1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: Was up, everybody, it's moved the sticks. I'm Bucky brook 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: from here with Lancy and we are recapping all the 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: events that are taking place at the NFL Scouting Combine 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: on Friday. We had an opportunity to look at the 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: best athletes on the field that the cast Elicie, as 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: I like to call him, the defensive back, put on 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: a show. They came and showed up and showed out, 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: and then the tide End also made an appearance and 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: kind of put their talent on display. Lancy, just give 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 2: me your thoughts on what you saw on Friday night. 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Well, we saw some. I thought it was interesting because 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: there was a difference sometimes between speed and field work. 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I thought Terry and Arnold, you know, honestly, I thought, 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: I'll tape. He was about a four to four eight guy. 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: He ran a four or five ozho and in this 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: day and age, it seems like with DB's you ran 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: a four to five oh, people are ready to just 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: throw you in the garbage bend. But but that's really 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: not the case. I Mean, this guy plays extremely fast. 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: He's he's a very sticky cover guy. And when you 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: look at the rest of his testing and you look 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: at his field testing, bust Bucky. That's why you could 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: say a four or five Oh okay, well he jumped 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: thirty seven, he had a ten to nine broad jump, 26 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: and then his work in the field with the way 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: that he changed the direction. And I don't know, I 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I think dB field work 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: is some of the most some of the most uh 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for expressive of what I'm 31 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: looking for in a prospect. I get to see hips, 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: I get to see change the direction quickness. I got 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: to see those guys that can plant and go you know, 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: where the feet hit and it it's back the other way. 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: And Terry and Arnold had all that. So the four 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: or five OHO to me doesn't really matter as much 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: with a guy like Terry and Arnold because the rest 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: of the work was was so good. So sometimes you 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: have to balance, you know. Similarly, I saw guys run 40 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: really fast and I don't think can really play, so 41 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: you've got to balance the whole package. But there was 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: some really impressive testers out there, and there's some guys 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: jumping long. We're seeing some broad jumps. Tyler Owens hit 44 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: a twelve twelve in broad jump that's one inch off 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: the off of Byron Jones's combine record, which everyone likes 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: to proclaim is the world record, since I don't know 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: how often you do broad jumps around the world, but 48 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins running a four two nine, Man, there were 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: some guys every year, Bucky, there's guys that just really 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: really pop with individual stuff and you just think, Man, 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: the league is so athletic right now, so unbelievably athletic. 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the league is an athletic and Lance, you are right. 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: I do believe that the defensive bag drills that are 54 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: done in Indianapolis are the ones that correlate the most 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: of how gays perform, meaning to break and drive, to 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: turn in transitionent turns and transitions, being able to watch 57 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: how people kind of get in and out of their breaks. 58 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: All of that stuff matters because when you're playing on 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: the island, those are the things that you have to 60 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: be able to execute, to be able to do it 61 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: and split set, split second fashion while also having the 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: balance to buy the control and doing that and Arnold 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: you talk about like people are at four or five. Oh, 64 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: but for me cut back, I think four or five 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: oh is plenty fast months because you got to remember 66 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: the guys who like and I'm not saying it's this 67 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: relative guys who are slower but are technically sound actually 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: played better because they understand how to cut off people 69 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: at different angles. They understand how to play top down covers, 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: they keep things in front, They really understand their limitation. 71 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: And a guy like Arnold, his fundamentals will mask whatever 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: physical deficiencies he may have if he's facing a superior 73 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: athlete on the other side. Knowing how Alabama has consistently 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: turned out DBS. I'm good with Terry and Arnold. He's 75 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: exactly what I thought it would be when I watched him. 76 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: I love the humility that it displayed when he talked 77 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: to Stacey Dale's afterwards. To me, he CB one and 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: I'm very very confident that he's going to be an 79 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: outstanding player at the next level. 80 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that. I thought that was really impactful. 81 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: And if he's doing that with Stacy Dale and it 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: feels real, It felt authentic, It didn't feel like a 83 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: put off for the camera. You can just imagine Bucky. 84 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: If we're seeing that, you can imagine what the teams 85 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: are seeing, and those interviews with teams that we have 86 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: no access to in terms of publicly, but you'll talk 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: to guys, Bucky, and I'll talk to guys. Those interview 88 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: with teams are huge. They're huge because they're figuring out 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: who you are as a person, who you are as 90 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: a competitor. And I think when he's his authentic self, 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: which we saw yesterday, that's going to be impressive to 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: a team. That's a guy who you know, screams football 93 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: character and personal characters. So I don't know them. I mean, 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: we can all make judgments positive and negative about a 95 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: guy based on little snippets off TV, But I'm telling you, 96 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: from what I did see, he looks like the kind 97 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: of guy you want in the locker room. 98 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: He absolutely looked like the kind of guy that you 99 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 2: want in the locker room. And at a time where 100 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: it is really a parent people talk about culture, chemistry, connectivity, 101 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: all that stuff is the most important part of it 102 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: and a big part of what you're trying to assess 103 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: when you're in Indianapolis. How would this guy fit into 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: my locker room? I am confident that Marian Arnold can 105 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: fit into any locker room because he's wired the right way. 106 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: He has the right stuff, and it's been really well 107 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 2: schooled during this time at Alabama. But let's talk about 108 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: you guy that really kind of set the world on 109 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: fire with his forty time, and that's Nate Wiggins from Clemson. 