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Speaker 1: phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: Linkston Kerman. I'm coming in hot as always, and and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great time. You You came today

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Speaker 1: The thing is, this doesn't even have anything to do

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Speaker 1: and so it's like, forget what everybody else tells you.

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Speaker 1: service their intentions in a different kind of way. And

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00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: that's a dangerous fucking thing, right Like, at the end

424
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: of the day, we should just be able to look

425
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: at these things as stories and be like, hell yeah,

426
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: I rock with this story, or hell yeah, this made

427
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: me think about things differently. But we shouldn't be sitting

428
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: here going like I I gotta get punched in the

429
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: face forever and always at the possibility that maybe there's

430
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: a cool black dude up in the sky who's like,

431
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: you did it, you did it? Play will maybe not though, Like, like,

432
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: that's why I think I'd like to live my life

433
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: right down the middle. It's like, I do enough. I'm serious,

434
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: I do enough shitty ship on the side, and I

435
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: do a plenty of amazing things. I'm right down the middle.

436
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a toss up, like if there's

437
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: a God or Jesus or I'm partly gay, I'm like,

438
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: it's on, y'all. I'm damn. Let me let me ask

439
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: you this before we go to the break, because I

440
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: do think this is important, and I wonder. So you're

441
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: saying you're not a particularly religious person anymore, you do

442
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: you still believe there's there's a potential god up there?

443
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: Are you? Like? Na, there's nothing. I'm just gonna know. No. Listen,

444
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: first of all, I can't now let me tell you,

445
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: so you tell me who's not trying to get canceled

446
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: by blah blahhma. Do someone right? Here. Ain't no way

447
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying is no God. No, that's not my mama.

448
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: If you're listening, or if somebody I did not say

449
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: that you're good but there is a God and you

450
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: still believe in all this stuff? Yes, I I do

451
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: believe in all I do believe in all this stuff,

452
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: but not the stuff that makes my life miserable. Does

453
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: that mean yes? Okay? So this this actually brings me

454
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: then to to my next question, which is when you

455
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: close your eyes and you imagine God. Because you're saying

456
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: you do believe that Jesus is black. When you close

457
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: your eyes and you imagine God, what kind of black

458
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: Jesus are we talking about? Is he a dark skin

459
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: like Isaac Hayes looking Jesus or is he more drizzy

460
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: drake looking Jesus where we at with Jesus? Definitely not

461
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Jesse Jake. Definitely not Jessy Jake. I would say, you

462
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: know if you because if you just look at the

463
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: people of that time, right they no one was lighted

464
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: in the ritz Cracker, So I think I think he

465
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: would be. He would be like on the scale of

466
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: like flavor flave to El de Barge. He's probably like

467
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: a Boris Coacho. Okay, all right, I think maybe around

468
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: that complex just a just a dark light skin, just

469
00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: a dark Does he have the long flowing hair as

470
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: he's been talking, you know what listen, probably like curly

471
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: here like you know, um, I mean like like DJ

472
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: Khaled's son. What tho like that? Oh you know, I

473
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: was thinking like a Corbin Blue you remember him from US? Oh? Yeah, no,

474
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: yeah no. But if you look at people from like

475
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: Ethiopius Amali, like you know, there's like a part of

476
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: especially close up to the Mediterranean, they have like you know,

477
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: a nice curl texture, like full hair. So maybe something

478
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: like that. Hell yeah, so you you've got an image

479
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: of Jesus in your head when you close your eyes

480
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: and pray, it's this this Boris ko Joe with with

481
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: DJ khaleeds son hair looking dude listening, Yeah, I mean,

482
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not trying to fund Jesus. But I

483
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: mean nor should you, I think very because because like

484
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: that description sounds like I'm out here fantasizing about a

485
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: hot as Jesus. Listen, If if ever there was somebody

486
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: to be horn me for, it is Jesus. He's not

487
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: technically supposed to have sex with you back. So if

488
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: it makes you feel more committed to him, I think

489
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: that's okay. I don't think Jesus would be mad about it. Yeah,

490
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: he loved me. He always with me, He doesn't never

491
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: leave me. He's got my back. When you really think

492
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: about it out of context, you're like, this sound a

493
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: little weird. You want to Jesus, you're weird. All right,

494
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more.

495
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: Chloe here more. My mama told me we are back

496
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: like teenage girls when you say teenage, how are we talking? Yeah,

497
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: we're back here with more cloth. Or my mama told me.

