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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noman. They call me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by our super producer Alex Williams in

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Speaker 1: the on the ones and twos today in the booth.

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Speaker 1: Are there more than one? Now? Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 1: we have we've expanded in twos and threes by my account.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. Oh you meant more than one? Whatever stereo channels,

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Speaker 1: it's true. There you go. That's the ones in the

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Speaker 1: twos except our m P three's are monos, so we're

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Speaker 1: working on changing them. Yeah, we're working on all sorts

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Speaker 1: notation here. Before we begin today's episode, you're going to

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Speaker 1: see some uh, some big changes coming up with the

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Speaker 1: stuff they'll want you to know. Should we give him

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Speaker 1: dot kind of thing. We could just say we've been

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Speaker 1: hashtag blessed with funding from on High, which could mean

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Speaker 1: more and more shows, expansions. And there's a technature. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works. We are now officially our own thing with

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Speaker 1: how Stuff Works. So now if now, if Matt Nolan,

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Speaker 1: I say, uh, this goes all the way to the top,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the guy who works next next to us. Okay.

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Speaker 1: In our previous episode, well the episode we previously recorded,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned some maritime adventures, right, Noel, you and I

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Speaker 1: have not been on cruises, however our compatriot has. Yes,

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Speaker 1: do we want to rehash the cruises again? Boys? You

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Speaker 1: were you weren't? You didn't hate it? I didn't hate it,

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Speaker 1: And uh, it was a thing. It was a thing

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Speaker 1: which brought us to brought you perhaps to something that

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Speaker 1: many people have heard of, the Bermuda Triangle. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: was near it, but not in it. And yet here

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Speaker 1: It was it was a little weird, but it was cool.

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Speaker 1: And that is the as you know that as the

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Speaker 1: alleged side of numerous plane crashes, boat sinkings, and disappearances. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but today we're going to examine the alleged Eastern version

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Speaker 1: of this, the so called Devil's Triangle. According to legends,

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Speaker 1: there have been tens of thousands of people who have

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Speaker 1: or disappear in the attempt. In the modern era, so

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Speaker 1: it goes to the story, several Japanese research and military

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Speaker 1: vessels have also gone missing in this triangle, leading to

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Speaker 1: seven people. Pretty pretty hefty stuff. Uh well, we'll get

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Speaker 1: those claims in a bit. First, let's let's look at

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Speaker 1: Devil's Triangle. Well, it's not only known at the Devil's Triangle.

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Speaker 1: It's also called the Devil's see the Dragon's Triangle and

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Speaker 1: think of the vile vortices, which is something that has

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Speaker 1: Vile vortices. Okay, what what's a vile vortes? Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: maybe extra dimensional, yeah, extra dimensional portals. And we have

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Speaker 1: We do have a South Atlantic anomaly episode in our future. Today,

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Speaker 1: most oceanographers or naval experts and scholars and related disciplines

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Speaker 1: So you will hear tales of fleets from China and

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Speaker 1: under see volcano has sound weird. And then okay, another

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00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: another problem with this idea. If the legend really does

425
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: go back for centuries and centuries, then why isn't there

426
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: more scratched that any information about it in the historical

427
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: record from any of the countries lining the place where

428
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: this this triangle is supposed to exist? And then Enters

429
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: skept the skeptoids. Brian Dunning He did or supposedly did

430
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: a search for any type of newspaper, magazine, articles, books,

431
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: really anything written down specifically about the dragons see Triangle,

432
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Devil's Triangle, all that stuff, and he came up empty

433
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: handed until twenty years after the loss of the Cayumaru.

434
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: Apparently the story then just became it was, was breathed

435
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: into existence. So yeah, apparently this legend of things going

436
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: back for centuries was a fairly recent invention, at least

437
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: according to Brian Dunning and the research he conducted. The

438
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: first written records of the Trian will only show up

439
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: in the nineties seventies, and then when they blew up

440
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: in the fringe scene, the literature became flooded with accounts

441
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: of this new mysterious region, with tales that had been

442
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: feared for centuries. Nearly all published references. Again Dunning sites

443
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: this as well do as well as a couple of others.

