1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Native Lame Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. Welcome Home to the Native. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: So what I want to talk about is this particular 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: podcast moment for my friends at Hire Learning, Van Laden 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: and Rachel. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 3: What's Rachel's last name, Lindsay, Lindsay, that's it. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: Rachel had this to say about our sister friend, Jasmine Crockett, 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: and I want to hear your responses. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: Let's play it. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 4: This is taking social media by storm y'all are. 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 5: Still so focused on me, bro, Like, I'm not running. 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: I'm not running. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 5: I'm not running. I'm not running, Okay, So like focus 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 5: on the people that are in the race. So if 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 5: you have this urge to be like, oh Jasmine, this Jasmin, 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 5: that maybe use that energy towards kimpact and this can 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 5: packs and that because last time I checked, no matter 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 5: how much I end up a part of the conversation, 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 5: there is one person that is guaranteed not to become 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 5: the next senator in the state of Texas, and that's 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 5: Jasmine Police of Crockett. 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 4: There are a number of people, particularly black women, that 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 4: are fiercely saying why should Jasmine Crockett support James Talerico. 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 4: She lost the primary. It's not her duty to support him. 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: Why are people making it a black woman's responsibility to 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: campaign for him. She doesn't have any right to do that, 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 4: and I am just shocked by it all. In March, 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 4: right after she lost, Jasmine Crockett said, with the primary 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 4: behind us, Democrats must rally around our nominees and win. 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: I'm committed to doing my part and will continue working 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 4: to elect Democrats up and down the ballot. To me, 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: it is just holding Jasmine Crockett to the very statement 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: that she said, which I think it was the right one. 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: The goal is to turn Texas blue. The goal is 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: to unify. These are her words. This is what she 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: said we should do. And then for Jasmin Crockett to 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: put up this video of like, why y'all talking about me? 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 4: Why are y'all making it about me? Well, it's not 39 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: necessarily that it's about unifying to come together, because for 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 4: the first time in thirty one years, it seems that 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: Texas could actually turn blue. I understand people being upset 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: that they voted for Jasmine Crockett and Jasmine Crockett did 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: not win. I understand them being upset that the narrative 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 4: was a black woman is not able to win in Texas, 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: and they felt like that was used against jasminc Crockett. 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 4: And maybe she doesn't go to the convention. Fine, but 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: when asked are you going to support him? Your words 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: are I have no idea. Jasmin Crockett ran on energizing 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 4: the base. I'm just noting that if I'm watching, you 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: support other Democrats who are running in races who are 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: not down ballid races. Governor of California is not a 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: down ballid race, and you were coming to California to 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: support Bisera. But in our own state, Texas, where you've 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: run on the local congress, you were in national Congress 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 4: representing a district. It should be about the bigger picture 56 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 4: at this point, and it should be about turning Texas blue, 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: and using her own words, it should be about unity. 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: Now, I want to go to our sister Reese, who 59 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: had a response to and I don't want to even 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: read your response, Reese, because we have you here. But 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: you had a response a this or reaction to what 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: Rachel said, and I and I do want to flag 63 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: for you. The thing that she said was she didn't 64 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: say that she has no idea. If she camp, she'll 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: camp change, she would campaign, yes, so she said she 66 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: it doesn't she doesn't say that she that she would 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: not support him. She didn't say that she's retracting an endorsement. 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: This is about whether or not she would campaign. But 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: on March third, on March third, she said she absolutely 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: would campaign for him, and she said, quote, the reality 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: is that it has to be bigger than any single individual. 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: This is about us winning. That is what it's about. 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: And when I say us winning, I mean us textan. 74 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: She said that in an interview with NTX and Now's 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: Ron Corning published on March third, and she gave and 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: Tallerico said had the same sentiment. 77 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: So just flagging. 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to say Angeloa flagging. Technically, 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: as a former opponent, you would be invited by the 80 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: campaign to campaign for it. So there are people who 81 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: made outreach that we didn't accept co campaigning. And then 82 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: there are names that you know and folks who reach 83 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: out that you welcome and you either campaign whither. They 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: do events, you know, outside of the campaign on your behalf, 85 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: but it's sanctioned. 86 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 3: Yes, Okay. 87 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: So on this particular matter in Texas with James Talerico 88 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: and Jasmine Crockett. Reci What did you have to say 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: in response to Rachel. 