110 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: Anytime you see people run in the four two s, 111 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: it's eye catching, right for nine forty thirty six inch vertical. 112 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: You saw all of those things that you want to 113 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: see when it came to the straight line speed. The 114 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: issue that I will have and I am a fan 115 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: of him. He's one hundred and seventy three pounds. One 116 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three pounds is super light when you 117 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: think about it. He's asking all that other stuff, but 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: now it speaks to why some of the physicality and 119 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: stuff doesn't throw up on tape. He is light, and 120 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: I just read this online. If he is so. There 121 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: have been sixteen defensive back since two thousand and three 122 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: to weigh one hundred and seventy five pounds or less 123 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: at the combine entering this year. Only one has been 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: drafted before the third round. That would be a manual. 125 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: So he has a lot of things working against him. 126 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: Because everyone to talk about the speed and all of that, 127 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: but man, when you hundred seventy five, you can be 128 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: a liability in the running game. 129 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: And he is bucky. He is like, he's not a 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: tough run defender, and you know, why do you want? 131 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I want him to 132 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: be I mean, I want him to be competitive. I 133 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: don't want him to be stupid with how he tackles 134 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: because I need him in the game. And uh, it's 135 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: a it's a problem. I'm looking through the list right now. 136 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: DJ James one seventy five, and this dude can cover. 137 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: He is a good football player. Uh, Carlton Johnson, Fresno State, 138 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: one seventy three. I haven't seen. Let me see Abrams Drain. Yeah, 139 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: there he is, one seventy nine and he's a really 140 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: talented cover guy too. It's it was an unusual I 141 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: knew this going in, and sure enough it's the case 142 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: as well. Starting last year, we got Elijah Cansey, very 143 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: small defensive tackle. I love him, and he's disrupted, but 144 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: very small. He's an outlier, Bryce Young, outlier quarterback Emanuel Forbes. 145 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: This dude is thirty pounds lighter than Bryce Young, who's tiny, 146 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: and he gets drafted in the first round, and I 147 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: guess he didn't have a great year this year. I 148 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I was talking to somebody on the staff 149 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: who watched more pro football than I did. But we're 150 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: really being tested in the league right now, Bucky. These 151 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: teams are having to figure out. Okay, Tank Dall's one 152 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: to sixty three, but man, he can really go. Xavier 153 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: worthies whatever he's going to weigh in it, and I'm 154 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: sure in the one sixties, but man, he can go. 155 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: How are they going to balance this new outlier size, 156 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: which is low end size than what we've seen historically 157 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: with what works, Bucky? It just teams look at the history. 158 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: You just cited something. You look at the history, and 159 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: if the history doesn't match, teams have a hard time 160 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: getting past the history of failure with certain outliers weights 161 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: and sizes and links. 162 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about tang deal. Like Tangdale was 163 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 2: the with the rage of the league. He's the buzz 164 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: everyone was excited about him. How did he finish the season? 165 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, he finished on ir So for the 166 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: nay sage practice, the guys who don't like the DVA 167 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: away from the prototypes. They'll be like, yeah, hey, that's great. 168 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: He gave us that for like seven or eight games, 169 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: but he couldn't finish the year. The do ability. They'll 170 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: also look at like Bryce Young and how Bryce Young 171 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: appeared to be beat up by the end of the season. 172 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: Those things look. I'm comfortable that there are a lot 173 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: of people in the league, whether it's the Chris Ballads 174 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: or the Elliott Wills or the guys that come from 175 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,359 Speaker 2: the Green Bittries, who tend to not deviate from the prototypes. 176 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: There are a lot of guys that would acknowledge, hey, man, 177 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: he's a really good player. He's just not a good 178 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: He's not a player for us. We just kind of 179 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: tend to stick to the odds. And the odds suggests 180 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: that somebody at us, he's gonna have some issues when 181 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: they get into the National Football League. 182 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they always say, look, it's an exception, right, 183 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: You have exceptions that you'll make if you're elite in others. 184 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: And you can make that argument for Nate Wiggins, but 185 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: the old saying, Bucky, and you know it, once you 186 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: make too many exceptions, you got a team full of exceptions. 187 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: You're on the way out because a team full of exceptions, 188 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: they end up being a team that cannot hold up physically, 189 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: a team that doesn't hold up speed wise, a team 190 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: that doesn't hold up size wise. And so while while 191 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: a team may make an exception here or there for 192 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: a player, it's rarely in the first round. Rarely are 193 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: you going to make an exception in the first round. 194 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: And when you do, we saw two of them. Bryce 195 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: shung Hat won over c J. Stroud, which you know, 196 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: people are trying to rewrite history. That was the common 197 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of people who said c J. 198 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: Stroud over Bryce. That was not I know, everyone wants 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: to like the rewriting is crazy now, Bucky. 200 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: It's funny how that is now, Like now all of 201 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: a sudden, we get all these these CJ. Stroud fans 202 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: that are like, oh yeah, yeah, we knew. Really like 203 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 2: we were talking and celebrating about Bruce Young as if 204 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: he was a generational talent and stuff like that. That's 205 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: that's another conversation. But you are right, people trying to 206 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: rewrite history. So the one thing when you try and 207 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: take a flyer on those outliers, Look, man, you put yourself. 