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Speaker 1: twenty two. Let me introduce the guys first. Noah, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Jumping in here kind of at the

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Speaker 1: of itchy to get that confirmed. Daniel, sir, how's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's going great. It's even going way better now after

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Speaker 3: I saw that trade. I couldn't be happier baseballs approaching

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were, we were going to record this kind

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Speaker 1: of regardless of the breaking news that broke within half

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Speaker 1: Right, So quick backstory. Alex Jackson traded one for one

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Speaker 1: Most of the major projection systems are in line about

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Speaker 1: this team. They think it is a five hundred ish team.

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Speaker 1: Fangrafts has them at eighty two and eighty atc Projections

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Speaker 1: have them at eighty one and eighty one. Baseball Prospectus

439
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Speaker 1: I think it's just a tad below five hundred right

440
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Speaker 1: now using their per Coda projections like eighty and eighty two.

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Speaker 1: This will be the first time in however many years.

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Speaker 1: Let me just double check to make sure I have.

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Speaker 2: This, since two thousand and nine, Since.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine that they've won eighty games. It's

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Speaker 1: twenty ten they won eighty, So if they actually finished

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Speaker 1: at five hundred, it would indeed be the first time

447
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Speaker 1: since nine in this new universe finishing at five hundred.

448
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Speaker 1: Depending on how other things go, that might actually get

449
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Speaker 1: you into the playoffs. People need to like adjust to that,

450
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Speaker 1: because it is it's a very foreign concept that a

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Speaker 1: five hundred team, over a full length season without any

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty gimmicks, could actually get into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: And it is a possibility if things do fall right

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Speaker 1: about them, and I think people should actually, even as

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Speaker 1: much as there was some stuff left to be desired

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Speaker 1: about their offseason, the fact that they actually resulted with

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Speaker 1: this team that is like, not perfect but just relatively

458
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Speaker 1: well backs, that's a huge step in the right direction,

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Speaker 1: isn't it Dainty.

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Speaker 3: I think looking at this team, I think maybe just

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Speaker 3: different scenarios, But I don't think if you look at

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Speaker 3: the worst ones, they're gonna be one hundred lost team.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is one hundred lost team at worst,

464
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Speaker 3: or even maybe a ninety lost team also at worse.

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Speaker 3: I could see them maybe at worst big seventy five

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Speaker 3: wins around that way. But if we're just talking, our

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Speaker 3: expectation is not worse, not best case scenario. I do

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Speaker 3: season as a five hundred team, especially maybe eighty one

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Speaker 3: eighty one. I really do like that prediction of eighty

470
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Speaker 3: two and eighty I do think the Morlands break the

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Speaker 3: streak and go for eighty games this year and finish

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Speaker 3: five hundred. I don't think they're gonna be over ten games,

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Speaker 3: five games, ten hundred. I could see them eighty three

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Speaker 3: and seventy nine, eighty two and eighty in that range,

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Speaker 3: and then best case worst case scenarios. Worst case I

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Speaker 3: guess season with seventy five wins as maybe worst case

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Speaker 3: scenario they're not getting sixty wins a low seventies, and

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Speaker 3: then best case I could see them with eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: I get. I don't see them ninety one. They're not

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Speaker 3: a ninety one team by Eddie means, but I could

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Speaker 3: see them anywhere from maybe eighty seven to eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: especially and getting maybe one of those laught to wildcards.

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Speaker 3: They could win the division, but that's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: miracle in maybe something could happen. Sandy, you know, has

485
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Speaker 3: a cy Young type season. Divisions probably out of their reach,

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Speaker 3: but I can see him maybe get second or even third,

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Speaker 3: and third might be good enough to get a wildcard

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Speaker 3: spot this year.

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Speaker 1: Just to give some names of the guys who've been

490
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Speaker 1: acquired since well, let's played baseball, Lewis Head as people

491
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Speaker 1: remember the first major transaction of the off seasons trading

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Speaker 1: for Lewis Head signing avessel Garcia, trading for Jacob Stallings,

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Speaker 1: trading for Joey Wendell, signing Jorge Solaire, and most recently

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Speaker 1: trading for Cole Solcer and Tanner Scott. That's not a

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Speaker 1: complete list, but those are the prominent guys. I think

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Speaker 1: that we're picking from here. Noah, when if you had

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Speaker 1: to pick one of those players who you think is

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Speaker 1: gonna have the biggest impact on this twenty twenty two season,

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Speaker 1: who would you lean towards.