498
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: You should have seen the look on her face, Ladies

499
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: and gentlemen when she realized the button I decided to press.

500
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: Bringing us back into the subject of talking God in

501
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: his blackness, truly a fun one. All right, Let's dig

502
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: into some of this research I had over and I

503
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: don't know how much you you remember, because I do

504
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: remember as a kid hearing people always referenced scripture that

505
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: specifically suggested that Jesus might be a black person. There's

506
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: like one specific scripture that always gets sort of reference,

507
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: And it turns out, at least in my research that

508
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: that scripture has been massively uh reworked in our retelling

509
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: of the scripture, like it's never as sort of charming

510
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: as people have presented it. Do you remember the specific

511
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: like details of the scripture that people always bring up

512
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: because it lives in my head, you know, Nigga's love

513
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: to remix it, and by the time it got to

514
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: me and it was like, yo, he got an afro.

515
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: His skin is like copper, smooth like sat and like

516
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: we we we we did the Marvin Gay smooth operator

517
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: remix on Jesus when he made him him, made him

518
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: like ours. Yes, so no one could really point to

519
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: the scripture, but we just was like, you know, he

520
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: black right here. You know when they say skin like this,

521
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: they were like that's us, and he was like, okay,

522
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: yeah it was. His skin was like copper and his

523
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: hair was like whoa, whoa uh. And it always was

524
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: sort of at least suggested to me as like Jesus

525
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: had like walked into the club and everybody turned and

526
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: he was just glowing handsome, and it is like, god damn,

527
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: look at this beautiful Jesus with his wool hair and

528
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: his copper skin and all that and it turns out

529
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: that the actual only physical reference made, or any suggestion

530
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: of of Jesus's appearance in the Bible is after he's dead.

531
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: That like, they don't ever really describe what he looks

532
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: like until after he's dead, and it's in revelations, and

533
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: they in revelations the hair on his head was white

534
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were

535
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in

536
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: the furnace, and his voice was like the sound of

537
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: rushing water. And his right hand he held seven stars.

538
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: Coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double edged sword.

539
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: His face was like the sun shining in all of

540
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: its brilliance. This is the description that we've sort of

541
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: like reinterpreted over and over again, and that reference to

542
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: wool and the bronze has zero to do with his

543
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: actual complexion and hair. But that two things we turned

544
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: him into. Bility Williams. That's number one to make some

545
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: hours and the other part about that it just goes

546
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: to show And this is when I was like, yeah,

547
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: I can't really like give all my life to this

548
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: um energy. It just goes to show you how eager

549
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: people are to take pieces of something to make it

550
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: there is to justify their devotion to it, right. So

551
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: that's when I was just like, ye'all making this like

552
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: it just felt like Stockholm syndrome. It just felt like

553
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: y'all are trying to find the good to make it

554
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: seem okay that you're doing this with your life, and

555
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: it's just like just live and and to that point.

556
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: This is also something that I found pretty interesting is

557
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: that the other references that they make to Jesus in

558
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: the Bible basically talk about the fact that he wasn't

559
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: a particularly handsome person like they There are like a

560
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: couple of scriptures that Isaiah fifty three to the first

561
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: to Jesus as having no beauty, that we should desire

562
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: him that basically no one wanted to funk Jesus for

563
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: his face. They only wanted to funk him for his personality.

564
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: And then there's an additional scripture some forty five two

565
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: to three describes him as fairer than the children of men,

566
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: so basically which you know, could be I guess left

567
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: up to interpretation that he's more handsome than the children

568
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: of men, or it could just be lighter than the

569
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: children and men it's not particularly clear. But either way,

570
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: these are the only physical descriptions we have of Jesus,

571
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: which means that we are all being pretty silly when

572
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: we go like Jesus looked like me, Jesus looked like this.

573
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: It's like dog, we truly don't know this motherfucker might

574
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: look like an alligator and we we have no wist.