208 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: You put yourself squarely in the cross. Here, give me 209 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: somebody else who stood up to you. Oh, let's talk 210 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: about when mentioned stepping up and showing out. And I'm 211 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: so silly, right because I did go with Tyler Owens 212 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 2: as like the fastest man. I'm like, oh whatver we 213 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: knew Quinya. Mitchell would go trying to get another name in. 214 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: But he was as advertised when you think about what 215 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: he did four to three to three forty times, smooth 216 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: and fluid and drills. We knew he was gonna do 217 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: that after watching him at the Senior Bowl. Six foot 218 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five pounds. I can play, off, 219 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: can play press, has all the other stuff. So now 220 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 2: as we go down the line, right, we go down 221 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: the list of things that you need to do to 222 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,119 Speaker 2: be a high end prospect. Game tight needs to be exceptional, 223 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: Jack all star performance needs to be one where you 224 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: can see him be a dog or a dominate competitor. 225 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 2: Jack combine, workout fast enough, explosing to us looks like 226 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: he's a polished player. And Drew check and Quinn and 227 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: Mitchell is making a case to challenge Terran, even though 228 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: Tarryon onal is my guy, Quinn, and Mitchell is certainly 229 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: making Hay to challenge him. 230 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: He's six foot in an eight. He's one ninety five. Okay, 231 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: that's a NFL size. The link that is not great. 232 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: It's thirty one inches. It's okay. Thirty one is not 233 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: going to kill him. You'd love to have thirty two plus. 234 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: But the measurables check out. The attitude and physicality checks out, Bucky, 235 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: you talked about tape an All Star game checks out, 236 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: and then you have speed yep, explosion yep. I think 237 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: he schemed. I had questions about whether or not he 238 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: could he could continue to to, you know, run with press, 239 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: and how he would play from press. He answered all 240 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: those as senior ball. I don't see a lot of 241 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: weaknesses here, Like, honestly, it's hard for me to find. 242 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta go back to my notes and 243 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: see what I don't like about him. But I remember 244 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: watching him and I didn't give him as high a 245 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: grade because I watch from so early. I'm like, dang, 246 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: this guy is good, but I don't want to jump 247 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: out with a high grade. I'm watching him in November, 248 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: so I'm like, I don't really have him stacked like, 249 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: my mind's not calibrated to exactly where my grades need 250 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: to be. So I had a sixty two on him, 251 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: which is an average starter, but I already in my heart, 252 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy's way better than that. But I'm 253 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: just gonna sit conservatively and I'll adjust as I see him. Man, 254 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: the longer and longer time has gone on, I really 255 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: do think Terry and Arnold and Quinna Mitchell is I 256 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a scrap for number one. I 257 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,359 Speaker 1: really do. And those two guys are kind of separating 258 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: because Nate is fast, but he's small and he didn't 259 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: even finish his workouts, so you know he's slender, didn't 260 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: his workout, So. 261 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: Think about that. Man, we love him. I guess what, 262 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: he finished the workout on the sideline. That's what the 263 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: concern is going to be. Man, he's a great athlete, 264 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: but how many times are we going to see him play? 265 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: And it's one thing to talk about a Denzel Award 266 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: who is light, but he ain't that light, you know 267 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: what I mean? So it's a different thing. Typically, Man, 268 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: you go, bigger is better, and when you think about 269 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: the numbers, because the athleticism and stuff is comparable, uh 270 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: six foot running four to thirty three. That's a big 271 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: difference in one seventy three one hundred seventy three pounds 272 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: winning four two nine, talking about four hundreds of a second. 273 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: I think a guy that's going to be interesting here 274 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: is innes rech Straw. You know everyone's putting him in 275 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: the first round. I've done the same thing. I think 276 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: he's more of a second round player. But corners get 277 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: pushed up, O lineman get pushed up. I don't know. 278 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: He checked in a five eleven and three eighths. That's fine. 279 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: You know we're we're real close to six hundred eighty three. 280 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: That's on the light side. I know he's not in 281 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: the one seventies, but that is on the light side. 282 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: At one eighty three, he ran a four to five 283 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: to one with a one five to four split, which 284 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: is okay. Broad jump ten foot ten foot's okay, But 285 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: you you see some of the other explosive numbers, he's 286 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: on the bottom half of the explosion numbers from a 287 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: broad jump with some of these other dbs. I think 288 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: that four to five to one, paired with an average 289 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: broad and wait at one eighty three could get him 290 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: in a little bit of trouble here Buck. 291 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: Oh, without course, yeah, I think he can get him 292 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: in a little They get him in a little trouble 293 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: because you don't have the attributes that you're quote unquote 294 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: looking for good player. You see safe and you like it. 295 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: But man, the four to five and one the other 296 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: stuff like five foot eleven, I look, I don't know 297 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: if he's the top twenty. People talking about how fighty 298 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: and physical and stuff he is. I think the difference 299 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: between like Ray Kershaw and Arnold to me is I 300 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: just saw a guy that is more polished, has played 301 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: at a higher level throughout his time. He's borderline though, 302 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: because I think he's a really good player. But it 303 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: will be interesting to see how they separate those guys 304 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: kind of hanging on that list. 305 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: I want to I want to bring up a couple 306 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: more guys to Bucky that we're interested in DBS if 307 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna stick with DBS for a second. NeiMa Pritchett 308 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: from Auburn, this guy is interesting to me on tape. 309 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: He's six foot and one eight, but he looks even 310 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: taller than that. He's thirty one and five inch armed, 311 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: which was not crazy, but something about this guy. 312 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: Man. 313 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: He is just and he's one hundred and ninety pounds. 