444
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: Nearly all published references are from the early seventies, and

445
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: they're immediately upon the heels of Ivan Sanderson's articles from

446
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one two, and all of that stuff led

447
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: Downning to conclude that quote, in short, there is no

448
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: devil Cy and there never was outside the imagination of

449
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Ivan Sanderson and the authors who wrote about his vile vortices.

450
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: But it sounds so great. Vile vortices. They're just really

451
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: like disgusting. Yes, yeah, they squeeze toothpaste from the middle.

452
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: They picked their noses forgot to shower for about a month.

453
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: So uh. Personally, I think the phrase vile vortices sounds

454
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: um like a super villain weapon, like something Cobra Commander

455
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: would use. Yeah, or a team. It's like a team

456
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: of somebody who's really really dastardly. It's just a it's

457
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: like a by gang that got a hold of a

458
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: thesaurus but didn't read the whole entry from Pokemon. So

459
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: we we do, you know, we do hate to look.

460
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: We all want to believe in these amazing extraordinary things.

461
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: And the long and short of it is, in the

462
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: research that we found, in primary historical sources and in

463
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: common parlance in the area, this is largely considered a myth,

464
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: and it's not treated with near as much prominence as

465
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: several other local or regional h extraordinary events or beliefs.

466
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: And this is in many ways kind of a Western thing. Yeah,

467
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: it's a It's a thing that people in the coast

468
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of China and in the coast of Japan don't really

469
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: think about, give near as much credence to it feels

470
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: like a tale of the other Yeah, yeah, and haven't

471
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: for uh certainly haven't been worrying about it for centuries.

472
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: Most people are you know, uh, families or friends on

473
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: the coast, just hoping their loved ones make it back.

474
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Before you know, a storm hits or disaster occurs, which

475
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: are real dangerous. But we're not ending the tail there yet.

476
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: We do have some explanations a peak if you will,

477
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: behind the curtain, after a word from our sponsors, welcome back,

478
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. As we promised before the break, we

479
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: have some possible explanations for some of these bizarre occurrences

480
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: in the Devil's Sea. Um. Starting off, there's pretty much

481
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: no way around it. But boats and ships and vessels

482
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: you know what float uh, they really have disappeared in

483
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: this area of the Pacific, you know quite a bit

484
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: in fact, um that much is true. But what's the

485
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: deal with the triangle or with with all of the triangles?

486
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: You know what? Why? What? Very the second like, what's

487
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: the deal with that? Any seinfeld bit seinfeld e rooney

488
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: too interesting? But really really really really yes, what's going on?

489
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Why aren't there more devil's squares or Devil's octagons. Obviously,

490
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: you know you gotta have some hangs and angles, Devil's pentagram.

491
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: Come on, that's what I'm saying. You know you Devil's

492
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: not a square. The Devil's not a circle, alright, Devil

493
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: is clearly a triangle or a series of triangles shaped

494
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: like a goat's head. Literally, edgy, Okay, too much, that's fine, Um,

495
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, like that's true. But what's what why? So

496
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: you know we there there is research that explorers some

497
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: of these environmental changes um as the cause of such

498
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: anomalies as said, triangle triangles. Um. One of these explanations

499
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: is that the vast field of methane hydrates that exists

500
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ocean in that area could

501
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: potentially have something to do with these disturbances that we

502
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: talked about. The originally of some people attributed to an

503
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: electromagnetic lost kind of situation. These are to me the

504
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: existence of these So yeah, this is this is very unfair.

505
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: Nature's brutal and unfair. This is one example Nature doesn't

506
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: care about you. No, not at all. Uh. There are

507
00:34:53,719 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: these deposits of methane hydrates gas that thing class rates,

508
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and when they reach a certain temperature, they will quote

509
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: unquote explode that temperature just so you know, is not

510
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: very insane in sixty four degrees thankfully there you know

511
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, they're these ice like

512
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: deposits that break off from the bottom and they can rise,

513
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: forming bubbles on the surface of the water. And again

514
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: this is just like, this is the scary part. This theoretical. Uh,

515
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: these gas eruptions could interrupt buoyancy. What this means is

516
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: they could easily sink a ship, leaving no trace of debris.

517
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: You would just be sailing along and then like it

518
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: would suck you down. Essentially, it almost you lose buoyancy,

519
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: so you would just you're the ship will just go.