90 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 6: Well, you know, Rachel came in and this clip came 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 6: in days into discourse around the demand that Jasmine Crockett 92 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 6: campaign for James Tallerico, and with that demand, and I 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 6: had a conversation with Rachel, was a very lovely conversation 94 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 6: we had. I explained that the tenor of that discourse 95 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 6: around Jasmine was very disrespectful, it was very demeaning. And 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 6: so I think when you divorce the things that have 97 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 6: transpired over the past three months in terms of how 98 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 6: Jasmine has been treated as a result of the race, 99 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 6: and you hold her to something that unity meant would 100 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 6: have meant that people leaving her alone. Unity would have 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 6: meant people not continuing to religate it when she ran 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 6: a bad campaign and she sucks and she's this, that 103 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 6: and the other, next, y and Z and then turn around. 104 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 7: Help me, please help me get the blacks on my side. 105 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 6: That's not how it works. And to Andrew's point, one 106 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 6: of the things that I said in response to this 107 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 6: discourse is it's tylerico responsibility to bring Jasmine into the fold. 108 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 6: It's been three months. 109 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 110 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 6: She has a fire pack And people were very happy 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 6: to see the contrast to Owe the race. When talking 112 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 6: about down ballot racist Jasmine's candidate's won very contested races. 113 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 6: Christian Meneffie won. You had Colin Alred who beat Julie Johnson, 114 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 6: who was endorsed by James Talerico. And so people were 115 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 6: fine with this contrast in these proxy wars. But jazzmin 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 6: people was winning and the polls haven't swung all the 117 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 6: way in the way to Talerico that people were hoping. 118 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 6: And there's continued resistance from the black electorate to James Tallerico. 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 6: And so my position is, you guys ran a campaign. 120 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 6: They had totally different theories of the race. The theory 121 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 6: of James Tallerico's campaign won congratulations and it was celebrated. 122 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 6: It was celebrated all these op eds. James Tylerico's win 123 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 6: is a rebuke to identity politics. Identity politics is dead. 124 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 6: All of this discourse happened around c we need the 125 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 6: white and Latino voters. 126 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: See, let me ask you this, let me ask you this. 127 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: Do you think that James Tallerico is responsible for how 128 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: the media began to portray his race and what would 129 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: you have liked to see from the campaign in response 130 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: to what the media narrative was. I think some of 131 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: what's happening is there's a conflation of how racist white 132 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: mainstream media is talking about this and what should be 133 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: the responsibility of Tallarico in his campaign. I do think 134 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: he has some responsibility, but I don't know if it's 135 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: the media narrative. 136 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 6: Well, but I'm talking about the context in which how 137 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 6: Jasmine feels her experience post the race. So what's incumbent 138 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 6: upon James Talerico isn't what the media is saying. It's 139 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 6: the personal outreach that you have to make in order 140 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 6: to bring somebody who got a million votes. James Rico 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 6: got one point two million votes. It took double what 142 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 6: it took Beto and what it took Colin Alred to 143 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 6: win their nominations to beat Jasmine Crockett. And so there 144 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 6: should have been more attention heated to the power of 145 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 6: the coalition that she got, which was almost entirely black, 146 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 6: and the strength that she had in bringing her into 147 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 6: the fold. And I think because she is a black 148 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 6: woman that we are always expected to take it on 149 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 6: the chin we're always expected to be the bigger person. 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 6: But when we had this conversation about Hillary and Bernie, 151 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 6: I mean, we're still talking about twenty sixteen and how 152 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 6: Bernie was spurned and how Bernie needed to be courted 153 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 6: and all of these things. And so why is it 154 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 6: that when it's Jasmine, it's okay to denigrate her, It's 155 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 6: okay to shit on her candidacy and then turn around 156 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 6: to say, but help me, please, help me please. I 157 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 6: don't think that's okay. So that's my position on it. 158 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: Is Is it worse? Is it worth? Tarabie's my last 159 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: follow up? Is it worse. 160 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: Losing the Texas senenc Let's say that the only way 161 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: that they could beat Ken Paxton is if the coalition 162 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: that Jasmine built, the formidable coalition that she's built, is 163 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: combined with the one that he built. If that's the 164 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: only way to turn Texas blue. If that is the 165 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: ultimate objective, and I'm not saying it should be, but 166 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: what if that is. 167 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: The ultimate objective? 168 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: At what point does that coalition collide, come together, collaborate 169 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: to ensure a victory over what we know will be abysmal. 