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Speaker 2: It's a toss up for me between three guys. I

501
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Speaker 2: think Jacob Stallings back being a big, consistent, consistently good

502
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Speaker 2: backstop is something this team really needed. We need someone

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Speaker 2: that can actually play at the catcher position, and I

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Speaker 2: think if that's really gonna help the pitching staff. Joey

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Speaker 2: Wendell is good. Just at period end of story, he's good.

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Speaker 2: He can play a multiple positions, and he can hit

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Speaker 2: and Horios Hilaire, he's just gonna destroy the ball. I

508
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Speaker 2: don't know if he could play in the field very well,

509
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Speaker 2: but he can destroy the ball. I think overall, Joey

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Speaker 2: Wendall is gonna have the bigger impact on both sides

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Speaker 2: because he's a great fielder and a great hitter. The

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Speaker 2: other two only are their impact is mostly one sided.

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Speaker 2: Although Jacob Stong is a pretty decent hitters, he's a

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Speaker 2: defense first catcher.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you fall on that? Daniel, Maybe you

516
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Speaker 1: could be more declarative than Noah was and actually pick

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Speaker 1: one guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna pick three guys. My playing simple.

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Speaker 3: I think the songs catch position has been a moot

520
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Speaker 3: point for the Marlins for years without a fil trade

521
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Speaker 3: and even before that since JT. I think when you

522
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Speaker 3: have a really great catcher, it really helps the other positions.

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Speaker 3: As the pitcher, I think Sandy's gonna improve from this.

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Speaker 3: I think Pablo and the Eyes A Trevor, I think

525
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Speaker 3: all these guys, even some of the bullpen guys, are

526
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Speaker 3: gonna really improve because Jacob really great defensively. I were

527
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Speaker 3: doing a little predictions. I think he's gonna win go

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Speaker 3: to Gleff with Miami this year. I think he's gonna

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Speaker 3: do that well for the Marlins defensively and helping the

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Speaker 3: position the pitchers hitting wise. He's not a guy who's

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Speaker 3: gonna give you three hundred thirty home runs. He's not

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Speaker 3: a hitting type catcher, but I could see him hitting

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Speaker 3: maybe anywhere at most maybe two forty two thirty home

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Speaker 3: runs double digits, but not exceeding twenty. I could see

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Speaker 3: Jacob Stallings. I think that's the biggest piece that we

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Speaker 3: got from this offseason. He's gonna help us tremendously. I

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Speaker 3: think it's really great that we finally have a catcher

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Speaker 3: that we can stick there and leave him there to

539
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Speaker 3: play almost every game one hundred and fifty five, one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty games or or what, and not have

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Speaker 3: a catcher in left field playing a different position for

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Speaker 3: who knows what. Have our catcher for there for the future.

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Speaker 3: I love the Jacob Stallings offseason move.

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Speaker 2: I will also say it's not just having a starting catcher.

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Speaker 2: We've improved even the backup catcher position. Henry is going

546
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Speaker 2: to be pret I trust him behind the plate more

547
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Speaker 2: than any other catcher we've had in the last two seasons,

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Speaker 2: so agreed. I think the catcher position is a solid

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Speaker 2: position now for the Marlins. It's going to make a

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Speaker 2: humongous difference for the pitching staff and on the defensive

551
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Speaker 2: side and both of them can get our decent hitters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you said right, there is not even

553
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Speaker 1: an overstatement about the catcher position being as solid. Fan

554
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Speaker 1: Grafts did this entire positional power ranking series, went through

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Speaker 1: all positions, including starting pitcher in the bullpen, and in

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Speaker 1: their eyes, they think that the Marlins have the biggest

557
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Speaker 1: advantage at catcher. That is the one top ten position

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Speaker 1: group that they have baffling. To me, almost all because

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Speaker 1: of Stallings. I would just h he's not my pick,

560
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Speaker 1: though he's a good pick. My pick would actually be

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Speaker 1: Joey Wendel, And most of it just comes down to

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Speaker 1: comparing him to Isan Diaz. That's the role that he is,

563
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Speaker 1: that's the that he is replacing. This was one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest weaknesses of the Marlins last year in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Catcher was probably at the top of the list right

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Speaker 1: near there was just their infield depth. You know, as

567
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Speaker 1: soon as first was Ba that got heard, and then

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Speaker 1: it was Jazz, and then short after that it was

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Speaker 1: Mickey Row And there may have been a time where

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Speaker 1: like all three of them were even Birdie got hurt.

