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Speaker 1: Alrighty. First things first, Mary Christmas and happy holidays to

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Speaker 1: all of you and your families out there. Welcome once

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Speaker 1: again to Big Blue Kickoff live here on Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: The number, as always is two oh one four five

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Speaker 1: left today, as always on Wednesdays, is the two time

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Speaker 1: I guess uh, these are the as a football player,

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Speaker 1: a guy who's played the game, these are the ones

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Speaker 1: you don't want. You don't want it to be, the

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Speaker 1: sixteenth game of the season, being your last game in

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately you at times had been in this position. What's

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Speaker 1: the mindset of the play is going into this game? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think number one. The mindset of this football team

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Speaker 1: should be number one. Go out and play and perform

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Speaker 1: not only for the fans in this organization, but for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Do yourself your some justice here and make sure that

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Speaker 1: you leave it all on the line. Because let's face it,

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Speaker 1: this roster is going to completely change again going into

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Speaker 1: and this is the last opportunity for you to wear

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Speaker 1: when you have these opportunities, number one, just to play

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, it's a privilege, it's not a right. You

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Speaker 1: this season, it may never come again. So leave it

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Speaker 1: for this football team and going to next season with

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Speaker 1: on post by Let's face it, this is the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: since I became a Giant and O three, what's the

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Speaker 1: thing that fans always say to you, well, good luck

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Speaker 1: some positivity going into your mind to build off of

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Speaker 1: for this offseason. Because you may say it's a cliche, Well,

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Speaker 1: make a difference. I'll never forget going back to two

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Speaker 1: a lot for us as a football team to build

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Speaker 1: Look at this season, Look at the Jacksonville Jaguars. Did

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy holidays? Yeah, Merry Christmas. Do you guys too? Um, well,

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Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman, even though we've seen the improvement

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Speaker 1: in the oh line, does it have a long way

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Speaker 1: to go to get to the point of to be

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about super Bowl caliber caliber for going

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Speaker 1: for a division title. Well, I mean, obviously there's still

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Speaker 1: are going to be changes not only to that group,

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Speaker 1: but to other groups as well. And the best thing

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Speaker 1: that they can do is number one, like we said,

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Speaker 1: finish out the season at their best. But two, you

437
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Speaker 1: know that there's going to be competition at the positions,

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Speaker 1: especially on the right side of the offensive line, and

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Speaker 1: the one thing that you need at the center position.

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Speaker 1: You need stability. You need somebody that's gonna last and

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Speaker 1: be durable for the entire season, and that can really

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Speaker 1: have the intelligence to help out a quarterback in tough situations.

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Speaker 1: Because when we were rolling, when Sean was under center,

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Speaker 1: there were things that we can you to change things

445
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: based upon what we saw are identifying things. When you're

446
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: having interchangeable centers in there and you're having different guys

447
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: calling out not only just the way they see football,

448
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: but the way that they're going through their protections in

449
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: their schemes, it's really a lot more on the quarterback

450
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Speaker 1: to have to digest that, look at the receivers, do

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Speaker 1: everything else moving forward, where that center can really take

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Speaker 1: ownership of things up front and it can allow the

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Speaker 1: quarterback to take a deep breath and really digest where

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Speaker 1: he wants to go through his progressions and what the

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Speaker 1: defense is giving him. Dave, are we looking at a

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Speaker 1: competition in your judgment coming up at the center position

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Speaker 1: between Polly and Halapio. Halapio, it depends on how he

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Speaker 1: feels coming back from his injury. It's played and simple,

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Speaker 1: but also you know that entire right side there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be competition even with jamm Brown coming in and then

461
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Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that he's going to start and win

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Speaker 1: that position next year. They're gonna have to earn it,

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Speaker 1: right I I would think your left side is solidified,

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Speaker 1: Yeah to fight. Yeah, they they've gotten much better together.

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Speaker 1: They've improved. You could see the communication even on the

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Speaker 1: road non verbally. They've definitely ironed things out, and it

467
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Speaker 1: takes time to get that continuity playing next to somebody.

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Speaker 1: Figured that's been the only stable mainstay on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you something, folks, you want to see. I

470
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Speaker 1: used to think, you know, the quarterbacks were me and

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Speaker 1: my shadow with Eli uh and you know it always was.