170 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 8: So I can I real quick? I want to follow 171 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 8: up because that was my question as well. 172 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 9: And Angela hit the nail on the head because right 173 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 9: now we have a binary choice, right, and that choice 174 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 9: is Kim Paxton or James Tallerica. And at the end 175 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 9: of the day, Kim Paxton is going to be worse 176 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 9: for Jasmine Crockett voters, black volte undoubted, indubitably, ain't no question, 177 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 9: right then, James Talerica, Now you can compare him to 178 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 9: whomever you want to compare him to. You know, he 179 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 9: can be Chris Murphy, or he can be Fetterman or 180 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 9: whatever you can call him. I forget Andrew's o best friend, 181 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 9: Chris Christen Cinema. Right, you can compare him to whomever 182 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 9: you want to compare him to, but they still better 183 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 9: than can past. 184 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: Would you be asking that question too? Who are you 185 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: posing that question? 186 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 8: Tocing? 187 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, not in this moment. But 188 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: if the question is if this is about flipping the 189 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: state blue, if this is about bringing you up Crockets 190 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: voters and Tallerico's voters us, whatever else you. 191 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 9: Could direct, the question would probably be to the eight 192 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 9: percent of voters who said, and I believe we have 193 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 9: that headline, so it's six percent of voters who said 194 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 9: that they were going to sit out in or vote 195 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 9: libertarian or something like that. That would be who My 196 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 9: direct conversation would would be with if we're going to 197 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 9: be completely honest, and then to a subtext when she 198 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 9: is ready, because you and I both know that after 199 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 9: you use, after you lose racist, you ain't necessarily ready 200 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 9: to get back out there right now. When she's ready, 201 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 9: I think the question would be to Jasmine, between now 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 9: and November, how do we get everybody back together? 203 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 8: What do you need? 204 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 9: That's probably the question, Jasmine, What do you need? What 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 9: has to be shown to you? What do you need 206 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 9: to get you back on the playing field so that 207 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 9: we can remedy this? 208 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: I think I would ask. I think I would ask 209 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: him in what ways have we and what do you 210 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: think is required to close whatever gap you think still 211 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: exists between getting the sarrogates on your campaign who you 212 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: want Jasmine included and them not right because the burden 213 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: I will tell you, I mean, the person who came 214 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: closest to on my primary left it, you know, after 215 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: not being selected as LG went and she campaigned for 216 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: down ballot races. I don't know if she mentioned my 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: name once or twice, you know, in between that time, 218 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: and that was okay. But the truth is is that 219 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: we're at a bad place right now. If this is 220 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: even a conversation, I had no time to been on 221 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: whether or not we could get such and such out. 222 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, we made our outreach, we knew we had 223 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: to charge ahead. But the responsibility for closing whatever that 224 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: gap was, the overture belonged to me. That's what magnanimity 225 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: in winning requires. 226 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 8: But who's the same He hasn't made those overtures. 227 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. I'm simply saying it hasn't if 228 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: I have you done and what is required? But it 229 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: also but to pose that to her assumes that she 230 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: has withheld and I don't know that to be the case. 231 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 8: Well, that's true, I don't know. We don't. 232 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 9: I don't have either one of those facts before me, 233 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 9: whether or not she's withholding or he hasn't made overtures. 234 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, what I am saying, though, 235 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 9: is that there and this is my I guess this 236 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 9: is my question that recid because Angela posed it and 237 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 9: I just wanted to follow up to kind of give 238 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 9: it a bumper, But like at a certain point, we 239 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 9: the cultural the cultural consternation that we may have about 240 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 9: the way that she's being treated right, and the political 241 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 9: consternation that we may have about the way that others 242 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 9: aren't necessarily treated the same way we are when we 243 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 9: run these historical races. Isn't there a point when there 244 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 9: is a greater good that we have to set this aside, 245 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 9: go win the battle and then figure out how to 246 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 9: win these wars along the way, or is it something 247 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 9: we have to sort out right now while the iron 248 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 9: is perverbably hot. 249 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 6: Well, I think this is what happens every election cycle 250 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 6: is it's black people don't say that, don't do that, 251 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 6: don't talk about it, and we're the only group that 252 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 6: does that. Everybody else hashes all this stuff out. Mag's 253 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 6: over there duking it out. Paxton and Quarnn was ugly, 254 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 6: Paxton Quarann and Hunt was ugly, and everybody dukes it 255 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 6: out and every other demographic and then when it comes 256 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 6: to us, it's like no, no. The reality is, if 257 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 6: this race comes down to Jasmine Crockett not doing cartwheels 258 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 6: for James Tallerico, he didn't stand a chance anyway. Every 259 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 6: single time these races come around, this is the time 260 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 6: to do. I remember when Beto was a great white hole, 261 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 6: but I like Beto. I had a Bete shirt myself 262 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 6: that was in when you were campaign in Gilam and 263 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 6: it was you and it was Stacey Abrams and it 264 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 6: was Beto, and I had a Gillim shirt. 