1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known fascinating 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: facts behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: We're two guys with too much free time on our hands. 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Hegel. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: And today we're gonna take a look at Jerry McGuire, 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: which recently turned twenty five years old. It was written 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: and directed, of course, by Cameron Crowe. Now, I gotta admit, 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: just right at the start, as a music journalist who 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: majored in film, I'd be lying if I said I 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: didn't spend a huge percentage of my life wanting to 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: be Cameron Crowe. I love him so much, and I 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: have to I hadn't seen Jerry McGuire start to finish 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: in a very long time, and it's interesting to see 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: now how it's aged. For two reasons. One, it's a 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: movie about idealism in a very cynical industry, and uh, 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: now the cynicism quotation in the world has increased exponentially. 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: It makes this movie all the more poignant. Also, I 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: feel like this is a movie that couldn't exist today. 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: It's like a mid sized movie. It's like a decent 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: sized budget but a very small, human sized story. And 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: I feel like these days is either huge c g 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: I extravaganza or like a micro indie film. Yeah. I mean, 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: we were just talking about this before we started recording. 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: But it's like you look today, people were calling Liquorice 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Pizza like an indie comedy, even though it's p t 28 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: Anderson who could just like run a camera around his 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: house and people would pick it up and fawn over it. 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: But that movie, by a multiple Oscar Award wringing director 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 1: with huge critical cash, is considered like an indie film 32 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: because the next biggest thing that came out last year 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: that cleaned up was Spider Man. So yes, you are 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: completely on point with that. The plot is so strange 35 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: because it's like it's something so specific and unlikable as 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: a sports agent, but it has this mass appeal. I 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: mean I was always surprised growing up so many people 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: I knew counted this movie as their favorite, and uh yeah, 39 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: just having rewatched it recently, I was surprised by the 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: amount of heart in this movie. Movie. And you know, 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: Cameron Crowe would later say I made Jerry McGuire a 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: personal story masquerading as a mainstream movie, and yeah, he's right. 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean even say he's I think he gave an 44 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: interview with The New York Times and he said I 45 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: wanted to write a movie with a real story, the 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: kind that shows up on TV late at night, usually 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: in black and white, which I assume he means like 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: a timeless movie, and damn er he did. I mean, 49 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: it's pre a lot of things that are really like 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: would you say this is pre Zelworger becoming Zelworgger Oh 51 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: big time? Yeah, yeah, so like she goes on to 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: bridget Jones and conquered the world, and also like this 53 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: is sort of pre big Internet and therefore social media. 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: I feel like, to me, it's before like sports figures 55 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: had like social media, you know, like the idea of 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: somebody really like look behind the curtain. Yeah yeah, but 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: you know it works. It's a little moment in time, 58 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: followed by another very zeitgeiste movie of Cameron Crow's almost Famous. 59 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: You mean, oh, I meant singles, but he has almost famous. Yeah, 60 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean almost famous. Gave me and probably 61 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: I bet you one out of every two music journalists 62 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: of our age group, you know in North Star when 63 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: we were going through school. Anyway, enough pre show banter. 64 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: Here's everything you didn't know about Jerry McGuire. Yeah, you 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: touched on this in the Introguire really has its roots 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: in Cameron Crow's prior movie Not you know, only two 67 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: singles and to put up mildly, this film hadn't done 68 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: anywhere near as well as he would have liked. Cameron 69 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: Crow told Paste magazine in two thousand five, all of 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, I just looked around and many false friends disappeared. 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: The people that sort of stayed behind, who you realize 72 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: where you're true friends and would be your friends for 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: life were not the people I expected. And that became 74 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: one of the first ideas that jove Jerry McGuire. What 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: if you lost everything and looked around and all those 76 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: people that you thought would be there for life are gone. 77 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Who's left? So yeah, I mean, there's so many moments 78 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: in this movie in addition to you know, the big 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: overarching themes of this movie that were taken directly from 80 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: Cameron Crow's life, and one of them was the humiliations 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: that he faced while trying to promote Singles. The scene 82 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: in Jerry McGuire when Jerry has to beg Cubic Gooding 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: Junior's character Rod Tidwell to stay with him as his client. 84 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: Cameron had to basically do something similar when he was 85 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: promoting the Singles movie said, like, one of the most 86 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,119 Speaker 1: embarrassing experiences of his professional life up to that point 87 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: was studio executives wouldn't really promote the movie. Actually, I 88 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: don't think they would release the movie unless Pearl Jam, 89 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: who had a bit part in the Singles, would promote 90 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: it an MTV. And so he said, you know, he 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: had to go hat in hand and beg Pearl Jam 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: to like go and do promo for him. And he 93 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: said later it was just so vivid the way my 94 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: stomach eight begging these guys who were friends of mine 95 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: had been struggling six months earlier, were now the biggest 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: band in the world to help me, you know. They 97 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: eventually said yes and the movie got released, but it 98 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: was just really painful experience for him, and he put 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: a lot of that in the Jerry McGuire um. But 100 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire is an not only based on Cameron Crow's 101 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: begging of Pearl jam to do promo for his film 102 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: and the subsequent failure of said film, but several real 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: life people and occurrences. So the story for this movie 104 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: and Jerry is largely based on real life Orange County 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: agent Lee Steinberg, who does make a cameo in the 106 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 1: films Troy Aikman's agent, which he was in real life, 107 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: and he was also a consultant on the film, so 108 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: Steinberg was to use the anchorman line kind of a 109 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: big deal. He represented number one NFL draft picks eight 110 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: times and then he once said in one Super Bowl, 111 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: all six quarterbacks in the game both sides were my clients, 112 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: which is mind boggling. God, just imagine being like, well, 113 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: no matter who wins, I'm cleaning up. Yeah, no matter 114 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: who loses, Lee Steinberg wins. And this is just a 115 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: bit of like inside Baseball with the sports agent world. 116 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: In the nineties, his ex partner David Dunn tried to 117 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: steal a bunch of his clients, just does Jay Morris 118 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: character Bob Sugar does in this movie. Um Crow took 119 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: four years to write Jerry McGuire, and he spent a 120 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 1: lot of time hanging out with Steinberg and tagging along 121 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: at football games, which is basically a pretty seamless transition 122 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: from being like a constant fifth wheel at band practices 123 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: and tours in the Rolling Stone Days. So making another 124 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: appearance in the Too Much Information Extended podcast universe is 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Katzenberg Baby. So Jerry's mission statement in the film 126 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: when he gets fired is influenced directly by Jeffrey Katzenberg, 127 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: who once wrote a twenty eight page memo as head 128 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: of Disney after becoming dissatisfied with the company's box office 129 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: driven mentality. And was it who was it in the 130 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: Beauty of the Beast episode who said more faster, cheaper, bigger, better, faster, cheaper, 131 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: something like that, or maybe that's the death Punk song, 132 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: but something like that. Yeah, So speaking out of both 133 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: sides of his mouth there. Anyway, he sent a twenty 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: eight page manifest a Stoto's employees. And this is one 135 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: of the