571
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Speaker 1: Birdie is still here. And I think I said this

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Speaker 1: at the time of the trade of Wendell. That Wendell

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Speaker 1: is replacing Isan, he's that guy that he's on the roster. People,

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Speaker 1: it's painful when you look back on how much of

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Speaker 1: the season Isan was with the big league team last year.

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Speaker 1: Most of the year, most of the year he was

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Speaker 1: on the team playing second base or playing third base.

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Speaker 1: How many games did he play last year? You're going

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Speaker 1: to be stunned by this. He played in eighty nine

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Speaker 1: games last year with the Marlins. That's well, and he

581
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Speaker 1: was as people know, we don't have to make this

582
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Speaker 1: an east On segment, so he was bad. But that

583
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Speaker 1: was a huge weakness of the team because they were

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Speaker 1: getting below replacement level production from that. And now they

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Speaker 1: have a guy that has the same versatility as He

586
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Speaker 1: actually has more versatility because he's a competent shortstop as well.

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Speaker 1: We'll see exactly how they use him from the start

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Speaker 1: of the season. It seems like he, based on what

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Speaker 1: Mattingly says, he's the primary third baseman, not Ba. It's

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Speaker 1: Wendell is the main third baseman for most of their games.

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Speaker 1: I've said that I think his best role would be

592
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Speaker 1: kind of platooning with Miggy Row at shortstop and be

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Speaker 1: the main shortstop and we'll see whether they actually get

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Speaker 1: to that decision as the season goes on. But he

595
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Speaker 1: can play those infield positions. He's an above average hitter

596
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Speaker 1: coming off great spring training. Not going to mention spring

597
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Speaker 1: training stats, but he did look great.

598
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Speaker 3: In spring training coming off an all Star year.

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Speaker 1: Coming off an all Star year. Let's if he could

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Speaker 1: sustain what he did early last season for an entire season,

601
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Speaker 1: like that's when he was at another level. If you

602
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Speaker 1: look at his whole numbers, like he was on fire

603
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Speaker 1: for the first couple of months of last season. If

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Speaker 1: there's any way for him to sustain that, then he's

605
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Speaker 1: gonna be a better player than he's ever been before.

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Speaker 1: So just to go on that, because they have like

607
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Speaker 1: durability concerns at those other infield positions and instead of

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Speaker 1: falling back on really bargain beIN type of players in

609
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Speaker 1: their infield. It wasn't just the Sun, you know, some

610
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Speaker 1: of the other guys that were next up behind him

611
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Speaker 1: weren't really much better. And Jose, yeah, Jose Devers is

612
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Speaker 1: somebody that I still believe in. But he's coming off

613
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Speaker 1: an injury himself and he's still really young and he's

614
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Speaker 1: still on the forty man roster. We'll see him as

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Speaker 1: the year goes on. For the start of the season,

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Speaker 1: it would not have been correct to rely on him,

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Speaker 1: so they made this move that I love it. I

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Speaker 1: do love what Joey Wendel brings and how he fits

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Speaker 1: onto this team. From there, I guess we'll just talk

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Speaker 1: more generally. And Daniel kind of tipped hand about what

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Speaker 1: he sees his scenarios for this team. But the big

622
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Speaker 1: thing is how you see the floor being a lot

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Speaker 1: higher that you think they're They're like in the mid seventies,

624
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Speaker 1: even the things go wrong. And we did the same

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Speaker 1: podcast you and me last year talking about how they

626
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Speaker 1: could lose one hundred games if things went wrong. They

627
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: almost did lose one hundred games because a lot went

628
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Speaker 1: wrong for them last year with Noah. I know you

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Speaker 1: sometimes have difficulty being objective.

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Speaker 2: Being reasonable, being reasonable? Is that what you're trying to say?

