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Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody. It is training camp week here in Houston.

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Speaker 1: Get excited in the time for Texans All Access. John

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Speaker 1: Harris here in the voice of the Texans. Mark van

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Speaker 1: Amir there, Mark, good evening. How are you doing, Johnny.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. The guys are at the building. This

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Speaker 1: is fun being here in the Huntday Texans Radio studio

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Speaker 1: and seeing the players kicking around. Well they're not really

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Speaker 1: kicking around. It's probably a bad verb to use, but

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Speaker 1: they're here and it's cool, and I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: the first practice on Friday morning. We'll be out there live.

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Speaker 1: We will eight to ten Sports Radio six ten. It'll

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Speaker 1: also be I would imagine eventually on the app. If

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Speaker 1: you happen to miss it live, but don't miss it live,

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Speaker 1: do not miss a live show like this one. Don't

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Speaker 1: miss this one. We have got to start the show

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Speaker 1: unfortunately with some of the worst news we could possibly

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Speaker 1: be bringing you in it really, Mark, I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 1: When we got the text yesterday from our good friend

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Speaker 1: Jay McDevitt, I just I was speechless. I about fell

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Speaker 1: off the couch like this cannot be happening again. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe this. He saw it happened in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: with David Kusenberry. So it happened in twenty eighteen Wire

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Speaker 1: Hawe just weird, and it's every four years, And now

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Speaker 1: it happens in twenty twenty two with John Metchi the third.

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Speaker 1: John Metchi the Third will miss more than likely this season,

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Speaker 1: dealing with leukemia. And I had to read the statement

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Speaker 1: that came from the Texans that was quoting John. I

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Speaker 1: had to read a Mark at least three different times

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Speaker 1: John Metchi dealing with leukemia, And of course, all those

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Speaker 1: thoughts kind of go back through your head. And I

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Speaker 1: hate to say that we've been there, done that, but

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Speaker 1: the first thought was he's inny Houston, the best place

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Speaker 1: he could possibly be going through something like this, in

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Speaker 1: the city of Houston, and he's going to be okay,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get past this. We'll see John Metchi playing

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Speaker 1: football field would be safe. All those kind of things.

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Speaker 1: Everything's just going back through your head. That's went through

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Speaker 1: your head with David Quisenberry and with Andre Howe and

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Speaker 1: now going through with John Metchi. But what what's your

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Speaker 1: good reaction, Mark when you heard that news yesterday, when

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Speaker 1: Jay sent that statement to us, We'll save as you, Johnny.

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Speaker 1: And the first thing is okay, He's gonna be all right.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be all right. This is the most treatable form.

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Speaker 1: This is great news that on a personal health level,

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Speaker 1: John Metchi is gonna be okay. Now you go to

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Speaker 1: the football stuff, right, And as far as the Texans

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Speaker 1: having three players in the last ten years with this,

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Speaker 1: Metchi has not been on campus long enough to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's Houston or whatever living in this area. Now it's

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Speaker 1: completely different. This is a remarkable coincidence. And it hurts

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Speaker 1: the wide receiving room. Again, I'm talking about a football

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Speaker 1: point of view. Share the health is the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be okay, but he's got to do the

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Speaker 1: work in terms of rehab, recovery. Ring that bell whatever

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Speaker 1: they do. Look, ringing the bells not exactly part of

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Speaker 1: the treatment. It's just a ceremonial thing. But we all

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Speaker 1: get it, and we all remember Quisenberry doing it. And

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Speaker 1: look he ended up starting for the number one seed

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Speaker 1: played really well. So we're hoping Metschi can do the same.