575
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking because

576
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: that description you just read about the white, the hair

577
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: as white as wool, and the feat is his feet

578
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: was looked like they were in the furnace meets his

579
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: feet were on fire, like he could be a whole mutant,

580
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: like we our hairpryance to a whole x man. We

581
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: don't even know it. I did a joke with Yamanika,

582
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: were doing the Comedy Seller show and we were talking

583
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: about aliens, and I was like, yo, Jesus is an alien,

584
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: and she cussed me and prayed for me and say,

585
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: don't you call my Jesus, And I said, look at

586
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: the origin story. He come out of nowhere, His mother

587
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: was artificially esseminated by angel. He disappears to like thirty something. Yes,

588
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: he you know, he disappears like he could be he

589
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: could be an alien. Just I'm just saying, could be

590
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: an alien. I think that that's that, honestly, is more

591
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: logical to me than that makes so much more sense

592
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, oh, now I get while we

593
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: praise it and they go, we wanted to come back,

594
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: come back alien, I get that. It also makes more

595
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: sense than him being like a member of every race

596
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: on this planet. Do you know what I mean? That

597
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: like Chinese and if you go to China, they have

598
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: Chinese Jesus. If you go to the fucking Ethiopia, they

599
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: have Ethiopian Jesus. If you go to Antarctica, Jesus is

600
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: three penguins stacked on top of each other pretending to

601
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: be a man. It's it's all what we've decided he is.

602
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: And more logically, this motherfucker might just be an alien

603
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: who can shape shift and disappear for a bunch of years. Yo,

604
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense to me. Listen, That's why

605
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Stargate is one of my favorite movies. People think it

606
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's corny, it was done, and I

607
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: was like, no, it was like low key dropping, like

608
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: great hypothetical, Like what if the pyramids were portals to

609
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: other worlds, Like I love Stargate and so I just

610
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: think it's so much I think it's so much cooler

611
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: living a life, realizing that there's other things greater than

612
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: yourself and that there's never one definitive way. And I

613
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: think that life is about choices, and that's what this

614
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: experience and this journey of our infinite being in this

615
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: universe is. It's for us to come here, experience it,

616
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: learn ship, feel ship, see if you can fucking get

617
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: it right, and if you don't get it right, you

618
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: come back, and if you get it right, you go

619
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: to the next fucking stop on his journey. Right. Yeah.

620
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: I like that that that this isn't as much of

621
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: a punitive thing as I think it's sort of is

622
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: being presented, but just the thing where it's like, yo,

623
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: be a decent person, and if this guy's as cool

624
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: as we say is, he's gonna kind of just see

625
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: that and not punish you because you didn't you know,

626
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: count beads necklace or whatever. It is, Like, come on, God,

627
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: why are you gi me toiti if you don't want them,

628
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: get it sucks? Come on and listen, listen. I couldn't

629
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: have said that better myself. I truly the poetry that

630
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: just came out of your mouth. If I could, if

631
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: I could make that the title of this episode, I would.

632
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: I shouted, I'm mad. I broke at the end. I

633
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: was so close to sticking it out. So one of

634
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: the things that that sort of is interesting in all

635
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: of these these depictions that are made of Jesus and

636
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: being sort of made complicated with the tracing of of

637
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: Jesus is also the tracing of colonization. You talked about

638
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: this earlier colonization and missionary work of meaning, like a

639
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: country that was at some point overtaken and are ruled

640
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: by white people is more likely to worship a white Jesus,

641
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: right that Like, if you if your country was dominated

642
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: by white people much in the way that America is,

643
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: white Jesus becomes the standard. Whereas if you go to

644
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: countries where white people have not been the dominant force

645
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: or are no longer the dominant force, Jesus looks like them,

646
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's largely just interpretation, not actual documentation of

647
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: a real person. Yeah, one of the things that I

648
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: found particularly interesting is the sort of like resurgence of

649
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: this argument of black Jesus, and fascinating enough, the actual

650
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: the most recent resurgence and the one that sort of

651
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: like reached the biggest argument came from Invisible Ink black

652
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: activist Shaun King. Shaun King. Come now, I know you're

653
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: a big fan of Shaun King's. Don't say anything to

654
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: besmirch his name. But in Shaun King tweeted the statues

655
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: of the white European they claim is Jesus should also

656
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: come down. There are a form of white supremacy. Tear

657
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: them down and tear are down, all the murals and

658
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: stained glass windows of white Jesus and it's European mother

659
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and their white friends. Your thoughts, you know what, Let

660
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: me tell you something. This is the problem with people

661
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: like Shaun King, right. It is because they talk so

662
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: much noise, right, and for all the things that they

663
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: do wrong, right, they still are in a position to

664
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: give light to situations and conversations that we really should have.

