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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ here

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Speaker 1: with a special Move the six podcast episode here today. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be too much of me because we we

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Speaker 1: we always like more Bucky, but a little bit too

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Speaker 1: much of me on this one because had a chance

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Speaker 1: to do my annual conference call before the NFL Scouting Combine, which, UM,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a little bit of a marathon session

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Speaker 1: sent out they ends up finding its way in a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of articles around. But I thought

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Speaker 1: some of these answers. UM. It's it's just draft talk,

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. So, without further ado, here's the annual conference

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Speaker 1: Call UH for the NFL Scouting Combine. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for for jumping on this thing again this year. UM,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a fun draft. Um,

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Speaker 1: getting ready for this combine and just kind of immersing

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Speaker 1: myself in this tape here for the last couple of months. UM,

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Speaker 1: a couple of big picture takeaways. You always start with

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. UM. It's really a fascinating it's a fascinating

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Speaker 1: group because you've got tons of ability with these guys. Um,

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Speaker 1: but there are some question marks kind of uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you begin with Joe Burrow. The best college season that

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Speaker 1: on him. You've got to of with the medical situation.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a phenomenal player. Um, You've got then that next group,

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Speaker 1: in this draft, and consider average thirty one are taken. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We had a max of thirty five taken in Uh.

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Speaker 1: this is a really phenomenal group of white outs. And

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Speaker 1: Thanks again for your time. Our first question comes from

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Speaker 1: and taking McKay. Thank you. Next question comes from David's

426
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Speaker 1: and Garrow with NBC Sports Philadelphia. Hey, Daniel, you mentioned

427
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 1: the wide receiver class. How impressive it is. The Eagles

428
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: are obviously in the market for one. You would think

429
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: this year when when you look at the area they

430
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 1: pick the low twenties, there one which players do you

431
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 1: anticipate will be available and which of those guys kind

432
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: of fits what they do and would make the most sense. Well,

433
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's there's they could use all different styles

434
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Speaker 1: of receivers. When you talk about getting a Z or

435
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: an x UH slot like they, I think they would

436
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 1: prefer to have the speed UM, which is Jerry Judy.

437
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that he will be I mean not

438
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs. I should say Judy will be

439
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: long gone. I assume that that Henry Ruggs will be

440
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 1: long gone as well. UM. But that to me, if

441
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna say home run pick for the Eagles, who

442
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: is it, it's Henry Ruggs. UM, just because of how

443
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: much speed and juice he would give to that offense. UM.

444
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: But I think I think justin Jefferson, UM has got

445
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: a chance to be a high, high volume slot receiver

446
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: who's a lot like Keenan Allen. UM could fill that role.

447
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: He can work in traffic. He's really good down in

448
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: the red zone. UM, he had he led the uh

449
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, he he led this entire draft class with

450
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: touchdowns down in the red zone this year at twelve. So. UM,

451
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: he's a he's a point producer and he'd be a

452
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: great fit for them. UM. I love I love Brandon

453
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 1: I U from Arizona State. I think he's a stud. UM.

454
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: He's tough, competitive, run after catch guy needs a little polish,

455
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: but he can return as well, so has some value

456
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: there um. And then you kind of get into like

457
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: Tee Higgins I think will probably be there um who's

458
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: real tall, long and rangey. You're hoping you're drafting a J.

459
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 1: Green Um. I don't think he's on that level, but

460
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: that's the style with which he plays, Um, so there's

461
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of concern with him just getting

462
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: off press. Some of the better competition that they played

463
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: later in the year, he struggled a little bit with that.

464
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: So I would say that group of wide receivers is

465
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: is probably the ones that will be staring at. Next

466
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: question comes from Date all Rich with acron Beacon jordanal

467
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: Y Daniel thinks for time um looking at the Browns

468
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: at number ten and obviously for offensive tackle, can you

469
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: kind of give I know you've mentioned a few of

470
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 1: the guys and talked about him, but can you kind

471
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: of give your overview for the offensive tackle landscape as

472
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: a as it relates to the Browns and who might

473
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: be the best fit for that outside zone scheme that

474
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: kim AND's de Fancy's bringing. Sure, I mean, I think

475
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: when you look at at Geddrick Wills from Alabama. Um,

476
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: he can really move and he's really good, you know,

477
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: working up to the second level shows some of his

478
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: athleticism there. He's he's a natural knee bender. Um, he's

479
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: good and past protection, he just he doesn't really get

480
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: beat when you study Alabama, and I think he's the

481
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: second best tackle in the draft. I think he could

482
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: plug right in. He played on the right side there