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Speaker 1: I mean you spoke about it. I mean with the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks this year or last year, be a Gino and

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Speaker 1: and and Davis Webb, um Nate Soldier and Will Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're always walking together, and that's a that's

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Speaker 1: great to see, just like everybody would see me and

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Speaker 1: rich Soyber together or Christni and Kareem. That's the best

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Speaker 1: way to become a great unit. But to build that

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Speaker 1: trust and accountability not only yourself but in the player

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Speaker 1: next to you, that regardless of what takes place. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can look at one another and you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: fighting not only for each other, but for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the football team. And when you do those things,

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Speaker 1: it's it's amazing how it does equate to the way

485
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: you play as a group out on the football field

486
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: because you have that reliability, that trust, that confidence that

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Speaker 1: no matter what, we're going to stick together through thick

488
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Speaker 1: of them. You are watching Big Blue Kickoff live here,

489
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Speaker 1: presented to you by Corps Light. The number has always

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Speaker 1: is to A one five, one three. I am Rus

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Speaker 1: Salzburg along with David Deal. Let's now head out to

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Speaker 1: California a check in, a little warm and check in

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Speaker 1: with Mark. Hello. Mark, Happy holidays to you and yours.

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Speaker 1: Happy holidays. How are you guys doing? Okay? How are

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00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing great? So um, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Klon Barkley go ahead

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Speaker 1: okay and so um. You know, the last two games

498
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Speaker 1: didn't have great numbers, But do you credit that to

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Speaker 1: his offensive line, because Manning looked decent in that game.

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Speaker 1: He threw a couple of throws. I mean, the interception

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Speaker 1: at the end obviously was typical Manning, but How does

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Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley look this year? One thousand something yards and

503
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Speaker 1: about ten touchdowns, but he has about ninety catches almost

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Speaker 1: How do you think he looks off the shots tremendous?

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Speaker 1: How do you think he looks? I mean, he looks good,

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Speaker 1: But I mean do you credit to the offensive line?

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Speaker 1: Offensive line through five games when they went you know,

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Speaker 1: four and one looks great. But now all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden against Tennessee, whose defense is is good but not great,

510
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Speaker 1: made him look a little bit one dimensional. So do

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Speaker 1: you think moving forward they add to the offensive line

512
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Speaker 1: or do they add pieces around Manning? Do they get

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Speaker 1: a quarterback? I mean, what do you justin Herbert and

514
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: me looks like Carson Wentz, er like the Marcus Mariotta.

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Speaker 1: So how do you well what, as we said earlier,

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Speaker 1: justin Herbert's not coming out, so forget. But I'm also

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Speaker 1: answering this question about and I was just answering your

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Speaker 1: question about what you said about the Tennessee game. When

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Speaker 1: you're in weather conditions, yeah, you have to effectively run

520
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Speaker 1: the football. And part of it is the defense loading

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Speaker 1: up the box to scheme and shadow him as they

522
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Speaker 1: running back because they know what impact he has on

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Speaker 1: this offense. That's where it was critical to not have

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Speaker 1: the drops at the wide receiver position to open up things,

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Speaker 1: to open up the run game, because they had to

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Speaker 1: worry about the threat of play action and the passing game.

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Speaker 1: When you take that away and your receivers aren't dropping

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Speaker 1: the ball, what are you gonna do? You're gonna move

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Speaker 1: that safety out of the box. The receivers are dropping

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Speaker 1: the ball, why are you going to respect had had

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Speaker 1: six catches at the half. You hold on a second,

532
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, but okay, but if he wasn't doing it

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Speaker 1: in the first half, I mean, you know, coach Sherman says,

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Speaker 1: spread the ball around. You certainly saw an excellent performance

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Speaker 1: from Evan Ingram. But going back to what you say

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Speaker 1: in the last two games, that Mark, you're saying the

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Speaker 1: last two games, he wasn't running as well for your hearts.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think the factor? You know? Every everybody says, well,

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Speaker 1: it's great Odell, you know, and he's got now well Mark, Mark, Mark,

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Speaker 1: listen a second. Everybody says, well, hold on, Mark, why

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Speaker 1: are you gonna ask a question and give the answer

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Speaker 1: to it yourself? Done? You Mark? You keep talking about

543
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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Don't you think O'Dell was missed when

544
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Speaker 1: Odell is not in there? Don't you think it's easy

545
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: for defense is to concentrate on Quan and vice versa,

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Speaker 1: if if, if Quan is not in there, and not

547
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: to mention everybody has their fingerprint on a winner loss.