665
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: So it is legit a double edged sword. That's that's

666
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: mistake on Shaun King. So with that being said, I

667
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: understand his argument, but I also believe that the imagery

668
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: at this point is the lease of our problems. And

669
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: I think that the imagery of a black Jesus is

670
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: a bit different than the imagery of motherfucker's who literally

671
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: owned slaves being up in the middle of a town square. Um.

672
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: I think one of those things has applied had hurt

673
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: and harm to us in a way that's very tangible,

674
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: and the other is a figment of a religious whatever

675
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: you know that is not Jesus is not shooting us

676
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: in the back seven times when he comes to a

677
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: not want one call, so Sean picks some mouse. Nigga, Please,

678
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna be so happy you called him nigga. I know.

679
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm also mad. I'm mad. I was like, damn, why

680
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: did I say nigga? I am not. I don't mean

681
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: it calling him me just um I, Chloe Hillia did

682
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: not mean nigga in a way that in any shape

683
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: or form insinuated that Shaun King is indeed a nigga.

684
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: It is more colloquial as though it is mainstream at

685
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: this point. With the a at the end, thank you

686
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: forgive me that said. I I agree with you. I

687
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: do think that we've reached this weird point in society

688
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: where we're spending so much time nitpicking representation and and

689
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: sort of like the rules and how many we should

690
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: have that we're starting to work backwards against progress, Like

691
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't need a black friend in fucking uh Sabrina

692
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: the teenage witch, Like black people don't funk with witchcraft

693
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: like that, We wouldn't just kick it with some weird

694
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: girl who has magic powers. Don't create representation where representation

695
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't actually exist, leave that as a white space. And

696
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: so in the case of Jesus, because it is never

697
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: to your point, never, he the figure has never done

698
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: anything negative to black people. It's only white people's interpretation

699
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: of his his position that's done bad things to black people.

700
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: I ain't really tripping off of his representation. Now. Is

701
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: it cool to have a black Jesus? Absolutely? I like

702
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: having black people wherever I can get them. But at

703
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: the same time, that ain't some ship I'm willing to

704
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: fight over. I to you, I'd much rather fight over

705
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: changing the laws and the systems at hand rather than

706
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: dealing in like the color of the very nice man

707
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: who gives everybody fit. Yeah, ain't nobody worried about him?

708
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody worried about him? That's that's That's also why

709
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all give this way too much energy. Y'all

710
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: give this way too much energy. It's too much, and

711
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: is it? And you could be living in life and

712
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: doing other things, learning things, making mistakes like growing. It's

713
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: too much other stuff you could be doing other than

714
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: sitting here praying about a rapture. It's like, yeah, well

715
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: you're bound to die. Whether you die the rapture, you die.

716
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: But motherfucking choking on olive it, we're all gonna die.

717
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: Like so what you get burnt up and you don't

718
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: get to die in your sleep? So are you still dead?

719
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: Like and nobody talks about how painful it is to die,

720
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: you know why because they're dead. That's it might not

721
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: even hurt like that, like it's not even hurt you.

722
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: It might legit like you might feel the first thing

723
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: in your body going the shock and you're just gone,

724
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: like you're not going out torches different. But even then,

725
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: like if you get tortured and you die, you might

726
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: have your body. I feel like your brain will shut

727
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: down and be like okay, this is too much and

728
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: then like then you just you know, get torn the limbs.

729
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: But like we're all gonna die. I don't know I

730
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: just cantled my life and fear so one of the

731
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: things that I learned about and sort of unpacking some

732
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: of this stuff. And I'm curious to hear your thoughts

733
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: on this. Have you ever heard of the shroud of Turing? No,

734
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: but you refresh my memory. Okay, the shroud. There's no

735
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: reason you should know this. But apparently the shroud of

736
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: Turin is this piece of linen cloth that was discovered

737
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: in thirteen fifty four, all the way back in thirteen

738
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: fifty four, and it's believed or well some people believe

739
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: and argue that this is the cloth that Jesus was

740
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: wrapped in when he was placed in his tomb. And

741
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: that cloth that they found still apparent, yes, carries the

742
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: imprint of his face on the cloth. Now, when I

743
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: looked up the shroud of Turing and you look up

744
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: this cloth, it's look if if And some people claim

745
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: that this is a complete false, that like the people