314 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: He looks he's an angular build. He looks a lot 315 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: longer than the measurables. He ran a four three six forty, 316 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: which is blazing with a one four nine ten so 317 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: a ten yard splits. So what we're saying is, not 318 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: only does he have ketchup speed, he gets to his 319 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: ketchup speed real fast. And then his broad jump was 320 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: a thirty four and a half, which is I mean, 321 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. His vertical is thirty four and a half, 322 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: which is which is pretty good. But he's a he's 323 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: a classic press corner from Auburn who has speed to 324 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: either keep up with you or run you down if 325 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: he gets behind. I think he really not a lot 326 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: of people are talking about Nemi Pitcher, but he's a 327 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: good football player. I think he really helped himself out 328 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: yesterday quite a bit. And then the other guy that 329 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: kind of stood out was from a testing standpoint, was 330 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: Max Melton from Rutgers and Buck, I know you weren't 331 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: at the I think you were at East West. You 332 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: didn't go to senior ball man. This guy is super competitive, 333 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: super feisty, Everything about him is he's trying to he's 334 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: trying to compete. He's five eleven, he's one hundred and 335 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: eighty seven pounds, which is good. He's got good arm, 336 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: lenked over thirty two. I think he's going to play 337 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: for the slot. But he was a four to three 338 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: nine forty yesterday, jumped forty and a half inches and 339 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: had a broad. As you know, Bucky, this is a 340 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: big time broad eleven feet four inches. So he showed 341 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: the explosiveness and the hips, which also correlated. You talk 342 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: about that a lot with the correlation of the forty time, 343 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: which is a fourth to three to nine. He had 344 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: a good h he had good speed. He's a competitor. 345 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: I thought he really. He didn't always win at the 346 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He took his losses, but he has some 347 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: ws too. That's a guy that when you test like that, 348 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: I guarantee you you go in a stack of cornerbacks 349 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: where you like them all kind of the same. All 350 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's in a four threes and he 351 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: jumped forty. That's the kind of thing that can get 352 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: you pushed up at the top of the stack, and 353 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: that could be the difference in you know, fourteen to 354 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty blots in the draft. That's more money and 355 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: it's just you know, more prominence being draft earlier. 356 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, great athlete. You talked about him being a 357 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: feisty competitor and how he kind of performed down in 358 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. But I'm looking at these numbers. I know, 359 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: he's five eleven one eighty seven, but forty nine forty 360 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: and a half inch vertical eleven four broad up. That 361 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: tells you right there, he's an explosive athlete when you 362 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: think about like the ball skills and just how he 363 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: performed at the Senior Bowl and the regular season. You 364 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: talk about a Day two pick, you talk about the 365 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: second round kind of being the sweet spot for cornerbacks 366 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: and those things. Max Melton, come on down. He's now 367 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: in the day two conversation. 368 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it has to be because because of 369 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: that from a safety standpoint. 370 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: You know. 371 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh, so one thing that stood out on watching in 372 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: person with the DBS. Okay, so they don't have the 373 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: same let's talk about this for a second. They don't 374 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: have all the quarterbacks throwing. So usually there's a bunch 375 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks and they're all throwing they're all throwing the 376 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: gauntlet and they're throwing some piss missiles at these guys 377 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: just so there's always somebody who just has to just bang, 378 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: just light them up, and you see wide receivers and 379 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: and dbs have a hard time catching it. That was 380 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: not the case. There were a lot of scouts throwing 381 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: and it was accurate, but it was also very very 382 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: easy catchable balls. I'm going through thinking, man, these are 383 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: the these are the best ball skills I've ever seen 384 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: from corners and safeties, and I think it is like 385 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of that. And also, you 386 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: don't have quarterbacks that are really testing, you know, the dbs. 387 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Would you rather see them tested with some with some 388 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: hot shots, because we didn't see that yesterday. We didn't 389 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: see drops hardly at all. Would you rather, as a 390 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: as an evaluator bucket, see some quarterbacks out there trying 391 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: to light them up. Because everything's not going to be 392 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: soft and fluffy into your hands. You're gonna have to 393 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: deal with some some fastballs too. 394 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: Well. I think what that point that you just made 395 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: about this being the best, uh instead of ball skills 396 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: and hands that we've seen from a group of DB's Look, 397 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 2: I agree with you when you go and you look 398 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: at the number. You know, as we're doing the profiles, 399 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: we always dig into the numbers because you want to. 400 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: Like when I make notes on players, I put a 401 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: what the ball production? What is the ball production? And 402 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: I'm seeing double digit interceptions for almost everybody and uncommon 403 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: because some guys some classes, man, you see a bunch 404 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: of breakups but not a lot of interceptions. But like 405 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: the safety class in particular, everybody near over double digits 406 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 2: in terms of sacord in terms of interception production. Tyler 407 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: Numan and Kimman Kitchens and all these guys can catch. 408 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: The seven o seven culture has finally caught up where 409 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: it's producing more skilled players entering the league. The fact 410 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: that these guys have been backfeddling and covering and playing 411 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: in these seven o seven tournaments since they're like ten, eleven, twelve, 412 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: they're just more skilled when it comes to catching the 413 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: ball and doing those things. So even though they were 414 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: basically catching soft toss from the scouts, you still get 415 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: it to evaluate their hand eye coordination. And for a 416 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 2: lot of guys, look, it was solid even though they 417 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: weren't catching the balls from a police level quarterback. 