548
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Speaker 1: Did the defense hold up in the three of the

549
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Speaker 1: four drives in the second half for the Colts where

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Speaker 1: they score touchdowns? Yeah they did. Yeah, Well those things

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Speaker 1: go all hand in hand. Thanks for the call, Mark,

552
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: appreciate to have a good holiday. You know, it's funny

553
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Speaker 1: you say, Okay, it's yeah, he's good, he's good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing is it's always when is

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Speaker 1: a drop or an incomplete pass, it's the quarterback's fault. Well,

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Speaker 1: they never look at the other actors. Might have been

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00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: a drop by the receiver. Might it have been the

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00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: receiver being in the wrong spot. Might it have been

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00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line not supplying the protection. Might have been

560
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: the quarterback thrown to the wrong place. There's so many

561
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: five or six variables that could be. But it's always

562
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Speaker 1: Eli because that's the agenda this season and it just is.

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Speaker 1: And again I've said this before, We're not this is

564
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: not the Eli manning chamber of commerce from anything. But

565
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Speaker 1: and Eli will be the first guy. He never absolves himself.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he takes the heat of course, even when

567
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: it's not his fault. But I mean, he's good. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, one am, I I don't get that. I

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Speaker 1: just it's really surprising. I mean, the only reassuring thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not just, it's not just now, it's granted, this

571
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: is he's learning in the fire. He's learning his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Each and every game you go out there, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to give those big runs, but

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Speaker 1: you have to get gritty runs. And these are all,

575
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Speaker 1: like I said, for a young player like him to

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Speaker 1: have this type of season in his rookie season, to

577
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Speaker 1: be a pro bowler and who should be the rookie

578
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: of the year, there is only going this way. It's

579
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Speaker 1: only going to get better. Is it this way? Or

580
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Speaker 1: straight straight up? Because you think of now having a

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Speaker 1: full year digesting and understanding of this offense, think about

582
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Speaker 1: how many other packages that they're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: come up with next season. I'm where to put him

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Speaker 1: and to be able to move him around the field.

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Speaker 1: Think about how they do it with Christian McCaffrey. Look

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Speaker 1: at his effectiveness going from his first year to his

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Speaker 1: second year. It's unbelievable. And I do like something that

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Speaker 1: I heard him say. When I say him say, he

589
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Speaker 1: was asked, I forget who asked just recently. I mean,

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00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: I've heard him talk like that, but it was just recent.

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Speaker 1: Asked about you know, if it's an area where he

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00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: liked to see his game improved, he said, pass receiver.

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Speaker 1: And I could understand that, you know, I mean as

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Speaker 1: far as the running game, you know it clearly he

595
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: was helped, you know, vastly by the improvement of the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. When I say because the first half of

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Speaker 1: the season, a lot of the yards listen, he has

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Speaker 1: the ability to make those spectacular fifty seventy yard runs

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, a lot of those he'll make on

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Speaker 1: his own. But that's not just what it's about. It.

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Speaker 1: It's cnos seven eight yard runs, twelve yard runs, even

602
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: five and four as opposed to negative one. Remember that

603
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: first half of the season and he was leading the league.

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Speaker 1: I believe in negative yard rushes. Not to mention, do

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Speaker 1: you realize now with the speed, how much smaller an

606
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: NFL hole is compared to what it is in college.

607
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: The timing that you have to hit it within the

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00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: acceleration and to know if there's nothing there, put my

609
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: foot in the ground and go north and south to

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Speaker 1: get the most that I can out of it. And

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Speaker 1: you've seen him developed throughout this entire season to where

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Speaker 1: he isn't trying to bounce everything out like he was

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Speaker 1: in the beginning. Because of the athletic ability of the

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00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: linebackers of the defense vents to chase him down. He

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00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: was able to break that into only knowing when he

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Speaker 1: saw that safety or that corner crashing down that he

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Speaker 1: could out leverage him with the speed. That's a big difference. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you aren't seeing as much of the jitterbugging

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Speaker 1: look as you were seeing. You say, you brought up

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Speaker 1: something before, and you talk when you talk to a

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Speaker 1: guy coming into the league, almost to a man, they

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Speaker 1: all say that, well, especially skill position players all almost

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Speaker 1: to a man, when you say what's the biggest difference

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00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: between a college game and the pro game, they all

625
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: say the speed of the game. And it's not a

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Speaker 1: cliche the truth. In college you could have a blitz

627
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: like a Sami scrape and you can get it out

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: late and still pick it up in the pros. The scheme,

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Speaker 1: the design, the speed, the way that they hit, just

630
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Speaker 1: with precision. You're saying, look out is what you're doing

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Speaker 1: because there's no way to catch up to it. Is