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Speaker 1: But this year, Johnny, I'll throw it back to you

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Speaker 1: my expectations of Metschi this year. I was very hopeful

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Speaker 1: Whether it's health or not, maybe it's going to take

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Speaker 1: there was a big question mark about Metschi anyway heading

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Speaker 1: into camp. So I figured sometime during the season he'd

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Speaker 1: And what this does, football wise, is obviously weak in

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Speaker 1: your depth. If nothing else, it takes away a potentially

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Speaker 1: You never know how that rookie year was going to go,

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Speaker 1: So of course the statement comes down and all these

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Speaker 1: But maybe not. But the first thing I thought of was, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be okay. That was the first thought, because

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Speaker 1: we've seen this before, David. We saw with Dre he's

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, from a football standpoint, I had already

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Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, there's no reason to push this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: seen players come back from the ACL the following year

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Speaker 1: neither here nor he could have come back. Take the

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Speaker 1: Lucimi out of it. He comes back at any point,

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Speaker 1: game two, game nine, game twelve, whatever, we were going

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Speaker 1: And actually, I know again because we talk about football,

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Speaker 1: we know we're gonna miss him from a medical standpoint,

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Speaker 1: so I get that, But just talking from a meta

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Speaker 1: from a football side, you're gonna miss him for half

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Speaker 1: a year. So you want to know how crazy my

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Speaker 1: brain went at that point, Danny am and Dola crazy? Nope,

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Speaker 1: how about how about trade for Deebo Samuel crazy? That's

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy. That's crazy, that's pretty crazy. But that's where

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Speaker 1: I went. Yeah, that's where I went. You're not doing that,

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Speaker 1: I know, I understand. But then I talked myself into it.

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Speaker 1: You did and talk myself into it, and I was like, Nick,

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Speaker 1: I had this conversation in my living room with Nick, Like, Nick, look,

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Speaker 1: you gotta know, Matchi, you're not gonna have him this year,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna get You're gonna get the next year.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine having a receiving corps with Nico and

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Speaker 1: Brandon and Matchi and Deebo all together? Holy smokes, make

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Speaker 1: sticking with San Francisco. I don't know. Maybe he gets

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Speaker 1: be foolish to trade Deebo Samuel, but I started thinking

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Speaker 1: return to the planet Earth. Now I know, No, it

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Speaker 1: would be fun. It would be fun. I think this

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Speaker 1: again purely football. You need to know Metchi's health situation

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Speaker 1: going into the draft. That would be very helpful. I

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Speaker 1: gotta know that in twenty twenty three, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: healthy Metchi back from the knee, back from leukemia. Which

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Speaker 1: sounds bizarre to say, but didn't Andre Halle come back

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah, he remember it happened in May and

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Speaker 1: I mean that's wild. Yeah, that wild. But it was

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Speaker 1: week eight. It was in October, right, it was October.

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Speaker 1: Crazy that he gets back that quickly. Now, Quesenbury took

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Speaker 1: and called the battle Red Bridge. I've been asking for

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Speaker 1: because it's all political and there things involved. Never mind,

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Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. Anyway, we all saw question of

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Speaker 1: hopefully it's pretty quick, right, not be as quick as

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Speaker 1: to practice in OTAs. That would be nice, and you know,

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Speaker 1: learn the system then and have Nick Casserio know that

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three draft, he doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: take a receiver early unless he really wants to it.

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Speaker 1: There's an unbelievable player and he's like, yeah, we gotta

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Speaker 1: have him too, So that would be great. And as

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Speaker 1: far as this year goes, look, let's shall we go

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Speaker 1: over the names. Shall we go over some of the

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Speaker 1: guys that we're gonna be looking at here because Brandon Cooks,

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Speaker 1: Nico Collins, Philip door Set, let me just start with

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Speaker 1: those three right there, and there's are others. That's a

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Speaker 1: good start. And you have these good citizens who can

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Speaker 1: sure how it's gonna go when they get to their

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Speaker 1: also have intriguing prospects here. We still want to see

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Speaker 1: what dave On Davis does as a Houston Texans still

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Speaker 1: want to see does Drew Estrada. That's the name that

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Speaker 1: many people don't know. Undrafted Rookietta Baylor right, yes, what

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Speaker 1: he could lead though he went to Dartmouth. He graduated

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Speaker 1: up a great point. I wrote about this probably two

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Speaker 1: you're looking for at that particular position. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: you you've fallen over a guy with those kind of skills.