418 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, going into some of the safety talking about Bucky, 419 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: we may be in the middle of White Boy Winner 420 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: right now. We got Cold Bishop from Cole Bishop from 421 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: Utah running a four four to five, jumping thirty nine 422 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: inches and a broad jump of ten to four that 423 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: you got my man Cooper de John who is He 424 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: did not work out obviously he's injured. I think Lab 425 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: McConkie's gonna run fast. I don't know Bucky. It might 426 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: be White Boy Winner, but we'll find out. But uh No, 427 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: I think that uh Cole had a really good work. 428 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: I thought he looked great in the Not only did 429 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: he test well here, he looked really good in the field. 430 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: And you know there's so many there's a two hundred 431 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: pounds is not a standard safety weight anymore. There's a 432 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: lot one hundred and ninety pounds safeties. Cold Bishop running 433 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: a four to four five and he's very well built, 434 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: short arms, but six two two oh five. You know, 435 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: I don't want to like I want to make this point. 436 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I know everyone loves the ball skills and the range 437 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: and we all love that, but NFL team sure do 438 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: love to see a guy who's built like a grown 439 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: hand you know six Dominie camp them from Washington six 440 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: two two point fifteen thirty three and a quarter arms 441 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: like that still matters to teams when they can get 442 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: their hands on a really good athlete with size, a 443 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of times they'll take that over a really good 444 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: athlete that's smaller. 445 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because here's the other thing special teams comes into play. 446 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: Like when we're talking about it, we always tend to 447 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: talk about like position a, the offensive player, defensive player, 448 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: when could he be a start in those things? But 449 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: when you're working for a team and you got to 450 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 2: look at it, We got to look at all three phases. 451 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: How can we get this guy into the middle When 452 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: you're six to two, well over two hundred pounds, you 453 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: run four four five. Just think about what he can 454 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: do on your kickoff covers team and your punt covers team. 455 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: And even though they're talking about changing the kickoff, we're 456 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: gonna have more opportunities to have in space. Well he is, 457 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: he's going to be in the conversation six two two 458 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: oh six running that that fast. Oh yeah, like you 459 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: you're gonna take an opportunity, take a chance on him. 460 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: Look at the table, like I mean, he has a 461 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: very solid athlete. I mean, now we're talking about like 462 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: cracking the code a two day three, like right on 463 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: their borderline. He's a good player. 464 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So what are you doing with a guy like 465 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: Jalen Simpson? This is a good football player. He's an Auburn, 466 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: But Auburn, for whatever reason, had the skinniest dbs in 467 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: the game this year. Well, Pritchett is one ninety. That's good, 468 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: but DJ James is in a one to seventy. Who's 469 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: a really good player, Jalen Simpson, who's kind of a 470 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: nickel safety. He can play all over the place. He's 471 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: five to eleven, one's seventy nine, but man, he ran 472 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: a four or five. He jumped thirty nine and a 473 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: half with an eleven to one broad So the explosion 474 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: numbers are great. But obviously he can't play standard safety 475 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: at one hundred and seventy nine pounds. That's not going 476 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: to happen. So you know, I guess you have to 477 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: make sure that he has enough cover to play some 478 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: type of nickel or even play outside a corner, because 479 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: if you can't, what do you do with a guy 480 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: like that bucket at one hundred and seventy nine pounds 481 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: and see. 482 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: And this is why, like what you want to do 483 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: when you're evaluating, you want to put your pen down 484 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: before you go to the combine because the conversations that 485 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: you're having, you don't want his workout to influence how 486 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: you now suddenly evaluated. You talked about he's kind of 487 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: a man without a position. He's not quite fluid enough 488 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: and goes out and play the nickel. He's not big 489 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: enough and sturdy enough to play safety. So what do 490 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: you end up having. He is going to have to 491 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: really work diligently on getting his stuff in order in 492 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: terms of his athleticism, his turn transitions in those things, 493 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 2: and he's gonna have to be able to tackle one 494 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 2: hundred seventy nine pounds. Is life. You can't put him 495 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 2: out there because they're gonna run right at him. And 496 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: so you have to be confident enough that he can 497 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: come in as a developmental prospect and maybe learn how 498 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: to be a nickel or down defender in your scheme. 499 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, these things all matter. That's why the combine does matter. 500 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: It's not just underwear Olympics as people like to call it. 501 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain questions that arise, and then 502 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: if a guy's good enough, you've got to have a 503 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: conversation with your defensive coordinator about how do you how 504 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: do you think we can use him? What can we 505 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: do defensively? What are his limitations? Can we play them 506 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: on special teams? You have talked to special teams coaches. 