520
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: When I pictured your Bermuda triangle, that's kind of what

521
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: I've always pictured is something like that. So that's pretty wild.

522
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: See in my head, it's it's a vortex essentially. So

523
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you're saying it literally just disrupts the ability of your

524
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: vessel to float. It would be like a bunch of

525
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: air bubbles down below your ship that you're going over

526
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: and you just kind of and it's not exactly that

527
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: because I pictured like the water just opening up in

528
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: like a hole and then you just fall down. And

529
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: I always pictured, you know, I remember so many films

530
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: or older, older things, like episodes of the Twilight Zone,

531
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: where there would be this gray, all enveloping fall rolling

532
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: in and then you know, the the captain or the

533
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: pilot of a plane, for instance, they do the thing

534
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: where they tap their there yea, their compass and stuff

535
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: and the altimeter and everything's going crazy and next thing

536
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: you know, it opens up in there in a weird

537
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: unknown land. But then they crashed or they're like on

538
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: top of a mountain or something. I remember, really, I gotta,

539
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: I gotta harp on this. So the water is affected

540
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: in such a way that it will not support the

541
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: weight of the ship. So here's here's the problem. No

542
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: one has ever seen an actual eruption like this. You

543
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't No one would be left to tell the tale.

544
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: No one knows how large the bubbles coming off the

545
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: methane deposit would be. But theory, but yeah, but the

546
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: scientists who pump your brakes, but the but the the

547
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: There are scientists who have conducted research on this, and

548
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: they found that they made a model of a single

549
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: large bubble coming up under a ship, and they trapped

550
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: trapped water between vertical class plates. They launched gas bubbles

551
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: from the bottom right, and they used a video camera

552
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: to record what happened to this whole they have floating

553
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: on the surface. If the thing is exactly above the bubble,

554
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: then it's safe. But if it's far enough way, if

555
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: it's where it's towards the edge, that it just sinks

556
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: in and so it doesn't explode, the bubble sort of

557
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: swallows it for lack of a better word, which to

558
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: me is more frightening than an explosion. No, you're helping

559
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: me out real big with my mental image of this phenomenon.

560
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: It's freaking me out. Uh this is is this uh

561
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: the best advertisement for cruise ever? I don't really. I

562
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: don't want to be that far out in the other man,

563
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, we just did the Titanic. I mean, like,

564
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: come on, we really are scaring people away from you know,

565
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: being on the ocean right now. Well, no reason to

566
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: stop yet, because there's a different explanation, right should we

567
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: get into great white sharks instead? You know? Because yeah,

568
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: what's up with you? Save that for another day. I'm

569
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: just saying, like, another reason why I don't like to

570
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: swim in the ocean. Bo okay, let's keep going. Oh okay, Well,

571
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: another reason that ships could disappear more frequently in this

572
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: area would be that small isle in this triangle and

573
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: the dragons triangle UH frequently disappear in new islands frequently

574
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: up here due to um volcanoes and seismic activity. We

575
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: cannot forget, ladies and gentlemen, about the Ring of Fire.

576
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: The Ring of Fire is this huge twenty five thousand

577
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: mile horseshoe shaped area in the basin of the Pacific

578
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: Ocean down there at the bottom, including in the area

579
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: that we consider to be the Devil's Sea. It's uh.

580
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: It's home to just a ton of earthquakes and volcanic

581
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: activity down there. It's associated with almost a continuous creation

582
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: of trenches, oceanic trenches, of volcanic arcs, volcanic belts, plate movements,

583
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: and it has over four hundred and fifty volcanoes. That's

584
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: over seventy of the world's active and dormant volcanoes exist

585
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: in this Ring of fire down at the bottom of

586
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: the ocean. So is it possible that a volcanic eruption

587
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: on the ocean floor could reach a ship. Well, yeah,

588
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: you're just talking about the release of gases again as

589
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the immense heat that's being generated right

590
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: below where the water is and then coming up and

591
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: meeting with that water, creating steam that has to get

592
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: pushed up. Again, you're talking about swallowing ships potentially. I

593
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: know that. Um, this is this kind of ridiculous. Twenty fifteen,

594
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: there was an active underwater volcano that was that came

595
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: to life off of Granada and you guys will really

596
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: enjoy the name. Are you ready? It was called the

597
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: kick Him Jenny volcano. Kick him Jenny. Yeah, yeah, like

598
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: that like three words. If it's New Zealand, Uh, keep

599
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: him kick him Jimmy, Jimmy or Jenny. Yeah, oh boy,

600
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: everybody and everybody in New Zealand. We apologize we've been

601
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: practicing this accident. I don't think we have any New

602
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Zealand listeners left at this point. No, right in and

603
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: let us know, actually, let us know about Keyweek conspiracies too.