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Speaker 1: You just hope and I hope that he just unleashes

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Speaker 1: that kind of Bobby Bouchenes just get angry. We're leaving

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Speaker 1: somebody out. Who are we leaving out? And he doesn't

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Speaker 1: even play receiver as a position group Brevin Jordan. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can really help the situation. There's no doubt. You

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Speaker 1: know mechi no metchi whatever you want to think about

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Speaker 1: the receiving group. Brevin Jordan's part of the receiving group. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a tight end, no doubt. I don't I know

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Speaker 1: you've brought this up, but red zone threat, ability to

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Speaker 1: make plays in the slot, things like that. It's gonna

436
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Speaker 1: be very interesting with these two sophomore players now, Nico

437
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Speaker 1: Collins and Brevin Jordan. You you have learned, well, Grasshopper,

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what I've been thinking about this receiver

439
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Speaker 1: group because I think of five or six, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: well you keep five because you got Brevin. Brevin is

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Speaker 1: like having a receiver. So I like the way you

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Speaker 1: think he's like it advanced to Steven Anderson, Like what

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Speaker 1: you wanted Steven Anderson to be. Yeah, Anderson could make

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Speaker 1: plays on occasion. You know, he had ability that game

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Speaker 1: they had up in Nashville where they had no receivers. Yeah,

446
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: and Steven Anderson was playing receiver. Did he make that

447
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: big catch on fourth and he did? Remember the one? Yeah,

448
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: the one from Savage you get slide underneath it and

449
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Speaker 1: make the catch. Yea. He was credible. He was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots had on the practice squad for a while,

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Speaker 1: a whole lot longer than they had Calle Wearing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I mean, you know, they gave him Wearing,

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Speaker 1: somebody would sign him, and then a day later he's

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Speaker 1: gone like, wait, what poor guy, Wait, we have to

455
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Speaker 1: have that guy. No, we don't. Oh, I hate to

456
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Speaker 1: pick up. So he's a nice kid, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just getting the playbook route right. Whatever

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Speaker 1: the situation is. They get him in their stable and

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Speaker 1: they're like, not exactly what we're looking for. Look, it's hard, folks.

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Speaker 1: This is professional football. It's not for everybody. It's just tough.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I was one of the first ones

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Speaker 1: to talk about how hard it is to play water polo,

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Speaker 1: and he'll be fine, it's just day No, be fine, fine, No,

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Speaker 1: it's fine water polo. It didn't turn out that way.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, Brevin. If you think about me and

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Speaker 1: how METSI is gonna be used on the interior more

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Speaker 1: than likely. It's tantalizing. Well, how do you replace that?

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Speaker 1: Replace that with a guy like Brevin Jordan and where

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Speaker 1: he can win? And Brevin is very very good after

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Speaker 1: the catch, and Brevin is going to more than likely

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Speaker 1: draw a different cover guy that John Mets you will,

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Speaker 1: and so maybe that leads to more advantages for Brevin.

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Speaker 1: So interesting time as a receiver. But again, if you

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Speaker 1: missed the news, John METSI to miss twenty twenty three

475
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Speaker 1: dealing with leukemia. He will undergo treatment asap and we

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Speaker 1: will get him back for twenty twenty three. Obviously, we

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Speaker 1: want to see him healthy and we want him to

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Speaker 1: be a Texan for a very very long time. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I love Mike Sando from the Athletic. Every single year

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Speaker 1: he puts out his quarterback tears. He put it out

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Speaker 1: and I want to hit you with a few things

482
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Speaker 1: that anonymous NFL people have said about quarterbacks in this

483
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Speaker 1: league and get your thoughts next right here in Texans.