most brain worms eaten corporate speak statements I've 136 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: ever read. Back in I'm just gonna say in part 137 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: because this is not the twenty eight pages. Can you 138 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: imagine if I just read all twenty pages of this, 139 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: it's like Andy back at night. It's like it's like 140 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: Andy Kaufman reading the Great Gas It's just like the 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: next hour and a half. Buckle up back in. Our 142 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: initial success at Disney was based on the ability to 143 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: tell good stories well. Big stars, special effects, and name 144 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: directors were of little importance. Of course, we started this 145 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: way out of necessity. We had small budgets and not 146 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: much respect, so we substituted dollars with creativity and big 147 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: stars with talent we believe in. Success. Ensued with success 148 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: came bigger budgets and bigger names. We found ourselves attracting 149 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: the caliber of talent with which event movies could be made, 150 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: and more and more we began making them. The result, 151 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: costs have escalated, profitability has slipped, and our level of 152 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: risk has compounded. The time has come to get back 153 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: to our roots. The extraordinary popularity of such films as 154 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Pretty Woman, Ghost, and Home Alone teaches the real lesson 155 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: of tell Me, the real lesson of Jeffrey Catsenberg. Despite 156 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: all the hype and promotional noise, in the end, the 157 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: public will search out the movies it wants to see, 158 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: and these films, more often than not, will primarily be 159 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: based on two basic elements. A good story well executed, 160 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: not stars, not special effects, not casts of thousands, not megabudgets, 161 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: not hype, which, wow, that's aged poorly good Lord, yeah, 162 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: reading that, you know, thirty years later, Katzenberg was basically 163 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: worried that Disney was getting too big for its own good, 164 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: spending too much money and making too many movies. But 165 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: he also doesn't offer anything in the way of solute. 166 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: He basically says, let's go back to the drawing. He 167 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: does say, let's go back to the drawing board and 168 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: get back to basics, and as we do, let's not 169 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: be afraid to admit to others and to ourselves up 170 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: front and with passion that we love what we do. 171 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: And you could just imagine everyone in his office reading 172 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: that and saying, well, okay, well if they read all 173 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: twenty eight pages, well now what kipping to the end? 174 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: I mean, like, well, Jeffrey, uh buddy, hey, jeff what 175 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: does this mean? What does this mean for us? Or 176 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: like calling the HR at Disney being like, am I fired? 177 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: Did Jeffrey Carser? Just fire me? Good job Jeffrey anyway, 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: and continuing sorry, oh my god, another the next segue 179 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: into this, let me just set this up. Jeffrey Katzenberg 180 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: was not the only person who wrote nearly thirty pages 181 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: that year. Uh, Cam and Crow, I guess is you 182 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: know who's nothing if not thorough, actually wrote a twenty 183 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: seven page mission statement as Jerry McGuire over the course 184 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: of writing this film. I would imagine that he gave 185 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: it to Tom Cruise as you know, character and background, 186 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: and none of it has ever seen on the screen, 187 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: but he shared it as part of a special edition 188 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire DVD, and I think it's on Camera Crow's website, 189 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: The Uncool. And this manifesto, it's called the Things We 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: Think and Do Not Say the Future of Our Business. 191 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: And again, this is what Jerry writes one night at 192 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a conference after some bad pizza or something, and it's 193 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of like Katzenberg's manifesto, and that it's equally well 194 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: intentioned but equally vague. And he signs off with, let 195 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: us start a revolution. Let us start a revolution that's 196 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: not just about basketball shoes or official licensed merchandise. I'm 197 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: prepared to die for something, I'm prepared to live for 198 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: our cause. The cause is caring about each other. The 199 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: secret to this job is personal relationships. And again, this 200 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: is about a man finding his moral compass, a man 201 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: in an a moral company finding his moral compass and 202 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: learning to care about people. And I think Camera Crow 203 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: presented this document to Tom Cruise to help him figure 204 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: out kind of more where Jerry McGuire's head was at. 205 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: Tom these are called feelings, and of course he gives 206 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: this manifesto out to his colleagues and he is fired. 207 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: His nemesis, Bob Sugar, takes him out to a restaurant 208 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: and fires him in public and hopes of him not 209 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: causing a scene. And then Jerry rushes back to the 210 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: office in a mad dash to contact his clients to 211 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: take him with him. And as he's hustling back to 212 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: the office to get back to his rolodex and start 213 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: calling his roster, he falls and it's his famous scene 214 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: where he falls in the middle of the office and 215 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: no one knew that was gonna happen except Cameron Crowe 216 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: and Tom Cruise. According to the teen Jerry McGuire Blu 217 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: Ray featurette, Cameron Crow suggested the bit to Tom Cruise 218 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: at the very last minute without telling anyone on the set, 219 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: so all the looks of concern in the background are 220 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: genuine because everyone just thought, Oh my god, Tom Cruise 221 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: fell down, and it's a great little moment. You know, 222 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: he looks great, he's in his suit, but he's faltering. 223 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: And I think it's a really cool to illustrate that 224 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: kind of metaphorical point very literally. But there was very 225 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: nearly a different actor taking that pratfall, and that was 226 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks. Crow were only had Tom Hanks in mind, 227 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: as we all do for all things. Uh, he had 228 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks in mind for the role. But you know, unfortunately, 229 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: in the four years that he spent writing the script, 230 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks kind of loses the boyishness and ages into 231 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: the dad for all seasons that he has become currently. 232 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: Didn't that happen for Hook too? Isn't he like in 233 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: the running to be Peter Pan in the Hook? And 234 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: then the like long, lengthy like preproduction process took so long, 235 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: the kind of age of it, I think that happened 236 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: just goes from boyish to yeah dad. Anyway, by the 237 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: time they got this ready to shoot, Hanks was almost forty. 238 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 1: He had two oscars. He wanted to direct, and he 239 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: made the right call because he directs that thing. You do. Oh, 240 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't handle an alternate universe where there's 241 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: no that thing you do. I would much rather a 242 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: universe where Tom Cruise is Jerry McGuire and that thing 243 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: he do exists. And apparently Hanks rejected an early draft 244 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: of the script because he didn't buy the marriage part quote. 245 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: But without that, it became just a story about a 246 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: guy sleeping with the girl from his office. And then uh, 247 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: you know there's a well, Tom Cruise probably thinks this 248 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: is a rivalry. I don't want to sell it as 249 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: a rivalry, but um, it's ironic that Tom Cruise actually 250 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: got the role of Jerry because Tom Hanks had apparently 251 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: auditioned for the role of risky business. That ultimately goes 252 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: to Tom Cruise and his like big star making role. 253 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Oh Joel, you know they in his underwear and a 254 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: and a white button down shirt and smarmy, smarmy little 255 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Um yeah, god, that would that would not have been 256 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: a good role for Tom Hanks in my opinion, which 257 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: no one asked for anyway, Onto our other favorite part, 258 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: which is alternate universe casting. We should get like a 259 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand. Yeah. Uh so there's Tom's 260 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: Hanks and Cruise, but also Alec Baldwin, Johnny Depp, Sean Penn, 261 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: John Travolta, and Bruce Willis were all considered for the lead. 262 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: What do You Here? Soon was offered the role but 263 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: turned it down, reportedly with the words to James L. 264 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: Brooks of The Simpsons and many other things, nobody is 265 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: going to give it about an agent. I'm gonna go 266 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: out on a lamb and say I would have loved 267 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: to see what a Harrelson in this role, um, but 268 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: it would have been weird because he was coming off 269 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: of like natural Born Killers at the time, which would 270 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: have been a real about face and awesome. I mean, 271 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin doing his Glen Gary Glenn Ross character would 272 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: kind of been. He almost have been too scary in 273 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: this though, man, Johnny Depp. It's also funny to like 274 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: go back and look at all of these because Johnny 275 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Depp pops up in like every big budget alternate casting. 