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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
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Speaker 4: If you are joining us the evening this program publishes,
Speaker 4: we want to be the first to welcome you to Thursday,
Speaker 4: January sixteenth, twenty twenty five, one of our favorite times
Speaker 4: of the week. We're going to hear directly from you
Speaker 4: and your fellow listeners. Limericks rem Space responses to an
Speaker 4: ongoing conversation with a Shepherds some thought provoking explorations of chimera.
Speaker 4: But before we do any of that, guys, quick check in.
Speaker 4: I think we can just say it at the top.
Speaker 4: We were talking off air about preparation and about whether
Speaker 4: or not you should keep a pocket knife or a
Speaker 4: leatherman on your person. Do you guys have any strong
Speaker 4: stance on that.
Speaker 3: I've never been a knife carrier. I do have them
Speaker 3: strategically laid out around my home, but frankly, there are
Speaker 3: you know whatever. I'm a knife fan. I actually had
Speaker 3: a couple of knife subscriptions for a while. I have
Speaker 3: too many knives. I like kitchen and cooking and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I also have a couple of nice pocket knives.
Speaker 3: And I got a solid leatherman that's great multi tool.
Speaker 3: But it could certainly end up situation where a leatherman
Speaker 3: in particular would come in handy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine that being helpful, he said, as
Speaker 2: he pulled out the badass machete that Ben got him
Speaker 2: one time.
Speaker 4: No, I mean we're talking about preparation here, just really quickly.
Speaker 4: Because Steve from Ohio and a couple of other conspiracy
Speaker 4: realists of ours wrote in to talk about the tragic
Speaker 4: death of these two people who went out in the
Speaker 4: wild searching for Bigfoot. It did not end well for them.
Speaker 4: They were not prepared for the elements, and in full disclosure,
Speaker 4: as we're recording this on January eighth, we as a
Speaker 4: cabal are attempting to figure out whether we can hang
Speaker 4: out in person on Friday, January tenth, and we're kind
Speaker 4: of watching the weather.
Speaker 3: Leaning towards a no, it's looking it's looking like a
Speaker 3: winter wonderland's coming our way, and our little neck of
Speaker 3: the woods is not prepared for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, snowpocalyps.
Speaker 4: Snowpocalyps right right, And we as a city took a
Speaker 4: lot of heat for that heat. We took a lot
Speaker 4: for that when the last time it occurred, because our
Speaker 4: fair metropolis of Atlanta is cartoonishly unprepared for that kind
Speaker 4: of inclement weather. So if we do end up not
Speaker 4: being able to hang out in person, please just know
Speaker 4: the five of us are prepared for winter weather. We're
Speaker 4: a little more concerned about the rest of our surely
Speaker 4: very cool co residents of Atlanta. But do you guys
Speaker 4: remember the last snowpocalypse We made a video when we
Speaker 4: thought we were going to get stranded in our office.
Speaker 3: I chose not to come to work that day. I
Speaker 3: was commuting from Athens, Georgia at the time as a
Speaker 3: bit of a trek, and things were looking potentially rough,
Speaker 3: And I'm glad I made that decision, But I'm sorry
Speaker 3: you guys got stuck there. Right as you get home
Speaker 3: what was the I can't remember how that panned out.
Speaker 2: We made it, thanks for the help of Josh Clark.
Speaker 3: Do you guys, you use this helicopter.
Speaker 4: It's called a Josha cop Okay, got it, that's what
Speaker 4: he He'll give you a ride, but he demands you
Speaker 4: call it a josh a coop the whole way, which
Speaker 4: is a real trail off.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: Ye, and yeah, we had a series of misadventures with that,
Speaker 4: perhaps story for another evening, but we do have a
Speaker 4: continuing story regarding the great debate of what Michael Polland
Speaker 4: calls the omnivores dilemma to eat to not eat, and
Speaker 4: what to eat should one choose. So we'll pause for
Speaker 4: a word from our sponsor, and then no, we're going
Speaker 4: to hear from one of our fellow conspiracy realists who
Speaker 4: responded to our discourse with a shepherd in Europe.
Speaker 3: Indeed, and we've returned and as ben so as Stuteley
Speaker 3: alluded to before our mini break, our micro break, call
Speaker 3: it what you will. Yeah, we're gonna kind of continue
Speaker 3: a conversation about the idea of permaculture, the idea of
Speaker 3: how best to sustain this experiment that we call the
Speaker 3: human race in terms of food stuffs and crops and
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. A lot of this came from,
Speaker 3: I believe it initially been that discussion about the pork.
Speaker 4: Towers, right or the yeah over in China, the idea
Speaker 4: that you could take the same objectively promising concepts of
Speaker 4: vertical farming and you could translate that somehow to specific
Speaker 4: types of livestock. So, as we record right now, there
Speaker 4: are a lot of pigs over in China and series
Speaker 4: of Orwellian skyscrapers, right.
Speaker 3: And I think the question that came up amongst the
Speaker 3: three of us, well one of them, anyway, was why
Speaker 3: not why do something like this with pork? With pigs?
Speaker 3: It seems so inhumane and unsustainable and all of that.
Speaker 3: Why not do it with grain or like tofu or
Speaker 3: something like that. And then the question ultimately turned too, well,
Speaker 3: because people want pork, you know. And then the question
Speaker 3: also turned to, well, how do we sustain that kind
Speaker 3: of thing in a way that is responsible and would
Speaker 3: hopefully promote the continuation of this noble experiment that we
Speaker 3: call the human race? And Ben, I believe you, on
Speaker 3: a recent listener mail read what I think it sounds
Speaker 3: like a thing like a concept that literally googled it
Speaker 3: before I realized it was a response to this initial email.
Speaker 3: The shepherd's point, It just sounds like a philosophical concept. Guys,
Speaker 3: let's talk about the shepherd's point. Ben, can you remind
Speaker 3: us a little bit about the shepherd's point previously on
Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you know? In our weekly listener
Speaker 3: mail segment, we spoke with a shepherd who is based
Speaker 3: in Europe, right, and their argument was, look, as a shepherd,
Speaker 3: with my first hand experience, I believe that the world
Speaker 3: would not be better if every human being on the
Speaker 3: planet was vegetarian. It would not be better. Got it perfect, Ben,
Speaker 3: That is a great summation. And if you want to
Speaker 3: refer back to that episode, Ben, just to get the
Speaker 3: full scope of the shepherd's point, you can do so. Ben,
Speaker 3: when did that one publish?
Speaker 4: This would be the day after what cool Christmas? December
Speaker 4: twenty sixth, twenty twenty four, when we spoke to the
Speaker 4: shepherd who is based in France.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. Thank you for that additional detail, Ben, So do
Speaker 3: check that out. It's an interesting conversation out of itself.