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Speaker 1: A axis, right here in Texans, a axis right here

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Speaker 1: in Texans. All axis right, look Matt's texts all access,

486
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Speaker 1: John Harris along with Mark vander Beer. Mark, I always well,

487
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Speaker 1: this is the time of year where we get a

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Speaker 1: lot of lists. We've been talking about Madden, but one

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Speaker 1: of the lists I always wait to see is Mike

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Speaker 1: Sandos from The Athletic. He's been covering. He's been covering

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Speaker 1: about twenty five years. He knows a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in the league, which makes his Quarterback Tears article I

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Speaker 1: think must read because he gets anonymous quotes too. I

494
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Speaker 1: love that. I love the old Sports Illustrated A scouts

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Speaker 1: take yes or behind enemy Lines, and they actually have

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Speaker 1: a quote, an anonymous quote from a scout. I love

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Speaker 1: anonymous quotes. I love this. So this context yes and

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Speaker 1: not about me, Yeah, no, not about you? Okay. So

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Speaker 1: he splits it up into Tears, and his obvious steers

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Speaker 1: are all different, but he describes all of them, and

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00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: he has the people that help him with the rankings.

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Speaker 1: They talk in those terms where they'll say, oh, I

503
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Speaker 1: think this guy's one, but sometimes he plays like a two, right,

504
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: and that's the way he goes about it. Obviously tier one,

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Speaker 1: you know, Pro Bowl level, there's your Aaron Rodgers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's the number one quarterback on the list. So tier one,

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Speaker 1: Tier one quarterback can carry his team each week the

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Speaker 1: team wins because of him. He expertly handles pier passing situations.

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Speaker 1: He has no real holes in his game. So Matt's

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Speaker 1: Tier one. Tier one has six quarterbacks. Ooh, and you

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Speaker 1: just read the description. That's the description. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there are six guys in the league like that. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: well you know the four who the four Brady Mahomes,

514
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Speaker 1: Rogers Allan, those are the four. They're two more. They're

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Speaker 1: two more things, two more. Here's what makes it very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Are we going young? Now? Are we going Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 1: Think class of twenty twenty? Joe Burrows one. Who's the other? Herbert?

518
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Speaker 1: Herbert's the other? Herbert actually comes in ranked ahead of Burrow,

519
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: said an offensive coach about Herbert. Man. I was so

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00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: impressed him live. He's a chance to do something special.

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Speaker 1: He's the best peer thrower of the three young guys,

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Speaker 1: Herbert Alan Burrow. I didn't realize he was that athletic.

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Speaker 1: One of our studs was chasing him down, and he

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00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: got around him and was laughing at him the whole time.

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Speaker 1: The competitive spirit, the athletic ability. I saw a freaking

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Speaker 1: stud in our game. Why did people miss? What did

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Speaker 1: they not see going into that draft. It's interesting because

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Speaker 1: that when you watched him at Oregon, I got really

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Speaker 1: frustrated watching him because there was I watched him. I

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Speaker 1: watched him number of times, but watched him in the

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Speaker 1: Washington game. And the first drive of the Washington game

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Speaker 1: he makes three NFL throws. In the first drive, he

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Speaker 1: makes one throw. I swear to you, Mark, when I

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Speaker 1: was watching that game, I watched it twenty five times

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Speaker 1: because I just loved it. He threw it from the

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Speaker 1: far hash on a rope, on a deep out to

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Speaker 1: the other sideline and put it on the money, I

538
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Speaker 1: mean on the money. Wow. But then he'd come back

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Speaker 1: the next drive and he kind of spray it. He

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00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: was throwing bubble screens, and was like they didn't really

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Speaker 1: kind of maximize all that. When I saw him at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that year, I remember thinking, WHOA, he

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00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: looks different. He looks really good. And I remember thinking

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Speaker 1: at the time I had just seen Josh Allen the

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Speaker 1: year before or two two years before, I had never

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Speaker 1: seen anybody throw at that kind of velocity. I'm watching

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Speaker 1: Herbert and I'm like, he's throwing with the same type velocity.

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Speaker 1: This guy's got that at least, but I couldn't get

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Speaker 1: over kind of the inconsistent nature of that within a game,

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Speaker 1: and you sort of slowed down near the end of

551
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: his career. But he thought, no, you're gonna get the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna go back to that. He never did. He

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Speaker 1: never did. He never went back to that. Joe Burrow

554
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Speaker 1: came in sixth that ended up Tier one, so before

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00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: we talked about and then Herbert Burrow tier two, Tier

556
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: two quarterback and carry his teams sometimes but not as consistently.