276 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: He was pitched for Neo, he was pitched for like 277 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: in Matrix. He was pitched for so many different things. 278 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Everyone was just like, yeah, I'm hard to think of now. 279 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: But he was on top of the world from like 280 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: eight eight to like oh eight. I feel like maybe 281 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: even later it was pretty consistent. Yeah, but you know, 282 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: Crow and Cruise have more in common than just a 283 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: cr at the end of their last name. Wow. That 284 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: is amazing that but that is true. They actually go 285 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: way back to, uh, the early eighties when they were 286 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: shooting Cameron Crow's first script, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. 287 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: Sean pen of course, was famously in that movie, and 288 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise and Sean Penn were friends from appearing together 289 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: in the movie Taps, So Fast Forward a decade. I've 290 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: never seen Taps. I don't know anything about Taps, but 291 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: I guess Cameron Crow met or at least you know, 292 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: interacted briefly with Tom Cruise on the set of Fast 293 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: Times Fast Forward a decade, and Tom Cruise has some 294 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: free time in his schedule between Mission Impossible and Ice 295 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: Wide Shut, and he loved the Jerry McGuire script so 296 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: much that he actually volunteered to audition, as opposed to, 297 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, simply just being handed the part, which he 298 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: could have very easily done because he's he's Tom Cruise, 299 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: and when you're at that level, you don't audition. Amazing 300 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: completely unrelated eyebar about extremely highly qualified actors being made 301 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: to audition. I guess Shelley Winters was up for some 302 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: movie and they made her audition, and she showed up, 303 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: and she comes with a big bag, and she arrives 304 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: at you know, in the in the casting director's office, 305 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: every big bag. She reaches in, takes out an oscar, 306 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: slams it on the table, reaches into the bag, takes 307 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: out her second oscar and slams it on the table, 308 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: and said something like, here's my resume and here's my 309 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: head shot. So that's incredible. That's the level of you 310 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: know that Tom Cruise was, you know in yet he 311 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: still apparently auditions. He apparently cried when he first read 312 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: the script, which must have been before you got all 313 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: his satan's removed. I'm blocking my public email for Yeah, yeah, 314 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: good lord, just put in a put in like a 315 00:16:53,320 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: speaking spell voice being like scientology reference redacted. Yeah apparently, uh, 316 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: in my defense for any any scientologist listening. Uh. The 317 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: addition went great, went perfect. Ah, don't hurt me, don't 318 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: find me now to play his love interest in the movie, 319 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: Dorothy Boyd. They were considering Monona writer and she was 320 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: able to commit, and I guess they went all the 321 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: way through the screen tests, But I guess in the 322 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: screen tests they look like brother and sister when standing together. 323 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: Um that they both short and dark haired, like yeah, yeah, 324 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: I guess that was kind of the main feedback, so 325 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: they decided to go a different direction for the role 326 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: of Dorothy. Other contenders were Patricia Arquette, Cameron Diaz, Bridget Fonda, 327 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman, who I don't think they were together at 328 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: this time. Maybe I guess they must have been, Courtney Love, 329 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: Molly Ringwald, Uma Thurman, Parker Posey, Mara Servino, and Marissa Tomay. 330 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: And Jennifer Lopez, who supposedly turned it down because of 331 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: her agent. She said the agent told enough to do it. 332 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: But the person who got the closest to Dorothy the 333 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: boyd was Connie Britton, and she read for the role 334 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: and was very nearly cast. It was apparently down to 335 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: her and Renee's l Wigger and Uh. In an interview 336 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: with The New York Times, Connie Britten said that she 337 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: auditioned for Jerry and absolutely nailed the audition, and Cameron 338 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: Crows said that she had shown him what the character 339 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: should be really like, brought a whole new depth of 340 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: this character that he'd created, and she met with Tom 341 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: Cruise in New York and they did a table read 342 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: with him and the rest of the cast, and it 343 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: really seemed like in her mind that she'd won this role. 344 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: And then after doing a screen test with Tom Cruise, 345 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: she heard someone say, oh yeah, they just want to 346 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: see one more actress, and that was Rene's l wigger. 347 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: So Connie Britten was heartbroken and joked later that she 348 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: maybe she didn't get the part because she was too tall. 349 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: That could have been a very real consideration they were 350 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: doing that, they were doing that. I want to I 351 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: wish Courtney Love coming off of people versus Larry Flint. 352 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine the chaotic energy that would have been 353 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: Tom Cruising Courtney Love anchoring this film. Holy God, that 354 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: would have been incredible. But I also love the idea 355 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: of Nicole Kidman doing it because then right after in 356 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: Eyes Wide Shot are then like the five years later 357 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: version of Jarry Required. I love that, oh boy, But 358 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: sadly it was not to be. We got renail worker, 359 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: who was who was amazing in this Oh yeah. She 360 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: auditioned three times with Tom Cruise, and she was apparently 361 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: scared out of her mind each time, which makes sense East, 362 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: and she was really not a big name at this point. 363 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: I guess when she were records right, would have been 364 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: her big one around the time. I think that probably 365 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: would have been it. I mean, I'm not totally sure, 366 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: but Texas Chainsaw Massacre four. I think she's in with 367 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey. Seriously, Yeah, sure, sure, I am. I did 368 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: not know that. Yeah nineteen Oh my god, Yeah that 369 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: movie was so this is right before Jerry McGuire. Then 370 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: Texas changed somew Massacre the next generation it was called McConaughey. 371 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, apparently they did not pay her much because 372 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: I guess when Cameron Crow called her an offered her 373 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: the job that day, it had been so long since 374 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: she worked that she went to the A T M. 375 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: And she didn't have enough of a balance to make 376 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: a withdrawal. So, I mean, this was definitely, you know, 377 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Mona from Heaven getting this role. Do a little movie 378 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: nerd directorial tidbit, Cameron Crow showed Tom Cruise photos of 379 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy just to kind of demonstrate 380 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: the kind of chemistry that he was hoping for, kind 381 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: of combative teasing you know, flirtations, teasing, that was what 382 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: he was looking for between between Jerry McGuire and Dorothy Boyd. 383 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: And as for a very different audition story now getting 384 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: into Cuba Gooding Junior, Cuba Gooding Junior beat out fifty 385 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: other actors to land the role, including Jamie Foxx and 386 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: Damon Wayans. And when he first read the part for 387 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: the studio that helped me help you seen he read 388 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: with Robin Williams. He assumed that Williams was going to 389 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: be playing Jerry McGuire, but Tom Cruise had actually already 390 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: been hired and Williams was substituting as just like a 391 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: personal favor, which I don't know, man, you can get. 392 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: That's that's wild to me that they just had Robin 393 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: Williams and they're doing screen tests or like reading sides. 