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Speaker 1: it the same thing for rookie offensive lineman coming like

633
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Speaker 1: for a rookie offensive lineman, what's the biggest difference coming

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: into the league as opposed to being on the line

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Speaker 1: in college. The strength of the players that you're going

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Speaker 1: up against. And you don't have any weeks where you

637
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Speaker 1: know that you're gonna go into this football game and

638
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: just straight dominate where you did in college, like Okay,

639
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Speaker 1: I I got this one. Not that you're not preparing,

640
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: not that, but you just have that confidence that I'm

641
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to just man handle this guy. When

642
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: you come in as a rookie, not only are you

643
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: learning an entire new scheme of what defenses are coming

644
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: at you with, but you're learning the individual players strengths

645
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: and weaknesses and how to break goes down. Because when

646
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: you're a rookie, they're throwing everything that they can at

647
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: you to see if you can adjust to it. Correct

648
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong to me. You know, when they

649
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: talk about other positions, skill position is something else. But

650
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: when you talk about, for example, offensive lineman. Offensive lineman

651
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: come into the league and you know they're big, strong,

652
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: strapping guys. But if you, let's say you're a twenty

653
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: two year old, you come into the league and you're playing,

654
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: but now you're playing against some eight year old men

655
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: who have the experience over you, and it's like whoa.

656
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: You know. I'll tell the story. After I got drafted

657
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: to be a New York Giant. The following week, we

658
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: had a rookie mini camp out here in East Rutherford

659
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: fly out land at Newark. Scout picks me up. We

660
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 1: go to the Old Giants Stadium, park up, walk down

661
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: the tunnel below. I walk into the locker room. I

662
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: see my locker and it has my name on there.

663
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is cool. Sure enough, here comes

664
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: walk and somebody around the corner, Hey man, what's up.

665
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm like hey. I turned to the scout. I'm like,

666
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: who was that guy? And they're like, oh, that's Keith

667
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Hamilton's ers are three technique. I'm like, wait, what that's

668
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the first guy. I'm like, I'm gonna have to block

669
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: that guy in practice every single day and talk about

670
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: an eye opener because he is one of the biggest

671
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: individuals and he was a grown man walking by me

672
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: right there. Instantly, you know that this is no joke anymore.

673
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: And you have some people out there that it's not

674
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: like college where they're out there fighting, scratching and clawn

675
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: not only to stay in the league, but to also

676
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: have pride in what they're doing. Yeah, I always gotta

677
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: kick you mentioned like you can be, you know, like

678
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: we talk about Dalvin before Thomason, Yeah, you can be

679
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: coming from Alabama, but you get to the pros, it's

680
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: a different deal. Like I always laugh when people would say, boy,

681
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: that Alabama team, they could beat a ProTeam. Now that ain't. No,

682
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: that's not happening. Don't don't get me wrong. There is

683
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: a quality in talent there, but that's a whole different animal.

684
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: We're talking about different beasts absolute college game, in the

685
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: pro game. Different beast two O one nine three, nine

686
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: four or five one three is a number. Let's go

687
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: down to our friend in North Carolina, say hello and

688
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: a merry Christmas and a happy Holidays to fill How

689
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: you doing, buddy, you're on with Ruts. Give us a

690
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: call back, Phil, We'll put you back up two A

691
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: one nine, four five one three the number there. Phil.

692
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: We lost North Carolina the the But yeah, I mean

693
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: I always feel that about offensive lineman, that that's to

694
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: me other than the skill position. I just think, you know,

695
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: when when you see young guys in other sports is

696
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: one thing football it's grown men, and it's tougher to

697
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: be a young guys. You have to be mentally tough, Yeah,

698
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: mentally because things aren't always going to be perfect like

699
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: in college. Alright, Phil, is that we gotta frow back up?

700
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: How you doing? Phil? Happy holidays? You're on with us

701
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: and David, I thank you guys. I'm sorry it may

702
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: be something that I'm doing on this end because I'm

703
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: kind of phone I literate, But anyway, uh so so

704
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: always good to here. Dame. Were talking about blocking and

705
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: stuff and and I'm gonna throw another variable in on

706
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: the se quanting. Couldn't be that he's hitting his rookie

707
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: wall because you know, I'm trying to factor in all

708
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: the things that cause diminished to return the last two games,

709
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: and it seems like a few times when he has

710
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: a little space, his legs don't seem as fresh as

711
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: it was in the first couple of games, and and

712
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: so so that's something. And and one other thing I

713
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: want to add is David mentioned Keith Tantilton the Hammer,

714
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and he was always one of my favorite players and

715
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: and it still irks me to this day that two

716
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: thousand Super Bowl he got called for whole defensive holding

717
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: winds Pick had that interception. So I'm gonna uh listen

718
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: to stare and thank you very much, guys. Happy holidays,

719
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: all right, Phil, thank you. You know, first of all,

720
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: take into account there's no Odell Beckham Jr. Out on

721
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: the field, and when you're playing up against the defense

722
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: and their whole main objective is to stop you, they

723
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: will find ways to stop you, to open up things

724
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: for other guys to make plays. But that didn't happen consistently.