265 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 7: I had an Abram shirt and I had a Bete shirt. 266 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 6: But jealous, Oh yeah, I was in Maryland. 267 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 7: So but you know those were the big cancers. Look, 268 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 7: I'm just saying, but he did the work. 269 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 6: My point is that Number one, I'm not going to 270 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 6: buy into the framing that it is the responsibility of 271 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 6: Jasmine Crockett or on black voters to make up for 272 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 6: Talerico's deficiency. The same way that when Jasmine lost, my 273 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 6: comment was flooded were people who said she didn't do 274 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 6: enough for the white Latino vote. She should have done this, 275 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 6: she should have done that. 276 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 7: He earned the vote. 277 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 6: Everybody said, how tallerco earned the votes of white and 278 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 6: Latino voters, And you know she didn't do that, and 279 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 6: so why can't we say earn their votes. I don't 280 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 6: think that the onus is on Jasmine. If the owners 281 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 6: was gonna be on Jasmine, then she should have been 282 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 6: the candidate, but she's not, and so the onus is 283 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 6: on the actual. 284 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: Candidate to do what he has to do and as 285 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: to do him if he but if he can't do 286 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: it without her, and we're because I think that the 287 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: bottom line is I absolutely agree with that. I absolutely 288 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: agree with the idea that it is not Jasmine's responsibility. 289 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: But I do believe there's a difference in this instance 290 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: between duty and responsibility. If everyone is saying objective, clear objective, 291 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: keep Paxton out, even if she's not, like get tall 292 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Rico in the video that we played from Rachel earlier 293 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: that played a video of Jasmine has her saying get 294 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: like no Paxton. So if it's no Paxton, go campaign 295 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: on that. But you know that you have influence. You 296 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: know that she's already endorsed Tallarico. She knows her influence. 297 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: He can't do it without her. I don't know what 298 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: type of agreement needs to be made with Firepack and 299 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: Jasmine and well, I don't know what has to happen, 300 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: because you know, there's laws preventing some of that coordination. 301 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: But I'm saying, ultimately, if the objective is still the 302 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: objective whether Jasmine was the candidate or not. I think 303 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: we always it would have been Jasmine. Then what is 304 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: the duty to ensure that Paxton doesn't win? 305 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: Right? 306 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: Like, that's the part that I think we have to 307 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: wrestle with. I have my personal feelings too, like she 308 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: ought to nothing. But at the same time, what does 309 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: she owe Texans? What does he owe Texans? What do 310 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: people who say they want a different party in power 311 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,479 Speaker 2: owe Texans? 312 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: That's the question. 313 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 6: I think those are three different answers in it. It's 314 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 6: not hard for me to wrestle with at all. I 315 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 6: don't think she owes anybody anything. I don't think she 316 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 6: has a duty to do anything. When you lose, your 317 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: duty is absolved. 318 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 7: Well believe that you. 319 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: Don't think, Well, well, we can have our opinions. But 320 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: I think Jasmine has, through her work since that election, 321 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: has demonstrated that she feels a compelling desire wish to 322 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: continue to stay in this thing for the long haul, 323 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: for the right reasons. I'll just say this again. The 324 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: fact that this conversation is still being had at this 325 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: date is a total fail. And I ain't laying blame 326 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: on whomever, but at this stage this is lock sync 327 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: and in order, we are marching down the same pathway 328 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: at this point. The only other thing is is with 329 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: that six percent of people who are saying they're willing 330 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: to vote for a catfish over Tallarico or whatever it is, 331 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: still let's put into context of every single demographic group 332 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 1: out there, it is the only group where the other 333 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: ninety four percent are lockstep behind Tall Rico. Even in 334 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: the poll that we put up a few moments ago, 335 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: he has no commanding support with any demographic group step 336 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: for African Americans. Have a look, I'm telling you, not 337 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: even not white women, certainly not white men. Not not 338 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: commanding lead over Latinos. 339 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 7: What about Republicans? 340 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 8: Did he make Republicans? 341 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: No, no, no, and no. But where he has a commanding, 342 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: commanding level of support in demographics race demographics is amongst 343 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: black voters. So that six can go on vacation if 344 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: they want. From now until next year, our community is 345 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: still for those who are planning to vote to be 346 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: out there, they are voting for him. And what his 347 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: folks how to figure out quick fastened in a hurry 348 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: yesterday last year, is what needs to happen to get 349 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: everybody's back shoulder spine whatever into this thing so that 350 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: you feel like you left it all. 351 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 6: But can I just ask one question, what what what 352 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 6: precedent is there for a Senate primary loser. I'm not 353 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 6: talking about president, I'm talking about a Senate primary loser. 