394 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah um. And then those two actually Gooding in 395 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: Rob Williams would go on to co star in What 396 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: Dreams May Come? Have you seen that movie? It's a 397 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: very sad It is devastating, Yeah, especially one man's uh 398 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: Robin Williams journey through purgatory, uh to try to reach 399 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: his wife who is in hell because she took her 400 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: own life out of depression after their two kids were 401 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: killed in a car accident. I mean, it is just 402 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: one thing after another after another, And of course there's 403 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: a whole other level of sad in the wick of 404 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: Robin Williams death as well. It is a I haven't 405 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: I think I was only able to watch it once. 406 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: A powerful movie, visually, really incredible. There's like a scene 407 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I remember it being really visually Yeah, Like there's a 408 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: scene where he's walking through like a van go painting 409 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: or something and it looks Yeah, but that's a very 410 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: different vibe than Jerry McGuire. Yeah, not least of all 411 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: because Gooding. So Gooding and Tom Cruise had worked together before. 412 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: They're both in a Few good Men, and so Cruiz 413 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: was excited to work with him, and they throw in 414 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: an Easter egg reference to a Few good Men. He 415 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: says that's truth. Can you handle it? Which is a 416 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: giant winking nod from Jack Nicholson saying you can't handle 417 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: the truth and a Few good Men anyway. Cameron Crow 418 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: is writing in a production journal for Rolling Stone, and 419 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: he recalls that when they're doing this locker room scene, 420 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: whether they're doing the read for it could be Gooding Jr. 421 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: Says am I naked in this scene because it's a 422 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: locker room, and Cameron Crow says yes, So Cuba Gooding 423 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: Junior takes off his pants. He drops trial and says, 424 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: come on, let's go, beckoning with his hands saying like, 425 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: come on, let's do this to read this scene. I'm 426 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: going to get this part. I ain't afraid of nothing, 427 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: and he did. He was right. Yeah, he won the role. 428 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: And it's interesting Cuba Gunning Jr. Was a, you know, 429 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: not a football player sized man, so Crowe rewrote the 430 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: part with the character description as a football player whose 431 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: some felt was too short for the nfl um And 432 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: while we're doing our favorite alternate casting bit, Janet Jackson 433 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: reportedly read for the part of Marcy Tidwell. She lost 434 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: out to Regina King, who co starred with her Poetic Justice, 435 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: but they steak her into the film regardless because there's 436 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: a poster of her hanging on the wall of Tidwell's brother, 437 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: whose name is t P. He's got a Janet Jackson 438 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: poster hanging on his wall, so she makes it into 439 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire. Nonetheless. As you meditate on that, we'll be 440 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: right back with more too much information after these messages. 441 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: Cuba Gooding Jr. Uh, I don't know if you've seen 442 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: interviews of him orerever. He break dances frequently at the 443 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: drop of a hat. Unsurprisingly, he has a background in it. 444 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: Who among us, Yeah, who among us have not broke broke? 445 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: What was the past tense of break dance? Broke danced, 446 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: broke danced, broke dance, mountain broke, broke dances with wolves. 447 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: Cubic Gooden Junior said he's one of the young dancers 448 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: in the Olympics closing ceremonies in l A performing alongside 449 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Lionel Ritchie and his touchdown dance in the film is 450 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: this right? Yeah, he did all his own dancing and 451 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: stunts in this movie. And his little touchdown dance that 452 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: he does in um Jere McGuire was apparently choreographed by 453 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Paula Abdul, who got her start as I think she 454 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, right, or maybe she was 455 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: a Laker girl. It sounds like a Laker girl. Oh yeah. 456 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: It's just wowed to me that they brought her in 457 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: just to do a touchdown dance. But I don't have 458 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: a segue for this, well, just dancing in music runs 459 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: in in Cuba's family blood. His dad, Cuba Gooding Senior, 460 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: was the lead singer for the R and B group 461 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: The main Ingredient, who had nine top ten hit with 462 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: Everybody Plays the Fool. Everyone you know that song, right, 463 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: he plays the Fool. So that's the that's the least 464 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: soulful rendition of that song that has ever been done. 465 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Um. So He's talking to Graham Norton in 466 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve on the BBC and Cuba Gooding Jr. 467 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: Says Cuba Gooding Senior embarrassed him on the set because 468 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: the story is cringe. He introduces his dad to Tom Cruise. 469 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: His dad hugs him and he then just says, but seriously, 470 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: are you gay or not? Which Cruise apparently took it well, 471 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: laughed it off, says no. But man, can you imagine 472 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: doing that like twenty years later and you just get 473 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: black bagged and sent to like the sign tile G compound. 474 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: Good Lord? Yeah, apparently Cuba getting Jr. Kept his dad 475 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: off the set after that. Yeah, but there is a 476 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: nowhere near his awkward but also a slightly cringe worthy 477 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: moment with Tom Cruise and his co star Bonnie Hunt, 478 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: who plays Dorothy Boyd's protective older sister. Bonnie Hunt said, 479 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, nice to work with you again, and Tom 480 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Cruise said she was kidding and he had totally forgotten. 481 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: They had worked together in Rainman in what would that 482 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: have been? Like eighty nine, a couple of many years earlier, 483 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: but still but apparently there was no hard feelings with 484 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: Bonnie herself, who later said in an interview that the 485 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: toughest part of filming Jerry McGuire was quote playing a 486 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: character who doesn't like Tom Cruise, so she's very gracious 487 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: about it. And now we're doing a fantasy casting for 488 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: Avery Bishop, who was Jerry McGuire's really rather terrifying girlfriends, 489 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: very aggressive, cutthroat girlfriend. Jennifer Connolly and Meg Ryan were 490 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: both offered the role of Avery Bishop, but they both 491 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: turned it. It doth seem too nice to me. Diane 492 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: Lane and Listen Milano, Tori Spelling all audition. Tori Spelling 493 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: would have been great, but truly that would have been 494 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: really incredible. But Kelly Presson won the part, and she 495 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: she knocked it out of the park. She was really 496 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: I forgot what a standout character she was, and she's 497 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: not even in it that long, but I would have 498 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: also liked to see Courtney Love in that role. Oh yeah, 499 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: after being Sid and Nancy like and like cornering the 500 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: market on like terrible girlfriends in in film. My favorite 501 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: near miscasting story for Jerry McGuire is, uh, camera, Crow 502 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: really worked so hard to try to cast his filmmaking 503 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: hero Billy Wilder, one of the greatest directors of all time. 504 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he's directed some of my favorite comedies, some 505 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: like It Hot with Marilyn Monroe and Jack Lemon, and 506 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: Tony Curtis, The Seven Year Itch also with marily Monroe, 507 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: Arma Le Deuce with Sherilyn McClain, and then he's got 508 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: like Hollywood noir classics like Sunset Boulevard and Double Indemnity. 