725
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he hit a rookie wall. I don't

726
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: think that that's the case whatsoever. I think that other

727
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: teams and other defenses realized that this offense was going

728
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: through him without Odell Beckham Jr. On there, and their

729
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: main number one goal was to shut him down. I

730
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but you know I've been asked

731
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: that you know you think he's getting tired, Well, I

732
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: think everybody gets tired. You know, if he's getting tired,

733
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: he's not alone. I think everybody gets tired. I just listen,

734
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: you're not talking about they just had a receiver out.

735
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: You had one of the best receivers in all of football.

736
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: And that's gonna factor in. You know. That's why I

737
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: was giggling a couple of weeks ago and thinking people

738
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: at the task. Anybody who says the Giants would be

739
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: better without Odell or this other narrative that Odell is

740
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: soft because he doesn't really want to play is just stupidity,

741
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: because I I watch how hard he's working. I've seen

742
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: him there, you know, working alone. I mean it's killing him.

743
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: Go ask his teammates. It's killing him not to be there.

744
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: But it is what it is. And and then the questions,

745
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: you know they keep asking Pat Sherman. Well, then there's

746
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: the flip side of it. The flip side is is

747
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: it worth risking him to be hurt? Because and and

748
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: my question on that, my my answer to that is

749
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: you risk getting hurt when you sign your NFL contract

750
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: and put on the uniform that comes with the territory.

751
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: You have the opportunity and the chance that you could

752
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: get hurt just walking out to practice. We've seen things

753
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: that it's been non contact, where it's been every time

754
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: you put on a helmet. There is that chance. But

755
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: you don't live by that chance or fear. You lived

756
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: by your expectations and being a professional weekend and week out,

757
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: and whatever you start, you finished. And that's an example

758
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: that you set as a veteran on a football team.

759
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: You know that that. I'll tell you also where that

760
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: narrative goes about is it worth the risks? Certain certain

761
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: people are throwing that out in the media. Is it

762
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: worth the risk hoping? Because this is how the mindset works.

763
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: If he gets hurt, Bingo, now I can take the

764
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: Giants to desk, I can take Sherman to desk, I

765
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: can take Odelta task. It's just nonsensical thinking getting hurt,

766
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: like and Odell says, yeah, you can get hurt. You

767
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: can your risk every day. I just I just laughed

768
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: some of those same people saying that, oh what about

769
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: next season, you don't want him to get injured, or

770
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: the same people arguing when he got his new contract

771
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: he's not durable, he doesn't finish all throughout the season.

772
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't. You can't have it both ways. Well, but

773
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: that's that's the way they want it. It's just I mean,

774
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: the thought of him, the team would be better off

775
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: without him. I mean, that's like Christmas being better without

776
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. True, it makes everybody better on the field.

777
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just some of the stuff this season

778
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: and it remarks like that, I'll just laughable. It really is.

779
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: I I just you're talking about not a quality player,

780
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: you one of the best players in league period. Would

781
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: the Giants be better off without him? I mean, and

782
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: then what was the other one today? But but there's

783
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: no but I mean, you know, he he he is

784
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: just so flat out dynamics a Quan. But the other

785
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: thing that I've said about Sequin, I don't ever remember

786
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: a rookie in this town. And I've said it, folks,

787
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: You've heard me say it on several occasions this season.

788
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't ever remember a rookie on any sport, including

789
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter, come in so grounded and level headed with

790
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: the leadership as Quan. And remember something, I'm not taking

791
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm a big Derek the guy. I'm not taking anything

792
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: away from Derek. But Derek didn't come in as a

793
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: rookie with the fanfare because you're talking about the number two. Yes,

794
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: you know he was. Derek was. I think he was

795
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth. But it's different, it's different, it's different.

796
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Oh oh buddy from Columbia, Maryland. Lenn Is on the line,

797
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: how you doing, Len, Welcome, Merry Christmas, Happy holidays, my friend.