354 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 6: We can even say governor. What precedent is it for 355 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 6: that person to be demanded? 356 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: I'm not just saying, oh, it will be not if 357 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: people were saying, oh, would be really nice that Jazmin 358 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: got out there, Oh, wild 't that'd be so nice, 359 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: that's a different conversation versus if you don't get out there, 360 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: if you don't set your ego aside, if you don't 361 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 2: da da da da da da da, then it's going 362 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: to be your fault that Passting is elected. 363 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 7: Huh, that's not the candidate. 364 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: I'm asking what precedent prior to Jasmine Crockett existed where 365 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 6: the expectation is for a Senate primary loser to co 366 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 6: campaign to do enthusiastically campaigned with the way. 367 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk about this precedent because we're in unprecedented times. 368 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Who cares about truth in the last more than senate. 369 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: Unprecedented times means that we have to move like everything 370 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: is unprecedented. I remember a time where Beto wasn't gonna 371 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: win unless Beyonce endorsed Beto. 372 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: That's also unprecedented. But now, in particular with. 373 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: This race, given Jasmine's not not just influence in Texas 374 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: but her national, arguably international influence, there is an extreme 375 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: need for her, especially if the objective is to beat 376 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: Ken Paxton. So I don't know that it's about, Oh, 377 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: this is how normally any Texas centate race would work, 378 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 2: or any congressional race or whatever. I remember we were 379 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: trying to in twenty eighteen. We were trying to get 380 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: Gwyn Graham to make sure she enthusiastically supported Andrew enthusiastically 381 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 2: campaign with him. So it does happen, and it depends 382 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: on the weight and strength of the candidate. The fact 383 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: that Jasmine didn't get Molly wat by this dude, and 384 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: it was a two hundred thousand vote gap, I think 385 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: it tells you everything you need to know in order 386 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: to beat Canon. She is needed, her influences needed, her 387 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: enthusiastic support is needed. I am not somebody that's like 388 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: vote blue no matter who, but I would much rather 389 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: have a especially if I was in Texas, I would 390 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: want to know that what Jasmine champions is going to 391 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: be a part of what he commits to doing, and 392 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 2: that might not happen outside of her enthusiastic support. 393 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 9: Let me also say, can I say this real quick 394 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 9: andrew yarm mute, mute, But I wanted to say. 395 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: One thing he could do is put money on it. 396 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: Put her in an ad, have her direct to camera 397 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: to the exact voters that he is unless they have 398 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: made the calculation that they need her and hooks and 399 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: knooks and crannies, and not as part of a broadcast 400 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: message to all Texans. Again, campaigns make those decisions all 401 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: the time, and they don't communicate them out to people like, look, 402 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: you ain't what really what I'm trying to have going 403 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: into households that look this way, I prefer you here. 404 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 6: So there's anything impressive about another white man being the 405 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 6: synic candidate. They've been doing that and they've been losing 406 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 6: for thirty years. But yes, things are much more dire, 407 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 6: They're much more dire. But I just think it's always 408 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 6: the same script. It's always let's go what it takes 409 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 6: the white man to be the white man, and then 410 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 6: we can backdoor the black woman's talent or the black 411 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 6: man's talent, because black men lose to white men all 412 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 6: the time too, and that's how we get what we 413 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 6: need from getting black. 414 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 8: But this is can I go back to real quick 415 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 8: one thing that Unane Andrew says something that. 416 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: It just for me. 417 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 8: It just wasn't white. It wasn't quite accurate. 418 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 9: Because although we are voting in a way where black 419 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 9: voters are still showing up right and voting in a 420 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 9: percentage that's extremely high for James Tallerica. 421 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 8: I think it's ninety four. 422 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 9: Whatever the percentage is, that's ninety four percent of one hundred, right, 423 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 9: But we all know that if Taalerico is going to 424 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 9: get over the hump, we need to expand that black 425 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 9: voter base from one hundred to one point fifty. 426 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 8: Right. This isn't a conversation of. 427 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: That Tallerco's math, thank you. That's not mass actively not 428 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: only what he didn't run on, but where he is 429 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: putting his money. If you want to know where we 430 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: consider as you all, I ain't teaching you nothing that 431 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: you put. 432 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 9: Your money because one of the you know, Barack Obama 433 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 9: na race. In one of the ways Barack Obama wan 434 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 9: was he took the black voting pool of spanding voting pool, 435 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 9: white college educated voting pool, and he expand that base. 436 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: And so what I'm saying, way. 437 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 6: Trump won and that was what Jasmine says she would do, 438 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 6: and she lost, and and Tallerico said he would do 439 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 6: the opposite. 