746
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: back in thirteen fifty four, we're trolling much as we

747
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: would today. But those who believe it, if you look

748
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: at the shroud of Turn, there's very little argument that

749
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: this imprint is that of a white man. It does

750
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: not look in any way like a white person. It

751
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: looks honestly, more like Luis Guzman rather than like Jared Leto,

752
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just it looks like

753
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican man at best, imprinted on this fucking shroud,

754
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: you know what. And stories like that, like that's the

755
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: thing that people cling onto. I remember, you know, remember

756
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: a current affair, And every like once a month there

757
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: was always a story about Jesus and a potato chip

758
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Jesus and toast one of finds a h baby carrot

759
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: that looks like Jesus and it's just like when And

760
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: that was mainstream. So that's so that was like how

761
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: fanatical people were about the imagery and the mysticism of Jesus.

762
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: That was like every news. That was basic everyday news.

763
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: Don't do that anymore. They don't do that anymore. But

764
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: there was a time in America where like everybody was

765
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: like Christian for real, and so it was okay to

766
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: just like talk about this goofy ship in public and

767
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: not look nuts like baked potato look like Jesus. Like

768
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: get now, you can't even like what are you talking about?

769
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: Watch the movie Get Vaccinated, you asshole. We we know

770
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: what this is this game playing like y'all was talking

771
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: like this, and y'all wasn't smoking weed like y'all b

772
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: y'all was bored. So one of the other things that

773
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: sort of like uh emerged and made it very clear.

774
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: And this goes back to our conversation about how playing

775
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: the Bible describes him. But if the shroud of Turin

776
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: is in fact true, one of the other things that

777
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: you can uh sort of like immediately pull from this

778
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: is just how old and ugly Jesus looked for a

779
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: thirty three year old. That if this man was meant

780
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: to be thirty three, he did not age well. He

781
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: has aged badly, and he was not a good looking man.

782
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: And in the slightest now, if Jesus is an alien,

783
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: what if when he disappeared, because you know, in the Bible,

784
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: Jesus like dipped out as a kid, and we don't

785
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: hear about him until he's like grown, right, Like what

786
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: if like what if Jesus that was not his physical body.

787
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: What if he like went into the jungle somewhere or

788
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: whatever the Sahara and got roughed up a couple of

789
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: times and maybe he was a body hop or maybe

790
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: the body that that came back to Jesus. And as

791
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, the grown men, Jesus was like somebody like

792
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: a shepherd's body that the alien Jesus jumped into. Now

793
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: you know how crazy that sounds, Well, it sounds like

794
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: the men in black scenario were exactly that roach was

795
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: inside of that man. And that would explain why he

796
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: looks so puffy and worn. That would definitely explain why

797
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: he looked in He almost like, uh, a rodent level ugly.

798
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing for me. It's like, if

799
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: you if you want me to believe your part, you

800
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: gotta be open to believe in my part too. And

801
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: they don't want me to leave my part. I was like, yo,

802
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: if he could turn one into why he could be

803
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: an alien? No he can't. Who the fund turns water

804
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: into wine? Then? And if he wasn't an alien, where's

805
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: our miracles? Yo? They was having miracles every other Tuesday

806
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: in the Bible. Where's our miracle? I ain't seen a

807
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: burning bush? No angel, come talk to me. You know

808
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Now times I risk my life, No

809
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: motherfucking omen come and say, my ass, where's our miracle at? Yeah?

810
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: They can can they can make these miracles more contemporary.

811
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: They don't have to be the same as what they

812
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: went through. It could be like a cool dude on

813
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: the skateboard being like, hey, you know you can't get

814
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: three wishes later or whatever. I don't know how it works, man,

815
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: you know what the miracle is finding twenty dollars in

816
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: our pocket. But like, it's a miracle. That's our miracle. Sure,

817
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: And if we wrote it down, we could too be

818
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: like Luke and Paul and the rest of the game. Yo,

819
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: do you know how crazy that Bible would sound like

820
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: three thousand years from now, people being like two to

821
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: say I woke up to seven hundred new followers. It

822
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: was it was a miracles. Jesus did that. Oh, this

823
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: is fun. So there is a book that came out

824
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: in eighteen by this lady named Joan Taylor and archaeologists,

825
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: and the book is named What did Jesus look Like?