798
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: Thank you the same to you and to what can

799
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: we help you with? What do you got today? Well, hey,

800
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: listen entertaining game on Sunday. Um, you know, disappointing the

801
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: way it ended. So you know, you get you get

802
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: down to the last minute, it's fifty five seconds and

803
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: the thing turns around. Um, kind of. And we've seen

804
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: that second half of the season. We've seen that three

805
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: or four games. I can if you throw the Bears

806
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: game in, there's like four games you get to the

807
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: last minute, and you know, things happen. We just can't

808
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: seem to you know, can't seem to close it out.

809
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: I wish I knew what the what the answer was.

810
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: It's learning we've been talking about. I don't know if

811
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you've just two den Land, you know,

812
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: I heard the whole show. Well, it's learning to close

813
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: the deal, to finish the deal. Yeah, yeah, I think

814
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: that's probably it. Hey, Russell, let me let me tell

815
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: you one related to what we're talking about, and David

816
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: will appreciate this. Um. Nineteen fifty five, Brooklyn Dodgers beat

817
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: the Yankees four games to three in one world you know,

818
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: the famous World Series win. Russe will remember it well, Listen,

819
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I was four at the time. Okay, alright, remember Johnny

820
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: Potter and they went to enough to nothing two in

821
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: the bottom two outs in the bottom of the ninth.

822
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: When the game was over, somebody asked, Pee wee Rees,

823
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: what were you thinking about with two outs the bottom

824
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: of the ninth, game seven? He said, please, don't hit

825
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: the ball to me. Hilarious. So what did Elson Howard do?

826
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: We hit a groundball to Pee wee Rees. He picked

827
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: it up, he threw the Hodges game over, Dodgers win

828
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: the World Series. It worked, it worked out for them.

829
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: But David, I wonder how much of that is in

830
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: this in this defense? Um, you know, oh, I hope

831
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: the play doesn't come my way. Um, you know, looking

832
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: for somebody else to make the play. Now, maybe there's

833
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: not enough leaders on the field. You know, what is

834
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: that possible, David? I mean you get to the end

835
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: here and people start looking around, like, who's gonna make

836
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: a play? Oh? I hope the ball doesn't come my way.

837
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: It is. It's a fair question. But to be honest

838
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: with you, I don't think it's more about I don't

839
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: want to make the place somebody else should. I just

840
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: think it's a part of the fundamentals, the details that

841
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: go along with playing in the NFL. Think about down

842
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: on the goal line, the Curtis Riley blitz off of

843
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: the edge. That is a prime example not of not

844
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: wanting to make the play, but not doing it with

845
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: the proper technique, because what you're told to do is

846
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: to scrape right off of the edge. Therefore you're not

847
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: going to get out leveraged, and if they do hand

848
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: off the football, you're not gonna get beat upfield and

849
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: get cut underneath. It's a prime example of a well

850
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: designed defensive scheme and play called for that specific reads that,

851
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: but the details of it weren't carried out. You know, Lennon,

852
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: play that that David's talking about that jumped off the

853
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: screen at you. It was like the cartoon whoops, Which

854
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: way did he go? Boss? Which way did he go?

855
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: And the other thing was in the games, in the

856
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: games post by that the Giants that you know, that

857
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: was really something that was a strange one. Well, you know,

858
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: along the along the same lines. I just want to

859
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: ask you your your own feeling. You're you're on the

860
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: sidelines and that oh seven Super Bowl, you're getting ready

861
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: to go back in the last series, there's the classic

862
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: picture of you know, stray hand yelling at the offensive

863
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: line there. What do what do you guys think? What

864
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: do you thinking David when you go in for that

865
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: last series where Eli took you down the field and

866
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: the Tyree catch the past the burbs at the end,

867
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: what do you what do you thinking, David? No penalties,

868
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: no sacks, get up, get set, communicate and go out

869
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: there and get the job done. Playing and simple, yeah,

870
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: I I can. I can remember you in those scenes, David.

871
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: You know the films of Michael sitting there trying to

872
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: spur you guys on, and I'm I'm looking at you

873
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: and there was there was a look in your eye

874
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: like we're not going to lose this game. No, we

875
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: had confidence. Just give us the opportunity we got to

876
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: get it done. I could see it. I could see it.