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00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: He can handle pure passing situations in doses and or

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00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: possess other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him

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Speaker 1: above Tier three. He has a hole or two in

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Speaker 1: his game. Okay, shoot, Matthew Stafford is in that category. Yeah,

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00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: he's got a hold or two in his game. He

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Speaker 1: leads that. So that's he's number seven one. De Shaun

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Speaker 1: Watson is in there, an evaluator said, a Tier one

564
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: distraction is what Watson is. It blows me away. Paying

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Speaker 1: the all time NFL contract for a Tier two player,

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Speaker 1: said another GM, I can't believe that the Browns did

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Speaker 1: what they did. There's just too many unknowns. I know

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Speaker 1: Andrew Barry, and I just can't picture him doing that.

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Speaker 1: Take the contract out of there, just making this guy

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Speaker 1: that face of your franchise and really not knowing do

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00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: we have him this year? Do we not have him

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Speaker 1: this year? Well, other stuff come up. I just can't

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Speaker 1: imagine doing that. Then there's Lamar Jackson. Listen to what

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Speaker 1: this defensive coordinator said about Lamar Jackson and I quote,

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Speaker 1: if he has to pass to win the game, they

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00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: ain't win in the game. He's so unique as an athlete,

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00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: and he's really he's really a good football player. But

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Speaker 1: I don't care if he wins the league MVP twelve times.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever be a one as a quarterback.

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00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: He'll be a one as a football player, but not

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback. So many games come down to two

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Speaker 1: minute and that is why they have a hard time advancing.

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Speaker 1: Even when they are good on defense. Playoffs are tight.

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00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: You have to be able to throw the ball, and

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00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: he is just so inconsistent throwing the ball. It is

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Speaker 1: hit or miss. I think he's unique, and some of

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00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: that is fair, but I think the Ravens are in

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00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: great shape with him. With healthy, happy Lamar, You're in

589
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: great shape. You play his brand of football and you win.

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00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: This is a franchise and I hate defending the Ravens.

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00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: My gosh, this is really painful. This is a franchise

592
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Speaker 1: that want a super Bowl with Joe Flacco, elite Joe Flacco. Yeah,

593
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: only longtime sports radio listeners will get that reference. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, I do believe they made the

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00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: right choice, and it's the right choice to give him

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00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I think he can win you

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Speaker 1: a lot of games, and he can win you a championship.

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00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be a little bit different than some

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00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: of the other guys. Yeah, I think so. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, going back to Tier one to meet Burrow

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Speaker 1: and Herbert as good as they are, and I know

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00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Burrow has already been to a super Bowl. Herbert has

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00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: yet to go to the playoffs. Could would have, should

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00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: have last year. I still don't like putting them up

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Speaker 1: with the other four considering they haven't done it now.

606
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Mahomes has won a Super Bowl. I know Josh Allen

607
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: has not, but at least he's been to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. I know Burrow and Zimper Bowl,

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Speaker 1: I got it, but I just think the amount of

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Speaker 1: experience does come into play. You got to do it

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Speaker 1: over a little bit longer period of time. But the

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00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: potential is there obviously for those guys to be total

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Speaker 1: Tier ones. I want to go to tier three. Do it.

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00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Tier three quarterback is a legitimate starter, but needs a

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00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: heavier run game and or defensive component to win. A

616
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: lower volume drop back passing offense suits him best. So

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Speaker 1: they have Derek Carr in tier three. They have Derek

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Speaker 1: car Oh, don't tell me, no, no no, no, they have

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Speaker 1: Derek Tier two. Okay, he's Tier two. Yea, did you

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Speaker 1: read me all the Tier two I didn't. All right,

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Speaker 1: So you got to Lamar Jackson then you stopped? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did. Sorry because after Lamar, all right, dak Car twelve,

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Speaker 1: Kyler at thirteen, Matt Ryan at fourteen, and that's worth

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00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: tier two stops. I don't know if Kyler is quite

625
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: there yet. I don't know. I would put Kyler in three.

