1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Falcons fans. What's up? 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: We are checking in from the twenty twenty five NFL 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Scouting Combine Will McFadden with Tarn Wack. We have an 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: awesome slate of guests joining us on today's show. We're 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: going to hear from Charles Davis, Sam Monson, Robert Mays, 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: Nate Tice, Taren. 7 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: How'd you feel about talking to all of our guests. 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: I love the combine. I think it's great to hear 9 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: so many different perspectives when we're so absorbed in Atlanta 10 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: all the time and seeing outsiders and what they're hearing 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: talking about. Yeah, I love it here. 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: That's great check in. So let's not waste a minute more. 13 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to our show, all. 14 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 4: Right, Sam, We kind of start every conversation off with 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 4: just kind of asking your general opinions on this draft 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 4: class and kind of what you make of what's coming 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: out of the college football landscape right now. 18 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it's an interesting draft class. 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 5: It's kind of strong in all the areas that the 20 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 5: last draft or two have been weak. So tight end 21 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 5: is an amazingly strong group this year. Running back, the 22 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 5: defensive line, whereas that wasn't necessarily a case, particularly in 23 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 5: side at defensive tackle. Those are really strong draft classes 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 5: this year and last year you were sort of saying 25 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 5: the opposite, where we had Rock Bowers at the top 26 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 5: of the draft the tight end, and then there was 27 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 5: like a Barren Wasteland after him. So it's kind of 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 5: fascinating that it goes in cycles. You know, we don't 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 5: necessarily get this endless year on year strength at certain positions. 30 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 5: It swings back and forth. But I think it's a 31 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 5: good draft class overall, and depending on you know, what 32 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 5: positions you're interested in, extremely good. 33 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 6: Yeah. 34 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: So you know, for the Falcons, I think it's not 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: too difficult to kind of narrow down that list of 36 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: potentially interested positions defense heavy, you know, particular maybe edge rushers, corners, 37 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: things like that. So if you're at fifteen, like the 38 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: Falcons are, is, is that a good spot to be 39 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: for those particular positions. 40 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is, particularly defensive line. I mean, 41 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 5: the whole first round is going to be a ton 42 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 5: of defensive linemen. You know, we could see a third 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 5: of the first round basely end up being defensive lineman, 44 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 5: between edge rushers and defensive tackles. So no matter where 45 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 5: your pick, essentially in the first round, somebody is going 46 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: to be around that makes sense on that defensive line, 47 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 5: whether it's tackle or edge. I think in the middle 48 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 5: of the first round you're definitely looking at guys like, 49 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 5: you know, Walter Nolan could be there, Mike Green from Marshall, 50 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 5: the edge rusher. James Pierce is an interesting one because 51 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 5: I think there's a very wide range of opinions on 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 5: him right now. Some guys have him sliding out of 53 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 5: the first round entirely. There are some people have him 54 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 5: closer to that top group based off his athleticism and 55 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: his kind of explosiveness, and we might see him put 56 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 5: in the kind of display at the combine that cements 57 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: him in the middle of the first round as opposed 58 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 5: to any kind of slide. So I think you can 59 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 5: definitely get defensive linemen there. And then of course with 60 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: the Falcons, you've also got this dynamic of you know, 61 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 5: they don't have a ton of draft picks, and this 62 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 5: is the team that might be interested in moving down 63 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 5: towards the bottom of the first round or even out 64 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 5: of the first round to try and accumulate, you know, 65 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 5: more picks as opposed to using that mid first round. 66 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Pick on a guy. 67 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought this up, because this is something 68 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: that we've kind of been playing around with and toying 69 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: around with the idea of the falcon kind of moving 70 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 4: back in the first round, and an ideas like is 71 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: there going to be a trade partner that's willing to 72 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: move up? And that's always kind of the what's at war? 73 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 4: So do you feel like there are some teams that 74 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: would maybe bite to that to the point of, you know, 75 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: it's going to be a bunch of defensive guys coming 76 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: off the board. Is there enough there to have a 77 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 4: team want to come up? 78 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 5: I think sometimes it depends if somebody starts to slide. Yeah, 79 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 5: you know, so guys that we're thinking of as top 80 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 5: ten draft picks. If one of those guys suddenly starts 81 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 5: to slip down the board and all of a sudden, 82 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: the team that was picking in the mid twenties, you know, 83 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: has a shot at somebody they thought would be long gone. 84 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 5: I think that's when you can start to see moves 85 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 5: like that, you know, being made. You've seen that the 86 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 5: last couple of years, teams that have been aggressive going 87 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 5: after guys that they didn't necessarily expect to be there 88 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: Minnesota with Dallas Turner, you know, a year ago, I 89 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 5: mean this time last year, Dallas Turner to Atlanta was 90 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 5: like the most popular draft pick in anymore. Every Monck 91 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 5: draft had it. But obviously they went with Michael Pennix. 92 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: Dallas Turner starts to slide in Minnesota, I don't think 93 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 5: had any chance of thinking that they were going to 94 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 5: draft this guy and suddenly they're like, we can make 95 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 5: this happen, Let's go get him. So, you know, Ted McMillan, 96 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 5: the Arizona wide receiver, is someone that was in the 97 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 5: top ten of most mocks. The more people you talk 98 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 5: to with the combine, I think everyone kind of sees 99 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 5: Travis Hunter as wide receiver one, and suddenly you're seeing 100 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 5: McMillan maybe start to slide down the first round. But 101 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 5: he is a guy where I think there's a gap 102 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 5: between him and the next. 103 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 7: Group of receivers. 104 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: So if you're a receiver needy. 105 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 5: Team and suddenly McMillan is available in the middle of 106 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 5: the first round, like that might be the kind of 107 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 5: player that entices somebody to try to trade up with 108 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 5: somebody like Atlanta. 109 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Georgia defenders have really been kind of in the 110 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: news lately with the Philadelphia Eagles winning Super Bowl, and 111 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: obviously here in Atlanta like get talked or asked about 112 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: it a lot. So what do you make of the 113 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: two Georgia kind of defenders who are write and play 114 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: there at kind of that spot in the first round. 115 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't look like that's stopping anytime soon either. 116 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: I mean, Jalen Walker a really interesting player, like a 117 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 5: genuine hybrid player in college, and I wonder if we're 118 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 5: going to see more of that in the NFL the 119 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 5: way defense is going, you know, we've seen players that 120 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 5: have kind of played little bits and pieces and they've 121 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 5: they've gone they've become a situational edge rusher in certain spots. 122 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 5: We haven't really seen too many instances where teams are 123 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 5: genuinely prepared to use a guy at both positions effectively 124 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 5: at the same time, right and morph between one and 125 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 5: the other before the snap. And Georgia was doing that 126 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 5: a ton With Jalen Walker. I think he's a potentially 127 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 5: dominant defensive lineman. His bad mistakes are all at off 128 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 5: the ball linebacker, but he's he's young at either like 129 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 5: He's inexperienced at either, so I think you can project 130 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 5: a very good player at both. And maybe there is 131 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 5: a team out there, you know, somebody that wants to 132 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 5: do some of the things that Brian Flores has been doing, 133 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 5: say in Minnesota, that's prepared to actually use him as 134 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 5: a hybrid player either way. You know, I think the 135 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 5: potential is there for him to be fantastic, and I 136 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: expect him to be a high draft pick. And then 137 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 5: and you know that there are other player dealing with 138 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 5: an injury that apparently was sort of keeping him in 139 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 5: like sixty percent effectiveness last year, and you could see that, 140 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 5: you could see the impact of that ankle injury. You 141 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 5: go back to twenty twenty three tape, he's significantly more explosive. 142 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 5: So again, I expect him to be a high first 143 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 5: round pick as well. I don't think either of those 144 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: guys are making it to like the second half of 145 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 5: the first round. 146 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: I want to go back to last year a little 147 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: bit because the Falcons I think shocked a lot of 148 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: people by taking Michael Pennix at number eight. Overall, I'm 149 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 4: curious kind of when you saw that, what your overall 150 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: reaction to that was so we we. 151 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 5: Were sort of tainted a little bit by Zach Robinson, 152 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 5: the Falcons offense coordinator. 153 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 7: He used to be a colleague at PFF. 154 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 5: We we worked there, you know, we were all senior 155 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: analysts there, so we'd sort of had little bits of 156 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 5: back and forth with him. 157 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: We knew from very early on that they loved Michael 158 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: Pennick Junior. Now we didn't know they were. 159 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: Going to take him at eight, but it shocked us 160 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 5: less than it shocked other people because we knew from 161 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: very early on that they really really liked this guy. 162 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: And you know, at PFF when we were there, we 163 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 5: had talked about all these sort of things, and the 164 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 5: quarterback is everything. Right, So even though you've signed a 165 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 5: guy like Kirk Cousins, if you think you can get 166 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: the next like the succession plan in place, it's not 167 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: crazy to draft a guy at that level. So it 168 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 5: was definitely shocking, But you know, I think we were 169 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: able to rationalize it pretty quickly and say, you know, 170 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: if there's a two year transition period, this makes a 171 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 5: ton of sense. 172 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 8: Now. 173 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 5: Obviously it ended up being a lot more accelerated than that. 174 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 5: But I think that if you sort of look back 175 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 5: on the process and say, well, where did it go wrong? 