604
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear those. Um. So the problem with

605
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: this is I'm bringing this up because this is a

606
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: good um, this is a good specific example of the

607
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: problems here because not only is a underwater volcano powerful enough,

608
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: as as Matt said, to affect the surface, but it

609
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 1: could even shoot hot rocks into the air. Uh, these

610
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: can be massive. In the case of kick Him Jenny Um,

611
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: scientists set up an exclusion zone for ships around the volcano.

612
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: Recreational ships had to stay three miles away from it,

613
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: and I think commercial ships had to stay a mile

614
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: or two away just in case. So it is completely

615
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: possible that some of these ships, maybe even the Maru

616
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: that we mentioned earlier number five, it is possible that

617
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: these ships were instead the victims of volcanoes. Wow. That's

618
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: terrifying and for me, much more terrifying than a mysterious

619
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: devil's area. Yeah, what about mysterious gas bubbles? That's that's

620
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: that's the one that gives me pause. Yeah, I feel

621
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: like a fiery death at c is Um more understandable

622
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: than just all this sudden saying, oh we're on the water,

623
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: now we're in it. Why can't I breathe? Yeah, Yeah,

624
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I mean, like a fiery death

625
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: and see, it seems like it would leave behind more

626
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: flotsam and jetsam and whatnot, and like the whole you know,

627
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: kicker of these of these places usually tends to be

628
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: gone without a trace, right, Like that's sort of like

629
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: the the calling card. I guess, yeah, and then if

630
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: you do find them, it's you know, fifty two hundreds

631
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: of years it or at the bottom of the sea.

632
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: And we'd like to know what We would like to

633
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: know what your experiences are, your maritime experiences, and most importantly,

634
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: what your take is on these ideas of uh the

635
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: Bermuda triangle, the Dragons triangle. Also, you know, I want

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Speaker 1: to ask people, well, which idea about this vile vortices

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Speaker 1: thing in general, because we would love to hear about

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Speaker 1: a source that comes from before the nineteen fifties. Let's say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do you live near one, right? Could

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Speaker 1: you go check it out? Or have you had any

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Speaker 1: experiences there? That's how we find out if we have

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Speaker 1: any friends in the Eastern Islands. If so, we may

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Speaker 1: be coming to uh your house to crash. Will be

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Speaker 1: there in two weeks? And is it? Will it take

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Speaker 1: us two weeks? Well, it's just there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: planning that goes into that. That's probably true. Ye, uh

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Speaker 1: so unfortunately, Yeah, a lot of the stuff about this

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Speaker 1: seems to have sprung up after the fact with a

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Speaker 1: little supporting evidence in the preceding literature. However, we do

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Speaker 1: know that there is absolutely nothing fictitious about losing ships

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Speaker 1: at sea. According to a maritime assure named Alian's, losses

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Speaker 1: at sea continue in the modern day. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: this is still clearly happening. We've got UM stats from

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven to indicating that the area comprising South China, Indonesia,

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Speaker 1: and the Philippines UM counted two hundred and forty nine

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Speaker 1: lost ships, while the area north of that think Japan,

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Speaker 1: the Korean Peninsula in the like counted a hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty three lost vessels. And these numbers are actually on

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Speaker 1: the decline thankfully. Yeah. The maritime industry on the whole

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Speaker 1: has seen the total number of losses decrease UM during

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Speaker 1: five and then the number of incidents or casualties also

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Speaker 1: is on a year over year UM downturn. And according

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Speaker 1: to a another report from Alian's, one of the big

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Speaker 1: questions would be how many ships disappeared without a trace

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Speaker 1: right overall UM from two thousand two thousand and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: there were only seven that were considered what they call

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Speaker 1: missing slash overdue. So you can still be missing for

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Speaker 1: two years and be overdue. Wow, missing for two years.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, it's not a fate I want to experience.