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00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: And that's not an insult. You just got him with

627
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: you be more consistent. I know they won a lot

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00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: of games last year. You know what the worst narrative

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Speaker 1: is on the Cardinals. They don't have any weapons. Oh really,

630
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: every time I watch highlights. It's like they're making plays

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00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: left and right with different players, and I know this

632
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: year is gonna be a little, maybe a lot different

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Speaker 1: Hopkins out six games, no, Kirk, I get that. But

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Speaker 1: last year, I don't know. And somebody said, well, they

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Speaker 1: have another Hall of Famer in AJ Green. Is a

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Speaker 1: J Green a Hall of Famer. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: He's border in the Hall of very good. But he's

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Speaker 1: also got zach Ertz, who you could argue as a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famers was awesome, And no matter where you

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Speaker 1: put Green, he's awesome, and he was right. He might

641
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Speaker 1: be able to help you have Rondelle Moore. Yeah, I

642
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Speaker 1: mean you're not adding Earth's. I mean they were flying

643
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Speaker 1: high when we saw them and they had just added earths.

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Speaker 1: So Tier three starts with Kirk Cousins, okay, Jimmy Garoppolo's sixteen,

645
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Speaker 1: Tannehill seventeen, Matt Jones eighteen. All right, so let's watch

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Speaker 1: this now, Cousins, go ahead. Garoppolo been to a Super

647
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Speaker 1: Bowl and another NFC Championship game in their right, strong

648
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Speaker 1: stuff around him. Go ahead. Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill number

649
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Speaker 1: one seed in the ASC, but only one playoff win. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: coach no two too, because they beat the Patriots and

651
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Speaker 1: the Ravens. Right. Coach said about him, he's probably a three,

652
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Speaker 1: maybe a three plus. My heart broke for him that

653
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Speaker 1: he played so poorly in that playoff game quote unquote

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Speaker 1: like him, he's heartbroke. This is a GM talking, yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, h yeah, no as a coach, sorry, it's

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Speaker 1: a coach, all right. Match Owns eighteen, Baker Mayfield nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Are we given a little too much to Matt Jones? Yeah?

658
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Speaker 1: I know he did well as a rookie, but he

659
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Speaker 1: had a good team around him. Here's a hot take?

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Speaker 1: Is it a hot take? Put Davis Mills? Oh boy,

661
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: he needed a little bit more experience. Well, I'm getting there,

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Speaker 1: all right. Put Mills in the Patriots organization last year

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Speaker 1: with everything they have in their defense in place. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's as good right away because Mills has

665
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Speaker 1: got to get seasoned, right. He was better toward the

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Speaker 1: end of the season. I don't think it's that far off, though.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. So later on in Tier three, Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: comes up says what Yeah, one voter said, hard to

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Speaker 1: judge with the surrounding talent the situation down there the apologists.

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Speaker 1: But we didn't walk away from that game like we

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Speaker 1: did the year before with Joe Burrow going Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this guy is the bleeping guy. All right, Hang on

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Speaker 1: a second. Who is this? This is some coach? Hang

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Speaker 1: all right? Or one voter, it says, okay, one voter,

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Speaker 1: which is either a coach or a GM right in

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Speaker 1: shadows article, Johnny, Hang out a second. I saw Burrow

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Speaker 1: too before he got hurt in twenty twenty, and it

678
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: was a very different situation than Trevor Lawrence last year.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what this judge, that's what he's saying. That's

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Speaker 1: what he's saying, is that it's no what he's saying, Well,

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Speaker 1: we had the same feeling. Yeah, no, did you have

682
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Speaker 1: that feeling? No? No, no, I had a tremendous feeling.

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Speaker 1: Oh when Burrow comes back, watch out its lights out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't get that feeling from Lawrence. Now it

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Speaker 1: could still be there. Yeah, but I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you make that comparison. Of course, I work in broadcasting

687
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: and this guy works in pro football coaching or scouting.

688
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: So what do I do? A head coach said, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a natural thrower of the football.

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Speaker 1: It's not effortless for him. Trevor Lawrence said an offensive

691
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: assistant about Trevor Lawrence, He's a little stiff wristed, didn't

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Speaker 1: have as lusive an arm slot as I expected to see.