440 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: Would just change was different for both of them exactly. 441 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is is he really believed his 442 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: and and his belief you follow the money there. If 443 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: the money was on I need to juice black voters 444 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: and then just get my bare share of Latino and 445 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: white voters, he would move, The money would move differently. 446 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to say he would move differently. The 447 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: money would move differently. So you want to know how 448 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: much they value her as a surrogate, how much paid 449 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: advertising with her face, her voice, her likeness is being 450 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: used to close this gap. 451 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: That's good. I think that that's a great solve for this. 452 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: And I think that it's really important for us to 453 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: understand this piece part of what we are exposing. 454 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: And I think what's being really discussed online in. 455 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: This space is the real the heart of the issues 456 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: with the Democratic Party right now. For every person that 457 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: wants black people to move, but didn't say shit about 458 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: redistricting mid decade, redistricting for all of them, for the 459 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: candidates that chose to run in black districts, w Wasserman, Schultz, 460 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: for all of you, like all of that is a 461 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: part of the problem with the Democratic Party right now. 462 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: These issues have to be exposed so that they can 463 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: be fixed. But yes, there is this expectation that Jasmine 464 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: goes and solves for the gap because there's not been 465 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: significant investment. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I just don't 466 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: want it to ever be that she seemed petty because 467 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 2: of the things that she said. Knowing that there are 468 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: these back end issues. Expose the back end issues, then 469 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: don't just say, well, I'm. 470 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: Not going to do it. 471 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: Well, this was an afterthout call when it turned out 472 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: that they did actually call prior say I would love 473 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: to do this, but my challenges are there were racist 474 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: attacks against me, there were sexist attacks against me. There 475 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: were criticisms about how I deliver messages that are key 476 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: and important to my community. In order for me to 477 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: fill to give a full throated endorsement and be arm 478 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: in arm with this man, these are my criteria and 479 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: those are conversations that could be happening, but I at 480 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: least want her to shed some light on that, so 481 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: she's not on the receiving end of these attacks. 482 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: I think she. I think that conversation you mentioning Angela 483 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: is before the endorsement. She's endorsed. We're past that point 484 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: where where where I think we. 485 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: Are an engagement now, as you know, the conversation is 486 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: on whether or not to engage. 487 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that A response to are you 488 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: going to campaign for him? Well, I just don't know 489 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: likely to me could translate and actually it does translate 490 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: to me as his people ain't got with my people 491 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: and they mentioned no dates, Well, we don't have no 492 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: dates on the calendar, and I've not been told where when, 493 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: how to do what. 494 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: But there are people that she speaks to who don't 495 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: understand that code. And that's why how jazz is cut through. 496 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: So just say that she's all She's not say what 497 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: it is, and I think I think all of us 498 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: would say, we know that the Democratic Party under invest 499 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: in black. 500 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 501 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 9: The second part of what I was going to say, 502 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 9: when I was saying pushing back and Andrew a little bit, 503 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 9: was expanding black voters. And Andrew said, that's not his math. 504 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 9: I don't know Tellery Goes, I don't know his calculation 505 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 9: that well to to refute that. But the other part 506 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 9: is with these fractures and the way they exist. If 507 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 9: I was Ken Paxton, what I believe if he's going 508 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 9: to do right now is beginning to drop Facebook ads, messages, 509 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 9: radio ads, attack ads, writing these black. 510 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: Communities, Russia, Russia's got that. 511 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 8: Russia whoever you know, it'll it. Don't take a whole lot, 512 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 8: and you can just start. You can really just target 513 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 8: black men and say, James K. 514 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: Packson don't have to do none of that. 515 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 9: But I'm just saying with the race, because you take 516 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 9: care with these fractures that are that are inherent. I'm 517 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 9: not blaming anybody for the fractures, but what I am 518 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 9: saying is what happens next. Right Republicans it' smart enough, 519 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 9: they gon'n juice them. They gonna juice these fractures. And 520 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 9: that ninety six or ninety four percent of black vote 521 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 9: sometimes sometimes on election days, all of a sudden is 522 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 9: ninety two is ninety and then you get beat by 523 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 9: you know what, what was a close race? You lose 524 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 9: Ano one hundred and fifty thousand. 