483
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: You've got a left handed quarterback into us, so he

484
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: was really protecting his blind side. I think he could

485
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: play on either side. Um. I think he'd be a

486
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: wonderful fit there. Uh in that scheme. And then when

487
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: you get to you know, Andrew Thomas, I don't know

488
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: that he's a great fit for that scheme, but it's

489
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: a it's an obvious upgrade for him. So I mean

490
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: they could, uh, you know, they could do a lot

491
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: worse than taking him. He'll be a steady, solid player. Again. Um,

492
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: my issue with him is just some of the balanced

493
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: stuff and staying off the ground. Um. You know, the

494
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: the name that I would keep an eye on. I

495
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people that that really like

496
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: Josh Jones from from Houston. I think Austin Jackson is

497
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: going to go ahead of him. I think he's a

498
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: better player and he's somebody that as we go through

499
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: the combine, I think he's gonna test really well and

500
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna start hearing his name mentioned in

501
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: that top fifteen type mix. And if you want somebody

502
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: to fit that offense, I don't know that anybody fits

503
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: it better than him. Um, you know he is, He's

504
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: only twenty years old, he's got great need been he

505
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: can really move latterly. Um, he's gonna get better. You know,

506
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: he donated his bone marrow to his sister over the

507
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: over the off season, so he he lost an offseason

508
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: obviously speaks to what kind of brother he is in

509
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: his character. Um, but lost that offseason. He just needs

510
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: to get physically stronger. But as a twenty year old

511
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: with that type of athletic ability, Uh, the upside is

512
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: really endless. And I think he's somebody that maybe people

513
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: are sleeping on a little bit at this point in time.

514
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: I have a feeling once we come out of the combine, Um,

515
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson would be a name the Cleveland Browns to

516
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on. Thank your next question, coming

517
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: from Zach Goins with Carolina Panthers. Daniel, I know you've

518
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: been a fan of Matt Rule for a long time.

519
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: Why do you believe that he's ploys to have success

520
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: in the NFL with the Panthers And how do you

521
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: see him approaching his first draft? Well, first of all,

522
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: Matt's he's just a leader. I mean, you know, if

523
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna look for what you want in a head coach,

524
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: you want somebody that's gonna that's gonna be a leader. Uh,

525
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna create an environment that's very competitive, and he's

526
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna have a football team that's that's tough and physical.

527
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: And I think when you follow him throughout his career,

528
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: that's followed him so um, you know it. It's it's

529
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: something that he takes time. He doesn't try and bake

530
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: it in the microwave. He takes his time and does

531
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: it the right way. So know, I wouldn't be surprised

532
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: if you saw a lean year, maybe a couple of

533
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: lean years. But he's gonna eventually get all the people

534
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: that that fit in that building. And that's you know,

535
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: from a staffing standpoint to a to a playing standpoint.

536
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: And I think they'll have sustained success. So I was

537
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: happy that, you know, they gave him such a long

538
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: term deal so that he can do it the way

539
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: it needs to be done and do it the right way. Um.

540
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: I just think he's a leader. I think he's a

541
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: leader of men. And I think the Carolina Panthers, you know,

542
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't know they could have made a better higher

543
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: than Matt Rule. And how do you see that him

544
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: approaching the draft this year? Yeah, I mean I think

545
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna see guys with with physicality and toughness. I know.

546
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: You know, Mike Mayock last year talked about with the

547
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: Raiders draft his first draft that he kind of wanted

548
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: to put his mark on it, and he used the

549
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: phrase foundational pieces. And so this is Matt Rule's draft

550
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: to you know, to pick up some foundational pieces and

551
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: how he's gonna build this program. So, um, you know,

552
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: that's that's what I would expect. I would expect it

553
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: will be in his image, which is tough, physical and fast. Um.

554
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: When I went and visited with him at Baylor, Um,

555
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: he talked about track background, the guys that can really

556
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: really run, they're confident in their ability to teach. So

557
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: there might be some guys, especially once we get into

558
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: the middle rounds, maybe uh, you know, going guys will

559
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: go a little bit higher. But if they're tough and

560
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: they're fast, um, and maybe they're not great football players

561
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: right now, they're a little bit raw developmental. I know

562
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: they have a lot of confidence in their group as

563
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: teachers to be able to get it out of them.

564
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: So um, that's kind of the traits I would keep

565
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: an eye on for them. It's just it's finding guys

566
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: that can really really run and really tough. Next question

567
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: comes from Justine wrote Rogers with the Detroit News. Daniel,

568
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to circle back quickly to the Lions at three.

569
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: Based on your your mock and your earlier comments, you seem,

570
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: um pretty set on the idea that Occuda the best choice,

571
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: but on the big board you have Derek Brown a

572
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: few spots higher. Troit's obviously got you know, significant needs

573
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: of both positions there Um, considering the team's gonna put

574
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna be looking for a media conservations with the coach

575
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: and GM on the hot seat, can you can you

576
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: just elaborate a little bit different, a little bit more

577
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: on the choice between Okuda and Brown at at three

578
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: and explain why he went the route you did. Sure, Um,

579
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: I have Derek Brown is to me, I have this

580
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: the the same grade on Derek Brown at his position

581
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: as I do at Chase Young on his position. So

582
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: I think he's a phenomenal player. Um, he's he's the

583
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: closest thing, ironically to and Dominican Sue. Um. Everybody in

584
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Detroit knows quite well. So that that's who you reminded

585
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: me of when you watch him on college tape. Just

586
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: just so strong and powerful. Um. He can really you know,

587
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: punch off blocks, separate, find the ball, make plays. He

588
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: plays really hard. Um. So he's he's outstanding. And I

589
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: think and you plug him in there, um, he would

590
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 1: make it him. You talk about an immediate impact, Oh,

591
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: he'll make an immediate impact on every single down. Um

592
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: as an interior player and okuda, Um, you know, look,

593
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: he's he's somebody that can You're gonna let him just

594
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: press and just mug people at the line of scrimmage.

595
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: He's so long and and twitchy and fluid. Um, he

596
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: can find the ball. Everything I've heard about him from

597
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: a character standpoint is off the charts. I mean, had

598
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that you hear about him in

599
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: the workouts like jumping and it's gonna be less than

600
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: four percent body fat, Like just crazy stuff. Uh. So

601
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: both these guys are are special players and outstanding players.

602
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: I had them going with the corner um just because

603
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I just I thought with Jeff rool Kuda,

604
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: the the the chance for him to come in and

605
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: play coverage, work your defense back to front, fit more

606
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: of the philosophy, you know, if you're gonna kind of

607
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: go by the Patriots and how they've done things and

608
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: make the connection with Patricia kind of building up that

609
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: secondary um, they've kind of they've kind of flipped the script.

610
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: I personally would would go front to back and and

611
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: take the defensive lineman. But I look at the success

612
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: defensively the Patriots have had lately. Uh they've done it

613
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: with more premier players in the secondary than than at

614
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. So uh, that's why I had

615
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: Detroit kind of looking in that direction. Thank you. Our

616
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: next question comes from Kevin Bowen with Daniel, thanks for

617
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: doing this. Um, if you're Chris Ballard with picks thirteen

618
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: and thirty four and forty four, how would you kind

619
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: of handle the quarterback dilemma along with your other needs. Well,

620
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: I would start by signing, um, Philip Rivers, and I

621
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: would try and make a run at this thing for

622
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, because I think they're pretty close. Um.

623
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: I think Philip would come in and give them an upgrade.

624
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: And then I think where you're picking there, Um, you

625
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: know you're picking at thirteen. I think you know, I

626
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: know there's so much depth and I've talked about the

627
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: depth of receiver and I can show you, you know, studies.

628
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: It will show you how many impact players have come

629
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: in the second and third round. Um, and you're gonna

630
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: get good players in those positions. But I'm trying to

631
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: get if I'm if I'm the Colts right there, I'd

632
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: be awfully tempted. If you see a Jerry Judy as

633
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: ceedee Lamb of Henry Ruggs, one of those three guys

634
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: were there, Um, I think I'd go ahead and pull

635
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: the trigger right there. Now you've changed your offense completely.

636
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: You've got a good offensive line. You you pair what

637
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: you have already outside with one of those three receivers. Um.

638
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: You know, with Philip Rivers, I think you've got a

639
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: chance to be a really really uh fun offense to watch.

640
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Then you get into the second round, you know, you

641
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: look at some other directions they could go. UM. You know,

642
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: at that point in time, maybe if if there's a

643
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: quarterback that you like as your developmental quarterback, UM, you

644
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: could look that route, go that route, or you could

645
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: just go with a defensive tackle that could you know,

646
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: that has some real twitch and some upside that can

647
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: rush UM. And I think they'll have some options there

648
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: when you look at guys like you know, like a

649
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Neville Gallamore or somebody like that from Oklahoma would make

650
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: some sense there who's got some twitch and and some

651
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: real interior pass rush ability. UM. I think that Jordan

652
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Elliot's a name that could come into the mix there

653
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: from Missouri. Another guy that can really rush inside. So

654
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: they're in a great spot. You know, I'm just curious

655
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: to see what they do with the quarterback position first

656
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: and foremost, if they if they decide to um, you know,

657
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: stick with Jacoby Brissett and then and one of towards

658
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: the draft at that point in time, you know, gosh,

659
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: Jordan's love. I don't think he's ready to play right away,

660
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: but man, that is a huge upside pick and um,

661
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: you get a chance to to let him develop that

662
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: could have a huge payoff. Thank Your next question comes

663
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: from Matthew Peas with Washington Time. Very I was just

664
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of wondering what makes Chase Young that once in

665
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: a general generational talent, but then also what can he

666
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: do for the rest of the defense? How can he

667
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of unlock the Redskins a defense if that's where

668
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: he goes? Well, I think when you just when you

669
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: watch the watch the last few games of the season,

670
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: you can see the benefit that he has for everybody

671
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: else up front and just creating one on ones. Um,

672
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: He's draws so much attention. And you know, I feel

673
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: like it's interesting because I've used the phrase, you know,

674
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: generational talent, um when when I say that, it's almost

675
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: feels like it gets a slap in the face to

676
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: to what Ohio State's done. Because when you look at

677
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: the Bossa brothers and how good they are, Um, you

678
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: know he's in that, He's in the group with those guys.

679
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: So I do want to clarify that he is he's

680
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: the best player in this draft class. I actually had

681
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: a little bit higher grade on Nick coming out than

682
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Chase Um I had a higher grade on Chase and Joey. Obviously,

683
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Joey has been a you know, he's been a Pro Bowl,

684
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: perennial Pro Bowl player. He's outstanding, but he's he's one

685
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: of those type of guys and the impact he has

686
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: not only is he uh, you know, he's gonna win

687
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: his one on ones when he gets him, but he's

688
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: gonna create so many double and triple teams his way.

689
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be able to to let the other guys

690
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: eat a little bit. So when you can pare him up.

691
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, we look at Washington and Montes Sweat, Montes

692
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Sweat gonna see nothing but one on ones and he's

693
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to have a huge year if

694
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: this is the pairing that ends up coming together. Thank you.

695
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Sam fort Deer with Washington Post. Hey,

696
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: d J, what are your expectations for two of stock

697
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: in the combine and how high do you think he,

698
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: Herbert and Love all three of them could rise between

699
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: now and the draft. Well, I mean with two, it's

700
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: just medical, you know, and it's not his stock is

701
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be impacted by what gets out in the

702
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: media because what gets out in the media is gonna

703
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: get out for a reason. So I don't know that

704
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna know where that's at, but I know that

705
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 1: each individual, teams, doctors, we're gonna get a chance to

706
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: to see him and and and find out what's going

707
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: on there with the hip. And you know, it's just different.

708
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: A hip is different than an ankle on a knee.

709
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: Um it that's what you know. Obviously for good reasons.

710
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Concerns a lot of people. So you're gonna get your doctors,

711
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: get a chance to to see where he's at. He'll

712
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: come to the recheck, UM, get another look at him.

713
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure teams will want to bring him in uh

714
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: and even look at him more there, So UM that

715
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: information I'll be surprised. The only the only reason that

716
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: information will get out is if a team wants to

717
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: get it out hoping that somehow, uh, he would end

718
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: up dropping. So, m that's gonna be interesting to see

719
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: what happens with him on the medical front. I don't

720
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: anticipate we'll get many answers there, but I do think

721
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: provided long term health, there's no concerns. I think teams

722
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: would be okay with if they said he has to

723
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: red shirt for year. He can't play next year. I

724
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: think if you're picking up there and you're you know, Miami,

725
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: the Chargers, you know, Panthers, I know Detroit's even you know,

726
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: considered it, I think if you know that would not

727
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: impact your decision. If they said he wasn't gonna play

728
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: year one, but he would return to full health. I think,

729
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: if you like to uh, that would not bother you

730
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: at all. So, um, that's the question with him, and

731
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: then with you know, with Herbert, I'm you know, that

732
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: one's tricky. Teams, teams are split. There's some teams that

733
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: really like Justin Herbert and there's some teams that are

734
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: not high on Justin Herbert. I I have him, you know,

735
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: just in my personal list kind of down a little bit.

736
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I have him beneath love and I have him kind

737
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: of outside that top ten range. But I think when

738
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: you look at the Chargers having a need there, um,

739
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, five six, seven, you've got Dolphins, Chargers, Panthers.

740
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: That's kind of quarterback alley. I think there's a chance

741
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: we see two of the quarterbacks go and those three picks,

742
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: and I think the third one will go somewhere in

743
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: the next group when you're talking about the the Raiders,

744
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: the Colts in the Bucks twelve fourteen, So you got

745
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback at one. I think we'll see to go

746
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: between five and seven, and I think we'll see one

747
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: go between twelve, thirteen and fourteen. Um. So that's how

748
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: how we kind of see that shaking out. Thank you.

749
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Travis Wingfield with Miami Dolphins. Hey, Daniel,

750
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: we've seen a pretty wide range of price tag to

751
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: trade up for the quarterback into the top portion of

752
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: the first round. You know, the big discrepancy between r

753
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: G three and Sam Donald trades, for instance, How those

754
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: two a tongue of by Loa's medical concern affects the

755
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: possible compensation for a trade up stay into that third

756
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: spot with the Detroit Lions. Well, I think it's it's

757
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: a huge part of it. And it's it's because what

758
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're if you're making the

759
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: gamble to go up there and get him, you're you're

760
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: betting your job. So you better you better know that

761
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: his health is on. And I think if you are,

762
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: if you're on his health and there's concerns there and

763
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: there's major issues. You know, it one thing to take him, um,

764
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: it's another thing to sacrifice a good portion of your

765
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: draft to take him. So I do think that's gonna

766
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: have a major impact. Now if he comes through this

767
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: combine um and comes to the medical recheck and they say, man,

768
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: he's just we have no concerns whatsoever and your medical

769
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: people are fine. Um, I think you'd see, uh, you know,

770
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: a more aggressive compensation, you know for a team trying

771
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: to get up there and get him. So I think

772
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great point. You'll know, you know,

773
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: if a trade does go down, you'll know that, uh,

774
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: that the medical information came back very solid based on

775
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: the return that they get. Thank you. Next question comes

776
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: from Join read with Florida Times Union. Are you doing, Daniel?

777
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Could you talk about just addressing the Jaguard defensive needs

778
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: And in your most draft you had Isaiah Sidings And

779
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: why would you think he would be a good fit

780
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: and you have him at safety and not line back?

781
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: You can those well he can do Yeah, start with him,

782
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, because he can do anything. I mean we

783
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: had the same we had the same debate about Derwin

784
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: James when he was coming out where some teams had

785
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: him as a will linebacker, some teams had him as

786
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: a strong safety. You know, I've talked to a bunch

787
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: of defensive coordinators in the off season and and pose

788
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: this question to them about are we heading are we

789
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna start heading towards a positionless game where you know,

790
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: you see guys on offense like Deebo Samuel who are

791
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: playing in the slot but can also kind of almost

792
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: function as running backs. Um, you see guys like Derwin

793
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: James who could just darn where Darnier play every single

794
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: position on the defense. But when you have offenses trying

795
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: to manipulate personnel and get certain groups on the field

796
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: like the Ravens have done a masterful job of doing,

797
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: where they've got the tight ends that they can put

798
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: you in certain sets and then they can split the

799
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: tight ends out, you better have more versatile players that

800
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: can do multiple things. So with a guy like Isaiah Simmons,

801
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: whether you want to listen as a linebacker or a safety,

802
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: I just know you plug him into that defensive scheme

803
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: and week by week you can deploy him in different

804
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: ways depending on what the strength of your opponent is.

805
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: So that that's why he has so much value and

806
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, putting these guys in little position boxes. UM,

807
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna go away eventually. You're just gonna

808
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: see getting your athletes on the field and deploying them

809
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: in different ways. UM, on a week by week basis.

810
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: When I look at you know, other needs for them.

811
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think you can. You can make a

812
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: strong case in the secondary either either corner or it's safety.

813
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: You know, I think the gut needs both places. So uh,

814
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: finding some some real speed and athleticism in that back end,

815
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: especially when you look at the division and you know,

816
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: when you look at Deshaun Watson and you're gonna be

817
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of speed with that team. Uh

818
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: for the next decade, you better get faster and more

819
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: athletic at especially the second the third level. Thank you.

820
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Tim twenty Man with the front lines.

821
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: Hey didn't Thanks for doing this as always. Uh, when

822
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: you when you look at Okuda and when you put

823
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: a grade on him, where does that grade, um compared

824
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: to some of the other cornerbacks the top in guys

825
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: that have come out and maybe the last half decade

826
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: or so, he's way up there. I was just looking

827
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: at that the other day and the one that I

828
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: had a higher grade on, UM, it was Lattimore. I

829
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: think that that might be the only one. I mean,

830
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: he's he's got I've got a big grade on him,

831
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: and he's he just does everything. He does everything you'd

832
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: want in terms of a size, length, twitch, competitiveness, UM, intelligence,

833
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: ball skills, toughness. I mean he checks all the boxes.

834
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's you know, I would say just

835
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: beneath Lattimore in terms of my college grade over the

836
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: last you know, if I have to go back and

837
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: look at it, but I don't how many years that

838
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: will go back, but it's way up there. And and

839
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: as a player, UM, when you're trying to figure out, Okay,

840
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: who does he remind you of, it's it's Gilmore. It's

841
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: to find Gilmore. When he was coming out of South Carolina,

842
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: he went a little bit later than he should have.

843
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: Obviously defensive player of the year. UM, but we've seen,

844
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: we've seen what type of talent he has, and this

845
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: kid has that type of ability. Thank you. Next question

846
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: comes from Jonas Schaefer with Baltimore Soon. Thanks thanks thanking

847
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: up for doing this. UM, I guess just kind of

848
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: the big question for you. You know, you look at

849
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore in Kansas City, excuse me, Dave uh molded their

850
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: offenses into really powerful forces with great offensive lines and

851
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: then good skill talent around. Uh you know there are

852
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: their top quarterbacks. Just from talking to people, um, team

853
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: officials around the league, do you get a sense for

854
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, whether teams are valuing um skilled position talent

855
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: and offensive line talent anymore than the other and had

856
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: that change at all in recent years? Yeah? I mean

857
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: I was talking to something about this, you know, a

858
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, and I posed a question to

859
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: them and um the personnel director and said, you know,

860
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: tell me all the tell me all the great teams

861
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: with bad offensive lines, and tell me all the bad

862
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: teams with great offensive lines. Like it's at some point

863
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: in time, it's not complicated. The teams with the good

864
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: offensive lines, You've got a high floor every year. It's uh,

865
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep you competitive and it's gonna give you

866
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: a chance to win each and every week. So I

867
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: don't know that offensive line has ever been more important

868
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: than it is right now. Um. When you look at

869
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: the investment with these playoff teams, what they've done in

870
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: the offensive line, it sticks out like a sore thumb,

871
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: So you better invest. And that's you know, that's with

872
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: with high picks, that's with free agents. UM, but you

873
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: need to take care of your offensive line. I think

874
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: that's first and foremost, and then um, you know after that,

875
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: you know you look on the defensive side of the ball,

876
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it's you're trying to find dynamic

877
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: playmakers and the skill talent that's coming in on offense

878
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: is going to continue to get faster and more athletic. Um.

879
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: That's what the college game is and that's made its

880
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: way to the NFL. So you better have linebackers that

881
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: can run all day long and cover, and you better

882
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: have safeties that can be you know, interchangeable, can play high,

883
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: can play low, uh, and can really run and range.

884
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: So uh, I think it's it's it's what has turned

885
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: into it's it's having good offensive line play. You want

886
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: to have a couple of edge rushers and you better

887
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: have speed everywhere else. That's that's kind of how you're

888
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: you're building teams right now. Our next question comes from

889
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: Kyle Martin with Les Vegas Raiders. Hey, Daniel, thanks for

890
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: your time. Um, a lot of mock drafts have said

891
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy to the Raiders at twelve. Others have said,

892
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb. For John Grun's offense, who do you think

893
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: fits his style more? He likes his wide receivers to

894
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: know all the positions. Um, just their knowledge and I

895
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: Q of the game. Who do you think is a

896
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: better fit? Wow? I mean it's tough to answer that

897
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: question because they're there. I have them touching each other

898
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: on my sequence list. There there a little bit different styles,

899
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: but I think both of them would fit beautifully in

900
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: that system. I mean, you know, Jerry Judy, it's just

901
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: what do you value a little bit more? And I

902
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 1: think you can make a case for either guy. Jerry Judy,

903
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a little bit more separation. Um, you're

904
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: gonna get a little bit more route polish, which you

905
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: could say that fits Gruden really well. Um, he's gonna

906
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna primarily play inside. I think he's

907
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a slot um. But then when you when

908
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: you look at Ceedee Lamb, I think you get a

909
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: little bit more of an outside guy. You can play inside,

910
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: but I think i'd I'd like to keep him outside. Um,

911
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get a little more physicality, toughness

912
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: run after catch with him. So he's a little bit

913
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: more of a contested catch player. So if I if

914
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you know, how does it fit with them?

915
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: If you wanted a Z receiver? Um, and then maybe

916
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: somebody could come inside of the slot. I mean, gosh,

917
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: I guess I would. I would lean towards Jerry Judy

918
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 1: on that one. Um. For those for those two two

919
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: factors there, I think I think ceedee lamb Um. I'm

920
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: probably gonna play him outside, but he could he could

921
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: do a little bit of everything as well. Thank you.

922
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Adam Kilgore with Washington Post. Hey, Daniel,

923
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: thanks for doing this. Um, I have a question more

924
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: about the compline itself. UM. You know, with with the

925
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: era football right now, there's so much more information coming

926
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: to these teams. W they're pro football focus, player tracking, etcetera.

927
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: Where where does something so basic like the forty fit

928
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: in the player of valut evaluation now and the draft

929
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: has has this sort of era information change. Um, you

930
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: know what the forty beans the teams as far as

931
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: it's it's part of an evaluation players, well, I'm excited

932
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: that we're starting to see some changes in some of

933
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: the field testing. And I think, you know, the forty,

934
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the value in the forty has been that we've just

935
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: done it for so long that you can compare it,

936
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, going back, you know, forever, to to compare

937
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: players and to to have kind of that marker. UM.

938
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: So that's where the value is. And I think that's

939
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: where the hesitants, uh hesitation is to change. But with

940
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: all the GPS stuff, UM, with the I think it's

941
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: a catapult system that all these NFL teams and and

942
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: uh college teams are incorporating all this GPS. And I

943
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: talked to more guys on the road this year, more

944
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: scouts that when you're going into schools, they're starting to

945
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: get um, you know, top speed, mph, acceleration, deceleration. They're

946
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: starting to collect the data on with these guys, and

947
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna eventually get enough of a of a a

948
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: sample size they're gonna be able to find out what

949
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: really matters there. And I I hope I'm still doing this.

950
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: I hope I'm still up there with with Rich Eisen

951
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: in the booth and we're talking about a guy that

952
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: just ripped off a twenty four mile per hour run

953
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: instead of saying he ran a you know, a four

954
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: four three two or whatever it was. UM, I think

955
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of where it's headed, and we can talk

956
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: about just the explosiveness that they had and UH and

957
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: the ability to decelerate. I think I think that's gonna

958
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: end up being more valuable information. And you know, I'm

959
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned UH with Pro Football Focus too, because

960
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: I think some people think that you're either kind of

961
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: a tape person or your analytics or you want to

962
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: put PF and that that category. I I've I've fersonally

963
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: have really enjoyed being able to incorporate a lot of

964
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: the PF data that they collect with your evaluation. And

965
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: I think, UM, instead of in scouting saying in a

966
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: meeting when you say this guy drops too many balls

967
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: and then you have the information there to say, well

968
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: he's got a twelve percent drop rate, to give actual

969
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: data that's accurate, UM, that is huge UM. And it's

970
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: made scouting way more efficient as well. There's the program

971
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: now where they you can tie in UM. You know,

972
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: the the video that you get the teams get, which

973
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate enough to get that ties in with with

974
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: pro football focused data, so you can watch, you know,

975
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: a guy drops balls, I can watch all of his

976
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: drops for the year. You know, how does a corner

977
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: play the ball in the air. I can watch every

978
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: single target just like that of every time he was

979
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: challenged down the field. But technology has made scouting uh

980
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: so much better. And when you combine the technology, the

981
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: data with groups like PFF and then watching the tape,

982
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: I think that's it's it's really exciting, man. I'm excited

983
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: for where we're scouting is right now and from where

984
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: it's going. Thank you. Next question comes from Alex Byington

985
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: with Montgomery Advice Advertiser. Hey, Daniel, I appreciate this. You

986
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: were just talking about the forty. I want to ask

987
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: you about Henry Ruggs and just you know, your evaluation

988
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: of him overall, and how much do you think an

989
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: impressive showing, you know, uh, record breaking showing even four

990
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: two four to one could could do for his draft

991
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: stock uh next couple of months. Well, um, you know

992
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: everybody's talked about, you know, who will be the first

993
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: receiver taken. Is it gonna be Judy or is it

994
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna be Ceedee? Lamb. I. I actually I firmly believe

995
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs is in that discussion. Um, I think it's

996
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: a three man race to be the first receiver. I

997
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: think he's gonna absolutely fly. Everybody knows it's coming, and

998
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: he's still gonna do it. I think the second number

999
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: will be a two. I don't know what the third

1000
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: number will be. But he's the closest thing to Tyreek

1001
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: Hill that I've seen. Uh. And since Tyree Kill entered

1002
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: the league and just looked like he's been on a

1003
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: different speed than everybody else. Uh, this kid does the

1004
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: same thing. Um. He's he's so sudden off the line

1005
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: of scrimmage it is instant death. UH for corners. He

1006
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: just he's buy him and it's over. Um. You can

1007
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: use him on on the jet sweep stuff, you can

1008
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: kick off or use him on kickoff return. UM. I

1009
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: love watching him as a gunner on punt. It shows

1010
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: just how tough he is. And the thing that nobody

1011
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: talks about. I know that the production for these Alabama kids,

1012
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: it's all somewhat limited because it's the best wide receiver

1013
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: corps that I've ever seen in college football. Because as

1014
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: good as these kids are with Rugs and in uh

1015
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: In Judy. When you watch seventeen, Uh Wattle, who's good?

1016
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: Who wasn't draft eligible? I mean that dude is a freak.

1017
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: He can fly. Uh, Davante Smith, you know a lot

1018
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: of us were surprised he didn't come out. He's he's

1019
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: a burner. They got four legit first round players at

1020
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: the receiver position, so some of the production isn't doesn't

1021
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 1: blow you away. Um, but Ruggs only dropped one ball

1022
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times. When you get these speed guys, um,

1023
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: you've get inconsistent hands. This kid's got great hands and

1024
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: he can fly. Now, he's not as nearly as polished.

1025
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: Um when you're talking about his teammate and Jerry Judy

1026
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: as a route runner. But I'm willing to bet if

1027
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: you pulled if you went and pulled the thirty two

1028
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators in the NFL and you gave him the

1029
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: video of the top three receivers and said, which one

1030
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: of these guys do you not want in your division,

1031
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to I'd be willing to bet a

1032
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: lot of money that Henry Ruggs would get the most votes. Uh,

1033
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: that's the guy that you do not want to face.

1034
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: And that's why I believe it's not over off who's

1035
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: going to be the first receiver. It's not a two

1036
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: man race, is a three man race. Next question comes

1037
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: from Jewelry Epstein with the USA Today. Andy Daniel, thanks

1038
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: again period time. I wanted to go back to the

1039
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: idea of new coaches, like you have spoke about that world.

1040
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: When you look at Mike McCarthy coming to Dallas, how

1041
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: much do you anticipate a new coach changing the Cowboys

1042
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: draft styles from what we've seen in the past five

1043
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: or ten years. Yeah, I don't know that it will.

1044
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that it will have uh that much

1045
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: of an impact on on the draft in terms of

1046
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do draftwise there. Um. I think

1047
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things that he believes in

1048
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: um and what they had success with there in Green Bay.

1049
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is in place there

1050
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: with Dallas. I think Dallas done a good job um,

1051
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, identifying and collecting talent um. You know, I

1052
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: would say, you know, run after catch has always been

1053
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: a big part of the receiving corps UM, and I

1054
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: think depending on what happens with Amari Cooper, you know,

1055
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: trying to find somebody that can run after catch. They've

1056
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: always valued guys that could return, uh in Green Bay.

1057
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Speaker 1: That's kind of there. You know, that goes back to

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Speaker 1: Ted Thompson, you know, finding receivers that have return skills. UM.

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Speaker 1: So like a guy that a great fit in that

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Speaker 1: offense would be a guy like Van Jefferson from Florida.

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Speaker 1: Um as a receiver who's I compared him to Cooper Cup. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's just a really polished route runner with strong hands.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh he's another one. Got another one of

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Speaker 1: these guys. It's a gun run punt so another tough kid, um,

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Speaker 1: but really good after the catch. kJ Hill would be

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Speaker 1: another receiver m who's just a really crisp route runner

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Speaker 1: and uh and just really good after the catch guy.

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Speaker 1: So um, those those types of receivers I think would

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Speaker 1: make sense with with what McCartney has had success with. Well,

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Speaker 1: there you go, everybody. Hopefully you've got a chance to

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Speaker 1: uh get something out of that. A lot of questions

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Speaker 1: being fired from all over the country. UM, different teams,

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Speaker 1: different players. Um, it's it's a nice It's nice for me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I played goalie when I get a

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Speaker 1: chance to do these conference calls, trying to just keep

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Speaker 1: the puck out of the net um and try and

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Speaker 1: handle all these questions. But I enjoyed talking. Draft is

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Speaker 1: what we do on this podcast. UM. Hopefully you enjoyed that, UM,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back again. I'll be back with my

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Speaker 1: with my partner Bucky on the next episode as we

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Speaker 1: continue to march towards the Scouting Combine and the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. To move the sticks, We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: The APCO to move to put the d