877
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: You didn't. You didn't need Michael and he's a he's

878
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: a great player. I'm not This is not an knock

879
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: on Michael, but you didn't, you guys at that point,

880
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: I didn't need that. I planned to sit here and say,

881
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: a perennial Hall of Famer, all Pro Pro bowler who's

882
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: a legacy going in front of you, cheering you on,

883
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: to say that that's got a good factor to look

884
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: at in his final season as a Giant. Yeah, did

885
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: we need the words of encouragement. We knew what we

886
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: had to do, but the magnitude of the situation with

887
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 1: Michael right there definitely intensified the situation. Land I'm gonna

888
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: tell you something, that little speech there to the offensive

889
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: line by by Stray is one of the things I

890
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: will always remember in sports for two reasons. Number one

891
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: was it was just what what David said. It was

892
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: about a future Hall of Famer. The other thing was

893
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: that impressed me, and I mean this is the most

894
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: complimentary way to Dave. The intensity and the way you

895
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: guys were staring at everywhere, and he was saying like

896
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: almost like young kids listening to a coach was like, yeah,

897
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go out. It's like, let's get him.

898
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: That was the attitude. Now, I'm not saying that it

899
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: had to be Michael, but that's sure as hell didn't hurt.

900
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: And why were we able to have that confidence in

901
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: that look in our eye? What eleven straight games on

902
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the road? We were? How many games with late fourth

903
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: quarter drives or drives in overtimes to win football games?

904
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: And it was all based upon our preparation and getting

905
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: it done and not having the mishaps that sometimes take

906
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: place during those things. Looking at this last game or

907
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: games this weekend, where you're running down the clock and

908
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: you see a wide receiver go to throw the football

909
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: to the official instead of handing it to him. We've

910
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: seen it where the official drops the ball, that ball

911
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: is rolling all over the place. That's four or five

912
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: seconds to where they're not setting it up. All based

913
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: upon not being detail oriented and doing it. Yeah, no, listen,

914
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean, let me can I ask can I ask

915
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: one more question? This is gonna be a tough question

916
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 1: to answer, but I appreciate your input on this. Look,

917
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: there's there's no way to get around the seven year

918
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: record I mean, whether you look at it from individual,

919
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: whether you look at the last seven years, whether you

920
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: look at it in the division. I mean, the indivision

921
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: record shows us to be non competitive. I mean we're

922
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: well below five. And if you look at the overall record,

923
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's well below I mean there are

924
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: there are problems. What what do you guys see is

925
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: one change that can move us towards the playoffs next year? Well,

926
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about I mean, where where do we start.

927
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: You're talking about a time period that Dave Kettleman and

928
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer weren't in control of. So we can't sit

929
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: here and put that on them. But the thing that

930
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: you can't say that you can look forward to at,

931
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: say Kwan Barkley, look at the season he had, look

932
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: at the fact that this is an organization and people

933
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: in charge like Dave Guttiman and Pat Shermer that aren't

934
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: scared to make moves to help their football team when

935
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: they knew it's the right call. Patrick in the past

936
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: one of those guys. And you know how many times

937
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: have we heard over the last seven years we've wasted

938
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: Eli's best years. Yeah, we haven't surrounded them with enough players.

939
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: We've wasted his years. Are we going to get to

940
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: a point where we're gonna be saying the same thing

941
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: about Barkley? Well, I mean, look at the last two games, David.

942
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just there, and that was the most

943
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: dynamic receiver out on the football field for those games. Okay, Well, yeah,

944
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: I mean and when they were openings because they had

945
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: a loaded box and a player's shadowing s quon in

946
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: the Tennessee game, were there opportunities that there were dropped

947
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: by the wide receiver that opens up the running game

948
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: to give more flexibility and where you can open up

949
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: your schemes. Yeah, we gotta get it blocked up, David. Well,

950
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: even with that, when there were chances for receivers to

951
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: make plays, they didn't make those plays. All of these

952
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: things go hand in hand because once again, being able

953
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: to run the football helps an offensive live play better

954
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: throughout a game. Yeah. I guess my I guess my

955
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: question was more out of frustration than Criticis that's what

956
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: it sounded. I hope you guys took it that way. Yes,

957
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't criticism as much it was, you know, as

958
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: as much as it was frustrating. I mean, that the

959
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: the losers are piling the losses are piling up. I

960
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: mean they're piling up. I mean, you know, you just

961
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: look at our two year records a little. I mean,

962
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: so so it is, you know, it's it's frustrating that fans.

963
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's frustrating for the players and its ownership.

964
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: It's all over the building. And I agree with that,

965
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: but you know, less somebuddy, we gotta go. Thank you. Okay, okay,

966
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: thank you. Listen, Happy New year. We don't talk again.