176 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 5: What was the flaw here? The flaw would be the 177 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins end of it. It would be, you know, 178 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: why did we sign him to this kind of contract 179 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 5: with thirty five years old coming off an Achilles injury. 180 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 5: We're not sure what he is physically yet, Like that 181 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 5: was the area where you question. I think drafting Michael 182 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 5: Pennix junior at eight, when the consensus in the NFL 183 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 5: seems to have been significantly strong, younger than the consensus 184 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: amongst the public, you know, where he was still like 185 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 5: the thirty second player on the big board or whatever. 186 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: They wouldn't have gotten him. 187 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 5: If they'd waited till the second round, like somebody else 188 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 5: was drafting him in the first round, he would have 189 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 5: been gone. So if you think he's the guy, I 190 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: don't think there's anything wrong at all was drafting him 191 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: at eight. 192 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: To follow up on that, I do love kind of 193 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: your history with Zach Robinson and everything like that. What 194 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: did you make of his first year as a full 195 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: time play caller in the NFL. 196 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I thought he did a good job, especially 197 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 5: when you consider how handicapped he was by the individual circumstances, right, 198 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 5: So Number one, he's kind of got to keep a 199 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 5: second offense on the back burner for when Michael Pennix 200 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 5: Junior comes in, Right, They've got to like the when 201 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 5: the Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson and in the back room 202 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 5: somewhere somebody was working on the Lamar Jackson offense just 203 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: for when they were going to need him to come in. 204 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 5: You know, Zach had to keep that in mind all 205 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 5: the way through the year. But also they had to 206 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 5: work out what the offense could be with Kirk Cousins 207 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 5: a quarterback. So very early on it's like, Okay, he's 208 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 5: not capable of doing everything we want him to do. 209 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 5: We need to learn and readjust and create an offense 210 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 5: on the fly. That's not what I want to run, 211 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 5: but it's what we can run with Kirk Cousins and 212 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 5: make the most out of what he can be. And 213 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 5: at times it was very effective. And then obviously, you know, 214 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 5: Cousins kind of fell apart as the year war on 215 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: and they made the transition went to Panix, and you 216 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 5: saw the offense open up a bit more. 217 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: So I think. 218 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 7: Overall it was an impressive job. 219 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 5: When you factor in seat of all the curve balls 220 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 5: that were thrown in his direction. 221 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: And I think an underrated part of that too was 222 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: the work that he did keeping the run game as 223 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: successful as it has been. Right like that was something 224 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Arthur Smith I think was known for, was his creativity 225 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: in the run game and having Dwayne Ladford there still 226 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: as the offensive line coach, working with Zach and kind 227 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: of two different types of schemes, but Marryme Together was 228 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: really successful. But Sam, we're going to get you out 229 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: of here. We got a few rapid fire questions for you, 230 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: starting with you're on the clock at fifteen. You know, 231 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: let's say the board has fallen about the way he 232 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: expected to. What are you doing for the Atlanta Falcons. 233 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 5: I mean the first question is, you know, I'm i 234 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 5: getting trade offers. If I'm getting trade offers and I 235 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 5: don't have to drop back that far, I'm definitely interested 236 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 5: in maybe trading back getting a couple more picks. If 237 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 5: I'm stuck at fifteen, I'm taking the most dynamic pass 238 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: rusher I can find, whether it's defensive tackle, whether it's 239 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 5: edge rusher, I don't particularly care which. I think either 240 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 5: one of them, you know, makes a significant difference to 241 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 5: this defensive line. So I'm grabbing the best pass rusher 242 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 5: it's still on the board. 243 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: Let's say it's a player like Shamar Stewart Mike Greene. 244 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: How how do you personally view like those two very 245 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: different types of players. 246 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 5: I'm always going to lean towards the guy that's got 247 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 5: proven production. You know, in those worlds where it's sort 248 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: of do I take production versus freaky athleticism who hasn't 249 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 5: done it yet, I'm going to lean towards production, the 250 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 5: guy that's already showed me he can be a high 251 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: level player. And in this particular case, you know, green 252 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 5: I think is a pretty impressive athlete as well. Like 253 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 5: we're not talking about, you know, low level athlete that's 254 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 5: productive versus high level athlete that's not. We're talking about 255 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 5: a pretty good athlete who's product and potentially exceptional athlete 256 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 5: who isn't. Again, I'm going to lean towards production. 257 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: Last question, We'll let you go, who is when you're 258 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 4: looking at particularly the first round, who is somebody that 259 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: you're really high on, that you're really excited about what 260 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: they could be in the league. 261 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 5: I Mean, the more you look at Travis Hunter, the more. 262 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 5: I think he's the most special player in this draft. 263 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 5: I think he's both wide receiver one and cornerback one 264 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 5: at the same time whilst doing both. So either one 265 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: of his tapes, you watch it and you say, if 266 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 5: you take the other one off his plate, he's probably 267 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 5: immediately ten or fifteen percent better than you're looking at 268 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: right now. And you're already looking at the best player 269 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 5: at that position in this draft. And I think there's 270 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: a realistic chance he can do both to some degree 271 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 5: at the next level. Like if you draft him as 272 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 5: your starting corner, but use him as wide receiver three 273 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 5: and you get four hundred more snaps out of him. 274 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 7: On the offensive side of the ball. 275 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: I mean, we're talking about, I think, a genuinely throwback 276 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 5: player to the time when everybody was a two way 277 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 5: iron man player. Yeah, we've seen players have like a 278 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: package of offensive plays, and you know Dion Sanders and 279 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 5: even you know Marcus uh Marcus Jones for New England 280 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: this year, like just a small little smattering of offensive plays. 281 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 5: This is a guy who could be your third wide 282 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 5: receiver and be your starting corner. We haven't seen that 283 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 5: since like the sixties. I mean, that's insane, and I 284 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 5: think it's genuinely within his range of outcomes. 285 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 9: Love it. 286 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: It's gonna be fascinating. 287 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sitting. 288 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 5: Down with us, saytime. 289 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: Thanks Sam. 290 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: All right, Charles, we're asking everybody off the top. 291 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 8: I didn't do it all. 292 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 4: Didn't do it right. That question number one. But question 293 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 4: number two. When you look at this draft class, and 294 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 4: I know there have been some some titles that have 295 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: been thrown out, it's kind of a meat and potatoes 296 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 4: time draft. It's not the draft of what the last 297 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: couple of years have been. How do you evaluate this class. 298 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 9: I think it's a good draft, I really do. And 299 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 9: I won't use all the other turns because they've already 300 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 9: been used, and I think that they're accurate. I think 301 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 9: that they're apt in so many different ways. We know 302 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 9: it's a big person's draft. Offensive line, defense, especially defensive line, 303 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 9: get some pass rushers in it. Linebacker and crew is good. 304 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 9: I think there's depth in the secondary. I'm not sure 305 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 9: it's spectacular, but there's depth there. There are good players 306 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 9: to be had. Flip it over on the offensive side. 307 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 9: If we're gonna keep playing football the way we've been 308 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 9: playing it for the last ten to fifteen years. 309 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 8: Then there will always be receivers. 310 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 9: Because nowadays, these kids are going through Pop warn Here, 311 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 9: we're going to a Pop Warner game. 312 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 8: Recently they're playing out a gun. 313 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's crazy and you're all right. 314 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 8: In my age, we didn't. 315 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 9: There was no thro growing right, so you're seeing it 316 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 9: and now they're doing that. 317 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 8: They're middle school, they're pitching it around. 318 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 9: When I was a child, Texas kids, the only time 319 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 9: they ever saw the ball in there was on a 320 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 9: pitch off the wishbone. Now Texas kids are receivers and quarterbacks, 321 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 9: pitchers and catchers. Just how the game has changed. So 322 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 9: you're always gonna have the receivers. That won't be a problem. 323 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 9: I think there's some decent tight ends in this draft. 324 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 9: I absolutely did two of them. I think going the 325 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 9: first round, a ton of runners. Now, how many going 326 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 9: in the first round. I know one's a lock. After that, 327 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 9: who knows, but there's a chance for a few to 328 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 9: possibly go depending. But after that, it's a lot of 329 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 9: runners that are in this draft and we'll just see 330 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 9: where it goes from Our quarterbacks. Look, last year we 331 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 9: had six in the first twelve picks. It's not gonna 332 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 9: be the same. But that doesn't mean that it's abysmal, 333 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 9: because it's not. I think it's a good draft. It's 334 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 9: a deep draft, and it's gonna be fun to watch. 335 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 9: It just may not be as sexy as six quarterbacks 336 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 9: in the first twelve picks last year. 337 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Charles, I liked that that you started with kind 338 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: of the defensive line, in the edge rushers, because that's obviously, 339 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: you know, when you talk about the Atlanta Falcons, it's 340 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: kind of starting right there for them. 341 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 9: But it'd been been starting with that conversation in Atlanta 342 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 9: for a lot of. 343 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: Years, don't you know, Right, John Abraham, where have you gone? 344 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 8: Yeah's aund around Vic Beasley one year? 345 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: Yep, it was what a year it was. 346 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 8: It was a phenomenal year. 347 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 9: Got seven for US fumbles, fifteen and a half sacks. 348 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 9: He was a spectacular It was great. 