509 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: I mean, just amazing track record. And he really excelled 510 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: at capturing I think what he himself called that bittersweet, 511 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: romantic feeling, and that's something that Cameron Crow really wanted 512 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: to strive for in Jerry McGuire. Crow later said that 513 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: he based the movie Jerry McGuire around Wilder's classic The 514 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: Apartment with Jack Lemon and Shirley McClain, which Camera Crow 515 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: said is his favorite film as it should be absolutely 516 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: amazing movie. And Crow said that was the one that 517 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: inspired me to begin writing my own portrait of the 518 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: contemporary man, that faceless guy who puts on a suit 519 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: and tie every day. Jerry McGuire and he used Shirley 520 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: McClain's character in the Apartment, Frank Kublick as the kind 521 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: of woman that he wanted Dorothy Boyd to be. So 522 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Camera Crow so revered Billy Wilder that he tried to 523 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: get him to play the role of Dickie Fox, who 524 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: was Jerry McGuire's mentor, and he crops up throughout the 525 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: movie and you know spitial cutaways offering words of wisdom, 526 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: and it would have been perfect, you know, Cameron Crowe 527 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: having his own personal guru in there as being like 528 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: the guy throughout the film was sort of like the 529 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: emotional comp It would have been great. But Wilder, who 530 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: at this point hadn't made a film in fifteen years, 531 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: he was pushing ninety, and he wasn't exactly game to 532 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: start his acting career now he'd never acted before. It 533 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: took Cameron Crow a year before he got Billy Wilder 534 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: to agree to meet with him. Wilder keeps him waiting 535 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: for something like two hours, and then when he finally arrives, 536 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: he mistakes Crow for a delivery boy, which is heartbreaking 537 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: but kind of understandable because Crow showed up with a 538 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: vintage poster of the apartment for Billy Wilder design, which 539 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: is adorable. It's adorable, and I think, I guess he 540 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: must have had it in like one of those packing 541 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: tubes or something. So okay, as you do, as one does, 542 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and as poor guy Crow describes this whole protracted back 543 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: and forth in the elaborate production diary that he wrote 544 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: for Rolling Stone and the dialogue and this is like 545 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: something in a Billy Wilder movie. And we read a 546 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: little excerpt from it. This is Cameron Crow talking to 547 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: Billy Wilder. There's a part I want you to play 548 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: in my move V. I announced, I don't act. He 549 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: said quickly, I won't do it. It's just a small 550 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: part that I definitely won't do it, he fired back 551 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: in a flash. There it was a strong reminder of 552 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: the mind and the pen that had produced some of 553 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: the world's greatest dialogue Seeing Daylight. I continued to pitch 554 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: him on the part, and after a few minutes, Wilder shrugged, 555 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: let me read it, I might do it, and Cam 556 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: and Crawler says he left on a cloud. He's thrilled 557 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: that there's a maybe there. And he returns a few 558 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: days later with some rare cigars I guess while there 559 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: was a big cigar ficcionado and left him some cigars 560 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: on his desk with a little note that said, to 561 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: your acting debut, which is very sweet. And so things 562 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: are shaping up well. He's really thinking that Wilder might 563 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: do it, and Wilder's own agent said that he's you know, 564 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: he's warm into it. He's feeling very positive about the project. 565 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: And so you know, Cam and Crows over the moon 566 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: and he decides that what better way to kick off 567 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: this new project than to be the first scene they 568 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: shoot to be of Billy Wilder is hero. So it's 569 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: the first day of the shoot and Billy Wilder's an 570 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: no show. So Crow, yeah, I mean poor guy, I 571 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: mean it ghosted by your idols. Yeah, So so Crow. 572 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: Not to be dissuaded, he pays Billy Wilder a visit 573 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: with Tom Cruise. He's bringing out the big guns here 574 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: to try to convince him to do this part, and 575 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: while they're welcomes them both by I guess, he just says, well, 576 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: I can't throw you out. You won't change my mind, 577 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: but go ahead, which God bless him, Crow tried. He 578 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: delivers this passionate monologue about the Apartment and how much 579 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: that film it meant to him, and how the film 580 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: was perfect because it had the perfect actors and Wilder 581 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: was the perfect Dicky Fox and while it is kind 582 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: of letting all this, all this passion wash over him, 583 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: and then he just very calmly asks, what's the story 584 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: of your movie? Uh? And Crow sums up the plot 585 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: and he's really getting into it because it sounds like 586 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: a Billy Wilder movie. It sounds like one of his movies, 587 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: and um, he assumes that Billy Wilder will be intrigued 588 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: that this kind of like, you know, very something similar 589 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: to the kind of things that he would like to do, 590 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: and maybe he'd be honored by the homage, and uh 591 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: he thought wrong. Uh. Really, Wilder listens to the plot 592 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: and says, and why do we care about this sports 593 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: agent to begin with? Which I murdered. I'm a screenwriting major. 594 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm a screenwriting major. I've been told that that is 595 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: a because there's no response to that. There's no it 596 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: is a devastating criticism from your idol. And I guess 597 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: Crow later wrote great, I took three and a half 598 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: years writing this script, and it takes eighty nine year 599 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: old Billy Wilder two minutes and dismantled the whole damn thing. 600 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: So in anyway, they kind of Crow kind of starts 601 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: to plan his his retreat and Wilder, meanwhile, is more 602 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: interested in pitching Tom Cruise his own project, which is great. 603 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely sees an opportunity when one is there. 604 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: And so they're walking out and Wilder says to Crow, 605 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: nice to meet you, which is devastating because they've already met. 606 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: And then he turned and then he said turned to 607 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: Cruise and said nice to meet you. And then he 608 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: winked and said the Cruise especially you. So Crow didn't 609 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: get Wilder to be in his movie, but he did 610 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: get a book out of the ordeal. I guess they 611 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: became friendly enough that Wilder let him right the conversations 612 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: with Wilder, so I guess there's something of a of 613 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: a happy ending there. The guy they ended up getting 614 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: to play Dickie Fox was not an actor, was I 615 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: guess the head of business affairs at Tristars Studios, the 616 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: studio producing the movie, guy by name of Jared jessiem 617 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: And or maybe it's just him. But if you listen 618 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: to those scenes, it's weird. It's very clear that this 619 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: man is not an actor. Now he teaches law at Southwestern. 620 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: Now you're quick on the draw with the google, my friend, 621 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: do you want to know what his words of advice 622 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: are on his adjunct There on his adjunct faculty page, 623 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: don't trust anybody regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, sex, age, 624 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: marital status, disability, sexual orientation, or whether or not they 625 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: served in Vietnam. I don't remember that being in the movie. No, No, 626 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: that's on the Southwestern adjunct faculty page for Jared ja. 627 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: See those are his actual words of advice. So now 628 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: you don't have to take his class there go um. 629 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, Crow, really he endured more humiliation than but what, 630 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: by all accounts is a very nice man should have 631 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: to endure. And he did, as we mentioned earlier with 632 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: the whole Pearl Jam anecdote, he funneled a lot of 633 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: these into the story for Jerry McGuire, Yeah, and this 634 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: is just still like a He doesn't name this woman, 635 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: but there is a particular incident that he draws. One 636 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: of the moments is the scene when the young athlete 637 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: is crying on the phone while she's firing Jerry, and 638 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: then she thinks she's taking a call on the other 639 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: line and she's like, totally fine, no tears at all. 640 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: So she's this total double faced situation, but she realized 641 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: it's still Jerry on the line. So that apparently happened 642 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: to Cameron Crowe with an actress who he is diplomatically 643 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: not named, but she was, to use his phrase, disconnecting 644 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: herself from apart she take in one of his movies, 645 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: de Programming. Disconnecting, Yeah, disconnecting. He tells the story in 646 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: a anniversary piece for Deadline. He says, she called up 647 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: weeping and then another call came in and she was 648 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: like hello, and I said it's still me and she goes, oh, 649 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: I feel so bad. So I just remembered being alone 650 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: late at night in the office, feeling rejected by this 651 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: actress we really wanted, and it found a home in 652 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire. But one person, one