507 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: These are all conversations that need to take place. I 508 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: do want to mention the freak Show because you mentioned 509 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: him earlier, Tyler Owens from Texas Tech. He may have 510 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: run the fastest time. I saw somewhere where they had 511 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: an over under on his speed as a four to 512 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: three to zero. So I don't know what he's got 513 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: in his background, but he's got some juice in his background, 514 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and he is six. This is why you got to 515 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: pay attention to this guy on tape. I watched him. 516 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: He keys and fills like a linebacker. He doesn't have 517 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: the greatest angles to the ball like he's still he 518 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: has played a lot of football. He's a five star 519 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: recruit at University of Texas transferred over to Texas Tech. 520 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: He hasn't played a ton of football, but he's got 521 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: really really rare trades. I mean rare six two and 522 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: three eighths two hundred and sixteen pounds. He's got arms 523 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: that are almost thirty three and a half inches, which 524 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: is a six seven wingspan. Bucky, he didn't run because 525 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: he hurt himself on his run, but he was going 526 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: to run likely in the four threes, the low four 527 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: fourths at that size. And then he had a forty 528 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: one inch vertical in a twelve to two broad Like 529 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: we used to word elite a lot. This is extraordinarily 530 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: elite size speed explosion potential. And I know he hasn't 531 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: played a lot, and I know the football is a 532 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: little bit bumpy, but Bucky guys like that. Teams may 533 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: not draft him in the first two rounds, but all 534 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: of a sudden the back end of the third and 535 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: certainly into the fourth, they get real frisky with these 536 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: type of freak daddies. 537 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean, you just don't find guys to that. 538 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: I mean, look, you just talk about that size and 539 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: speed combination, just a perfect athlete when it comes to it. 540 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: I can't on the score it enough. I'm gonna keep emphasizing. 541 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: Special teams plays a huge role in some of these evaluations. 542 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: When you can get a guy like that, you know, 543 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: he can be a core special teamer because he's so fast, 544 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: he's so dynamic, so athletic. It just gives you a 545 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: chance to do a lot of stuff with him. I 546 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: think his Pro day, his physicianal workout at the pro day, 547 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: at the Pro Day is going to be really really 548 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: impactful because people going to see what can we really 549 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: do with him? How much can he really factor into 550 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: the passing game? Is he someone that maybe we use 551 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: as kind of like a hybrid player that's like a 552 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: sub linebacker that fits and fields those things. But his athleticism, 553 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: it pops, and it's going to give him an opportunity 554 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: to come off the board, probably sooner than maybe his 555 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: playing his game tape and his production suggest And we'll 556 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: get to the. 557 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: Tight ends next and we'll get ready for Day three. 558 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: All right, So then we're back with the sticks. We 559 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: talked about all the dbs and those things, but let's 560 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 2: talk about the guys who are really impact in the 561 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: passing game in a major way at the football league level. 562 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: After watching Sam Laporter blow up, teams are here committed 563 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: and focus on finding the next underrated star that can 564 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: control the middle of the field. Just give me a 565 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: general thought on what you saw from the tight end class. 566 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: It's it's solid not you know, I thought it's just 567 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: kind of a letdown through no fault to their own, 568 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: because we had we had the best tight end draft 569 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: last year that I had seen probably since I've been 570 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: doing this, which is a while. It was unbelievably deep, 571 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: and there's still some there were still some good performances, 572 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: but I think this is going to be one of 573 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: those positions that once you get outside of and it's 574 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: not fair to everybody, but once you get outside of 575 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: brock Bowers, the excitement levels really gonna trail off for 576 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys. But Dio Johnson was a 577 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: guy yesterday who I mean, everyone talked. All the scouts 578 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: I talked to said, yeah, I was. I was a 579 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: little bit light on him with my grade, and they said, man, 580 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna test now, He's gonna test really well. He 581 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: tested better than I could have ever expected. He's six 582 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: foot six, two hundred and fifty nine pounds. This guy 583 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: ran a four to five seven, which is faster than 584 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: some of the cornerbacks ran, or faster than some of 585 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: the safeties ran. There were plenty of safeties in a 586 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: four to six range. This guy ran a four to 587 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: five seven, had a vertical jump of thirty nine and 588 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: a half, which is wide receiver vertical jump at two 589 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: at one hundred and ninety pounds, these guys are jumping 590 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: thirty nine and a half. He's two sixty jumping thirty 591 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: nine and a half. And he had a broad a 592 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: ten to five. So when I tell you that he 593 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: tests like a freak and has plus plus size dio 594 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Johnson really no matter what he put on tape, which 595 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: was solid, it was solid. I think it was great. 596 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: It was solid. But now you look at all these 597 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: numbers bucking and you say, okay, the pens they get 598 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: the most out of them, or how much more is 599 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: there left for us to take these freaky traits and 600 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: can he be a lot better than we saw Penn State? 601 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: You have to ask that question when you see numbers like. 602 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: This, Yeah, we see numbers like that. You absolutely have 603 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: to ask that. And depending on the tight end coach 604 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: in the room. You don't see a lot of guys 605 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: from college come in as ready made guys. So do 606 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: you have a developmental guy and take that athleticism mentalent 607 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: and put it to really, really really good that's going 608 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: to be the million dollar question. But he has all 609 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: the things. I mean, he's a body, beautiful kid. We 610 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: knew that coming in the athleticism and stuff. We knew 611 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: he was going to dazzle. And then we're just kind 612 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: of kind of see what can I see what happened? 613 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know the Devin cult tight end. 614 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: So he caught everyone's eye running a four four seven forty. 