Speaker 3: But here we have a response from mister Wiggles. This
Speaker 3: is a lovely name for a listener or a childhood pet.
Speaker 3: Perhaps this is a character, mister Wiggles. There there's The Wiggles,
Speaker 3: which was a popular children's program. Mister Wiggles as a wow,
Speaker 3: there's a rat answer, there's a the electrical l Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he does you know he does have a good wiggle. No,
Speaker 3: not so much. There's the Wiggles. That's the kids show.
Speaker 3: This is mister Wiggles writing to us in response to
Speaker 3: the shepherd's response, or the shepherd's dilemma. I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It just sounds like a thing that should exist. Here
Speaker 3: is what mister Wiggles has to say. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: that the shepherd's point is wrong. Let's say the way
Speaker 3: he or she is raising animals keeps biodiversity of the
Speaker 3: grazing land. That may actually be true, but much of
Speaker 3: the monocropped and bioengineered corn and soy grown around the
Speaker 3: world goes to feed ding, ding, ding, live stock. We
Speaker 3: also have to consider that extremely biodiverse things like rainforests
Speaker 3: are wiped out for grazing land, which is not very
Speaker 3: biodiverse in comparison. Also, we should consider that an animal
Speaker 3: has to use up nutrients and energy just to be alive.
Speaker 3: So there's some extra efficiency in just eating the plant
Speaker 3: rather than an animal that ate the plant, assuming critical
Speaker 3: nutrients are available from said plant. I mean, technically, some
Speaker 3: math would need to be done to get this right,
Speaker 3: and I'm just throwing this together at three am, so
Speaker 3: that won't happen. But I would bet that if people
Speaker 3: generally adopted traditional vegetarian diets and the human populations otherwise
Speaker 3: kept as a constant, that would in fact reduce the
Speaker 3: destruction of biodiversity and destruction of bio in general. While
Speaker 3: it's true some of that traditional grazing land and might
Speaker 3: be turned to a monocrop, there would be more rainforest
Speaker 3: and other biodiverse land and less need for crops in
Speaker 3: general because of efficiency gains regards Mister Wiggles and mister
Speaker 3: Wiggles very helpfully included a couple of resources a very
Speaker 3: cool article on the Washington Post. I don't know what
Speaker 3: was that one called? Did you guys see that one?
Speaker 4: It is Devouring the Rainforest by Terrence McCoy and Julia Leder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm sorry, off, I was having tons of
Speaker 3: trouble with the paywall on Washington Post and I don't
Speaker 3: want to deal with finding a log in for our company,
Speaker 3: so Ben, thank for popping that up, but I would
Speaker 3: check that one out. But we're going to talk mainly
Speaker 3: around this post on food revolution dot org by Ocean Robbins,
Speaker 3: the CEO of Food Revolution Network, and it is a
Speaker 3: post called Monocropping a Disastrous Agricultural System and talks about
Speaker 3: the practice of monocropping, which is the growth of a
Speaker 3: single crop over and over and over again on the
Speaker 3: same piece of land, which was invented to increase the
Speaker 3: food supply and combat hunger. However, it does create unintended
Speaker 3: consequences that threaten greater global food security and have the
Speaker 3: potential to do also worse than climate change. In this
Speaker 3: post he explores some of the pros and cons of
Speaker 3: monocropping and there are way more cons than pros, and
Speaker 3: also look at some alternative growing methods that people might consider.
Speaker 3: So do check out both of those resources if you
Speaker 3: want to learn a little bit more about monocropping and
Speaker 3: in the destruction of biodiverse areas like the rainforest as
Speaker 3: a result of a byproduct of farming of animals. You know,
Speaker 3: for sustenance. But guys, I just wanted to throw it
Speaker 3: to the group here real quick. Do you kind of
Speaker 3: see mister Wiggles's point? Ben? I know you had some
Speaker 3: back and forth with the Shepherd, like via that actual email.
Speaker 3: Where do you guys kind of land on this? And
Speaker 3: I know none of us are like agriculture specialists, but
Speaker 3: I don't know it just it does seem to me.
Speaker 3: Like again, the question that came up initially with this
Speaker 3: whole pork tower thing is why why use it for that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Why not if we're planning on if we're thinking about
Speaker 3: food scarcity, and we're thinking about steps that can be
Speaker 3: taken to prevent future food scarcity and potential starvation, why
Speaker 3: not farm something that's better for the environment and more sustainable.
Speaker 3: And I guess the answer is, you know, capitalism. But
Speaker 3: what do you guys think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it's okay, I'll jump in here. I think,
Speaker 4: first off, mister Wiggles, you and I are pretty much
Speaker 4: on the same page. In our previous listener mail conversation,
Speaker 4: I had conceded Shepherd's point with several crucial caveats, and
Speaker 4: one of those big caveats is the danger of growing
Speaker 4: one crop such that a society becomes dependent upon it.
Speaker 4: It damages biodiversity, and it additionally can be terrible for
Speaker 4: the soil. As a matter of fact, monocropping or monocroppery,
Speaker 4: if we want to make it sound even worse, is
Speaker 4: part of the cause of the Irish potato famine, and
Speaker 4: monocropping is also part of the reason why bananas have
Speaker 4: been in such dire straits. Not the band, but you know,
Speaker 4: the real dire straits over time. We know that previous
Speaker 4: or pre existing civilizations, by which we mean those existing
Speaker 4: before the age of industrialization and mono agriculture, they were
Speaker 4: well aware of this. That's why Indigenous American populations have
Speaker 4: what they call the three sisters. You rotate a croper,
Speaker 4: you grow it together such that it's always reinforcing the soil. Right,
Speaker 4: and so if everybody became vegetarian with mono agriculture still
Speaker 4: in play as the dominant agricultural strategy, then it could
Speaker 4: lead to deletarious unforeseen consequences. Does that make sense? That's
Speaker 4: that's my understanding.
Speaker 3: It does. It absolutely makes sense.
Speaker 2: I think about I don't know if we ever actually
Speaker 2: did the episode on it. Guys, do you remember if
Speaker 2: we did an episode on peak phosphorus. I feel like
Speaker 2: we did. I can hear the conversations in my head
Speaker 2: where we were discussing fertilizer and how much more you
Speaker 2: need in a monoculture system because the ground, that the
Speaker 2: soil isn't being replenished with the nutrients that it needs, so.
Speaker 3: You've got toil sour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to apply fertilizer like every time
Speaker 2: you plant corn in the same place again, over and
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over again. But if
Speaker 2: you were doing you know, less monocropping and changing those
Speaker 2: plants out, those crops out every time, you know, a
Speaker 2: new season came around, then you would get different nutrients
Speaker 2: in the soil. That's one of the reasons that what
Speaker 2: multi cropping, what do we call the sisters to all
Speaker 2: those things? That's why, Yeah, there we go. But that's
Speaker 2: why it's so important because you get different stuff in
Speaker 2: the ground and you don't have to artificially get the
Speaker 2: phosphorus and other things in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't have anything to add to that. I
Speaker 3: just thought that the response from mister Wiggles was worthy
Speaker 3: of introducing into this conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, I will add this Noel the peak phosphorus thing.
Speaker 2: The reason why it's called peak phosphorus is because the
Speaker 2: world is running lower. The supplies of phosphorus, which is
Speaker 2: a major fertilizer that humans use, is on the massive decline,
Speaker 2: so eventually we may not be able to fertilize the
Speaker 2: plants that we need to monocrap.
Speaker 4: It's a finite resource, similar to helium. So if you're
Speaker 4: having a great day and it's too great a day
Speaker 4: for you or too great an evening, please check out
Speaker 4: our work on the subject. Notably, here's why we all
Speaker 4: recall this. We have a video from almost ten years
Speaker 4: ago now called what is peak Phosphorus? So it's a
Speaker 4: great primer on an issue that's often ignored in modern
Speaker 4: discourse because people already have their share of headlines and problems.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad there was a video bin because I
Speaker 2: would have had like ghost thoughts in my head about
Speaker 2: this whole thing.
Speaker 3: I think it might have been before my time, so
Speaker 3: I didn't ring a bell, but more relevant now than ever,
Speaker 3: So do check out that those two articles that I mentioned,
Speaker 3: and a huge thanks to mister Wiggles for writing in
Speaker 3: and adding to the conversation. Let's take a quick break
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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, I'm about to do something atrocious.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do something taboo. It simply isn't done.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about a dream I just had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people love hearing about other people's dreams. Let's go.
Speaker 3: I actually do, but it's a sort of a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna go really quickly through this.
Speaker 2: Blaze through it just so you have an understanding, and
Speaker 2: it is related to what we're about to talk about. Okay,
Speaker 2: semi lucid dream. I wasn't positive I was awake, but
Speaker 2: I was able to move through the dream willingly. Does
Speaker 2: that make sense. I was laying on the ground. I
Speaker 2: was looking up at the stars. Two of them that
Speaker 2: were close together, became really bright. Then they went dark.
Speaker 2: I said something something to the effect of, hey, y'all,
Speaker 2: get down here. The three lights came back on. I
Speaker 2: did my way. It was a craft, y'all. It was
Speaker 2: about the size of a sedan with no wheels. Landed
Speaker 2: right next to me. I calmly stood up and out
Speaker 2: of the craft exited Actor Stephen Lang. Do you guys
Speaker 2: remember Stephen Lang? Do you know who this is? Is
Speaker 2: that ring a bell?
Speaker 3: Sure does really a bell? What was he in?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I saw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the machine gun toting dude in the Avatar.
Speaker 2: Yes, the colonel from Avatar got out and just did
Speaker 2: a little Sorkin walk and talk with me and showed
Speaker 2: me some weird stuff. And he showed me a creature,
Speaker 2: a thing, a person that was a lot like doctor
Speaker 2: Reed Richards, like had the stretchy arms like mister Fantastic,
Speaker 2: but he looked like Ben Grimm. The thing so like
Speaker 2: imagine Ben Grimm, but with mister Fantastic's powers. I don't
Speaker 2: remember much other than that, or at least I would
Speaker 2: probably be making it up if I told you more.
Speaker 2: That's all I remember.
Speaker 3: So your dream was a mishmash of Avatar and the
Speaker 3: Fantastic Four. You are a nerd, sir, really, and oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: But the whole point was of it. The whole point
Speaker 2: was the whole walk and talk and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I it wasn't one of those passive dreams. It was
Speaker 2: I made myself stand up, I made myself walk with
Speaker 2: him and observe all the stuff and see, including some
Speaker 2: kind of weird factory thing that we toured, and lucid
Speaker 2: dreaming is something we've talked about a lot in the past.
Speaker 2: And another thing we've done in the past is here
Speaker 2: from kubize Evaka, who left us a voicemail back in
Speaker 2: July talking about the covert use of drone footage and
Speaker 2: home insurance assessments. This is a while back, but for
Speaker 2: some reason, having that dream, then hearing this voicemail about
Speaker 2: some form of drone right or a vehicle in the
Speaker 2: sky like this, uh, and then to have him send
Speaker 2: us this message, it's all connecting.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys here con because I just came across this
Speaker 5: article about this company called rem Space. They are out
Speaker 5: of California, and they claim that they've been able to
Speaker 5: confirm making two people communicate in their dreams. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: Is it going to lead to companies being able to
Speaker 5: place ads in our dreams? And you wake up craving
Speaker 5: McDonald's because they've been playing it in your head all
Speaker 5: night and maybe even subconsciously you don't remember the dreams,
Speaker 5: but you're craving McDonald's. Or is it even kind of
Speaker 5: proved some kind of human telepathy and we're able to
Speaker 5: communicate through our minds. Pretty interesting. Check out the articles
Speaker 5: very science and technical how they talk about it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: check it out.
Speaker 2: Thanks, We're pretty use this message.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, notice the last thing that com Visit Vaka
Speaker 2: said there. It's very important when you call in let
Speaker 2: us know if we can use your name and message
Speaker 2: on the air, just like that, you guys. Targeted dreams,
Speaker 2: targeted dream incubation. That term specifically is something we talked
Speaker 2: about back in July of twenty twenty one. Remember the
Speaker 2: Core's beer ads. We recently brought up again.
Speaker 4: Tap the Rockies and bottom process seeing in lucid dreams.
Speaker 4: I'm really excited, Cabezit Devaka, because oh well, I don't
Speaker 4: want to stuff on tooes, but I'm excited when we
Speaker 4: talk about lucid dreaming and this study.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, lucid dreaming, astral projection, telepathy, all the things
Speaker 2: that essentially another world that exists parallel to ours or
Speaker 2: as an overlay to hours, that we might be able
Speaker 2: to access when in our unconscious states. That's stink and exciting.
Speaker 2: I don't care who you are, it should be at
Speaker 2: least that's the avatar thing kind of right or in
Speaker 2: a way not really no, it's not, but it is,
Speaker 2: but it's not.
Speaker 3: It's of that level that wow factor there, you know.
Speaker 2: So this company, which if you couldn't understand in that
Speaker 2: message just because its phone audio is rem space, so
Speaker 2: our em space and the well one of the articles
Speaker 2: at least that discusses the thing that Kabeza Devaca talks
Speaker 2: about out there. You can find it on ABC Channel
Speaker 2: seven News' website. It was written October seventeenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: It is titled Bay Area Startup claims it developed two
Speaker 2: way communication between people via dreams. Very cool, right? That
Speaker 2: feels like earth shattering information. We can communicate while we're
Speaker 2: asleep with each other. Think about what that could do
Speaker 2: for long distance relationships or for creative partners like a
Speaker 2: writer and an actor or a director and their crew.
Speaker 2: Amazing if you could communicate in dreams and have, you know,
Speaker 2: be in that creative space and then share in that creativity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of makes things like the metaverse a little
Speaker 3: bit irrelevant when you think about it, right, right, whatever,
Speaker 3: we can share a consciousness and manipulate that consciousness like
Speaker 3: a dream like together whoa cool the ultimate chat room.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and we know that some of the most
Speaker 2: influential books and films and music have at least in
Speaker 2: some way been inspired by what occurs in that dream space.
Speaker 2: Right in that layer of creativity that we all access.
Speaker 2: We all sleep, whether we want to or not. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: it's just a part of life, but it could be
Speaker 2: an amazing part of life. So we jumped to this
Speaker 2: article by Zack Puintez. Let's just read some of this.
Speaker 2: The Redwood City startup says it reached the milestone on
Speaker 2: September twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, with technology that links
Speaker 2: to people in a lucid dream state, and then it
Speaker 2: says that they achieved the same communication or similar communication
Speaker 2: again in October of twenty twenty four, and it is
Speaker 2: specifically talking about this company that compositive acumentioned rem Space,
Speaker 2: whose CEO is a gentleman named Michael Reduga r Aduga.
Speaker 2: And this announcement came with pictures of the sleep study
Speaker 2: participants who are attached to all kinds of different things,
Speaker 2: like nodes attached to their basically where their larynx would
Speaker 2: be to their brain, you know, via electrodes on the
Speaker 2: skull that all goes down to a system that like
Speaker 2: straps to your I guess lower body. That is kind
Speaker 2: of the computer that then communicates via Wi Fi and
Speaker 2: theoretically the two sleep participants, who are in completely different
Speaker 2: places both you know, according to at least the people
Speaker 2: running the study are experiencing some form or some level
Speaker 2: of lucid dream state, who then send signals through all
Speaker 2: of their electrodes to that computer through the Wi Fi
Speaker 2: back out the Wi Fi on the other participant side
Speaker 2: through their system, and then signals are received. So signals
Speaker 2: are both sent and received via this technology that remspace
Speaker 2: has developed. It sounds really cool, right, Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I guess I can't really wrap my
Speaker 3: head around. I don't know, like, can you explain the
Speaker 3: technology behind this thinking a little bit more?
Speaker 2: Well, if we want to understand the technology, you can
Speaker 2: read through that articles much as you want, But it,
Speaker 2: unfortunately is kind of like a press release. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's some information that we've got, here's what the company
Speaker 2: is stating. So what we're gonna do is jump to
Speaker 2: the company. You can jump to remspace dot net and
Speaker 2: find the home page of this company that is a
Speaker 2: startup out in San Francisco. It does exist on there.
Speaker 2: You can find the about page that says about Michael
Speaker 2: Reduga and remspace Incorporated, and you can learn a little
Speaker 2: bit more about the folks who are creating this specifically.
Speaker 2: Michael Reduga is an interesting character that we're gonna reveal
Speaker 2: a little bit more at the end of the segment.
Speaker 2: But this guy is he is well known in this space.
Speaker 2: Let's say, he's been experimenting in many different ways with
Speaker 2: sleep studies. He's been researching rem sleep, sleep paralysis, and
Speaker 2: a bunch of other things for a long time. And
Speaker 2: he is a kind of adventor like coming up with
Speaker 2: ways to both monitor dream states and potentially affect dream states.
Speaker 2: He's written a lot of books. You can find them.
Speaker 2: Many of them are just translations of the same book.
Speaker 2: The primary book you can find is titled The Phase Phase.
Speaker 2: It is a guide book for lucid dreaming and out
Speaker 2: of body travel. There's a lot of praise and a
Speaker 2: lot of criticism for this book and the ideas and
Speaker 2: theories that it contains. You can look all of that
Speaker 2: up on your own. It is also important to state
Speaker 2: that remspace has an app as well as something called
Speaker 2: Lucid me Echo, which is a dietary supplement for Lucid dreaming.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you lost me a dietary supplement, bro I
Speaker 3: was on board, And so it just seems like a
Speaker 3: red flag, don't you think.
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of what I'm trying to say here
Speaker 2: without outright seeing it. You know, take that information as
Speaker 2: you will. If you have the same feeling as NOL,
Speaker 2: you have the same feeling as me, where it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: what is this company and what are they doing? But
Speaker 2: then you also have to you imagine, what if you
Speaker 2: are a company that's attempting to help people reach LUCID
Speaker 2: dream states, and what if there actually is some kind
Speaker 2: of supplement that can assist in that, then that would
Speaker 2: be awesome.
Speaker 3: It's true, I think supplement it just becomes such a
Speaker 3: buzzword for scam. I don't know, maybe that's just me
Speaker 3: being jaded, because I sure would love to believe that
Speaker 3: this thing was possible somewhere down the line.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's just you. So this is what
Speaker 2: I would do next. I would point everybody towards the
Speaker 2: Instagram page of Michael Riduga. It is at Michael Underscore
Speaker 2: Rduga And on that Instagram account you can find posts
Speaker 2: from October and I think October is the best one
Speaker 2: to look at October and yeah, October eighth, there is
Speaker 2: a video that tries to an animation, let's say, that
Speaker 2: attempts to explain how this technology functions, just by showing
Speaker 2: where the signals are coming from and going. And then
Speaker 2: there's a picture of the two sleep study participants, both
Speaker 2: in their separate beds wearing this technology that you know,
Speaker 2: these are allegedly the two people that sent signals. And
Speaker 2: the next thing over is a diagram basically that shows
Speaker 2: how these signals travel. Right, so imagine from an engineer's perspective,
Speaker 2: this is how these signals actually go and how the
Speaker 2: one dreamer gets a signal that then makes the other
Speaker 2: dreamer send a signal that is supposed to be the
Speaker 2: same signal. And that's how you know communication has occurred. Then, guys,
Speaker 2: for the last thing, we have to jump to something
Speaker 2: from the Daily Mail that was posted in July twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, and here's the title. Russian researcher with cult
Speaker 2: following claims to have implanted a chip into his brain
Speaker 2: in the hope of controlling his dreams by performing surgery
Speaker 2: on himself at home. Okay, so this story is about
Speaker 2: a time when the CEO of Rems Sleep, Michael Reduga,
Speaker 2: bought a drill like a drill you can buy at
Speaker 2: a store, and then proceeded to drill a hole in
Speaker 2: the top of his skull, wherein he lost a leader
Speaker 2: of blood and then he implanted a chip into his
Speaker 2: own brain and then had to go to the hospital
Speaker 2: for quite a while.
Speaker 3: It's like some mad scientist level stuff right there.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the film Pie a bit. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And you can read all about this. You can read
Speaker 2: about mister Riduga's you know, reasons for doing this and
Speaker 2: why he wanted to and felt like he kind of
Speaker 2: had to. It's the actions I would say of somebody
Speaker 2: that either you know, doesn't care about the risks to
Speaker 2: their own life with performing that kind of thing because
Speaker 2: what they're pursuing feels like it's so important, or if
Speaker 2: somebody just isn't thinking right unfortunately, because that kind of
Speaker 2: action is extremely not only dangerous, it's deadly most of
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, exactly. And by the way, he did
Speaker 2: have to go like he did have to go in
Speaker 2: and remove that chip. He had to have it removed
Speaker 2: because he was threatening his life. So not a great idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you guys think about all this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cobza Devaka, thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 4: time to reach out. A book recommendation that I think
Speaker 4: we may all enjoy in this regard because dreams are
Speaker 4: an amazing thing and not limited to humans, is a
Speaker 4: book by an MIT professor of I think physics and
Speaker 4: creative writing. A guy named Alan Leimann wrote a fantastic
Speaker 4: book called Einstein's Dreams, and if you are at all
Speaker 4: interested in these sorts of high concepts, please do check
Speaker 4: out Einstein's Dreams. We're not being paid to say so, Matt.
Speaker 4: I believe one of the interesting things here in Cabeza Devaka.
Speaker 4: You clocked this as well, I'm sure, is the creation
Speaker 4: of a specific language for communication. And this occurs in
Speaker 4: step with the recent breakthroughs in brain I was said
Speaker 4: brain reading, but you know, neuro monitoring, wherein a human
Speaker 4: being or a human brain can and be given a
Speaker 4: prompt like think of a square, and the brain will
Speaker 4: think of a square, will picture the image, you know,
Speaker 4: in its own headspace, and then scientists have figured out
Speaker 4: how to process or translate that image. So the idea
Speaker 4: of this happening in lucid dreaming is fascinating. We have
Speaker 4: to add to that the idea that this could potentially
Speaker 4: be non consensually deployed in the future. You see the
Speaker 4: earlier conversation about the nature dreams and Core's ads. One
Speaker 4: thing that's standing out to be here in kbize devake,
Speaker 4: Well do you write with your ideas on this? Love
Speaker 4: from everybody on this the diet, right, we were rightly
Speaker 4: exercising skepticism regarding the idea of supplements making someone more
Speaker 4: conducive to lucid dreaming. However, it's a long standing thing
Speaker 4: or belief in many cultures that certain foods, especially dairy products,
Speaker 4: can alter your dreams. What is that Clay Nation show
Speaker 4: about cheese whe where if you cheese you get weird dreams. Anyway,
Speaker 4: you guys know what I'm referencing, right, the idea that
Speaker 4: consume me certain spicy food food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: always heard. I always heard cheese could do it. So
Speaker 4: maybe big Cheese needs to throw their big Parma needs
Speaker 4: to throw their throw their funding toward this dream research.
Speaker 4: But I love this stuff. I hope it continues.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The lucid me echo formula, according to the website, increases
Speaker 2: the synthesis and concentration of acetyl coaline ace e T
Speaker 2: y L C h O L I n E, which
Speaker 2: is a neurotransmitter according to the website that strengthens rem
Speaker 2: sleep and maintains it even in the presence of consciousness.
Speaker 2: So that's a little I don't know, sounds like the
Speaker 2: sleepwalking thing that a lot of people experience when they,
Speaker 2: you know, take certain sleep drugs.
Speaker 3: Definitely right, like what is it Lunesta and things like
Speaker 3: that where you make weird food in a few state
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mmmmmm. Well, there's lots to lots of roads
Speaker 2: to go down with this if you want to kind
Speaker 2: of follow the trail on your own, I would say.
Speaker 2: The Daily Mail article references that mister Raduga is not
Speaker 2: a doctor, but his previous work has attracted the attention
Speaker 2: of thousands because he's been making lots and lots of
Speaker 2: videos in many places, encouraging the idea that lucid dreaming
Speaker 2: is the perfect chance to do all sorts of things
Speaker 2: and could be utilized by people who experience, you know,
Speaker 2: paralysis for one reason or another, and they could use
Speaker 2: their dream life to experience things that they are unable
Speaker 2: to in their waking world, which is a you know,
Speaker 2: and that's a It reminds me of what Elon Musk
Speaker 2: is trying to do with some of the brain interface
Speaker 2: stuff and with other people who are pioneers in the
Speaker 2: research of computer brain interfaces. Just in this case, it's
Speaker 2: brain to dream interface.
Speaker 3: Doesn't It just seem though, guys, that the way we
Speaker 3: experience dreams. And this is also something that like gets
Speaker 3: you know, dramatized a lot in films, Like there's a
Speaker 3: term dream logic that exists for a reason. I just
Speaker 3: can't it seems like even if you were able to
Speaker 3: like quote unquote infiltrate somebody else's dreams or have some
Speaker 3: sort of shared dreaming experience, would you even understand one another, Like,
Speaker 3: would you be able to like, I can't control my
Speaker 3: dreams with my mind that it's kind of happened, Like
Speaker 3: it just seems like there's a randomness involved in what
Speaker 3: dreams you know, present to us.
Speaker 4: What if you're dreaming right now, well that's okay, fair enough, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean no, it's I'm waxing philosophical. I know we've
Speaker 4: got to move on, so I'll keep it brief. But
Speaker 4: you raise an excellent point. No, the idea of communication
Speaker 4: in waking space is already fraught with a lot of misinterpretation, right,
Speaker 4: And sometimes, as I've mentioned in a previous it was
Speaker 4: either one of these or an episode. We're often speaking
Speaker 4: to our idea of a person when we're awake, right,
Speaker 4: And it reminds me of the old the old trope,
Speaker 4: which I don't know how much science there is behind this,
Speaker 4: but the old trope is that you never meet a
Speaker 4: stranger in a dream because they are all some facet
Speaker 4: of oneself. Now, if this kind of communication two way
Speaker 4: street stuff can recur, meaning if brains can reciprocate communication
Speaker 4: with each other in a dream state, then it also
Speaker 4: logically means it would be possible to do so in
Speaker 4: a waking state, which could be great for connecting with people.
Speaker 4: I'm being a little optimistic there, but I'm always trying
Speaker 4: to be positive.
Speaker 2: There we go, We'll shout out to my projection of
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Speaker 4: And we have returned. An interesting thing happened out in
Speaker 4: the dark of our correspondence, a thing that I hope
Speaker 4: we all enjoy. We got a response to a classic
Speaker 4: episode we did on the concept of chimera quite recently.
Speaker 4: Chimera just being loosely defined as an agglomeration of various
Speaker 4: different living things, and it harkens back to the ancient
Speaker 4: myths of the chimera of old. So we received an
Speaker 4: excellent letter that launched a discourse between us and our
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist, Colby Jack Cheese, who says, call me Colby
Speaker 4: Jack Cheese, and you can read this aloud if you like.
Speaker 4: With that out of the way, I just got listening
Speaker 4: to the chimera classic and this is something I've rolled
Speaker 4: around in my head quite a bit because it's an
Speaker 4: extremely interesting question. Let's get to it. Getting new organs
Speaker 4: from animals, says Colby Jack, is going to be a
Speaker 4: godsend for people who need them, and I would argue
Speaker 4: that it is the right thing to do. Saving lives
Speaker 4: via organ transplant is an incredible thing to do. But
Speaker 4: what about the cosmetic end If you could, says Colby,
Speaker 4: would you get feline ears or the claws of an eagle,
Speaker 4: or maybe the tail of a creature only if it's
Speaker 4: prehensile Colby, just being honest with you. A lot of money,
Speaker 4: says Colby, could be made with this type of mutation
Speaker 4: or surgery. But before all of that, think of the
Speaker 4: military applications. Give soldiers animal eyes so they can see
Speaker 4: in low light situations, no need for heavy night vision goggles.
Speaker 4: Maybe you have an altered human in your squad that
Speaker 4: can hear things that your human ears can't process, or
Speaker 4: something that can move faster than you can register. I'm
Speaker 4: paraphrasing a bit here, You get the point, says Colby.
Speaker 4: Jack The only thing that is stopping this in our
Speaker 4: current timeline is someone with a mind numbingly big bank account,
Speaker 4: some curious doctors, and someone who can lack some laws
Speaker 4: for X, Y or Z reason. I don't think this
Speaker 4: will happen in the good old USA. We're becoming the
Speaker 4: uncle that is stuck in our ways and watching too
Speaker 4: much television currently making the world where this line has
Speaker 4: been crossed, and the aftermath of it fascinates all of us.
Speaker 4: Love what you guys do keeping me out of my
Speaker 4: own head. What I need to hear someone else. Much
Speaker 4: love from me to you, happy turning of the calendar,
Speaker 4: and all of the other excuses we use to party
Speaker 4: at the lip of this volcano. Colby, Jack Cheese, love.
Speaker 3: The ending right, It's beautiful. Absolutely so, we.
Speaker 4: Responded to Colby and Colby, you really got our gears
Speaker 4: turning got us cooking with gas. Because this is a
Speaker 4: thread that we've explored in previous episodes and previous investigations.
Speaker 4: This kind of technology typically rolls out in a three
Speaker 4: step process. First, you are absolutely right, You are absolutely right, dude.
Speaker 4: The government or military industrial complex gets something like this
Speaker 4: up and running, tip of the cap to DARPA. An
Speaker 4: example here would be the very real work that we
Speaker 4: briefly mentioned earlier, going into improving the blood of future warfighters,
Speaker 4: the circulation, how much oxygen can be transmitted, you know,
Speaker 4: increasing the amount of activity they can engage in in
Speaker 4: very hot or very cold environments. That's our first step.
Speaker 4: And if we pause there, if you guys, you listening
Speaker 4: at home most supportly, and you Matt and you knowl
Speaker 4: and Dylan get in here. If you can. If you
Speaker 4: could pick one physical modification to your body found in
Speaker 4: other animals, what would it be or would you say,
Speaker 4: now I'm keeping it one hundred.
Speaker 3: That is tough. I'm going to think about this for
Speaker 3: one second. Well, I do point out that there's a
Speaker 3: film from twenty twenty the didn't hear much about it
Speaker 3: that looks like it's very good, but starring Jamie Fox
Speaker 3: called Project Power. That's about a serum that gives people
Speaker 3: animal abilities, like you know, the cunning of a wolverine
Speaker 3: is exactly. Yeah, for sure. I'm surprised that nobody's, nobody
Speaker 3: else has done this. And then I didn't hear much
Speaker 3: about this, but I was literally doing that thing where
Speaker 3: you google animal powers, movie action, you know whatever, and
Speaker 3: this is what popped up. But I think you're referring
Speaker 3: to the.
Speaker 6: Pistol shrimp, is what it says here, something called a
Speaker 6: pistol shrimp, which I don't even know what that is, wolverine,
Speaker 6: wolverine frog, and also a chameleon, which is chameleon would
Speaker 6: be kind of cool.
Speaker 4: But is there a difference between a pistol shrimp and
Speaker 4: a manta shrimp.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just see it in the in
Speaker 3: the wiki here it's called it calling it a pistol shop.
Speaker 3: Probably not, Ben, you know a little bit more about
Speaker 3: these things, likely than I do. But the wolverine frog
Speaker 3: is literally a hairy frog, which is kind of crazy. Well,
Speaker 3: and its.
Speaker 2: Bones stick out of its feet when it's in danger,
Speaker 2: it breaks.
Speaker 4: Its It breaks its own bones, and they project from
Speaker 4: its skin for an improvised melee weapon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this film takes place in New Orleans and
Speaker 3: also starts Joseph Gordon Levitt, who develops the power to
Speaker 3: harden his skin, making him well proof. I believe that
Speaker 3: is derived from an armadillo. I don't know, man an
Speaker 3: animal one. It's it's so much harder than just a
Speaker 3: general run of the mill's superpower, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Because a lot of animal adaptations wouldn't be beneficial to us.
Speaker 4: And you'd have to think about the implications of the
Speaker 4: rest of your still human system. That's right, gets into
Speaker 4: breathing under water could be tight.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't mean I have to have gills, which is like,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of hideous person.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because liquid oxygen is a thing. But I
Speaker 4: guess you could have gills or you could adapt some
Speaker 4: way to uh consume oxygen via your skin. But then
Speaker 4: you get into the problem of water pressure, like how
Speaker 4: deep can you go because you're still built for land.
Speaker 3: Now you just don't drown.
Speaker 2: Oh guys, I have to tell you. Jamie Fox also
Speaker 2: came to mind when thinking about this, but not for
Speaker 2: that film, for a different one called They Cloned Tyrone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the DARPA experience point Ben Like
Speaker 2: DARPA just getting a hold of some like this. You
Speaker 2: would need multiple versions of the same thing to test
Speaker 2: all the various you know ways that you add things
Speaker 2: to You need the same subject basically in a case study.
Speaker 4: So what we're doing j Jonah Jamison style is pounding
Speaker 4: the desk and saying we need ten clones.
Speaker 2: Of Jamie Fox specific right.
Speaker 4: Well, everybody says that, you know, check out his new
Speaker 4: Netflix special We're big, We're big Fox fans. We do
Speaker 4: also have some breaking news from Tennessee pal Dylan Fagan.
Speaker 4: He simply said, night vision baby, Oh yeah, not bad,
Speaker 4: not bad. That's a common that's a common thing. I
Speaker 4: wonder if you would if you're going ahead to get
Speaker 4: night vision, why not go for the full premium package
Speaker 4: whatever it's been sold as, wherein you can also see
Speaker 4: further into the spectrum of light. So get some in
Speaker 4: th red, some.
Speaker 3: UV, you know, a casion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. And what about you, Matt before
Speaker 4: we move to the second point of this rollout, Do
Speaker 4: you have an animal attribute that you would you would
Speaker 4: consider signing up for.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: It's oceanic based, and I would go with chromatophors.
Speaker 4: Just for the club, you know, Yeah, the cells that
Speaker 4: allow certain cephalapods to change color and texture color specifically
Speaker 4: for chremetaphors.
Speaker 2: I want both, Yeah, I say.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're already subscribing, go all the way
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, right right? So this leads
Speaker 4: us to the second part.
Speaker 2: Wait, what's yours?
Speaker 4: Oh that I don't already have? Yes, immortality, you know,
Speaker 4: check out our earlier episodes on the imperfect immortality of
Speaker 4: I think three different kind of life forms on I
Speaker 4: almost said on the US on Planet Earth.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know that i'd want immortality, but maybe
Speaker 3: like the lifespan of an alligator, you know, or like
Speaker 3: one of those sea turtles, sea turtle exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also maybe the ability to regrow limbs. That could be cool.
Speaker 4: But honestly, I would want to think through this more
Speaker 4: on my own, and I appreciate you asking that. I
Speaker 4: promise all of us fellow conspiracy realists, please be my
Speaker 4: account of Bill of buddies. I will really put some
Speaker 4: time into this and maybe we can return with our
Speaker 4: best picks because I keep thinking of the implications, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like what if the immortality of
Speaker 4: a biological creature is such a fausty embargain spoiler, All
Speaker 4: the current versions of immortality are terrible, They're not great,
Speaker 4: And I don't know. We'll come back maybe in the
Speaker 4: following weeks with some thoughts on this. If we move
Speaker 4: through the way, this kind of technology, which is almost
Speaker 4: inevitable at this point, if we roll through the way,
Speaker 4: it would roll out. Yes, first, government, military, industrial Second,
Speaker 4: your early adopters. These are usually going to be people
Speaker 4: at the top of the socioeconomic pyramid in your neck
Speaker 4: of the global woods, or maybe they'll be patients in
Speaker 4: a public private initiative or some kind of research program.
Speaker 4: They'll get some version of whatever the discovery is, and
Speaker 4: it might be defanged but to prevent rogue superhumans from
Speaker 4: hitting a public square, because imagine that's cinematic, right. What
Speaker 4: if it turns out you could get that wolverine frog
Speaker 4: adaptation and it was super easy. It was like buying
Speaker 4: a five hour energy drink at your gas station. Now
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you got rogue superhumans breaking their
Speaker 4: arms and attempting to rob banks with their wolverine things.
Speaker 4: Also how painful, Yeah, place too.
Speaker 3: And I mean there's certain I guess parts of the
Speaker 3: wolverine mythos or pantheon where I believe he does talk
Speaker 3: about how it hurts.
Speaker 4: It hurts every time, Yeah, Bob. And this is where, okay,
Speaker 4: this second step. An early adopter, you know, like the
Speaker 4: billionaire we talked about obviously, who is trying to live
Speaker 4: forever and treating his son like a blood bag. These
Speaker 4: kind of folks are the demographic that might come in
Speaker 4: to fund research, maybe on a medical condition that's personally
Speaker 4: important to them, or it may be a larger study
Speaker 4: like a great BioMed outfit at an ivy League of
Speaker 4: your choice moves to human subjects. Tricky thing here, Colby Jack,
Speaker 4: is that usually when those kind of experiments occur, just
Speaker 4: being honest, it happens well after the first human experimentation.
Speaker 4: The first human experimentation of this kind of stuff is
Speaker 4: typically going to be soldiers, prisoners, slaves, or other disadvantaged
Speaker 4: populations people without the right of full consent.
Speaker 3: It would totally be soldiers here, right, if it works? Well,
Speaker 3: what are some other X Men characters that have animal powers?
Speaker 3: There's that frog that toad guy, right, yeah, and hop
Speaker 3: and he can't and he and he does have some
Speaker 3: adaptations that are pretty gross, like he's got elongated hansile tongue.
Speaker 3: Are there any others?
Speaker 4: There are a bunch of there are a bunch of
Speaker 4: werewolf type of folks. Oh gosh, your name is Ray.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's uh yeah, there are people who could
Speaker 4: change in the wolves. There are villains like wild Child
Speaker 4: or saber Tooth that have atavistic adaptations. There are people
Speaker 4: who can talk to animals, which is really cool. You
Speaker 4: just say animal Man people who can talk to animals.
Speaker 3: But there's a like more of a Indie Coffee DC
Speaker 3: animal Man, which I believe is a little bit more
Speaker 3: of like a weird one. I don't I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it's more of a cult following.
Speaker 2: Isn't that didn't animal? Am I getting this wrong? Isn't animal?
Speaker 2: Grant Morrison? Or no, yes Morris?
Speaker 4: Uh, there are also I mean there's a ton of
Speaker 4: this stuff, right. Animal empathy is a power. Uh you
Speaker 4: you may feel that you encounter that on your own already.
Speaker 4: There are tons right into us with your favorite ones.
Speaker 4: We got to say, though, the third roll out of
Speaker 4: this or the third iteration, is the most dangerous. It's
Speaker 4: when it becomes available to the public economy of scale,
Speaker 4: commodify it, monetize it.
Speaker 3: And this is tricky.
Speaker 4: I would pose it because I think about this so often.
Speaker 4: When for profit businesses enter the narrative. We are going
Speaker 4: to see subscription models for numerous types of modification. Right,
Speaker 4: what if you can get your bulletproof skin, but to
Speaker 4: avoid organ rejection, you have to, for the rest of
Speaker 4: your life take a daily pill, right, take a daily
Speaker 4: treatment so that your skin, your new skin, does not
Speaker 4: get treated as an interloper in your still.
Speaker 3: Human system and rejected. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then what if the same corporate entity that
Speaker 4: owns a certain type of modification also owns the spinoff
Speaker 4: company that gives you the medicine to survive it?
Speaker 3: We'll sue the pants off of them and then we'll
Speaker 3: sell them pants come right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was a great I'm so sorry we've
Speaker 2: also I know, I always noticed that I miss I
Speaker 2: miss some of the intricacies of y'all's drops that.
Speaker 3: You do, and I just didn't want anyone to think
Speaker 3: that I was taking credit for making that up. It's
Speaker 3: very fun and very appropriate here, but yeah, mister show
Speaker 3: all day long, or like.
Speaker 4: In thirty Rock when they figure out you can uh.
Speaker 4: I think it's thirty Rock referencing the idea that you
Speaker 4: can sell chips that cause diarrhea and still make bank
Speaker 4: as long as your company also sells diarrhea medication in
Speaker 4: the same store.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Diversification, baby integration, but it's.
Speaker 2: The same product. It's like it has fast acting digestive
Speaker 2: problems and then tons of fiber that comes after it.
Speaker 4: Like, what could you tack on? Just like a congressional
Speaker 4: spending bill, you know, you you would get a subscription
Speaker 4: service in some cases. You know, we if we walk
Speaker 4: this out a little bit, we can imagine the problems
Speaker 4: a government or state actor would have negotiating with a
Speaker 4: private company and say, hey, this person is alive because
Speaker 4: they have a transplanted pig's heart, but they can't afford
Speaker 4: the monthly medication. Do they just die as a result
Speaker 4: of not being wealthy. That's a huge cause of death
Speaker 4: in this country already. And we don't need animal superpowers
Speaker 4: to make that real. I don't know, Like, okay, take
Speaker 4: it even further. What if there was a cloning technology.
Speaker 1: You need a new.
Speaker 4: What's a fun thing to need?
Speaker 3: You need a new eye?
Speaker 4: You already got one, but joining you know you want
Speaker 4: the second one back, and you don't want it from
Speaker 4: a stranger, right, that's a little invasive to you. So
Speaker 4: you make a deal to clone a new eye or
Speaker 4: new cornea from your own DNA. This could save billions
Speaker 4: of lives, especially if we're talking about mission critical stuff
Speaker 4: like a heart or lungs. Right, But the clock then
Speaker 4: would be ticking if a company owns this, how do
Speaker 4: we decide who gets to be first in line?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: If there are just very dumb math here. If there
Speaker 4: are ten people who need a new heart grown from
Speaker 4: their own DNA, and we can only do it one
Speaker 4: at a time, how do we order the people? Right?
Speaker 4: How do we decide who gets the new heart? First,
Speaker 4: and who has to gamble on surviving to be number ten?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that any different than the way Oregon
Speaker 3: transplants currently work?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 4: You know, you can pay your way up on that list,
Speaker 4: just like paying extra to skip the line at Disney
Speaker 4: World or recently the Vatican.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Disney World, I mean, I'm sorry that Kno,
Speaker 3: this isn't about that, but they recently introduced a new
Speaker 3: fast pass that's like one thousand dollars or something crazy
Speaker 3: like that. It's just completely becoming a luxury experience. And
Speaker 3: that's just You're right to your point. I only mentioned
Speaker 3: that because these types of add on subscriptions, et cetera
Speaker 3: are just making things prohibitive for certain types of folks,
Speaker 3: just period, you know, whatever they might be.
Speaker 4: And that is true.
Speaker 1: Folks.
Speaker 4: You can now buy a line skip pass at the
Speaker 4: Vatican should you want to visit, Uh yeah, skip the
Speaker 4: line tickets for.
Speaker 3: For the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4: Dare I say a new version of an indulgence too far,
Speaker 4: too far, too far, goes straight to God. So we
Speaker 4: have set a precedent for this commodification of things that
Speaker 4: are inherently crucial to life on Earth, and we see
Speaker 4: that there is already a corrupted global network of organ trading.
Speaker 4: Please check out our Red Market episodes and videos. It's
Speaker 4: so tough, you guys.
Speaker 3: Well, even things like does GLP one medication, you know,
Speaker 3: which is like it's been very, very valuable to a
Speaker 3: lot of people that have struggled with you know, being overweighted,
Speaker 3: et cetera, and it could potentially lead to better health.
Speaker 3: It's not just a completely vain pursuit for many folks.
Speaker 3: We actually had a very interesting conversation with a listener
Speaker 3: about that very thing about how I believe it was
Speaker 3: zet bound or one of those medications really changed their
Speaker 3: life for the better. But we see it being priced
Speaker 3: out for so many people that actually could benefit from it,
Speaker 3: that maybe struggle with chronic obesity, and it's just become
Speaker 3: such a popular thing that it's they can charge whatever
Speaker 3: they want for it, and it's just really something that's
Speaker 3: really only accessible to certain folks. Yeah, it reminds me
Speaker 3: of the excellent work of Jonas Salk. You know, he's
Speaker 3: the guy who decided to be a real bro and
Speaker 3: not to make billions of dollars off forcing people to
Speaker 3: pay for something that could save their lives. Unfortunately, history
Speaker 3: proves that is a choice that not all humans make,
Speaker 3: and we know this will continue. It is so tough
Speaker 3: to make one thousand percent accurate or even one one
Speaker 3: hundred percent accurate keep it predictions in these areas, partially
Speaker 3: due to the secrecy, and that secrecy is a function
Speaker 3: of potential wartime advantages and to your point, Wilby Jack,
Speaker 3: the profoundly dangerous ethical implications. The only reason some of
Speaker 3: this stuff hasn't happened yet is because humanity loosely collectively
Speaker 3: decided to have rules about what could and could not
Speaker 3: be considered evil science. Now, how long will that weird
Speaker 3: gentleman's agreement hold.
Speaker 4: Maybe not as long as we'd like to think.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a really good point, Ben. It reminds me
Speaker 3: of the way so many things that we thought were
Speaker 3: just understood in government were really just a product of
Speaker 3: historical decorum, you know. And all it takes is just
Speaker 3: one bad actor. I guess you could call it to
Speaker 3: break that decorum, and then all bets are off because
Speaker 3: it was never really codified in the first place. It's
Speaker 3: just something that we assume would always be agreed upon
Speaker 3: because of course it would be because it makes sense logically,
Speaker 3: but no, then you just have to have someone that's
Speaker 3: bold enough to flip those norms on their head, and
Speaker 3: then before you know it, you got a doctor Frankenstein situation.
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