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Speaker 1: Natural thrower of the football. Sounds like Greg CoA sell

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Speaker 1: language to me. Yeah, I know. Then another head coach said, oh.

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Speaker 1: Then the same head coach said, but he is a

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Speaker 1: fantastic athlete. He's a playmaker. I do think Trevor is

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00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: going to excel playing for Doug Peterson. Boy, they think

698
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: so little of Jacksonville's talent from last year, so little,

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Speaker 1: but I get it. Urban Meyer didn't work. So then

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Speaker 1: after Lawrence, Jameis Winston at twenty four, then we get

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Speaker 1: to Tier four. Okay, a Tier four quarterback could be

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Speaker 1: an unproven player not enough information for voters to classify,

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Speaker 1: or a veteran who ideally would not ideally would not

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Speaker 1: start all seventeen games. This section starts with justin fields,

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Speaker 1: then it moves to two a tongue of viola. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, where's twa on this list? And then

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Speaker 1: at twenty seven, Davis Mills is our guy. Davis Mills.

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Speaker 1: This is what a defensive coordinator faced. Mills said, and

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Speaker 1: that quote. I love this kid. I think he is

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Speaker 1: so poised. He stands in the pocket, he is able

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Speaker 1: to deliver the ball. I think he knows where to

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Speaker 1: go with the ball. He throws a pretty ball, he

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Speaker 1: throws a catchable ball. He sees the field. He's a three. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's at three. How does that taste? All? Right? Well,

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Speaker 1: here's now this one becomes interesting because there's yet there's

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Speaker 1: a player comp that I think is interesting here with Mills. Okay,

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Speaker 1: personnel director said, really like his composure. He makes plays

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Speaker 1: in the passing game. Doesn't have the best arm, but

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Speaker 1: as an adequate passer, he reins needles. Right here, he

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Speaker 1: reminds me of a better Andy Dalton. Okay, down on

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Speaker 1: your face was awesome because all the thoughts are coming through, like,

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Speaker 1: wait a second. Andy Dalton got the Bengals at eleven.

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Speaker 1: They go to the playoffs for straight years, five straight

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Speaker 1: years of the playoffs, the Pro Bowl a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: He had a lot of talent, man, but I give

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Speaker 1: him credit for that. And the Bengals were horrible before

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Speaker 1: he got there, and he brought them to where he

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Speaker 1: brought them, which is nowhere in the postseason, but at

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Speaker 1: least he got them there five times. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: so this anonymous profile, oh, defensive coordinator, said meersonnel director,

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Speaker 1: personnel director, Yep, the cop is Mills, he said, is

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Speaker 1: a better Andy Dalton? Better Andy Dalton? Okay, I'll take

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Speaker 1: a better Andy Dalton. Will you take a better Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton from Mills right now? A former hot team asks you,

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to bring you down a little

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Speaker 1: bit now, Wayne Brady, Oh, you gonna bring me down.

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Speaker 1: A former head coach said, how about all the hype

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Speaker 1: on Davis Mills. I just don't see it. First of all,

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Speaker 1: what planet is this guy living on the hype of

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Speaker 1: Davis Mills? Um? Yeah, I don't think so. I'm not

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Speaker 1: noticing some hype here. A different, different personnel director called

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Speaker 1: Mills quote unquote pretty interesting for his anticipation and accuracy,

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Speaker 1: suggesting Mills is quote unquote going to surprise a lot

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Speaker 1: of people this season. A former GM said, and maybe

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Speaker 1: you should stress the word former here. He's done some

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Speaker 1: good things, but doing good things when your team is

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Speaker 1: no good that is a whole different thing. He is

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Speaker 1: still a four to me, I have yet to see

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Speaker 1: legitimate starter in him. Look, four is fair because your

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Speaker 1: descripted a four Sandos was yeah, quarterback who you need

751
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: to see more? Right, it's incomplete. We saw five good

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Speaker 1: starts at the end of the year. You know, mostly

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00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: good things or a lot of good things. However you

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Speaker 1: wanted to find that you need to see more. And

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Speaker 1: we're about two folks. September eleventh, nrg Stadium against our cults.