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Speaker 1: And so concludes our show. You know what we haven't

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Speaker 1: done in a little while? Is it at Gona? Our

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Speaker 1: first shoutout gos to Nick says high gang, love your show.

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Speaker 1: In the Effervescent episode three hundred, you mentioned blood donations.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a nine nine Pie podcast or

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Speaker 1: maybe radio lab where I first heard that donated blood

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Speaker 1: is a big business and that hospitals seek out more

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Speaker 1: blood than they need to sell it to other hospitals.

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Speaker 1: It might even have been stuff to blow your mind to,

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Speaker 1: come to think of it. Well, you need to get

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Speaker 1: your podcast straight, Nick, come on. In the process, in

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Speaker 1: the process, lots of plasma gets thrown away. Apparently, here

682
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Speaker 1: are a couple of links that go that take us

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Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole. So we sent us some great

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Speaker 1: stuff from w PTV. And then there's a nice little

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Speaker 1: reddit today. I learned section here. So we're gonna dive

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Speaker 1: into this, Nick and uh, we'll report back with what

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Speaker 1: we find. Literal blood money about plasma money same ring

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Speaker 1: to it doesn't it's a wave of the future though, right,

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Speaker 1: Plasma money, that's where all the money is. Let's get

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Speaker 1: in early. Our next shout out comes from Nicole. Hi, Guys,

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Speaker 1: what happened to the video podcast in the iTunes store?

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Speaker 1: I haven't received any new updates in quite some time?

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Speaker 1: Are the podcast audio only now? Thanks Nicole? Uh. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned the top of the show, we had some changes

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Speaker 1: in the works in terms of some investment in our

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Speaker 1: company and um, the podcast business. I guess he could say,

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Speaker 1: spinning off from the how stuff works in general. Uh.

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Speaker 1: With that has come kind of an emphasis on the podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and that means a less video and you know, Matt

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Speaker 1: and beyond the iTunes store, Apple Podcast Video Store, we

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Speaker 1: have put a pause on our video production for the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know video series, specifically

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, UM and anywhere else that you've

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Speaker 1: been watching our show, maybe on on Amazon, and we're

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Speaker 1: just putting a pause on that. Like Noel said, to

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Speaker 1: focus on this show. Uh, this thing that people who

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Speaker 1: make more money than us and make decisions above us

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Speaker 1: have faith in. So we're gonna keep going with it.

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Speaker 1: But there may be like opportunities online to supplement some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff we do here with some video stuff

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Speaker 1: for SOUF. We'll see but you know, a lot of

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00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: exciting new stuff coming down the pike, but we're not

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Speaker 1: fully aware of all of it yet. And thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for writing in Nicole. We have one more shout

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Speaker 1: out for today, but it's a it's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a doozy, so get comfortable in your seat or scoot

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Speaker 1: to the edge of it, you know, wherever you prefer

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Speaker 1: to encounter doozy messages. Uh hey, guys, says Laura B.

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Speaker 1: I just listened to your podcast about America's Zone of Death,

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Speaker 1: and I'm actually a former student Professor coult I attached

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Speaker 1: the photo of his class syllabus to prove it. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you guys giving him credit for this topic

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Speaker 1: because it's been showing up a lot on social media

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Speaker 1: without him being credited at all. That's a real that's

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Speaker 1: a real pill, I, Laura, I find that personally offensive. Um,

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Speaker 1: that was me, Ben, that wasn't Laura. Laurie continues, You

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Speaker 1: guys should give professor call to Google because he has

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Speaker 1: also written on a wide variety of other super interesting,

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Speaker 1: little discussed topics and I'm sure he'd be more than

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Speaker 1: happy to talk with you guys. Keep up the good work, Laura,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for writing in Laura. And here's

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Speaker 1: the bonus. Here's the doozy part. Professor Kay did right

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Speaker 1: back to us. He wrote back to us yesterday, I think,

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Speaker 1: and his his email was very, very kind, to the

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Speaker 1: point where I was thinking, Man, I wish you were

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Speaker 1: my professor. He uh, we'll just read some some brief

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Speaker 1: highlights here. Uh what they really liked wash, He said,

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Speaker 1: a few points. I heard and enjoyed your podcast about

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Speaker 1: my Yellowstone theory. I wanted to reach out offer my

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Speaker 1: enthusiastic participation with whatever else you want to do with

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Speaker 1: the subject. And also on the pardon power. As you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: A few points that came to mind as I listened.