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Speaker 1: It's totally true, but doing your best. What do you

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Speaker 1: think a realistic best case scenario looks like for this team,

633
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Speaker 1: not just in terms of wins, but like parts of

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Speaker 1: the team that could what they could achieve.

635
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Speaker 2: I think barring any barring anything, extraordinary. I think that

636
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Speaker 2: the ceiling for this team, again barring anything extraordinary, because extraordinary,

637
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Speaker 2: I have him at ninety six. But barring anything extraordinary,

638
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: they're gonna be around eighty five. Eighty six, I think

639
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: is a realistic ceiling for this team. Best case scenario,

640
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Speaker 2: if everything goes goes, goes above average, right below average,

641
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Speaker 2: right below average, wrong, I'd say they can go as

642
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Speaker 2: low as about seventy five. Anything lower than that is

643
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Speaker 2: a complete collapse and is a something a lot of

644
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: players had to get injured and something had to go wrong,

645
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Speaker 2: and that would be really a disappointing, really really disappointing season.

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Speaker 1: The point that I seem to disagree with you guys

647
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Speaker 1: is like how bad it could get this year?

648
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Speaker 2: It could get We could not win a single game.

649
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Speaker 1: That's not what I meant. Just looking this division is

650
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: still really real deep, you know, the Nationals being the

651
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Speaker 1: one team that I think most people objectively believe is

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Speaker 1: worse than the Marlins, but those other three all doing

653
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of work to either sustain the teams

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Speaker 1: they had last year or make themselves better. I think

655
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Speaker 1: it's like, even as unlucky as the Mets are, always

656
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Speaker 1: seeming to be their teams.

657
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: And a million dollars and they're still not going to

658
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Speaker 2: get their top two starting pitchers healthy.

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Speaker 1: I think, all things considered, once the other injuries catch

660
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Speaker 1: up to the rest of the teams, including the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: that it won't look quite as tragic as it does now.

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Speaker 1: They're one team that I think is clearly improved in

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Speaker 1: the division. The Philly has made some curious moves that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that all fits together. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the whole is actually as good as the

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Speaker 1: individual parts, but we'll see what the investment that they made.

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Speaker 1: And the Braves kind of more so just treaded water,

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Speaker 1: but also did some things that I kind of liked

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Speaker 1: as well to I think their pitching staff is going

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Speaker 1: to be pretty awesome, even though their offense is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, also which some people might say is an upgrade

672
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Speaker 3: from Freddy in terms of long term just long term

673
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Speaker 3: a type of age.

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Speaker 2: Now Kenlly wait, Kenlly went to the Braves. Yes, I

675
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Speaker 2: thought he went to the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: He's got Corey Kaniebel to be there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What I was saying is that there is a scenario

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Speaker 1: scenario to me where their record looks pretty similar to

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Speaker 1: last year. I think it won't be as bad. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, like the low seventies in this division entering

683
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Speaker 1: a season where they're spending about eighty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: in payroll, they spent a lot more invested a lot

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Speaker 1: more in this team than they did the previous what

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Speaker 1: three years. But if they get deep into the year

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Speaker 1: and they are like really deep in fourth or even

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Speaker 1: in fifth, which is a possibility, if they're like double

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Speaker 1: digit games under five hundred, because their hitters don't get

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Speaker 1: on base enough, because their bullpen is just as bad

691
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Speaker 1: as last year or just as unlucky as last year,

692
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: or both, I think those are still concerns that despite

693
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Speaker 1: some of the moves they did make to the bullpen

694
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: and the lineup, that those still are not perfect units.

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Speaker 1: Those are still with the As I said, with the offense,

696
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: it's about getting on base and also some base running

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Speaker 1: once they get on there. It's not a particularly athletic team.