349 00:14:59,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: It was a great year. 350 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: So the Falcons need a player that is gonna kind 351 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: of recreate something like that. 352 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: And you traded up for Abdul Carter that I mean 353 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: all the way and if I was making a call, hey, right, 354 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: And he's. 355 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: A good player, he's a good players, the excellent player. 356 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: He's clearly kind of the number one. 357 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 9: Yeah. 358 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: Right, and then it just feels like with this class 359 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: and maybe this goes back to the mean. 360 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: Potatoes type of that. 361 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: There's a huge maybe Tier two, tier three. So I'm 362 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: curious picking at fifteen is that the right kind of 363 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: value for this or could you get a similar type 364 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: of player later in the first round. 365 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 9: I think later in the first round you get a 366 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 9: similar player. Someone said it the other day. I was 367 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 9: reading it and said, the same player you pick at 368 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 9: fifteen might be the same player you pick. 369 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 8: At fifty five. 370 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 371 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's that type of a draft. 372 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 9: I know for us, we're like, what, oh, you're kidding me. 373 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 9: It just means that they're very similarly constructed. And so 374 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 9: the grades, you know, it's gonna be either beholder team 375 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 9: of the beholder, Right, Do I like him versus him? 376 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 8: That sort of a thing. 377 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 9: But are you gonna spend it on a non abdual 378 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 9: carter at fifteen? 379 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 8: That's gonna be interesting to see what Terry font Know 380 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 8: and his crew decide to do. 381 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 9: Do they have that type of a grade on a 382 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 9: Donovan Azeraku from from Boston College, Mike Green, Thank you, 383 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 9: Mike Green from Marshall okay. 384 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 8: Who didn't have any numbers when he was in Virginia. 385 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 9: But boy, they really came together, Marshall, which means you 386 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 9: gotta do the backstory. What happened in Virginia that you 387 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 9: had no numbers? What's happened here? Did you grow up? 388 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 9: Did you get better? Was all these things? This is 389 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 9: what Terry fount know and his staff do. They do, 390 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 9: and they do the investigation. They're not gonna report dust 391 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 9: on it, nor should that, But that's how you have 392 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 9: to ferret it out, find out what's out there for you. 393 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 8: Or can you wait and get a guy like David. 394 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 9: Walker from Central Arkansas who supposed to be too short 395 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 9: and this set and everything, but he gets about fifteen 396 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 9: sacks a year even at Central Arkansas. Before that at 397 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 9: Southern Arkansas. He choose up that purple field there and 398 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 9: he went to the Senior Bowl and was not the 399 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 9: stage was not too big. He was really good at 400 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 9: the Senior Ball. But his measurables won't be great. But 401 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 9: I remember named Elvis Duomerville did not have good measurables. 402 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: Did you ever see his career went on to be 403 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good player, good player. 404 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 9: Right, So these are the things that you have to 405 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 9: weigh and see, and as we know, it's an inexact science. 406 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: I'm curious to that point, when you're kind of evaluating talent, 407 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 4: you're looking at at what's going on in the college landscape. 408 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 8: What do you value most. 409 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 4: Kind of the productivity and the resume of someone or 410 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: the potential of someone. Because I feel like that's what 411 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: this draft class is void. 412 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 9: Did you ask the right I mean, that's a great 413 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 9: question because we have kind of framed it where and 414 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 9: let's go back to two drafts ago. Trayvon Walker goes 415 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 9: one to Jacksonville. Aiden Hudson goes to to Michigan. Tell 416 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 9: me when I'm wrong, because I don't mind being I 417 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 9: don't like to be wrong, but none of these I don't. 418 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 8: Mind being told. Hey, hold it, you're off track. 419 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 9: Trayvon Walker went one to Jacksonville, and we said that 420 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 9: they love traits, they value traits, Aiden Hutchinson productivity. They 421 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 9: took traits over productivity. Now, truth of the matter is, 422 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 9: Trayvon Walker, in the defense he played in Georgia, was 423 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 9: not asked to do the things that they were going 424 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 9: to ask him doing Jacksonville. So they projected that he 425 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 9: could start to do these things, and I believe he's 426 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 9: been back to back double digit sacks the last two years. 427 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 8: Hutchinson. 428 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 9: We knew the productivity was there, but we said it 429 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 9: so often we almost damned him a faint praise and 430 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 9: made it sound like he wasn't athletic. 431 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: Have you seen eight Hunchson play. 432 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 9: He's pretty don athletic. Okay, so we missed on that part. 433 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 9: Your point is well taken. I think you've got to 434 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 9: find a way to infuse them, right, Yeah, his traits 435 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 9: really jump off the screen. 436 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 8: But does he have well may okay. 437 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 9: If he doesn't have productivity, why yeah, okay, flip it over. 438 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 8: To eighton Hudgson. 439 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 9: You want questions, go to Penn States outside pass rushers. 440 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 9: For the last few years, A. Dafe Oway was known 441 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 9: as Jason at Penn State. Do you remember many sacks 442 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 9: he has senior year at Penn State? 443 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 8: How many zero? 444 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 445 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 9: First round pick? Okay, chop Robinson last year? Dynamic? Right, 446 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 9: every time he said, oh my god, how many sacks 447 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 9: of John Robinson last year? 448 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 8: Penn State four and a half? Yeah, it was a 449 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 8: dual carter. 450 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 9: We don't have that issue this year, right, twelve and 451 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 9: a half sacks twenty three and a half for a loss, 452 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 9: But you have to examine why was it that way? 453 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 8: What was going on there? Well, Chop Robinson was terrific. 454 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 9: The second half of last year's great right, always playing 455 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 9: fine for Baltimore, although he hasn't hit the double digit 456 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 9: sacks yet and now here comes out of dual Carter 457 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 9: doing his best Michael Parsons impression even wear number eleven. Yeah, 458 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 9: that was started by LeVar Arrington at Penn State. 459 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 8: Love it. 460 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: You know the Falcons have a Penn State alum of 461 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: their own and Arnold F. Kady he kind of came 462 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: on strong late in the year. Do you think that's 463 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: something that that's real that you believe he maybe can 464 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: turn a corner like he did many times late in 465 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: the year. 466 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 8: But I think it's real. 467 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 9: But the best pass rushers in the world get help, yeah, 468 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 9: because you get have some people on that opposite side 469 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 9: to balance things out. Otherwise the three of us are 470 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 9: past protected that one person, yep, right, and that makes 471 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 9: it hard and even if they'll run through us, but 472 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 9: we may hold them. 473 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 8: Up to like our chances don't. 474 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 9: So you want to have a balanced plate and multiple 475 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 9: people who could do things to. 476 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 8: Create those one on ones for. 477 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 9: Your best pass rushers because they have to rush against 478 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 9: two all the time. You're cutting down the number of 479 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 9: their opportunities. It's like a hitter in baseball. You want 480 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 9: all their app bats to count and you really want 481 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 9: to give them a chance to get that get that 482 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 9: good swing in. 483 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: I'm curious now that we're talking on you know, Falcons, 484 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: roster construction and everything. Jean Robinson, Drake London, Michael Pennocks Junior. 485 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 4: Those those three that I think everyone, even Michael Pennock 486 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: said it recently that he's like, I feel like one 487 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 4: of one, one for one, we have a really good, 488 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 4: solid offense. Where do you feel like this offense can 489 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 4: go with Michael Pennocks now fully the guy for it. 490 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 9: Cannot wait to see full time because you can turn 491 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 9: on Michael Pennix's tape at Washington. The deep ball was 492 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 9: a big part of what they did. Yeah, and last 493 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 9: year I felt like there's a little bit of a 494 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 9: misnomer that they just couldn't connect on, like, oh, he 495 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 9: needs time and he's got time everysear I think that's true, 496 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 9: but there's also during the season he would work red 497 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 9: zone with these guys. 498 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 8: He would do. 499 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 9: Those what they call the mamba period. They do the 500 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 9: one on So he took those kind of snaps. It's 501 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 9: just gonna keep getting better time on task with those receivers. 502 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 9: Will work out. That'll be the next step. Kyle Pitts 503 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 9: potential is there. We know that everybody gets tired of potential. 504 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 9: But if he did it the first year, it's still 505 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 9: there and available to go do it and see if 506 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 9: he can rise his game up a little bit more 507 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 9: and provided another one of those targets. It stretches the 508 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 9: field downfield and of course obviously Bejean Tyler Algier. 509 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 8: They beat you up, all. 510 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 9: Right, Algier is that's a hard day deal. 511 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 8: With twenty five coming at me all the time. Not 512 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 8: to be doesn't. 513 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 9: But Je I'm gonna give you a little more of 514 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 9: the wiggling Tylers like I'm going through you. 515 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 7: It's easy. Fourth. 516 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, given the chance, this. 517 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 8: Love offensive line because they have the mentality, can you 518 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 8: build it up a little bit more? I think so. 519 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 9: I think there's some guys, but all in all, I 520 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 9: like everything they've got over there. Listen, division title was 521 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 9: in their grass last year. They just let it get away. 522 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 9: They've got the opportunity to rectify that this year. 523 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 524 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: When I mean when you look at the division and 525 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: kind of the Falcons enter this offseason. 526 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 9: NFC South is just always volatile. It just always is volatile. 527 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 9: It's one of the it's not a mystery as much 528 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 9: as a curiosity. 529 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 8: If you go back and just trace. 