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Speaker 1: It is coming, it's coming very fast. But coming up next,

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Speaker 1: we'll go around the league training campus started in various places.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and then some next right here

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Speaker 1: in Texas axis. Next right here in Texas axis, next

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Speaker 1: right hearing we got to find a segment of this

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Speaker 1: initiation of Texans All Access. I'm your host, Sean Harris.

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Speaker 1: As we go around the NFL, we are going to

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Speaker 1: focus on Arizona, where the Cardinals got a brand new

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Speaker 1: black helmet with cardinal glitter flakes. That's not really why

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Speaker 1: we are here. This really steps from a tweet the

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Speaker 1: Ian Rapport put out about two hours ago. Actually probably

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Speaker 1: further agoes, but lunchtime it's probably about five to six

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Speaker 1: hours ago. Anyways, he tweeted this contracts are about give it.

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Speaker 1: Take one example from Kaiva Murray's two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: point five million dollar contract, there's an a dendum that

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Speaker 1: requires four hours of independent study per game week. It

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Speaker 1: was important to the team making a commitment at that level.

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Speaker 1: Thus it was important to Murray. Now I'm not totally

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Speaker 1: sure about it being important to Murray. Must see a

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Speaker 1: lot of conjecture about this. I would be a little

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Speaker 1: worried if this were my quarterback. Oh my gosh, you

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Speaker 1: have to put this in for your two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty one million dollar quarterback to actually study outside the building.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what of that is true, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a terrible thing to put in a contract. Look,

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Speaker 1: we expect you, as the quarterback of this team to

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Speaker 1: put in the time outside the building. Now, there are

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Speaker 1: some guys that don't spend a lot of time outside

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Speaker 1: the building doing anything that pertains to football, because they

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Speaker 1: do it all inside the building. They get inside the building, man,

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Speaker 1: they're chopping up film, they're staying until seven, eight o'clock

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Speaker 1: at night, whatever the case might be. There are some

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks paid Manning being one of them, Drew Brees and

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Speaker 1: those guys lived and died for film, Philip Rivers, same thing,

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Speaker 1: those guys dying to watch film, dying to put in

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Speaker 1: those four hours Tom Brady. Of course, whether Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: is that guy or not, you could surmise the way

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Speaker 1: things have gone at the end of seasons that yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe Kyler wasn't putting all the work that maybe he

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Speaker 1: should have. Maybe he was making the plays out on

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Speaker 1: the field just because he's always made those particular plays.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's never really learned how to put that time in.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's never really had a veteran. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's the case, because I think Cole McCoy is a

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Speaker 1: great veteran to have around and colts around him for

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Speaker 1: at least a year. So I don't know exactly where

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Speaker 1: this comes from, but it is very interesting that it

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Speaker 1: became public. I'm not sure if the Murray side, Eric

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Speaker 1: Burkhard's agent saw that as a positive of Kyler, that

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Speaker 1: he would be doing that, not realizing that people would

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Speaker 1: think he hasn't been doing it, and boy, that would

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Speaker 1: set off alarm bells. I don't know, but the fact

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Speaker 1: that it got out to the public is rather interesting,

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Speaker 1: and so maybe the conjecture is right. Maybe the fact

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Speaker 1: that Kyler hasn't been doing that and the Cardinals felt

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Speaker 1: they had to put that in a contract should set

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Speaker 1: off alarm bells for days. Or maybe it's just look,

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Speaker 1: we put this in here. We put this in a

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Speaker 1: lot of contracts. It's just a lot of those contracts

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Speaker 1: never get out to the public. Who's to say, but

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Speaker 1: good luck to Kyler and the Cardinals with that brand

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Speaker 1: new black helmet with red glitter flakes, which is actually

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Speaker 1: kind of cool. Honestly, all right, it's gonna do it,

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Speaker 1: but thanks to Austin Backing Studio. It's Mark for joining me,

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Speaker 1: to all of you for listening. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: And it is always Go Texans.