean, um, if 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:16.160 I look back at some of them and dissect them, 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:20.799 I can probably understand why maybe they didn't. But again, again, 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:24.960 it's all in sometimes promotion and marketing too. It's like, 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:28.160 you know, one another. One reason I was leading t 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:30.800 K because I felt like they were getting all these 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:34.040 new people coming in there, and they all wanted to 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:36.479 make their marks. So they weren't interested in somebody who 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:40.599 was already making had already made a mark. Um, there 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:43.040 was nothing for them to do, you know what I mean. 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:46.519 They wanted to make the next one. That's you know, 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:49.320 I felt like, so I here, I made this company, 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:53.080 and this company was now starting to ignore me. I 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:57.440 hear you. So, uh do you think you were victimized 1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:01.639 by the disco backlash? Not at all? Well, I mean, 1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:04.400 I don't know, because it's very confusing because even though 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:10.240 I'm considered and and probably one of the beginning of 1:23:10.280 --> 1:23:13.960 that whole thing, it was really R and B music 1:23:14.000 --> 1:23:15.720 that was being played at the time up until night 1:23:15.760 --> 1:23:19.679 until the Saturday Night Fever album or nine. When when 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:24.240 when a lot of the things changed. And so for me, 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:26.920 I feel like I had already moved on with please 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:29.120 Don't Go. Then I had Yes, I'm ready with Terry 1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:33.040 to Sarrio. You know. Uh, so I feel like I 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:37.240 had already moved beyond that sort of scenario, if that 1:23:37.280 --> 1:23:43.439 makes sense. I didn't like the word disco to begin with. 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:48.320 Were you a guy who went to the clubs? Yeah? 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:50.760 I went to club and I went to clubs because 1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:55.000 I love to dance. I you know, um, I you 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:58.320 know everybody was going so I mean, but you know, 1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:02.040 I just I love music. So anywhere there was music, 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:06.519 I was going to be And so other than when 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:13.520 you're creating to what degree are you listening to music today? Um? 1:24:13.560 --> 1:24:17.000 I go on I iTunes every day and check out 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:20.040 whatever the latest thing is or the whatever records on. 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:22.760 I mean, I'm really in love with this song called 1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:25.360 Imagine by Ben Platt right now. I think it's just 1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:28.400 a great song. But I don't see it making very 1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:31.080 much noise, which I don't understand why unless it's just 1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:34.879 I just they just haven't got behind it yet. I hopefully, hopefully, 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.360 because I think it's a great, great song and he 1:24:37.520 --> 1:24:41.760 sounds amazing on it. Um. But I I mean, I 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:44.080 I listen everything. I have country on my phone, I 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:47.639 have pop, I have I have everything. You know, music 1:24:47.680 --> 1:24:49.000 has changed a lot. I mean R and B s 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:50.479 now what R and B used to be. I wished 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:52.880 it was. It would be great to hear some great 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:55.679 R and B music, But I don't know when that's 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:59.200 going to happen. I I see, I see I see 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:03.880 it slowly how happening. There's a lot of up and 1:25:03.920 --> 1:25:08.640 coming UM R and B artists who seem to be 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:16.040 embracing that historical sound, and I hear it coming out 1:25:16.040 --> 1:25:18.600 of their productions and their music, and it's kind of 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:22.600 exciting in a way. Okay. I saw you in the 1:25:22.680 --> 1:25:27.160 band perform on a cold winter night in Veil, Colorado, 1:25:27.680 --> 1:25:30.120 and it was spectActor. That's what really resonate with it. 