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Speaker 1: And in the bullpen, it's guys that just don't miss

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Speaker 1: a ton of bats, and those who do miss bats,

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Speaker 1: like Tanner Scott, they just got it's a question of

701
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: whether he can even throw strikes in the first place,

702
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Speaker 1: that those are still limitations on the team and they're

703
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Speaker 1: playing a lot of games against strong competition in the division. Like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like there is a scenario where they get

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Speaker 1: deep into the year and they are sellers again where

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Speaker 1: they find or they're kind of like straddling the line

707
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: they can clear upgrades. They're spent a lot of money

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Speaker 1: on this team and they don't they get deep into

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00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: the year and don't see it as a team that

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Speaker 1: can really go anywhere in the playoffs or really even

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, then they're not going to like get

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Speaker 1: desperate and continue adding more payroll. I don't think down

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Speaker 1: the stretch. That's always a big question mark here, Like

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Speaker 1: that's the reason why they were as bad as they

715
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Speaker 1: were last year is because they waved the white flag

716
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Speaker 1: like they were much better talent wise publicly wave it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, their messaging and their actions are always very different,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that is I would suggest that Kim

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Speaker 1: Ang considers that strategy of trying to be not rather

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Speaker 1: than expecting people to like just listen to what you say,

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Speaker 1: actually make them align all the way down for better

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Speaker 1: or for worse. The trade deadline is going to be

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Speaker 1: a big differentiator in the worst case scenario, like whether

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Speaker 1: they get really creative and that aspect, or whether they

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Speaker 1: reach a point where they kind of punts on the years.

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Speaker 1: So that's what could bring them down a little bit further.

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Speaker 1: But I think my realistic best case scenario is pretty

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Speaker 1: close to you guys, if not a little bit higher.

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Speaker 1: Like I just see a lot of similarities to the

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Speaker 1: Brewers of last year. They won ninety five games, they

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Speaker 1: won the NL central of the quality of competition in

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Speaker 1: the East is a lot harder. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any scenario where Marlins get to that number of wins,

734
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Speaker 1: But is there one where they actually win the division

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Speaker 1: with like ninety ish? You know, if the Mets really

736
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Speaker 1: do to struggle with these injuries, if the Phillies did

737
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Speaker 1: not put these pieces together, that really make sense. If

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Speaker 1: the brew if the Braves don't get back the Ronald

739
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Speaker 1: Lacooney junior that they think they're getting back, and with

740
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Speaker 1: some other questions about them, if Matt Olsen underperforms in

741
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: the first year of a big contract, there are some

742
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Speaker 1: limitations to them.

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Speaker 3: Who the Braves have for a start for a rotation.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have a good top end of the rotation.

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Speaker 1: They have Charlie Morden, he's.

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Speaker 2: Back that one game every five day. That's two games

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Speaker 2: every five days that you have a chance to win.

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Speaker 1: Going down the line, Ian Anderson, who has performed really

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Speaker 1: well even though people can't seem to figure him out.

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Speaker 1: And Huascar Ioa was Yeah, he's he's kind of he's

751
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Speaker 1: volatile for sure, Like that could go in a couple

752
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Speaker 1: different directions.

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Speaker 2: I think he's he's their equivalent of Hayesus Lezardo for

754
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Speaker 2: us to go many different directions.

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Speaker 1: They're also relying on Marcelo Zuna to like all this

756
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: time comeback. He has served his suspension already last year.

757
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Speaker 2: Well, really, my extraordinary, my extraordinary ceiling for this team

758
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: is of course Brian Dela cruzhitting thirty home runs. I

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Speaker 2: waited forty two minutes to get that in.

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Speaker 3: Here we go the DC talk as.

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Speaker 2: Long as if your fourth outfielders playing well, you got

762
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Speaker 2: a good team.

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Speaker 1: Right, just to elaborate on the best case scenario, it's

764
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Speaker 1: Sandy taking another step forward, and he does get better

765
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Speaker 1: every single year. It astonishes me the way they does it.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what that is. We

767
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: know Hasius Lozardo, not just in the Marlins community, but

768
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: across the baseball analysis tier. Like people love Lozardo's potential

769
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: to all of a.

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Speaker 2: Sudden head, He's definitely turning heads right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm still a little skiftable not lewis Head, but

772
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Speaker 1: maybe lewis Head just replicates what he did last year,

773
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Speaker 1: even if he's in the big leagues the whole time. Again,

774
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Speaker 1: bullpens are the trickiest thing to predict, and I don't

775
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Speaker 1: think we could rule out like this suddenly being a

776
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Speaker 1: good bullpen all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: It's Anthony Baskett finally learned how to throw his splitter

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Speaker 2: correctly enough.

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Speaker 1: Yep, jorgez Hilaire can continue doing what he did the

780
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: last few months of last year. He's a really tricky

781
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: guy to project because of how poor he was the

782
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Speaker 1: first half of twenty twenty one versus what he was

783
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Speaker 1: further down the stretch.