525 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: Or it's still ninety six with a seventy percent turnout. 526 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 8: Correct, Yep, that's what we all the candidates. 527 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: Which again, when if your math, your your your your 528 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: theory of the case is this, And like I said, 529 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: I believe he believes it because it appears to be 530 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: what they are prosecuting right now. Is that theory. It 531 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: just has to reflect. You cannot give me words. And 532 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't even care about her feelings and what has 533 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: been solved behind the scene, because all I need to know, 534 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: and I know it not by your words, but where 535 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: the money shows up and how it showed up. That's right, 536 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: that's it, y'all. I think we spent a good deal 537 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: of time giving free advice again to Texas. 538 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 9: Do this is how James gonna win. James needs to 539 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 9: go sit down with Recy on her show. And I 540 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 9: don't have Our students ain't tall enough for James to 541 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 9: come on this show. It's gonna be off speak right enough, speak, 542 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 9: gonna be dangling. Go talk to Recent, James, go talk 543 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 9: to Recent on her. 544 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: Showy I love I thank you so much for doing this. 545 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: I think it's so important in these conversations to show nuance, 546 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: and sometimes when you post something on social you don't 547 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: get the full breadth of the conversation. We like ran 548 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: the spectrum on this, and I think it's so important 549 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: because it's not just a black and white All of 550 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: this is gray matter. 551 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: So thank you for being with us? 552 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 6: Is Yeah, can I just say one more thing because 553 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 6: I just I feel like what's missing from how people 554 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 6: are not picking up on the resistance to tallerco is 555 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 6: that a lot of black voters And this is throughout 556 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 6: the country, but a sentiment that's common in Texas more 557 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 6: than it should be if you want to run a 558 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 6: race with black voters, is that black voters are tired 559 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 6: of being the footstools of the Democratic Party. We saw 560 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 6: even in the presidential race where it was like, well, 561 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 6: Coma can't say black because she's trying to get the 562 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 6: suburban moms. And black people want to be courted. We 563 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 6: deserve to be courted. We deserve to have an investment 564 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 6: in our communities in terms of with the voter outreach, 565 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 6: in terms of your time and who you're hiring and 566 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 6: how they are prioritizing investments and so when you have 567 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 6: a campaign and to your point, Angela. Perhaps wasn't his 568 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 6: explicit words, but it was certainly all of the narratives 569 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 6: surrounding Tallarico, which was not rejected was that he was 570 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 6: the one that was going to flip Republican voters, that 571 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 6: he was going to get the white and Latino voters. 572 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 6: That was the theory of the race, and so that 573 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 6: alienated a. 574 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 7: Lot of black people. 575 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 6: It's his responsibility were in June. Clearly, not enough has 576 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 6: been done for the past three months. Clearly there's some 577 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 6: work to do with Jasmine, but it's his responsibility. And 578 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 6: so that's why I fiercely pushed back on this, not 579 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 6: just for Jasmine's sake, but for every black woman candidate 580 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 6: that people think they're going to backdoor black women and 581 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 6: black men's talent to do the heavy lifting of getting 582 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 6: the blacks. And then we'll let the marquee person, the 583 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 6: person who's gonna go and vote on the bills, and 584 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 6: the person's gonna sit on the committees, and it's gonna 585 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 6: have the detail. Will let them talk. 586 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 7: To the whites and the Latinos, and y'all are over 587 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 7: here in the back of. 588 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: The busy talking with the owners. Right you're hitting us 589 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: on the leg and yeah weekend, and I'm like, no, no, no, 590 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: no no, I want to be in the speech. I 591 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: want to be I want to be name checked. I 592 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: don't mean me, I'm talking about us. I want us 593 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: name checked. And that's. 594 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 6: That's how college works, right right, And I think that 595 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 6: is what is missing, and until people figure that out, 596 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 6: it's not going to resonate. Passing is bad, yeah, but 597 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 6: you gotta understand how people are feeling disaffected, disillusion and disrespected. 598 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 6: And when you can't solve for those issues and you 599 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 6: just dismissed and you just say, well you the bad blacks, 600 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 6: and well, I guess you just want passing, then you're 601 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 6: not going to get anywhere. And I feel like Jasmine 602 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 6: is kind of showing that that just talking about about 603 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 6: her is not going to get her on board. So 604 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 6: tallar Rico, I gave you free advice to. 605 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 7: On Clay's show. 606 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 6: Get get on the phone, get on the line, show up, 607 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 6: figure something out, and if you do, you could have 608 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 6: the strongest out. 609 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 7: Lie in the back of the month. You're on one 610 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 7: your side because that's what you. 611 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 6: Mean, even though that's not your math, y'all a little worried, 612 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 6: that's what you actually. 