615 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: But before you get too excited about that, he's two 616 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one pounds. He's not an inline guy 617 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: at all. When I watched him, you're basically talking he's 618 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: that new breed of Okay, we're basically dealing with a big, 619 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: big receiver who can roll. He's sixty three, two hundred 620 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: and thirty one pounds, so he can run. But we 621 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: know he's not gonna block. So how are we gonna 622 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? Can we use him because 623 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: he's going to be a big receiver. Can he help 624 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: us on teams at all? Can we match him up 625 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: with running a four to four seven at six three 626 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: two thirty. You know, one of the problems he had 627 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: was handling the fastballs from Michael Pennix. The hands were 628 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: a little slow to activate, but they also only used 629 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: him in a lot of short stuff because of the 630 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: wide receivers they had. He's a guy that I think 631 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: you could watch tape and say, you know what, there's 632 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: still a lot for us to explore down the field 633 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: in the seam running second, third level routes. He's one 634 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: of those guys that's intriguing to me because you look 635 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: at the size, you say, okay, big receiver, but we 636 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: can match him up against smaller people, and at four 637 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: four seven we know he can roll. So maybe something 638 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: where we can use a big guy down the field 639 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: against smaller guys and get the matchup advantage. So you 640 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: always have to be thinking about, you know, when you 641 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: see a number pop like a four four seven forty, 642 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: you always have to think, was there some way we 643 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: can mismatch him? Because that's what t tight ends are 644 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: a lot right now? Is you want to find mismatch options. 645 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you do want to find mismatch options. And so 646 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: here's the guy that I thought was gonna be a 647 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: mismatch off the Jatavia Sandus from Texas and didn't necessarily 648 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: work out like we thought he was a man. We 649 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: thought he was going to be the guy that kind 650 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: of like lit it up. He'd really do those things. 651 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: Turned in a four six nine not fast enough. But 652 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: the thing that you have to be careful of when 653 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: you evaluate him. You can't get so caught up in 654 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: the numbers that you ignore the tape. 655 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: The tape you something else. 656 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, I know that when I see him every 657 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about the seam running specialist. Right there, 658 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: he gets down the seam, he makes a bunch of 659 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: things happen. I just think you have to be careful 660 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: not to put too much stock into how you performed 661 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: at the combine and go back and trust what you 662 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: saw from him on tape, because what you saw on 663 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: tape was a really high end player, a guy that 664 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: probably comes off the board in the second round, but 665 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: he may dazzle. Just like Sam Laporter was able to dabble, 666 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: this guy may also dabble. 667 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of? I don't 668 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: know how much you've had a chance to see Ben 669 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Sennate from Kansas State. He's more of an h back. 670 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: He's six foot basically six four two fifty, so he's 671 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: got tied in, he's got tight in size, but he's 672 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: really more Frank whitecheck old school h back. He's a 673 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: guy that can line up for you all over the place. 674 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: He'll do some lead blocking and can't the State he 675 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: ran a four to six eight, which a good time, 676 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: but he jumped forty inches. His broad jump was ten 677 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: to six. Like once again, we're getting into that crazy 678 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: territory of a two hundred and fifty pound guy who's 679 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: a really explosive athlete. My guess is when he ends 680 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: up running I don't know if he ran three cone, 681 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't have the data on that yet, but when 682 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: we get a three cone and short shuttle numbers, my 683 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: guess is they're going to be really quick, great change 684 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: of direction. I had a problem with him, Bucky, because 685 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have a great tape grade on him, But 686 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: other people I respect it liked him a lot more. 687 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: I know Jim Nagy really liked him when he invited 688 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: him to the Senior Bowl. He's won with these numbers, 689 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: I have no choice, but I got to say, Okay, 690 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: I man missed him, so let me go back and 691 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: see if I missed him or if my opinion is 692 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: just different. But he's one of those green light players 693 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: where I say Okay, I guess I got some tape 694 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: watching to do when I get back from Indianapolis, when 695 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: I get back to the humidity of Houston, I guess 696 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: I got to put that tape on again. 697 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think like those are the things man, 698 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: when that's a good thing about That's really the intent 699 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: of the combine, right, The combine is supposed to it's 700 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: supposed to make you go back to the tape. And 701 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: so when you see these das athletic performances, it's supposed 702 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: to make you go back and be like, hey, man, 703 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: do we have a good film evaluation on this player? 704 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: Is he just a great athlete? Or is he a 705 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: player that maybe we just kind of missed. And that's 706 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: what it's supposed to do. So when you talk about 707 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: those kinds of things, now, I got to go back. 708 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 2: That's what all front officers should do with some of 709 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: these workout warriors. Hey, let's go back and look at 710 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: the tape and make sure we didn't miss on somebody 711 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: just because it might have been a bad day of 712 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: the office work scout that was kind of running through. 