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Speaker 3: Completely different player when he got traded to the Braves.

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Speaker 3: I think he had under two hundred average with the

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Speaker 3: Royals and then he had like two seventy with the Braves.

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Speaker 3: We get that seventy guy. I think Marlins are in

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Speaker 3: a good form this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, the last guy got a highlight

790
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: is Jazz Chisholm Junior. Everybody's uhia about that about exactly

791
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Speaker 1: where he is on that on that spectrum of facing

792
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: the franchise this but he has a lot of the

793
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: qualities you want, and he was on that trajectory early

794
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Speaker 1: last year before his first injury. He's just fascinating potential. Like,

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Speaker 1: one of the big things that held him back last

796
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: year is he was just strangely bad at defense, especially

797
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: when they put him a shortstop. But everything about his

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Speaker 1: history suggests that should not be the case, I feel like.

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Speaker 2: And also the strikeouts and yeah, you know there was

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Speaker 2: the looking strikeouts where he was frustrated with the umpire

801
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: and gave up on and gave up on it at

802
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: that That that's one thing that that worries me going

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Speaker 2: into the season with Jazz. Hopefully he doesn't let his

804
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: emotions get ahead of him. Yeah, but it would be

805
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Speaker 2: interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's one of the guys on this team, perhaps

807
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: more so than any of the other hitters, that you

808
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: feel really does have potential to be one of the

809
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Speaker 1: better players at his position, to be an elite player

810
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: somewhere between that All Star and MVP tier, like really

811
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Speaker 1: just an elite position player that they have not had.

812
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Speaker 1: That's one reason why I feel like the Marlins have

813
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: been difficult to market themselves during this entire rebuild. It's

814
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: because they have boring hitters, boring in bad hitters that

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00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to develop themselves. So they haven't

816
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: really been able to identify in trades until they finally

817
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: have somebody in Jazz who has that potential. And Cruz

818
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: and DLC of course, of course. So yeah, we're all

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Speaker 1: we're all happy that he seems to be on the roster.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this before.

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Speaker 2: He was on the plane. He was, he got on

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Speaker 2: the plane with the team.

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Speaker 1: We'll get more into our specific like predictions on the

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Speaker 1: Friday stream again, Daniel Lee hosting. I'll be producing. Noah

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Speaker 1: is Noah, He'll be there, Noah.

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Speaker 2: I should be there, I should be there. It's before this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course everybody listening to here will be there

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Speaker 1: as well on YouTube, Twitter or Facebook. Looking forward to

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Speaker 1: that as well, which I took it off of Twitch.

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Speaker 1: We weren't getting much traction there and we already have

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Speaker 1: a big audience on Facebook. But again I'll go back

832
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Speaker 1: to I said at the beginning of the show. I

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Speaker 1: put together an article about how you can help fistrips

834
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: this year, and the main way that you can do

835
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: so is by providing feedback about what we are doing,

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00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: what we should be doing. And if you feel that

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00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Twitch is a platform that we should really be focusing

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Speaker 1: on building, just let us know and I will flip

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Speaker 1: the switch on that so we make furse streams available

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Speaker 1: there as well. Anyway, So I think this team win

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00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: the division, I think they coul finish last in the division,

842
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: and I think yeah in between, finishing five hundred is

843
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Speaker 1: what feels right. As we like lead up to actual

844
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Speaker 1: opening day itself, will put our predictions out and it's

845
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: really just hard to like deviate more than a few

846
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: games from the five hundred mark because that does seem

847
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: to be the kind of team that they put together,

848
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: and that would be a pretty significant improvement from where

849
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: they were last year. As you guys listen to this,

850
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: just let us know your best case and worst case scenario.

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00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: If everything goes right, if everything goes wrong, We're excited

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00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: to hear that. To go through it. To have a

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00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: team that, thanks to the expanded playoffs, should almost certainly

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00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: be relevant all season long. We'll be here all season long,

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00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: and I'll be here on this podcast with the official

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Speaker 1: show a couple of times a week all season long.

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Speaker 1: Elis husband Noah Berger Daniel Rodriguez on the official show

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Speaker 1: Fish Trips podcast. We appreciate the support. As always, go

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