triumph from the casting 653 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: department is that at least Cameron Crow's mom appeared in 654 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: it immend her being Frances mcdormott and almost famous, but 655 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: I guess that's not totally what she was like. She's 656 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: one of the moms in the Divorced Woman's group. She's 657 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: the one who says, I finally got in touch with 658 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: my anger. And another person who appears in that meeting 659 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: is Winnie Holzman, the creator of my so called life. 660 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: She's the one who says, these holidays make me feel 661 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,959 Speaker 1: more divorced. That's grim alright. Cameo Lightning round. Oh yeah, 662 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: this movie has as a plethora of cameos. That is 663 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the late Great Glenn Fry of the Eagles as the 664 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: general manager of Rod's team, the Arizona Cardinals. It's funny 665 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: he walks right in when the Cardinals are playing the 666 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, which can't be an accident. I like that, 667 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: You like that? I do like that. Music video director 668 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: Mark Pellington is the director of the commercial with the 669 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: camel with Rod at the end of the movie, and 670 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: that's Allison Chain's frontman. Jerry Cantrell was the guy at 671 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: the copy shop who helps Jerry print his famous mission 672 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: statement chains were in singles. Oh yeah, that's right. Okay, 673 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: that makes a lot more sense now. And speaking of 674 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: people from Cameron Crow's past, Yon Winner plays the character Scully, 675 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: who is the head of the sports agency that Jerey 676 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: mcgara works for. Young Winner, of course, publisher of Rolling 677 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: Stone magazine, for whom Cameron Crow once worked. And then 678 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: there's a whole assortment of sports people commentator Roy Firestone, 679 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeff Lurry, Dallas Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman, 680 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: along with his real life agent Lye Steinberg we mentioned earlier. Uh. 681 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: Steinberg was supposed to have a bigger role in this movie, 682 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: playing Jerry's brother. I guess he was supposed to give 683 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: like a really like unflattering toast at Jerry's bachelor party 684 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie. But I guess Steinberg 685 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: turned the roll down because he didn't want to come 686 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: off as a villain in the movie. Uh. And he 687 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: said to this day, I may be the only actor 688 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: who ever talked his way out of a scene with 689 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, which man probably true. So the most out 690 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: of left field connection that this film has for me, 691 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: at least is Ronnie would uh here's the eternally cool, 692 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: one of the coolest guitarists of all time. He was 693 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: in The Faces. You know he's in Stones Stones, Yeah, apparently. 694 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: And this is a story on Crow's own website. He 695 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: was in Dublin with Pearl Jam and they were in 696 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: a bar and uh, Ronnie Wood walked in and yells 697 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: to Crow, there's a guy who's stalking me and he 698 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: finds me wherever I go. I don't trust him, and 699 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: he seems nice, but he scares me. He says his 700 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: name is Bob Sugar. Bob Sugar, can you believe it? 701 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: And then Crow says later on he thinks that would 702 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: was probably saying Brown Sugar as in the Stone song, 703 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: because Ronnie would probably at this point was drunk. I'm assuming. 704 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he was in the Faces, so he probably 705 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: has some problem, not with drinking. I don't know if 706 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: you've gotten sober by that point. But Crow says, when 707 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: it came time to name the characters for Jerry McGuire, 708 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: Sugar was the first one on the page. He said, 709 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: the perfect name for a nemesis. It rolled off your 710 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: tongue with ease. It is a great name. Is a 711 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: really incredible name. Another sports figure who made a cameo, 712 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: and Jerry McGuire is the x NFL defensive back. Tim McDonald, 713 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: I say x NFL defensive back, because if I know 714 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: what any of that means, she's the one who actually 715 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: is credited with coming up with the phrase show me 716 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: the money, which you know, of course was a rod 717 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: Tidwell okay, Q believing junr is rallying cry. That's like 718 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: the only thing I remember from this film when I 719 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: was like when it came out as like a child 720 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: just people yelling show me the money all the time. Yeah, Cuba, 721 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's nothing if not effusive. I think 722 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: in his Oscar's speech, I think it's probably the record 723 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: for the most number of times that somebody just yelled 724 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: I love you at the dais at the Academy Awards ceremony. 725 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: He's uh an effusive me. Yeah he is. And he's 726 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: still still using that line. I mean. In August of 727 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one, one of our reporters at page 728 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: six has a piece that apparently he was in East 729 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: Hampton partying and he burst into the kitchen at a 730 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: Japanese restaurant and personally thanked the kitchen staff for the sushi, 731 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: which he was apparently very taken with and kept yelling 732 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: show me the sushi um, which they already had done. 733 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: What Yeah, they had, they had showed him the sushi, 734 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: and this chim me probably And so he's screaming this 735 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: at them, right, this is like full volume. I imagine. 736 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: I just imagine a bunch of like poor sushi place workers, 737 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: like probably none of whom were born when this movie 738 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: came up, just like looking up at him and being like, 739 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: why are you screaming this to me? Like we we 740 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: did show you the sushi. We're going to take a 741 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: quick break, but we'll be right back with more too 742 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: much information in just a moment. The other mind that 743 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: keep it getting genius character says in this movie is 744 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: this whole speech about the kuan And this was something 745 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: that Cameron Crowe wrote as kind of like the custom 746 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: mide catchphrase of this movie. He really thought that the 747 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: quan would catch on for those of you who don't remember, 748 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: which I have to say I myself didn't not at all. 749 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: The quand isn't It's a combination of community, love, respect, 750 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: and money. I mean that was what the quand represents, 751 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: sort of like all the important things in life, all 752 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: the things you need to get. And again that was 753 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: crows like custom made catch phrase. He was really bummed 754 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: apparently that this phrase like didn't catch on in the 755 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: same way that showed me the money became like a 756 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: global phenomenon almost immediately after the movie was released. It 757 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: just really never connected, but he maintained a soft spot 758 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: for it in the years to come. And I guess 759 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: when the skater Michelle Kwan went to the Olympics, a 760 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: friend called Cameron Crow in the middle of a routine 761 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: and said, turn on the TV. And in the middle 762 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: of a huge crowd at the Olympics, there's a fan 763 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: with a sign that to show me the quan. So 764 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: it resonated with one person. I've been a lot to him. 765 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: And while we're on the subject of really quite a 766 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: few catch phrases from this movie, show the money, the 767 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: quan and the weight of the human head. Talk about 768 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: the famous adorable one of the cutest kids in movie history. 769 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: Come on, Ray wow wa do you hear about what 770 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: Rays doing? Now? Uh, let's not get ahead of ourselves though. 