713 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: We're doing a school call. 714 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: What's your do you have a favorite? I know we're 715 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: getting ready to go. But what's your favorite? Do you 716 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: have something that you really look for with tight ends? 717 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: Is there a metric? Is there a so. 718 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: Looks it's not really a number because like I think 719 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: what I've learned is like the guys with the best 720 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: athletes may not play that way. I think for me, 721 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: everything with tied end is how do they catch the ball, 722 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: like when they're going through the gaunlet drills and running 723 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: routes and those things, and then how do they separate 724 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: or what is their route running like? Because man, we've 725 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: seen guys who were not fast, Like I played with 726 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer Antony Gazalez, who wasn't the fastiest, 727 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 2: fastest guy, but he was crafty. Antonio Gates was not 728 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 2: the fastest guy, but he's gonna be a future Hall 729 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: of Famer, and he found a way to consistently put 730 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: the ball in the paint. Look at Gronk and even 731 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: look at George Kittle. They haven't been the fastest guy. 732 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 2: There's just a craftiness. Tom Travis Kelce, So, I don't 733 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 2: think it's like the super athlete that does it. I 734 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: think what you have to do is just look at 735 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 2: the guy who kind of has a feel and flow 736 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: for snagging passes and the ball is just it's easy 737 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 2: for him to bring in. Those are the guys that 738 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: are the ones that the hardest to guard. So I 739 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: think it's the handout coordination as they're going through like 740 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: the gauntlet in those things, and just how easy the 741 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: game is former it comes to the ball skills and 742 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: running rount you know. 743 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: I want to bring this up. It's something really interesting 744 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: that I read that really stuck with me. And it's 745 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: about Travis Kelsey and why Travis Kelsey is always open 746 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: and how he gets open. And there is a former, uh, 747 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: there's a defensive back. I was listening to him on 748 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: a podcast I think it was, and he was talking 749 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: about the fact that so he's like a basketball player. 750 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: So route runners, you know, we talked about a dB 751 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: about a wide receiver yesterday, I think on our on 752 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: our set, and we were talking about this guy's craft 753 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: he can get open. I think it may have been 754 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: Malik Washington from from Virginia. I don't know, but the 755 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: idea was, Okay, at some point you got to learn leverage, 756 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: you got to learn you know, you gotta fine tune 757 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: your route running and eight sharp angles and it becomes 758 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: a game of geometry. But with Travis Kelcey because he's 759 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: got a quarterback with the playmaking mentality, and Travis has 760 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: playmaking mentality, he goes off script with his route. So 761 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: the dB was saying, even if you think you've got 762 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: him guarded because you know what the route is, he 763 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: just changes the route like he just goes into basketball mode. 764 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: And he was going to go over that pick. He says, 765 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I see you over playing a pick. 766 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna up under the pick. And you got a 767 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: point guard that has John Stockton vision and Magic Johnson 768 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: vision in Patrick Mahomes. And it really made sense because 769 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm always thinking, how how is Kelsey getting this open? 770 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: All the time? It doesn't make sense. And when I 771 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: heard that, when I heard that explanation, I realized, Okay, 772 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: these are like the two guys you're playing. You're playing 773 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: two on two half court, and these two jokers know 774 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: each other's game, so well did you gonna get your 775 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: handed to you with all that back door Princeton backdoor 776 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: custom the giving goes and all that's what they do. 777 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: They're like the two guys in the gym that know 778 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 1: each other's game and you're in a lot of trouble. 779 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: That's funny that you said that, because that's exactly what 780 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: I believe those guys do. It is saying lot like 781 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 2: nobody's business. And it is just a feel and a 782 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 2: flow to it, the chemistry because you can read the 783 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 2: body language and death, Oh he's breaking out because he 784 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: gave it a little nod. I know that's where it's coming. 785 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: That's the thing, and I think that's part of the 786 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: reason why these basketball players have succeeded making a transition 787 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: so often from playing on the hardwood to then playing 788 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 2: tight end and having success in the National Football League. 789 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: It's a feel and a flow to it. It can't 790 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 2: really be explained. It can't really be evaluated by the numbers. 791 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 2: You just kind of knew it when you see it. 792 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was my look at tight ends. It's 793 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: not going to be as deep. This year's guys like 794 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: Cade Stover, I liked it, did a nice job. I 795 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: thought they all caught the ball really well. It's not 796 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: sexy like last year, but you've still got some starters 797 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: in there, and then you've got some guys like Theo 798 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: Johnson who have pushed himself in Ben Sinnett who the 799 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: considerations go even higher, and now you've got some question 800 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: marks on just a couple of players. I think Who 801 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: you got to go back and check because they ran 802 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: a little bit slower. But Aldough, I thought the tight 803 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: end group did a good job of coming in and 804 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: being who they are. And I think we're going to 805 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: see mostly depth type players in general from this class. 806 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: But that's important too. I mean, you got to have 807 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: quality of death. You've got to have guys that can 808 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: step in and get starts when you need it. 809 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what you're talking about is like a 810 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,959 Speaker 2: bunch of mid round guts. To me, the mid round 811 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 2: is like, hey, look bottom of a second to the 812 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: top of the fifth. You can see a bunch of 813 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: these guys. Hear their name, Carl, You're right about Senet 814 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 2: from Kansas State kind of showing up. He was outstanding 815 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 2: the vertical and the broad jump really uh stood out 816 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 2: and at six four two fifty being able to be 817 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: used as an h back, he has a chance to 818 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 2: be one of those guys that we talked about being 819 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: a high value selection in those mid rounds. 820 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: What's it for me, Bud Cool, I'm ready to get 821 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: to day three now, man, Well. 822 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 2: Let's get to day three, so you guys make sure 823 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 2: we'll be back with one more recap podcast tomorrow. We'll 824 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 2: break down the quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs who worked 825 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: out today, so make sure you tune in