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:35.160 Please don't go for me, But on stage you make 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:39.800 fun of yourself. Where did that come from? Where did 1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:43.920 that come from? That came from wanting to make myself 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:50.000 relax and and feel comfortable on the stage or whatever. Um, 1:25:50.040 --> 1:25:52.960 I'm not don't. I don't know, I don't. It's just 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:56.280 especially at times when I put on a few pounds 1:25:56.360 --> 1:26:01.000 or whatever. I'm all. You know. Some of it started 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:04.880 with seeing young kids in the audience and thinking, you know, 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:07.360 you have no clue who I am or or what 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:09.679 you know, and I was trying to kind of relate 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:12.000 to them a little bit. So you know, one of 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:15.800 the running jokes came, I'm your mother's justin Timberlake, you 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:20.160 know what I mean. So, you know, part part of 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:22.840 it came from that, But part of it's just facing 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:24.920 the realities, like if I put a little weight and 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:27.639 then you know, like he's like God, he's getting the waiter, 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:29.599 He's done this, and you know, let's let's just joke 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:31.360 about it so I don't have to sit there and 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:35.240 think about what they're saying, you know what I mean. Um, 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:38.280 and it just kind of relaxes me. I I kind 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:43.160 of have fun doing it. Um you know, Um does 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:46.439 that answer the question? Yeah? Absolutely. You tell a joke 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:50.920 about KFY and KFC that's pretty funny. Oh yeah, well's see, 1:26:50.920 --> 1:26:53.639 I've I've brought in some writers and stuff to give 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.519 me some lines. And that was you know, that was 1:26:56.560 --> 1:26:59.639 one of the even though I don't really eat Kentucky 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:02.040 Fried Chicken, I don't eat a lot of fried foods 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:08.920 at all, but um, yeah, it was this this writer, 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.639 that comedic writer that writes for a lot of people, 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:15.559 I wrote wrote that one, and it was it's a 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:18.360 fun joke. So when are we going to see you 1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:24.559 back on the road? Um? Right now, I'm planning on going, 1:27:25.000 --> 1:27:28.519 you know, back in after this mess settles down a 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:31.920 little bit. Um. You know, they wanted me to kind 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:34.160 of go. I mean, I just lost my guitar player 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:37.000 from twenty something years, so I got to find a 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:39.200 new guitar player number one and there's gonna be some 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:44.960 big shoes to fill, um number two. I just I 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:50.200 you know, until this pandemics kind of done and you know, 1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:52.040 really kind of over I don't want to be flying 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:56.559 around a lot, you know, with mass Shawn and playing, 1:27:56.640 --> 1:28:00.560 you know. I mean, I've been going, you know on 1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:03.800 a few little many vacations and stuff, but it's not 1:28:03.920 --> 1:28:06.880 like having to fly every day three days in a row, 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:10.439 and you know, dealing with all this craziness out there 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:15.639 right now. So I decided and then, you know, just 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:18.720 at the time, I wasn't sure, you know, I just 1:28:18.760 --> 1:28:22.200 we didn't want to put anybody in situations. I didn't 1:28:22.600 --> 1:28:25.760 know how you know, a lot of places haven't really 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.960 fully opened. Uh, you know, I just didn't want to 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.600 deal with a whole mass. It's just it's all insanity, 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:34.519 and I just just when it's over, let's let's get 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:37.720 back to business or whatever. And then at one point 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:39.479 I thought, you know, maybe I don't want to do 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:44.400 this anymore. I don't know, but um, you know, I 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:47.040 think I want to go back. I think I miss it. 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:52.800 I miss you know, Um, I've never you know, you know, 1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:54.960 since I went back out, I haven't stopped. And so 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:58.360 this whole pandemic and me being so idle after all 1:28:58.439 --> 1:29:01.120 this time, and you know, just I don't know if 1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:03.320 I needed it, maybe we all needed it. I don't 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:07.600 know to just to rethink and to read to re 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:17.040 um uh, can't think of the word um re calibrate, yeah, recalibrate. Okay, Harry, 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:20.439 this has been wonderful. One thing about you have to 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:24.439 know your tracks are forever. It's funny. Very few people 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:26.600 can say that most things are of a time and 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:33.599 they die. But you consistently, you know you're sustained. Really incredible. Okay, 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:36.799 thanks for taking the time once again. Thank you. You bet. 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:38.400 This is Bob left sense.