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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 4: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 4: they don't want you to know. Congratulations fellow conspiracy realists.

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Speaker 4: If you are joining us the evening this program publishes,

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Speaker 4: we want to be the first to welcome you to Thursday,

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Speaker 4: January sixteenth, twenty twenty five, one of our favorite times

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Speaker 4: of the week. We're going to hear directly from you

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Speaker 4: and your fellow listeners. Limericks rem Space responses to an

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Speaker 4: ongoing conversation with a Shepherds some thought provoking explorations of chimera.

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Speaker 4: But before we do any of that, guys, quick check in.

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Speaker 4: I think we can just say it at the top.

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Speaker 4: We were talking off air about preparation and about whether

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Speaker 4: or not you should keep a pocket knife or a

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Speaker 4: leatherman on your person. Do you guys have any strong

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Speaker 4: stance on that.

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Speaker 3: I've never been a knife carrier. I do have them

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Speaker 3: strategically laid out around my home, but frankly, there are

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Speaker 3: you know whatever. I'm a knife fan. I actually had

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Speaker 3: a couple of knife subscriptions for a while. I have

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Speaker 3: too many knives. I like kitchen and cooking and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I also have a couple of nice pocket knives.

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Speaker 3: And I got a solid leatherman that's great multi tool.

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Speaker 3: But it could certainly end up situation where a leatherman

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Speaker 3: in particular would come in handy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine that being helpful, he said, as

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Speaker 2: he pulled out the badass machete that Ben got him

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Speaker 2: one time.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean we're talking about preparation here, just really quickly.

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Speaker 4: Because Steve from Ohio and a couple of other conspiracy

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Speaker 4: realists of ours wrote in to talk about the tragic

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Speaker 4: death of these two people who went out in the

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Speaker 4: wild searching for Bigfoot. It did not end well for them.

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Speaker 4: They were not prepared for the elements, and in full disclosure,

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Speaker 4: as we're recording this on January eighth, we as a

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Speaker 4: cabal are attempting to figure out whether we can hang

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Speaker 4: out in person on Friday, January tenth, and we're kind

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Speaker 4: of watching the weather.

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Speaker 3: Leaning towards a no, it's looking it's looking like a

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Speaker 3: winter wonderland's coming our way, and our little neck of

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Speaker 3: the woods is not prepared for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, snowpocalyps.

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Speaker 4: Snowpocalyps right right, And we as a city took a

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Speaker 4: lot of heat for that heat. We took a lot

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Speaker 4: fair metropolis of Atlanta is cartoonishly unprepared for that kind

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Speaker 4: of inclement weather. So if we do end up not

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Speaker 4: being able to hang out in person, please just know

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Speaker 4: the five of us are prepared for winter weather. We're

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Speaker 4: a little more concerned about the rest of our surely

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Speaker 4: very cool co residents of Atlanta. But do you guys

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Speaker 4: remember the last snowpocalypse We made a video when we

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Speaker 4: thought we were going to get stranded in our office.

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Speaker 3: I chose not to come to work that day. I

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad I made that decision, But I'm sorry

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Speaker 3: you guys got stuck there. Right as you get home

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Speaker 3: what was the I can't remember how that panned out.

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Speaker 2: We made it, thanks for the help of Josh Clark.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys, you use this helicopter.

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Speaker 4: It's called a Josha cop Okay, got it, that's what

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Speaker 4: he He'll give you a ride, but he demands you

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Speaker 4: call it a josh a coop the whole way, which

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Speaker 4: Ye, and yeah, we had a series of misadventures with that,

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Speaker 4: perhaps story for another evening, but we do have a

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Speaker 4: continuing story regarding the great debate of what Michael Polland

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Speaker 4: calls the omnivores dilemma to eat to not eat, and

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Speaker 4: what to eat should one choose. So we'll pause for

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Speaker 4: a word from our sponsor, and then no, we're going

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Speaker 4: to hear from one of our fellow conspiracy realists who

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Speaker 4: responded to our discourse with a shepherd in Europe.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, and we've returned and as ben so as Stuteley

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Speaker 3: it what you will. Yeah, we're gonna kind of continue

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Speaker 3: a conversation about the idea of permaculture, the idea of

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Speaker 4: Towers, right or the yeah over in China, the idea

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Speaker 3: And I think the question that came up amongst the

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Speaker 3: not why do something like this with pork? With pigs?

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Speaker 3: It seems so inhumane and unsustainable and all of that.

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Speaker 3: call the human race? And Ben, I believe you, on

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Speaker 3: a recent listener mail read what I think it sounds

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you know? In our weekly listener

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Speaker 3: mail segment, we spoke with a shepherd who is based

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Speaker 3: in Europe, right, and their argument was, look, as a shepherd,

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Speaker 3: with my first hand experience, I believe that the world

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Speaker 3: would not be better if every human being on the

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Speaker 3: planet was vegetarian. It would not be better. Got it perfect, Ben,

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Speaker 3: That is a great summation. And if you want to

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Speaker 4: This would be the day after what cool Christmas? December

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Speaker 3: Gotcha. Thank you for that additional detail, Ben, So do

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Speaker 3: check that out. It's an interesting conversation out of itself.