771 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan lip Nikki, an iconic cute kid in cinema and 772 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: Crow wanted a kid who didn't seem like one these 773 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: industry vets like you explicitly said he didn't want a 774 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: kid who seemed like he walked out of a McDonald's commercial, 775 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: and they they cast a non actor originally, and this person, 776 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: in a real power move, abruptly announced they didn't want 777 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: to do the movie anymore. And and you're right, you 778 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: said in here. According to one source, he did this 779 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of a scene. Well okay, I mean 780 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: he was like five first of all, and I guess 781 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: he had been going to Tom Cruise sort of on 782 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: moments on the set apparently, and kind of quietly been like, 783 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't really want to do this. I don't, I 784 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: don't or is everybody going to be mad at me 785 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: if I don't want to do this anymore? And Tom 786 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: Cruise kind of like give him like a one on 787 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: one counseling session and said like, no, no, it's okay 788 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: to quit, Like no one's gonna be mad at you, 789 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: It's okay if you don't want to do this, like 790 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: it's better just to let us know, which is sweet, 791 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: and apparently, according to one source, I saw I don't 792 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: know if this is completely true, but I like to 793 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: believe it that in the middle of a scene he 794 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: just the kid. The kid walked, The kids walked straight 795 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: out of the frame. Um. But so enter Jonathan lip Nikki, 796 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: age five from Where is he from? I think he's 797 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: from Arisona. I think from Death Valley, four ft three pounds, 798 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: stripping wet. Yeah, weirdly enough, the kids a huge Tom 799 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: Cruise fan already, and he goes into Tom's trailer for 800 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: an audition and he's just super effusive to Tom. He says, 801 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: I've been a fan of yours my entire life, which 802 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: is when you're when you're five years old, my entire life. 803 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: Like it's weird to be like you to be a 804 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: five year old to top Gun is your favorite movie? 805 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: Like that's odd. Anyway, he leaves the trailer and he 806 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: gives Tom a big Maverick thumbs up, and Cameron Crowe 807 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: is immediately taken with this kid. He describes him as 808 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: that moment as like seeing Elvis in fifty six. Um. 809 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: But you know, he does have great chemistry with Tom 810 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: and apparently a lot of that's ad libs, which is 811 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: really wild. The scene where they're talking in the living 812 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: room for the first time completely ad libbed, didn't have 813 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: any human dialogue, and then this the famous line about 814 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: the human head weighing eight pounds. Jonathan Lipnikki, as kids 815 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: do like I did this. I don't know if you did. 816 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: It was just like one of those like weird trivia 817 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: things that kids read and then repeat everywhere. Jonathan Lipniki 818 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: just showed up to the set one day telling everyone that, 819 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: and it got written into the script. But is it true? 820 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: Fact checking that? Um, where did you see this? I 821 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: think it was a textbook? And also brain stuff, which 822 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: I guess if I was going to trust the fact 823 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: about the brain, brain stuff would probably be where I go. Yeah, 824 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 1: so anyway, lip Nikki was wrong. Hashtag lip Nikki was wrong. 825 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: The human head actually weighs between ten to eleven pounds, 826 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: and the brain weighs about three. Speaking of the human head, 827 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 1: Jonathan Lipniki has found a different use for his now. 828 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: George talked about that. Yeah, apparently, uh lick Nikki. He 829 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,360 Speaker 1: attended public school and he was something of an athlete. 830 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: He played basketball and baseball, and he was on the 831 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: water polo team, which I want to know a high school. 832 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: Public high school has a water polo team that's like, yeah, 833 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: I bet you do. I guess he he had sort 834 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: of an awkward face that's a lot of child actors do, 835 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: and they're kind of growing out of that, and he 836 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: he's told this story where we've gotten lazy. By this point, 837 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: his trademark granny glasses are gone, and he walks into 838 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: casting agents office and they're behind the desk with sunglasses 839 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: and unlit cigar and they take one look at him 840 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: when he's like nineteen and said he used to be cute. 841 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: What happened and then just laid into him for like 842 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: ten minutes about how he's not cute anymore and just 843 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: really cruel to him. And then he leaves this audition 844 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: like barely keeping it together. And then his agent calls 845 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: him and says, why are you such a jerk to 846 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: that casting agent. So this guy had kind of a 847 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: kind of a rough time. He's now gone on to 848 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: become a mixed martial arts fighter. That's the cute kid 849 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: from Jeremy McGuire is a mixed martial arts fighter. He 850 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: holds a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu Jit Sue, and 851 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: he's a very ripped man. When he put it that way, 852 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: he and he's using his powers for good. This is 853 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: a truly wild story. Last year in July, apparently there 854 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: were anti Semitic attacks happening in l A in the 855 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: Fairfax District against Orthodox Jews who are going to temple. 856 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: Pro Palestinian men were shooting people with paintballs and stuff. 857 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, and um, Jonathan Lipniki and another 858 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 1: fellow actor and mixed martial artists named Remy Franklin formed 859 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: like a escort service for Orthodox Jews, just like because 860 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 1: they can't carry phones, so they can't call the police 861 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: when they're being attacked. So ripped Jonathan Lipniki and one 862 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: of his m m A buddies started walking these Orthodox 863 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,959 Speaker 1: Jews to temple. This is on TMZ on a bunch 864 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: of stuff. And uh yeah, I mean he says, uh, 865 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of anti Semitic hate, crimes and 866 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: violence towards Jews. He said, families, women, children, every one 867 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: should have the right to worship without being discriminated against. 868 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: But he just said. He also says a lot of 869 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,240 Speaker 1: us are martial artists who own or own martial arts gyms, 870 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: and not all of us are Jewish. It's just people 871 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: wanting to help other people. Oh he is a black belt. 872 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: Now it was a black belt now, okay, yeah, but 873 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: that is truly wild. Bless you. Jonathan lip Nikki, who 874 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: was that mask man? It was for as a bird? 875 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: Is it a plane? No? It was. I know, I 876 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 1: just combined the Lone Ranger and Superman and but good lord, 877 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: that is amazing. Good head, good heart, good kid. Anyway, 878 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 1: moving on, there are so many stories behind these catchphrases, 879 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: from show me the money and the quan to the 880 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: head weighing eight pounds. Uh. The other big line from 881 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: this movie, of course, is you complete me. After Jerry 882 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: McGuire's big speech trying to win back roys Elwigger's character. 883 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: Camera Crowe very nearly cut this line, which is you 884 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: know maybe after showing me the money is the most 885 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: famous line in this movie. But he planned to cut 886 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: it from the script, and then Tom Cruise stepped in 887 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: and apparently said, no, I love that line, like, give 888 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: me a crack at it. So they're shooting that scene 889 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: when when Jerry comes home to try to win Renee back, 890 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: and at this point it was like a marathon night 891 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,240 Speaker 1: of filming. It was something like four in the morning, 892 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: and he delivers the speech, delivers the you complete me 893 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: line cruise I wreck. Renee's elwiggers I wreck tears a streaming. 894 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: Then everybody's faces just deliver the line so perfectly and 895 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: powerfully right at her really sold the line, and it became, 896 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, one of the most famous lines in movie history. Uh, 897 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: there's another line in this movie that helped Bumpy ride 898 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: before making it into the finished film. Rene's Elwiger didn't 899 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: know how to say that you had me at hello 900 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: line and actually thought it was a typo when she 901 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: first was reading the script. Talking about Cameron Crow's dialogue 902 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: I guess um in Say Anything, which was Cameron Crow's 903 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: directorial debut, and he wrote the script to Uh, I 904 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: guess John Cusack told him that his writing isn't easy 905 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: to act because, and this is John Cusack talking, the 906 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: key is to play it as if it's real life, 907 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: and real life is not easy to act because real 908 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: life is mostly boring. So I guess it's kind of 909 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: become something of a thing that Cameron Crow's lines are 910 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: so true to real life and kind of personal and 911 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: human that it's kind of hard to eat a lot 912 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,919 Speaker 1: of emotion out of them sometimes and One of these 913 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: lines was Dorothy Boyd's you had Me at Hello. As 914 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,399 Speaker 1: I said earlier, I mean in an interview that Renaizelweger 915 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: gave with Newsday years later, she said it took her 916 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,399 Speaker 1: many many tries to get an inflection of that line 917 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 1: that worked. She said, kept saying like, it's so funny, 918 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: because when I read it, I didn't get it. I 919 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 1: thought it was a type though I kept looking at it. 920 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: It was the one thing in the script that I 921 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 1: was looking at, going is that right? Can that be right? 