967
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: What are you you too, buddy? But you see you

968
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: can hear the frustration. You very well said it very well. Listen,

969
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: I get from a fan standpoint, you're talking about the

970
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: seven years and this and that this is this is

971
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: Dave Gettelman and Pat Shermer's first year. Okay, they got

972
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: nothing to do. You know, that was other people. It's

973
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: another situation. This is a new regime, you know. And

974
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: and Dave brought it up when he had to cut

975
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: his losses. He wasn't sitting there waiting for it to

976
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: be proven. Right, Okay, I gotta get rid of oh momy.

977
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: In fairness with Eric Flowers, I thought he did the

978
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: right thing. He was saying, everybody gets a clean slate.

979
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: He gave him a chance. It didn't work out, and

980
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: it sends a message to the rest. And the other

981
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: thing is is that when we sit here looking forward, yes,

982
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: was it perfect? Was it seemed? What was? Was it consistent? No?

983
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: But post by we've seen bright spots. We've seen progress

984
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: not only as groups but as individual players. And that's

985
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: all you want to see, to have something look back

986
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: on in this season that there's something to hang your

987
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: hat on, that there are strengths, but there are also weaknesses.

988
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: How do we balance those out and put ourselves in

989
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: the best position not only just to win next season,

990
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: but to win the division. That's your number one goal

991
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: because that secures your spot in the playoffs, but to

992
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: make a run because like I said, year in and

993
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: year out, the NFL changes, the parodies even that much

994
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: tougher when you're playing in the NFC East. Look at

995
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: this season, look at it. Every year there's either a

996
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: new winner, or every year there's a team that gets hurt,

997
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: or every year there's a team that doesn't hit their expectations.

998
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: What year is it going to be next year? It's

999
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: all based upon what they do in this offseason, what

1000
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: do to improve this football team and what they do

1001
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: to produce wins out on the fieldbeck season. You know,

1002
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: Bill Purcelves, I've said this, you heard what you said,

1003
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: quote him several times. Ourselves always used to say, all

1004
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: you gotta do is get into the tournament. That's all

1005
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: you gotta do. And no better example of that this

1006
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: guy and his two Super Bowl championship teams. No better

1007
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: example of exactly. Okay, once was the division was a

1008
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: division winner, one was a wild card. But the bottom

1009
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: line is you played in the wild card games. I

1010
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: mean you, well, yeah, we were the underdog that nobody

1011
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: picked us to win. That was it. But that's all

1012
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: you need is just that opportunity and you can capitalize

1013
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: on it. It's not about those seventeen weeks. It's about

1014
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: that one game and getting hot at the right time.

1015
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: But the goal is to get in. And that's why

1016
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: when people say, um, how far off are the Giants,

1017
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Giants are going automatically with winning

1018
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: the division uh next year at the NFC East, But

1019
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, we whether this season is disappointing or not,

1020
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: with five wins, it's still a better season than last season.

1021
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: You know, like if you want to go buy the numbers. Okay,

1022
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: so you've got two more wins than last year. But

1023
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: there's a different attitude. There's a different locker room, and

1024
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: that counts for something. And when I say something, you know,

1025
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: the one thing that was always constant when you played

1026
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: and I remember it was a good locker room. And

1027
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: we have a good locker room covering the giants this year.

1028
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: It's a good locker room with good with good guys,

1029
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: all of them, and they root from one another. That's it.

1030
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: That that becomes the bottom line. I just um, listen,

1031
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: it's the end of the season. Nobody likes you know,

1032
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: I've said this, and people have taken me to task

1033
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: when I say nobody hates to losing more than the players.

1034
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: I still maintain that, and trust me, as miserable as

1035
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: the fans are talking to those guys in the locker room,

1036
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: none of them are happy about going home, none of them.

1037
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: It is it is it's just nobody likes it. Not

1038
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: the players, not the not the guys asking the players

1039
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: the questions. Nobody likes it. The season is coming to

1040
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: an end. But having said that, this edition of Big

1041
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live is coming to an end. Our thanks

1042
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: to Dave Dominic the way my thanks to my buddy

1043
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: here David Deal. As always to you fans out there,

1044
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: I am russ Salzburg. We won't be speaking to you

1045
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: until at least I won't be speaking to you until

1046
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: um January second, which will be next Wednesday. But until

1047
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: then have yourself as a happy holiday. If you're going

1048
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: out on a road that night, make sure you drive safe,

1049
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: be well. All the best to you and your families.

1050
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: See you next week. M