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Speaker 3: But here we have a response from mister Wiggles. This

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Speaker 3: is a lovely name for a listener or a childhood pet.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps this is a character, mister Wiggles. There there's The Wiggles,

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Speaker 3: which was a popular children's program. Mister Wiggles as a wow,

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Speaker 3: not so much. There's the Wiggles. That's the kids show.

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Speaker 3: This is mister Wiggles writing to us in response to

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Speaker 3: the shepherd's response, or the shepherd's dilemma. I just I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: It just sounds like a thing that should exist. Here

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Speaker 3: that the shepherd's point is wrong. Let's say the way

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Speaker 3: he or she is raising animals keeps biodiversity of the

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Speaker 3: So there's some extra efficiency in just eating the plant

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Speaker 3: general because of efficiency gains regards Mister Wiggles and mister

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Speaker 3: Wiggles very helpfully included a couple of resources a very

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Speaker 3: cool article on the Washington Post. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm sorry, off, I was having tons of

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Speaker 3: so Ben, thank for popping that up, but I would

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Speaker 3: check that one out. But we're going to talk mainly

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Speaker 3: for sustenance. But guys, I just wanted to throw it

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Speaker 3: see mister Wiggles's point? Ben? I know you had some

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Speaker 3: Where do you guys kind of land on this? And

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Speaker 3: Why not if we're planning on if we're thinking about

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Speaker 3: food scarcity, and we're thinking about steps that can be

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Speaker 3: taken to prevent future food scarcity and potential starvation, why

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Speaker 3: not farm something that's better for the environment and more sustainable.

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Speaker 3: And I guess the answer is, you know, capitalism. But

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Speaker 3: what do you guys think?

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Speaker 4: first off, mister Wiggles, you and I are pretty much

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Speaker 4: on the same page. In our previous listener mail conversation,

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Speaker 4: I had conceded Shepherd's point with several crucial caveats, and

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Speaker 4: one of those big caveats is the danger of growing

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Speaker 4: It damages biodiversity, and it additionally can be terrible for

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Speaker 4: the soil. As a matter of fact, monocropping or monocroppery,

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, notice the last thing that com Visit Vaka

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Speaker 2: on the air, just like that, you guys. Targeted dreams,

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited, Cabezit Devaka, because oh well, I don't

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Speaker 3: It's of that level that wow factor there, you know.

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Speaker 2: So this company, which if you couldn't understand in that

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Speaker 2: Well, if we want to understand the technology, you can

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Speaker 2: You can find the about page that says about Michael

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Speaker 2: Michael Reduga is an interesting character that we're gonna reveal

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Speaker 2: But this guy is he is well known in this space.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, he's been experimenting in many different ways with

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Speaker 2: He's written a lot of books. You can find them.

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Speaker 2: Many of them are just translations of the same book.

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Speaker 2: The primary book you can find is titled The Phase Phase.

433
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: It is a guide book for lucid dreaming and out

434
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: of body travel. There's a lot of praise and a

435
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: lot of criticism for this book and the ideas and

436
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: theories that it contains. You can look all of that

437
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: up on your own. It is also important to state

438
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: that remspace has an app as well as something called

439
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Speaker 2: Lucid me Echo, which is a dietary supplement for Lucid dreaming.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, you lost me a dietary supplement, bro I

441
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: was on board, And so it just seems like a

442
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: red flag, don't you think.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of what I'm trying to say here

444
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: without outright seeing it. You know, take that information as

445
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: you will. If you have the same feeling as NOL,

446
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: you have the same feeling as me, where it's like, oh, okay,

447
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: what is this company and what are they doing? But

448
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: then you also have to you imagine, what if you

449
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Speaker 2: are a company that's attempting to help people reach LUCID

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Speaker 2: dream states, and what if there actually is some kind

451
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Speaker 2: of supplement that can assist in that, then that would

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Speaker 2: be awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's true, I think supplement it just becomes such a

454
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Speaker 3: buzzword for scam. I don't know, maybe that's just me

455
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Speaker 3: being jaded, because I sure would love to believe that

456
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Speaker 3: this thing was possible somewhere down the line.

457
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's just you. So this is what

458
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Speaker 2: I would do next. I would point everybody towards the

459
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Speaker 2: Instagram page of Michael Riduga. It is at Michael Underscore

460
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Speaker 2: Rduga And on that Instagram account you can find posts

461
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Speaker 2: from October and I think October is the best one

462
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: to look at October and yeah, October eighth, there is

463
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Speaker 2: a video that tries to an animation, let's say, that

464
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: attempts to explain how this technology functions, just by showing

465
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Speaker 2: where the signals are coming from and going. And then

466
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Speaker 2: there's a picture of the two sleep study participants, both

467
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Speaker 2: in their separate beds wearing this technology that you know,

468
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Speaker 2: these are allegedly the two people that sent signals. And

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Speaker 2: the next thing over is a diagram basically that shows

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Speaker 2: how these signals travel. Right, so imagine from an engineer's perspective,

471
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Speaker 2: this is how these signals actually go and how the

472
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Speaker 2: one dreamer gets a signal that then makes the other

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Speaker 2: dreamer send a signal that is supposed to be the

474
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Speaker 2: same signal. And that's how you know communication has occurred. Then, guys,

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Speaker 2: for the last thing, we have to jump to something

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Speaker 2: from the Daily Mail that was posted in July twenty

477
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Speaker 2: twenty three, and here's the title. Russian researcher with cult

478
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Speaker 2: following claims to have implanted a chip into his brain

479
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Speaker 2: in the hope of controlling his dreams by performing surgery

480
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Speaker 2: on himself at home. Okay, so this story is about

481
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: a time when the CEO of Rems Sleep, Michael Reduga,

482
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: bought a drill like a drill you can buy at

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Speaker 2: a store, and then proceeded to drill a hole in

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Speaker 2: the top of his skull, wherein he lost a leader

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Speaker 2: of blood and then he implanted a chip into his

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Speaker 2: own brain and then had to go to the hospital

487
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Speaker 2: for quite a while.

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Speaker 3: It's like some mad scientist level stuff right there.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of the film Pie a bit. Oh yeah, right,

490
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: And you can read all about this. You can read

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Speaker 2: about mister Riduga's you know, reasons for doing this and

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Speaker 2: why he wanted to and felt like he kind of

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00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: had to. It's the actions I would say of somebody

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Speaker 2: that either you know, doesn't care about the risks to

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Speaker 2: their own life with performing that kind of thing because

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Speaker 2: what they're pursuing feels like it's so important, or if

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00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: somebody just isn't thinking right unfortunately, because that kind of

498
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: action is extremely not only dangerous, it's deadly most of

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Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, exactly. And by the way, he did

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Speaker 2: have to go like he did have to go in

501
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: and remove that chip. He had to have it removed

502
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: because he was threatening his life. So not a great idea.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you guys think about all this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Cobza Devaka, thank you so much for taking the

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Speaker 4: time to reach out. A book recommendation that I think

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Speaker 4: we may all enjoy in this regard because dreams are

507
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: an amazing thing and not limited to humans, is a

508
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: book by an MIT professor of I think physics and

509
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: creative writing. A guy named Alan Leimann wrote a fantastic

510
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: book called Einstein's Dreams, and if you are at all

511
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: interested in these sorts of high concepts, please do check

512
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 4: out Einstein's Dreams. We're not being paid to say so, Matt.

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Speaker 4: I believe one of the interesting things here in Cabeza Devaka.

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Speaker 4: You clocked this as well, I'm sure, is the creation

515
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Speaker 4: of a specific language for communication. And this occurs in

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Speaker 4: step with the recent breakthroughs in brain I was said

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Speaker 4: brain reading, but you know, neuro monitoring, wherein a human

518
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: being or a human brain can and be given a

519
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: prompt like think of a square, and the brain will

520
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: think of a square, will picture the image, you know,

521
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: in its own headspace, and then scientists have figured out

522
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: how to process or translate that image. So the idea

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00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: of this happening in lucid dreaming is fascinating. We have

524
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: to add to that the idea that this could potentially

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00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: be non consensually deployed in the future. You see the

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00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: earlier conversation about the nature dreams and Core's ads. One

527
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 4: thing that's standing out to be here in kbize devake,

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Speaker 4: Well do you write with your ideas on this? Love

529
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: from everybody on this the diet, right, we were rightly

530
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 4: exercising skepticism regarding the idea of supplements making someone more

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00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: conducive to lucid dreaming. However, it's a long standing thing

532
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: or belief in many cultures that certain foods, especially dairy products,

533
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: can alter your dreams. What is that Clay Nation show

534
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: about cheese whe where if you cheese you get weird dreams. Anyway,

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00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: you guys know what I'm referencing, right, the idea that

536
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: consume me certain spicy food food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

537
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: always heard. I always heard cheese could do it. So

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00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: maybe big Cheese needs to throw their big Parma needs

539
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: to throw their throw their funding toward this dream research.

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00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: But I love this stuff. I hope it continues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: The lucid me echo formula, according to the website, increases

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00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: the synthesis and concentration of acetyl coaline ace e T

544
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Speaker 2: y L C h O L I n E, which

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00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: is a neurotransmitter according to the website that strengthens rem

546
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Speaker 2: sleep and maintains it even in the presence of consciousness.

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00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: So that's a little I don't know, sounds like the

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00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: sleepwalking thing that a lot of people experience when they,

549
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, take certain sleep drugs.

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00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: Definitely right, like what is it Lunesta and things like

551
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: that where you make weird food in a few state

552
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night.

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00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mmmmmm. Well, there's lots to lots of roads

554
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: to go down with this if you want to kind

555
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: of follow the trail on your own, I would say.

556
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: The Daily Mail article references that mister Raduga is not

557
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: a doctor, but his previous work has attracted the attention

558
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: of thousands because he's been making lots and lots of

559
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: videos in many places, encouraging the idea that lucid dreaming

560
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: is the perfect chance to do all sorts of things

561
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: and could be utilized by people who experience, you know,

562
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: paralysis for one reason or another, and they could use

563
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: their dream life to experience things that they are unable

564
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: to in their waking world, which is a you know,

565
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: and that's a It reminds me of what Elon Musk

566
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Speaker 2: is trying to do with some of the brain interface

567
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: stuff and with other people who are pioneers in the

568
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: research of computer brain interfaces. Just in this case, it's

569
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: brain to dream interface.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't It just seem though, guys, that the way we

571
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: experience dreams. And this is also something that like gets

572
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, dramatized a lot in films, Like there's a

573
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: term dream logic that exists for a reason. I just

574
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Speaker 3: can't it seems like even if you were able to

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Speaker 3: like quote unquote infiltrate somebody else's dreams or have some

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Speaker 3: sort of shared dreaming experience, would you even understand one another, Like,

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Speaker 3: would you be able to like, I can't control my

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Speaker 3: dreams with my mind that it's kind of happened, Like

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Speaker 3: it just seems like there's a randomness involved in what

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Speaker 3: dreams you know, present to us.

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Speaker 4: What if you're dreaming right now, well that's okay, fair enough, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean no, it's I'm waxing philosophical. I know we've

583
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: got to move on, so I'll keep it brief. But

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00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: you raise an excellent point. No, the idea of communication

585
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 4: in waking space is already fraught with a lot of misinterpretation, right,

586
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: And sometimes, as I've mentioned in a previous it was

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Speaker 4: either one of these or an episode. We're often speaking

588
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: to our idea of a person when we're awake, right,

589
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: And it reminds me of the old the old trope,

590
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: which I don't know how much science there is behind this,

591
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: but the old trope is that you never meet a

592
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: stranger in a dream because they are all some facet

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00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: of oneself. Now, if this kind of communication two way

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00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: street stuff can recur, meaning if brains can reciprocate communication

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00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: with each other in a dream state, then it also

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00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: logically means it would be possible to do so in

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Speaker 4: a waking state, which could be great for connecting with people.

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00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm being a little optimistic there, but I'm always trying

599
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: to be positive.

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Speaker 2: There we go, We'll shout out to my projection of

601
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: Stephen Lang that existed in my brain this morning. He

602
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: was your spirit guide. Yes, tell us about all of this.

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00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: You can contact us. We'll tell you how to do

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00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the episode. For now, we'll hear

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Speaker 2: a quick word from our sponsor and be right back

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Speaker 2: with more messages from you.

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Speaker 4: And we have returned. An interesting thing happened out in

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Speaker 4: the dark of our correspondence, a thing that I hope

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Speaker 4: we all enjoy. We got a response to a classic

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00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: episode we did on the concept of chimera quite recently.

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Speaker 4: Chimera just being loosely defined as an agglomeration of various

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00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: different living things, and it harkens back to the ancient

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00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: myths of the chimera of old. So we received an

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00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: excellent letter that launched a discourse between us and our

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00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist, Colby Jack Cheese, who says, call me Colby

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00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: Jack Cheese, and you can read this aloud if you like.

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00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: With that out of the way, I just got listening

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00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 4: to the chimera classic and this is something I've rolled

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Speaker 4: around in my head quite a bit because it's an

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00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 4: extremely interesting question. Let's get to it. Getting new organs

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Speaker 4: from animals, says Colby Jack, is going to be a

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00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: godsend for people who need them, and I would argue

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Speaker 4: that it is the right thing to do. Saving lives

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00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: via organ transplant is an incredible thing to do. But

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00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 4: what about the cosmetic end If you could, says Colby,

626
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 4: would you get feline ears or the claws of an eagle,

627
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: or maybe the tail of a creature only if it's

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00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 4: prehensile Colby, just being honest with you. A lot of money,

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Speaker 4: says Colby, could be made with this type of mutation

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00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: or surgery. But before all of that, think of the

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00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: military applications. Give soldiers animal eyes so they can see

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00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 4: in low light situations, no need for heavy night vision goggles.

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00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: Maybe you have an altered human in your squad that

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00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 4: can hear things that your human ears can't process, or

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Speaker 4: something that can move faster than you can register. I'm

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: paraphrasing a bit here, You get the point, says Colby.

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Speaker 4: Jack The only thing that is stopping this in our

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00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: current timeline is someone with a mind numbingly big bank account,

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00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: some curious doctors, and someone who can lack some laws

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00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: for X, Y or Z reason. I don't think this

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00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: will happen in the good old USA. We're becoming the

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: uncle that is stuck in our ways and watching too

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00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: much television currently making the world where this line has

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00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: been crossed, and the aftermath of it fascinates all of us.

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Speaker 4: Love what you guys do keeping me out of my

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00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: own head. What I need to hear someone else. Much

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00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: love from me to you, happy turning of the calendar,

648
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: and all of the other excuses we use to party

649
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: at the lip of this volcano. Colby, Jack Cheese, love.

650
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: The ending right, It's beautiful. Absolutely so, we.

651
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: Responded to Colby and Colby, you really got our gears

652
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: turning got us cooking with gas. Because this is a

653
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 4: thread that we've explored in previous episodes and previous investigations.

654
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: This kind of technology typically rolls out in a three

655
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 4: step process. First, you are absolutely right, You are absolutely right, dude.

656
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: The government or military industrial complex gets something like this

657
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 4: up and running, tip of the cap to DARPA. An

658
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: example here would be the very real work that we

659
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: briefly mentioned earlier, going into improving the blood of future warfighters,

660
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 4: the circulation, how much oxygen can be transmitted, you know,

661
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: increasing the amount of activity they can engage in in

662
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: very hot or very cold environments. That's our first step.

663
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 4: And if we pause there, if you guys, you listening

664
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 4: at home most supportly, and you Matt and you knowl

665
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: and Dylan get in here. If you can. If you

666
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: could pick one physical modification to your body found in

667
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: other animals, what would it be or would you say,

668
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: now I'm keeping it one hundred.

669
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: That is tough. I'm going to think about this for

670
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: one second. Well, I do point out that there's a

671
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: film from twenty twenty the didn't hear much about it

672
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: that looks like it's very good, but starring Jamie Fox

673
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: called Project Power. That's about a serum that gives people

674
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: animal abilities, like you know, the cunning of a wolverine

675
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: is exactly. Yeah, for sure. I'm surprised that nobody's, nobody

676
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: else has done this. And then I didn't hear much

677
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: about this, but I was literally doing that thing where

678
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: you google animal powers, movie action, you know whatever, and

679
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: this is what popped up. But I think you're referring

680
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: to the.

681
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 6: Pistol shrimp, is what it says here, something called a

682
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 6: pistol shrimp, which I don't even know what that is, wolverine,

683
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 6: wolverine frog, and also a chameleon, which is chameleon would

684
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 6: be kind of cool.

685
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: But is there a difference between a pistol shrimp and

686
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: a manta shrimp.

687
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just see it in the in

688
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: the wiki here it's called it calling it a pistol shop.

689
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: Probably not, Ben, you know a little bit more about

690
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 3: these things, likely than I do. But the wolverine frog

691
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 3: is literally a hairy frog, which is kind of crazy. Well,

692
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: and its.

693
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: Bones stick out of its feet when it's in danger,

694
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: it breaks.

695
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: Its It breaks its own bones, and they project from

696
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: its skin for an improvised melee weapon.

697
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this film takes place in New Orleans and

698
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: also starts Joseph Gordon Levitt, who develops the power to

699
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: harden his skin, making him well proof. I believe that

700
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: is derived from an armadillo. I don't know, man an

701
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: animal one. It's it's so much harder than just a

702
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: general run of the mill's superpower, you know what I mean,

703
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 3: Because a lot of animal adaptations wouldn't be beneficial to us.

704
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: And you'd have to think about the implications of the

705
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: rest of your still human system. That's right, gets into

706
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: breathing under water could be tight.

707
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: You wouldn't mean I have to have gills, which is like,

708
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, kind of hideous person.

709
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because liquid oxygen is a thing. But I

710
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: guess you could have gills or you could adapt some

711
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: way to uh consume oxygen via your skin. But then

712
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: you get into the problem of water pressure, like how

713
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: deep can you go because you're still built for land.

714
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: Now you just don't drown.

715
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: Oh guys, I have to tell you. Jamie Fox also

716
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: came to mind when thinking about this, but not for

717
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: that film, for a different one called They Cloned Tyrone.

718
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually pretty good.

719
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the DARPA experience point Ben Like

720
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: DARPA just getting a hold of some like this. You

721
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: would need multiple versions of the same thing to test

722
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: all the various you know ways that you add things

723
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 2: to You need the same subject basically in a case study.

724
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 4: So what we're doing j Jonah Jamison style is pounding

725
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: the desk and saying we need ten clones.

726
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: Of Jamie Fox specific right.

727
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: Well, everybody says that, you know, check out his new

728
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: Netflix special We're big, We're big Fox fans. We do

729
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: also have some breaking news from Tennessee pal Dylan Fagan.

730
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: He simply said, night vision baby, Oh yeah, not bad,

731
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: not bad. That's a common that's a common thing. I

732
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: wonder if you would if you're going ahead to get

733
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 4: night vision, why not go for the full premium package

734
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: whatever it's been sold as, wherein you can also see

735
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: further into the spectrum of light. So get some in

736
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: th red, some.

737
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: UV, you know, a casion.

738
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. And what about you, Matt before

739
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: we move to the second point of this rollout, Do

740
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: you have an animal attribute that you would you would

741
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 4: consider signing up for.

742
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: I do.

743
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I do.

744
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: It's oceanic based, and I would go with chromatophors.

745
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 4: Just for the club, you know, Yeah, the cells that

746
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: allow certain cephalapods to change color and texture color specifically

747
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: for chremetaphors.

748
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: I want both, Yeah, I say.

749
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: You know, if you're already subscribing, go all the way

750
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, right right? So this leads

751
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 4: us to the second part.

752
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Wait, what's yours?

753
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: Oh that I don't already have? Yes, immortality, you know,

754
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: check out our earlier episodes on the imperfect immortality of

755
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: I think three different kind of life forms on I

756
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: almost said on the US on Planet Earth.

757
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know that i'd want immortality, but maybe

758
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: like the lifespan of an alligator, you know, or like

759
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: one of those sea turtles, sea turtle exactly.

760
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

761
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 4: Also maybe the ability to regrow limbs. That could be cool.

762
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: But honestly, I would want to think through this more

763
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: on my own, and I appreciate you asking that. I

764
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: promise all of us fellow conspiracy realists, please be my

765
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: account of Bill of buddies. I will really put some

766
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: time into this and maybe we can return with our

767
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: best picks because I keep thinking of the implications, you

768
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like what if the immortality of

769
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: a biological creature is such a fausty embargain spoiler, All

770
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: the current versions of immortality are terrible, They're not great,

771
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: And I don't know. We'll come back maybe in the

772
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: following weeks with some thoughts on this. If we move

773
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 4: through the way, this kind of technology, which is almost

774
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: inevitable at this point, if we roll through the way,

775
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 4: it would roll out. Yes, first, government, military, industrial Second,

776
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: your early adopters. These are usually going to be people

777
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: at the top of the socioeconomic pyramid in your neck

778
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: of the global woods, or maybe they'll be patients in

779
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: a public private initiative or some kind of research program.

780
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: They'll get some version of whatever the discovery is, and

781
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: it might be defanged but to prevent rogue superhumans from

782
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 4: hitting a public square, because imagine that's cinematic, right. What

783
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: if it turns out you could get that wolverine frog

784
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: adaptation and it was super easy. It was like buying

785
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: a five hour energy drink at your gas station. Now

786
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you got rogue superhumans breaking their

787
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 4: arms and attempting to rob banks with their wolverine things.

788
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: Also how painful, Yeah, place too.

789
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: And I mean there's certain I guess parts of the

790
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: wolverine mythos or pantheon where I believe he does talk

791
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: about how it hurts.

792
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: It hurts every time, Yeah, Bob. And this is where, okay,

793
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: this second step. An early adopter, you know, like the

794
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: billionaire we talked about obviously, who is trying to live

795
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: forever and treating his son like a blood bag. These

796
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 4: kind of folks are the demographic that might come in

797
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: to fund research, maybe on a medical condition that's personally

798
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: important to them, or it may be a larger study

799
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: like a great BioMed outfit at an ivy League of

800
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: your choice moves to human subjects. Tricky thing here, Colby Jack,

801
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: is that usually when those kind of experiments occur, just

802
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 4: being honest, it happens well after the first human experimentation.

803
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: The first human experimentation of this kind of stuff is

804
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: typically going to be soldiers, prisoners, slaves, or other disadvantaged

805
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 4: populations people without the right of full consent.

806
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: It would totally be soldiers here, right, if it works? Well,

807
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: what are some other X Men characters that have animal powers?

808
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 3: There's that frog that toad guy, right, yeah, and hop

809
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: and he can't and he and he does have some

810
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: adaptations that are pretty gross, like he's got elongated hansile tongue.

811
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: Are there any others?

812
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: There are a bunch of there are a bunch of

813
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 4: werewolf type of folks. Oh gosh, your name is Ray.

814
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's uh yeah, there are people who could

815
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 4: change in the wolves. There are villains like wild Child

816
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: or saber Tooth that have atavistic adaptations. There are people

817
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: who can talk to animals, which is really cool. You

818
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: just say animal Man people who can talk to animals.

819
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 3: But there's a like more of a Indie Coffee DC

820
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: animal Man, which I believe is a little bit more

821
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: of like a weird one. I don't I don't know,

822
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: but it's more of a cult following.

823
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: Isn't that didn't animal? Am I getting this wrong? Isn't animal?

824
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: Grant Morrison? Or no, yes Morris?

825
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: Uh, there are also I mean there's a ton of

826
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: this stuff, right. Animal empathy is a power. Uh you

827
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: you may feel that you encounter that on your own already.

828
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: There are tons right into us with your favorite ones.

829
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: We got to say, though, the third roll out of

830
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 4: this or the third iteration, is the most dangerous. It's

831
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 4: when it becomes available to the public economy of scale,

832
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 4: commodify it, monetize it.

833
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: And this is tricky.

834
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: I would pose it because I think about this so often.

835
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: When for profit businesses enter the narrative. We are going

836
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: to see subscription models for numerous types of modification. Right,

837
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 4: what if you can get your bulletproof skin, but to

838
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 4: avoid organ rejection, you have to, for the rest of

839
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: your life take a daily pill, right, take a daily

840
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 4: treatment so that your skin, your new skin, does not

841
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: get treated as an interloper in your still.

842
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: Human system and rejected. Yeah.

843
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then what if the same corporate entity that

844
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: owns a certain type of modification also owns the spinoff

845
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: company that gives you the medicine to survive it?

846
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: We'll sue the pants off of them and then we'll

847
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: sell them pants come right.

848
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was a great I'm so sorry we've

849
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: also I know, I always noticed that I miss I

850
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: miss some of the intricacies of y'all's drops that.

851
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: You do, and I just didn't want anyone to think

852
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: that I was taking credit for making that up. It's

853
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 3: very fun and very appropriate here, but yeah, mister show

854
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: all day long, or like.

855
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: In thirty Rock when they figure out you can uh.

856
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 4: I think it's thirty Rock referencing the idea that you

857
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 4: can sell chips that cause diarrhea and still make bank

858
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: as long as your company also sells diarrhea medication in

859
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: the same store.

860
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: Dude, that's amazing.

861
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 3: Diversification, baby integration, but it's.

862
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: The same product. It's like it has fast acting digestive

863
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: problems and then tons of fiber that comes after it.

864
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Speaker 4: Like, what could you tack on? Just like a congressional

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Speaker 4: spending bill, you know, you you would get a subscription

866
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Speaker 4: service in some cases. You know, we if we walk

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Speaker 4: this out a little bit, we can imagine the problems

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Speaker 4: a government or state actor would have negotiating with a

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Speaker 4: private company and say, hey, this person is alive because

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Speaker 4: they have a transplanted pig's heart, but they can't afford

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Speaker 4: the monthly medication. Do they just die as a result

872
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Speaker 4: of not being wealthy. That's a huge cause of death

873
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Speaker 4: in this country already. And we don't need animal superpowers

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Speaker 4: to make that real. I don't know, Like, okay, take

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Speaker 4: it even further. What if there was a cloning technology.

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Speaker 1: You need a new.

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Speaker 4: What's a fun thing to need?

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Speaker 3: You need a new eye?

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Speaker 4: You already got one, but joining you know you want

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Speaker 4: the second one back, and you don't want it from

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Speaker 4: a stranger, right, that's a little invasive to you. So

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Speaker 4: you make a deal to clone a new eye or

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Speaker 4: new cornea from your own DNA. This could save billions

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Speaker 4: of lives, especially if we're talking about mission critical stuff

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Speaker 4: like a heart or lungs. Right, But the clock then

886
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Speaker 4: would be ticking if a company owns this, how do

887
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Speaker 4: we decide who gets to be first in line?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: If there are just very dumb math here. If there

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Speaker 4: are ten people who need a new heart grown from

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Speaker 4: their own DNA, and we can only do it one

892
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Speaker 4: at a time, how do we order the people? Right?

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Speaker 4: How do we decide who gets the new heart? First,

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Speaker 4: and who has to gamble on surviving to be number ten?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that any different than the way Oregon

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Speaker 3: transplants currently work?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can pay your way up on that list,

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Speaker 4: just like paying extra to skip the line at Disney

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Speaker 4: World or recently the Vatican.

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Disney World, I mean, I'm sorry that Kno,

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Speaker 3: this isn't about that, but they recently introduced a new

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Speaker 3: fast pass that's like one thousand dollars or something crazy

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00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: like that. It's just completely becoming a luxury experience. And

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Speaker 3: that's just You're right to your point. I only mentioned

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Speaker 3: that because these types of add on subscriptions, et cetera

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Speaker 3: are just making things prohibitive for certain types of folks,

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Speaker 3: just period, you know, whatever they might be.

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Speaker 4: And that is true.

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Speaker 1: Folks.

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Speaker 4: You can now buy a line skip pass at the

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Speaker 4: Vatican should you want to visit, Uh yeah, skip the

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Speaker 4: line tickets for.

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Speaker 3: For the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 4: Dare I say a new version of an indulgence too far,

917
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: too far, too far, goes straight to God. So we

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Speaker 4: have set a precedent for this commodification of things that

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00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 4: are inherently crucial to life on Earth, and we see

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Speaker 4: that there is already a corrupted global network of organ trading.

921
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Speaker 4: Please check out our Red Market episodes and videos. It's

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Speaker 4: so tough, you guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, even things like does GLP one medication, you know,

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Speaker 3: which is like it's been very, very valuable to a

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Speaker 3: lot of people that have struggled with you know, being overweighted,

926
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Speaker 3: et cetera, and it could potentially lead to better health.

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Speaker 3: It's not just a completely vain pursuit for many folks.

928
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Speaker 3: We actually had a very interesting conversation with a listener

929
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Speaker 3: about that very thing about how I believe it was

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Speaker 3: zet bound or one of those medications really changed their

931
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: life for the better. But we see it being priced

932
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Speaker 3: out for so many people that actually could benefit from it,

933
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Speaker 3: that maybe struggle with chronic obesity, and it's just become

934
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Speaker 3: such a popular thing that it's they can charge whatever

935
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Speaker 3: they want for it, and it's just really something that's

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00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: really only accessible to certain folks. Yeah, it reminds me

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Speaker 3: of the excellent work of Jonas Salk. You know, he's

938
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Speaker 3: the guy who decided to be a real bro and

939
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Speaker 3: not to make billions of dollars off forcing people to

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00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: pay for something that could save their lives. Unfortunately, history

941
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: proves that is a choice that not all humans make,

942
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 3: and we know this will continue. It is so tough

943
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 3: to make one thousand percent accurate or even one one

944
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: hundred percent accurate keep it predictions in these areas, partially

945
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Speaker 3: due to the secrecy, and that secrecy is a function

946
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Speaker 3: of potential wartime advantages and to your point, Wilby Jack,

947
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: the profoundly dangerous ethical implications. The only reason some of

948
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: this stuff hasn't happened yet is because humanity loosely collectively

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00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: decided to have rules about what could and could not

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00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: be considered evil science. Now, how long will that weird

951
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: gentleman's agreement hold.

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00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 4: Maybe not as long as we'd like to think.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a really good point, Ben. It reminds me

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Speaker 3: of the way so many things that we thought were

955
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: just understood in government were really just a product of

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00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: historical decorum, you know. And all it takes is just

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00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: one bad actor. I guess you could call it to

958
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 3: break that decorum, and then all bets are off because

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00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: it was never really codified in the first place. It's

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00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: just something that we assume would always be agreed upon

961
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 3: because of course it would be because it makes sense logically,

962
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: but no, then you just have to have someone that's

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00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: bold enough to flip those norms on their head, and

964
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: then before you know it, you got a doctor Frankenstein situation.

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00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 4: And we won't have time for letters from home this evening,

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00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: But thank you, Humorous Harry copyats Asterisk, thank you, and

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00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 4: thank you for the awesome Limerick Darcy. The last point

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Speaker 4: on this exploration of animal superpowers human modification, which is

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00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: very much on the way. The last point is this,

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00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 4: it may already be happening and the public just doesn't

971
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: know about it yet. We will return with explorations in

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00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 4: this regard in the meantime. Thank you so much, Steve

973
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: from Ohio, Colby, Jack Cheese, Cabisa Devaka, mister Wiggles, and

974
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 4: everybody else who took the time to join us out

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00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: here in the dark. We want to hear from you.

976
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: What is your favorite wait, like, what animal inspired superpower

977
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: would you want? And really think about the implications, Really

978
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: think about how it would affect the rest of your

979
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 4: body entire Write to us, call us on the phone,

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Speaker 4: find us on the internets. Should thou sip thy social needs?

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Speaker 3: Indeed, if you so choose. You can seek us out

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Speaker 3: at the handle conspiracy Stuff, or we exist on Facebook

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Speaker 3: with our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy. Get

984
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Speaker 3: in on the conversation why don't you We'll be waiting

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Speaker 3: for you there. You can also find us that handle

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Speaker 3: on x fka Twitter as well as YouTube, where you

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Speaker 3: can find video content, gloor to Enjoy, on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 3: We are Conspiracy Stuff show, and you can also find

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: this as individual human people on the Internet. We promise

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Speaker 3: we're not bots. You can find me exclusively on Instagram

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Speaker 3: at the handle how now Noel Brown.

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Speaker 4: You can also contact me directly with your animal superpower

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Speaker 4: pitches at www dot DARPA, dot milil forward slash contact.

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Speaker 4: If that doesn't work for you, find me at ben

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Speaker 4: Bullen on Instagram app and Bulan hsw on Twitter or

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Speaker 4: the website Ben Bolin and we'll tell you some more

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Speaker 4: ways to contact us. As a show.

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00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: Matt Frederick underscore, iHeart what he gave it away. That's

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Speaker 2: the real one.

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Speaker 3: Good luck.

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Speaker 2: Ah Hey, we also have a phone number. It's one

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Speaker 2: eight three three st d WYTK.

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Speaker 3: Give us a call.

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Speaker 2: Tell us your dreams. It's cool what epps when you

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Speaker 2: do call in, give yourself a cool nickname and let

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Speaker 2: us know if we can use your name and message

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Speaker 2: on the air. If you've got more to say than

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Speaker 2: could fit in a three minute voicemail, why not instead

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Speaker 2: send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 4: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

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Speaker 4: we receive, and email is one of the best ways

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Speaker 4: to reach out and high five some tentacles with us.

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Speaker 4: us about, don't hold back. There's no limit to how

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