922 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: And eventually, after many many takes, she got that famous inflection, 923 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: the broken voice that works, and it's the moment that 924 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: we know and love. But we were cheated out of 925 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: a less sentiment, a moment in this movie, shall we 926 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: say an in movie Reebok commercial was cut, which ended 927 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: up costing the studio that may Jerry McGuire quite a 928 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: bit of money. Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's a movie 929 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: about professional athletes and endorsements, so there's a lot of 930 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: product placement that happens in the film. Um, you estimated 931 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: twenty five retailers who get screen time in this film 932 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: something like that, and Reebok is among them. They spent 933 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: one and a half million on placement, and they were 934 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be an in movie commercial that would have 935 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: been starring Cuba Gooding Junior's character, but that scene got 936 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: cut and all that was left was his tirade against 937 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: so if your Reebok. At this point, they've just cut 938 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: a one and a half million dollar check for what 939 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: they assumed was going to be an ad in this film, 940 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 1: and instead all they get is the character saying reebok. 941 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: So you know, they were somewhat upset, uh and sued 942 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: the studio for ten million dollars for breach of contract. Eventually, 943 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: this was settled out of court and the Rebok ad 944 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: has been restored to the film in television broadcasts and 945 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,759 Speaker 1: on the special edition DVD. UM I don't really get why. 946 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I assume they would have like hammer that 947 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: out with Cameron Carl, like, Okay, whatever you want, but 948 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: but leave leave this little piece right here, because somebody 949 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: paid a whole lot of money for that. But yeah, 950 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: I'm almost confused why this all occurred. But yeah, that 951 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 1: was they said it. Do you think one of the 952 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 1: lawyers said show me the money in court? I mean, 953 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: it feels like an easy layoff. It feels like he 954 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: must have like to turn stworards the jury, and he's 955 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 1: like and at the end of the day, ladies and 956 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 1: gentlemen um. So the film comes out and you know what, 957 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: obviously it's a it's a smash. I mean, it's it's 958 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,240 Speaker 1: let's put it that way. It was just a drop 959 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: in the bucket Tom Cruise's fifth consecutive hundred million plus movies, 960 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 1: which is he set a new record with it. And 961 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,439 Speaker 1: it didn't just make money hand over fist. It made 962 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: money handover fist for its budget. It grows two hundred 963 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: and seventy three million worldwide against a reported fifty million budget, 964 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: ninth highest grossing film of nineties six. The film was 965 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: nominated for five Academy Awards, including the Best Picture and 966 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: Best Actor, and Cuba Gooding Junior wins Best Supporting Actor 967 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: and turns in one of the all time acceptance speeches 968 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: during it. Yeah. Ebert gave it three out of four. 969 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 1: Writing in Variety, Todd McCarthy said, Jerry McGuire runs an 970 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: unusual pattern on its way to scoring an unexpected number 971 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: of emotional, social, and entertaining points. So threw a lot 972 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: of football references into that good job McCarthy hit the 973 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: showers and uh no. Less an authority than former Green 974 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,840 Speaker 1: Bay Packers vice president Andrew Brant has co signed the 975 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: film as far as the sports agent world, especially the 976 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,760 Speaker 1: lengths to which agents will go to retain or pilfer clients, 977 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: and he also said it also captured the financial, emotional, 978 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: and psychological investment that goes far beyond negotiating contracts. So 979 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 1: there you go, good job Cameron, right, Yeah, I mean again, 980 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: this is a guy who approaches these movies like he 981 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,800 Speaker 1: did his his well researched articles when he tagged along 982 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: with bands like G's Fleet with Mac led Zeppelin, who 983 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: else the who? And good Lord is so yeah he 984 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 1: still water right, And before we go, we've got some 985 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: little fun fact odds and ends that don't really fit 986 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: anywhere else. When Jerry is helping Dorothy move, one of 987 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: the boxes he's carrying has the game Risk in it. 988 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: And in Cameron Crow's Almost Famous there's a box when 989 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,919 Speaker 1: the character's sisters moving out of their family home that's 990 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 1: being carried. That box also has the game risk in it. Yeah, 991 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: somebody like that is Rosebud Risk is Cameron Crow's Rosebud. 992 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I want to know the story behind that. 993 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 1: To prepare for the scene where only Preston has to 994 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 1: punch Tom Cruise. She trained with the boxer Ray Boom 995 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,279 Speaker 1: Boom Mancini, and then famously it was a hell of 996 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: a clock. I mean, Boom Boom is the guy who 997 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: killed a guy. The only reason I know that is 998 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 1: because there's the Warren Zevon song right about him, where 999 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: he apparently not a nice man because he says, uh so, 1000 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,399 Speaker 1: boom Boom Bencini was boxing a fifteen round match with 1001 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 1: a guy named Kim Dooku as a South Korean boxer, 1002 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,839 Speaker 1: and he died after the match, and warn Zevon wrote 1003 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: a song called Boom Boom Mancini that is about this 1004 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: match and apparently an apocryphal quote from Boom Boom Boom 1005 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: Boom Mancini. He said, someone should have stopped the fight. 1006 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: I mean, how long does a fifteen round fight? I mean, 1007 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: I guess it's different over time, but like, how long 1008 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: would that fight have been? That's saying like three, three, 1009 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: four minutes, so entirely too damn long to be getting 1010 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 1: hit in the head, Sorry to be getting hit in 1011 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: the head. God, dude, maybe just cut all that down 1012 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: to Kelly Preston trained with a boxer who killed a guy, 1013 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 1: but Warren Zevon wrote a song about him, which means 1014 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: that just keeps the rock and roll connections with Cam 1015 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: and Crow that would say, yeah, and I'm so glad 1016 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: by Hooker Buck Crook. We got that warren Zevon reference 1017 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 1: in there. And on the topic of Hook, this is 1018 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: my finest hour for Transitions. We mentioned Hook earlier on 1019 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this episode, and we also did 1020 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,319 Speaker 1: a full episode on it earlier on in this still 1021 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: very new series. The baseball field that Jerry and his 1022 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: family are walking by at the very end of Jerry 1023 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,439 Speaker 1: McGuire is the same baseball field used for the little 1024 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: league game at the beginning of Hook. I think we 1025 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: actually also referenced Hook in the Oceans eleven uh and 1026 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: now in Jerry McGuire. All Roads lead to Hook. That 1027 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: should really be we should strive for that in every 1028 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: episode of the show that we do. And if you 1029 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: want to tweet at us about this episode, please do 1030 00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: so using the hashtag all Roads lead to Hook. Well, Higel, 1031 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't say this enough, but you complete me and 1032 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 1: I think we've completed this episode. Is there anything that 1033 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 1: we're missing? You made me physically, Oh with that, you 1034 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: should have just panned. I don't know, we can't do 1035 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: this with podcast, but just panned to me getting up 1036 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,319 Speaker 1: and leaving with that unnamed kid in the middle of 1037 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,759 Speaker 1: recording this. I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan runt Talk. 1038 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Too Much Information was 1039 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. 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