530 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 9: The years of the NFC South, it is there's a 531 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 9: lot of last right every year. I think this year 532 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 9: was the first year and all know how many years 533 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 9: in the NFL we did not have a worse the 534 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 9: first in the division. So that's nineteen in the last 535 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 9: twenty one years or twenty out of last twenty two. 536 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 9: That's unbelievable, right, But the playoff teams change all the time. 537 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 9: What's crazy in the NFC South is Tampa Bay's won 538 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 9: at four straight years. No one saw that coming, right, 539 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 9: and they didn't do it in dominant fashion. 540 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: Right. 541 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 8: Every year it feels like the winning team in the 542 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 8: division is ten and seven or nine and eight. Yeah, 543 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 8: I mean there for the taking if other teams want 544 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 8: to come up and go get it. 545 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 4: I mean it's one of those things where it's we're 546 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 4: going into week sixteen seventeen and we don't really know 547 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 4: it's all up in the air. 548 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 8: It's all up in the air with a great opportunity. 549 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: Well, we definitely want to get you, you know, out 550 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 4: of here, but we do have some rapid fire questions 551 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: for you to wrap things up. You ready, I didn't 552 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 4: sign No, I know you need to do some stretches, 553 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 4: like really get low up. 554 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 8: Yeah, oh boy, did I hydrate it? 555 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: All? Right? 556 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 4: Question number one, if you're Cherry font No and you're 557 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 4: sitting there at number fifteen on the first night of 558 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 4: the draft, what are you doing? 559 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 9: That's such a loaded question because I've got to know 560 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 9: what the first fourteen have done. But if somehow, some 561 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 9: way right which I don't expect it to happen, you know, 562 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 9: a pass rusher you're in love with, you go get 563 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 9: I don't know that there will be that guy. 564 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 8: Because Carter's not going to get down to fifteen. 565 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 9: I don't know if there's another guy that Terry fotten 566 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 9: One and staff would value. 567 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 8: They said they might, But. 568 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 9: I really want to I really want to start trying 569 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 9: to have someone who's going to affect Baker Mayfield. 570 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got to affect him. I've got to affect 571 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 8: because that offense pretty good. In Temple. I know Liam 572 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 8: Cohen's gone, but they're still going to be pretty good. 573 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 9: That's where I would want to go with it. Other 574 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 9: than that is such a big person's draft. If there's 575 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 9: a way to fortify my offensive line, I might look 576 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 9: there too. 577 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: So we've kind of like tiptoed around this a little bit. 578 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: But it feels like if the opportunity to trade back 579 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: in the first round where to present itself. 580 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: Is that something that you not a bad thing? 581 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 9: Just keep acquiring talent, you know, And I think that 582 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 9: people are doing that. What's interesting is obviously Tennessee has 583 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 9: the number one overall pick. The last time I had 584 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 9: the number one overall pick was twenty sixteen. John Robinson 585 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 9: was a general manager. Everybody asked him, are you what 586 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 9: about the first pick? He goes, hey, hey, King's ransom 587 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 9: and someone can have it. 588 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 8: That's a year. 589 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 9: The Los Angeles Rams came up and gave him the 590 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 9: Kings ransom and they took Jared Goff. 591 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 8: The Eagles came up, jumped the Browns. 592 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 9: Actually there's Browns traded out because they didn't get the 593 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 9: guy they wanted, which was Golf, and the Eagles went 594 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 9: to and took Carson went Tennessee and going at eight 595 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 9: Jack Conklin, who was an All pros rookie year and 596 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 9: acquired extra picks to help four to five. You remember Tennessee 597 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 9: had a nice little run boat in there. I don't 598 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 9: know that there's a King's Ransom at number one this year. 599 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 9: I don't know that you're gonna get the same to 600 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 9: come up and you know who is going to come 601 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 9: up and want one of those quarterbacks? Likely or is 602 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 9: there someone who says I gotta have Abdul Carter. Yeah, 603 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 9: because I don't know that there's another player in this 604 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 9: draft that were coming up at one. 605 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 7: To make that kind of a move makes sense. 606 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: Last question, we'll let you go. 607 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: When you look at. 608 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 8: Guys, I didn't really wrap it for no. 609 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 7: Of course, this is great. 610 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 4: I love the conversation when you look at the house just. 611 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 9: Burned down, you know, and oh it's it's gone. 612 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: It's like, don't worry about it, It's all good. 613 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 4: When you look at guys who who could potentially go 614 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: in the first round of this draft, is there a 615 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 4: name of a guy that you're just like really looking 616 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 4: forward to seeing what they could. 617 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: Do at pro level. 618 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 9: Listen, I've Mason Graham has gotten my eye in such 619 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 9: a way as a defensive tack. 620 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 8: Did you guys see him today in person? 621 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: No, No, we haven't. 622 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 4: We've been at this table. We've been stuck to the table. 623 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 8: Well they go on drills that will you be around tomorrow? 624 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 9: Will? 625 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 8: Okay? If you see him in person, I think you're 626 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 8: gonna go that's Mason Graham. 627 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 9: He does not present like this, this hulking defensive tackle. 628 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 9: He just looks like a guy And then you turn 629 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 9: on the tape and people are flying backwards out of 630 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 9: their stance. He's heavy handed, his balance is incredible, great 631 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 9: lateral movement, can get up field and make plays, can 632 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 9: take on double teams and hold the point of attack. 633 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 8: He's just a football playing dude. 634 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 9: But when I come watch him come out of a stance 635 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 9: and explode and double thlump someone in the chest, my 636 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 9: chest hurts. I'm very eager to watch him. Look, Travis 637 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 9: Hunter is going to be phenomenal. I get all that. 638 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 9: I'm eager to see that big guy work because I 639 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 9: think someone's gonna grab him early. And it reminds me 640 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 9: a little bit of the Rams last year getting verse 641 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 9: yeah and then getting who's the second guy, they get 642 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 9: a fist Braden fist, both of them from Florida State, 643 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 9: and how they transform their defensive front. 644 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 8: Mason Graham's gonna make someone really happy. I believe, love it. 645 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for sitting down with us to 646 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: really appreciate. 647 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 9: Your favorite name in the draft is tomka Hemingway with 648 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 9: that defensive tackle South Carolina. 649 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 8: Turn on the tape and watch. 650 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 9: Him play wildcat quarterback and you're going to be a 651 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 9: shock defense defensive lineman and typically defensive lineman and the 652 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 9: Wildcat they grab the ball, they follow people, they run 653 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 9: over people. 654 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 8: I saw him jump. 655 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: Cut heck, yeah, okay, turn it on and call me 656 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: and say that can't wait. 657 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 4: We'll let you know. 658 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Charles, Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. 659 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: We are here at the NFL Combine with Robert May's Robert, 660 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: thank you for joining us to be here. So I 661 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: want to, I guess, start with kind of just a 662 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: big picture look at the Atlanta Falcons where they where 663 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: in your mind they are kind of right now in 664 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 2: the NFC South that hierarchy. What they need to do 665 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: to maybe surpass the Bucks and kind of be the 666 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: front runner in that division. So what do you make 667 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: of the Falcons. 668 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 6: I think obviously there was neck and neck with the 669 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 6: Bucks all year last year, and if you're looking at 670 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 6: to me, the most important consideration for both of those teams, 671 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 6: the Bucks lost their offensive coordinator. The Falcons are keeping theirs. 672 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 6: And so the fact that now you get to roll 673 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 6: into year two with the same offensive structure, the same 674 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 6: voices in that building, a young quarterback, you have to 675 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 6: feel pretty excited about that, right, is there's change in 676 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 6: some of these other buildings, and especially in Tampa, you 677 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 6: get to build on what you did previously. So I 678 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 6: think the trajectory on the offense is undeniable, right. I mean, 679 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 6: it's very easy to get excited about that. It's very 680 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 6: easy to get excited about what Michael did last year. 681 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 6: He can throw the heck out of the ball, and 682 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 6: so you drop that sort of element into that group 683 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 6: of Scoe position players. The offensive line. We'll talk about Dolman. 684 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 6: There's some questions there, but you have to feel good 685 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 6: about that. On defense, there's a reason they made a change, right, 686 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 6: I think that they understood they needed more on that 687 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 6: side of the ball. Talking to Tory yesterday about this, 688 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 6: the Jeff Rolbrigg move, to me is so interesting because 689 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 6: you have Rahee Morris as somebody who comes from the Rams. 690 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 6: It's an odd front defense, you know, it's outside linebackers, 691 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 6: and then Jeff comes from a very different world than there. 692 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 6: So the fact that they were willing to make that 693 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 6: sort of pivot I understand it. 694 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: Right. 695 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 6: You're trying to find the best defensive coordinator, and when 696 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 6: you're a team like Atlanta where the defensive pieces are 697 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 6: a little bit more fungible, there aren't one or two players. 698 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 6: Here's a good example when the Browns Jim Schwartz a 699 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 6: couple of years ago, they were hiring a four down 700 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 6: defensive coordinator because they had Miles Carrett. The Falcons don't 701 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 6: really have that guy up front where you think we 702 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 6: have to build around him in this specific way. So 703 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 6: I think to change what they were doing because they 704 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 6: just wanted the best defensive coach possible. That to me 705 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 6: speaks to how blank of a slate it really is 706 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 6: on that side of the ball, and what potential avenues 707 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 6: are available to them. 708 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: I never thought of it that way, with the blank slate. 709 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: I like that a lot. 710 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: But let's start with like the offense here and although 711 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 3: Michael Penix juniorally played in three games last year, what 712 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: do you see out of those games in the potential 713 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five with the full slate. 714 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 6: I think if you were trying to trace back to 715 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 6: why they wanted him right, think back to who Zach 716 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 6: Robinson and Raheem Morris were watching every day. Was Matthew 717 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 6: Stafford And the way that the ball kind of jumps 718 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 6: out of Matthew Stafford's hand. It's explosive, and that's what 719 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 6: Michael Penix is as a throat. I mean, you look 720 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 6: at some of those throws outside the numbers and how 721 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 6: he pushes the ball to that area. 722 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 7: There are only so many. 723 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 6: Human beings on planet Earth that can do that, and 724 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 6: so it's remarkable. And so he's such a twitchy player, 725 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 6: and it's it's funny. I Kimber, I think I was 726 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 6: talking to Roman Dunday about this is the super We 727 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 6: were talking about how Michael never scrambled in college and 728 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 6: then he runs like a four or five forty come by. 729 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: It's like a crazy athlete and you just wouldn't know. 730 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 6: You see it manifest and how twitchy he is as 731 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 6: a player. But that explosiveness really shows up. So I 732 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 6: think it's just very easy to get excited about the juice, 733 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 6: Like you just feel that as it kind of creeps 734 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 6: into the offense overall, and it's easy to get excited 735 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 6: about it. 736 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: And I think you know, you mentioned kind of him 737 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: playing from the pocket. That was something I asked for 738 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: more about late in the year, Like, was that one 739 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: of the attractive qualities to you? Because I think a 740 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: lot of when you look at the young quarterbacks that 741 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: come in the league, and they oftentimes rely on their legs, 742 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: right like Drake May this year is a good example, 743 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: phenomenal runner. I would like him to run a lot, 744 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: But Michael Pennick's kind of already having that ability to 745 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: process quickly be comfortable in the pocket, you know, was 746 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: a big factor. But then that arm talent, like he 747 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: just kind of can't coach it. And so in your mind, 748 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: when if you're looking at Zach Robinson what this offense 749 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: can be and what he can kind of scheme up, 750 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: is Michael Pennick it much better suited for his vision 751 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: than maybe a Kirk Cousins was. And do you think 752 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: that offense is poised to take maybe a little bit 753 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: of a next step there. 754 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 6: It just makes you more dynamic, right, and just how 755 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 6: limited Kirk was physically last year, even like some of 756 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 6: the under center play action things that you can do 757 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 6: moving the pocket a little bit, The explosive plays you 758 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 6: can hunt out and the different ways you can hunt 759 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 6: them out changes when you have somebody that is as 760 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 6: dynamic physically as Michael Pennox can be. So in the moment, 761 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 6: we all knew it was controversial, right, because of how 762 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 6: many resources you're allocating to one single position. One of 763 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 6: the benefits of drafting a quarterback eighth overall is that 764 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 6: you get cheap quarterback play for several straight years. They 765 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 6: don't necessarily get that because of what they spent on Kirk, 766 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 6: But at the end of the road, what matters most 767 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 6: in the NFL is do you have a quarterback? Yeah, 768 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 6: And so even if they had to overinvest a little 769 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,479 Speaker 6: bit to wind up with that conclusion, if that if 770 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 6: he's good, we're not gonna worry about what Kirk Cousins' 771 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 6: cap hit is in twenty twenty six. That doesn't matter 772 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 6: to anybody. So that's the most important thing here. 773 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 3: There's so many young options on that offense too, that 774 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: you're plugging in a young quarterback with it, how much 775 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: how bright is the Falcon's future offensively, if Michael Pennix 776 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: is the perfect fit that they think. 777 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 7: He is as bright as anybody's right. 778 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of the time when you have 779 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 6: these guys who are drafted first overall, they don't really 780 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 6: have a group of skill position players that you get 781 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 6: excited about. We're so early in the process with these 782 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 6: teams that are rebuilding. If you draft a quarterback in 783 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 6: the top ten, you probably don't have a lot of pieces, 784 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 6: And so you look at the situation not only with 785 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 6: the skill position players, but this is an offensive line 786 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 6: that has four capable starters on it, and so the 787 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 6: situation overall is very good. I mean, it's the same 788 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 6: reason when we were sitting here last year in the 789 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 6: same room talking about Kirk to Atlanta. What was so 790 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 6: enticing about it is everything else was kind of already 791 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 6: in place. Yeah, you're dropping the quarterback in exactly, that's 792 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 6: all still true. The quarterback is just different, and so 793 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 6: I think that's why it's easy to get worked up 794 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 6: over not only what their present looks like, but what 795 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 6: the future looks like as well. 796 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: You talked a little bit about Drew d I'm really curious, 797 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: you know, because the continuity along the offensive line has 798 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: been a true strength, kind of an underrated strength, I 799 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: think for Atlanta over the last few seasons. How important 800 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: in your mind is it to try to keep a 801 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: player like Drew Dolman so you keep that starting five 802 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: intact for as long as possible, or do you think 803 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: there are players of similar caliber they could replace them. 804 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 6: I think it's important because I do feel like the 805 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 6: center specifically being signed, that pivot point of your offensive line, 806 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 6: everything else flowing through that. Swapping that guy out is 807 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 6: always going to be a challenge. It makes that your 808 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 6: guards worse, not a ton worse. It's hard to make 809 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 6: Chris Litz from bad, right, but you do diminish the 810 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 6: players around him. But at the same time, it's like 811 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 6: you eventually have to skimp somewhere. You know, if you're 812 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 6: gonna be paying Jesse Bates, if you're gonna give Ajterrell 813 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 6: a contract extension, if you're going to try to spend 814 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 6: on defensive line, then potentially in free agency because you 815 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 6: need to revamp that room. You can't pay everybody you've 816 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 6: already paid Jake, you paid Chris, you pay Caleb McGarry, 817 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 6: so sometimes you're gonna have to cut some corners. And 818 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 6: I get this being the one where it's like, listen, 819 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 6: Drew's a good player, but can we get by with 820 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 6: a second round pick at that spot rather than paying 821 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 6: him fifteen million dollars a year. Sometimes you have to 822 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 6: make those concessions, sir. 823 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 3: We hit on the skill players a little bit, but 824 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: looking specifically at the Jehan Robinson, how have you seen 825 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 3: him grow? You're one year two and looking at year 826 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 3: three now. 827 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 6: We had him at the Super Bowl for a quick 828 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 6: minute and I was asking him about I think it 829 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 6: might have been the last touchdown he scored this year. 830 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 6: It was a game against Carolina in the last week 831 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 6: of the season, and it was a touchdown going to 832 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 6: the left side. And if you watch that run, the 833 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 6: patience is remarkable. He kind of tempos it in a 834 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 6: way where the blocks weren't connected at the beginning of 835 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 6: the play, but because of how he's moving and how 836 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 6: he waits for certain things to happen, the blocks ultimately 837 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 6: do get connected. Your blockers start attaching defenders and listening. 838 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 6: I asked him, I was essentially I showed him the 839 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 6: play was just tell me about what is going through 840 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 6: your mind in these moments and listening to him talk 841 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 6: about why he's making certain decisions, what sort of flashes 842 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 6: of color that he sees. He's a remarkably talented player, 843 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 6: but he's also a very smart and instinct player, that's it. 844 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 6: And so watching that growth and just his feel for 845 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 6: the position start to really take over, along with that 846 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 6: offensive line talent, along with the receiving talent that they have, 847 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 6: you kind of see it all falling into place at 848 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 6: the right time. And so when you take a running 849 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 6: back in the top ten, you want him to be 850 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 6: a game changing player. And I think that we're starting 851 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 6: to see the glimpses of what he can bring in 852 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 6: that way. 853 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 2: That's the way I kept thinking about him. Was almost 854 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 2: like Neo and the Matrix, like it just kind of 855 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 2: like slows. 856 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 7: Down a great analogy. 857 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: He's reading it. 858 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's never too fast too slow. He looks effortless. 859 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: The number of times that we saw just like kind 860 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 2: of outside runs inside the five yard line where the 861 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: nearest defender was still inside the tackle box was like 862 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 2: insane to me this year. So, yeah, Bajean was a 863 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: joy to watch. But let's quickly flip over to the 864 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. Are the Falcons defensively really 865 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 2: just kind of like a pass rusher away or do 866 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: you see more? Or hey, you still need maybe some 867 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: help over the number two corner spot. You'd like to 868 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: have a long term second safety alongside Jesse Bates. How 869 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: do you view Atlanta's defense as a little bit of a. 870 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 6: Pro That's exactly what I would say. I think that 871 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 6: you know you're gonna move on from Justin Simmons this year. 872 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 6: Potentially he's getting a little bit older. Do you need 873 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 6: another outside corner? Those will be two positions I at 874 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 6: least be thinking about, like where where are the avenues 875 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 6: to those guys in free agency or the draft? But 876 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 6: let's be honest, like this team has been searching for 877 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 6: a pass rusher since John Abraham. 878 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: It is I truly. 879 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 6: Do think if you look at like a talent gap 880 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 6: at one specific position in the NFL, along with like 881 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 6: Brown's quarterback, the Falcons pass rusher is right in that 882 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 6: same conversation. 883 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 7: And it's not like they haven't invested in it. 884 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 6: They've tried to tack McKinley, Vic Beasley, and they've tried 885 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 6: a million different times to fix this, and for whatever, 886 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 6: maybe they're just cursed, Like I don't know if there's 887 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 6: something else going on, put that on us. But at 888 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 6: some point they're going to get this right. And so 889 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 6: whether or not that's you spend a little bit in 890 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 6: free agency, whether that's you use a pick at the 891 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 6: top of the draft to find that guy, it is 892 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 6: a need and it's been in need for as long 893 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 6: as I've been following the NFL. 894 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: It seems like, yes, yes, it is all right, We're 895 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 2: gonna do some really quick, rapid fire things for you 896 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: and then lets you get out of here. At number fifteen, 897 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: you're the falcons Is edge rusher, You're pick there are you. 898 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: Looking at potentially another pick? 899 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 6: The only reason I would lean that way is the 900 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 6: way I understand the draft board. 901 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 7: And I will be honest about this. This is very 902 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 7: early for me, right. 903 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 6: Like I'm two weeks a move from the NFL season. 904 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 6: We have Dane Brugler who works at the Athletic. I 905 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 6: don't need to know anything about the draft to do so. 906 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 6: But when I look at his initial big board and 907 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 6: I think about the talent pools in this class specifically, 908 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 6: it really does feel like they're going to be ed 909 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 6: Rusher's worth taking there. So if need and value wine up, 910 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 6: that's typically where you should go. And for the Falcons specifically, 911 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 6: it does feel like that's probably going to happen. 912 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 3: Right, Would you trade or would you stay at fifteen? 913 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 6: It depends, right, And so I think that this is 914 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 6: all about how you tier guys. 915 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 7: Right. 916 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 6: So let's say there are six edg rushers we're taking 917 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 6: in the first round. You think that three of those 918 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 6: guys are worth taking in the top twelve, you think 919 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 6: the three of those guys maybe start to get a 920 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 6: little bit muddled in the back half of the first round. 921 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 6: If those three guys that are worth going in the 922 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 6: top fifteen are already gone, do you trade back because 923 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 6: you're comfortable being in that second tier of players. I 924 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 6: think it's all about where you think the tier breaks 925 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 6: at that position are. 926 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: And last one for you, the Falcons win the NFCSU 927 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five if if. 928 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 6: The offense continues on its current trajectory right, if this 929 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 6: is a team that can definitively be let's call it 930 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 6: a top offense, like one of the borderline elite offenses 931 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 6: in the league. If that continues in the same route 932 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 6: and your defense gets too competency, Right, Can you be 933 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 6: the eighteenth best defense in the league because you hit 934 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 6: on an edge rusher, because you made one or two 935 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 6: pointed strikes in free agency, and because Jeff Obrick is 936 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 6: the right guy. I mean, if that's the case, then 937 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 6: I don't think there's anybody in the NFCC out. I 938 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 6: think the Bucks are a well run organization. I have 939 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 6: faith in their continuity offensively, even with a new offensive 940 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 6: coordinator with they'll be competitive again. But I don't think 941 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 6: there's any juggernaut down there in that division that you 942 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 6: need to be one of the best three or four 943 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 6: teams in the league to win the NFC South. I 944 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 6: think that there are definitely a lot of paths and 945 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 6: timelines where you can imagine the Falcons being that sort 946 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 6: of team. 947 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 2: Awesome, Robert Mays, thank you so much for joining us. 948 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: Let's work at the athletic We're here with Nate Tice. Nate, 949 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. 950 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks for having me a former Falcons employees, so 951 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 10: always feel at home and I'm like talking to you guys. Yeah, 952 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 10: back in the always Yeah, it's a Falcon always a falcon. 953 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 7: I guess I don't know. That's usually just a raider 954 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 7: will work. It'll work for this too. 955 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've been dying to talk to you about 956 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 2: Michael PENNOCKX. What'd you make of his his kind of 957 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 2: three starts? What you see from him? 958 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 7: What do you expect? 959 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 10: Just like in college, He's going to go for it. 960 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 10: He's a you know, he's a high risk taker, which 961 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 10: I love. I love quarterbacks. I pushed the ball and 962 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 10: I feel like that's something that it's easier to rain 963 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 10: in coursequarterback like that, like hey, give me take a 964 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 10: check down here or something like that. 965 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 7: Then try to push someone to be more aggressive. So 966 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 7: I love that with him. 967 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 10: He's got plenty of arm strengths, like really good arm 968 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 10: could push the ball to the outside. Still things where 969 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,479 Speaker 10: maybe some improvement working over the middle, some of the things, 970 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 10: some timing throws over the middle. I think that's where 971 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 10: a big area improvement could be for him. But there 972 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 10: are so many good flashes that we especially on passing 973 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 10: downs like third down, second a long, tougher situations where 974 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 10: he's willing to chuck it like it might not be 975 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 10: the perfect log but going, but I do think that's 976 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 10: a strong attribute to his game. And when you have 977 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 10: players like Drake London that can go up and make plays, okay, 978 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 10: I'd much rather give those guys. 979 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 7: A chance at the ball. 980 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 10: So I do really like that aspect of Panics's game 981 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 10: and something that's like fun because that creates big plays 982 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 10: sometimes for the defense. 983 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 7: But a lot of times for the offense. But I 984 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 7: do like that part of his game. 985 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 2: How important, though, is that element of being able to 986 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 2: throw over the middle, because I like you look around 987 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 2: the league the best quarterbacks that is the hallmark I 988 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 2: think of today's NFL is being able to dice teams 989 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 2: up over the middle. 990 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, I've kind of liken it to a basketball player 991 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 10: that can or can't shoot a three. It's like, if 992 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 10: you don't throw over the middle, you have be really 993 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 10: good at other aspects. You're throwing outside or rushing. Usually 994 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 10: the archetype that usually have guys throwing to the outside 995 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 10: and running are Jalen Hurtz, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, Daniel Jones, 996 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 10: those that's kind of that archetype. And I don't know 997 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 10: you know this about Michael Pennix. He doesn't like to 998 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 10: run much, So you know he's a good athlete, but 999 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 10: he wants to be a pocket passer, which is another 1000 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 10: thing I like about him. Is tough, but throwing over 1001 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 10: the middle is create It's the juiciest area. It creates explosives. 1002 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 10: It doesn't put as much on the receivers to win 1003 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 10: because if you're throwing always to the outside, those guys 1004 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 10: have to win one on once. 1005 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 7: It's isoball. 1006 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 10: But if you throw over the middle, that can be 1007 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 10: more zone beaters, that can be more about the scheme 1008 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 10: and the quarterback throwing a guy open. So it's just 1009 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 10: I keep referring to always like the juiciest areas because 1010 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 10: that's where yacht comes. That's where big plays come that 1011 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 10: aren't as hard as the receiver on the receiver to 1012 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 10: make a play. So it's a big element that I 1013 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 10: always look for in quarterbacks. Usually that's who I prefer 1014 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 10: as prospects as well. You can get better at it, 1015 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 10: but it's just unless you're good at other areas, which 1016 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 10: Panix is good throwing to the outside. 1017 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 7: It's just it's another thing that you need to add to. 1018 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 10: Game, like a basketball player wearing a shoot three, So 1019 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 10: like that's an exact type. 1020 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 3: Of way realistically, what kind of expectations or benchmarks can 1021 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 3: you set for him in this first full season, because 1022 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: it's still only a year two for. 1023 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 10: Him, right, I think shoot, just being like making sure 1024 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 10: he's the guy, you know, Like, I think that's more 1025 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 10: than anything. 1026 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, really, I think that's a win going like after that. 1027 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 10: I think in a year from now, when you're like, okay, 1028 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 10: we're good here, Now we can go. I mean, obviously 1029 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 10: they're focusing on defense in this draft. It's who they 1030 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 10: seem to be having there. But I think it's a 1031 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 10: good ecosystem. Will see how the contracts kind of work 1032 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 10: out and what kind of what moves on for there. 1033 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 10: But I think that it's knowing that he's okay, we 1034 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 10: can build around this, as opposed to still having questions, 1035 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 10: which means staying healthy, which has been a thing for 1036 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 10: him in college. Yeah it's been a while now, but 1037 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 10: still it is something that's part of his history. So 1038 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 10: just that is like in a year from now, he 1039 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 10: played all seventeen games, okay, and we're sure that this 1040 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 10: is the guy we can go for where he is tier. 1041 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 7: Wise and elite and all that, I. 1042 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 10: Don't think I think that's a secondary thing it's more 1043 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 10: just that you have a quality starter, because having a 1044 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 10: quality starter on a rookie contract is great. 1045 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 7: It's the best thing you can have. 1046 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 10: Even if he's not a top five guy, top ten guy, 1047 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 10: it's still a great thing to have. 1048 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 7: So I think that more than anything, that he's the guy. 1049 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 7: Keep the horse before the cart exactly. It's what you 1050 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 7: gotta do. 1051 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 10: The MVPs and Pro Bowl talk comes later. Gotta start 1052 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 10: with step one. 1053 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 7: Make sure it's competency. 1054 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 2: Somebody who absolutely proved that they're the guy this past 1055 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 2: year was Bajon Robinson. And I think one of the 1056 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 2: really underrated but interesting parts of this Falcons offense early 1057 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 2: on was how the run scheme under Dwayn Ledford, which 1058 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 2: was kind of tied to Arthur Smith, married with the 1059 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 2: Zach Robinson and that kind of whole influence and once 1060 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 2: they got it going, I mean, it was exceptional. So like, 1061 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 2: were you surprised that Bejon handled the workload that he 1062 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 2: did and had that relative success or were you kind 1063 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 2: of now, this is what he is. 1064 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: Is what he should be. 1065 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 7: And that's what he is, That's what he should be. 1066 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 10: I love Tyler Algier too, So that's what's hard about 1067 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 10: it is most guys. It's like because Bijon is special, 1068 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 10: like truly is special talent and seems like a special person. 1069 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 10: I've never met him, but yeah, and I'll always put 1070 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 10: you guys on out there. But with Aljier is that 1071 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 10: he's such a good player too. I've been like team 1072 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 10: should be looking to trade for him because he's a 1073 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 10: quality starter. It's just that he's behind. 1074 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: Like San Diego's back in the day with it's. 1075 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 10: Exactly the same way and Turner became Falcons. So yeah, 1076 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 10: I know, but that's that's how I feel when I 1077 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 10: watch him. But with Bijon, he can take that workload. 1078 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 10: That's why he has the build for it. He's two twenty, 1079 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 10: he's stout on top of being an exceptional athlete. And 1080 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 10: also something about him if he knows, is he doesn't 1081 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 10: take a lot of huge hits. He's a very graceful 1082 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 10: runner and a graceful follower, I guess, you know, absorbing 1083 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 10: contact and he's he can run through guys, but he's 1084 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 10: not a guy that that's how he lives and dies 1085 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 10: trucking a guy. It's just that he can do it. 1086 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 10: So why I say that is that you can get 1087 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 10: more touches if you're not. Every carry is like Earl 1088 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 10: Campbell running over putting his head into somebody. 1089 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 7: So I think because he has that. 1090 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 10: Finesse element, I mean, that's a compliment that that's actually 1091 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 10: a good thing too. And the fact that he can 1092 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 10: run every type of run concept. They ran a lot 1093 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 10: of zone this year and he's great at it. I've 1094 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 10: always been a name that a different run concept called 1095 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 10: duo he's better at and he can do that well. 1096 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 10: And then it's like, all right, if we want to 1097 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 10: pull guys, he can do that well. Oh yeah, And 1098 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 10: he's a good receiver and now he's become a very 1099 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 10: good blocker too, So it's just there's no reason to 1100 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 10: take him off the field. And it's such an advantage 1101 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 10: of what Robinson and Arthur Smith and these guys are 1102 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 10: used to as the Todd Gurly role, which is that 1103 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 10: guy's on the field ninety percent of the time. Because 1104 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 10: that's tough round defenses. They don't know that guy's always 1105 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 10: on the field. There's no tendency to break. So it's 1106 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 10: kind of with Bjon's like smoke him if he got him, 1107 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 10: So we got him, so let's get him out on 1108 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 10: the field. 1109 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 3: Foggy and Sid Mercedes Benz to keep it that analogy. 1110 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,240 Speaker 3: When you look at the offensive line, though, it's probably 1111 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 3: the only position group that does have a massive question mark. 1112 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,919 Speaker 3: Because Drew domend is becoming a free agent. How hard 1113 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 3: to the Falcons fight to keep him? 1114 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 10: There was and I'm blanking on his name right now. 1115 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 10: This is why I'm spoiled at the computer in front 1116 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 10: of me. Who's who is the spot starter for him 1117 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 10: this year? That I actually thought he did a fine job. 1118 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 10: But I think with somebody, there's gotta be someone that 1119 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 10: gets kind of move on from, like not a center. 1120 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 10: I think center is very important, especially with a guy 1121 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 10: like a young quarterback in Penix. I've been a big 1122 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,760 Speaker 10: believer always of having a center to solidify that young quarterback, 1123 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 10: not just like in a protection sense, but also just 1124 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 10: a football operation sense. When the greatest moves the Falcons 1125 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 10: did ten years ago was adding Alex Mack, you know, 1126 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 10: and that changed that changed the offense more than anything 1127 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 10: out any other you know, Sinda was nice too, but 1128 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 10: you know some of other guys that they had, But 1129 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 10: I that a good center, especially this type of offense 1130 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,760 Speaker 10: that puts a lot on the center. 1131 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 7: The Rams are one thing with Stafford. 1132 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 10: Stafford's played two undred games, you know, like that, like 1133 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 10: he can handle those things. A young quarterback, that's a 1134 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 10: lot to put on them. So that's why it is 1135 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 10: important to fill it, like and you have to have 1136 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 10: someone you trust because where you have the you have 1137 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 10: your hopefully your franchise quarterback. 1138 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 7: So important. 1139 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 10: Not sure how they find it because there's not a 1140 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 10: lot of their free agent centers out there, and then 1141 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 10: the drafts a lot of guys that are probably moving 1142 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 10: to center. Yeah, but that's that's the game. 1143 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 7: That's that's Yeah, if it was easy. 1144 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 10: Everyone to do it, you know, so, I but identifying 1145 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 10: a center it's very important, especially for a young guy. 1146 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 10: Chicago's going through the same thing right now. It's something 1147 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,399 Speaker 10: I think has stunted their quarterbacks fields. And then now 1148 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,360 Speaker 10: Williams is not having an actual long term center. It 1149 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 10: was all a bunch of backup options and B options 1150 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 10: and C options and D options. And last year they're 1151 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 10: putting so much on a rookie quarterback that I was 1152 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 10: just like, you guys, gotta get a veteran that's handling this. 1153 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 7: This is too much him. This is the NFL. 1154 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 10: In the first month They're like making him do everything, 1155 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 10: which long term is gonna be great, But no, it's 1156 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 10: a lot. 1157 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 7: It's a lot. Even the smartest guys, that's a lot 1158 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 7: of swimming they have to do. 1159 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: Well. 1160 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 2: I love that you brought up Alex Back because you're right, 1161 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 2: like when when he came in into Atlanta and was 1162 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 2: able to then handle all the checks at the line 1163 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 2: of scrimmage. 1164 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: What does it do? 1165 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 2: It allows Matt Ryan to free up that brain space 1166 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 2: to do other things right. 1167 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,879 Speaker 1: And it results in an MVP season for him. 1168 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, having a young quarterback being able to focus 1169 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 2: on a small part of the thing and said the 1170 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 2: whole operation at the. 1171 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: Line, yeah, is important. But let's flip over. 1172 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 2: We're here at the draft Falcons this offseason. I think 1173 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 2: it's all about defense, right, So I know, right, all right, 1174 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 2: what do you make of this draft class, particularly kind 1175 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 2: of defensive lineman, corners, things like that. 1176 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's a good draft in the defense, 1177 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 10: especially a defensive line. There's a lot of you know, 1178 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,879 Speaker 10: Abdul Carter's kind of become the consensus kind of edge 1179 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 10: one d lineman one, and then there's just a lot 1180 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 10: of interesting guys that have a lot of talent. Are 1181 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 10: they exactly Blue Chippers? Maybe not, maybe that next tier that, 1182 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 10: but have a lot of upside. 1183 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 7: So that's why I think is interesting about this class. 1184 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 10: Is even a guy like j a couple of Georgia 1185 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 10: guys Michael Williams and Walker and Jalen Walker Jalen or 1186 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 10: Jay Long Jalen Walker, Yes, and both of those guys. 1187 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 10: Walker is a tweener, but he's one of the twitchiest 1188 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 10: players in the draft. Michael Williams has been hurt this 1189 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 10: past year kind of the Georgia defense that rotates so 1190 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 10: of the guys, so it's more flashes and upside with him. 1191 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 10: But that's the thing is Williams has as much I 1192 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 10: upsize anyone in this draft that yeah, it's a five 1193 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 10: percent chance he hits it, ten percent chance he hits it. 1194 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 10: But if he hits that's a Pro Bowl talent. That's 1195 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 10: like a really really good player. So like, even a 1196 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,320 Speaker 10: guy like that's where the Falcons are drafting Walker. Probably 1197 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,399 Speaker 10: Walker's that tweener, but everyone Walker's funny because everyone loves them, 1198 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,399 Speaker 10: but everyone's like, I just don't know where to put them. 1199 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 10: It's like, but that's where I keep coming back to. 1200 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 10: It's like, but everyone has them of their top ten, 1201 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 10: top ten, top fifteen, so it's like, obviously everyone sees 1202 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 10: the talent. I'm just so curious where he ends up 1203 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 10: on the draft day. And then Shamar Stewart from Texas 1204 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 10: A and m so you get more. That's another athletic 1205 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 10: guy that he's on the inside. But it's like, Okay, 1206 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 10: his best ball might be in front of him, but 1207 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 10: it's a risk because you're just betting on traits and 1208 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,800 Speaker 10: are the Falcons in a position to bet on traits 1209 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 10: or get a guy that maybe has a high floor. 1210 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 2: That's it's a scary proposition, very scary right when you need, 1211 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, for a long time, this has been 1212 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 2: the thing. 1213 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 1: You want to get it right. And when you're looking 1214 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: at kind. 1215 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,320 Speaker 2: Of a group of guys who you can find fault 1216 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 2: with any of them and they're all projection to some 1217 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 2: sort exactly, it's a little scary. 1218 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 7: It is. 1219 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,359 Speaker 10: And that's like even with mikel is that I would 1220 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 10: like him on a winning team that he doesn't have 1221 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 10: to be the dude right away and then he can 1222 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 10: progress to be the dude, and that that Falcons are 1223 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 10: not in that position defensively right now. Like they offense 1224 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 10: were good, but defensively they don't have that other guy 1225 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 10: to take a load off of him. So yeah, that's 1226 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 10: where shoot. And then there's guys on defensive tackle. Derek 1227 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 10: Harmon I'm very high on from Oregon. He's kind of 1228 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 10: the range where the Falcons are drafting right now too. 1229 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 10: But again, he's more I don't see him ever being 1230 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 10: more than a five sack guy. It's just more he's 1231 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 10: very he's hyper useful, you can line up all across 1232 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 10: the defensive line, can play all four downs, but it's 1233 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,240 Speaker 10: more than he's good at everything. 1234 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 7: But he's not that upside tense sack guy. 1235 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 10: But then you get into the whole argument, do we 1236 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,879 Speaker 10: just build up a whole bunch of five six sack 1237 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 10: guys and. 1238 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: Feel like that's what they drafted last year. 1239 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 2: It's like these guys who are long and strong and 1240 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 2: can be just all over the place. 1241 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah, and I like Dorlest a lot too, 1242 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 10: so like those Yeah, another organ guys, So no, but 1243 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 10: those are That's that's kind of what the group of this. 1244 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 7: But it's a lot of good players. 1245 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,919 Speaker 10: I don't want to like make like make it sound 1246 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,879 Speaker 10: like I'm low on these guys. I'm actually very high 1247 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 10: on all It's just that they're not perfect prospects. There 1248 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 10: are no perfect prospects, but they're not that like clear 1249 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 10: oh yeah, blue Chipper, Oh yeah, that guys the top 1250 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 10: ten picks, Yeah, it's yeah, DV plus maybe. 1251 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,040 Speaker 7: Yeah. So that's kind of where we're at right now. 1252 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 3: That's kind of music probably to like the Falcon's ears 1253 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 3: those and they are further back at fifteen, Like, if 1254 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 3: it's not a top ten guy, there are so many 1255 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 3: other options still. 1256 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 10: Yeah, I've been kind of the opinion you want to 1257 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,959 Speaker 10: pick from like eight to eighteen in this draft because 1258 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 10: it's gonna be there's some game theory to it, okay, 1259 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 10: where it's like, okay, somebody's gonna go nuts about the quarterbacks. 1260 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 10: There's other positions that they're gonna go nuts when there's 1261 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 10: lack of consensus too, Guys that you're not even expecting, go. 1262 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 7: Hi, go super high. Just the guys drop. 1263 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 10: I love that because also you get to kind of 1264 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 10: a really get a feel for like what teams actually 1265 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 10: how they evaluate and stuff too, and people the media 1266 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 10: as well. 1267 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 7: Weird. I like big receivers. 1268 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 10: Teed McMillan's my top receiver, Like you know, it's like 1269 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 10: very very easy to figure that out. But I think 1270 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 10: that's what's interesting too, is that, like when you're picking 1271 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,359 Speaker 10: maybe those early mid teens, because some game theory kind 1272 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 10: of comes up where desperate teams do desperate things and 1273 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,279 Speaker 10: the guys that, okay, maybe have some blemishes, but it's 1274 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 10: an obviously talented player might fall into that range. So 1275 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 10: that's why there's some benefit I think of this class 1276 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 10: where where the Falcons are picking. 1277 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 2: I got one more much for you, then we're gonna 1278 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 2: hit you with some rapid fire ones. Yes, but the 1279 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 2: lands give of the NFC South, you know, where do 1280 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 2: you see the Falcons kind of as all four teams 1281 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 2: shake out, and do you think that they are poised 1282 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 2: to in twenty twenty five maybe make that move if 1283 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 2: they nail some of these off season questions. 1284 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 10: Shoot, if Penix descends, then that covers up a lot, 1285 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 10: you know, So that that's one answer. 1286 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 7: They're absolutely contending. I mean, that's what this whole team 1287 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 7: is right now. 1288 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,359 Speaker 10: I mean they're they're pushing, push and pushing, so kind 1289 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 10: of trying to do a little bit of both right now. 1290 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 10: But I see what they're what they're trying to do 1291 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 10: so obviously they're gonna be competing with the Bucks. You know, 1292 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,319 Speaker 10: those are the two teams. Saints are total retool wonkiness, 1293 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 10: and then the Painters, yeah, I know, right, and then 1294 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,399 Speaker 10: and the Panthers are ascending. But it's like, I still 1295 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 10: think they're a full off season away. While the Falcons 1296 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 10: what's gonna be tough is because they're lack of resources 1297 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 10: that they have is they're gonna have to get creative. 1298 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 7: But it's gonna be on the scouting staff to get creative. 1299 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 10: So but you can nail off seasons like this because 1300 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,839 Speaker 10: of some of the other talent that they have sou 1301 00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 10: But obviously I think they're absolutely gonna be. 1302 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,280 Speaker 7: Cause heding for the mc South next year because that's. 1303 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 10: Just how to shake up of the division that actually 1304 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,399 Speaker 10: helps to be in the NMFC South sometimes too. 1305 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 2: All Right, rapid fire, Okay, you're on the clock at fifteen. 1306 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 2: Let's say it's the board's kind of gone, you know 1307 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 2: the way you expect. We'll say, Jim Walker's gone, Michael 1308 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 2: Williams still there, Schmar is still there, Mike Green' is 1309 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 2: still there. 1310 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:16,839 Speaker 1: Who do you taking? 1311 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 10: I'd probably actually go Mike Green there That's actually a 1312 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 10: name that I should have brought up too from Marshall, 1313 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 10: because Williams is a defensive end or an edge prospect 1314 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 10: that I'm kind of more of a sucker for. I 1315 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 10: like Pocket Pusher is very long and strong, you know, 1316 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 10: almost like the old GM for the Jags, the but 1317 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,359 Speaker 10: with Green. Green has true, true double digit sack upside. Yes, 1318 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 10: he played at Marshall and all that, but it was 1319 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 10: that it just pops off film. 1320 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:46,720 Speaker 7: He's dominant. 1321 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960 Speaker 10: You want when you guy who plays middle level, they 1322 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 10: should look dominant. You shouldn't have to go like where's 1323 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 10: the production at It's like, so, yes, they did not 1324 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 10: play the best schools. But when he played Ohio State, 1325 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 10: he's still doing good things against Ohio State. When he 1326 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 10: goes to the Senior Bowl, he's still dominating. Yeah, and 1327 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 10: you know, there's there's the off field stuff. 1328 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 7: But from what I've heard, like. 1329 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 10: Some I guess people are kind of strugging to go 1330 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,240 Speaker 10: and it's. 1331 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 7: It's actually okay. So I don't that that's not my words. 1332 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,839 Speaker 7: So I don't know. We'll figure it out a lot. 1333 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 10: I want to hear more, but I do think on 1334 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 10: field wise, he has the most sacked upside even as 1335 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,320 Speaker 10: much as abdual Carter. It's just you know, maybe finding 1336 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 10: the right fit for him and just making it might 1337 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 10: take some time to adjust, but I think he's just 1338 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,839 Speaker 10: very talented, So I think that would be a great 1339 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 10: pick for them because of that sack upside. 1340 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 3: Would you trade or would you stay there? 1341 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: Though? 1342 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,839 Speaker 10: Stay? It's not a draft to trade up for, it's 1343 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 10: a trade down. Oh, trade back, Trade back, absolutely, trade 1344 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 10: you want where the Falcons are at? Yes, because of 1345 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 10: the cap and because where the picks, what pecks they 1346 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:38,640 Speaker 10: have right now? 1347 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,399 Speaker 7: Yeah, trade back. 1348 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,239 Speaker 10: If you can trade back in this class or in 1349 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 10: this draft, every team should do it. 1350 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 7: It's just that you gotta find someone to trade up. 1351 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, everybody wants to seemingly trade back, you. 1352 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 10: Know, and when you like, the Raiders shift their personnelity, 1353 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,160 Speaker 10: you know, not as many suckers at the table anymore. 1354 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 7: So that kind of hurts too. Its teams get smarter. 1355 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,760 Speaker 10: It's like, you know, but you guys in the desperate teams, 1356 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 10: because that's when you know, draft is desperation night. 1357 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 7: Sometimes too cool. 1358 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: Last one, do you have kind of a sleeper favorite 1359 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,840 Speaker 1: my guy in this in this draft? 1360 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 7: Man quarterback Wise Riley Leonard from Notre Dame. I like 1361 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,439 Speaker 7: him as a third rounder if he's the day two guy. 1362 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 10: I think this quarterback class is cam Ward and then 1363 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 10: about seven guys there and kind of that as QB 1364 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 10: two does six you know, yes, yes exactly, and so 1365 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 10: like with Leonard, uh, he's kind of one of my guys. 1366 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 7: I just like him. 1367 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 10: I like the athlete he is. I think he's an 1368 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 10: excellent athlete. I think he's got size. I want to 1369 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,919 Speaker 10: see what he weighs in because he was two tenth 1370 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 10: the Senior Bowl. But he also just played like twenty games, 1371 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,719 Speaker 10: so I want to see the size wise too. I 1372 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 10: think he's kind of underrated as a thrower. I think 1373 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,760 Speaker 10: he's got a really good pocket field, doesn't take sacks, 1374 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,040 Speaker 10: stuff that you can't teach, like that feel in the pocket. 1375 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 10: It's like, but he's still learning to be a quarterback. 1376 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 10: But I think there's a lot of signs there that's like, 1377 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 10: could be a nice solid starter somewhere if things go 1378 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 10: break right. I would say running back Devin Neil from Kansas. 1379 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 10: It's a running back I really really like. I think 1380 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 10: he's an all everything kind of guy. I can play 1381 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 10: all three four downs. It receives good. Not that the 1382 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,520 Speaker 10: Falcons are needing a running back, so it's maybe not 1383 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 10: the best team to be talking about, but he's one 1384 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 10: of those guys that I really like. 1385 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,439 Speaker 7: Also like Mason Taylor tied him from l CU. 1386 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 10: Just yeah, I know, I'm sorry. I've had to talk 1387 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 10: so much defense. It's like, let me get back to 1388 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 10: my safety spot right here. So yeah, let me think 1389 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 10: of a defense defender like Derek Harmon is one of 1390 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 10: my guys. I really like him. I'm trying to think 1391 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 10: some Day two guys, but it's that's I know. I 1392 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 10: do focus on Danny Stutsman, linebacker from Oklahoma. Okay, that's 1393 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,160 Speaker 10: like a Day two linebacker I do like because I 1394 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 10: think he's a very productive run first guy. 1395 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,919 Speaker 7: But that's another one. I'll give that one one linebacker there. 1396 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: Love that. Nate. 1397 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time to join 1398 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,200 Speaker 2: us this this is amazing. 1399 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 7: Thank you for having me