826
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: And this is exciting because she she basically studied all

827
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: these archaeological remains of Jews from thousands of years ago,

828
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: historical texts, and ancient Egyptian funerary art to conclude that

829
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: most people in Judea and Egypt around that time, had

830
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: brown eyes, dark brown to black hair, and olive skin,

831
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: and in all likelihood, based on all of this sort

832
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: of collection of data and information, Jesus was about five

833
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: ft five, the average man's height at the time, and

834
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: as as we've already discovered, very very plain looking mm hmmm.

835
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: So they pretty much did the work to figure out

836
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: that he probably looked a lot more like a Middle

837
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Eastern dude of today more than a random black dude

838
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: or white person for that. But that's but that's going

839
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: to show you how powerful white supremacy is, right because

840
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: they're saying, fuck science, fuck genetics, fuck archaeology, fuck everybody

841
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: that lives in this area. That we're gonna say a

842
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: white Alabasta snow ass nigga lived during this time. He

843
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't even get he's so he's so holy. He didn't

844
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: even get sun tanned. That sounds crazy to me. And

845
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: we're like, yep, yep, he's white as snow. Yep he is.

846
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: He's white as snow, and it's just like it's you know,

847
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I believe, I do truly believe that there was a

848
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: time in mankind civilization where religion was pure right where

849
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: you and those are those I feel like, are the

850
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: more indigenous face right, they're more closely connected to the

851
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: mother earth in the world and animals, you know, like

852
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 1: they give a funk about everything. And then somewhere along

853
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: the line, religion became a tool of manipulation and power

854
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: and control, and I think it's been perverted for so

855
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: long that there's no parts of it right now in

856
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: this version that we're being sold that feels true to me.

857
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it protects me. It doesn't feel

858
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: like it gives a funk about me. If it sounds

859
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: like it wants me to suffer for a greater thing,

860
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: and the greater thing is something that I can't even

861
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: fathom in my life and my mind, and so it

862
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: just feels like a lot of like gaslighting essentially. I know,

863
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I hate that term because it's so overused, but it

864
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: feels like you gotta suffer, especially being a black person,

865
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: you gotta suffer even more. And it's just like I

866
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: remember being young being like what do black people do?

867
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: Why are we so fucking cursed? Like why do we

868
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: have the world? Like if we're praying to God, like

869
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: how you know how much black people pray? And we

870
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: ain't been saved. Yet I ain't get no forty eight

871
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: because I ain't get no mule. You know what I'm saying.

872
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: I said, I pay taxes. I mean I'm black. I'm

873
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: praying every day. My grandmama pray every day. You know

874
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: how much we pray. So I feel like, you know,

875
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: either there's nothing there, or black people are the suffering

876
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: of black people, or just people in general praying to

877
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: God is just the fucking battery. Juice go into this

878
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: nigga's back because something may add an up. I I

879
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I love what you're saying, in part because I think

880
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: that it really just speaks to intention that like we

881
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: have distracted ourselves from the fact that and this is

882
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: worth saying. And maybe everybody knows this, maybe some listeners don't.

883
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: Jesus absolutely existed. This isn't. The question isn't whether or

884
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: not a human being by the name I guess Jesus Christ.

885
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: He probably was the named Christ at the time. He

886
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: probably was named something else. But the guy that we

887
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: understand to be Jesus did exist in history. But that

888
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that he is everything that we've made

889
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: him into being. And so that all comes with intention.

890
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: The Bible as we understand, it started as an oral history.

891
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: People just said stuff out loud. They would tell each

892
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: other's stories over and over again, and then at some

893
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: point one asshole was like, I should write that down.

894
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: And then that person who wrote it down decided to

895
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: write down the parts that he liked he or she liked,

896
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: and then skip over the parts that they didn't care

897
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: for as much. And then as it got recurated and

898
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: repassed down and sort of like taken over by new

899
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: powerful people, new versions of that passing changed the interpretations

900
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: of all of these things, so that this sort of stubby,

901
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: abless Mexican man turns into fucking you know, Matthew McConaughey

902
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: two thousand years later, and it's it's over. Yeah, right,

903
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: We we just aren't being honest about what any of

904
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: this stuff is, and there's no way for us to

905
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: be honest. So to your point, we should really just

906
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: embrace the lesson and ignore the bullshit. Mm hmm, yeah exactly.