613 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Need y'all, we didn't roll this bull to get out. 614 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: We need to have another conversation about this rec I 615 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: hope that you'll come on just a broader conversation around 616 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: what it means to be the footstool of the party 617 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: and how that shifts, because I think it's so important. 618 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: It is. 619 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: The fractures that you all are talking about are now 620 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: cracks that may not be reperenced if they don't hurt. Yeah, 621 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: if we don't hurry up. 622 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: And so I love this. This is this is good. 623 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: This is the kind of black conversation. 624 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: Guys. 625 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 8: Love to see your best hair on the show. 626 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: Okay, we can't see his hair because he's got aol 627 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: dial up, So glorry right. 628 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Now, pixelated. 629 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 3: We should take your fitter and post it as the 630 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 3: catch cover. 631 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: On the next round. All right, you know next week Wednesday? 632 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: Do you know anyway. 633 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: I will show you are always welcome, Welcome home home. 634 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: All right, y'all, Angela, that was I didn't expect all 635 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: the places we might travel there, but I really appreciated 636 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: you hanging in there with us on that so that 637 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: there could be a how do you say there's a 638 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: consultancy speak right behind the scenes speak and then there's like, Okay, 639 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: draw this thing out so that I, as the person 640 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: who's driving a car listening to y'all, like I can 641 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: put myself in place here. I can put myself in 642 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: place in this conversation. And I do think that this. 643 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: You know, Jasmine, I love her. She is a grand 644 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: figure and and and Texas and and and all of 645 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: our lives. And she was the fiercest of of of 646 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: standard bearers for us at a very dark time in 647 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: the country, and her future is still incredibly bright. But 648 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: I actually think that where we ended on this is 649 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: the right place, which was not on the personality of Jazzmin, 650 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: but how it is is she just a window into 651 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: how we the party this campaign may be thinking about 652 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: how you treat black voters. Yeah, and you don't command 653 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: demand or even just set us in corners and in 654 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: rooms to do the da da da. We want to 655 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: be part of the main course. 656 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: Well, and to this point, Andrew, the thing that I 657 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 2: think is so important. People were surprised when Jasmine came in. 658 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 2: She would be on Twitter and she'd be like, Okay, y'all, 659 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: let me tell you what happened in the House Representatives. 660 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:42,959 Speaker 1: This week. 661 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: Her approach to democratizing access to politics, to backroom politics, 662 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 2: to how consultants work, to strategy was the thing that 663 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: people began to trust. And so what I'm saying to 664 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: also to my dear sis, is this part about you know, well, 665 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: kim passion. 666 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: It was circular in a way that they're not used 667 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: to hearing her speak. 668 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: So because of who she is and how she's communicated, 669 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: tell them what's really going on. Brother, ain't called me. 670 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: She did say that on one thing. She was like, 671 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 2: I think it was an afterthought. Well, without the judgment, 672 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 2: say factually, what happen. I've not talked to him since 673 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: election day. I want this to happen. I'm happy to 674 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: support James Tallerico, but here are my demands. She has 675 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 2: been so clear and transparent to your point about what 676 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: she required to do her job. To see her be 677 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: cagy in any way is making some people be like, well, 678 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 2: wait a minute, what's going on? And so I think 679 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: that my advice would just be for her to remain 680 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: the clear, commanding presence that she's been. Texas is clear 681 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: about the need for Jasmine. The nation is clear about 682 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: the need for Jasmine. That's why anytime anybody can have 683 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: her on a show. They're doing it. They know that 684 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: that means it's going to go viral. They means they 685 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: know that she cuts through. So if you got a machete, 686 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 2: man use it. 687 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're so one point. And you know what, 688 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: I really do hope that she hears this part of 689 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: it as well, because that authenticity, that transparency, that pulling 690 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: back the veil is part her calling card. And when 691 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: we don't get access to it, we then wonder what's 692 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: going on. And that's when gossip and a lure and 693 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff starts to get out in front of 694 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: you and away from you, but we which it says 695 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: to me, behind you always. Native lamppod is a production 696 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio and partnership with Reason Choice Media. For 697 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 698 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows