1 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode one seven of the 2 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Hemmor Territory podcast. I'm your host, Brad Roland, coming to 3 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: you in emergency fashion on a Thursday afternoon. It's Halloween afternoon, 4 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: and thank good to someone else was available to do 5 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: this podcast with me. Steven Tolbert's here. Hello, sir, how 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: are you? What's up? 7 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: Buddy? Well, we said as soon as the World Series 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: was over that things would get going pretty quickly. I 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: did not expect the day after the World Series that 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: the Brakes would make one of their arguably one of 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: their biggest questions going into the off season was what 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 2: they were going to do with the spot. I did 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: not expect that to have that answered day one of 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: the off season. But you know that's Alex, and here 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 2: we are. 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: That is Alex, and here we are in emergency fashion 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: to discuss the Braves sending Prhos Hilaire to the Los 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Angeles Angels in exchange for Griffin Canning will diget to that, 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: of course, in reactionary fashion here, but first we should 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: say the top of the show. We are part of 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: the ful Territory network of podcasts. Please go ahead and 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: subscribe to Hammer territory anywhere you find your podcast. We're 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: on Apple, We're on Spotify, and you can even see 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: our shiny faces right now on YouTube, where I would 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: hope that you would like the episode as you're watching it, 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: and please subscribe and tell your friends and look, you 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: and me and Scott did about a fifty minute discussion 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: about two weeks ago on the same podcast feed about 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: the Braves facing this DH conundrum basically where they had 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: too many bodies that were DH's not that they're bad players. 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: They're all good players, include Horse Hilaire. He's a very 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: good DH in a lot of different ways. But that 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: is kind of pretty much the obvious reason why this 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: deal seems to have happened is that the Braves looked 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: at the same thing we did and they realize Horace 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: alaer Kemp by the outfold anymore, we have two dhs 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: and two and a half daches maybe going into the season. 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: So if you want more on that whole topic, listen 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: to that podcast. But Steven, it strikes me like that's 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty much the underlying thing here, right, Like it's 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: just a reaction to that, and the Braves are you know, 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: they're cutting salary too, but more so just addressing a 43 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: spot where they had to make a change of some kind. 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, if so Layer had played better defense, I think 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: there's a world where they don't feel like they have 46 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: to do this. Like if his defense was where the 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: level maybe they thought it was going to be when 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: he got signed or i'm sorry, when he got traded for, 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: they probably could have talked themselves into a scenario where 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: they could kept everybody and just use the depth. But 51 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: his defense was just so atrociously bad. I mean, as 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: bad as any outfitter I've ever seen, quite honestly, and 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: I think they were I think they were stunned by it. 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: I honestly, I do think they thought he could do 55 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: it pass away. I mean obviously they did. They they 56 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: signed it, are they traded for him? So, and I 57 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: think they were stunned by how bad he was. And 58 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: I don't think they had any confidence going forward. I mean, 59 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: you know, we talked about it all in a fifty 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: minute show that the three of us did, and so 61 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: this was I mean we said it that night. This 62 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: was the inevitable conclusion to this is that one of 63 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: these guys was going to get moved. It was very 64 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: unlikely that it was going to be Ozuna. You know, 65 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: the Braves love Marcelo Zuna. He's adored in that club palace. 66 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: He obviously was the best hitter on the team last year, 67 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: and he's you know, almost certainly going to pick up 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: his option that's due in the next few days. But 69 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: so yeah, this was the inevitable conclusion. So Laire was 70 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: almost certainly going to be the guy, you know who 71 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: was going to be moved with Ronnie coming back, and 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: I'm stunned it happened day one of the offseason. The 73 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: return is interesting, which we'll get to in a minute. 74 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, people, hopefully people that listen to that show 75 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: should not be surprised by this. This was always the 76 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: most likely outcome. 77 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's kind of what we said eat 78 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: on that show, Like we did outline other scenarios that 79 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: were possible, but in the end we circle back to, 80 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, training, So Laire is the easiest button to press, basically, 81 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: And you know, this deal is interesting, as we'll get 82 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: into now. I guess you know, in a vacum sous hilario, 83 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: it is considerably better at baseball than Gryffin Canning. So 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: if you just want to look at it that way, Like, 85 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: obviously it doesn't look great through that aspect, but there's 86 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: money involved here. There's a positional crunch here. It's Celaire 87 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: in his remaining twenty six million or so in cash 88 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: over the next two seasons for Canning, who was actually 89 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: in his final arbitration year, which we'll discuss in a second, 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: but just remind people a little bit about this about 91 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, the defense get you already talked about. I 92 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: think Solaire's dh only player. He has been quite good 93 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: the last couple of years as a hitter, Like, he's 94 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: a really good baseball player if he's not playing defense, 95 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: So it is a loss through that aspect, Like would 96 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: it be nice to have a guy like that in 97 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: your lineup every day? Sure it would be, but you 98 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: have to just be practical about it. And that's kind 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: of a fallout here, because again, it's gonna look strange 100 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: if you're not like into every nuance of baseball, if 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: you're just a fan and you know, and I'm not 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: saying you have to be into all this stuff, it's 103 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: gonna look odd for them to do a one for 104 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: one of a player who I think everyone would agree 105 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: is better than the guy they're getting back. That's one 106 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: thing that's complicated about baseball. But in look, we'll get 107 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: to do this now. I guess they're gonna save at 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: least probably seven or eight million this year doing this, 109 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: and it might be thirteen million, but don't know what 110 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: they do with Grippin Canning and then that that might 111 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: be repurposed. It's not a salary cap sport, but they're 112 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: up against the lasery attack all these things. But in 113 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: this return terribly sexy. I would say no. But even 114 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: on that show that we did Stephen, we kind of said, look, 115 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: they're not going to get this a home run return 116 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: for rays Layer like the big thing is. And I 117 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: think it was actually important that we were waited till 118 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: we knew this. I think Marve Bummer reported already, others 119 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: have now. I think since then the Braves were not 120 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: eating any of the salary here. The money is going 121 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: entirely with Horace Hilaire to Los Angeles. And that was 122 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: the question that we had on that show, was like, 123 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: all right, are they have to pay to get off 124 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: of him? 125 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: The answer to that was no, Yeah, I would have 126 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: been surprised if the Braves well, first of all, if 127 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: they'd made a deal with this early and eight money, 128 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 2: you know, I said it. I think I said it 129 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: that night. But as a DH, Solaire is on a 130 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: perfectly fine contract, Like, there's nothing crazy about paying Solaire. 131 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 2: There was some confusion. He's actually paid thirteen million dollars 132 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: over the next two years. He had a signing bonus 133 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: when he signed his first year with San Francisco, which 134 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: cut some of the AAV down. A lot of people 135 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: reporting sixteen it's actually thirteen million, like Brad just said, 136 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: twenty six million over the next two years, which is 137 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: just that's a perfectly reasonable I mean, for a guy 138 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: that considered a middle of your lineup, thirteen million dollars 139 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: is quite honestly, I mean, a pretty favorable contract in 140 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: my opinion. You know, Azuna is gonna make I think 141 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: eighteen million or sixteen or eighteen million on his contract options, 142 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: so thirteen million is fine. I didn't think the Braves 143 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: would have any trouble at least moving the money. I 144 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: was very curious to see if they would get anything 145 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: of note back. Griffin Kanning is a certainly a player 146 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: of note play. I mean, people have heard of him 147 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: he was a high draft pick. I think he was 148 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: a second round pick for the Angels, so like that, 149 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: it's notable. He's got some pedigree, does have some upside, 150 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: it's not just nothing. But yeah, I mean, the Braves 151 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: clearly wanted to get off of this money. They clearly 152 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: wanted to get off of this DH situation, which I 153 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: think is more important than the money. They just didn't 154 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: He just didn't fit the roster anymore, and they really 155 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: didn't fit the roster when they traded for him. They 156 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: just hope his defense would be better than it ended 157 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: up being. So you know, yeah, you're right. I mean, 158 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: just player for player, Soli for Kaneing, the Braves got worse. 159 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: But this is also one of those deals where there's 160 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: gonna be more deals that come as offseason goes where 161 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: this will make a little more sense as the money 162 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: gets that got freed up gets used, or we see 163 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: what their next moves are. This is one of those 164 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: where you don't really want to judge just off of 165 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: this move alone. There's gonna be other moves coming that 166 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: probably make it make more sense. But honestly, for people 167 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: that listen to the show, it shouldn't be that confusing. 168 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: They just didn't have room for Solare and they needed 169 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: to move somebody, and he was the obvious choice. 170 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're big at a nuance and trying to get 171 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: context on the podcast, and that's what we're gonna do. 172 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: It's just one of these lean with that like, hey, 173 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: this might seem weird, it's really not. It's pretty straight ahead. 174 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: And you mentioned this twife now, but I think we 175 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: should just say it's Halloween as we're recording this podcast. 176 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: The world series ended yesterday, literally last night, and what no, 177 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen sixteen, seventeen hours later, they make a trade. 178 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, they can't even sign for agents for four 179 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: more days, and so we were kind of like not 180 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: exactly anticipating a major move today, but you know, Alex 181 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: does well, Alex does. It started to leak a little bit, 182 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: there was a couple of reports, but within what four minutes, 183 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: it was being announced by the team, So it wasn't 184 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: like there was any you know, it's just one of 185 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: those Alex works in the darkness, and immediately they were 186 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: making a move. And we'll talk about Canning kind of 187 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: the fallout in a second, but I mean Horius Hilaire 188 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: just to go back to the context thing. Yes, they 189 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: traded for him, but they traded for him in a 190 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: situation where they were trying to not go all in. 191 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: But I think if you gave Alex troops here, they 192 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: probably knew it wasn't an ideal acquisition when they made it, 193 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: because they knew there was at least some question about 194 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: his defense thought, as you said earlier, and you're right, 195 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: that they quite would be better than it was, but 196 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: he had been dhing previous to that. He was it 197 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: was just a limited option situation where the Braves had 198 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: so many injuries, Akuna, all those things, and they also 199 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: wanted to compete and not you know, let the season 200 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: slip away, and he was the best hitter arguably available 201 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: on the market, so they made that move. But this 202 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: whole cycle, it does seem strange. It's been what three 203 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: months basically since they traded for him at the end 204 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: of July right now at the end of October, and 205 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: they trade for a hero as well, an organizational hero. 206 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: We've all seen the home run of bazillion Tias for 207 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and now he comes in and out 208 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: again in three months, And you know, it's just the 209 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: way things go. I guess at the end of. 210 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: The day, you know, people will debate whether or not 211 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: it was a successful trade. I mean they got him 212 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: for nothing. The Giants salary dumped him and Luke Jackson 213 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: to the Braves and they got a very low level 214 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: prospect in return. They were dumping salary as well. And 215 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: Celaire hit. I mean, he did what he was supposed 216 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: to do. Now you know, of course the defense became 217 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: a big story. 218 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: But no, but he did. Actually, there was actual people 219 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: like that kind of downplaying that I saw today, just 220 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: to have the numbers out there with the Braves, Claire 221 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: hit nine home runs in forty nine games with an 222 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: eight forty nine ops. Yeah, Like he was in very 223 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: clearly about the advertrader with the Braves, Like there was 224 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: no question about that. And it's just that even you know, 225 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: the war, it's kind of funny, not funny's made the 226 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: wrong word, but his uh with but replacement calculation. If 227 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: he had just been dhing, he would have been way 228 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: better in that calculation. It's just that his defense was 229 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: so bad that it dragged it down. But that was 230 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: because of the reason he was the choir was to 231 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: hit to your. 232 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: Point, right, it wasn't his fault that they put him 233 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: in right field. I mean, he did what he was 234 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: brought over to do, which was hit, and that's what 235 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: the Angels just traded for him to do, is to hit. 236 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: I guarantee you he's going to DH most of the time. 237 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: The Angels playing a massive ballpark. There's no chance he's 238 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: playing in that outfield. And so, you know, I actually 239 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: have some questions about the fit with with La, considering 240 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: Trout has dealt with so many injuries. I thought he 241 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: with DH a bunch for them. There's no chance so 242 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: Lara can play in that outfield. I don't I don't 243 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: actually love this deal for the Angels, to be honest, 244 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: if I'm just talking about fit. But this is obviously 245 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: a Braves podcast. But yeah, he hit. And if he 246 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: had been dhing for the Braves this whole time and 247 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: he hit, then people would view this trade very differently. 248 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: It's just because he played in the outfield that people 249 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: have any negative opinions at all of Jorge Hilaire. In 250 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: my opinion, I think he did exactly what he was 251 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: supposed to do. And and I you know, I nothing 252 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: about this surprises me. I hope it doesn't surprise anybody 253 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: who's listened to the show. This all should be very, 254 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: very normal. 255 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: I agree, and we'll dig into the return. And there's 256 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: some interesting nuance that I would say, some uncertainty as 257 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: we record this, so we're recording this podcast on Thursday afternoon, 258 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: is uncertain of what we're gonna do with Gryfin Cannon. 259 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that in more than a second, 260 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: but first to work with our partners on the podcast today. 261 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: All right, Stephen, let's the Scotts Griffin canning a little bit, 262 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: because this is the return for rayse Hilaire. You know, 263 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: he could be a non tender candid as Let's just 264 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: start there. There is a chance that the Braves are 265 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: gonna non tender hit. He is in the final year 266 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: of arbitration. I know, pre trade he was projected by 267 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: MLB trade rumors for about five point one million dollars 268 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: in an arbitration salary. He was not worth that much 269 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: last year. He was worth a lot more than that 270 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: the previous year. So there's a little bit of interesting 271 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: dichotomy there. But the way that I would frame this 272 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: first is this is just me interpreting it from the outside. 273 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: This is not reporting anything. The Braves could have just 274 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: traded so Lair to the Angels for nothing if they 275 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: were going to non tender Griffin Canning. Now they still could. 276 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me, But the Braves didn't have to 277 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: take Gryffin Canning back. It alos like the Angels had 278 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: a reason to trade him because they didn't owe him 279 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: any money. They could have just non tendered in themselves 280 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: and been done with it. So it seems to me, 281 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: based on that indicator that the Braves at least probably 282 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: like Gryffin Canning, or at least see something potentially in 283 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Gryffin Canning. Now that I'm not sure that that's going 284 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: to mean that they're going to offer him, you know, 285 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: the tender. But at the same time, there's some interesting 286 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: stuff here, so we don't have to go super deepond 287 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: Gryman Canning. But he's a guy that you mentioned, like, 288 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: it's not like it's super household day, but it's better 289 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: than Majors for five seasons had a major injury. They 290 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: we'll discuss, but not as zero return, but it potentially 291 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: nuanced one for sure. 292 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, he's thrown about three hundred innings 293 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: in the last two years for the Angels as a starter. 294 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: That's I mean, honestly, just that alone has value. Just 295 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: that you're healthy enough to throw one hundred and fifty, 296 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: you know, average one hundred and fifty innings in the last 297 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: couple of years. You know, he's not a huge stuff 298 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: guy threes about ninety three, ninety four. He actually doesn't 299 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: use his fastball. His best pitches is change up, and 300 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: he throws out a ton. He throws a lot of 301 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: off speed stuff. And you know, there is a move 302 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: in baseball towards less and less fastballs, more and more 303 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: change ups, more off speed. You know, we just watched 304 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: the guy pitch for the Yankees who threw like seventy 305 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: five change ups in a row. So like, this is 306 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: not crazy. The problem for Griffin, the thing that's gonna 307 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: hurt Griffin Canning is he doesn't have any minor league options. 308 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: And it's sounds like a small thing, but that's a 309 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: massive thing when you are a kind of a fringe 310 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: fifth starter. You know, like the Braves have a bunch 311 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: of these like fifth starter candidates, Elder Whinings, you know, 312 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: all the guy you know, all the triple guys, that 313 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: everybody knows and saw that last year. But the difference 314 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: is all those guys had options, and so if they 315 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: didn't pitch well, they could just be sent to Guinet 316 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: and somebody else come came up that that was the 317 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: whole shuttle that happened last year before Spencer Swollenbach came. 318 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: Griffin doesn't have that option. He doesn't have minor league options, 319 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: and so I'm very curious to see what they do. 320 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: You're you're one hundred percent right, And Scott brought that 321 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: up in our in our du in our battery or 322 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: our Hammier territory chat was that they didn't have to 323 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: They could have just sent so Learn to La for nothing. 324 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: And so they obviously like something about him. But unless 325 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: he's gonna also pitch out of the bullpen, which allows 326 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: you to have a little more flexibility having a guy 327 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: as a fifth starter option who doesn't have options, who's 328 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: making real money. Five million dollars is real money, assuming 329 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: that's what it ends up being for the arbitration panel. 330 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: That's tough. It's tough not to be able to do 331 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: anything with him if he's not pitching well. And again, 332 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: if you cut him now, you don't owe him any 333 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: of that money, versus if you wait and put him 334 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: on the roster and then try to dfahim, you owe 335 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: him all of that money. So when you cut him 336 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: matters quite a bit here in terms of savings. And 337 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: if you don't think he's gonna be a real rotation 338 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: candidate for you, you have to make that decision pretty quickly. 339 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: Because some rules have changed about how arbitration gets paid out. 340 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: We're not going to get into all that, but yeah, 341 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: it is a very interesting situation. 342 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe there's a third path where they go 343 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: to Canning and say, all right, you probably are gonna 344 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: get five million dollars as a free agent. How about 345 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: we don't tener you and then we offer you two 346 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: million or whatever it's going to be the or something 347 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: like that too. That's that's a possibility. I'm not sure 348 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: if it's going to happen. Obviously, he's no lualty to Atlanta. 349 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: He's never been here to this point, so it's nuanced. 350 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: But I still think that, like if you just kind 351 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: of do a little bit of tea lea for eating there, 352 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: the brace probably sees something in him and just as 353 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: a quick rundown, like he's mostly been a useful back 354 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: rotation starter when he's been healthy. As he came up 355 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, he was very solid in twenty twenty 356 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: that he had this major back issue. He missed like 357 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: a year and a half with a back issue, which 358 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: is weird. Honestly, when I saw that he missed the season, 359 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: I just assumed its elbowed her shoulder, because that's almost 360 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: every as you know. But it was like, oh, it's 361 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: a back injury. That's interesting. But he's been back for 362 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: two years. He was actually quite good in twenty twenty three, 363 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: like he was worth about two wins, like not even 364 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: you know. He was a good I would say, a 365 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: solid third four starter guy with that kind of level 366 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: pitcher in twenty twenty three. But then this last year 367 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: in twenty four he threw a cur high an innings 368 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: but mostly was not very good in those innings. And 369 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: I was actually reading something by Sam Bloma, the athletic 370 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: who covers the Angels, and basically all of this stuff 371 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: played down, Like his velocity was down this year compared 372 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: to previous years. The k rape spiked in the wrong direction, 373 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: went went way down. You don't love that. He was 374 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: really awful to start games. He god like got seven 375 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: and a half yet r in the first inning, which 376 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: is like just weirdly terrible. And this is a twenty 377 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: eight year old guy, Like he's not you feel like 378 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: it's not he's like thirty six where he's gonna be cooked. 379 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: But but you mentioned the change up, like maybe there's 380 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: something to on earth him, Like how how he uses it? 381 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's he's been with the angels the whole time. 382 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: Maybe the brands are like, aha, we see something in 383 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: this in this picture, and we're gonna we're gonna fix him. 384 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: That's happened before of the Braves. They've done a good 385 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: job with that in the past. But he's not a 386 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: he's not a no brainer to be in rotation your 387 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: points one hundred percent, right, Like they kind of have 388 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: to think that he's a pretty good candidate to be 389 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: the fifth starter to pay him five million dollars or 390 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: that that approximate number. Maybe maybe he's a relief candidate too, 391 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: that's a possibility he does a scream at me reliever 392 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: giving he's not he's not a super hard thrower. But 393 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: maybe that's an idea too, where they Alex is like, 394 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: all right, this is gonna be this is gonna be 395 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: our you know, fifth reliever for next year at five 396 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: million dollars. That's also fine too, but uh, we just 397 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: don't know when Oxid haven't said anything yet. So yeah, 398 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: questions and. 399 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: And and it's listen, it's more complicated when as of 400 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: right now, his his his salary is not guaranteed. But 401 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: if he makes the opening dig roster, his salary is guaranteed. 402 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: So like, it's not a normal situation where you can 403 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: just you know, test him out in April and see 404 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: if he does well, and if he doesn't, then you 405 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: just cut him loose. Like there's a very big difference 406 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: about when that happens. And if he can pitch in 407 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: the bullpen, that does alleviate some of that because it 408 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: gives you more flexibility. If he's not pitching great out 409 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: of the bullpen or out of the rotation, you don't 410 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: have to cut him. You can just move him to 411 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: the bullpen. Like if he can do both, it helps 412 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: a ton to make this decision. But yeah, it is 413 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 2: a weird. It's a way, it's a it's an unusual situation. 414 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: I said on Twitter that I would not be stunned 415 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: if he got DFA. I still stand by that. But 416 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: like you said, they didn't have to add they didn't 417 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: have to include him in this deal at all. They 418 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: obviously like something about him. So yeah, it is a 419 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: it's a it's interesting. I'm very curious see what happens here. 420 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: I n two and I'm sure most people don't like 421 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: let us know how to the end, like yeah, at 422 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: the same time, like I get that too. I just 423 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: think that, you know, if he had guaranteed money and 424 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: it took him back, I would be like, all right, 425 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: the Angels were just making this, make the Braves pay 426 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: this tax to take celet, that would have made sense too, 427 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: Like it wouldn't have been a weird thing that would 428 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: have happened there if it was. If he was guaranteed 429 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: five million, you just keep him around, if he makes 430 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: the team, makes a team whatever. But because there's this 431 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: decision right now where they can they could get off 432 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: that for nothing, right, they have to proactively like him 433 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: to keep. 434 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: Him around, and and no minor league options. 435 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: No minor league options, and maybe you know they are 436 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: probably going to lose Jesse Chavez. We think to retirement. 437 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: He's been a lot, He's been one of their longer 438 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: relievers last year, plus Luke Jackson is a non tender 439 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: candidate I would say likely to be non tendered at 440 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: this point, so they have some relief space if they 441 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: think that there maybe he can do it kind of 442 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: dual role in a way that they haven't really done 443 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: much of in recent years. Like Grant Holmes was kind 444 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: of doing that last year, but out of necessity, like 445 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: he was mostly a reliever and then became a starter 446 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: because they had started Fisher injuries and whatever else. So 447 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: there's a role there maybe for a dual situation. But again, 448 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: he's not like, he's not a flamethrower. He's an Anying 449 00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: Zeter type. 450 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: It seems like yeah, and again, if you want to 451 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: go get guys like that, there are cheaper options than 452 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: five million dollars, like right, you know, guys like Jeffy 453 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: Jesse Chavis signed minor league deals. 454 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's that's why my suspicion is, 455 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: and maybe I'll be wrong, that Alex or somebody in 456 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: the organization is like, we're gonna we have we see 457 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: something that we're going to fix in Griffin Canning, and 458 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: we're buying it. 459 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, they think he's going to be the fifth starter, 460 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: Like yeah, pretty sure. 461 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: Well and you you know this, Steven, But just for listeners, 462 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: you also need more than five starters. There's always this 463 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: world where people talk about wall we already have so 464 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: many starters. I already saw it today from Braves fans, 465 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Well what about Smith Schauv, what about Waldrop? Like, guys, 466 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: there is every every season is an evidence of this, 467 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: like you need nine, ten, eleven starters, Like it's not 468 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: it's not an exaggeration. So and that's also for the Braves. 469 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: They have all of these guys like Smith, schav and 470 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: Waldrip who are really cheap and Schwallenbach is making pennies 471 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: like you could have. You can kind of eat more 472 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: easily afford a five million dollar semi flyer on Gryffin 473 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: Canning because you have three or four five rotation possibilities 474 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: that are all making a million dollars. 475 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 2: Or let's if if Griffin Kanning had a minor league option, 476 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: this is a this is a no brainer. Or if 477 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: Gryffin Kanning's five million was already guaranteed and the Angels 478 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: were just clearing some money, this is a no brainer. 479 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: The fact that it's neither one of those things is. 480 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: It's the only reason this is even a question at all, 481 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: quite honestly. 482 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe we'll learn, like literally again, recording this 483 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: podcast on Halloween afternoon, there's a chance that we get 484 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: reporting where Alex just says something on the record tonight 485 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that's not I mean, so just 486 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: keep in mind. That's why, that's why I could tell 487 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: me when we're recording this podcast, we're trying to get 488 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: you an emergency reaction as big of more information. We'll 489 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: have full coverage on the show, as we always do. 490 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: But this could rectify itself very quickly. Alix could come 491 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: out and say we're tenoring Gryffin Canning. We like Grffin Canning. 492 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: We let that could be one that one area, or 493 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: they say we are not centering Griffin Canning. We don't 494 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: know the answer, and we will at some point. Anything 495 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: else to add Stephen before we signed off on a bizarre, 496 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: strange Halloween two thirty pm Eastern Time, recording. 497 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: This is day This is day one. 498 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: This is day wee one, literally day one of the 499 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: off season, and we had last night. 500 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have our big one of our biggest questions answered, 501 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: and which of the dhs is gonna move and where 502 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: is he gonna move to? So yeah, and I you know, 503 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 2: we've said it like, this is gonna be a very 504 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: interesting offseason on a number of fronts, just because of 505 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: how the season went, the new coaching staff and stuff 506 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 2: like that. So but yeah, day one and we're already underway. 507 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: So hope everybody subscribe because the off season is officially here. 508 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are already underway. I am very thankful that 509 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: we chose to do the DH one Hundrum episode two 510 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: weeks ago and not today, because that would have been 511 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: at least we got a chance to talk it all out. 512 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: I prepared everybody for what was gonna happen, and we 513 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: have the groundwork there. But yeah, we'll have more on 514 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: on this, I'm sure more on Canning, more on you know, 515 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: Fallow et cetera, et cetera, and the future. So please 516 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: go ahead and subscribe. 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