907
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: But it's hard to do that because that means that

908
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: you would say that people are autonomous, and you can't

909
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: show people if they're autonomous, and so that's the manipulation

910
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: in it all that I can't associate with Yeah, I

911
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: get that, all right. We I think we did it.

912
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: I think we fucked We fucked around and uh and

913
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: fixed black Jesus, or at least made it more messy.

914
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but we're gonna take a break.

915
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more, Chloe Hillier. The more my

916
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: mama told me, we are back, give me yeah, we're

917
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: back here with mortal You're more. And my mama told

918
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: me that was a clip from Dr Phil where a

919
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: white boy smacked his mom in the face. And they

920
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: want me to believe that that boy is a descendant

921
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: of God. Nope, not in my house. Anyway. We're still

922
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: talking about whether or not Jesus is black, and it

923
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: turns out he's probably uh, some sort of brown that

924
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with black or white people. But

925
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy historically. We can agree on that. Yeah, okay,

926
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: I want to play a game. This is a fun game,

927
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: a classic game on this show, one of our oldest games,

928
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: our literal oldest game. It's a game called white Line Ugly,

929
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: You're disgusting, I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies.

930
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: It's a fun game where Chloe I am going to

931
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: introduce to you a white conspiracy theory, a widely held

932
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: white conspiracy theory. And what I would love for you

933
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: to do is just unpack why you think white people

934
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: tend to hold onto this conspiracy theory. What do you

935
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: think is so important to them inside of this thing?

936
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: What are these sneaky motherfucker's up to? You know what

937
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Yeah, all right, So this is a fun

938
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: one that I had not heard before, but I'm excited

939
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: that it exists. There have been countless sightings of a

940
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: lockness like monster and in a lake called Flathead Lake

941
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: in Montana. Apparently in Montana there are a number of

942
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: have to some of their white people because I don't

943
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: know that black people are allowed in Montana, but a

944
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: number of white people are claiming that there is a

945
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Lockness monster, a thirty to forty ft long creature in

946
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Flathead Lake. And what I would love for you to do, Chloe,

947
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: is tell me why you think white people are so

948
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: eager to hold onto this, this fake lockness monster. Yeah.

949
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: So part of it is, I believe when it comes

950
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: to these stories of like mythical creatures, it's like one.

951
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: It started with boredom, right, because there was nothing going on.

952
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: People gotta understand that people lived for longer like people

953
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: have lived without social media, television, phones, newspapers, magazines, and

954
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: books like. People lived way longer like that than have not.

955
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: And so when you have nothing going on but except

956
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: waking up and going to work or going to school

957
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: and coming home and doing that ship over with no

958
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: fucking breaks other than like a county fair or mo

959
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: fucking hog tie or a fucking hatchet throwing whatever corn

960
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: hole bullshit they was doing out there, you make up ship, right.

961
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: And so one day somebody probably saw something that looked

962
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: a little funny style. Maybe it was an animal they've

963
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: never seen before, because then he because don't we got

964
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: the internet. They don't know what every animal look like.

965
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: And then it becomes this folklore thing, and then it

966
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: becomes this pride thing that they turned into a mascot

967
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: for capitalism, because it's like, come here, stay at this hotel,

968
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: see the thing that we have here, and then it

969
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: becomes commerce, right, And so I think that is the

970
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: problem with mankind in general. It's like something starts off

971
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: as a genuine, genuine thought or a misconception and then

972
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: it turns into like this larger than life thing that

973
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: generates income in profit for somebody, and so I think

974
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times they don't want to let that

975
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: ship go because it gives them something to brag about.

976
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Because what you're gonna brag about in Montana is nothing

977
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: to do with Montana. So that's how they differentiate themselves

978
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: from the other town. We got the lockless monster, we

979
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: got the monster locked nests like they just be making

980
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: it up because they and then it becomes business. I

981
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: love what you're saying about the the business aspect of this,

982
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: because there is probably an element of this that did

983
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: come from a a sweet place and maybe sweets the

984
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: wrong word, but just an honest place where a bunch

985
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: of idiots who, like you said, we're bored as funk.

986
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: We're looking at a lake and they're like, damn, what

987
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: if there's a monster in there? And they started to

988
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: tell some people, and other people started to tell some people,

989
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: and it was a fun little game, and then some

990
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: sick fuck saw that happening. It was like, hey, if

991
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: we build a hotel next to this, like while all

992
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: these people are talking, suddenly we can make this into

993
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: something profitable that truly shouldn't be profitable, it should just

994
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: be fund local stupidity. And we always muck things up

995
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: with our own want for for wealth and investment rather

996
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: than just genuine joy. Yeah, have you ever been a

997
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: Rosbell New Mexico? I have is sad. No, everybody got

998
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: a fucking green ass alien front of the store. It

999
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: could be cat cat shopping. Everybody got a fucking alien

1000
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: up just because they know that's what the people there for.

1001
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like having to put your hard work,

1002
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: your business plan going and getting the loan open up

1003
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: a store front for ice cream shop on my fucking restaurant,

1004
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: and you you gotta put a fucking green alien out front.

1005
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: So the niggas that want to see aliens be like,

1006
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: oh they like aliens to let's go eat. I shoot

1007
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: myself in the face and you gotta that is fucked up.

1008
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: And even more fucked up is at that point you

1009
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: have to believe the aliens aren't They're seeing this and

1010
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I'm not going back there. They're making

1011
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: it weird like we were. We were just hanging out,

1012
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: but now you're making it hot, yo, right, Like this

1013
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a secret. I told you don't

1014
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: tell nobody, Like it's like when you sleep with that

1015
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: one person, like, yo, we gonna keep this between us,

1016
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: somebody like you know, I'm really private. I want people

1017
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: in my al right. I got you, nick said, you

1018
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: know so I heard you? What spot as You're like yeah, damn?

1019
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: And now her and her friends made made you the

1020
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: wallpaper on their Twitter. It's like, yo, chill bro, like

1021
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: you got a nickname and ship. They called me alien. Yo,

1022
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: I went to Earth one time and they called me alien.

1023
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: Now disrespected me. You know, I was just I was

1024
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: just kigging it. I met a lady, she was cool,

1025
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: Let's move on. That's it. Damn. I want to appropriate

1026
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: but once or twice and but no, you had to

1027
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: tell every body not even looking from me, right, movie,

1028
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: do don't know my life? They don't know my story.

1029
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: There is something really fascinating too, of like what if

1030
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: aliens don't even like probing butts like that. Maybe it

1031
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: was just the thing they tried one time, and now

1032
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: everybody keeps trying to make it their thing, and it's like, no,

1033
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: I was just experimenting. Listen. I I feel sorry for

1034
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: the first aliens that came here because they picked the

1035
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: wrong specimen. They was picking up all the white people

1036
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: in Middle America and them niggas are uninteresting, and now

1037
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: niggas is like where the aliens at and they're like, yo,

1038
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: we tried jobs, Like no, we're different though you ain't

1039
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: trying to special sauce. We have the special sauce. Right.

1040
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: It's like if you go to the zoo and then

1041
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: you stop at the squirrel exhibit, It's like, no, you

1042
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: gotta keep going because yeah, it's back here, silver back,

1043
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: silver back, Well glory, I think we did it. This

1044
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: is this is a fun episode. Could you tell the

1045
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: people at home where they can find you and what

1046
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: cool ship you have going on? Absolutely? You can find

1047
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram. Both are at Chloe Underscore

1048
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: Hilliard because I like white Space Underscore Hilliard and if

1049
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: you want to know more about me, you can go

1050
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: to Chloe Hilliard dot com. I have a book out

1051
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: called Fun Your Diet Um. I'm a television writer, producer, comedian,

1052
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: so you'll probably see some things that I'm working on

1053
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: in the future. And thank you for having me, Lanks

1054
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: And it's so good to have a fun adult high

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory conversation. This was one of our least toxic episodes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that uh yeah, you know, we get

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Speaker 1: some real that makes me feel like I was boring. No, no,

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Speaker 1: this was fun and healthy. This was like when you

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Speaker 1: find out that carriage sticks can go and hummus, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, oh, we're doing we're

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Speaker 1: doing great stuff here. But please follow Chloe, do all

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Speaker 1: the cool things that you're supposed to do to keep

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Speaker 1: up with her, and then you can follow me at

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Speaker 1: Langston Kerman and please send us any conspiracy theories you

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Speaker 1: have and he drops. You want to send all the bullshit,

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Speaker 1: you can send it to my Mama pod at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Otherwise that's it, by bitch, because my crop

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Speaker 1: chips in your mails. A Koala Bears are racist, the

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Speaker 1: old school, old school money turkey stuff. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: me