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Speaker 1: One you called me doctor cult, but like so many

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Speaker 1: law professors, I'm not a PhD. Also, I pronounced cult

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Speaker 1: like halt or salt, not kilt. Uh. No worries, though

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Speaker 1: I've been called far worse. I think this guy's it creates.

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Speaker 1: It's a humor too. In case you get me feedback

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Speaker 1: on the Yellowstone theory, A very common responses that the

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Speaker 1: state of Idaho would just prosecute you and That's true

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Speaker 1: of most national parks. If the Feds couldn't prosecute you,

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Speaker 1: the state would be able to step in. But in

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Speaker 1: a few of them, like Yellowstone, the FEDS have exclusive jurisdictions,

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Speaker 1: so that's no go. Three, it's worth mentioning that if

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Speaker 1: you tried to use the loophole, you would still be

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Speaker 1: subject to get ensued civil liability and prosecuted for misdemeanors

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Speaker 1: for which you have no right to a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: You also would not be able to use the loophole

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Speaker 1: if you did any part of the crime, like forming

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Speaker 1: your intent or conspiring outside the zone. Oh man, you

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Speaker 1: know what that means. We're already guilty. Our our moonshine

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Speaker 1: operation already went elbows up. Uh. Perhaps most importantly, if

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Speaker 1: you're thinking employing something, there's probably someone else there with

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Speaker 1: the same idea, and he's bigger than you. All of

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Speaker 1: this eliminates much of the loophole's usefulness to would be criminals.

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Speaker 1: I still think the loophole is worth fixing, though, even

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Speaker 1: with all the reasons why it's limited and why it

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Speaker 1: might not work, there really is no good reason not

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Speaker 1: to fix it and just color inside the lines on

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Speaker 1: pardons Number One, you mentioned pardons declaring you guilty. I

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Speaker 1: wrote a short piece and attempt to do disabuse people

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Speaker 1: of that notion. And so he has a piece in

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal that he refers to pardons aren't

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Speaker 1: only for the guilty. And two he said self pardoning

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Speaker 1: was the subject of my first legal article in the

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Speaker 1: chapter of my book in two thousand twelve. If you're

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Speaker 1: ever interested in doing anything on pardons, I'd love to help.

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Speaker 1: And he also recommends uh chapter from a book called

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Speaker 1: Constitutional Cliffhangers, a legal guy for presidents and their enemies. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And it's on the loophole in the twenty second Amendment

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Speaker 1: that could allow a two term president to stay in power. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I want to do both of those. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to both be uh president state of power? Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: that specifically as well as self partnering and partnering in general.

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Speaker 1: I just want to learn more about that, and I

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Speaker 1: think people have to would want to as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let us know if you'd like to learn more about

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Speaker 1: legal loopholes. And we are going to be following up

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Speaker 1: with our new favorite law professor. And for now this

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Speaker 1: concludes our Gosh but not our show. If fear not

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. We will return next week with something

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Speaker 1: uh strange, either very new or very ancient and eldredge

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00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: but nonetheless fascinating. In the meantime, if you want to

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Speaker 1: get in touch with us, you can do the social

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Speaker 1: media thing. We are conspiracy stuff on Facebook and Twitter.

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Speaker 1: If you want to do the Instagram thing, we are

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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff show and Matt, I think there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a there's another way. We always talk about if people

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Speaker 1: don't want to do any of that stuff, what is

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Speaker 1: that It's three candles in a triangle. You have to

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Speaker 1: be in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and there's

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Speaker 1: one this area between Taiwan some volcanic islands anyway on

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Speaker 1: a raft made of cadavers. Yep, that's new raft, that's

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Speaker 1: new foreen. But that's definitely in the in the rules.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't want to do any of that

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Speaker 1: stuff in the cadaver boat just really doesn't you know,

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Speaker 1: strike your fancy, you can just write us an email.

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Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at house stuff works dot com.